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Sony doesn’t want to harm the Xbox One — it needs it, and so do you

Sony needs the Xbox One, and so do you. PCGMedia try to explain how tame console marketing is compared to how it was, and that it's because the entire console market is losing relevancy, among other ideas.

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stuna13728d ago

It's amazing people are using this stance in their argument now! Last Gen people wanted to see Sony and the PS3 reduced to a smothering pile of plastic! Now roles have reversed, it's they need each other. Oh how convenient!

johndoe112113728d ago

You have absolutely no idea how true your statement is.

Eonjay3728d ago (Edited 3728d ago )

I remember seeing it too, but I wonder how valid the point of needing Xbox One is. Did the PS2 need the real Xbox 1. Competition is good, but it doesn't have to be against the Xbox One. There is another worthy competitor in SteamBox.
There is no rule that says the Xbox One has to be competitive. (Or Nintendo or Sony for that matter).

Giul_Xainx3728d ago

Let me be the first to apologize.: I'm sorry that everyone favors the PS4 so much. But with greatness awaiting we really can't be buggered right now. Bye.

nix3728d ago (Edited 3728d ago )

Sony needs Xbox One to make PS4 look good. q;

johndoe112113728d ago

@nix

Ps4 doesn't "need" anything to make it look good, it's great by nature..

Cupid_Viper_33727d ago

"Sony doesn’t want to harm the Xbox One — it needs it, and so do you"

Hell the f**k no I don't. Just no.

You mean to tell me that "I need" a company who's plans included "always online" with "24-hour check ins"? The company who thought it was ok to prevent me from borrowing/lending my friends my game that I paid money for? That same competitor who decided that kinect is better for gaming and crippled the Xbox One for its sake?

Man get real. I spent the entire previous generation without touching an Xbox 360, and I'll spend this entire generation without touching this "One".

Why settle for "clouds" when it's sunny and bright on the other side?

Kryptix3727d ago

Good points are made here about Sony and the PS3 being targeted with doom articles last gen all the time and the PS2 doing very good without the first Xbox as competition. Even some people today still mention Sony's financial status, wanting the whole Playstation brand to crash and burn with everything it ever created.

Competition is not always needed if you take what developers and your fans want. It does good when we see two brands duke it out for who gives the better games and services but the PS4 is a great example that if you give what the people want, then they'll be satisfied and buy the product.

I'm not saying that's the only way and having something to compete with only benefits a little, but you learn along the way, you observe patterns. And from my understanding, Sony learned from the PS2 and PS3 that if you dish out many exclusives and you reach out for more developers, then everything will be just fine. Which explains the new indie support and the PS3 still getting exclusives till this day. By combining all 3 aspects, feedback, looking at what the competition does about online services, and learning from past mistakes, we now have the PS4, the fastest selling console of any generation.

johndoe112113727d ago

@Cupid_Viper_3

1 "well said" bubble for you coming right up. You won the thread post award.

kayoss3727d ago

@eonjay
There is no official rule per say. But the investors will have a very strong influence. If investors feel that X1 is not selling well, they will head for the hills. So this means that X1 need to stay competitive to keep thier investors.

GameSpawn3727d ago (Edited 3727d ago )

No one company NEEDS the other. However, the market DOES NEED competition. You can still have competition though with just two companies. You only need a third if the two get complacent.

I've always said the gaming market is only big enough for 2 and a half companies -- meaning the half is generally the guy in third feeding on the scraps of what is left but also acts as a check and balance to keep the other two from becoming complacent in their positions because a threat always looms to take the 2nd or 1st spot.

gatormatt803727d ago

Sony doesn't need Microsoft and nor does MS need Sony. We the consumer though do benefit from their competition.

And Cupid_Viper's point is exactly what I'm talking about. MS tried to pull one over on its consumers with the "always online 24 hr check in DRM crap." Once they realized that Sony wasn't including any of that crap, and the ginormous backlash from the fans, they decided to remove all that bull.

Exactly GameSpawn...
"No one company NEEDS the other. However, the market DOES NEED competition."

redwin3727d ago

I have both systems and to be honest @&$:/...... You know, how can you tell someone that pizza taste good when they already decided that they don't like i, when they already enjoy pasta and cheese. Indie is DRM, playstation now is DRM and kinect is not responsible for broadcasting a married couple sleep for hrs. You didn't want paid live subscription and demonized MS for it and now I'm stuck with this playstation plus. I'm glad to have a very powerful console like the ps4 next to a weak Xbox one . You agreeing with Sony on everything they do is why they came up with this PSnow. In a few years my ps4 will be obsolete because of PSnow , thank you, I just waisted $400, and that's exactly what the author was referring when he said "monopoly " PSnow , DRM , PSnow, DRM . I really love Nintendo, no matter what, they stick to their guns.

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Fireseed3728d ago

Can you keep your brash generalizations to yourself? I most certainly did not want the PS3 reduced to anything last gen. And I bought a X1 this gen. Your "Us vs Them" mentality perpetuates a senseless flame war that needs to die.

stuna13728d ago

Question! Did I say all? So where's the generalization at? The statement I made was true, just because maybe you weren't one of those people doesn't mean there weren't any.

Outside_ofthe_Box3728d ago

This is N4G generalizations are allowed here. People use them all the time without a hinder of thought. N4Gers love generalizations because it allows people to make grandiose claims that gives little leeway for others to argue against it. It puts people in a "well he's technically right/true" kind of bind. When you call them out on the generalization they give a "well, we all know where the general trend is anyway. Let's not kid ourselves here" kind of a response. It's typical argument 101 on here.

KwietStorm_BLM3728d ago

I think you missed, or ignored, the point he was making. There was no brash generalization.

Volkama3728d ago (Edited 3728d ago )

Stuna, the generalisation is quite easy to find. Here you go:

"It's amazing people are using this stance in their argument now! Last Gen people wanted to see Sony and the PS3 reduced to a smothering pile of plastic! "

Note how you see an opinion piece from an individual, label the person a collective "people", and then attribute another opinion you've seen in the past to that same collective?

It's common on N4G, people seem to struggle with the concept of individuals speaking for themselves.

LeCreuset3727d ago (Edited 3727d ago )

@Volkama

OMG. It doesn't take an English major to figure this stuff out. It really doesn't.

What Stuna1 said:

"It's amazing people are using this stance in their argument now! Last Gen people wanted to see Sony and the PS3 reduced to a smothering pile of plastic! "

How you misread it:

"Note how you see an opinion piece from an individual, label the person a collective 'people', and then attribute another opinion you've seen in the past to that same collective?"

Note how Stuna reads an opinion piece in which the writer makes an argument that Sony and gamers need Xbox and includes the writer among a collective of "people" that argue that Sony and gamers need Xbox — because that's what the writer did. Note that this is where you fail. For some reason, in your mind, the word "people" only refers to one collective, so when Stuna later brings up how "people" wanted to see Sony's downfall, you embarrass yourself by trying to belittle other people when it is really your own ignorance causing the misunderstanding.

saint_seya3727d ago

I like how one of the guys above me talk about generalizations, saying that n4g users love them and use them to make grandiose claims..
The fun part is, that this guy that talks about generalizations as a bad thing, while doing a generalization of N4G! That blew my mind..

"It's bad when other people do this, but is fine when i do it" That's what i got from his comment.

OT: Sony doesn't need MS, as MS doesnt need sony, if anything consumers need em to get more choises, but then again if someone is out, always there's a new contender joining the console war, so in this case i wouldn't be worried if MS is out #but i was sad when Sega was out even having a ps1, and ps2 back then.

Volkama3727d ago (Edited 3727d ago )

Stuna makes a link between people wishing the PS3 failed, and people saying a console failing would be bad. He paints a group of hypocrites, but there is no foundation for it, nothing to suggest anyone held both contradictory views. This is why Fireseed objected to the generalisation.

If Stuna is not attempting to make that link then we're wrong, and I will duly apologise.

If you can't see how that's different to me saying that a particular attitude is commonly observed here, or if that difference "blows your mind"... well that's cute. Carry on doing what you're doing.

Outside_ofthe_Box3727d ago (Edited 3727d ago )

I was being sarcastic. I was making fun of those that like to say "This is N4G...(Insert Generalization Here)". Wasn't trying to say stuna1 was wrong in what he was saying as there was a lot "OH HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN!" comments about Sony last gen. Make no mistake though, what stuna1 said was treating a group of people's opinions as one breathing hive.

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admiralvic3728d ago

"It's amazing people are using this stance in their argument now!"

There were people in the past that were saying the same thing, but a lot of people only recall the bad. Its a shame, but I guess thats life.

Mikey322303728d ago

Sony Does want to harm the xbox.. they want all the market share.

However, WE the gamers do want the xbox one. Even though maybe we dont want to BUY it, we want it to be here.

We want the competition. Or else sony would be such a lazy ass arrogant company. They have only grown so much, because of the competition of last gen.

They still aren't perfect.. they are a company. their whole purpose is to make money, be profitable. We need the competition.

Periphereality3728d ago

"Sony Does want to harm the xbox.. they want all the market share."

If they take 100% of the market share, the market is unlikely to survive. That's kinda the point. Try reading the article before you comment. It'll do you the world of good.

Mikey322303728d ago

@ peripherality

.. great. ive read it. its just wrong though. I understand what they've said. but your wrong.

They are talking about consoles, and the console market. Its kind of a narrow path of an opinion on why they think one company would fail without the other.

Having complete control of a market is monopoly.. you want a monopoly.

Just because "consoles" may be in danger in the future, doesnt mean sony doesnt want a monopoly.

sony and any current console maker knows consoles will go away in the future.. and they are already preparing.

Periphereality3728d ago

"Having complete control of a market is monopoly.. you want a monopoly."

Black and white.

Utalkin2me3728d ago

Lol @ saying Sony wants monopoly. When MS has already been to court and failed on their monopoly.

Thatguy-3103728d ago

Gaming life was great during the ps1/ps2 era. I wouldn't mind if Sony ruled most of the market share. From the three companies they know what we want.

AnEwGuY3728d ago

Mikey...son...there international trade/antitrust laws in place to guard AGAINST monopolies. Ask MS...

Volkama3727d ago

Theory is Microsoft spend hard to expand the market. That benefits Sony.

If you like to think in pies (charts, sweet, savoury, whatever) then consider 100% of a pie is not as much as 50% of 3 pies.

It's not so simple, as ownership of those pies is not exclusive. There will be large segments of pie that both companies have licked, that's where the "battle" lies.

Hopefully you went with sweet or savoury pies for the analogy, as licking pie charts would be pretty weird.

Clarence3727d ago

The Ps1 and Ps2 both did great numbers without the Xbox. Despite what everyone said about the PS3 and bluray Sony still kept pushing the boundaries.

The Playstation brand is successful thing because Sony listens to the consumers. This time around they listen to the developers as well. That combination is why the PS4 is so successful.

At M$ it seems you have a bunch of corporate idiots running the gaming division.

Mikey322303727d ago

Some of you guys need to take an economics class, before incorrectly arguing with something factual.

And.. truly every company would want a monopoly if possible. Obviously there are anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws, but a true monopoly is desired by an for-profit company.

Where the hell did you guys go to school? or did you.

@Periphereality (and all those who agreed with him) Here is a definition of monopoly

"exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market, or a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices. Compare duopoly, oligopoly."

http://dictionary.reference...

First definition when you google for it.

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Muffins12233728d ago (Edited 3728d ago )

Competetion is always good,but with valve and amazon jumping in the consoles its getting a little to cramped and someones got to go

Saito3728d ago

People(Mostly xbox and fanboys of other consoles)are hurt to see Sony success. Nothing to be surprised about actually. This was all to be expected. This only affected people in denial.

Edsword3727d ago

The claim in the article is right. If there were no competiton the PS4 would be something totally different than what it is. Think about it, Sony designed the PS4 to beat the competition. Without that motivation do you think you would have gotten the PS4 or something that cut more corners to save more on costs? Competition is good for the consumer, it makes organizations compete for your $. It was good last gen and it's good this gen. I'm not a fan of MS, but a complete failure of the XB1 is not something that would be good for gamers in general. I think a weaken position for the XB1 compared to the 360 will be good for gamers because MS won't be able to secure as many 3rd party exclusives. So hopefully more games are available on more systems.

stuna13727d ago

I can agree with what you're saying! But I also have to look at things from a different perspective as far as if Microsoft was the ones in the leading position. If there was no one to keep them in check, the gaming landscape would be completely different from what we see it as!

See I hold no illusion to what Microsoft really planned to do, it's pretty obvious from what we see in their product that is the Xbox1, they wanted to change the entire formula for gaming, and the sad thing is there were big developers behind them to support them. Imagine not exactly a monopoly, but you holding large shares in the gaming arena, but your supporters all also hold large shares in the gaming arena, and they are major developers with huge holdings with major ip's, what do you have then? The potential to change the direction of gaming as we know it if they combined their resourses.

The thing is, no one would have ever looked at it as a monopoly! Sony stood in the way of that.

Aceman183727d ago

The way they tried to snatch my consumer rights, and force a camera down my throat made me not want one.

Even now that they 180d most of that crap I still don't want one with the forced camera and high price.

Milruka3727d ago

They have not, You just think they have because you were only on N4g, which was actually the place that sony fans would migrate to since 2007... And they would always say how they were outcasted yet that was never true.

medman3727d ago

Gaming companies/manufacturers come and go. Gaming itself will never die. So no, Sony doesn't need the xbone to succeed. Sony needs to do what they have been doing, producing powerful consoles and attracting the best developers on the planet to produce the best games for the system. If there is no next console cycle, or only one more console cycle, it will be because gaming and technology evolves, not because these companies did something wrong.

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jessupj3728d ago

I'm all for competition, but it has to be healthy competition.

MS is definitely not healthy competition. All they do is take from the industry. Need I point out their DRM and timed DLC.

And I don't know why people think Sony would get lazy is they got the monopoly. When the PS1 and PS2 were dominating the industry thrived. I want to see that again.

BitbyDeath3728d ago (Edited 3728d ago )

Agreed, the gaming industry would be better off without MS as all they seem to do is instigate ways to raise costs one way or another.
Xbox itself can stay though.

Nero13143728d ago

Nah the gaming industry would be better without fanboys like you .

SpiralTear3728d ago

"I don't know why people think Sony would get lazy is they got the monopoly."

Look at every other situation where one company owns the entire market share. Look at something like Madden; since EA has no competition, they can be as lazy as they want, because there's no alternative. It's either buy a stripped-down, feature-neutered football game or no football game at all.

Look at last gen: the Xbox 360 was the best thing that ever happened to the PS3. Remember the doom on the PS3 launch? Sony realized that they were losing market share to Microsoft, so they dropped the price, shaped up their online and got better games. And guess what? Things improved. If the 360 wasn't there, I don't think the PS3 lifecycle would have been the same.

More competition means more reasons for companies to top each other, and we gamers reap the benefits. That's how it works.

TheEnigma3133727d ago

Sony didn't get lazy when they dominated the ps1-ps2 era. PS2 is considered the greatest console and that gen was one sided.

SpiralTear3727d ago

@cochise_313

You're missing the point. The point is that many of the things about the PS3's later success were reactionary. They were in response to a competitor's success.

In fact, the same thing happened with the PS2. Voice chat and online features in SOCOM? Xbox Live caught on, so people were into that. Hell, Killzone was designed to be a "Halo killer." None of those things would've happened unless there was another company achieving success with it and putting pressure on Sony. Sony saw those successes and followed up with things like Killzone.

Just because the PS2 was a big hit doesn't mean that it would've been the same had there not been two other consoles on the market.

DEEBO3728d ago

We need games in general but what we don't need is getting F over in the process.
and the guy is right some want sony to go belly up and others want MS to drop out of the console market.
I own all of the next generation system's and i hope they can make a profit but if there was a company that is doing right by gamers it's sony.
Just today i got remember me,street x tekken off playstation+ what has MS given me for owning a X1? nintendo did have that 30 cent deal on classic games and that was cool but other then that nothing.

So yeah we need MS,nintendo%sony but if they are going to keep f over gamers then let them go the way sega dreamcast.

MightyNoX3728d ago

Not really...

Here is a post from one of the mods of NeoGaf which I feel eloquently puts this stupid concept to rest:
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No, it's not. I don't understand where this is coming from.

Competitive platforms are good for the consumer. Sales parity is completely irrelevant to the consumer. In fact, if one platform lags behind the other, it is because the consumer has decided that one platform is not actually good for them. That is how it works. The dog wags the tail.

This "competition is good" thing has grown completely into a monster. Competition is the means by which a lessor is weeded out. If a platform is weaker, it should lose. That is competition. This whole "parity is good for the consumer"/"two platforms selling well is good for the consumer" sentiment is bizarre.

What you are espousing is not capitalism or competition but instead crony capitalism in which market competitors are propped up for the sake of having market competitors.
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SpiralTear3728d ago

That explanation is a very short-term description. Very socially Darwinian, actually.

In that view, the PS3 should've been dead a long time ago. Do you really think that we would have games like Uncharted 2 or Journey if Sony kept the PS3 at its original price and stayed the course they launched on?

And "weaker" platform is subjective, but I'm assuming you mean "weaker on the market." Competition is diverse challenge, not parity or market equity. Otherwise it's an "irresistible force, immovable object" scenario. But the systems are different enough for us to know what we like and what we don't. There will always be enough of a difference in sales for competition to exist and for gamers to have options.

We need options so we can compare ideas to understand which is better; competition is a good thing. If $599 systems were our only choice, we'd settle. If all-digital systems were our only choice, we'd settle. That's how the gaming market works; we go where the options are, and when they're are none...well...we're stuck with them.

Periphereality3728d ago

Lest we forget the Ouya exists contrary to this depiction of "capitalism".

Ouya sold on a premise, and an idea. People bought that like a product, and the hardware came later. That, too, is not "how capitalism works." Yet it did. It's now a tangible thing.

Periphereality3728d ago (Edited 3728d ago )

Erroneously assumed I was directly supporting capitalism. In actual fact, not at all. As strange as it sounds, the only meaningful point is that if you want a traditional console market for the next 5-10 years, you should support what there is -- and that doesn't necessarily mean financially.

Yes, under-grad logic can rant about how "that's not how capitalism is supposed to work" or "that's not how capitalism works", but that wasn't what this was about.

Besides, capitalism is doing weird things now'days. You can get a product or service supported through tantamount to charitable donations through fund-raising sites. Effectively trading in 'good-will'. People criticize Kickstarter because "that's not how capitalism works," and even that's getting old.

"If a platform is weaker, it should lose."

By what rule? History? Is that a positive statement? An ethical one? Regardless, it misses the point completely. The idea is "if you want a viable traditional console market, you should not actively work towards or celebrate the loss of a competitor".

Not to mention the unfortunately lax definition of 'lose' in this context (lax being literally nonsensical). Has Ouya lost yet? Has the Wii U lost yet?

Why should a consumer shed a tear for a product? That's another discussion.

When you try to be smart, someone will inevitably try to be smarter. Usually for the sake of it.

At 210 degrees, this article had been clicked (not even read) by a total of 165 people. Most of those commenting will not read it. They will dedicate more time to a statement on the premise, rather than the argument. That's what being smart on the internet is about. Shouting eloquently, within 140 characters.

I don't know if the moderator was commenting directly on this article, or if you chose to speak through him, but cookie-cutter responses to complex situations don't do you nearly enough justice, free-thinking internet person.

MightyNoX3728d ago (Edited 3728d ago )

It's actually commented about a different poster. I know it makes you feel all tingly that the Mods of NeoGaf think you even exist on the radar, but you do not.

I just wanted to show you that you're not the first person to make this cookie-cutter fairy tale argument and you're not a special snowflake. You're just one of many who, when Microsoft has lost grounds in the US, began championing for competition all of a sudden and this reply works for all them.

I'm sorry to burst your fantasy, in hindsight the fault lies with me... :(

forcefullpower3728d ago

We do not need microsoft in the Gaming Industry. Competition is not always healthy and having one console that everyone has is better than having a split between your group of friends that play. Also development teams that dont have to spend millions making two version when time could be spent making the game better or longer.

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Microsoft Survey Asks About Handheld

A new survey from Microsoft has further hinted at the possibility of an Xbox handheld being in development.

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EasilyTheBest4d ago

This is definitely happening, I just hope they have 2 versions one with a much bigger screen.

GamerRN4d ago

I'll be happy with this, and a PC console hybrid that rivals anything we have power wise

Number1TailzFan4d ago

The problem with bigger devices is playing them on your side in bed, Vita and before that was fine. Since the Switch you gotta have a gooseneck holder & controllers detached so you can lie down holding them, or your arm will quickly get tired.

1Victor3d ago

@thesofware: “A much bigger screen than what?”
A gaming laptop 🤷🏿🤣

Kosic3d ago

Than the screen originally planned...duh... :D

darthv723d ago

it kinda already did... https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

They are just gauging interest in one of their own.

crazyCoconuts3d ago

A Xbox version of Logitech G-Cloud?
I mean, why bother? Not like the G cloud is flying off shelves and what would Xbox add to make it better?
They're surely not going to create bespoke architecture here and there are already a few Windows handhelds out there. I have little confidence in their ability to put together an attractive UI in the way Steam did. So I doubt anything will come from this.

KicksnSnares4d ago

Day One buy for me if they'll make a dedicated handheld device.

darthv724d ago

i have that logitech g-cloud. Its a sweet little piece of kit. I like that it can also install games from the play store unlike the other android based handheld.

mudakoshaka4d ago

It sure is! Don't understand why you get the down-votes. Whoever does not like the G Cloud must have been dropped down a well, head first, when they were of a younger age.

PassNextquestion4d ago

I wonder if Microsoft will perform better in Japan if they do actually make a handheld since everyone says handheld and mobile are king over there.

TiredGamer4d ago

This looks like the future of the game industry... all three platforms with a handheld option.

I wonder if the Playstation Portal is a technology test-bed/prototype for a future Playstation handheld?

rlow14d ago (Edited 4d ago )

It’s a possibility but I can’t help but think would that be the best way to go about it? Though it would give you data on how much it is used and game type. It’s still not a true portable device and so people approach it differently. I think that data on phones, tablets, and of course the competition would give a better indication.

But I really think if Sony is considering a new PSP that could play ps5 games, now would be the time to dive in. Honestly, if they do this, it would be huge.

Traecy4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Doubt if Sony PS wants to support a new handheld with first party games. Something they lacked with the Vita. What they should do is have a handheld that is like the PS Portal which can play all games but play those games on the go as well as at home. Something like that is a better investment.

TiredGamer3d ago

Agreed that you will probably never see a separate line of games specifically for the handheld (a la PSP or PSVita). The modern economics and expectations of game development make that cost prohibitive. What makes more sense is if the full-fat game on PS5 or PS6 has a special "handheld" profile that is automatically optimized for the lower spec handheld. There would be some significant compromises compared to the bigger console variant, but it would be the same game overall and would only require a single purchase.... somewhat what the Switch does with a lower resolution when playing handheld versus docked.

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Xbox Games Showcase Followed by [REDACTED] Direct Airs June 9

- Xbox Wire - Mark your calendars! The Xbox Games Showcase followed by [REDACTED] Direct airs June 9. More info inside.

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bionicstar4d ago

Will they show Fable 4, Stalker 2, GoW 6 & Perfect Dark?

PhillyDonJawn4d ago

Crossing fingers for Fable and perfect dark. And State of Decay 3

RaidenBlack4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

And maybe Clockwork Revolution, South of Midnight, Contraband, Project 007 & OD? lol
and whatever happened to Everwild ?
+ that rumored Wu Tang RPG

Sonic18814d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Will they have official release dates and gameplay?

anast4d ago

Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming.

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Lightning774d ago

It's an Xbox showcase that they have every year.

Make smarter comments for once.

anast4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Tell me what a smarter comment is.

If they don't sell game pass the entire time, then I will be wrong. All of this can be proven once the show gets underway. Let's wait and see.

InUrFoxHole3d ago

@Anast
Anything you didn't type. Good day sir!

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Lightning774d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Wow too easy.

You went from MS going all streaming to selling gamepass content in which we all know they are.

Which one is it?

Pretty clear you don't know what a smart comment is at least you admit you don't know.

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anast4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

"Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming."

It's both. I would worry about your own intelligence at this point. It seems that there is not enough to go around for you to worry about how smart other people are.

Lightning774d ago

It's just a regular event announcing games. Nice one captain obvious they're gonna mention gp stuff like they do every year what else is new.

The all streaming part is just you, being you I guess. They have streaming options but going all streaming again is just you pulling stuff outta thin air.

anast4d ago

You don't know what a smart comment is or isn't. You're welcome for the help.

Lightning773d ago

No you said something dumb then you tried to back track and mention GP.

Again make smart comments for once.

anast3d ago

And we have broken record syndrome.

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darthv724d ago

Wonder if they will address the handheld rumors....?

jimb0j0nes4d ago

For a brief moment I thought we might get a whole Direct for Gears 6 - seems like it's COD though!

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv729d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle8d ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18818d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio8d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning778d ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga8d ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv728d ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer19927d ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21838d ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga8d ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan8d ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit8d ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus238d ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv728d ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier7d ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan7d ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple1018d ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos8d ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-8d ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac8d ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1018d ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic8d ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead8d ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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