Building a next-gen console spec rig just got affordable.
I see the point this guy is trying to make, but the average consumer is not going to spend 1000-1800 (cpu’s can cost another 399 or more) to build a PC. Let alone 500 for just a graphics card. I’m not sure why some PC heads are so dense to understand that simple economical concept?
Hmm I'm thinking differently. Upgrading my GPU with the RTX 3080 and investing in a PS5 for it's *exclusives* feels like it's all I need next generation
Why get both when Sony said they're going to bring their exclusive to pc.
“Why get both when Sony said they're going to bring their exclusive to pc.“ Maybe because a PS5 is much cheaper than a PC and you get to play their exclusives day 1 and not have to wait. This isn’t the case where Xbox games release day and date on PC.
Well rest assured you are gonna need more than a Graphics Card to play games.
"Why get both when Sony said they're going to bring their exclusive to pc." Sony is not gonna let PS5 exclusives come to PC. But rather older titles. They are not gonna demolish a market they have spent generation to build up.
"Sony is not gonna let PS5 exclusives come to PC. But rather older titles." wasn't Death Stranding though announced for pc within weeks of reviews. Reviews (309D AGO 2019) https://n4g.com/news/230508... https://n4g.com/news/230506... https://n4g.com/news/230503... PC announcement (313D AGO 2019) https://n4g.com/news/230386... Top N4G Quote - Doge - "It was expected, but announcing it before the launch is surprising." So you could very well say that includes new games as well.
take it from the fans - Playstation gamers - "they are not bringing ps exclusives to pc." https://n4g.com/news/231463... Sony - "we are bringing ps exclusives to pc." https://n4g.com/news/233143... https://www.somagnews.com/s...
@ tech and blizzard Name me more 1st party PS exclusive coming out on the PC day one. You guys keep bringing up death stranding (which it was most likely going to come out on PC from the beginning) and horizon. 2 games and one of them is old. Sony isn’t going to to bring all of its exclusives to PC. If you think that then you guys are blind. They said more not all.
@jin “Maybe because a PS5 is much cheaper than a PC and you get to play their exclusives day 1 and not have to wait. “ well isn’t an xbox sx much cheaper than a gaming pc? And if you want to spend the money on a gaming PC to play xbox exclusives, why wouldn’t you use that PC to play PS5 games as well?
@Tech5 Death Stranding is not a 1st party game.
@Eonjay You are lying harder than fox news for consoles. IF you have a Pcie slot and you have a broadwell cpu thats really old you can still game at 60 fps and you console fanboys have been defending 30 fps all over this site so STFU.
@Sonyslave Bringing old PS4 games to PC in an effort to promote PS5 isn't the same thing as what you're suggesting. You're not going to see 1st party PS5 exclusives coming to PC for a very long time.
Someone is apparently unaware that Death Stranding 1 - 3rd party title 2 - When it first appeared was marked as PS4 and PC. The PC was mysteriously removed but everyone saw where that game was going. Also there was this: https://www.gamepressure.co... Another narrow minded article boiling down next gen to a single factor.
A good approach to consider, especially with Microsoft and it's joint venture with PC Console features.
How about the concept of upgrading existing PCs versus building a new one from scratch? That seems to be a common bit of willful ignorance from the console gaming camp, frankly. Every time I read a post like yours, it is this idea that folks are "going to spend 1000-1800". lol....it is just wrong. You don't have to buy/build a new PC every time the next generation CPU or GPU is launched. That is console mentality. It doesn't apply to PC gaming. You would think that would be a "simple concept" but apparently not.
Yeah most of the time you don't even need an upgrade if you already invested in a decent cpu and graphics card. For next gen I can see myself spending for a new graphics card ...but that would be enough for next gen and probably the gen after that.
Well, if you are going for a significant upgrade (like many people probably since not really that many have the latest card).. You could easily be looking into also upgrading the ram to ddr4, the ssd to an nvme, that means a new mobo is also needed (also the mobo might be necessary if you want pcie4.0). Those components alone have to be easily pushing the $1000 without considering a potential cpu change as well. Sure you dont always need to change all components, but given the new-newish versions of many things recently, its not really that out of the question to think a lot of people would be looking at changing the vast majority of things (and then not really have to for at least 5 years) . Otherwise you are just going to start bottlenecking the hell out of the pc if you just consider gpu changes
If you upgrade to the latest and greatest GPU but are pairing it with 4-5 year old CPU, RAM, hard drive etc. then you've just moved the bottlenecks. The rest of the system will hold you back.
@kneon Like PS4 and Xbox and PS4 Pro and Xbox One X? All using that jaguar CPU. You want to talk about bottlenecks? That's the thing. You have no choice but to go with what Sony and MS give you. Not PC gamers. They have a choice. That's the point. Let's revisit this in two or three years and see where we stand. PC always outpaces console. And now consoles incorporate tech from PC. @joejoejoe "I know because I have a seven-year-old PC right now. " Oh great. An expert on PC gaming. /s You know jack shit.
Sometimes you do though. Not all Mobo fit all new cards of any sort. Power supplies etc. may need a change. I just went through this and got an AMD 3700x and a GTX 1080. Still decent but not near this level and nope, I can't afford it now. :(
There is nothing unique or special about Nvidia launching graphics cards that are far more performant than the ones found in the latest consoles. If you are not interested in pc gaming, and building or upgrading and existing pc then it simply doesn't matter. Everyone knew these cards would exceed whats in the PS5 and series x (amd is launching a high end version of the rdna2 cards found in both consoles soon) yet everyone acts surprised now that they've been announced.
You have to upgrade because you often have compatibility issues with new parts. You'll most likely need a new psu. You could become CPU constrained or need faster ram. The things consoles will be able to do with their superior SSDs and the architecture that makes them run more smoothly will require upgrades. You're already going have to spend nearly a thousand just to upgrade. And if you have Intel you're probably going to need a new motherboard if you upgrade your CPU. PC is a money pit.
@PrinterMan "Sometimes you do though. Not all Mobo fit all new cards of any sort. Power supplies etc. may need a change. I just went through this and got an AMD 3700x and a GTX 1080. Still decent but not near this level and nope, I can't afford it now. :(" lol....what? PCI Express 3.0 has been the standard for over 10 years. What do you mean "Not all Mobo fit all new cards of any sort". That's nonsense. "got an AMD 3700x and a GTX 1080" Is that a prebuilt? Post a link. @dcbronco "You have to upgrade because you often have compatibility issues with new parts." lol....you and joejoejoe and this silly idea that somehow GPUs took a left turn the last 10 years and and made every motherboard out there incompatible. Sorry, that didn't happen. That motherboard joejoejoe claims could take a 1080ti will handle a RTX 3000 just fine. " You could become CPU constrained or need faster ram. " Maybe. But then again that could be the case and still outperform next gen consoles. At 4K, games are typically putting a heck of a lot more pressure on GPU than anything else.
@Razzer I see the point you are making, if you can get away within a $500 budget i understand that, but if a user has 0 pc I can also understand rather getting a console... I used to play pc games but the constant upgrade I just couldn't afford it so I stopped I think 2001 round about. Got a ps4 a few years back so for me it seems sell the ps4 and get a ps5 would be wiser. The other thing was the constant driver, download, virus , spyware upgrades. The windows constant nagging, defragging drives, piracy and at the time playing on a mouse and keyboard. Consoles to me was less admin.
I think if one already has a pc, and one already uses it for gaming, then this kind of article is moot to those people. Making up anecdotal situations which dont really address the topic at hand seems pointless, because it was already possible to get more powerful cards than what the new consoles will offer. But just like both the new consoles dont perform the same based on their specs, no PC, or new GPU is going to perform the same, and making sweeping generalizations about what hardware someone may have doesnt change that. With the consoles, you get the assurance the game will run, barring the need for day one patches for some games. With PC, you're probably good most of the time, but if something goes wrong, the average person isnt really adept at fixing such problems...especially the kind of people that would be influenced by an article like this.
because it goes beyond just upgrading your video card, because you upgrade to the gtx 30 series, you simply will not get the horsepower of the card, if you have other components that are subpar bottlenecking your system, your CPU, even motherboard, have to be on the same level or close to get a card to perform to the numbers that nvidia is touting. so after that 500 dollar card, you have to get a 200 dollar motherboard that can support transfer rates of data that these video cards are pumping out. that and another 600 cpu that is capable to keeping up with the card. and that is not including ram..my point is the card does not make the computer. all your other components have to be on par with it, or you just get smaller slight graphics improvements, and slight fps increase on them most demanding games.
@kneon Oh please console fanboy there wont be a bottleneck because console games has held games back for 10 years. Games still barley use 4 cores to this day because consoles are so damn slow and devlopers always program to the lowest common denominator and thats consoles.
@joejoejoe You are lying people tested a 2080ti on Pcie 2.0 and they showed a 10 percent performance loss and most of you do not have a 2080ti.
@PrinterMan All gpus fit pcie what are you talking about? lol You may need a new powersupply but you dont know what you are talking about lol.
@Zeroyosh Even if the system does have some bottlenecks that performance will more than likely be greater than consoles. You don't have to have a perfectly balanced system. Consoles haven't had that the last seven years and suddenly console gamers are pointing out the flaws of potential PC configurations that not NEARLY as out of whack? Come on. " so after that 500 dollar card, you have to get a 200 dollar motherboard that can support transfer rates of data that these video cards are pumping out. that and another 600 cpu that is capable to keeping up with the card. and that is not including ram" Fiction. A $95 B550 AMD chipset motherboard has PCIe 4.0 x16. A $290 8-core Ryzen 7 3700x will do fine as well. Hell, a $200 6 core is adequate enough. No idea where this $600 CPU fantasy came from. As long as you have DDR4 RAM, it is fine. "my point is the card does not make the computer." No, but it is THE most crucial part of a gaming PC especially if you gaming at 1440p and 2160p where the GPU takes most of the grunt work away from the CPU.