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Microsoft's Kinect Launch Lineup Reveals Imitation, Not Innovation

Ex: Earlier this evening USA Today officially broke the news (which as of this writing has been pulled from USA Today's Game Hunters section) that Microsoft's Project Natal's final name is Kinect. Most likely a play on the words 'connect' and 'kinetic,' the Xbox 360 peripheral is expected to make an impact with its controller-free, motion sensing technology.

Then why is it so easy to draw parallels to the Wii when analyzing the Kinect launch lineup?

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Sunny_D5496d ago (Edited 5496d ago )

So true. So true. Same thing with the MOVE. Motion controls are jsut a gimmick trying to copy Nintendo's style.

-Alpha5496d ago (Edited 5496d ago )

But even MOVE is imitating Wii Games. These games are expected to demonstrate the technology. They are easy to make and demonstrate the concept and use of the product in a way that everyone can relate to. That's why they exist. However, I surely expect more to come out of the products.

I don't like articles like this that try to start unnecessary controversy. People shouldn't be surprised seeing these early demo titles. The title of this article makes it sound as if Kinect has to be either innovative or imitative. Frankly the word "innovative" gets tossed around way too much for my liking, but the point is that these titles are completely expected and the title makes it sound like Imitation or Innovation are the only options. So either do something that gamers have never seen or GTFO? I hope no one has endorsed that attitude. I know MS tried to hype it as innovative but that's like believing Sony's PS3 really does "Everything". I have expectations for Kinect but I'm not going to deem it a failure if it doesn't "innovate" gaming, especially based off these demo titles. What kind of journalism does that? The idea is to see the technology and to build off of it. You can't expect complex games to form. Even Socom 4 isn't using MOVE exclusively, we've yet to see a game use the features of motion control more exclusively and we shouldn't today. The following week will change all of that.

I would withhold judgment until the 17th when MS reveals everything else about Kinect.

Remember, tomorrow is not about Kinect at all, just the 360. There is a separate day for Kinect.

deadreckoning6665496d ago (Edited 5496d ago )

@Alpha- Bubbles up!

@sunnyd- LOL at ur stealth edit dude.

Aquanox5496d ago (Edited 5496d ago )

He's jealous because he wasn't invited to Kinect conference.

Watch the damn live blogs and know there's a lot of stuff apart from what LA Times revealed. Double vader's light saber included =)

Conloles5496d ago

Anyone who honestly thought these were gonna be for the hardcore market is delusional, these are such a blatant cash grab for the casual market. I'm pretty disappointed as now we're going to see hardly any hardcore games.

jack_burt0n5496d ago (Edited 5496d ago )

@alpha

"I would withhold judgment until the 17th when MS reveals everything else about Kinect. "

The natal conference just finished.

@alpha
LOL thats the broadcast of the jungle circus show which just finished.

-Alpha5496d ago (Edited 5496d ago )

@jack

No, it didn't. This was a private viewing: http://www.e3expo.com/

Look at the right side. They actually changed it, but now it seems Kinect's conference is going to be Tuesday, and today (Monday) will be about the Xbox.

@Conloles

First of all, I just understood your name. Consoles= Con"lol"es. Clever.

Second, motion controls are not going to take over traditional gaming. I do not for a second think a majority will adopt motion controls. As for hardcore games, what makes us so hardcore? Is it the fact that we play complex shooters? RPGs? I mean, I enjoy the Sims, Flower, Rock Band, etc. but apparently these are casual games. I don't care about calling myself a hardcore gamer. I don't care if Move or Natal doesn't have hardcore games. I just want what is appealing to me, and if something appeals to me then I will be interested in purchasing it.

ARBitrator5496d ago

Can anyone name ANY video game that doesn't draw a parallel form something else that they have hear or seen. What is this guy's point, he sound like a crybaby little biotch looking for something to draw hits to his site.

Overall, this article was lame to me.

Bnet3435496d ago

good read alpha male, you'll have 10 bubbles while we all have 4 lol. very good points man.

beardpapa5496d ago

well the guy writing the article is talking about the games MS is pairing with the Kinect.

He's not really saying the device itself is imitation, but that the presented games are really just stuff that the Wii already has and not games that really reflect the potential of the device.

The same can be said about the Move, but hey at least Move showed RE5 and Socom can be done. MS just has to show us that a non-casual game can be done on the Kinect.

-Alpha5496d ago (Edited 5496d ago )

Sony really didn't show anything exclusive about Move technology. I mean, even the Wii can do the Resident Evil and Socom motion that Sony demonstrated. Would you really notice the difference of the motion technology? This was thrown out just to show hardcore gamers they have Sony's support. I'm still waiting for the games to focus entirely on Move's technology. This was very easy for Sony to do and once they did it it allowed people to ask "Where's Natal's hardcore support?" Smart move by Sony (do I even need to tell you I'm making the pun purposely?) Sony revealed Socom with MOVE a long time ago but I didn't need to see it to know it could be done. I of course wasn't expecting to see complex uses of MOVE all those months ago, but of course, what better way to feed the war than to show a hardcore game with motion support. It was a clever move, regardless of Sony did it intentionally.

Most of what we saw from MOVE focused around those games that no one wants and from what this article is complaining about-- Wii Sports games, that are purposely designed for ease of demonstration purposes. Sony even used that mature fighting game, but again, it doesn't show anything about hardcore games, just outlines, very simply, the technology behind the motion. That's all MS is doing here. Frankly I think the problem is that MS has shown the technology all year and at this point people just want to see the actual retail games.

EVILDEAD3605496d ago (Edited 5496d ago )

All year BOTH Move and Natal showed NO innovation.but now it's an issue because of the launch games?

The Natal approach was smart..show the red balls again and again..get bashed by the haters..and watch them huddle by their computer as the news rolls in

Move showed nothing that hasnt been done on the Wii..ever..Sony is just donig something that the Wii can't which is bring better graphics and control..

But Games..ALL have been done on the Wii..
Every demo has been a game from Wii Sports and Wii Sports resort..

They say it appeals to hardcore..but they showed a light gun game..but can they top House of dead Overkill on the Wii?

They use what was a really cool Game Trailers dedut in Socom 4..

But the Wii has been doing shooters forever..
Metroid Prime..like 3 Call of Dutys..Medal of Honer..Conduit..

Hell people sleep on the fact that it was the PS2 using Guncon with the pretty cheesy Redsident Evil: Dead Aim games that tried to innovate the FPS shooter with aiming techniques..

I've said it from day one..Move and Natal need to do exactly what the Wii did to be successful..pack-in a bowling game and some other mini-sports that the family can enjoy in the holidays and show off to other people..and watch the sales pour in.

The author of the article obviously doesnt know much about the games..because there really hasnt been a volleyball game where you set and hit like you would in real life..I honestly think that's a great one..on paper (watch it suck..hard in real life though)

I salute what both Sony and Microsft are doing..but don't sleep on the giant wall of games that the Wii has at your local gamestop..because they have done it all with motion controls ad nauseum..but the differences will ANY of the new motion controllers have a game like Zelda, Mario, or the new Metroid..

That what makes this gen so special..you got so many choices..for fans of ALL systems

Evil

Dark_king5496d ago (Edited 5496d ago )

well technical the boxing game is just a move game alpha.Then Socom may use both controller or the move with Zipper stating move players had an advantage over DS3 players.But the game I am waiting to hear have Move support is elder scrolls.Cloud got me excited thinking about using it for a game like that.Actully controlling your sword and shield,using voice commands to cast spells.Just got to love the possibilities.And of course any hard core natal game is not going to be ready to show yet.It takes years to make those games and they haven't had that long yet.Actually they probably haven't had six whole months with the final build specs to work with. originally the cam was suppose to do all its own processing when that changed so to would any game counting on using the 360 processor to its fullest.Better games will come,it just takes time to make them.

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niceguywii605496d ago (Edited 5496d ago )

"Lame
The author has no idea what's really going on over there.
Who?Disagree(2)Agree(0)Nike | 18m ago"

examiner.com is suddenly PS3 fanboys favorite site again?

Blaze9295496d ago (Edited 5496d ago )

examiner.com for ya. Quick, someone turn the event into a tweet so they can understand what's going on.

killyourfm5496d ago

Take a look at my article list and you'll see tons of pro-360 coverage.It's an opinion piece folks, everyone has them.

Nike5496d ago (Edited 5496d ago )

All you did was look at an ad and summarize that MS is imitating the Wii with Kinect.

No mention of video chat. No mention of Star Wars or Disney. No mention of Track and Field. No mention about the yoga and Tai Chi. No mention about what was actually happening on the floor. You just looked at every one else's rumours and decide to paste your own condescending opinion about it.

If I sound bitter, it's because I find it sad how Examiner's abuse of reporting tweets as news stories caused a legit Tweet feed by a journalist who snuck into and took pics of the event to get failed, while this tripe got passed.

It's not about you being pro-Microsoft or pro-Sony. It's about you being a complete and utter tabloidist only looking to stir controversy for the greatest number of views, passing quick judgement for the sake of some short-term hits.

@Parapraxis: Look at the statement that completes the paragraph -

"You just looked at every one else's rumours and decide to paste your own condescending opinion about it."

We all know MS's strategy for appealing to the casuals with their games, and it's obvious they'd imitate the Wii's library of instant hits. The issue is this guy's reporting. I highly doubt this guy went any where near those demos and tried them out. I'm questioning his credibility and urge to stir controversy just for the sake of N4G hits. That's obvious in the omitted details - you'd think some one who was actually there would mention light saber dueling with Darth Vader in Star Wars.

Parapraxis5496d ago (Edited 5496d ago )

"No mention of video chat. No mention of Star Wars or Disney. No mention of Track and Field. No mention about the yoga and Tai Chi."
MS is imitating the Wii with Kinect, if you don't realize this...wow.

http://yfrog.com/0y79qhj

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pain777pas5496d ago

Remember the Wii is a response to the eyetoy and that was Sony's baby though I can say that Nintendo is the most successful and will remain the most success full unless Move has a hardcore shooter/horror game that makes use of all the tech. Kinect seems to smell of fail but I want Kameo to succeed so I might get this thing at somepoint at a much lower price point.

Parapraxis5496d ago

So all casual games.
Awesome =D

MostJadedGamer5496d ago

Casual, and Non gamers already got a Wii, and are not going to buy another motion control console while hardcore gamers are not going to touch this crap with a 10 foot pole.

RememberThe3575496d ago

I think it's time for MS fanboys to drop this illusion that Kinetic will offer much in terms of a hardcore experience.

I personally don't see anything wrong with it. There will always be hardcore games so I don't see the casual movement as a threat. The more the merrier. I sure in the future there will be some games that incorporate Natal with the controller but I don't see it being a significant enough addition to warrant the purchase.

epoxy795490d ago

Im tired of debating

http://stanford-online.stan...

watch for yourselves. Sony has been reseaching and perfecting this tech for years before the wii came out. and kinect being innovative give me a break.

open your eyes!!

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-Alpha5496d ago (Edited 5496d ago )

Of course the early games are Wii-like. I am fully expecting these games to exist, they are pretty much games that demonstrate the technology. Even MOVE has it

I'm sure this is not all MS will offer.

@Kill

Natal's official conference is on the 17th. Hopefully they can make a final impression as it is the last major chance MS has before launch

killyourfm5496d ago

I know it's not all they will offer, and I know the software will improve greatly. But this is NOT a good first impression.

dktxx25496d ago

add to that - when they introduced it, they showed off milo, the super ai that you could have a conversation with. that, turned into river rafting.

not exactly what they led people to believe it was huh?

SOAD5496d ago

What do you mean? They completely scrapped Milo in favor of that river rafting game? If that's true then I'm really disappointed.

Milo's potential was pretty big. Imagine Wolfram-Alpha in human form. That could be Milo.

dktxx25496d ago

okay im not going to say they scrapped milo for river rafting, i dont know. i dont think milo was ever going to be a game actually, it was a tech demo of what it was capable of, so ms said.

im trying to say that ms led gamers into thinking natal was capable of truly impressive, innovative things. and it looks like they have absolutely nothing to show for it that is even remotely unique or innovative. maybe they have more to show for it, but i doubt it.

Unicron5496d ago

Indeed Alpha. But considering how much the media and MS have hyped Natal to be the next big innovative thing... well, this feels remarkably subpar.

I still think the best uses will be in tandem with controllers for games like those in the RTS genre (Halo Wars 2 anyone?). But as it stands, this is a personal "nail in the coffin" for my total NOT caring of motion controls this year, on any system. Until I see something that really is amazingly innovative from Sony or MS on the GAME aspect of these motion controls, that's a resounding MEH from me.

Tony-A5496d ago

I thought they would've thrown a hardcore game in there to steal some of that Sony commitment when they said they'll have things for the hardcore.

Instead, they did what I should've know they would do all along.

Ivan Drago IV5496d ago

"Only $149.99 US dollars" Riiiiver Rush! oh and this http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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‘I think Xbox hardware is dead’, says Microsoft gaming veteran

One of the founding members of the Xbox team has questioned Microsoft’s multiplatform gaming strategy, and said they believe the Xbox hardware business is effectively “dead"

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Goodguy011d 9h ago

Think that rumor that they'll still make a new console but at a profit at $1000 will be true though. The series consoles will remain their cheap alternative throughout next gen I would say. Keep in mind that game pass and pretty much going 3rd party is their main focus. They want to bring xbox everywhere.

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GamerRN13h ago

If they don't maintain some kind of console presence, I think they will lose gamepass subscribers and just become a 3rd party publisher who eventually sells everything off

Cacabunga12h ago

Xbox games are releasing on all platforms. Who needs this hardware? PS or PC is all you need

Flewid63810h ago

I've never owned an Xbox in my life and I have GamePass.

thorstein9h ago

The only Xbox I owned was the 360. I have gamepass for my PC.

GamerRN4h ago

Majority of Gamepass users are currently on console...

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crazyCoconuts11h ago

Even if they could get it down to $800 for a box that can run with comparable performance to a PS6 (at, say $200 cheaper) the population of people willing to buy such a thing would be so limited.
It would be the worst of both worlds.

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Futureshark22h ago

A slow, painful and public death too.

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Looming Xbox layoffs threaten Microsoft's reputation

Even as the company sets out to overhaul the very definition of Xbox, cuts at its studios risk creating a negative image reminiscent of EA's worst era

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Jingsing3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I appreciate the article but this guy must be living in a delayed universe, The reputation was ruined 10+ years ago and hasn't recovered since. As such people have voted with their wallets and stopped buying Xbox products in large amounts.

YourMommySpoils2d ago

Their reputation was lost way before that. From the moment Microsoft said they entering the console business, we all knew it would be a downgrade.

Bathyj1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

That's not true at all the OG Xbox had drive and they had hunger and they wanted to accomplish something. It was a great console.

they didn't quite reach their goals and they gave up prematurely because they couldn't win. It was halfway through the Xbox 360 when kinect released and that was when they lost their way and we're a rudderless ship ever since

Agent751d 15h ago

In all fairness, Xbox had some great games with online play, Xbox 360 even better. Xbox consoles started to die with the Xbox One. Ditch consoles for the PC and PS.

YourMommySpoils1d 7h ago

@Bathyj hard to compute ay. Xbox was never better than a PC and that's all they ever were. A demo box. Doesn't get more true than that.

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isarai3d ago

What reputation is this threatening exactly? 😂

Lightning773d ago

Rumors of Turn 10 being either shut down or hit with massive lay offs is on the horizon.

The issue is MS will do something right only to do something very, very wrong. And they do this what seems calculative at this point. Doesn't matter what they do the Investors and leadership want more and more money an endless bottomless pit of purr insatiable greed. A company that acts like it's broke or hurting is what really, really infuriates me. They've surpassed apple again well over 3 trillion who acts like they're a million dollar company is fk stupid. Pivots and changes for no reason and can't do things for more than a year with out a pivot or changing their metrics.

Christopher2d ago

That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest.

1Victor2d ago

@christopher: “ That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest”
The key word big can be ether good or bad 🤷🏿only time can tell

DarXyde2d ago

First Forza being generated entirely via AI?

If any company would do it, it'd be them.

Nacho_Z1d 23h ago

Isn't the point that it's irrelevant how profitable MS is, the suits have decided it's time that the Xbox division started making them money. Hence the layoffs, the pivots.

hennessey861d 18h ago

That wouldn't surprise me, as motorsport has been heading down hill since the great number 4. Where as playground have consistently put out better games. I think the two studios will be merged under playground games banner.

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Microsoft planning “major” Xbox layoffs next week

The cuts are expected to be announced next week.

Microsoft is also planning thousands of job cuts that will impact other parts of it businesses

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Obscure_Observer6d ago

MFs has been beating their chests over great quarterly results and big profits to shareholders while firing people by the thousands just like Sony.

I wonder if at the top of those rumored layoffs they´ll also cancel upcoming or unannounced games while shutting down more studios as well.

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pwnmaster30006d ago

Always got to throw shade at Sony smh.
Yes we get it,
MS good Sony bad
MS bad Sony is also bad lmao

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Obscure_Observer6d ago

F* them both!

Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares.

blacktiger6d ago

He was talking about both. Why you getting offended when he's using both names

pwnmaster30006d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@Blacktiger

Im not offended , that’s just his formula lol
He can’t help help himself, he needs to bring Sony down when the topic involves MS.
Whether is good news for MS or bad, it some how leads to Sony doing bad lmao.
It’s actually hilarious.

InUrFoxHole6d ago

He's not wrong but im tracking what youre saying. In this case is should just be MS bad. Thats a lot of people fired

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Tacoboto6d ago

"just like Sony"

Gosh you're insufferable, not everything needs to be both-sides'd. Sony's had layoffs, but nothing like what Microsoft has been doing and is continuing to do.

CrimsonWing696d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I mean, no offense, but this is why you’re not some corporate business person running a major corporation. Big profits don’t mean jobs are safe. Do you understand why things like this happen:

Cutting jobs to maintain or increase profitability, especially in underperforming divisions like parts of Xbox like other gaming divisions.

Corporate restructuring and relocating resources for strategic stability in ever changing markets and consumer behaviors.

Investor expectations and optimizing operations to maintain investor confidence. Whatever boosts stock prices and improves future margins.

And there’s many other factors at play. It’s never as simple as business doing well, everyone’s safe. That’s just you not understanding at all how corporations work and have been working since the beginning. This isn’t something that’s specific to Xbox, you can bet your ass Sony and Nintendo do this and if it’s not clear by now, game development is not a stable job nor has it ever been for many. A lot of developers are contractors and guess what happens when a project is done?

Ganif6d ago

Nintendo said they have no plans for layoffs, and you can't seriously claim that the scale of Sony's layoffs most of which involved Bungie which is self managed as even close to the same scale as what Microsoft has done since they purchased Zenimax. And that significantly less layoffs would have happened if those publishers had stayed independent. Keep in mind that much of these layoffs have been due to redundancies specifically related to these buyouts.

CrimsonWing696d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@Ganif

Nintendo:

https://gamerant.com/ninten...

Sony:

https://gamerant.com/playst...

https://techxplore.com/news...

I don’t think it’s realistic to treat Sony’s layoffs as somehow outside the norm for the industry right now. Even if Bungie is self-managed, Sony’s cuts went far beyond that like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, London Studio being shut down completely, and multiple teams across the globe took hits. These weren’t just minor adjustments.

Nintendo, I had to look up and you’re right. They seem to be an outlier, but rest assured at some point it happens. And even then there’s been layoffs, albeit a smaller amount and contractors.

Would fewer layoffs have happened if studios from acquisitions stayed independent? Maybe. But even independents have been hit hard and look at what’s happened with Embracer’s fallout, or smaller devs like Digic, Roll7, or Volition. This isn’t just a “Microsoft problem” or strictly tied to acquisitions; it’s a broader correction happening across the whole industry, and unfortunately, layoffs are a big part of that process right now.

Ganif6d ago

From your article:

"According to reports, Nintendo of America restructured its testing operations, leading to layoffs of about 120 contractors, part of a strategy for global integration.

Nintendo of America, publisher of iconic franchises like Mario and Zelda, is shifting some contractors to full-time roles for better development integration."

Contractors are not employees, and even if you want to count them as that, it's 120 people vs around 7500 since Microsoft purchased Zenimax.

In an era of game industry layoffs, Nintendo is hiring more people
https://automaton-media.com...

Nintendo Announces 10 Percent Pay Raise For Devs Despite Lower Profits
https://kotaku.com/nintendo...

Nintendo CEO’s refusal to layoff staff goes viral following industry-wide cuts
"Satoru Iwata took pay cuts to ensure staff didn’t have to be let go"
https://www.nme.com/news/ga...

And as for Sony you're comparing less than 1000 total jobs to an estimated7500

Has the industry faced layoffs, yes, but that still doesn't account for the mass layoffs due to redundancies that was easily predictable, or that fact that at least 1/3 of Microsoft's layoffs and studio closures happened before the industry downturn.

thorstein6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Take the L, Crimson.

People hate Nintendo, but Ganif proved why they deserve support.

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-Foxtrot6d ago

It's like banging your head off a wall, he just can't help himself.

Microsoft can do no wrong, Sony sucks at everything and Nintendo is bigged up because it's less hassle than trying to defend Microsoft all the time

What's going to happen when Microsoft finally turn completely third party, then what?

anast6d ago

I enjoy Obscure. Obscure does good work.

crazyCoconuts6d ago

Did you know that the first n4g was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.

Tacoboto6d ago

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if anast and osbcure were both alts for the Admin.

We know how Obscure especially drums up additional comments and clicks with his spam-worthy remarks that somehow never get moderated

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Profchaos6d ago

Thats business present a strong front to your shareholders while your company burns around you.

Keep shareholders happy at all costs andnif not happy keep them numb to the reality of you organisation

Angyobangyo6d ago

" Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares. "

Just for the record, you clearly you do if you have to vent this hard.

TheExecutioner5d ago

Basically you think like kids when it come to choose between candy or chocolate.

Sonic18815d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Are you and Anast the same person?

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