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Wii Game Sales Weak?

There's no denying that Nintendo sits atop videogame system sales with the Wii, however an article in today's New York Times notes it's the Wii game (software) sales that are lacking. The article notes a sharp drop in Super Smash Bros. Brawl sales, with retailers such as Toys R Us bundling the game with the Wii system and a GameStop store reporting sales dropping from "a couple thousand" in the first week to "maybe 100" in the weeks following. No doubt, hardcore fans swooped it up in the first week, as March 2008 NPD numbers show. But are Wii owners supporting the system's library enough?

PS360WII5861d ago

meh. Wii sales are much better than GC sales so far so not to weak.

Bleucrunch5861d ago

I barely play the wii since I got brawl. Actually I bought my wii on the day that brawl released and I still dont play it much at all. During a 7 day week I might play it once if I am lucky enough to remember to do so. The wii has not games that appeal to me, I will not buy mario kart wii because at this point I can see that Nintendo is just remaking this games which is really annoying if you think about it.

PS360WII5861d ago

I've been playing the Wii more than the others for the past month or so. There hasn't been anything out but on the Wii for me at least. I've been playing Opoona, Baroque, and Okami just resently along with Brawl still playing Dragon Quest Swords and Fire Emblem. PS3 I play GT5P but only in small bursts and 360 I'll pop in Lost Odyssey every once in a while. Yet for a good while it's been back and forth between Wii and DS. Lots of games for the DS I'm playing too :)

ChickeyCantor5861d ago

one disagreed with you....LOGIC FAILURE * head explodes*

Xiru5861d ago

This is normal. It has been stated many times by many different sources, the most recent being the Epic president that the Wii is selling because of curiosity. Once a person buys it, they usually find that it gets boring after a little while. I know that I haven't touched my Wii since Brawl came out. Most gamers will go to the 360/PS3 to get their gaming fix. Its the casual market who is buying the Wii, and they really aren't big game buyers.

Xiru5861d ago

Yep I study charts all the time. Casual and 1st party titles rule the charts. Typical of Nintendo sytems.

nirwanda5861d ago

sorry xiru it wasn't meant as it may have sounded, I think the problem devs have with the wii they don't understand that the hardcore gamers do own wii's but also have a 360/PS3 it's like the DS they need to have better unique idea's then it will sell by the bucket load.

Why would a port of a next gen game sell

BrotherNick5861d ago (Edited 5861d ago )

From Nirwanda: "hardcore gamers do own wii's but also have a 360/PS3 it's like the DS they need to have better unique idea's" Don't you think Nintendo has created Wii Sports and Wii Fit? Those are quite unique ideas. It's the other developers who are having trouble making sales for the wii...their "backwards looking design teams" is the real problem...I think the wii was made to change perceptions of what a game is, or can be.

From Xiru: "Casual and 1st party titles rule the charts." Shouldn't games be for everyone? I don't think the industry should ostracize other groups of people to gaming. If they didn't make the market bigger there would be less reason for gaming overall, because if you seen the trends of how many were gaming from the snes up, you would see that less people were playing games, therefore less revenue, therefore less games. I put money that many casual gamers will start craving more hardcore type games...not many, but a good enough amount. You have to realize that most people aren't as obsessed as we are.

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BeaArthur5861d ago

I could have told you this. The Wii doesn't have very many good games and they don't really appeal to the hardcore gamer. As a result there target market consists of people who do not buy lots of games (recreational users) and little kids (who rely on their parents to buy the games). I like Metriod, Zelda, Mario Kart and Mario Galaxy, they are all great games but that equals 4 games in the year and a half the system has been out.

KingJFS5861d ago (Edited 5861d ago )

Super Smash Bros Brawl sold 2.7 million copies in March. No PS3 game has ever sold that many in America and only three Xbox 360 games have (Halo 3, Call of Duty 4 and Gears of War).

To say that Wii sales are "weak" after a game becomes the fourth best-selling game of this generation is moronic.

BeaArthur5861d ago

Game sales is plural meaning not just one game. Super Smash Brothers may have trounced other game sales but go look at the statistics of Wii game sales as a whole.

Voiceofreason5861d ago (Edited 5861d ago )

I have and they are just fine over all. Even the shovel ware is managing some decent sales. Wii is constantly in the top spot when it comes to the amoun of software sold. Whats really sad is 5 minutes at looking at NPD data is all it took to see this guy was full of it. ALso to the person above. They specifically mentioned SSBB. Sales for that game are fine compared to many other games that arent being called failures. Someone even tried to say SMG was a failure and it has arounf 4-5 million sold now.

KingJFS5861d ago

OK fine.

In 29 months, 36 titles have sold more than a million copies worldwide on the Xbox 360. (monthly average = 1.2)

In 17 months, 25 titles have sold more than a million copies worldwide on the Wii. (monthly average = 1.5)

In 17 months, 12 titles have sold more than a million copies worldwide on the PS3. (monthly average = 0.7)

While none of the consoles are doing bad, the numbers clearly show the *PS3* software sales underperforming, not the Wii.

BeaArthur5861d ago

Voiceofreason...decent sales aren't going to cut it. By comparison the 360 and the PS3 sell more games overall. I own all 3 and by far more games for the PS3 and 360.

BeaArthur5861d ago

KingJFS...maybe but the author is not strictly talking about games that sell over a million. You seem reasonably intelligent so you probably know as I do that numbers can be manipulated to say whatever you want them to say. I'm not calling the Wii a bad console I'm just saying as a whole their game library lacks in appeal.

KingJFS5861d ago

"I'm not calling the Wii a bad console I'm just saying as a whole their game library lacks in appeal."

And I'm saying that sales numbers do not bore out that opinion. You're right, numbers can be manipulated, and that has happened often in this console war. But that is not what's happening here.

Look at the VGChartz listings for US sales between the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360.

For the Wii...
Dragonball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 is at number 50 with 196K
Four more pages of Wii games follow.

For the PS3...
Tom Clancy Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 is at number 50 with 174K
Two more pages of PS3 games follow.

For the Xbox 360...
The Simpsons Game is at number 50 with 454K
Four more pages of Xbox 360 games follow.

I don't say this to bash the PS3, but worldwide and American sales clearly label it as "weak" saleswise, not the Wii.

BeaArthur5861d ago

KingJFS...Again he is referring to overall sales for the console not isolated games. We'll jsut have to disagree on this one. I'm talking about the crappy games no one buys, not the Zelda's and Mario's.

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Voiceofreason5861d ago (Edited 5861d ago )

Lot of incorrect stuff in that article, or just outright spin. Just pulled up VGchatz and noticed that SSBB was number 1...yeah being the number 1 selling game is really something to be worried about.Also the last official thing I read had GH3 on Wii outselling all other versions of the game and thats will a recall. I guess he missed the part where they lost 6 weeks of sales for shipping with mono sound.Hell just looking at th NPD for game sales shows he is completely wrong "Over the first three months of the year, only three other Wii titles broke the list of top 10 best-selling games compiled by the NPD Group, a market research firm: Super Mario Galaxy, Guitar Hero III and Wii Play," I think he needs to actually read the NPD data. Jan has 5 Wii games in the top 10. Feb has 4 and MArch as 5 again.. When you consider the 360,PS3,DS, and PSP are all trying to have games there getting 5 of them isnt a bad thing at all.

PS360WII5861d ago

not to meantion last NPD results shows 1 Wii game selling more then all PS3 software for the month... just sayin

Xiru5861d ago

Think about the install base though, Wii has almost 24 million consoles in homes. 360 is 18 million and still gives the Wii a run for its money in software. The best selling Wii games are also casual games, aside from the 1st party games. Taken in context, the 360 sells a broader range of games than the Wii, and the Wii has a bigger install base.

Voiceofreason5861d ago (Edited 5861d ago )

Let me give it to you another way...... Number of 360's in US 11,498,994:Number of Wii's in the US 10,350,259:
Yearly software sales for 360=16,431,522: Yearly sales for Wii software
16,052,740. Even with a million console lead the 360 is only outselling the Wii in software by 430k. You can pull a certain number off just to make the 360 look better like pulling the top 20 only and making it look bad but do the whole top 50 and Wii comes out on top every time. Also notice from your own list that GH3 for Wii is higher on that list than GH3 for 360.. Of 22 games on Wii that all sold over 1 million 9 of them are 3rd party. So again dude you are wrong.You seriously need to look into this stuff more before you speak. If 9 3rd party games have all sold over 1 million on WIi then it isnt just the first party stuff thats selling.

Xiru5861d ago (Edited 5861d ago )

K, just to prove to you that 360 is selling more per week, here is the list of last weeks top 20 games. The 360 has 7 games in the top 20, Wii has 6. Of the 6 Wii games, 5 are 1st party. Care to tell me that 360 isn't selling more 3rd party games again?

Top 20 for this week:
1)Smash - Wii
2)Wii Sports - Wii
3)Cod4 - 360
4)Wii Play - Wii
5)Vegas 2 - 360
6)Crisis Core - PSP
7)Army of Two - 360
8)More Brain Training - DS
9)Galaxy - Wii
10)GH3 - Wii
11)New Super Mario - DS
12)Rock Band - 360
13)Dark Sector - 360
14)Cod4 - PS3
15)Mario Party - DS
16)Pokemon - DS
17)GH3 - 360
18)GoW - PSP
19)MLB 2k8 - 360
20)Links Crossbow training - Wii

Also, total software sales were:

360: 837,860
Wii: 766,150

Oh and on the topic of 1 million more 360's in the US than Wii, how do we know that 1 million people aren't waiting for their 360 to come back from having RRoD? :) 30% of 10 mil = 3 million.

PS360WII5861d ago

so Xiru are you saying 1st party doesn't count? Close numbers considering that the 360 has more units in US.

Xiru5861d ago

I'm just saying, that MS is selling more software all around. Nintendo is only selling 1st party. Which is typical of ANY Nintendo system. And I believe it will stay this way.

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Report Claims Xbox Is Planning More Cuts Following Studio Closures

"The sudden closure of several video-game studios at Microsoft Corp.’s Xbox division was the result of a widespread cost-cutting initiative that still isn’t finished.

This week, Xbox began offering voluntary severance agreements to producers, quality assurance testers and other staff at ZeniMax, which it purchased in 2020 for $7.5 billion, according to people familiar with the company’s plans. Others across the Xbox organization have been told that more cuts are on the way.

Speaking about the closures more broadly, Booty said that the company’s studios had been spread too thin — like “peanut butter on bread” — and that leaders across the division had felt understaffed. They decided to close these studios to free up resources elsewhere, he said.

Game Pass has not seen the massive growth that Xbox boss Phil Spencer may have been hoping for."

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just_looken4h ago

Sense it seems very few remember that human's were around before 2020 the next studio to close will be bethesda based no doubt on the history of.

Fallout 76
Elder scrolls online
elder scrolls blades mobile
fallout mobile
The vr versions of old games

Then you got starfield pissing out cash nothing to cover it.

I doubt tod's team or any sub team is making m$ cash they are no doubt on the chopping block for job cuts

If you can remember before 2020 even fallout 76 was made with over 4 studios.

-Foxtrot6h ago

"Speaking about the closures more broadly, Booty said that the company’s studios had been spread too thin — like “peanut butter on bread” — and that leaders across the division had felt understaffed. They decided to close these studios to free up resources elsewhere, he said"

So what you're saying is...you bought all these studios and you guys can't run them.

Jesus.

Inverno5h ago

Spread thin after firing over 2000 employees a few months prior. So basically they created the problem and their solution was to just fire more people. Absolute geniuses over at Xbox, of course can we even believe this to be the reason for the closures?

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Profchaos4h ago

Leaders can't run them hire more management create new roles don't shutter entire studios cause you can't figure out how to run them.

Unless the reality is this whole consolidation thing was really an excuse for IP harvesting

Eonjay5h ago

Reports are suggesting that Game Pass will be getting a price hike soon and that Call of Duty may not be added to the day one offering. I honestly have a hard time believing this but it does beg the question why exactly did GP fail? I think the answer is that it just didn't get the growth that it anticipated. Jim was right but I wish he wasn't because at the end of the day, its gamers, devs and other front-line workers who have to absorb the blow for Spencer and team's miscalculations.

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NotoriousWhiz4h ago

And out of the ashes something even better than Xbox will be born.

Eonjay4h ago

Honestly as long as is not a situation where the industry has to contract in order focus wealth on a few people who are already trillionaires..

Tacoboto3h ago

I think 2022 killed the Series X.

2021 was a good year for Xbox though and maybe the best in a long long time, hardware and software and as a publisher. Halo Infinite launched to popularity, Forza Horizon 5 blew everyone away, Psychonauts 2 was so well received, Flight Simulator on console, Deathloop even on PS5 & PC.

But they followed that up with next to nothing. Then 2023 with Redfall, a disappointing Forza, Starfield, and 2024 leads with closures and layoffs. And some tweets reminding us Hellblade is days away.

The only disappointment with the PS5 is not enough Sony games. Xbox followed up no games with disappointing ones.

Scissorman5h ago

For all the armchair executives who were calling for Sony to release its big-budget AAA games on PS+, the same exact thing would have happened at PlayStation. Game Pass has killed Xbox. Congrats.

shinoff21835h ago

There's not many of of us clamoring for Sony to do this because most of us understand it would kill Playstation. I'm sure there's a few but I've not seen alot of it myself.

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The Nordic Game 2024 (NG24) Spring conference is to host more than 150 speakers

"While the 20 year anniversary edition of Nordic Game, NG24 Spring's homepage on 21-24 May in Malmö, Sweden, is getting closer, the organizers announced that more than 150 speakers are now lined up for the show." - Nordic Game.

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I Miss When Games Came In Full Package Rather Than Broken Mess Filled With Microtransactions

The gaming industry has drifted away from offering full-fledged games to putting unfinished titles that are jam-packed with microtransactions on the market.

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Christopher2d ago

It's not the fault of the gaming industry. Gamers were told what was happening, were warned about where this would lead, did nothing, and now are acting like it's the fault of publishers that they kept buying these games and investing in MTX. If only those gamers at that time felt as strongly about these things as they do Helldivers 2.

Hugodastrevas2d ago

I don't think MTX target the common gamer but instead predate on the so called "whales". It's gambling pure and simple.

Christopher2d ago

Oh, so it's okay to buy MTX-laden games as long as you don't spend money on MTX, which has led to even more MTX-laden games with even more predatory practices where content that used to be unlocked is now behind paywalls?

C'mon now people. You gave the corporations and inch, and they kept taking and taking. Community members told people that investing in these things alone would only lead to more and more MTX and putting more and more behind paywalls. But it's only the fault of the corporations, not the people who kept supporting it with purchases as more and more was taken away?

Hugodastrevas2d ago

@Christopher that's a straw man, I didn't say any of that I just added context.

-Foxtrot2d ago

Well exactly

People stand up for something which seems small to them and they get called whiners or negative. Then years later the shit hits the fan and they all go “why is this happening?” Like they are innocent.

The issue aswell is younger gamers who grew up with all this thinking it’s normal and we all just look like old farts yelling at clouds when we’re trying to help us all, even them.

Crows901d 14h ago

Who woulda thought that listening to your elders could be a good idea...too late now

Hofstaderman1d 13h ago

It all started with that damn horse armour. Back then I thought nobody was stupid to buy into that crap. How wrong I was....

CrimsonWing691d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

I like how people move the goal-post. First it’s, f*ck any game with MTX’s, f*ck GaaS games, f*ck this game with “optional” MTX’s (Dragon’s Dogma 2), Helldivers 2 is ok because it’s fun and even though it has Battle Passes or Season Passes and MTX’s it’s ok because… you don’t need to buy them? 🤷‍♂️

HellDivers 2 is the best selling game this year. Just think about that, games like FF7 Rebirth sold poorly, but a continuous game that lives off recurring revenue sells extraordinarily well. Then we’ll hear everyone b*tch about a GaaS future.

I really wonder what this industry would’ve been like if we never gave into this crap, and yes I’m saying “WE” since I’m guilty of it, but man it’s literally no closing the door once it’s been opened.

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Hugodastrevas2d ago

This is what amazed me the most when playing hours upon hours of stellar Blade version 1.00.00 no bugs, no crashes, no sudden drops in frames, no screen tear, no falling from the world, just a complete package on a game under 50GB.
I think Korea will play a major role in gaming in the long run , because they're releasing banger after banger.

isarai2d ago

Still pretty common to find if you stay away from the AAA publishers, in the last 10yrs ive probably only bought like 3 games combined from EA/ACTIVISION/UBISOFT. Even now i still buy games that work right out the box perfectly fine. Just recently got like 6hrs into Alone in the Dark, and not a single sign of any of that bs, really enjoying my time with it.

shinoff21832d ago

There's such a misconception about every game needing a patch,this and that when in reality it's not even close. You nailed it isarai

Crows901d 14h ago

It's really only AAA devs and publishers that seem to have these constant problems

z2g1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

And we as gamers have to accept our role in that. Constantly never being satisfied. Constantly demanding more while paying less. Constantly demanding better frame rates, better graphics, more modes and faster faster faster…. Then review bombing the product when a demand isn’t met. Meanwhile those same demands are making games more difficult, complex and more expensive to create than ever before, on shrinking timelines that burn out employees and make their lives miserable.

You wanna know why so many games get delayed? Cuz the original release dates weren’t realistic to begin with, but you can’t tell a gamer their game is further away than they want to hear. Some dev or game designer will be threatened physically. That builds even more pressure and rushing. We are officially squeezing water out of rocks and still complaining about that how hard you have to squeeze the rock be just waiting for rain. Most of the time we take it out on the developing studio, when it’s the publisher making the calls.

All you need to do is read the comments on most websites and social media to see how toxic, entitled and petty the gaming community at large is, and realize how that transforms into impossible expectations on the parts of game makers.

Crows901d 14h ago

Nope. Some gamers are to blame. Never demanded anything you mentioned.

A fully finished and functioning product is a standard. It's not demanded. If someone sells you a tv that only works 60% of the time are you going to recommend it OR write a review calling out the obvious problem...it's not a demand...it's a standard.

A standard triple A publishers can't seem to hit consistently.

thorstein1d 12h ago

You've never heard of planned obsolescence.

HankHill1d 9h ago

I take it you like microtransactions? 🤣

Kinza550121d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

This is one battle that gamers have never won, hahaha. They were parading recently for their "win" against Sony. Where's the energy for this one, guys? LMAO!

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