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Is 500 GB Enough For The Next Generation?

Like probably every other hardcore gamer on the planet, I am looking forward to that day a few months from now when the next generation consoles hit the stores, and I get my very own to hook up to the TV. However, unlike previous generations where the purchases to accompany the console were limited to games and/or an extra controller, there is one pre-console purchase I plan to make in advance. I’m going to get a new hard drive.

Right now, my current plan is to keep an eye out on 2.5”, one terabyte hard drives, and pick one up before the PS4 debuts. Then, the first thing I’m going to do when I take my console out of its packaging is open it up, swap out the stock 500 GB hard drive and put in the new one.

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Excalibur4365d ago (Edited 4365d ago )

Nope, especially when you have to install everything and it's moving to a blu-ray format.

solidt124365d ago

I think for most people that is enough but for people who game alot like n4g readers we will probably upgrade the hardrive at some point.

xX-StolenSoul-Xx4365d ago

I bought my white 500gig ps3 last april and it's down to 80gigs left :s All those ps plus games + disc download games took its toll.

500gig is not enough, gladly with the ps4 we could upgrade freely.

fardan854365d ago

For XB1 & PS4 "no ps+",the 500 GB might be enough. Consider that you will delete the games files if you don't feel like playing the game again, Most people won't go fully digital with their purchases in this gen, so with some management the 500 will be enough.

For PS+ subscribers, you will need a minimum of 1TB. Right now with ps3 & vita, I feel like I'm swimming in a sea of games, I delete games to free space for others every month. You will not need to upgrade right away, once the games for ps4 starts rolling in IGC like now with ps3 then you will find it essential, unless you enjoy to delete games.

fourOeightshark4365d ago

500 GB will be enough for me thanks to the play while downloading feature. Redownloading uninstalled games won't be an issue.

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bumnut4365d ago (Edited 4365d ago )

500GB is plenty of storage, you don't need to have all of your games installed at once.

500GB should be enough for 30 games +

Not all games are big, and don't forget that disc based games include multiple languages.

kayoss4365d ago

500gb is enough for an average gamer. But If you are a PSN plus member, thats not enough. I currently have a 750gb hd on my PS3 and I can tell you that I've already filled up 515gb (had to go check and confirm) with every single PSN plus game offered so far.
If PSN plus follow its trend to the next gen, I dont think 500gb will be enough.

badz1494365d ago

if games are not all mandatory full install, then 500GB is plenty

GribbleGrunger4365d ago

When did Sony say that you have to install everything? As far as I know, you have the choice.

B-radical4365d ago

Agreed i wanna know how external HDs work with next gen consoles.

But anyway it happens every cycle starts of small then goes massive prob be 2tb versions of x1 and ps4 at end of cycle

duli144365d ago

It will be enough for xbox one, but for PS4 with PS plus I don't think so.

GameCents4365d ago

If the Xbox One allows the use of an external harddrive in tandem with the internal 500 gig then I see no problem.
Obviously you will not be able to play a game off one hard drive while accessing DLC or even music on the other but as long as upgrading doesn't mean having to transfer all data from the internal then I say it's a big win for the consumer.

B-radical4365d ago

I read somewhere xbox one will be able to use external hard drive so should ps4

Hicken4365d ago

That... doesn't quite make sense.

For one, playing a game off an external wouldn't be as fast as an internal, even if it IS through USB 3.0.

For another, that's an extra device you need- most likely formatted and dedicated solely to holding games and saves- in order to play games.

And of course you'd have to transfer the data when upgrading from one internal to another. How else do you expect to upgrade?

And how do you figure it's a "big win" for anybody? If consumers wanna make CERTAIN they've got enough space for a generation of gaming on XBOne, they'll need to add something onto their console. Sorry, but that's not nearly as efficient or sensible as just allowing you to upgrade the internal.

Hell, that's yet another way XBOne is a step backwards from the 360, which allowed you to upgrade(albeit with their own proprietary hard drives that only went up to a certain size).

The best option is to allow consumers to upgrade the internal. THAT would be a win for the consumer.

GameSpawn4365d ago (Edited 4365d ago )

I always thought this was Microsoft's biggest oversight. They just want control over what hard drives go in their console when really it isn't that big of a deal. I can only think it is that they cannot figure out a way to restore the OS to the hard drive, when a new one is installed, via on-board flash or through a firmware update run via USB (ala PS3) because their OS is too big for this to be feasible.

Also the external USB will never be as fast as native SATA, even if it is USB3.0.

Thank god Sony understands the importance of user replaceable and upgradable hard drives. I liked that I could change out the HDD in my PS3 for an SSD which performs MUCH better and generates considerably less heat (yeah it was more expensive, but it was worth it). The PS4 has already been confirmed to have a user replaceable drive and I plan on getting a 1TB in there come hell or high water. I just hope SSD 1TBs will drop a little in price by the time I get a PS4 because the Crucial M500 is around $600 right now (at $300-400 I'd start consider getting one as an upgrade, otherwise I'll stick with standard HDDs until the price drops).

Blackdeath_6634365d ago

it is if you can replace or upgrade the hard drive

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Gazondaily4365d ago (Edited 4365d ago )

I think it should be. I have hardly used up the 250GB (or so) on my 360.

[Edit]- Actually, as Excalibur mentions, mandatory installs might take up a lot of space.

Still, I'm content with 500GB for now.

mandf4365d ago

@Septic

The 360 didn't use Blu-ray. That format changes the coding of a game to a certain extent. Certain codes are reused on different layers adding up to larger games. Not to mention things aren't as compressed because of the amount of space.

I too have a 250gbs but I can only put 28 games on it with 4gbs left. Look at these current gen games

The last of us 26gb

Call of duty 14gb

tomb raider 9gb

Battlefield 3 13gb

Demon souls 8gb

Vanquish 12gb

Imfamous 16gb

In the seven games I listed is a 100gb right there. That almost half the hard drive. I currently have access to 300 games on the psn store and can only fit 28. That is sad and I won't let it happen to me again.

I was just trying to give you a different way of looking at it.

Gazondaily4365d ago

Ah wow...that put things in perspective!

I suspect a lot of uninstalling/re-installing to happen

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mandf4365d ago

Yes and it sucks waiting. I can't wait for download and start next gen. Thousands of gbs of info aaargrh. I would love to have all my games access-able at once. It's an easy mistake to make. Think about it. Anyone reading do your self a favor and hook it up.

Serg4365d ago

And with the bump in texture sizes, expect games to hit the 50GB ceiling pretty soon. Kojima managed to hit it with current gen 5 years ago already.

God of War III was 33-40GB I believe.

And people are dreaming about a digital only future with their 10MBit connection and 500GB of storage...

mandf4365d ago (Edited 4365d ago )

@Serg

You are absolutely correct. We going from 720p and mostly lower to native 1080p that in its self is a lot of info. Not to mention 5gb and 7gb so far of the system ram and developers are going to make larger worlds. Games are going to take up a lot of space.

Serg4365d ago

Yup, and while we're on the topic of system ram, fun fact: The XBox One and PS4s total system memory is bigger than ~95% of XBox 360 games (Excluding the few multi disc games).

DVD9, which is the format the 360 uses, has a total capacity of 8,5GB. However, due to the fact that mandated data from Microsoft has to be on every game disc, most games are only a little over 7GB in size. Among other things, developers have to include 480p and 720p (maybe even 1080p, not sure) video tracks of the Xbox 360 intro on the disc, which is played when you insert the disc into a DVD player, telling you to put the disc into a 360.

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NYC_Gamer4365d ago

Nope,the installs will eat up that 500gb.

dcj05244365d ago

No. Give me a terabyte and I'm set all generation.

colonel1794365d ago

60 GB sounded like a great option for PS3 at launch. I actually thought that PS4 and XBox One would launch with at least 1TB, but we'll definitely see that changing in the future. Even more at the end of the console life cycle.

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The Real Enemy of Gaming Isn’t DEI. It’s the CEO

From Horse Armor to Mass Layoffs: The Price of Greed in Gaming. Inside the decades-long war on game workers and the players who defend them.

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jambola21d ago

maybe a real enemy is people who use terms like "the real enemy"
there can be more than 1 bad thing, t's not like a kids show with 1 big bad

senorfartcushion19d ago

This is very much a “dummy who volunteers themselves to the middle” comment.

The real enemy is a common phrase, people use it all the time.

Calm down.

jambola19d ago

i'm very calm
you seem very upset however

Notellin18d ago

You don't seem calm at all. Don't take this so seriously, you seem desperate responding to others defending your opinion that lacks any value or critical thought.

jambola18d ago

stop projecting
i'm not desperately dong anything, i'm tapping at keys on my keyboard bud

PapaBop18d ago

It's not like kids show with one bad guy? I present to you.. Bobby Kotick

ABizzel118d ago (Edited 18d ago )

DEI was never the problem and it was an ignorant take to begin with.

DEI is why games like Kena Bridge of Spirits, South of Midnight, and Ghost of Tsushima exist.

DEI is why we have a huge resurgence in Japanese, Chineses, and Korean developers producing games like Stellar Blade, Black Myth, and why Nintendo & Sony exist.

DEI is why more and more games have HUGE accessibility options with both Sony and MS fully behind this.

DEI was never a bad thing, the entire purpose of DEI is representation of all people, genders, disabilities, etc…

The problem was people used DEI as a default derogatory term to describe what they believed was forced representation, which allowed colorist, racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, and xenophobic fools to run away with the negative DEI narrative.

jambola18d ago

you don't get to decide other people's motivations
sorry to break it to you

ABizzel117d ago (Edited 17d ago )

To each their own, however, nothing you said invalidates why some people take offense to DEI incorrectly.

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Sciurus_vulgaris21d ago

Executives seem to often have an obsession with perpetual revenue growth. There is always a finite amount of consumers for a product regardless of growth. Additionally, over investment is another serious issue in gaming.

Killer2020UK19d ago

The fact that they also rarely have any real expertise in game development compounds things. They'll look at what's been successful elsewhere, lack the knowledge to properly understand why they have been successful and then force a team to 'reproduce' their badly interpreted idea of that success.

We see it so often with sequels to games that were successful too. The team are left well alone, they have a break through hit and all of sudden the money men descend on the IP and completely railroad the dev team's ideas. Usually winds up being 'make the same game but MORE'

LoveSpuds18d ago

This is true throughout all of the corporate and public sector organisations to be honest. CEO's generally move amongst the corporate world without any need to have experience of a particular industry, they simply need to rely on their senior leadership credentials. A CEO of a retail giant will just as easily transition to a CEO role in the energy sector for example.

Not defending CEOs here to be clear, I think it's a huge part of the reason the western world is so fucked up. CEOs don't need to care about the sector they work in, in fact it's better if they don't care if they want to screw everyone to make profits.

GhostScholar19d ago

Companies don’t hire executives to break even. If the goal is breaking even then why start the company in the first place.

Soy19d ago

That's understood; it's getting record profits and expecting to always beat those record profits, and seeing anything less as a total failure. Then they lay people off and raise prices to reach those record profit levels again, just to sate shareholders. It's setting expectations way too high just to spike share prices, then inevitably falling short. It's feeling entitled to being more successful than everyone else. It's the CEOs doing all this to boost their own bonuses.

ABizzel118d ago

Growth benefits the company’s profits and therefore the company’s stock if publicly traded, which pleases the shareholders making them more and more rich, which is why Growth is always at the forefront of the vast majority of any publicly traded company.

More growth = More Money and the people at the top want all the money they can get. I can’t really blame them anyone would love to see their profits go from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, to multi-millions it’s almost like a gambling addiction.

But it also goes to show someone how morals can go out the window for a lot of these people, and how amazing some CEOs are when they catch this early and provide a balance solution that takes complete care of their employees across the board while keeping the business sustainable IE: Insomniac Games ALWAYS on the best places to work list. The rest of the industry could learn.

jambola20d ago

honestly, the "real" enemy of gaming, is ourselves
if nobody bought horse armor, shitty dlc would have died almost overnight
if we stood firm and nobody bought games from companies that were bad with layoffs, it would be solved
we're the idiots supporting awful business practices, we are the ones enouraging it

TiredGamer19d ago

I think the reality that we don't want to convince ourselves of is that without the rise of "horse armor" and DLC, game budgets would have essentially stagnated (smaller teams/smaller games), or game prices would have risen much more dramatically than they have. There was an incessant drive for bigger worlds, infinite detail, and hundreds of hours of "gameplay" over the last two decades, that while perhaps a natural evolution of things, needed a suitable funding stream to accomplish.

HyperMoused19d ago

What...CEOs make tens of millions and that doesnt include SLT etc etc...we now have multiple editions of games, in game currency, MT's, battle passes.....and what do we get..worse game than what was coming out 20 years ago....dont drink the cool aid, its this nickel and dime crap that is absolutely leading us to gaming destruction.

senorfartcushion19d ago

This is the worst possible answer to this conundrum. Blaming the masses is blaming the only people who are constantly “told” to buy.

Consumers are the only ones not to blame here. People make their own choices all the time. Disney movies are bombing and DEInis being blamed. Has that been enough to put Disney out of business? No and it never will.

Christopher19d ago

Disagree. Businesses are able to do what they do because people are bad consumers and don't think critically about purchases. Disney got away with doing shit stuff for years and it's just the last year where people got tired of it. It's not like it didn't work for 5 years or so for Disney to do the things they've done. They'll just move onto another way to get people to see movies and it will be just as bad but more profitable until people wake up and realize it.

TiredGamer19d ago

Consumerism drives business behavior. It's not so much "blaming" as it is observing behavior. The point I'm making is that the direction that games have gone are driven by the spending. Consumers are spending on DLC and they are driving the expectation of more glitz and padded out (lengthier) games. If they continue to pay, they will continue to drive that direction until a threshold is reached that forces a change in behavior.

senorfartcushion19d ago

Corporate advertising is the most powerful force on the planet.

This is N4G for god sake, every day there are arguments between people who are Team Xbox and Team PlayStation because they’ve been convinced that having an identity built on paying money to Sony and Microsoft matters more than having one as individual gamers who can play whatever they want.

And THEN we get to the corporate advertising part: to play whatever you want is to sink MORE into the advertising pits, making it so that you can more than one specific product.

jambola19d ago

ah you're right
they were told to buy it, it's clearly impossible to avoid that
if enough people stopped supporting, it would stop
disney not stopping would only be because enough people didn't stop

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victorMaje19d ago

Agreed. I’ve been saying for years, announce you won’t be buying the upcoming game because of the practices of the previous game, then you only have to stick to your guns once, see how quickly things change for the better.

We have to unite in what we shouldn’t purchase.

jambola19d ago

just imagine a world, fifa came out worse, nobody buys the next one until they see proof it's better and stick to it
or games being forced online for single player and nobody buys it
things would change so fast

HyperMoused19d ago

Just like scooby doo, you have shown us the real monsters are us

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Inverno19d ago

Greed and greedy people have and always will be the main issue for everything wrong in the world. Everything is a product to be exploited for monetary gain. Even when there are things that could help progress us along for the sake of making our lives easier that thing must be exploited for monetary gains. Anything that tells you otherwise is propaganda to make you complicit.

coolfool19d ago

I've never thought "DEI" (although the way most people use it doesn't match it's real definition) is the problem with games. Good games have continued to be good when they have a diverse cast, and likewise, bad games have continued to be bad. There isn't a credible example I've seen where a diverse cast has been the direct cause of a game being bad.

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