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Microsoft: Nearly 25m 360s Installed

At the BMO Capital Markets Interactive Entertainment Conference on Thursday, Microsoft said it expects to hit a notable milestone with the Xbox 360.

"By the end of this month, we expect our global installed base to reach 25 million units, surpassing that of the first Xbox," said Mindy Mount, CFO of the firm's Entertainment & Devices Division.

She said that the milestone is still "only a start," as "more than three-quarters" of a console's sales occur when it drops to $199 or lower. Three current models of Xbox 360 range from the $199 base Arcade version to the $399 Elite version following an early September price drop.

Due to that drop, Microsoft said sales of Xbox 360 rose 42 percent month-on-month in the U.S., 62 percent in Europe and 500 percent in traditionally Xbox-averse Japan.

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BIoodmask5660d ago (Edited 5660d ago )

Microsoft will have sold more 360s in roughly 75% of the amount of time they sold that many consoles for the original Xbox. Not bad for them being the new kid on the block.

gametheory5660d ago

It's ok for new kids' on the block for doing "just ok". However, Nintendo was once new kid on the block and did much better with the SNES than MS with their 360 on a significantly smaller market. Sega also did better than th 360 with their 2nd console, the Genesis, on a smaller market than it is today. Sony pwned everyone with their 1st and second consoles.

Microsoft is definitely doing better than they did with the first Xbox, but considering they have endless cash, hype and have been throwing dirt at their competition ever since this generation started, the 360 should be in the Wii's place, especially with that price point.

White-Sharingan5660d ago

new kids on the block?

its their second console

sure they arent veterans but not new kids on the block

Bathyj5660d ago (Edited 5660d ago )

Umm shipped, not sold. You guys always have a problem with that.

You always looking for a concession for being the "New Kid" too. Since when does that have anything to do with anything.

Sony was the New Kid and sold well over 100M PSOne's. M$ is only ONE generation younger than Sony you know.

THAMMER15660d ago

Installed means sold. 24 million sold is a great achievement for XBOX360. Your problem is that it a positive achievement for the XBOX360. Please get over it already.

Bitter Tears5660d ago

Dude Bathyj just wipe those tears up man I'll explain it to you.

The 360 was at 20 million installed close to the start of the year WORLDWIDE.

The 360 now is rounding 25 million installed WORLDWIDE. It should be 27 million shipped by now.

It shouldn't be much of a surprise there, shhhhhh, it's okay, I'll cry with you.

Our PS3s are great for LBP and R2, shhhhh, that's right just shhhhhhh.

:'(

morganfell5660d ago

Yeah 25 mil. I have had 4 of them. And not because I wanted one in every bedroom.

THAMMER15660d ago

One for my daughter, Nephews, Lil Brother and me included.

Bubble Buddy5660d ago (Edited 5660d ago )

How many broken? :P. Kidding. Congrats on MS for doing well. Combine with Sony to kick Wii's as$

Genesis55660d ago

Thats funny because they were at 22 million this morning.

Bathyj5660d ago

Theres some disillusional Mo Fo's right here. But thats why I love you guys. When I stand next to you I sound really smart.

M$ NEVER gives SOLD numbers. Must we argue this every time? Shipped baby. Thats all they deal with, for the same reason you trim your pubic hair. To make it appear bigger than it is.

Do you really think if they SOLD 25M and therefore must have shipped about 27 or 28M, they wouldn't be crowing from the mountain tops about how they were nearly 30M consoles strong.

No, that doesn't sound like M$ does it? Just like when they overstocked every retail chain on Christmas 07 so their numbers would be huge, only it meant they had to cut shipments for the next 6 months because in was April, May before stores could clear all that excess stock.

The bottomline is PS3 has outsold XB world wide every year since it came out, so that precious lead you'se care about so much has done nothing but get smaller. Its basic maths and doesn't change. Only your perception of it through M$'s spin doctoring can change.

THAMMER15660d ago

Your are spinning out of controll. You need help.

Bladestar5660d ago (Edited 5660d ago )

base on your logic then Sony didn't accomplish anything with the PS2... because trust me.. most of us in this side had at least 3 PS2... I personally had 2 PS2 had the disc error on me... and then I wanted a slim one... so, I guess Sony only sold less than 50 Million PS2? which explains the super lower than xbox 360 game attach rate...
If you were smart you would notice the xbox 360 attach rate and how a game like Halo and Gears could sells so many copies compared to the xbox 360 installbase.. that shows that most xbox 360 owners do not own multiple consoles.... who knows genious... even if what you say about RROD is true... people don't simply buy a new one.. they send it for repairs... duhh it's free. Something that was not an option for the PS2.

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Bombomb5660d ago (Edited 5660d ago )

no kiddin and it took sony a while and didn't offer fixes or warranties

anything positive for ms turns into a spin--->super spin---super duper spin..

ms surpases the original xbox sales...ps3 fanboy "well nintendo did it better at one point"

gametheory5660d ago

"hey i went through 6 ps2's"

lol, I went through 20 Xbox 360s already because Microsoft refused to honor the warranty. See? I can also pull numbers out of my ass. Anyone who goes through that many consoles is a moron anyway, either for still putting up with it and not looking for an alternative OR for not knowing how to take care of a console. So whether you're a liar or mentally challenged or plain ignorant (or a combination of these), things don't look good for you. I feel sorry for anyone that actually thinks we'll believe anyone bought the same console over and over.

I owned a PS2 and never experienced any problems with it, hell not with any console until Xbox 360. I am actually on my 4th (now that's a fact), but Microsoft did honor the warranty, I didn't have to pay a damned cent and rightfully so, and nobody would be that retarded anyway. I don't believe a word of what bladestar says, he's a blind Microsoft lemming so there's no credibility in his words.

Anyway, you also say:

"ms surpases the original xbox sales...ps3 fanboy "well nintendo did it better at one point" "

Funny, I own all consoles if that's me who you're referring to, but anyway, you obviously missed the point. It's not just Nintendo that did better, it's Nintendo, Sega and Sony. All did better with their second consoles. In smaller markets. With less money. Microsoft is the most inefficient money spender in this world and everyone knows it, that's how they destroy the competition (which makes fanboys like bladestar and you horny). Just because these facts are unpleasant to you it doesn't mean they aren't true or that you have to be a fanboy to state them. Just because Microsoft did better than last time it doesn't mean they're actually doing good. Sony did better than last year but they're still doing abysmal considering the Wii is outselling them 2 to 1 LTD and this month it was 4 to 1.

And LOL @ how bladestar downplays the PS2 from 140 million to 50 million, talk about being delusional. He talks about attach rates without talking about piracy and mass markets, now that's denial. Can anyone get any more fanboyish? Yet they call me a fanboy for stating the facts that all other major competitors after Nintendo became the leader succeeded better than Microsoft did even though Microsoft has always had more advantages than pretty much everyone else.

morganfell5660d ago (Edited 5660d ago )

Worlwide NPD? Please. Now you are just making crap up. Go cry those bitter tears at someone else. Sony took Europe from MS, took the world, and will take the US overall this year.

cherrypie5660d ago (Edited 5660d ago )

"Umm shipped, not sold."

NO. Can you read? It said;

"By the end of this month, we expect our global installed base to reach 25 million units"

Do you "install" unsold machines? This is *not* simply shipped, but **INSTALLED** (sold).

Nice try. I *really* like the way you people try and blatantly re-write news as it is presented to you. Can't you read?

@morganfell
"Yeah 25 mil. I have had 4 of them."

Thats a fcuking lie. These are *sold* units; you DIDNT buy 4 seperate Xbox 360s -- and, that number has nothing to do with warranty repairs.

HOWEVER, because SONY told me to go frakc myself when I had **3** PS2s fail, **MY** 3 failed PS2s are included in the 100M PS2 number.

MS took care of its problem with a $0 warranty repair -- and fixed the problem last summer.

BTW - I've marked your comment as OFF TOPIC -- we need a "fanboy troll" button here for comments like yours.

HWG5660d ago (Edited 5660d ago )

Listen to gametheory... when I confronted him with data in a private message, he refused to answer me and blocked me. Anything as such he says, should be totally ignored... he obviously does not wish to have debates, he just wants to have his fanboy argument and feel better.

robep35659d ago

......INCLUDE people who on 360 sites who SAY that are on 2,3,4,5,6,..upto 11TH 360 for one guy due to RROD? so LETS CHOP AT LEAST
15-20% for those (should be more LIKE 25-30%) so more like 19-20m at best.

Rob

JasonPC360PS3Wii5659d ago

Doing ok is better than "old kids" or "old pro's" doing poorly.

Socom5659d ago

I think Steve Balmer should fire whoever there spokesperson is because those claims are RETARDED.

AAACE55659d ago

That comment sounded extremely stupid! The NES came out during a time when videogames were being considered a fad, and alot of investors were ready to pull the plug on the gaming industry.

Technically, the NES had no comeptition, and were free to make new rules for gaming! The NES is responsible for gaming still being around, and it deserves it's respect!

But nintendo had enough time to etch it's way into gamers hearts! Sony got popular during a time when people wanted something different, which they provided and pushed the industry foward!

MS' main focus was to make online gaming popular, which they have done, and have caused Sony and Nintendo to take seriously!

So MS should get at least a little bit of respect from all gamers... especially if you like being able to play online games with your favorite controller, in front of your TV!

Not to mention the fact that they could reach that many consoles sold, despite having all kinds of problems along the way, while competing against console legends like Sony and Nintendo!

I know alot of you may hate MS (for whatever reason), but you should give them a little respect! MS' main contribution to gaming is online play and HDD's, while Nintendo and Sony were content on us buying multiple memory cards, and didn't think online gaming on a console was that important!

I respect all 3 companies! 4 if you include Sega(they did a few things in their time). Nintendo saved gaming! Sony revolutionalized gaming! MS connected gamers! Sega was first with online gaming!

prowiew5659d ago

Just chill bathyj. And please, no need to insult others. That goes for everyone. Peace oout

No Way5659d ago (Edited 5659d ago )

It doesn't say that they sold 25m.. it says the expect to sale 25m, by the end of the year.

@BathyJ- Nobody cares.. Move along. And, please stop crying.. will ya? Grow up.

@gametheory - I myself went through 4 PS2's. And, my brother's together went through 7 of them. How's that so hard to believe? The PS2 had many problems.. I had one that had a disc read error, one stopped playing PS2 games(yea.. seriously), one that had it's own screen, the screen stopped working, and one that completely died..

The Matrix5659d ago

I'm getting a 360 this holiday to compliment my PS3. Why argue which console is better when you can have them both and buy the best games from both sides?

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Imallvol75660d ago (Edited 5660d ago )

congrats MS, now if we could just get the 360 and ps3 selling better than the Wii so companies would stop making shovel ware and make great games . . . wait . . . what am I saying? I can't even afford the games I want this month! There are so many!!!

v1c1ous5660d ago

the leading console is always the one with the most crapstacular games (shovel ware).

unfortunately for wii, its specs have forced devs to go another route, which is the 360/ps3.

so in a way, the fact that wii is monopolizing the garbage games, it doesnt dilute the quality titles on gets to experience by owning a ps3/xbox 360.

so being a 360/ps3 only owner this gen isnt as bad as being a gamecube/xbox only owner like last gen, where all the good games were only on ps2.

Anon19745660d ago

Even though the 360 is now the cheapest console out there, that hasn't stopped the Wii from still doubling the 360's numbers over the last 2 months. I don't really know how much of an impact the price cut is going to have for the 360 in the long run.

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Why Xbox believes it must cut costs and close studios

Companies, particularly public companies like Microsoft, need to grow.

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gold_drake13h ago

i mean its pretty simple, they spent close to 30 billion in acquiring activision, they thought they'd make it bk no problem, and that didnt happen.

its just shit that because of MS's miscalculation alot of people lost their jobs.

Jingsing10h ago

This is exactly what many people said would happen including the CMA and FTC. Lies lies and more lies and they allowed a $69 billion buy out to happen.

gold_drake10h ago

oh yeh it was 70 billion. that was my bad haha even worse.

thesoftware73010h ago(Edited 10h ago)

gold,

You can't be serious, right?

Do you think that MS thought they would make 80bill in a year & Half? They haven't even released titles under MS yet, lol.

But in fact, that A/B revenue is already paying off, look at the last earnings call. That $80 billion is long-term money, my guy, no sane person/company would think they would make that back in any short-term situation, it's a long-term investment.

Let's play silly then. If MS's reason for laying off staff and closing studios was due(which it really was not) to the A/B deal, tell me what Sony's reason was for past studio closures, the recent 900-person layoffs, closing Sony London, shutting down Dreams, and closing Japan Studio? Zipper? Psygnosis? cuts at all their internal studios.

Keep in mind, you are claiming MS's reason is because of the A/B deal; please explain Sony's reason.

Hofstaderman10h ago

You actually still defending them? Sheesh.....

gold_drake9h ago

this is not a sony vs MS debate. dont make it something it isnt.

and of course not, but im pretty sure they thought they'd make more money after the deal. they didnt, and closed off some studios.

its pretty insane to think there is any other reason for the closure of studios in this case.

romulus239h ago(Edited 9h ago)

(It really was) due to the Activision Blizzard deal and the loss of physical sales due to gamepass. You keep bringing up Sony in all your posts about this, stop deflecting and trying to change the topic, this is about MS and what they are doing.

BehindTheRows9h ago

Has nothing to do with Sony. Stay on topic.

notachance9h ago

once in a while you see someone too invested in their make-believe console war that everything happened has to be connected to said war…

a bit of banter between fans is normal, this crusade you’re doing now isn’t.

Chevalier8h ago

Wow idiotic. You bring up very old closures not that there haven't been recent ones from Playstations, but, seriously stop deflecting. This has NOTHING to do with Playstation.

Does Playstation got $3 trillion behind them and daddies wallet? No they don't so stop making a fool of yourself.

Xbox has never been profitable really and they just keep losing money so between their worst hardware sales, terrible 3rd party sales and now terrible 1st party sales.

Gamepass numbers that are no longer being announced shows their numbers after 3 years of missed targets has flatlined. Plus their recent gains up to 34 million were ONLY because they folded Gold members in too. Absolutely take your idiotic rhetoric out of here. Keep on topic without deflecting.

S2Killinit8h ago

Ayayayay with these xbox/MS excuses.

Reaper22_3h ago

How dare you mention Sony! Everyone here knows when Sony closes a studio and lay off workers it was the right thing to do. Even when they bought Gaikai and fired almost everyone it was the right thing to do.

Gamers can be such hypocrites sometimes.

andy852h ago

Is it? That's revenue not profit. Completely different.

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thesoftware7307h ago(Edited 7h ago)

Drake,

"this is not a sony vs MS debate. dont make it something it isnt."

You are correct that it's not an MS Vs Sony Topic, but when exaggeration and imagination mix from a one-sided social group, similar examples are needed to ground radical thoughts; in this instance, the example was that shutting down 3,4,5, even 6 studios during a restructure/ buyout/acquisition is not some anomaly(it can suck) that has to be dissected or spell doom and gloom.

"But I'm pretty sure they thought they'd make more money after the deal. They didn't, and they closed off some studios."

But they did make more money, a lot, actually; the last earnings call showed a huge growth in profit, almost all due to A/B revenue.

"its pretty insane to think there is any other reason for the closure of studios in this case."

The fact that they did make money, kinda throws this out the window, and besides, you don't wake up and say, hey let's close a studio, you look at the output, you look at the dev as a whole, the long term and short term, you weigh it against all other studios and goals, you keep key members, ect..then you close if they are the weakest links...which by MS analysis they were.

Again, I will make a small Sony comparison, just so some of you can understand and see past the bias; Insomniac, ND, and Bungie have made some of the best games ever created, yet Sony saw fit to cut jobs in every of these studios, even tho Insomniac & ND are the biggest producers of PS games, leagues ahead better than Tango and Arkane, yet, they saw cuts, mind you, while being the TOP produces of PS first party. They were told to cut costs, and more jobs may be on the line, and Bungie is being threatened by a hostile Sony takeover. Put that in perspective, as I know that layoffs and dev closures are different, but if the best of the best is getting cut off, it is less than surprising, that lesser studios are closing.

@Cheva,
My response fits well with your comments as well. You even went on to prove that the dev closures are not just due to A/B acquisition. Then you point out Sony has less money than MS, inferring that MS should keep devs open that they see as lesser earners, while Sony having less money makes it okay to close them. lol...it doesn't work that way.

gold_drake7h ago

im not reading all of that. u have ur opinion, i have mine.

thats rly it.

but this aint sony vs ms.

ApocalypseShadow6h ago

You're trying to compare a 100 billion company to a company that has 3 TRILLION worth. SIE has to live or die on their own. And in turn, PlayStation has helped the main company again and again. Sony has to balance out what is working and not working in the company.

While Xbox has Daddy Warbucks footing the bill to keep the platform afloat. They have been bleeding money from Nvidia hardware in the OG Xbox, the RROD fiasco, the attempted 2013 DRM nonsense and the lies about being the most powerful console in the world and the losses of paying out millions to prop up a service hoping it catches on with enough subscribers to justify its existence.

They're not comparable if Xbox isn't allowed to live or die by its actions. It's subsidized. Revenue isn't profit. And if they were profiting on their own, they wouldn't be closing developers. If they were profiting, they wouldn't need Daddy Warbucks spending 80 to 100 billion buying up 3rd party publishers to sustain a loss leading platform.

They stopped announcing game sales, stopped announcing hardware sales, stopped announcing game pass subscribers, they are putting games on their competitors platforms but you're telling us that they are doing great even after killing jobs and closing developers at Xbox.

Stop drinking the Kool aid. You're drunk.

WelkinCole2h ago

I am pretty sure MS knew this would happen and this was part of their plan. I mean if anyone with half a brain can see this happening I am pretty sure a multi billion company like MS knew this would happen

The whole strategy in buying Beth and Acti/Blizzard is for

1. Buy established games they can have under xbox because they have done a horrible job in building their portfolio internally for the past 15 years

2. Following from 1, try and boost xbox competitivenss against a dominat PS which MS after 3 tries still can't crack

3. Follolwing from 2, try and weaken Playstation dominance by taking out these massive multiplats from the PS

4. Following from 3, try and profit off from the PS domiance with selected games they will still have on the PS to make money like COD

5. Obviously get the IP's by buying them instead of creating them which again as I mentioned in number 1 they have been woeful in doing

None of these had anyting to do with keeping all the devs they accuried. MS has always been very shitty to Devs under them. Look at what happned to Bungie for example.

I believe MS in court truely mean it when they said they had to do something because PS was just too dominant. This was their last roll of the dice.

And from the looks of things. It has not panned out as MS had hoped. PS5 is still as dominant as ever and xbox is still behind. Worse still their MP's they got is not irreplaceable as they thought. Starfield? lol!. There have not been any major shift in momentum in this console war in their favor so now its time to start cutting their loses and it starts with the most expensive cost for any company. People.

Michiel198915m ago

for a comparison, sony laid of a bigger % of it's staff this year than ms, it's what companies sadly do nowadays. If you think with GP and Bethesda + acti aquisition they were looking for quick cash, you couldn't be more wrong. It hasn't even been a year, "they thought they'd make it bk no problem, and that didnt happen." shows you have 0 understanding of how a business operates.

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anast10h ago

They are going to use AI for a large portion of the game development process. Upper management need bonuses and the shareholders need more money. So, people will lose their jobs.

Skuletor10h ago

Maybe they were already using AI to make business decisions, which would explain why they closed Hi-Fi Rush's studio, then said they need more games like Hi-Fi Rush not long after that announcement.

Crows909h ago(Edited 9h ago)

They shouldn't have bought any studios. Some is okay...but they went on a shopping spree...stupid

Einhander19729h ago

The better question is why did Microsoft buy publishers for a service they were subsidizing they knew couldn't support.

And why are so many websites trying to make people feel sorry for Microsoft instead of truly criticizing the fact they are closing studios and killing jobs that would have been fine if Microsoft themselves hadn't gotten involved.

Quit feeling sorry for Microsoft and start feeling sorry for the industry and the all the gamers who are actually losing out.

THIS IS MICROSOFTS FAULT.

RNTody9h ago

The first thing that happens after any major acquisition or merger is a consolidation of the whole new portfolio, which includes cutting any excess, bloat or portfolios that don't fit the larger MO of the big boy. So far, it's been par for the course with Microsoft and that's why gamers have been so against this acquisition. Tango Gameworks is the beginning. You think Microsoft wants to pay to keep small timers like Ninja Theory in business?

There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest that Microsoft will improve any of these studios, but plenty to suggest that they will get rid of what they don't need and hold onto the IP. The real agenda of the acquisition was always to acquire The Elder Scrolls, Diablo, Fallout, Call of Duty, Candy Crush etc. that will create millions in passive revenue stream for Microsoft regardless of where the games release. Microsoft simply wants their cut.

Because of Games Pass Microsoft has no interest in investing in new IP which is risky and requires creative talent they can neither nurture nor manage. Game Pass has also not grown in the way Microsoft expected it to, even post acquisitions. Therefore the logical thing to do, without serious money makers to release, is to cut as much cost as possible.

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No 7 days to die is criminal