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Sony’s E3 conference was underwhelming, but Microsoft had a stellar showing

From the article: "We all expected to see Sony come out guns blazing at this year’s E3 showing us games, games and more games. It seemed that way though when it first started when we saw in-depth gameplay footage of FarCry 4, The Order: 1886 and Bloodborne (codenamed Project Beast). But, what followed was surely a yawnfest when Sony had its executives come on stage to talk about tech, PS Vita, PS Now, PS TV and more tech."

Kingthrash3603621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

Click bait article. I understand people have their opinions ...but neither were underwhelming. IMO Sony's show was better.
Why Sony's show was better? Because ms showed most of its conference before e3 which Eliminated any surprises. We knew of uc4 but didn't know how it looked...we though project beast was a DS sequal but turns out it was a new IP. LBP3 was a total surprise and we got to see tlou remake first time in gameplay. R&c for ps4 was a surprise and so was free TV shows...smh ms has surprises too like crack down and a couple indies...but it didn't wow me because I knew and seen most of what ms brought to the table.

miyamoto3621d ago

Uncharted 4 blew everything away! As always Naughty dog ends the PlayStation show with a big in your face bang!

Nitrowolf23621d ago

i find it funny that peopel always complain about their shwo every year. They are the only ones with a two hour show, the first 30 min was packed with games, as was the last 30 minutes. It's like people want a constant two hours of nothing but announcements after game announcements.

PSN-JeRzYzFyNeSt3621d ago

Sony > MS

MS had way less games and it was all of the same besides like 2-3 games what trash article..

nicksetzer13621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

I'd say it is not really click bait, has truth in it, and some opinion. So, for AAA games we have:
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xbox - sunset overdrive, fable legends, quantum break, forza horizon 2, phantom dust, platinum games game, crackdown, halo collection, halo 5 and KI season 2. Along with a good line up of indies.
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ps - blood bourne, uncharted 4, tlou remastered, driveclub, the order, little big planet 3. Along with a good line up of indies.
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MS has a fighter, fps, open world super power game, unique gameplay mechanic (phantom dust), JRPG (I assume), racer, adventure game, and a story driven game (quantum)all exclusive from renowned studios. I prefer MS' showcase, some may not, but it is hard to argue that MS did not have the better show with such variety and quality studios.
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Quite honestly nintendo's potential is most exciting, SSB, Zelda, metroid, etc. Hope they deliver.
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EDIT: Also, all of Andrew House's cheap shots at MS are getting old. He needs to grow up.

NatureOfLogic_3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

Ok, so MS announces half of their E3 early(with the excuse of making room for more E3 games), goes to E3 and show the same games with one or two new announcements and a lot of multiplats that'll be inferior on Xbox One. What am I missing? How is that winning?

georgeenoob3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

What Sony needs to do is make their conference an hour and a half like MS and leave out all the TV and F2P stuff outside of E3. They shouldn't have to torture the audience every year (last year they did much the same) with such boring announcements.

If MS saved Halo 5 guardians, Forza Horizon, the $499 SKU, Quantum Break trailer, and Halo remakes for E3 it would be safe to say MS would've killed E3 without question. I don't know why they didn't.

AceBlazer133621d ago

@nicksetzer thanks for your uninformed statement, did you really just list KI as a AAA game dude? Not so much a problem with you listing it but choosing to leave out stuff like Planet Side 2 and Deep Down (why no appearances Sony) from the PlayStation list.

Then you also ommited Guilty Gear Xrd and Samurai Warriors 4

Always irks me when Xbox fans list KI yet choose to exclude some of the indies and ftp games on PlayStation considering a lot of them are bigger than KI, especially DCUO which actually launched as a retail game originally.

Dee_913621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

I wish I could make an article for my opinion on e3 and post it on N4G. Oh what fun it must be to be a game blogger.

I don't really care about the conferences the games however I am more interested in.
No man's sky was my fav overall, then probably LBP3, that one really shocked me.Witcher, Nurburgring for Forza 5 and tomb raider was all nice.I was stoked to see uncharted, but underwhelmed, I was really hoping for more than that.Oh yea, and pretty much every game Ubisoft showed was awesome..
/My article for N4G

Skips3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

@nicksetzer1

lol! I like how you included an XBL f2p game (Killer Instinct, which is ALREADY OUT) as AAA, and yet somehow you manage to leave out loads of other PS4 exclusives. And not to mention "Season 2" is pretty much just DLC like Infamous: First Light.

MS:
AAA - Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive, Fable Legends, Quantum Break, Forza Horizon 2, Phantom Dust, Scalebound, Crackdown 3, Halo Collection

F2P/XBL - Project Spark, Powerstar Golf, Happy Wars, D4, Cobalt, Habitat

Sony:
AAA - Bloodborne, The Last Of Us, Lilly Bergamo, Uncharted 4, Ratchet & Clank Remastered, The Order 1886, LittleBigPlanet 3, Let It Die, DriveClub, Guilty Gear Xrd, Natural Doctrine, Samurai Warriors 4

F2P/PSN - Planetside 2, Everquest Next, Guns Up, H-Hour, Primal Carnage Genesis, Race The Sun, Soma, Rime, Shadow Of The Beast, Everybody’s Gone To The Rapture, Entwined, Drifter, Without Memory, Deep Down, N++

Sorry kiddo, but we all know which platform has the more interesting lineup of games overall... Not just AAA.

SilentNegotiator3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

@nicksetzer1

Ahh, so I see you're spamming your troll list around that includes DLC on Xbox but not PS4, clumps absolutely every game not by Sony together as "indie", and arbitrarily excludes games like the Ratchet remake (while including Quantum Break, which received the same amount of zero screen time at their conferences).

You fanboys always prove how confident in Xbone you are with stunts like that.

Jeff2573621d ago

I'd like to know why do people always want to include KI Season 2 in these lists but then gloss over the fact that inFamous: First Light is a PS4 exclusive that is coming out in August? It isn't a DLC for Second Son but is a stand alone title that people can play without having ever played or bought Second Son.

Also @ArgumentumAdPopulum I agree. Sony has done the same with announcing stuff before E3 only to show gameplay at E3 and been blasted for it. But now that Microsoft did it they get a pass and people are trying to say they got a "huge win" because of it. BS I say. Microsoft had a good showing but after the disaster they had last year they needed it. Sony's showing was also good but they really should have had some proper footage to show for Powers. Without having that spending that much time on the show was a bit of a waste.

Cupid_Viper_33621d ago

Beyond click bait. I was at the theaters watching it with like 100+ people, and the majority of the people in there responded positively to the show.

I can't believe how excited and loud people got when they showed LPB3, That old school remastered game, which I know nothing about, the Project Beast, and Uncharted 4.

Especially when they showed uncharted 4, you can hear people gasping and sh1t, it was that kind of disbelief going on in there.

Microsoft needed to Wow people in order to move consoles off the shelves. In my opinion, they fell short of that. Sony didn't needed a good showing, and they exceeded that. PS4 are flying off shelves, and I don't see anything from E3 that's going to change that.

Once again, people will vote with their wallets, on who they think has the most to offer. June's numbers should give you an idea of who's winning that vote.

4Sh0w3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

It's all opinion, as a X1 owner I was looking forward to micro's E3 a lot and I thought they delivered mostly, hell take away COD(which I like) and throw in another surprise and it would of been perfect= most of the multi's looked sweet on BOTH platforms, then there were a few very good looking indies on the X1 that I might pick up but I definitely thought micro did well with the pace and showing these games:

SUNSET OVERDRIVE gameplay looked super cool, fun and colorful, every new gameplay vid Insomniac shows for this game just looks cooler and cooler. I don't know what game looks like more fun than SO right now.

FORZA HORIZON 2 looks awesome and theres a bunch of new info and gameplay footage available.

FABLE LEGENDS gameplay was welcomed it actually made Fable look fun again.

PROJECT SPARK once again shows that creative game that never ends.

HALO 5 GUARDIANS CG trailer was badass, its going to be insane when the first next gen Halo hits X1.

CRACKDOWN confirmation was exactly what fans wanted.

PHANTOM DUST and SCALEBOUND were pleasant surprises for me.

*HALO MASTER CHIEF COLLECTION is without a doubt awesome, iconic franchise, 4 games, over 100 maps, all content unlocked, upgraded graphics 1080p 60fps, flip back and forth to classic graphics, dedicated servers, seamless UI to merge all 4 games, Ridley Scott's Halo Nightfall content and finally Halo5 beta coming ALL on X1, ALL for $60.
http://www.engadget.com/201...
-Love the new stuff but that's just an insane value and if you're a Halo fan its pure gaming gold. Great E3 for me!

Skips3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

@georgeenoob

Response to your personal message that was sent to me. Unfortunately you blocked me before I could reply. (In which I returned the favor).

"Yet you don't include ID@Xbox which is 25+ added titles to indies. Lilly, Guilty Gear, Natural Doctrine, Samurai Warriors are games are NOT AAA and are small games no one heard of."

Then how about you name those 25+ indies for me bud?

And btw, are you slow or do you not know the difference in popularity between different territories? These are Japanese centric games which are DEFINITELY "known" in Japan, but not so much in the US. How can you say a game isn't AAA just because it's not popular in the specific region you live in?

You say they aren't AAA and yet, in the same breathe consider Killer Instinct (which is just a mediocre 2D XBL downloadable) as AAA? Hell while we're at it. How about we not consider Phantom Dust JUST because it's an old IP nobody bought or ever heard of on the OG Xbox and probably won't either on the One?

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dedicatedtogamers3621d ago

The only people who thought Microsoft's showing was "stellar" are people who already own or already want the Xbox One. Seriously, what did they show off?

CGI trailers (no real gameplay) for the only three newly announced exclusive? (Scalebound, Crackdown, and Phantom Dust)

Multiplatform footage that will look better on the competition?

Games like Forza Horizon 2 and Halo Anniversary that we already knew was coming?

UnHoly_One3620d ago

Well Said, 4show.

Honestly, I think the Master Chief Collection "won" E3 all by itself.

Matchmaking across 4 of the best multiplayer games ever on 100 maps?? Sony's never had anything that good.

I'm not even a huge Halo fan and that announcement dominates everything.

The best thing Sony showed was Dead Island 2. Which I will happily play on my Xb1. I'll give up exclusive content to play with a decent controller.

I really thought Sony had the worst conference I've seen since the All-Kinect x360 years.

BallsEye3620d ago

I find it funny how 1 in-engine cut-scene (in-engine is not in-game let's not forget) makes the show for people on n4g. When MS had less games more features-tv talk it was bad. Now when MS shows pure 90 minutes of games it's bad. When Sony talks tv, apps, vita and hardly any games it's great. Really guys? Just admit you only own a ps4 thus the verdict. MS conference showed me I'll have TONS of games to play STILL THIS YEAR.

mcarsehat3620d ago

comments like this prove that discussing thing on N4G'S comment section is useless.

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AngelicIceDiamond3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

@King you need to distinguish what it click bait and what's not I read the article and trust me its not click bait.

Sony did great but I agree with this.

"All in all, it’s not to say that Sony’s E3 conference was a fail since they had a good many highlights too including the YouTube announcement and the Uncharted 4 trailer. But, when you weigh both sides of the camp, it’s no doubt that Microsoft’s press conference was more game focused and they didn’t deviate from that path."

Plus 2 more unannounced games are coming from MS tomorrow.

I'm not tryin to sway you from your opinion but understand what MS has is pretty amazing as well. If Sony won to you then Sony won. But if Sony didn't win to somebody else then they didn't win to them no need to get super defensive.

3 years ago everyone and the media agreed that Sony took E3's but this time around ppl are startin to talk a little more.

MS announcements got leaked as early as Feb. Its not MS fault but the weight of the announcements are still there as well as the hype.

Godmars2903621d ago

"Plus 2 more unannounced games are coming from MS tomorrow."

How are you count something that going to happen tomorrow towards *THIS* conference?

And I'll given MS the "Win" on this one over Sony, but the truth is this conference is both no different than last years and makes the same mistake as last year.

MS's conference was literally no different then which was also game centric, but it doesn't have ignored DRM stank hanging on it. Likewise there is no real notion about MS plans to long term, other than damage control. Just say whatever it is they have to move consoles, then possibly go back to what they were doing wrong once they've hooked enough people.

ziggurcat3621d ago

@angelicicediamond:

"Sony’s E3 conference was underwhelming, but Microsoft had a stellar showing"

if you can't see how the title alone is click bait... well...

AngelicIceDiamond3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

@Mars "Just say whatever it is they have to move consoles, then possibly go back to what they were doing wrong once they've hooked enough people."

At the end of the day that's what your gonna run back to clearly. MS can have 2 more great E3's and that will always be your excuse.

Just say you'll never buy the console, simple. No need for the excuses using DRM has as usual last minute crutch in your argument when you can't find anything to complain about its tired and boring now.

Godmars2903621d ago

*sigh*

Right now my feelings for the PS4 are just about the same as the X1. While the PS4 likely will be my 8th gen console choice, I'll probably buy a WiiU beforehand because of "X" and the DL library.

At this point I think both the Xbox and PS camps are nothing but fanatical graphic whores who have lost all meaningful perspectives on games. PC as well just buy and play them out of habit while lording the differences of "their" games over the other camps.

Kavorklestein3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

You totally fed Mars his foot.
Notice how he/she sighs and then "reveals" some B.S. about how he/she "Doesn't care anyway" just because he walked into his own blatant fanboy trap? HE/she Even went as far as saying he/she doesn't own a next gen console.

So then what is your issue, Mars? If people are graphics whores, and it "bugs" you that people "lord over differences" and people have lost "all meaningful perspective" then why are you clinging to labels like damage control, and if you don't think BOTH companies will say whatever they gotta say to move consoles, then hopefully someday you figure this simple shit out.... And it is simple... Quit hating just to hate, form your OWN opinions, and don't hide behind flaws that don't exist anymore. They got rid of DRM, they got rid of kinect (which some were calling an NSA surveillance device for Pete's sake) and lowered the price, and THEY had youtube before PS4, and Sony spent a good chunk of time blabbing about youtube app... in their conference, which is fine, all consoles have pro's and con's and usually imitate the competition, (especially when it's a no brainer app that cell phones have lol)
If anything YOU are damage controlling your own flawed perspective on what makes a game console "FUN" or worth 400 bucks.

And this goes for all the rest of the flip floppers around here....
If MS can charge 399.99 for the 360 which is FAR less capable or feature filled than the XB1, which now has a blu-ray drive and 360 never did... then why can't they charge that much for an XB1?

I mean, if you want a decent ipad with enough storage, you're looking damn near close to that territory in pricing, so given market inflation/economy problems (especially since 2008) why can't a FAR more superior/capable/valuable console than the 360 go for the same price?

I mean, at least MS didn't do what Sony did with the PS3, and charge 399.99 for the "get away from me, you suck!" version, and 599.99 for the version people actually wanted.

I'm not saying either is "bad" mind you...
I'm simply saying when it comes to gaming, be realistic, be patient, be optimistic, and remember that even with a deficit in sales compared to the PS4, the Xbox 1 isn't going anywhere.

Keep Calm and enjoy life. Enjoy gaming.
Whatever game, whatever system.

Stop trying to compare "Digital Cocks" online, because, as the PC gamers like to remind us, "Somebody always has a bigger cock then you."

It's not about biggest/best/fastest.
Just have fun and enjoy the ride!
It's about finding the right "Fit" for you.

*Double Entendre closing statements FTW

vega2753620d ago

@ ziggurcat

Because Sony's presentation was underwhelming. The only game that saved it was uncharted 4 from being a total snurfest. All before Sony's presser everyone was complaining about CGI trailers and multiplats from ms. Yet sony did the same plus talk tv, tect, tv. Yet all ms showed was games games and more games.

Most of sony games was leaked also. Only one was a surprise was LBP3. Nothing sony had was of interest in my opinion and left me feeling like I dont need a ps4 until uncharted comes out. The order looked weak from that demo and demonblood is another souls game (which quite frankly is getting stale) we all already knew uncharted was going to be announced so there was no surprise there.

Sony lost this one like they did last year when ms brought games to E3.which is what everyone was complaining aboutfor ms to do and they did it without Kinect or any other fillers.

styferion3620d ago

Right, because when a 1-hour show shows all game it's more game focused than 2-hour show with more than 1-hour used to show games.

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truefan13621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

Kingthrash it's killing you to know sony laid an egg. Also you fail to take into account how big of an advantage it is to go last. MSFT showed way more and better games, not to mention 2014. No matter how you slice it Sunset Overdrive, Halo Collection, and Forza Horizon 2 >>> tlou remastered after 10 months, lbp3, and driveclub(didn't even have confidence to show it). Also those middle 40 minutes killed their show, statistics, tv, and movies are you kidding me. Sony underwhelmed the majority, only the most faithful won't admit that.

You should be happy MSFT didn't put all their eggs in one basket, because D4, Quantum Break, 3 Japanese exclusives, Gears, and Halo 5 gameplay was all withheld.

Not to mention sony took 3 cheapshots at MSFT, which is just getting pathetic, the camera, the free to play joke, and 1 more that slips my mind. Even the crowd seemed annoyed.

Kingthrash3603621d ago

No actually I'm happy with them...its just funny how just because ms failed their reveal last year that y'all try to put Sony in ms's shoes. Not gunna happen. E3 is a electronic expo...not a gaming expo. Sony has features to show and had an extra 30 minutes to show it. They showed more games and more features overall and they won easily. Ms had to show all games because they lost last year with the fail at the reveal DRM and the overpriced price tag. Sony can show new features like youTube free PS+ TV shows and psnow. Because e3 is about more than games. A reveal of a gaming console is about games..let not mix the two.

creatchee3621d ago

The free to play joke fell hilariously flat on its face when it was followed immediately by a screen that said "some features available for a fee".

Ultraplayerxp3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

Not really. It's common sense to assume that a f2p game gets its profits from in-game markets or services. Have you never played planetside, hearthstone or Dota 2? It seriously makes me laugh when people mention that the f2p failed because it had that line at the bottom.

ALLWRONG3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

"E3 is a electronic expo...not a gaming expo"

(((Achievement Unlocked))) Irony

ziggurcat3621d ago

@ truefan1:

the only one dying here is you since you've managed to make a point of downplaying sony's presentation every chance you can take in, what i can only assume, a futile attempt to ease the pain.

"Not to mention sony took 3 cheapshots at MSFT, which is just getting pathetic ... Even the crowd seemed annoyed."

oh, please link us to the direct feed of the camera pointed directly at the audience looking annoyed - the audience who was hooting/hollering/cheering way more than the audience during the MS presentation. you have a tendency to make egregiously false assumptions that only make you look like a blithering fool who doesn't think before he types.

styferion3620d ago (Edited 3620d ago )

because when driveclub isn't showed it's called not having confidence but when it's MS games it's called withhelding their bullets, logic at it's finest.

also, where are these games you said they make announcement pre E3 to make room for? all I see is mere 3 CGI trailer, while Sony literally shows in-game visuals for every games except Bloodborne.

it's also funny how you mention Sony's lucky MSFT didn't show all it's game when clearly Sony also did that with many of their first-party studios.

Also Sony had 2-hour show people, more than 1-hour of which used to show games and people count 1-hour MS show as more game focused..

conclusion:
Both shows are mediocre, what's with lame MS "announcing all these games pre-E3" to make room for 3 CGI trailer of which no in-game visuals shown whatsoever, and Sony keeps withholding their new first-party rosters and making me sleepy as f**k with the service thing.
But both have some good showing with MS's SO and Halo collection, Sony's UC and LBP, and the new exclusives from both shows.

What's stellar is the multiplats, The Witcher 3 gameplay, Farcry 4 gameplay, Rise of Tomb Raider, and so on.

LeCreuset3620d ago

"Kingthrash it's killing you to know sony laid an egg... Sony underwhelmed the majority, only the most faithful won't admit that."

Truefan, show me one of your posts from right after last year's E3 in which you "admit" MS "laid an egg" and "underwhelmed the majority." Otherwise, I, along with rational people, will just have to conclude that this E3, like so many others, was underwhelming for any but you and the comparatively few MS "faithful," while the majority continues to pass on Xbox.

creatchee3620d ago

@Ultraplayerxp

"It seriously makes me laugh when people mention that the f2p failed because it had that line at the bottom."

The guy said: "our free to play MEANS free to play." It was a joke or jab or barb or whatever at Microsoft. It failed because when somebody takes the time to enunciate and repeat something for emphasis, they are typically doing so because they are stating unequivocal fact. When he said that line, any person watching would assume that a free to play game shouldn't cost them anything for any reason. And not only wasn't that the case, but it was proven not to be the case almost immediately.

Bottom line - if you're going to be snarky at your competition, be sure you have a reason to be snarky in the first place.

LeCreuset3620d ago

@creatchee

It really comes down to rudimentary language comprehension.

What the screen said:

"Some features available for a fee"

Your gripe:

"The guy said: 'our free to play MEANS free to play...' When he said that line, any person watching would assume that a free to play game shouldn't cost them anything for any reason."

Incorrect. Free-to-play means, reasonable people interpret it to mean, and gamers know it to mean, that the game is free to play, which it is. Can the game be played at no cost? Then it's free to play. This is really simple stuff. You are conflating "free to play" with "some features" being available for a fee, which is not only factually wrong, but a petty, desperate argument to make given that gamers know how free-to-play operates.

incredibleMULK3620d ago

Bubbles up. Look at all the disagrees, what a bunch of butt hurt losers. I admit Ms stomped Sony yesterday, I'm still a Sony fan boy. I admit defeat. Its not like I screwed up the performance. So I ain't taking it personal.

Reasons to be concerned for Sony,

They keep pushing back drive club
Uncharted3 came out in 2011 and part 4 ain't coming out until 15. Usually sequels only take 2 years.
Indies.
Indies.
Firing everybody.
Closing zipper studios.
Closing Santa Monica studios.
Selling off major assets.
Indies...smh
Dlc
Now that they have plus revenue they ARE sitting on their asses just like the old Xbox crew were doing with the 360 milking their fan boys.

You better learn to like call of duty because that's about all you're getting while Sony is trying to get out of that financial pit they're stuck in

creatchee3620d ago

@LeCreuset

I know what free to play means. You know what free to play means. Most gamers know what free to play means. That is not the point. The point is that there is a funny irony when somebody goes out of their way to take a shot at their competitor when they still want you to spend money on something that is "free to play".

Candy Crush is free to play, yet King makes around $850,000 in in-app purchases PER DAY. Does that sound free to you? Oh sure, it's all optional, but to get the experience of actually PLAYING, as opposed to either using a glorified demo or waiting for things as expensive as a life, you have to PAY.

Free to play, whether on Sony, Microsoft, PC, or mobile, is anything but.

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maniacmayhem3621d ago

Both were underwhelming.

MS won by a small margin because of the type of games they shown. Crackdown and Phantom Dust alone are two classics that everyone has been asking for a return.
Ori looked very heart warming and excellent. Inside to me is what really blew me away as I am a huge Limbo fan. The art direction and gameplay for that was haunting in a beautiful way. More info on Project Spark, plus the use of anyone using Conker was a nice bonus. Plus the reveal of Platinum's game which they are my favorite developer.

The only surprise out of Sony was LBP3 and Suda 51's game, everything else we already knew about. I mean literally everything else we knew about that Sony announced. No Man's Sky was a very pleasant surprise but it's a timed exclusive. The rest was all timed or exclusive DLC.

And that was another problem, both shows spent a tremendous amount of time on multiplat games as if they were exclusive to that platform.

Godmars2903621d ago

At the very least, Phantom Dust is only a name of an underground and undersold title from the first Xbox. There's no clue as to what this version will play like or even if its of the same genre. Its even being done by a European rather than Japanese dev.

zeuanimals3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

No Man's Sky is a timed exclusive but so is Inside.

"Limbo developer Playdead has finally revealed its upcoming game, Inside, which will be an Xbox One timed-exclusive."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Grim Fandango and the original Ratchet and Clank are classics, they came as surprises, and they're both being remade. Crackdown was teased, like Bloodborne, but Bloodborne had a ton of things leaked that would've been a surprise to see.

We also didn't know about ABZU or Let it Die!

Both conferences are about even except Sony had more details about things like PSNow. They also touched on the Vita/Vita TV and PS3 a bit.

I agree that both should've had less 3rd party stuff (from EA and Ubi), but some 3rd party stuff can't be shown anywhere else, like Batman Arkham Knight, Evolve, etc. E3 should have a 3rd party conference for smaller publishers to have their games on instead of relying on Sony/MS. They can't show their games at EA or Ubi's conferences because that would confuse people into thinking those games were made by EA or Ubi.

maniacmayhem3615d ago

@Godmars

The original director Yukio Futatsugi is working on the game. So I have no doubt it will retain the same type of feel the original had.

Goro3621d ago

I didn't notice any graphical difference at all in TLOU Remastered.

mkis0073620d ago

LMAO Don't admit that!!

Vegamyster3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

I personally felt the pacing was crap, all the Youtube, TV, Twitch, Comics stuff ect should have been done outside of E3.

Retroman3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

only thing surprised me about MS conference was Conker . rest same ol same ol from previous years open world shooters . LBP 3 was impressive along with R&C up coming 2015 title . by then i'll purchase ps4

rainslacker3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

well...you know some people are going to focus on that "30 minutes" in the middle and ignore all the stuff they showed otherwise. They dropped the ball on that part, but the amount of time spent on games was equal between the two conferences. But realistically, when you spend the first hour thinking, "They're crushing MS", that half hour doesn't take that away really.

Which one showed the best games in the best way is just a matter of opinion.

lelo3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

"Sony’s E3 conference was underwhelming, but Microsoft had a stellar showing"

I wouldn't say Sony's E3 was underwhelming, but I expected a better conference from them. Middle of the conference was a snooze fest. As for Microsoft's conference, it was a good one, better then I expected. Microsoft's E3 conferences normally aren't that good.

I would rate Microsoft's conference a 7/10 and Sony's a 6/10.

ITPython3620d ago (Edited 3620d ago )

Sony's show was amazing. Games, games, and more games. Mostly exclusive as well, unlike MS's show which unveiled mostly multiplat games that will inevitably perform and look better on the PS4. Lol, MS's show was more an advertisement for the PS4 than it was the XB1.

I hope everybody votes down the site the article is on, as it is clear they are devote MisterX followers.

sinspirit3620d ago

Sony e3 2014:

AAA:
- InFamous
- LittleBIGPlanet
- Uncharted 4
- Bloodborne

Indie:
- No Man's Sky(so far is only for PS4, PC)
- Abzu
- Let It Die
- Hotline Miami 2
- and tons more.

Remakes/remasters:
- Grim Fandango
- Ratchet and Clank
- The Last of Us

Free-To-Play:
- Kingdom Under Fire II
- Planetside 2
- War Thunder
- and more.

_____________________________ ________________________

Microsoft e3 2014:

AAA:
- Forza
- Sunset Overdrive
- Crackdown
- Halo 5(Halo 4 and after are just milked spinoffs.)

Other:
- Fable Legends(multiplayer spinoff...)
- Project Spark
- KI:Season 2(just a rerelease..)

Indie:
- Inside
- Ori
- and a couple more.

Remakes/remasters:
- Halo
- Phantom Dust

_____________________________ ___________________________

Sony showed more in-engine videos. Sony had more surprises. MS continues to keep milking Halo, Fable, and Forza every e3. Really needed to show Quantum Break, though I don't personally look forward to it, seems like a generic thriller and I'm not a fan of games that try and make up how quantum theory works, tends to either be a cheap thriller or give obvious plotholes.

Sony didn't talk about big titles like Deep Down and DriveClub, nor have they touched on anything in development from Guerilla Games, Sony Santa Monica, Polyphony Digital, Sony Bend, Quantic Dream, Liverpool, etcetera. They also likely have some more exclusive contracts with 3rd party developers like they do with FromSoftware, such as Level-5 and Lightbox Interactive for example.

bosoxs5053620d ago

You act like Microsoft has no other developers.

sinspirit3620d ago

@bosoxs505

Feel free to list any.

They don't have many proven AAA studios, and the ones they do have are already working on known games. Telling people that these unknown studios are working on big things would be complete assumptions at this point.

IrishSt0ner3620d ago

InFamous is there for DLC, why not add the DR3 DLC into the X1 list then? Since when did Little Big Planet become AAA? Where's Scalebound? Where's Dance Central?

'A couple more indies'.. What like: Aztez, Knight Squad, Plague Inc. Evolved, White Night, Earthlock, Cuphead, Hyper Light Drifter, Lifeless Planet, Slash Dash, Fru, Lovers in a Dangerous Spacetime, Mighty No. 9, Grave, Woolfe, #IDARB, Hellraid, Below.

You make a category for OTHER for some Xbox exclusives, that's what we call BIASED. I often wonder do people even know they're doing it... Anyway my most anticipated games were all multiplats, and my current favourite games are multiplats, so logic tells me I'll need a PS4 (or great PC if I can afford one).

sinspirit3620d ago (Edited 3620d ago )

@IrishSt0ner

It is an InFAMOUS standalone game that also unlocks more content if you own InFAMOUS: Second Son. The scale of content and that it's a widely popular title that has worldwide releases makes it AAA.

LittleBIGPlanet has been AAA.. That's like saying Mario isn't AAA.

That is why I listed Fable Legends, Project Spark, and KI: Season 2 under other. They aren't giant games. Two are multiplayer based spinoffs of a franchise and one is a creation tool that can make simple games.

I guess you could put Scalebound on the list, but it has zero gameplay and as far as I know no reference for how it's going to be. It was just a CGI trailer.

I made a category for other, because they were exclusive, not indie, and also not AAA...

Yeah... I was reading articles without a complete list of the indie titles. So yes, it has more than a couple indie games. If I was reading complete lists then I would have listed a number for total indie games.

I didn't list a DLC section because 1. InFAMOUS: Last Light is a standalone title, it simply benefits from owning Second Son. 2. Because, I didn't want to start comparing multiplatform games. 3. Because, the list of games is about even. There isn't much DLC to list off so I would just list it all and it would unbalance the comparison.

IrishSt0ner3620d ago

Oh okay didn't realise it was a whole new game, I thought it was similar to Far Cry Blood Dragon, which was only an add-on.

I find it strange calling LBP triple A (even though it's an awesome game) and calling Project Spark a small game which by any comparison is on much larger scale in scope and ability, not to mention cross-platform.

Indies was just an added thing don't really care for them personally.

I'm glad you didn't address dance central lol my god shouldn't even have added it... list felt a bit biased but yea I agree overall it's about even. I felt MS conference was all stuff we already knew, and PS went too heavy on indies, and both rely MAINLY on multiplats... which is sad for me as an X1 owner for obvious reasons.

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Pogmathoin3620d ago

They both showcased the games coming, with a Lil surprise here and there.... Gamers won..... Losers can fight over imaginary battle... No man's sky looked incredible..... On PS4 first, so that's where I buy it first,.

medman3620d ago

Sony definitely showed more games I'm interested in buying, and that's where the argument begins and ends for me. They showed some great first parties (Uncharted, The Order, Bloodbourne!!!), some indies, some phenomenal third parties (Batman...wow..farcry...wow... GTAV!!), and managed to fit in tech with vita tv, some vita, psnow, morpheus, etc. etc. I loved it. It got a bit long winded in the middle, but I can forgive considering what they showed. It was fantastic. I also enjoyed Microsoft's showing, but the games I may be interested in for that console didn't show, particularly Quantum Break and Halo 5...and please don't tell me we saw Halo 5. Nevertheless, it was a good show by all.

RobLoPR3620d ago

Free TV? You must have seen another E3 cause Sony didnt metion any price for PSNow or PlaystationTV.

saint_seya3620d ago

The 99$ on psvita tv is not the price? What are you talking about?

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Thatguy-3103621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

Sony does this every year. They always have a portion of the conference that isn't gaming related. Nothing new. People act like this is a first which truly isn't. Crowd reaction would just go to show which one had a better showing and unveiling of games. Listen to the crowd when
LBP3/No man sky/Uncharted/Bloodborne/Grim Fadango remake were announced and show me a similar reaction from a Microsoft announcement.

Sitdown3621d ago

Just going off top, but you don't think the Halo collection announcement had a similar response?

Thatguy-3103621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

that's it though and that was already known.

Ultraplayerxp3621d ago

Thank you! People still act so surprised when Sony does their 'Update' portion. It's a trade show people! Think MWC or CES. Sony balances showing games and giving a heads up to what's actually going on at PlayStation. It's called transparency.

LeCreuset3620d ago

Disappointed Xbox loyalists are trying to retroactively hold Sony to the standard they and MS had to advertise for the Xbox conference.

MS' conference came with all of this hype about megatons after megatons and so little time to show them all. The MS camp hyped everyone into believing their E3 would be stellar because they NEEDED everyone to believe their E3 would be stellar, with few hooks to hang their hat on after Titan Fall failed to move units and the loss of the Xbox's identity.

So they said, out of necessity dictated by Xbox sales, that their E3 would be all about games. Technically, it was true, but not without a bit of deception. They delivered games—most of which consisted of previous E3 appearances, CGI, and third party. It was much like the essay a student inserts copious amounts of fluff into to stretch to the word/page limit. Now, disappointed loyalists are trying to hold Sony's longer conference to the hype MS fed them, but didn't deliver on.

Dudebro903621d ago

Man I know! Those Uncharted and Bloodborne game play videos were epic...oh wait....

Better luck next time.

Tony-A3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

Yes. It is a well known fact that those two trailers were the only ones shown at the conference.

-_-

Most of the trailers shown at Sonys conference were gameplay. Far Cry 4 and Arkham Knight alone were two big gameplay reveals.

snipermk03621d ago

But Arkham knight and FarCry 4 are NOT sony exclusives. So your point?

SuperBlunt3621d ago

what did we see that you could pass as gameplay besides sunset overdrive?

TheFanboySlayer3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

@Dudebro90
We already know what Project Beast is gonna look like because of the leaked GIFs and Uncharted was in-engine.....Better Luck Next time

JackVagina3621d ago

MS had 6 CG trailers (crack down, scalebound, phantom dust, tomb raider, Pspark, Halo 5)

Sony had 2 (dead island, bloodborne)

Uncharted was in-engine running on a PS4

ThanatosDMC3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

Lol, since when was there ever a CGI trailer for Uncharted? The games are that good, I guess.

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Fireseed3621d ago

Hey at least they didn't try to pass the CGI off as game play...

AGaryColemanClone3621d ago

OMG

Way to make a complete fool of yourself.

Killzone 2 reveal trailer side by side with direct feed PS3 realtime footage:

http://www.forumla.de/attac...

Nailed it.

The single most epic ownage in all of gaming. Love it.

sinspirit3620d ago

That was, and always has been, stated as a target render. Meaning, this is what they were aiming for the game to look like, and in many areas it seemingly improved upon it, especially the lighting.

coolbeans3620d ago

@sinspirit

"That was, and always has been, stated as a target render."

Incorrect. After its showing, we were falsely informed by Jack Tretton at one point of that trailer actually being "real gameplay everybody's seeing out there" in an interview made with IGN.

http://www.vg247.com/2011/0...

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Sitdown3621d ago

Not sure if it was because I was at the Sony E3 experience.... But the Sony conference did a little more for me. Definitely reminded me of the many games that Sony can bring to the table, and how diverse their games are.

majiebeast3621d ago

Bunch of CG trailers for 2016 games and multiplats that will run better on PS4 yeah sorry thats not stellar.

AngelicIceDiamond3621d ago

Ok but who has more AAA exclusive games announced?

majiebeast3621d ago

Why AAA? The best games shown were indies from both sides for Sony no man's sky and for Microsoft Inside.

AAA both really didn't have a good show Ubisoft once again beat both.

miyamoto3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

The "AAA game necessarily means great" misinformation needs to really stop. That mind set of Microsoft almost killed console gaming and many small developers & publishers.

Good thing the Wii, mobile gaming, and indie games stepped in and became hugely popular to stop Microsoft's 'only the strong and wealthy survives'. That is a sinister aristocratic agenda of M$ money hatting developers & publishers left and right last generation. Killed off many middle sized game developers in the process.

Before M$ DRM agenda was thwarted last E3, the AAA agenda was thwarted first. Thank goodness.

Gaming has never been in a better position now that a second video game crash was prevented.

maniacmayhem3621d ago

They won't RUN better on PS4, but they will look slightly better on PS4.

torchic3621d ago

what's the difference?

maniacmayhem3621d ago

Huge difference in wording, when you say "run" better that implies that the X1 will have problems handling the game as in bugs, glitches or freezes unique only to the X1 system. And that's just not true, both consoles has run multiplats the same and has experienced the same issues.

The only difference has been the resolution.

AJ Hartley3621d ago

Well if it doesn't look as good then it can't handle it aswell, jackass !

maniacmayhem3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

@AJ

0_o

Ok i'll take the bait, what games can't the Xbox One handle?

Edit:
Again, I'll ask the same question...what games can't the Xbox One handle aswell?

Obviously you have at least one example of a game not running as well on the Xbox One compared to the Ps4 because the Xbox One couldn't handle it right?

AJ Hartley3621d ago

No bait at all just if a game doesn't handle aswell it's not going to look as good visually everyone knows that stop trying to make it sound a different way.

mkis0073620d ago

@maniac : Run better as in the more stable framerate.

maniacmayhem3620d ago

Which game can Xbox One not handle because it doesn't look as good as it's PS4 counterpart??

No one can answer my question? All I see are disagrees and the little explanations I have gotten make little sense, especially when I asked for an example to prove it.

I pretty much thought so though.

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Report Claims Xbox Is Planning More Cuts Following Studio Closures

"The sudden closure of several video-game studios at Microsoft Corp.’s Xbox division was the result of a widespread cost-cutting initiative that still isn’t finished.

This week, Xbox began offering voluntary severance agreements to producers, quality assurance testers and other staff at ZeniMax, which it purchased in 2020 for $7.5 billion, according to people familiar with the company’s plans. Others across the Xbox organization have been told that more cuts are on the way.

Speaking about the closures more broadly, Booty said that the company’s studios had been spread too thin — like “peanut butter on bread” — and that leaders across the division had felt understaffed. They decided to close these studios to free up resources elsewhere, he said.

Game Pass has not seen the massive growth that Xbox boss Phil Spencer may have been hoping for."

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just_looken3h ago

Sense it seems very few remember that human's were around before 2020 the next studio to close will be bethesda based no doubt on the history of.

Fallout 76
Elder scrolls online
elder scrolls blades mobile
fallout mobile
The vr versions of old games

Then you got starfield pissing out cash nothing to cover it.

I doubt tod's team or any sub team is making m$ cash they are no doubt on the chopping block for job cuts

If you can remember before 2020 even fallout 76 was made with over 4 studios.

-Foxtrot4h ago

"Speaking about the closures more broadly, Booty said that the company’s studios had been spread too thin — like “peanut butter on bread” — and that leaders across the division had felt understaffed. They decided to close these studios to free up resources elsewhere, he said"

So what you're saying is...you bought all these studios and you guys can't run them.

Jesus.

Inverno4h ago

Spread thin after firing over 2000 employees a few months prior. So basically they created the problem and their solution was to just fire more people. Absolute geniuses over at Xbox, of course can we even believe this to be the reason for the closures?

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Profchaos3h ago

Leaders can't run them hire more management create new roles don't shutter entire studios cause you can't figure out how to run them.

Unless the reality is this whole consolidation thing was really an excuse for IP harvesting

scareduser10m ago(Edited 9m ago)

Well just_looken is gone again

Everyone watch out crhistopher is online ready to defend his god sony

Anything remotely negative towards this company or any mention that is not praise you will be banned asap.

@Inverno

He mentioned that after the launch but also said they never took charge that is why they took the reigns now.

Well i will get banned now lates

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Eonjay4h ago

Reports are suggesting that Game Pass will be getting a price hike soon and that Call of Duty may not be added to the day one offering. I honestly have a hard time believing this but it does beg the question why exactly did GP fail? I think the answer is that it just didn't get the growth that it anticipated. Jim was right but I wish he wasn't because at the end of the day, its gamers, devs and other front-line workers who have to absorb the blow for Spencer and team's miscalculations.

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NotoriousWhiz3h ago

And out of the ashes something even better than Xbox will be born.

Eonjay3h ago

Honestly as long as is not a situation where the industry has to contract in order focus wealth on a few people who are already trillionaires..

Tacoboto2h ago

I think 2022 killed the Series X.

2021 was a good year for Xbox though and maybe the best in a long long time, hardware and software and as a publisher. Halo Infinite launched to popularity, Forza Horizon 5 blew everyone away, Psychonauts 2 was so well received, Flight Simulator on console, Deathloop even on PS5 & PC.

But they followed that up with next to nothing. Then 2023 with Redfall, a disappointing Forza, Starfield, and 2024 leads with closures and layoffs. And some tweets reminding us Hellblade is days away.

The only disappointment with the PS5 is not enough Sony games. Xbox followed up no games with disappointing ones.

Scissorman4h ago

For all the armchair executives who were calling for Sony to release its big-budget AAA games on PS+, the same exact thing would have happened at PlayStation. Game Pass has killed Xbox. Congrats.

shinoff21834h ago

There's not many of of us clamoring for Sony to do this because most of us understand it would kill Playstation. I'm sure there's a few but I've not seen alot of it myself.

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Xbox Has Had More Studio Closures Than First Party Game Releases So Far In 2024

Twisted Voxel writes: "We've almost reached the end of the 1st half of 2024, and Xbox has had more studio closures than first party game releases in the year so far."

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KicksnSnares19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

Hellblade 2, Indiana Jones, Avowed, Towerborne, and Call of Duty are still to be released this year. Marcus Fenix collection to be added to the list with the Xbox showcase, hopefully.

anast16h ago

Those are all coming to PS5 too.

Tech511h ago

"Xbox Has Had More Studio Closures Than First Party Game Releases So Far In 2024"

they kept the IPs though. they'll be making them under the MS brand i'm guessing. like minecraft all those years ago.

solideagle15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

the keyword is so Far...

on topic: Ouch!

Hedstrom13h ago

Kinda missing the forest for all the trees statement!

shinoff218313h ago(Edited 13h ago)

Bet all those don't make it though this year

romulus2312h ago(Edited 12h ago)

If we're going to talk in "still to be's" there still could be more studio closures from Microsoft this year as well.

DOMination-9h ago

How much confidence do people have in these games being good though? I hope they will be (especially Avowed) but from what we know of them so far, it's hardly a guarantee, is it?

And even if they do turn out to be good, how much of that will be down to Xbox and its leadership? Most of these games were either sequels to games made before being acquired or started development before being acquired.

And just a note on Hellblade II - it is out in two weeks and unless I'm missing something, I don't see much in the way of previews or advertising from Microsoft. Not ideal for a niche game that looks like it probably cost a lot of money to make. It genuinely feels like another game being sent out to die and then have the studio shut down.

Elda8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

To me...Avowed graphics look cheap, the game looks generic as well as boring.

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anast16h ago

Popcorn is good. Anyone want some?

anast12h ago

I wouldn't mind a caramel and cinnamon mix actually.

dumahim11h ago

That does sound good. I have trouble just finding caramel corn.

anast7h ago

I find it interesting that people have to resort to praising how they were randomly born in a certain location to say they're not weird. But, I'm not sure this kind of stupidity can be generalized over an entire group of people, at least, I'm being optimistic here.

Eonjay15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

Sony doesn't have to bother fighting the next Microsoft acquisition. The massive layoff by themselves should be enough to get the next big buy blocked.

Hofstaderman14h ago

Vindicates Jim Ryan. Don't know who didnt see this coming except those frothing pro acquisition fanboys who are not commenting here for some reason....

Tacoboto13h ago

What did happen to Obscure?

Tody_ZA13h ago

Obscure is working on his thesis on how to spin this.

Elda12h ago

Exactly. Where is the mayor & spokesperson of XB?

badz14912h ago

Obsecure where are you? Don't tell us Phil fired you too

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MatrixxGT11h ago

Let’s not pretend Sony is setting the world on fire with its first party either….it’s been crickets from them as well. In fact they even said not to expect any at all this year.
MS is a dumpster fire and Sony isn’t fighting anymore and it shows. I fail to see how this is a good thing.

Skuletor6h ago

Wasn't it no new existing IP entries? That would still leave room for new IPs, maybe we'll see one or more of those this year.

Sonic188111h ago

I was actually thinking about that. You beat me to it

MrDead15h ago

So if MS hadn't spent $80 billion consolidating the industry just think of all the games and jobs that would have saved.

MS is a drain on gaming and have been nothing but a negative.

MrCrimson13h ago

not exactly like the studios were putting out good games anyway. Industry needs to restart from the ground up; if games like battlebit or manor lords can be made by teams with 10 people - then there's something fundamentally wrong with having 500 man teams put out glitchy overmonetized crap.

shinoff218313h ago

Interesting. Prey was a good game, evil within was dope, and hi fi was the best Xbox game that Xbox has had in so many years. That's according to the base.

romulus2312h ago

HiFi Rush was a really good game actually so that's hardly the reason for shutting down Tango.

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Microsoft Closes Redfall Developer Arkane Austin, Hi-Fi Rush Developer Tango Gameworks, and More

Microsoft has closed a number of Bethesda studios, including Redfall maker Arkane Austin, Hi-Fi Rush developer Tango Gameworks, and more in devastating cuts at Bethesda, IGN can confirm.

Moegooner1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Hi-Fi Rush studio??? Seriously?? Goes to show quality matters lil to MS.

Worst gen ever. All big 3 battling are for who sucks the most. They just keep one upping one another.

-Foxtrot1d 14h ago

This does feel like a “quick Sony is getting shit on for Helldivers, let’s announce it now to minimise impact”

thesoftware7301d 14h ago

That is silly. Let's say there is some weird conspiracy. This announcement would effectively take ALL the attention away from the HD2 situation, especially since there is no longer an HD2 situation. I don't think anything will minimize this impact.

Tacoboto1d 13h ago

... so they announce it on a Tuesday? 36 hours after Sony cleared up everything?

You people care more about the next conspiracy than anything else.

Nevermind that Sony followed the golden rule of minimizing impact by announcing horrible news on a Friday.

Eonjay1d 13h ago

The constant weekly weird Sony drama is part of the industry's problem. Everyone else feels they can get away with murder. Also, what is the point of spending all that money if you just start shutting studios down. And... Redfall wasn't Arkane's fought. Microsoft new the shape the game was in but needed something for GamePass after a whole year of no releases into the service. Them taking it out on Arkane seems really disingenuous and distasteful. And WTF did Tango do? Didn't Todd just release a statement saying how he would never retire. Fire his ass.

romulus231d 13h ago

Well if that was the reason for the timing it didn't work.

darthv721d 13h ago

wow... i did not have them closing Tango and Arkane Austin on my bingo card.

Hofstaderman1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

Yes it does. Arkane Austin I can understand but Tango Gameworks made an excellent game in Hi Fi Rush.
On review, it want really all on Austin for Redfall and its failure, they were forced to make a multiplayer games when their expertise was always single player driven first person games.

-Foxtrot1d 12h ago

Guys I’m not being all that serious…relax

Outside_ofthe_Box1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

"I don't think anything will minimize this impact."

It already has. Notice your comment(or lack there of) vs HD2.

On another note, I would like to see Microsoft buy more studios and do more shadows drops on subscription services like they did Hi-Fi Rush. It's great for the industry I was told by people on here.

Zeref1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it works. Same thing with layoffs. All of a sudden everyone has layoffs around the same time

Cacabunga1d 8h ago

MS will always make it to amaze me by showing the worse version of themselves every single time..

peppeaccardo1d 8h ago

MS proving to the world that ttheir leadership cannot drive success from these new acquisitions. They have ran the numbers and they have realized that long term, without a clear direction from the motehrship, these are a loss for the company hence they need to be cut. I might be wrong but I am absolutelly sure that if these developers would have not been purchased by Microsoft they would be still on business. A shame ...

senorfartcushion20h ago

Both things have happened but N4G's commenters (90% Playstation ) will follow suit

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Einhander19721d 14h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

10/10 deflection, the ol' Sony too deflect...

Let's not discuss the fact that PlayStations struggles have largely been caused by the fact that game pass has reshaped how consumers spend causing them to spend less as they play what is on subscriptions and don't buy games as much because they either have become subscription gamers or they fear the game will come to a subscription so they don't buy things.

And it's not just PlayStation, the whole industry has been effected, many big studios are struggling across the board to match sales targets from pre-game pass releases which is especially apparent in things like sequels.

Heck the best example was Microsoft's own Starfield which should have easily blasted past 10m sales by the end of 2023 going by sales of similar Bethesda games yet was only able to achieve 3m which of course was almost entirely on Steam.

Moegooner1d 13h ago

Or maybe it's because Sony hasn't released multiple worthwhile SP games like they normally do each gen and the ones they did released actually sold well.

Layoffs aren't because studios are struggling, but because major publishers want to maximise profit gains.

Profchaos1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

Absolutely it's a service that's changed the way we view and consume games overall for the worse games have little value when they are part of a sub and become disposable doubly so if they are a day 1 freebie often it's the kiss of death for a game to be day 1 on gamepass as PlayStation players look at it like why do I have to pay 60 dollars for back 4 blood, payday 3 or outriders it'll be on PS plus soon enough and funny enough those games always fail to meet expectations sales are poor and longevity is poor.

When I see a game get a day 1 tag outside of first party my first thought is always something is wrong with it and it can't stand on its own feet so the publisher has made a deal to recoup development cost.

Even first party games have dropped in quality noticeably so since gamepass with gears 5 being the only good release I can think of since gamepass started

Petebloodyonion1d 12h ago

Wasn't aware that Gamepass is available on PlayStation.
Or are you telling us that a service from a console lacking in sales is so great that it affects the morale and buying habits of ppl lacking access to the service?

Also pretty sure that saying all of them competing for who sucks means the whole industry and not just Sony and MS.

Nitrowolf21d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

This is what people online want. They just don't know or understand it. So many have warned about consolidation, and exactly what they have fear has been happening

This isn't the end, expect more bought out studios to be closed in the next few years

Hofstaderman1d 12h ago

Spot on. All in the name "growth" to appease investors and shareholders. Can't sustain the lie though...it will always implode as illustrated by these closures. Applies to MS and Embracer.

TiredGamer1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 6h ago )

This. ^

Publishers are slowly mitigating all development risk since every new big/medium budget game has become too big to fail. Games are too expensive to make and the profitability for titles rests on a hair’s edge. When you need to sell 5 million copies of a game to be profitable, you know that we’ve turned a new page in gaming. The real victims here are the smaller studios/games that bring so much character and variety to the industry, like with Hi-Fi Rush.

It looks to me that Hi-Fi Rush did not fulfill financial expectations for moving the GamePass needle, and the sales from the PlayStation port experiment did not measure up either. So it gets the boot.

Sad day and era for gaming.

notachance1d 3h ago

yeah smaller ABK studios like Toys For Bob are now in dangers

notachance1d 13h ago

I just don’t know how the hell a company that can spend $67b to purchase a publisher decided that it’s okay to close the studio that produces their best game last year.

Whoever the higher up there that decides this is completely out of touch of how the game industry works, the damn xbox division as a whole would’ve been closed already if they weren’t sustained by other MS divisions.

shinoff21831d 12h ago

I got in an argument with someone on reddit and they weren't haven't that Xbox isn't propped up by other divisions argument. They swore up and down that Xbox was pulling its own weight. I just stopped after a couple back and forths

TiredGamer1d 6h ago

Didn’t move the GamePass needle and the PlayStation port couldn’t save the return on investment….

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dumahim1d 12h ago

So this is what happens when you're pleased with the sales and investing in the studio? Good guy Phil at it again.

Sonic18811d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

From Aaron Greenburg:

"Hi-Fi RUSH was a break out hit for us and our players in all key measurements and expectations. We couldn’t be happier with what the team at Tango Gameworks delivered with this surprise release."

😂😂😂 🤥🤥

Lightning771d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Once again MS creates their own problems and they create their own animosity. Idc about their shitty excuse and "reasons" they're a incompetent company, plus all their Xbox fanboy influencers are dwindling I noticed. How many excuses can you make for a company like MS? Consoles are down and they're losing their own fanboy influencers also. That's all they had to cheer lead them now they're leaving them. Pretty nobody will be on MS dude no matter if they (if they ever but I doubt it) get their act together.

Trashy ass ppl and company....

If they go under eventual it's because of their own doing nobody else's.

porkChop1d 8h ago

Yeah overall this gen is pretty shit. Everyone is making horrible decisions, great devs are getting either gutted or entirely shut down regardless of quality or success, very little in the way of innovative games, etc. This industry needs to see some drastic changes.

badz14922h ago

where are all the cheerleaders for MS acquisitions amid all these?? you guys happy now? this will not be the end of it, maybe just the beginning!

OptimusDK14h ago

Maybe it has to do with this:
Hinji Mikami is leaving Tango Gameworks in the coming months.On February 23 it was reported that Mikami would be departing Tango Gameworks. Bethesda has stepped in to confirm the report of Mikami's forthcoming departure from the studio he founded over a decade ago.

Mikami originally founded Tango Gameworks in 2010 after departing Capcom, having lead the development of iconic games like Resident Evil and Resident Evil 4.

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shadowT1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Tango Gameworks and Arkane?

RaidenBlack1d 13h ago

Arkane Austin (Prey developer)
Not Arkane Lyon ( Dishonored developer)

Crows901d 13h ago

Prey was fantastic. Red fall was shit because they were forced to do shit they didn't want to make.

Atkane Lyon did death loop I believe....I hated that one.

shinoff21831d 12h ago

I personally liked prey more.

RaidenBlack1d 12h ago

@shinoff2183
Because Prey was creative and different
Other than the live service Redfall, all other single-player Arkane projects have been creative and interesting

Tankbusta401d 12h ago

@Crows90

So just because people don't want to do something in life...bad quality is excused? Look what happened over that bad quality? no more studio

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MrDead1d 13h ago

Will be more soon, I've said it before I can't see MS keeping Bethesda. I think they'll strip it's IPs and slowly close everything, it's what they do.

VariantAEC1d 12h ago

No one wants to admit it, but yeah MS has a long history of pillaging other smaller corporations for IP and dispensing with everything else.

Zeref1d 10h ago

That doesn't make any sense lol. How would they make money from these IP'S with no developers?

MrDead1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

@Zeref
"That doesn't make any sense lol. How would they make money from these IP'S with no developers?"

MS don't care about the studios, they want the IP's. They'll keep the big ones in house, the game engines they run on and licence the rest. Stacks of cash to be made from licensing IP's ...or just sit on them so no one else can use them.

blackblades1d 6h ago

@Zeref silly fool, buy them for the IP have there other studios make the games using the IP names to sell them. We all know having a popular franchise name can sell

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Einhander19721d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Well xbox fans you got what you asked for... and honestly deserved...

It was so easily predictable that game pass was never going to be able to support all these studios.

If Microsoft can't win they are going to burn it all to the ground...

Countdown to Phil Spencer telling us "it's better for the gamers this way" yet again.

Barlos1d 13h ago

Agree but gamers didn't ask for people to be out of work.

VenomUK1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

@Barlos They indirectly did. Every person who made a wish list of who Microsoft should buy next and were sending tweets to Phil Spencer and Xbox with proposed studios, played a part.

The saddest part is the studios were closed because of the underperformance of their last games, and if they had been given a chance then their next games could’ve been great and succeeded. But it is the same old Phil Spencer Microsoft problem which is not giving them a chance, and that’s why he is not able to manage game studios.

VariantAEC1d 11h ago

Yeah they did. Just because they refused to see what everyone with a brain was telling them doesn't mean they didn't know. They were told, they should've put up a fight and they didn't. This is the result. But who knows even if MS' fans weren't such boot-lickers, MS could've carried this out against their fans wishes anyway. Unfortunately, we have the hardcore MS defense bots running to deflect from any bad news and maybe, just maybe, MS felt empowered to do more damage as a result of their fans cheering this all on.

anast1d 10h ago

They sold themselves out. Once people buy you they can do what they want. None of this should have been a surprise. When companies get bought out, they eventually get dismantled.

shinoff21831d 12h ago

Xbox fans were to busy daydreaming of Ms curbstopping Sony they didn't look at the big picture.

Einhander19721d 12h ago

Not disagreeing at all.

I want to add that from the day Microsoft announced game pass, before they even started buying up studios it was obvious that game pass wasn't going to be able to support itself.

It was so dumb that they doubled down on it by spending 100B on a service they knew only existed through subsidization.

They should have realized there was no way that adding massively more costs on a subscription they were subsidizing was certain to fail. Especially after seeing how it had devastated sales across the platform as a whole.

Heck by the time this generation started during covid when the console sales were similar PlayStation was already outselling xbox on multiplatform games 8:1 yet they still doubled down on it.

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Relientk771d 14h ago

This is beyond wrong. Like wtf!? Especially Tango Gameworks with Hi-Fi Rush. I've heard nothing but good things about that game. Just because Arkane Austin screwed up one game release doesn't mean you need to close them. It sounds like they were forced to do a multiplayer game when they're a single player studio. They could have made a Prey 2 or some other game next.

Just wow awful news.

Einhander19721d 14h ago

Apparently PlayStation owners didn't buy enough copies of Hi-Fi Rush...

romulus231d 13h ago

"Xbox says Hi-Fi Rush was a success "in all key measurements" amid rumors of poor sales. Following rumors that Tango Gameworks' Hi-Fish Rush didn't meet sales expectations, Xbox marketing VP Aaron Greenburg is defending the "break out hit" as a success by all metrics."

According to Aaron Greenburg it was a success so they shouldn't have even needed PlayStation owners to buy it. That being said, I bought it and really enjoyed it, it's a great game. Shame MS closed them down.

RpgSama1d 13h ago

@Romulus23

All lies by the Green Bug, that just means that a lot of people fired bullets or whatever in the game, that's the key measurements they care to share.

Tango did NOT deserve to be closed down, they have not released a single bad game.

Crows901d 13h ago

That's usually what happens when you don't release it at the same time as other platforms....same thing happened with tomb raider reboot sequel. MS got exclusivity for a year and then when it came to PlayStation it barely sold. Nobody cared anymore.

shinoff21831d 12h ago

Still waiting on the physical release pre order window

VariantAEC1d 11h ago

Well... I did my part. Hi-Fi Rush is a good game, but I don't think its MS' style. We don't really know how well it did or didn't perform by the numbers or whether it broke even. This could just be another MS blunder.

Elda1d 10h ago

Exactly. MS purchasing a 3rd party studio & keeping games off of other platforms probably hurt them in the long run, then finally putting Hi Fi Rush on PS which in turn PS fans probably didn't care to buy & support Hi Fi Rush after a year later of release. Hi Fi Rush was released on Gamepass so it probably never really made any money selling solely.

Eonjay1d 10h ago

@romulus23

Let's hope it didn't sell well because that would make this worse. Also I could have sworn I read an article about their next game in the works.

Seraphim1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

I was wondering if that played any part considering the timing, though, XB claimed the game to be a success last year only on XB & PC. Regardless MS f'd up there too. They shadow dropped HiFi on XB/PC last year at the perfect time. This year when they released on PS not only had the hype died, but there were so many solid games available the first 3 months of this year to play.

I almost bought it on PC last year, but now that it dropped on PS I just have far too many games to play to bother...

If MS needs PS and even Switch sales they need a better strategy. At the very least a release date where players are more inticed to buy said game. The problem is always going to be that if they want exclusives the hype for these games will be dead a year later. The exceptions might be some of their heavy hitters.... 2 cents

Angyobangyo18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

PS and PC owners probably bought more copies that Xbox owners.

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CrashMania1d 13h ago

I can only imagine the little amount of revenue both games generated, sent straight to gamepass and excluded from the largest current gen console userbase. Not to say both games would have done well if they were on PS5 too, but you heavily damage to a games revenue when you put it on a stagnating sub service for a poorly selling console, can't really see people going out in droves to sub to GP to play this.

shinoff21831d 12h ago

Gamepass subs(most of Xbox players) don't buy games all like that so it's not sustainable. It's reality.

RaidenBlack1d 13h ago

Yea Austin made one of the most creative game of last gen with Prey and were forced to take risk with Redfall and now the whole studio is being closed.

Aphrodia1d 13h ago

Yes, that Tango gameworks/ Hi-Fi closure was an eye opener for me as well. Neither played it nor was interested in it myself but all I heard was everyone acting like it was the second coming of guitar hero or something.

I don't know what else to say other than modern gaming is an overwhelming sea of mediocrity and there's not enough voices of reason speaking up and saying that most games made these days are just not very good.

shinoff21831d 12h ago

Your playing the wrong games then. There's always been shovelware type games. Going back to wii, snes, nes, ps1 Xbox og. That's a bs blanket statement. As an older gamer since atari days I'd personally say this is a great time. If you can't find anything to play. That's on you

With all that said in no way or form am I speaking of multi-player games, gacha, or whatever. I'm strictly speaking on single player games.

Aphrodia1d 10h ago

you are hilarious. trying to validate your comment by excluding over half of the games out there today. Pathetic man.

Neonridr1d 12h ago

I'm more devastated at the loss of The Evil Within.

Chevalier1d 1h ago

Wait I was told Xbox had great engagement numbers?! Some Xbox fans said they bought games when I told them Xbox customers don't buy games?

So Xbox bought studios to keep games off other platforms and forgot they conditioned Xbox customers to not buy games. Whoops.

So anyone else think Outer World's 2 dies 🤔? I'm thinking a small game losing out on Nintendo and Playstation gamers buying will kill this IP. But it's okay Xbox fans can get more COD! Halo, Gears and Forza! Woot that's a 'win'. Yay Gamepass FTW

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CrashMania1d 14h ago

Can't wait to see the usual try spin and play this down. So much for the heroic MS and Phil saving these studios eh.

Eonjay1d 13h ago

By the end of the day IGN will be talking about how this is right for the industry. Don't worry, Microsoft's PR is making the call now.

RpgSama1d 13h ago

Tango did NOT deserve to be closed down, they have not released a single bad game, and I'm sure Arkhane failed just because they were both rushed and pressured into making a GaaS game they had no experience in doing and no support to get it completed out of the gate.

PrinceOfAnger1d 13h ago

Not a big deal only hi fi rush was good

Sony has closed
Manchester studio
Japan studio
Pixel opus
London studio
Ready At Dawn ...

RupeeHoarder1d 13h ago

The difference being Sony has a large group of other studios that have done something positive. Microsoft just closed the studio to the only good game they released in the past year (Hi-Fi Rush).

CrashMania1d 13h ago

They all suck as well of course. But MS spent 10s of billions on these publishers for mass consolidation, every made a song and dance about how MS would save them, using their endless Windows, 365 and Azure money to keep them open forever and how Phil was some hero.

Nothing is safe unless it makes money, even for MS.

romulus231d 13h ago

It is a big deal.

Microsoft has closed
Fasa Studios
Digital Anvil
Ensemble
Lionhead Studios
Press Play
Arkane Austin
Tango Gameworks

Einhander19721d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

Wow how far back do you want to go back.

Lionhead Studios
Aces Game Studio
BigPark
Carbonated Game
Digital Anvil
Ensemble Studios
FASA Studio
Good Science Studio
Hired Gun
Microsoft Studios Japan
Microsoft Studios Victoria
Team Dakota
Xbox Entertainment Studios
Xbox Live Productions
Lift London
Access Software
Salt Lake Games Studio
Twisted Pixel Games
WingNut Interactive

And more before this, this was just their cuts during xbone era that Phil cut while he was at the head.

And some of those PlayStation studios were merged not closed, most of the UK studios were folded into each other.

Japan Studio was renamed to Asobi not closed, aAsobi was an internal team of Japan Studio the "closure" the press misinformed people about was more or less a name change, the studio is in the same building and when the change happened less than 5 people mostly leadership positions chose to leave the studio to form Bokeh Studio, which still works closely with Sony.

And even if your deflection stood on it's own, Microsoft spent 3 Billion 3 years ago almost to the date to buy Zenimax and has already closed 2 of it's biggest studios and decimated Zenimax's support studio structure.

It's no wonder Todd Howard was talking about "more frequent releases" and letting other studios make their IP's games. The days of big budget huge Bethesda games is over...

In fact sadly Microsoft has ushered in the end of big budget gaming as we know it with their obviously unsustainable subscription industry change.

And I feel fully confident that this isn't the end of studio closures from these recently purchased studios.

Abnor_Mal1d 13h ago

Ready At Dawn was never a Sony owned studio, and only made a few smaller God of War games and a Jax and Daxter spin off, and of course The Order1866.

They are currently owned by OcUlus Studios.

MrDead1d 13h ago

How many times has MS fired Bethesda staff since they purchased it? I think it's been three rounds so far

BehindTheRows1d 13h ago

Deflection is the finest form of delusion.

shinoff21831d 12h ago

London studio what have they made recently. Really the worst one was Japan studio. That sucked.

In reality though your deflecting. The fact of the matter is Ms just closed the studio that made their highest rated game in years. That's insane.

Hofstaderman1d 12h ago

Also many of those staff were absorbed into other studios.

VariantAEC1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Ready At Dawn was never a PS first party studio.
Manchester was closed and it was proposed that London should be closed, but their website is still up with no news about it being closed on their official site anywhere. So it's possible that the proposed closure just did not happen to get fufilled. Meaning London Studio *MIGHT* still be open running lean.

Edit: Japan Studio was closed with some staff making up the new Asobi Team Studio who's first title was the PS5 pack-in game "Astro's Playroom." Pixel Opus was closed and not replaced or spun-off their only games were Entwined and Concrete Genie they also helped publish Journey according to Wikipedia.

Chevalier1d 1h ago

Man you got crap info

Sony never owned Ready at Dawn. It's now owned by Oculus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

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Tacoboto1d 13h ago

Phil needs to step down. What kind of usual spin do you want?

More and more people lose jobs but the people at the top stay the same. Hardware sales tank despite billions and billions spent. The math is plain and simple.

Sonic18811d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

I'm still trying to figure out what was the real reason to acquire Bethesda for millions or Billions of dollars if you're closing down studios 🤔 What were their true intentions 🤔 I mean do Microsoft really want to be a third-party publisher? It sounds like they're confused.with their future in gaming

VariantAEC1d 11h ago

@Sonic1881
To rape each studio for their sweet succulent ultra-valuable IP. This is Microsoft's favorite past-time.

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