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Microsoft and Sony will eventually revert their game ownership policies, what matters is how

Polygon: "Microsoft's flip-flop on its controversial game licensing policy, which would have restricted game ownership on the Xbox One, is a well-deserved, albeit ephemeral, win for consumer rights.

That will change, both for the worse and for the better. Microsoft's shift in direction is the best proof of how, when it comes to DRM, even one of Earth's largest companies will find a way to be agile."

GDDR6_20143980d ago

They don't need to do anything, eventually all games will be released digital only

xHeavYx3980d ago

The Xbox is the only console built for DRM and other evilness

CRAIG6673980d ago

How do you know that? I am almost certain Sony are just as prepared for DRM as any other company moving into to the future...

HammadTheBeast3980d ago

Because although they patented it before MS, they said they had no plans for it at all. Meanwhile, MS has only backed off because of negative press and bad pre-orders, if that changes, they might "accidentally" flip the switch.

aquamala3980d ago

@CRAIG667

like OP said, no additional DRM are needed, just make games digital only, digital games are already locked to your account and you can't sell or trade it in.

BattleAxe3980d ago

"They don't need to do anything, eventually all games will be released digital only"

This will only happen if the console manufacturers and game publishers see the demand for digital downloads. The fact that MS has backed down from their DRM policies shows that people understand what is happening in the world today, and it shows that with anti-consumer policies, even the mightiest of companies will destroy themselves if they go against what consumers want.

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rainslacker3980d ago (Edited 3980d ago )

I agree. Let the transition happen naturally. They can speed it along by finding ways to make it more attractive. In order to make it more attractive it has to remove most of the negatives of DD.

In the end, retail will still exist for quite some time. The two markets can coexist, and there's no real reason to restrict one to promote the other.

I really don't understand all these articles which see retail as a bad thing. It's a natural and instinctive way for people to buy games. The vilifying of retail is going way too far.

bonafide7323980d ago

Me either
its gonna happen naturally but dont try to force one upon the other
retail isnt going anywhere for awhile
it just isnt

Corpser3980d ago

So true now that next gen consoles will have minimum 500GB and the tech that lets you start playing while downloading the game

HammadTheBeast3980d ago

Polygon's so stupid.

Also, just pointing out, the Xbox One still has the capabilities to pull off DRM/Used games restrictions, only a day one software patch is allowing those. Any day now, I see them reverting.

Or maybe not.

August 21 Gamescom 2013 - Sony Exclusive Guns Coming Out

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Godmars2903980d ago

But at this point MS can only reinstitute DRM before launch. Afterwards and especially a few months or years later there's going to be too many systems offline for them to simply say "you must do things this way".

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extermin8or3980d ago

oooh day before my birthday :) what I neat present that could be :p

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Transporter473980d ago

Sony revert something they never intended i see what you did there.

Ezz20133980d ago

it's Polygon
what did you expect ?!

Sarobi3980d ago

Give a year or two down the road and you'll have your answer to just how it'll be back.

Godmars2903980d ago (Edited 3980d ago )

How is it that Sony gets repeatedly lumped in with MS's mistakes?

Sure we're never going to know if they would have gone through with their DRM plans if MS hadn't been both obvious and incompetent in how they handled theirs, but still.

When Sony makes a mistake or seems to, its only Sony's mistake. But when MS makes one Sony gets mentioned by default.

I mean to this day BR was seen as pointless when first introduced, and yet MS compensated for the lack of a HD disc format at least three times. Two of which required major rewrites of the 360's system OS and how they handled games entirely.

WalterWJR3980d ago

They don't,, this site is funded by Microsoft.
They are paid to talk crap basically.

Tyre3980d ago (Edited 3980d ago )

@WalterWJR Well Said! The spindoctors and selffulfilling prophecy attempters are at it again trying to confuse and brainwash gamers in favor of the greedy. Yes that includes the über-projector & King of the DRM & Micro-Transactions MS Drone Clifford Blezinski (which already ruined his own Gears of War & most games). All pathetic attemps to justify their own greedy policies. Instead making a heartfelt & honest excuse to the gamer community...they act like we are guilty of something? The well known fingerpointing instead of acknowledging their own wrong. So dissapointing. It's quite simple, we refuse to buy in to this...they all should be thinking about a fair balance between customer & company. They just provide an entertainmentservice not a lifesaving heart surgery operation service. Why in the hell are they so arrogant & demanding of customers? We all should see through their sleezy slick talk & con attempts.

FamilyGuy3980d ago (Edited 3980d ago )

I agree, I'm getting tired of reading articles like this. Every negative thing about MS is instantly put on Sony in a "They'll probably do it too" sort of spin.

These companies and most of their policies are completely different.

Why o why3980d ago (Edited 3980d ago )

The 360 drm pushers were soooo hoping sony would follow suit to justify their 'them to' claims. Now they're moved to saying its going to happen....pathetic..... 7 years of 'its going to happen' ....I'm already bored after 7 days. Obviously its the future but ms aren't the deciders on when

Tyre3980d ago (Edited 3980d ago )

@Familyguy They brought this on to themselves....what is wrong with you? Low attention-span/Low stamina? You ain't married to Microsoft are you? Is your life depending on their succes? Also the gaming industry isn't dependant on Microsoft's succes. Microsoft wanted to hijack the industry/our hobbies/licences if they succeeded with their closed system everybody in the industry would be in their control. Xbone was exposed as a big scheme and rightly so. But Microsoft kept talking vague or flat out denying. We gamers kept seeing through their lies and rightly so. The thing is Sony was just more straightforward and never spindoctered at all. They had the gamers in mind and a fair deal for the customer....hell even the policies & the price($399) were internally decided (with the gamers in mind) before MS even announced their Xbone & policies/price.

FamilyGuy3980d ago

Tyre, what are going on about?
We're on the same page, was my comment difficult to understand? I'm definitely not on MSs side lol, look at my account/history.

What I said was games journalist are full of sh** because they constantly try to push MSs crappy tactics and faults onto Sony.

For example: Sony from the start explained that they wouldn't force any drm, that it would basically just be (something like) online passes again. When Mircosofts DRM and restrictions came out everyone completely forgot what Sony had already stated and crappy games journalist started Claiming Sony would follow suit.

This article is continuing that trend, even after Sony has shown and proven that they are vastly different from MS and are taking a much more consumer friendly approach. I'm tired of reading articles like this and I wish I could down vote the site again. They're pathetic.

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18811d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus231d 7h ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville23h ago(Edited 23h ago)

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

rokos21h ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb3320h ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC11h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled1d 12h ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies1d ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear2119h ago(Edited 19h ago)

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k41d 16h ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot1d 15h ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC11h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon6158620h ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k415h ago(Edited 15h ago)

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k415h ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody1d 15h ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead1d 5h ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya1d 2h ago (Edited 1d 2h ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage22h ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast1d 15h ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19791d 14h ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel1d 6h ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage22h ago(Edited 22h ago)

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn197919h ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage22h ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead3d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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Microsoft once tried to nab LittleBigPlanet from Sony after a few drinks

It turns out that many moons ago, Microsoft once had its eye on the Sony published LittleBigPlanet series.

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XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Microsoft had a good idea but fumbled it again.

Cacabunga2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Project Spark idea was decent but they quickly gave up ..
LBP was wonderful

ApocalypseShadow3d ago

Microsoft in a nutshell. Always tried to poach Sony employees, games, 3rd party games and devices like the depth camera that was turned into Kinect but was running on PS2 before Xbox 360. Wouldn't be surprised they wanted LBP. Just like they worked behind the scenes pushing the MLB to bring Sony's baseball game to Xbox instead of making their own.
https://www.playstationlife...

They didn't spend years trying to develop their own baseball game. They wanted Sony's game.

They're scum.

Zachmo1822d ago

Microsoft didn't force MLB on Xbox. MLB gave Sony 2 options either go multiplat or risk losing the license.

Rynxie2d ago

And why do you think MLB said that? I believe Ms approached MLB.

ApocalypseShadow2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Totally ridiculous comment.

The only exclusivity Sony had was to their own creation of The Show. Microsoft could have paid the MLB for the license just like Sony did and made their own baseball game.

Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox. They're worth 3 TRILLION dollars. You think that's not enough money to make their own baseball game? Don't be delusional.

Microsoft spun it like they always do and told the media that they had to trust Sony with their hardware. After they put Sony in that position of not having a choice. Either go multiplatform or stop making one of their successful games. That's a no win scenario.

And what did Microsoft do? They didn't try to sell the game to the Xbox community. They put it on game pass to hurt Sony. Pushing the idea of why buy games that are $70 when you can play them in their cheap service for $10. It was a dirty tactic.

You fell for the Kool aid drink Microsoft served you instead of spitting it out. Hope it tasted good because you were fooled by Phil and the gang.

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Hereandthere1d 21h ago

Xbox executive Sara Bond has told Axios that Microsoft spent a number of years trying to get MLB The Show onto Xbox consoles. And when it finally succeeded in breaking off PlayStation’s long-held exclusivity, the company had to “trust” Sony with pre-release Xbox Series X/S consoles.

Bond revealed that MLB The Show “always came up” in conversations between Microsoft and the Major League Baseball organization. “We always said, ‘We love this game. It would be a huge opportunity to bring it to Xbox.'” she recalled. However, when Microsoft’s efforts materialized, it put the company in an awkward situation where it had to send in pre-release consoles to a rival company.

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Notellin2d ago

"Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox."

Take a nap, conspiracies are rotting your brain.

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Hereandthere1d 21h ago

Xbox executive Sara Bond has told Axios that Microsoft spent a number of years trying to get MLB The Show onto Xbox consoles. And when it finally succeeded in breaking off PlayStation’s long-held exclusivity, the company had to “trust” Sony with pre-release Xbox Series X/S consoles.

ApocalypseShadow1d 7h ago

Lying to yourself is unbecoming.

Article link tells you all you need to know in Sarah Bond's own words.

Hereandthere1d 21h ago

They were too cheap/inept/lazy to develop their own mlb game, so they port begged for years and bribed the mlb to make the show multiplatform. Like i said many times, xbox brought nothing to the table their 24 years, ZERO.

ApocalypseShadow1d 7h ago

At least you and others get it. Note drank the Kool aid and asked for seconds thinking it was refreshing.

Most don't even know how it all played out but it's there in black and white for all to see. Microsoft brought it up for years until the MLB forced Sony's hand. It was a win win for Microsoft. Kill one reason to buy a PlayStation or kill the game by dropping it in a cheap service to kill Sony's sales numbers on PlayStation.

OtterX2d ago

"However, Healey said Media Molecule wouldn't have felt right doing that, adding it would have been "morally corrupt"."

Major kudos to Media Molecule for being an upright studio with principles.

Cockney1d 2h ago

They chose well, Sony gave them the backing to pursue their dreams with no restrictions even tho their games especially dreams have very niche appeal. Media molecule and Sony deserve respect for this in an age of risk averse publishing.

RNTody2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Great, more stories like this please. Show the last of the zombies holding the line what we've been saying for years: Microsoft is anti competition, anti industry and has no interest in making games at all.

But hey, at least there's an Xbox Games Showcase to look forward to, right?

Inverno2d ago

Well considering SONY just killed the series, LBP would've been dead by now either way. Though MM probably wouldn't exist by now either, so I'm glad they stayed with SONY, hopefully they don't get shut down any time soon or ever honestly.

Inverno2d ago

They shut down the servers, that's millions of user created levels gone. That and dead are pretty much the same, it's also been years since 3 and they cancelled HUB soooo.

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fsfsxii2d ago

They shutdown the servers because no one was playing, no one in the community cared about the user created levels so why keep them up? Wtf you guys would never succeed in running a business.

Inverno2d ago

Yea dood no one was playing so they shut off the servers. Cause people with enough common sense can't just Google why they were actually shut of, right?

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