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5 features the next console generation needs

The next console generation is right around the corner, and rumors are piling high. Now, will the next generation deliver, or be completely unprepared? Danny Luksa of ButtonMasher.tv looks at a list of five things that the next console generation needs in order to succeed.

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gypsygib4448d ago

If next gen consoles support 4k expect the games to look like 4k PS2 games.

Gaming1014447d ago

You would need a massive tv to see the difference between 1080P and 4K, and especially 8K, this will only be pertinent for people with 60 inch plus TV's

T9004447d ago

The author of the article is a complete moron. He has no idea how tech works.

He wants:

Multicore tech support - I agree

High density disc - I agree

4K Support- Hes delusional if he thinks 4K support is needed. He himself said its rendering at 2x of 1080p, where will the power come from?

Revised graphics- Now to point out why the author has no idea about tech. Sure you can push the GPUs to 925mhz however with the restrictive space in a console this is likely to cause a melt down. Also imagine how much power that will require. Lastly what i find most retarded, he wants to increase memory bandwidth to only 70gb/s lol, Even to run 1080p properly i would think 70GB/S should be the bare minimum. If he thinks consoles should support 4k and then only come with 70GB of memory bandwidth that will just be a joke lol, Its going to choke any game running at that res. Not to mention 1G of memory is sometimes hardly sufficient of 1080p gameplay. For 4k i would think they would atleast need 2GB of video ram.

Increased Storage - I agree

Overall the author is probably a console gamer who has little to no knowledge of how tech works. Imo he should read into PC related articles on how stuff works before making such articles.

hakis864446d ago (Edited 4446d ago )

Come on, the article says 4K VIDEO support.. not 4K games.
I have hopes for 4K video support, 1080p games at 60FPS and of course they need a lot of cores to make this happen.

It will be interesting to see which GPU solution they end up with. I mean if they put in something equivalent to an i7, the CPU part is more than powerful enough, it would really depend on amount (and speed) of RAM and how many cores/how powerful the GPU part will be.

SignifiedSix4447d ago

I'm pretty sure next gen consoles wont be able to support games in 4k. Movies, yes. Games? Hell no.
The most we'll get is 1080p at 30-60 FPS at max wich is good enough for me!

gamingdroid4447d ago (Edited 4447d ago )

It doesn't make sense to support anything higher than 1080p. In fact it would be idiotic to plan for anything above that.

HD alone doesn't have that high of a penetration yet, let alone anything higher.

This article is full of sh!t.

hakis864446d ago

@gamingdroid

I can see your point, however when they decided to support 1080p there were ZERO HDTV's out there...almost. And just look now. Millions of TV's sold every year.

So I have to disagree with you, people will buy 4K displays, just like 10million people will probably buy "the New iPad" this year, just because of higher resolution.

tee_bag2424446d ago

Sure people will buy 4k TV's, but historically people don't upgrade their home theatre/TV at the same speed of each generation of consoles.

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sorceror1714447d ago

The article claims "The average PC gamer is running 8-cores". What CPU are they talking about? The i7-Core (pretty much top of Intel's line until Ivy Bridge comes out in a couple months) only has 4 real cores, and can 'fake' 8 with Hyperthreading. And that's on the pricey side.

A gaming PC with all the hardware the article talks about would cost well over US$2K. Even with volume and economies of scale... Sony and Microsoft would be losing hundreds of dollars, minimum, even if they introduced them at $600 again.

QuodEratDemonstrandm4447d ago

I have four little syllables for you....

Quad-core cell phones

Google the Samsung Galaxy S3.

sorceror1714447d ago

Smartphones are PCs now? I really *am* behind the curve, silly me.

ThanatosDMC4447d ago

I'm getting that on April when my crappy contract is up. T-mobile better support it.

Nicaragua4446d ago

Phones is not a single syllable.

QuodEratDemonstrandm4446d ago

Apparently, sorceror, you haven't noticed the cell phones catching up with the desktop computers, both in terms of processing power and graphics.

Nicaragua, grab a dictionary and look up syllable before you embarrass yourself..... oh wait.

Thanatos, if T-Mobile doesn't have that specific phone, there will be a quad core by summer.

Consoldtobots4446d ago (Edited 4446d ago )

smartphones are a joke until they solve the battery problem. Browse the internet or watch a video and your battery is already at 50%.

and thats with single core phones, how long does a quad core last? past the startup splash screen?

Game3s4446d ago

A smartphones might have a quad core but a very weak quad cores(arm processors), the quad core in PCs are the real deal if they were to put it in a smartphone the battery life would probable be 1/2 a hour if your lucky as well as the heat it would generate would melt the phone.

sorceror1714446d ago

Oh, QED. It's looking like four-core phones were a fad: http://hardware.slashdot.or...

sorceror1714445d ago

One more data point, just for fun: http://store.steampowered.c...

According to Valve, less than half of the PCs in their survey were even at 4 cores. 8 cores is almost invisible on the graph.

QuodEratDemonstrandm4445d ago

@sorceror

Bear with me here. This is some pretty hardcore logic.
The Samsung Galaxy S3 is a quad core cell phone.
This indicates that Samsung has made a cell phone CPU with four cores.
If something has already been done, then it's a foregone conclusion that it is, in fact, possible.

OK, ready? I'm about to make a leap. It's probably a little bigger than the baby steps you're used to.

If 4 cores can be done in a cell phone, then a video game console can manage 8 cores.

Oh and here's another data point for you. 64-core processors are commercially available.
http://www.google.com/searc...

Maybe next time you'll take the time to discern what someone is saying before shooting off an irrelevant reply.

sorceror1714445d ago

QED, you don't seem to be grasping what *I* was saying. I was pointing out that the article was incorrect when it stated that "The average PC gamer is running 8-cores". That is simply not true, given any rational definition of 'average'.

Now, an 8-core console is indeed *possible*. My *other* point was that it's not possible for it to be *cost-effective*.

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denawayne4447d ago

This article fails on so many levels

Skynetone4447d ago

ps3/360 320gb hd This is plenty of storage for just game saves, lol

and with the average pc having 8 cores, lol

hes talking like 4k/8k is the norm

sure we will all go 4k/8k in the future but theres no way next gen consoles will be supporting these resolutions in a gaming environment, unless its pac man or something

mamotte4447d ago

Agree. Next consoles need 16gb of ram, 10 core processors, 4 tb of disc, 2,5 gb of GPU, and a resolution of 8k in 3D. It needs to cost 250 dollars, too.

Now, to end the sarcasm, there's a thing I want in next gen consoles: stability. I dont want fo fear a RROD or a YLOD. What worries me the most, is the fact the it looks like: more power = more failure. The underpowered Wii doesnt suffer a blue line of death...

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Why Xbox believes it must cut costs and close studios

Companies, particularly public companies like Microsoft, need to grow.

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gold_drake16h ago

i mean its pretty simple, they spent close to 30 billion in acquiring activision, they thought they'd make it bk no problem, and that didnt happen.

its just shit that because of MS's miscalculation alot of people lost their jobs.

Jingsing13h ago

This is exactly what many people said would happen including the CMA and FTC. Lies lies and more lies and they allowed a $69 billion buy out to happen.

gold_drake12h ago

oh yeh it was 70 billion. that was my bad haha even worse.

thesoftware73012h ago(Edited 12h ago)

gold,

You can't be serious, right?

Do you think that MS thought they would make 80bill in a year & Half? They haven't even released titles under MS yet, lol.

But in fact, that A/B revenue is already paying off, look at the last earnings call. That $80 billion is long-term money, my guy, no sane person/company would think they would make that back in any short-term situation, it's a long-term investment.

Let's play silly then. If MS's reason for laying off staff and closing studios was due(which it really was not) to the A/B deal, tell me what Sony's reason was for past studio closures, the recent 900-person layoffs, closing Sony London, shutting down Dreams, and closing Japan Studio? Zipper? Psygnosis? cuts at all their internal studios.

Keep in mind, you are claiming MS's reason is because of the A/B deal; please explain Sony's reason.

Hofstaderman12h ago

You actually still defending them? Sheesh.....

gold_drake12h ago

this is not a sony vs MS debate. dont make it something it isnt.

and of course not, but im pretty sure they thought they'd make more money after the deal. they didnt, and closed off some studios.

its pretty insane to think there is any other reason for the closure of studios in this case.

romulus2312h ago(Edited 12h ago)

(It really was) due to the Activision Blizzard deal and the loss of physical sales due to gamepass. You keep bringing up Sony in all your posts about this, stop deflecting and trying to change the topic, this is about MS and what they are doing.

BehindTheRows12h ago

Has nothing to do with Sony. Stay on topic.

notachance12h ago

once in a while you see someone too invested in their make-believe console war that everything happened has to be connected to said war…

a bit of banter between fans is normal, this crusade you’re doing now isn’t.

Chevalier11h ago

Wow idiotic. You bring up very old closures not that there haven't been recent ones from Playstations, but, seriously stop deflecting. This has NOTHING to do with Playstation.

Does Playstation got $3 trillion behind them and daddies wallet? No they don't so stop making a fool of yourself.

Xbox has never been profitable really and they just keep losing money so between their worst hardware sales, terrible 3rd party sales and now terrible 1st party sales.

Gamepass numbers that are no longer being announced shows their numbers after 3 years of missed targets has flatlined. Plus their recent gains up to 34 million were ONLY because they folded Gold members in too. Absolutely take your idiotic rhetoric out of here. Keep on topic without deflecting.

S2Killinit11h ago

Ayayayay with these xbox/MS excuses.

Reaper22_6h ago

How dare you mention Sony! Everyone here knows when Sony closes a studio and lay off workers it was the right thing to do. Even when they bought Gaikai and fired almost everyone it was the right thing to do.

Gamers can be such hypocrites sometimes.

andy855h ago

Is it? That's revenue not profit. Completely different.

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thesoftware73010h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Drake,

"this is not a sony vs MS debate. dont make it something it isnt."

You are correct that it's not an MS Vs Sony Topic, but when exaggeration and imagination mix from a one-sided social group, similar examples are needed to ground radical thoughts; in this instance, the example was that shutting down 3,4,5, even 6 studios during a restructure/ buyout/acquisition is not some anomaly(it can suck) that has to be dissected or spell doom and gloom.

"But I'm pretty sure they thought they'd make more money after the deal. They didn't, and they closed off some studios."

But they did make more money, a lot, actually; the last earnings call showed a huge growth in profit, almost all due to A/B revenue.

"its pretty insane to think there is any other reason for the closure of studios in this case."

The fact that they did make money, kinda throws this out the window, and besides, you don't wake up and say, hey let's close a studio, you look at the output, you look at the dev as a whole, the long term and short term, you weigh it against all other studios and goals, you keep key members, ect..then you close if they are the weakest links...which by MS analysis they were.

Again, I will make a small Sony comparison, just so some of you can understand and see past the bias; Insomniac, ND, and Bungie have made some of the best games ever created, yet Sony saw fit to cut jobs in every of these studios, even tho Insomniac & ND are the biggest producers of PS games, leagues ahead better than Tango and Arkane, yet, they saw cuts, mind you, while being the TOP produces of PS first party. They were told to cut costs, and more jobs may be on the line, and Bungie is being threatened by a hostile Sony takeover. Put that in perspective, as I know that layoffs and dev closures are different, but if the best of the best is getting cut off, it is less than surprising, that lesser studios are closing.

@Cheva,
My response fits well with your comments as well. You even went on to prove that the dev closures are not just due to A/B acquisition. Then you point out Sony has less money than MS, inferring that MS should keep devs open that they see as lesser earners, while Sony having less money makes it okay to close them. lol...it doesn't work that way.

gold_drake10h ago

im not reading all of that. u have ur opinion, i have mine.

thats rly it.

but this aint sony vs ms.

ApocalypseShadow9h ago

You're trying to compare a 100 billion company to a company that has 3 TRILLION worth. SIE has to live or die on their own. And in turn, PlayStation has helped the main company again and again. Sony has to balance out what is working and not working in the company.

While Xbox has Daddy Warbucks footing the bill to keep the platform afloat. They have been bleeding money from Nvidia hardware in the OG Xbox, the RROD fiasco, the attempted 2013 DRM nonsense and the lies about being the most powerful console in the world and the losses of paying out millions to prop up a service hoping it catches on with enough subscribers to justify its existence.

They're not comparable if Xbox isn't allowed to live or die by its actions. It's subsidized. Revenue isn't profit. And if they were profiting on their own, they wouldn't be closing developers. If they were profiting, they wouldn't need Daddy Warbucks spending 80 to 100 billion buying up 3rd party publishers to sustain a loss leading platform.

They stopped announcing game sales, stopped announcing hardware sales, stopped announcing game pass subscribers, they are putting games on their competitors platforms but you're telling us that they are doing great even after killing jobs and closing developers at Xbox.

Stop drinking the Kool aid. You're drunk.

Chevalier24m ago

Again at which point did Playstation have a $3 trillion company shift the market with a giant purchase?

"But they did make more money, a lot, actually; the last earnings call showed a huge growth in profit, almost all due to A/B revenue."

Lol. No they didn't. Increased revenue was ONLY due to adding Activision Blizzard revenue in. Growth was only 1 percent. It's idiots like you that have no idea what they're talking about is why Xbox isn't better than it is. You guys just make excuses continually.

If Xbox got so much profit then why did they stop announcing hardware numbers? Why did they stop announcing Gamepass numbers? Oh right because they're NOT profitable. Their sales in every category has dropped off the face of the planet. It's why Spencer will be closing more studios and canceling upcoming projects too.

WelkinCole5h ago

I am pretty sure MS knew this would happen and this was part of their plan. I mean if anyone with half a brain can see this happening I am pretty sure a multi billion company like MS knew this would happen

The whole strategy in buying Beth and Acti/Blizzard is for

1. Buy established games they can have under xbox because they have done a horrible job in building their portfolio internally for the past 15 years

2. Following from 1, try and boost xbox competitivenss against a dominat PS which MS after 3 tries still can't crack

3. Follolwing from 2, try and weaken Playstation dominance by taking out these massive multiplats from the PS

4. Following from 3, try and profit off from the PS domiance with selected games they will still have on the PS to make money like COD

5. Obviously get the IP's by buying them instead of creating them which again as I mentioned in number 1 they have been woeful in doing

None of these had anyting to do with keeping all the devs they accuried. MS has always been very shitty to Devs under them. Look at what happned to Bungie for example.

I believe MS in court truely mean it when they said they had to do something because PS was just too dominant. This was their last roll of the dice.

And from the looks of things. It has not panned out as MS had hoped. PS5 is still as dominant as ever and xbox is still behind. Worse still their MP's they got is not irreplaceable as they thought. Starfield? lol!. There have not been any major shift in momentum in this console war in their favor so now its time to start cutting their loses and it starts with the most expensive cost for any company. People.

Michiel19893h ago

for a comparison, sony laid of a bigger % of it's staff this year than ms, it's what companies sadly do nowadays. If you think with GP and Bethesda + acti aquisition they were looking for quick cash, you couldn't be more wrong. It hasn't even been a year, "they thought they'd make it bk no problem, and that didnt happen." shows you have 0 understanding of how a business operates.

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anast13h ago

They are going to use AI for a large portion of the game development process. Upper management need bonuses and the shareholders need more money. So, people will lose their jobs.

Skuletor12h ago

Maybe they were already using AI to make business decisions, which would explain why they closed Hi-Fi Rush's studio, then said they need more games like Hi-Fi Rush not long after that announcement.

Crows9012h ago(Edited 12h ago)

They shouldn't have bought any studios. Some is okay...but they went on a shopping spree...stupid

Einhander197211h ago

The better question is why did Microsoft buy publishers for a service they were subsidizing they knew couldn't support.

And why are so many websites trying to make people feel sorry for Microsoft instead of truly criticizing the fact they are closing studios and killing jobs that would have been fine if Microsoft themselves hadn't gotten involved.

Quit feeling sorry for Microsoft and start feeling sorry for the industry and the all the gamers who are actually losing out.

THIS IS MICROSOFTS FAULT.

RNTody11h ago

The first thing that happens after any major acquisition or merger is a consolidation of the whole new portfolio, which includes cutting any excess, bloat or portfolios that don't fit the larger MO of the big boy. So far, it's been par for the course with Microsoft and that's why gamers have been so against this acquisition. Tango Gameworks is the beginning. You think Microsoft wants to pay to keep small timers like Ninja Theory in business?

There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest that Microsoft will improve any of these studios, but plenty to suggest that they will get rid of what they don't need and hold onto the IP. The real agenda of the acquisition was always to acquire The Elder Scrolls, Diablo, Fallout, Call of Duty, Candy Crush etc. that will create millions in passive revenue stream for Microsoft regardless of where the games release. Microsoft simply wants their cut.

Because of Games Pass Microsoft has no interest in investing in new IP which is risky and requires creative talent they can neither nurture nor manage. Game Pass has also not grown in the way Microsoft expected it to, even post acquisitions. Therefore the logical thing to do, without serious money makers to release, is to cut as much cost as possible.

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10 of the best Kirby games ever made

NE: "Kirby's been on more than a handful of adventures, and we've gathered a list of 10 of the best Kirby games here."

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Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night DLC Adds Free Gameplay Modes

Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night has received a bunch of new DLC, including two new gameplay modes, for free.