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Is “GPU Acceleration” Xbox One Secret Sauce

A look at the Xbox One's secret weapon

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xHeavYx3897d ago

So many "secret" weapons, but nothing real, first the cloud, then dGPU, now this. What's next?

black0o3897d ago (Edited 3897d ago )

another day with another secret in the xbone (-_-)

off topic: M.Cerny never compared Ps4 too x1 or hinted anything about the other camp nor talked in PR stuns

Bigpappy3897d ago

No one asked him. People are always asking are always asking M$ Exec's about PS4 so they answer. Haven't herd them say a negative thing about PS4 yet.

sincitysir13897d ago

Xbox is becoming like the.krusty. crab. All kinds of dear ol secret sauces. Just be.upfront already jeez, they r trying to hard to defend their product every few hrs its oozing with desperation

xHeavYx3897d ago (Edited 3897d ago )

@Bigpappy
People ask MS because they give info that make no sense, like the latest Neogaf fiasco by Penello

Angeljuice3897d ago

I think this is a bit of wishful thinking really. Another hope to be dashed I expect. The author even admits to being a big MS fan so make of that what you will.

NatureOfLogic3897d ago

Xbox One is weaker than PS4, everyone knows that. Now Xbox fanboys are trying to grasp at any and every little thing to close the gap. MS is releasing a weaker console #dealwithit. Xbox One will have inferior multiplat games, so what. Just play the games and be happy. If you want the best specs and superior next gen multiplats get a PS4 for cheaper. It's that simple.

XB1_PS43897d ago (Edited 3897d ago )

While something like this would make very interesting news if true, I don't see it happening. Why would Microsoft keep any secrets about potential speed boosts. They sure did hurry that overclock on the CPU out. No matter what software the XWon runs, the GPU in the PS4TW is more powerful.

Also to all the people above me. This has nothing to do with Microsoft. This article is by Rickey Gibson and Tyler Zdenek. Blame them.

Furthermore, The majority of people commenting on this are Sony fans, not Xbox fans "Grasping at Straws".

NewMonday3897d ago

LOL

that gif is a perfect discription

JokesOnYou3897d ago

No Heavy BigBappy is correct the sony cheerleaders over at neogaf continue making false claims like the yeild problems and manufacturing delays, 50% power mis-qoutes of devs and accuse Penello etc of all sorts of stuff and the guy respectfully answers them and said nothing bad about sony. Truth is sonyfanboys have built a record of caring far more about X1 than X1 folks care about ps4. Its apparent in every specs, games, policy, kinect or business related article to microsoft yet you act naive as to why the guy is speaking out.

denawayne3897d ago

Joke - You couldn't be more right. I'm getting an Xbox One so I only concentrate on Xbox One articles. It's getting ridiculous how many Sony fans comment in Xbox related articles. It's almost like they're constantly trying to justify their decision. Sad really.

xHeavYx3897d ago (Edited 3897d ago )

@Jokes
Nobody said anything about rumors. I was talking about some of Penello's claims that made no sense from a technical standpoint.
Grasping straws much to defend your precious cable box?
@denawayne
You can say the same about Xbox fans coming up with positive rumors that end up being debunked

ShwankyShpanky3897d ago

@JOY: "accuse Penello etc of all sorts of stuff and the guy respectfully answers" with bullshit.

I've read through more than 15 pages of that 20+ page GAF thread, and people are asking very straightforward questions that Penello refuses to answer. Penello claims the Xbone has a faster CPU... but Sony hasn't released their CPU clock, so people asked how he knew Xbone's was faster. No response from Penello.

Penello said that the 6% clock boost on the CUs resulted in more than a 6% performance boost. People asked how, because that doesn't make sense. No answer from Penello.

Penello said that 50% more CUs on the PS4 GPU doesn't equate to a 50% performance gain for the chip, because there is inherent efficiency losses the higher the CU count. But those efficiency losses don't apply to highly parallel calculations, like with graphics calculations. People pointed that out and asked for clarification. No response from Penello.

(well, there was his "I know a wizard" response ... sorry ... "I know a Technical Fellow and they're super smart and he says it's true.")

And then of course there's the good ol' memory bandwidth issue... with Penello adding the DDR3 bandwidth to the eSRAM bandwidth to get a peak of 272Gb/s. Funny thing about that is that apparently when you run with "MS math," the 360 had higher bandwidth than the Xbone!

"Our peak on paper is 272gb/sec."
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

"Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth."
http://majornelson.com/2005...

There are plenty of people on GAF that are familiar with the technical ins and outs of game development and computer science, and they're calling Penello on his spin. Pathetically attempting to label them as "Sony chearleaders" does nothing but heap more sand upon your deeply buried head.

P0werVR3897d ago (Edited 3897d ago )

^

It's simple.

Sony can't because it's design is final.

Believe me when I tell you that when companies have ANYTHING to claim they'll do so. Since not eve a hint of anything but the specs announced a while back tells you they have nothing else but added features.

Their last conference should hint to you that FACT since it was only Deep Down and PS Vita TV that was announced...

Also, how can you not do YOUR OWN DD and find that they've stated it time and time again that the ESRAM is an upgrade from EDRAM. Two totally different designs and why ESRAM is an integral part of the Xbox One, pointed DIRECTLY at the GPU!

How can anyone debunk anything that hasn't even been proven otherwise?! Consoles hasn't even released, and they've said it'll take overtime for Azure to show it's true potential. Games to look out for are Black Tusk Studio's game, Forza 5 and Sunset Overdrive.

NOTHING HAS BEEN DEBUNKED!

Can anyone prove me their arguments?! This a so called "discussion" board isn't it??

EDIT:

You should leave GAF...and go to beyond3d if you your fuzzy lil' head can handle the technical part.

whoyouwit043897d ago

but jack trentin did it plenty, So don't act like Mirosoft is the only one that is bringing up the competitor.

JokesOnYou3897d ago (Edited 3897d ago )

@Shwanky
"I've read through more than 15 pages of that 20+ page GAF thread, and people are asking very straightforward questions"

-Some yes but there is a lot of this too:
"Penello just keeps digging his hole ..STHAP"
"Shut up with all this PR nonsense"
"Forty f**king percent! Where's my whiskey bottle?"

"Penello claims the Xbone has a faster CPU... but Sony hasn't released their CPU clock, so people asked how he knew Xbone's was faster. No response from Penello."
-Well its simple here the normal clockspeed for AMD's Jaguar is 1.6 http://www.anandtech.com/sh... sure sony could have upclocked too but they aren't on record stating such with hundreds of sites coming to this conclusion they have never denied it while micro did state an upgraded CPU clockspeed.

"Penello said that the 6% clock boost on the CUs resulted in more than a 6% performance boost. People asked how, because that doesn't make sense. No answer from Penello."
-Wrong he did answer its right in his statement: "Adding to that, each of our CU's is running 6% faster. It's not simply a 6% clock speed increase overall." -Its not his fault if fanboys just say no, no, no you're wrong...prove it.

"Penello said that 50% more CUs on the PS4 GPU doesn't equate to a 50% performance gain for the chip, because there is inherent efficiency losses the higher the CU count."
-Wrong he said "18 CU's vs. 12 CU's =/= 50% more performance. Multi-core processors have inherent inefficiency with more CU's, so it's simply incorrect to say 50% more GPU."= True

"And then of course there's the good ol' memory bandwidth issue"

Not the same comparison years apart and Major is calculating total bandwidth of both I believe which extreme tech outlined years ago with this: "The Xbox 360 has an extensive amount of bandwidth in comparison to its competition; however, this statistic includes the eDRAM logic to memory bandwidth, and not internal CPU bandwidths. The eDRAM internal logic to its internal memory bandwidth is 256 GB/s. The high bandwidth is used primarily for z-buffering, alpha blending, and antialiasing; it saves time and space on the GPU die. Between the eDRAM die and the GPU, data is transferred at 32 GB/s. The memory interface bus has a bandwidth of 22.40 GB/s and the Southbridge a bandwidth of 500 MB/s."
http://www.extremetech.com/...

-Again I think Alberts mistake is engaging with neogaf at all,(I said this a couple weeks ago) they will twist everything he says or just call it PR. I don't think most people there are interested in the actual differences they only just want to hear that the ps4 is a super computer capable of cooking you breakfast.

IRetrouk3897d ago

I keep hearing stuff about the xbox having customised chips and sony having off the shelf parts, didnt mark cerny state that both the cpu and gpu in the ps4 were modified? Look back at the first video of mark explaining the ins and outs of the ps4 for the answer

DoubleM703896d ago

You right it's these Ponies that are saying this %30 to %50 percent. Do you expect that big a difference on $500 hundred dollar machines. The specs and Arch are identical.

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theWB273897d ago (Edited 3897d ago )

Specs aside....the games do the talking. I won't refute the difference on paper...IDK.

The comparisons I see and the news put together....it won't be that big of a difference.

PC elitists laugh at people who think the PS4 is a high end PC.

Kinda makes you think then the X1 is so weak it's a WiiU.

Strictly games...it's running every third party game the PS4 is running and devs say there won't be much of a difference.

If only a handful of Sony devs..mainly SSM and ND...really show the difference in power would it be something to keep boasting about?

If a few years down the road the PS4 gets a few extra bumps in detail..yet the X1 gets the core game intact is there anything gamers are missing out on?

Everyone knows the paper specs are great...but actions speak louder than words and the X1 isn't lagging behind. Gamers are getting powerful systems on both sides...even if there is no secret sauce.

@black0o
I could link to IGN saying the PS4 demo was sorely lacking in visuals and was only running 16 players. We could go back and forth about who said what.

I could say the X1 supports DirectX and we know DICE is supporting it on PC....it wouldn't solve or prove anything at this point especially since DICE is adamant about not showing BF running on consoles.

All in all...it's still getting the core game.

black0o3897d ago

example
BF4 on ps4 runs at higher thn 720p
http://www.craveonline.com/...

http://abload.de/img/jackbf...

while x1 runs at 720p

guess what's gonna happen after a year or 18 months

Bigpappy3897d ago

I never get too evolved in the spec's wars. These games are optimized for the hardware they run on. Not everyone has the same power PC yet they all go on 'steam', download what they want and play it. Same will happen here and the results will be even closer.

No if some one was to ask me what I think is X1 biggest feature over PS4, I would have to say Kinect. Kinect is the secret sauce. It is going to sell more X1's for M$ than any single game or feature.

Matching power and graphics only here with fanboy wars. But unique features truly work as a selling tool.

mcstorm3897d ago

@Bigpappy good to here someone not being a fancy boy on here. Im sure people on this site who keep talking about power have only been gaming for ps3 generation. Power has never been the reason why people buy a games console.

Example, Wii, ps2, psx over the last 3 gens had the lest power out of the other consoles in the same generation but they had the games people wanted.

Another example the 360 was the go to console for games at the start of this generation and that a why it sold well but as the generation went on Sony brought out more ips and the ps3 sales picked up.

The start of a new generation is not about power or 3rd party games it about the exclusive games as the cod and bf fans will not be buying a new console for the same game they can gent on there current gen console and the ps3 and 360 still have games like gta 5 and gt6 which are not on the new gen consoles.

Another example is the psv. It is far better than the 3ds in terms of specs but it is lacking the games and this is the reason why its not selling as well as the 3ds.

The next gen is going to be interesting as the ps4, Wiiu and Xbox one all have must own games as of the end of this year but it will be between Christmas this year and next we will are which console the main stream and core gamers want.

itBourne3897d ago

I think this whole power debate is nonsense as well. I mean a high end pc wins out. If you want the best experience get it on pc, end of debate.

The reason to own a console is for the exclusive games, among a few other reasons. 28 of my 37 games on ps3 are ONLY on ps3. I have a few multiplatform games for playing with friends, and the rest are on my pc.

IRetrouk3897d ago

@bigpappy, i disagree, kinect has only sold to a fraction of the 360 install base, i think you are giving it more credit as a system seller than it deserves, i dont think kinect is as popular as you think, i dont think kinect 2.0 would sell any better than the first and thats why its coming in with the system, either way this next gen is gonna be close, i cant wait for all the new games :-)

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2cents3897d ago

To be fair, the only one of those that you list has been actually proclaimed by microsoft is the cloud.

It's all speculation created by people, that gets latched onto and everyone starts discussing it to hell. Then MS will say no its a false rumor.
And then the process starts again.

Its become like a gameshow, a bad gameshow. "And todays rumour will beeeeee....... drum roll.... (insert rumour here).

Elit3Nick3897d ago

What do you mean "first the cloud"? You have to be in total denial if you think that the cloud doesn't exist/work. We already have many examples of the cloud in action, Azure itself is used to provide more processing power to computers, we had onlive which processed complete games all from the cloud, and even Gaikai to some degree.

xHeavYx3897d ago

The funny thing is that you say it's me the one in total denial

Nekroo913897d ago

the problem with the cloud its limited by bandwith , so what xbox fans were thinking its not possible. image countries with low internet speeds they would have breaks on single player games. is that a way to get supporters? No.

hell most part of the world doesent even support internet speeds for that to happen

Regis3897d ago

@Nekroo91 Recently AT&T bought more Speed access from Verizon for 1.9 billion so I will receive in increase in bandwith so I will have better connectivity to said clouds and severs. But sad for Europe who won't receive very good bandwith from both Gaikai and Azure.

testerg353897d ago

Nekroo91, so how does Gaika work? The slower the internet speed, the closer I get to only playing pong?

kneon3897d ago

@Regis

It doesn't really matter how fast your internet might be when most other people still have limited bandwidth.

Dvs are going to limit what the do with the cloud because most people won't have sufficient bandwidth to do too much.

Because there is no guarantee regarding the bandwidth and latency they will mainly use the cloud for non-critical features. It would be silly to expend a lot of effort on something that few users can really use.

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ATi_Elite3897d ago

The next Xbox One secret..........

"There is really a PS4 inside there" LMAO

modesign3897d ago

how about a original title.

Forza3897d ago (Edited 3897d ago )

Original Xbox was much more powerful than PS2 with its Nvidia GPU and Intel processor and yet most games looked the same and most people couldn't tell a difference.

PS3 was supposedly 2x more powerful than Xbox 360 and yet we didn't see even 00.1x the difference in power. Pretty much no difference at all. If any, Xbox 360 actually ran some multiplatform games better.

I bet millions we don't see any differences between Xbox One and PS4 in graphical capability. They both are gonna look the same even if Xbox One launch games looked better over all. Spec sheets mean nothing in real-time performance. U can look at the differences between latest dual core iPhones vs quad core Androids running at a higher clock speed, real-time performance is what matters. Both consoles use similar APU tech and capable of running games at 1080p max.

PS4 fanboyz need to know about the law of diminishing returns. PS4 spec just doesn't go far enough for an average gamer to see any difference in graphics and overall performance. If people's sole reason is "Graphics" then they will be very disappointed cause PS4 & Xbox One games will look identical. If graphic's is your main concern which in N4G, it seems it is...Just get a f****** high end PC and ur sorted cause PS4 VS Xbox One, u just will not see the huge graphical difference.

Go ahead Sony fanboyz, press the negative button. N4G is filled with Sonyfanboyz. It'll only prove i am right.

xReDeMpTiOnx3897d ago

Not one 360 game technically and graphically outshines last of us. Hell or even gow3 or uc2

Forza3897d ago (Edited 3897d ago )

@xReDeMpTiOnx

That's ur opinion. I though Gears of War 3 & Halo 4 matched Uncharted 3 & Last of Us in graphics but ultimately the best looking game on console is a multiplatform game...Crysis 3. Simply the best looking game i have seen this generation on consoles and the best looking game ever via PC. GTA5 is also looking like a solid contender for the best console graphics.

I own a PS3 & Xbox 360. I enjoy both consoles, i'm just stating my opinion how i see it.

M-M3897d ago

"Original Xbox was much more powerful than PS2 with its Nvidia GPU and Intel processor and yet most games looked the same and most people couldn't tell a difference."

That's actually pretty false, most Xbox games looked better than PS2 games because it was more powerful.

"PS3 was supposedly 2x more powerful than Xbox 360 and yet we didn't see even 00.1x the difference in power. Pretty much no difference at all. If any, Xbox 360 actually ran some multiplatform games better."

Somewhat false again, not a single Xbox game looks as good as The Last Of Us, Uncharted 2-3, or the upcoming Beyond: Two Souls. 360 ran most mutiplatform games better because the architecture was much easier than that of a PS3.

"I bet millions we don't see any differences between Xbox One and PS4 in graphical capability. They both are gonna look the same even if Xbox One launch games looked better over all. Spec sheets mean nothing in real-time performance. U can look at the differences between latest dual core iPhones vs quad core Androids running at a higher clock speed, real-time performance is what matters. Both consoles use similar APU tech and capable of running games at 1080p max."

PS4 games such as KZ:SF and Driveclub look better than Xbox One launch exclusives, although games like Ryse and Forza 5 look great. There will be differences, people will be able to tell the differences as the PS4 will perform better, but it won't be astronomically huge. Games on both systems will be able to run games(not graphic heavy games) in the middle or end of their life cycles, it's pretty much a given.

"PS4 fanboyz need to know about the law of diminishing returns. PS4 spec just doesn't go far enough for an average gamer to see any difference in graphics and overall performance. If people's sole reason is "Graphics" then they will be very disappointed cause PS4 & Xbox One games will look identical. If graphic's is your main concern which in N4G, it seems it is...Just get a f****** high end PC and ur sorted cause PS4 VS Xbox One, u just will not see the huge graphical difference.

Go ahead Sony fanboyz, press the negative button. N4G is filled with Sonyfanboyz. It'll only prove i am right."

True colors shown, N4G username is Forza.

Lykon3897d ago

Well I'm a Sony fan (sort of) and I agree with you. To some extent anyway. It's true about the law of diminishing returns. i.e. ...it takes a large jump in hardware power for a significant increase in graphics and frame rate. I'm sure there will be 1st party studios who eke out the most from each system. The competition is good for all of us.

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Jazz41083897d ago

Cant people wait till the darn thing is released instead of looking for articles 24 hours aday to bash it and high five one another. This gets really old for people who want to read real unbiased news. Sorry but this is my opinion.

Patm823897d ago

don't forget the 12gig ram lol :)

Trekster_Gamer3897d ago

The games are real you blind PS troll. Look at the frackin games we have seen...

TheXgamerLive3897d ago

Open your eyes little man. Xbox One games look and play better so hmmmm somerhing must be true.

otherZinc3896d ago (Edited 3896d ago )

@xHeavYx #1

What's real is; Forza 5 running 1080p "native" @ 60fps.

See, that's all talk aside! Meanwhile, other devs say "we're running our game well over 30fps": what does that mean?

Talk is cheap, Forza 5 is displaying power on screen for us to see for ourselves!

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XboxFun3897d ago (Edited 3897d ago )

Excellent article.

A lot of people just copy and paste what they see but don't understand.

Both systems have absolute gorgeous graphics. But we have some on here who just keep spouting DDR Remix!

We will definitely see Xbox One come into it's own further down the line and then this will go the way of RAM, hUMA and the FCC report (Oh, and MS selling off Xbox).

Edit:
So many "tears" from the other camp, what's next?

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gaelic_laoch3897d ago

M$'s secret sauce is 99% BS and 1% Methane

BattleTorn3897d ago

And some blue food coloring to appear like Heisenbergs

Elit3Nick3897d ago

I'm sorry I didn't realize that you own an Xb1, seriously hold your fanboy comments until the consoles actually come out, the fact you say these things is because you're hoping it's not true.

ShwankyShpanky3897d ago

>>So many "tears" from the other camp

From laughing, perhaps.

HeyImBen113897d ago (Edited 3897d ago )

What's the next "secret weapon"? Kinect acts like another GPU?

spongeboob3897d ago

Funny you say that, yesterday on GAF someone was joking that a third GPU was in the power brick. LOL

Godz Kastro3897d ago

Its funny how people are going back and forth over this. Waste of time IMO. I say it now and said it all along...look at the games. Both sytems are on par. John Carmack said the same, Ill take his owrd over N4G any day.

These same people will be posting on the day they get their systems. Not enjoying games but rather argue about them. Womp womp...

I cant wait for x1 so I can stop visiting this site for news.

GodGinrai3897d ago

Im with you on that one Godz Kastro. The vibe around here is pretty negative to say the least.Thinking of just reading the news on IGN/eurogamer etc. and staying way the hell away from N4g.

Im getting bored of seeing these articles . We already know the specs of X1..next subject plese. you already know what type of people make up most of the 300+ post on this thread. Not gonna say anything more than that. So dont pay it no mind. I just gloss over the BS comments and I dont give em a second thought.

Elit3Nick3897d ago (Edited 3897d ago )

I've thought so many times of just leaving this site and the fanboys to bicker among themselves but unfortunately there is no other site that organizes all gaming news in one place :/

n4rc3897d ago

Its why I keep coming back... I'm at work in my phone... Having everything in one place makes life easier.. Even if I have to search thru all the bs to get to facts

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18811d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus2322h ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

rokos13h ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb3312h ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC2h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled1d 4h ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies16h ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear2110h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k41d 8h ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot1d 6h ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC2h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon6158611h ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k47h ago(Edited 6h ago)

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k47h ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody1d 7h ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead20h ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage14h ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast1d 6h ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19791d 6h ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel21h ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn197911h ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage14h ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead2d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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Microsoft once tried to nab LittleBigPlanet from Sony after a few drinks

It turns out that many moons ago, Microsoft once had its eye on the Sony published LittleBigPlanet series.

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XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Microsoft had a good idea but fumbled it again.

Cacabunga2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Project Spark idea was decent but they quickly gave up ..
LBP was wonderful

ApocalypseShadow3d ago

Microsoft in a nutshell. Always tried to poach Sony employees, games, 3rd party games and devices like the depth camera that was turned into Kinect but was running on PS2 before Xbox 360. Wouldn't be surprised they wanted LBP. Just like they worked behind the scenes pushing the MLB to bring Sony's baseball game to Xbox instead of making their own.
https://www.playstationlife...

They didn't spend years trying to develop their own baseball game. They wanted Sony's game.

They're scum.

Zachmo1822d ago

Microsoft didn't force MLB on Xbox. MLB gave Sony 2 options either go multiplat or risk losing the license.

Rynxie1d 22h ago

And why do you think MLB said that? I believe Ms approached MLB.

ApocalypseShadow1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

Totally ridiculous comment.

The only exclusivity Sony had was to their own creation of The Show. Microsoft could have paid the MLB for the license just like Sony did and made their own baseball game.

Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox. They're worth 3 TRILLION dollars. You think that's not enough money to make their own baseball game? Don't be delusional.

Microsoft spun it like they always do and told the media that they had to trust Sony with their hardware. After they put Sony in that position of not having a choice. Either go multiplatform or stop making one of their successful games. That's a no win scenario.

And what did Microsoft do? They didn't try to sell the game to the Xbox community. They put it on game pass to hurt Sony. Pushing the idea of why buy games that are $70 when you can play them in their cheap service for $10. It was a dirty tactic.

You fell for the Kool aid drink Microsoft served you instead of spitting it out. Hope it tasted good because you were fooled by Phil and the gang.

1d 16h ago
Hereandthere1d 13h ago

Xbox executive Sara Bond has told Axios that Microsoft spent a number of years trying to get MLB The Show onto Xbox consoles. And when it finally succeeded in breaking off PlayStation’s long-held exclusivity, the company had to “trust” Sony with pre-release Xbox Series X/S consoles.

Bond revealed that MLB The Show “always came up” in conversations between Microsoft and the Major League Baseball organization. “We always said, ‘We love this game. It would be a huge opportunity to bring it to Xbox.'” she recalled. However, when Microsoft’s efforts materialized, it put the company in an awkward situation where it had to send in pre-release consoles to a rival company.

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Notellin1d 18h ago

"Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox."

Take a nap, conspiracies are rotting your brain.

1d 16h ago
Hereandthere1d 13h ago

Xbox executive Sara Bond has told Axios that Microsoft spent a number of years trying to get MLB The Show onto Xbox consoles. And when it finally succeeded in breaking off PlayStation’s long-held exclusivity, the company had to “trust” Sony with pre-release Xbox Series X/S consoles.

ApocalypseShadow23h ago

Lying to yourself is unbecoming.

Article link tells you all you need to know in Sarah Bond's own words.

Hereandthere1d 13h ago

They were too cheap/inept/lazy to develop their own mlb game, so they port begged for years and bribed the mlb to make the show multiplatform. Like i said many times, xbox brought nothing to the table their 24 years, ZERO.

ApocalypseShadow23h ago

At least you and others get it. Note drank the Kool aid and asked for seconds thinking it was refreshing.

Most don't even know how it all played out but it's there in black and white for all to see. Microsoft brought it up for years until the MLB forced Sony's hand. It was a win win for Microsoft. Kill one reason to buy a PlayStation or kill the game by dropping it in a cheap service to kill Sony's sales numbers on PlayStation.

OtterX2d ago

"However, Healey said Media Molecule wouldn't have felt right doing that, adding it would have been "morally corrupt"."

Major kudos to Media Molecule for being an upright studio with principles.

Cockney18h ago

They chose well, Sony gave them the backing to pursue their dreams with no restrictions even tho their games especially dreams have very niche appeal. Media molecule and Sony deserve respect for this in an age of risk averse publishing.

RNTody2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Great, more stories like this please. Show the last of the zombies holding the line what we've been saying for years: Microsoft is anti competition, anti industry and has no interest in making games at all.

But hey, at least there's an Xbox Games Showcase to look forward to, right?

Inverno2d ago

Well considering SONY just killed the series, LBP would've been dead by now either way. Though MM probably wouldn't exist by now either, so I'm glad they stayed with SONY, hopefully they don't get shut down any time soon or ever honestly.

Inverno2d ago

They shut down the servers, that's millions of user created levels gone. That and dead are pretty much the same, it's also been years since 3 and they cancelled HUB soooo.

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fsfsxii1d 18h ago

They shutdown the servers because no one was playing, no one in the community cared about the user created levels so why keep them up? Wtf you guys would never succeed in running a business.

Inverno1d 17h ago

Yea dood no one was playing so they shut off the servers. Cause people with enough common sense can't just Google why they were actually shut of, right?

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