Xbox One Dev: 'We Have Just As Many Pre-order Numbers As PS4', Details Snapping Feature

"Remember how Sony boasted about having excellent pre-order numbers for the PlayStation 4, boasting roughly 1 million pre-orders before launch? Till now, we haven't learnt too much about how the pre-order numbers for the Xbox One are looking like."

[Ksar]

Not even surprised. Xbox One : Day One :)

[MiHX2]

I don't understand why people Disagree with you about anything and vote bubble down only because you say that you like the Xbox One.
If those guys are watching this comment,Then I must tell you one thing:You are just immature.

[WeAreLegion]

You don't read his comments very often, do you?

[SonyKong64]

it's because some of us don't stand for anti consumer greed tactics, no matter how many oops we got caught trying to rape you 180s they do..

this coming from 9 years loyal to Xbox..

how don't you get this?

[MiHX2]

You are legion.You are anonymous.You don't belong to here.

[HugoDrax]

@SonyKong64

" anti consumer greed tactics"

Seriously? I know you aren't defending Sony and their proprietary accessories? I can't even charge my damn PSPGO because I misplaced the charger. Then on top of that, UMD? Memory sticks? Memory stick duos? Man the list goes on....stop acting as if Sony is some religion that you worship and they don't practice consumer greed tactics. How else do you think they will get their company back into the positive. Meanwhile Microsofts financial numbers are in the GREEN. You fanboys are hilarious..

[Burrito26a]

Always wasting you're single bubble with "Xbox One: day one."

[awesomeperson]

What I want to know, is how he got a "Well Said".

[garos82]

Because this ifs a Sony website/s

[Vames]

The Xbox developer could be right. People have access to the available statistics, from several retailers. However, everyone seems to forget that Microsoft has its own retail stores. Combine the pre-order numbers from MS retail stores with other retailers and the numbers could truly match the PS4 pre-order numbers.

[stuna1]

What has that got to do with anything? Last I checked Sony have their own stores also.

[Vames]

@stuna: What do you mean by "What has that got to do with anything?" No one knows how much pre-orders goes through Microsoft's retail stores. And if we don't know, how can we come up with an accurate number of the overall Xbox One pre-orders?

Yes, Sony has its own online store, but what's your point?

This website is lacking intelligence on the part of several users such as yourself.

[stuna1]

Instead of trying to act like you told me something I as well as others don't know try re-reading my comment the way it's written! Everyone knows Microsoft have their own stores, just like everyone knows that Sony has their own stores/online stores! So my questions still remains how is this solely benefiting Microsoft!?

Seems like you're the only one lacking intelligence!

[Vames]

@stuna: Is there something wrong with your thinking process? This is not about the benefits of the stores. Sony has its store, that's true. However, Sony announced its pre-order numbers, Microsoft did not. So at this point folks can only go by the numbers they have for retail outlets such as Amazon etc, but they will not have close to the full numbers unless they know how much pre-orders went through Microsoft's retail stores.

The above is all I'm trying to say, why are you making it so difficult to understand?

[rainslacker]

To be fair to the developer's comment, he did just say that MS has at least "over 1 million" units. He never really said that they were neck and neck with Sony or that he was privy to Sony's pre-order sales.

A lot of people don't realize that developers actually do have access to those numbers if they are high enough up in the food chain. Publishers certainly know how many consoles are expected to sell by now. It's how they make decisions on which systems to support. If this guy is a MS studio developer, it's unlikely he would know, but it isn't unheard of for developers to talk to one another, and sometimes information gets around. I've been in developer forums, and they talk about stuff sometimes.

[Philoctetes]

"As per this reply, the dev stated, “When I saw reports of Sony having a million or 1.5 million pre-orders for the PS4, I didn’t even think twice about it. We’re not disclosing pre-order numbers at the moment for accounting reasons but I know for a fact we have just as many. Don’t be bogged by published statistics. At the end of all this, what matters is the games you want to play."

This anonymous developer is absolutely right that games are what matters, not sales. Having said that, Microsoft spent the last generation making a big deal out of their sales numbers, so I'm pretty skeptical that they're keeping them confidential this time for "accounting reasons." Yeah, right.

[monkeyDzoro]

It was on the tip of my lips, bro.
MS, failing to take a shot at Sony, when it comes to SALES ?!
Apocalypse incoming !
LoL

[n4rc]

they had to last generation... they were fighting the incumbent and were trying to establish themselves..

now that sales are essentially even between them, They dont need to talk about it.. xbox has been firmly established as a brand

my .02

[harrisk954]

@n4rc

What the heck kind of logic is that? MS is being bashed left and right in the media and in game forms every day. They have been on nothing but the defensive since the XB1 announcement. Don't tell me that if XB1 had "just as many" pre-orders as PS4 that MS would be shouting it from the rooftops... They don't need to give exact numbers (Sony hasn't), but if they were even close, there would be some announcement from Major Nelson or some other MS PR team member.

[kenshiro100]

...In English please.

[stuna1]

You spend a lot of time awake at night don't you!?

[DoubleM70]

32 Disagree for telling the truth. The brand has been established.

[filipakos]

Yeah games matter.With xbox one is like they forgot about 360.Only multiplatform games from now on?

[BG11579]

@ Philoctetes Well said bubble up!

@n4rc, even well estabilished things may fall.
Just in September, the PS3 outsold the 360 in the US in years! One could say, this means nothing, but haven't you noticed that MS' PR machine has been working overtime since?

http://www.pcworld.com/arti...

[mkis007]

So right you are, Notice how MS orignilly talked meta scores and sales to the end user, no more meta scores and the recent figured had them claiming shipped.

The " I know for a fact" thing is making me cringe because I hate it when people say "fact" like it makes the argument true no matter how much opinion is used. It is not a fact, it is his opinion with the knowledge he has, which wouldn't include Sony's preorder numbers. The only thing that is known is that as of gamescom ps4 preorders were over 1 million, Microsoft did not give them out. Ms thumped its chest through the first4 years of the current gen, we know them better to believe they would hold back.

[s8anicslayer]

Great news for Microsoft if the pre order numbers are true, but the consensus is people saying other wise through word of mouth or online survey in favor of the PS4. So I can't see how they can be even steven unless the consumers are lying.

[sic_chops]

Right. Consumers and polls do not lie, but but Microshaft has and still does.

[n4rc]

polls are meaningless...

every 12 year old with no job can click that button all he wants, it doesnt mean mommy is buying it for him.

amazon had ps4 listed as higher and everyone flocked to that.. but what about walmart, bestbuy and all the physical retail stores etc?

we never had the full story

[IcicleTrepan]

What I have seen though are people on various sites cancelling their PS4 preorders and going to Xbox One as to them Xbox One has the launch games.

I'm getting both so I don't really care but it is an interesting thing going on. There are people out there that are waiting on the PS4 to get more games before they buy. That will come, but to them, it's a preorder cancel for launch day.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Your reasoning is stupid, you're assuming that PS4 has won every survey thus far because of twelve year olds? What evidence do you have that backs your theory?

[Eonjay]

Polls are meaningless...

So too were the famous last of Governor Romney's failed election campaign.

[strickers]

How convenient for you. Polls, retailers, reports all mean nothing. Did you say something about 12 year olds? Pot, kettle , black. You are coming across as ludicrous.

[Ashby_JC]

All I know is that I was lucky to get a pre-order in for the XBOX One. I had the money saved for awhile and never pre-ordered.

There isnt any PS4 or XB1 available for pre-order...at least every where I looked it was SOLD OUT!!!!

Now being sold out doesnt mean that one has more then the other but it does mean that there is DEMAND for both systems. And that in my book is great!!!

This whole back and forth is pathetic. We are all gamers but this brand loyalty is extreme!!

[kenshiro100]

Sure, polls mean nothing. if they were in the favor of the XB1, you would be singing a different tune.

You're not fooling anyone.

[ShwankyShpanky]

"What I have seen though are people on various sites cancelling their PS4 preorders and going to Xbox One as to them Xbox One has the launch games."

Yup, it's all been people abandoning Sony for the Xbone... never the other way around. /s

[rainslacker]

I believe random internet polls are meaningless as well. Strange, I don't often agree with you.

HOWEVER, when every internet poll tends to come back with the same result it does start to lend credence to what the results are. When additional reports surface about the ratio's between the console pre-orders that back up the results of those polls, it does give those polls more credence. When forums and social media outlets are generally in favor in the same ratios as those polls, it does lend weight to what those polls are saying.

Also, it's a fallacy that every internet poll is set up to allow unlimited voting. Quite a few use IP to limit the number of times you can vote. I know there are crazy people out there, but why would anyone, particularly a 12 year old, sit there masking their IP to vote enough times to change the weight of those polls so drastically?

[123pol]

yeaaaah i call this 100% bull

[OlgerO]

Lets look at the facts
- PS4 is much higher at all online sellers on their most sold list then the xbox one.
- many retailers have come out stating that the ps4 sales are significantly higher then xbox one

[lifeisgamesok]

I believe it. I understand some Xbox fans went and ordered a Ps4 after hearing about the DRM but there's people like me that were just waiting on them to reverse the policies to preorder

80 million this gen aren't just going to all jump ship so easy especially having their Xbox Live buddies

N4G, Neogaf only make up a small number of customers

[DragonKnight]

PS2 had 152+ million users at the end of its life and more than half of them jumped ship. Live doesn't mean anything. Each new console generation is a clean slate.

[nukeitall]

Roughly half jumped shipped over the lifetime of the console, and there was nothing tying them to the same console brand previously, unless you think BC is important.

This generation, people value their account and friends. The connected gamer is what gave MS a huge edge, and I expect that same player base doesn't have an issue with the DRM and only care about playing online.

So no, each new generation is no longer a clean state when you are invested!

In addition, online is where MS has their cloud for dedicated servers and gamers will know this as evident by even first party games for Sony going P2P.

MS is also far more likely to capture Wii market as well.

So they might loose some here, and gain some there.

Let's find out next year, when supply isn't constrained!

[DragonKnight]

Yes, every generation is a clean slate. The beginning of this one is proof of that. No one cared about their Live accounts when Microsoft tried their restrictive DRM and always-online connection. No one cared about cloud power, or Kinect, or any of that B.S. and they still don't. It's about value for the money, and the Nintendo Wii proved that affordability always wins out initially.

"In addition, online is where MS has their cloud for dedicated servers and gamers will know this as evident by even first party games for Sony going P2P."

Put the pamphlet away and read some actual facts. No Sony first party game is going P2P. The very idea that the PS3 had more dedicated servers than the Xbox 360, and yet somehow the PS4 is going P2P is absolutely ludicrous. I wouldn't expect you to understand, given your paycheck, but the links are out there for you to read instead of taking Gozer's word for it.

MS won't capture the Wii market. The Wii market has moved away from consoles. They are fickle and are now into mobile phone gaming, not Kinect. And if you enjoy the idea of Microsoft dropping off support for core games as they go for the Wii market, then you have low standards and are the reason Microsoft can get away with all the anti-consumer, anti-gamer practices their hearts desire.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

@nukeitall If you think that the Wii market is going to drop 500 dollars for features they can get on a smart T.V....I don't even know what to say to you.

[CurseFlame]

Dragonknight is the perfect example of whats wrong with this site. People should be bubbled down for spreading misinformation.

"Put the pamphlet away and read some actual facts. No Sony first party game is going P2P. The very idea that the PS3 had more dedicated servers than the Xbox 360, and yet somehow the PS4 is going P2P is absolutely ludicrous. I wouldn't expect you to understand, given your paycheck, but the links are out there for you to read instead of taking Gozer's word for it."

Either you are gullible, or you know that you are lying, but KZ 4 will be P2P. You were suckered by that crap Sony put out a while back. KZ 2 and 3 were also P2P. Are Sony gamers really this misinformed?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I thought I would sign up to say this.

DragonKnight, stop spreading lies.

[DragonKnight]

@CurseFlame: I bet that's your channel. But you know, sorry to have to do this but, here's REAL information.

http://www.destructoid.com/...

See that? An actual article. What does the title say? "Killzone: Shadow Fall boasts dedicated servers."

Oh damn, did I just shove fact in your face? Yeah, yeah I did. Oh but wait, there's more.

"DragonKnight, did you even read the story? It says 'Killzone Shadow Fall has dedicated servers hosted in various regions around the world. These servers do not run the logic of the game' therefore it's P2P."

Nope.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/0...

"This means that people with slower Internet connections will have a better (keyword “better”) time playing the game than if matches were player-hosted."

Oh look at that, the matches AREN'T player hosted? Bu..bu..but that's what P2P is. So... if the matches aren't player hosted, how can it be P2P?

Yeah, you can shut up now. You just signed up to defend Xbox fanboyism? Way to be productive bud. It's more likely you are an Xbox fanboy whose account was bubbled down to 1, and since Xbox fanboys care so much about bubbles you had to make a new account using a proxy.

Feel free to continue with your efforts. But remember, bubbles aren't important.

[CurseFlame]

Are you for real Dragon?! ARE YOU FOR REAL!?

I cannot believe that you just posted that nonsense!

You were suckered buddy and so were many other Sony fans.

Those links only prove that it is really IS P2P, if your were capable of reading between the lines.

Mods! Why is this user allowed to spread lies without being bubbled down?! This is ridiculous!

[DragonKnight]

Reading between the lines, i.e. making bullsh*t up. The trademark of an Xbox fanboy.

KZ:SF has no player hosting. By definition that means it's NOT P2P. Feel free to ignore basic facts all you want to, but the fact that you're using language like "suckered" and "read between the lines" in the face of verbatim quotes from the developers themselves just proves that you're an Xbox fanboy desperately looking for something to make the PS4 look bad because the Xbox One has been hammered for so long.

And on top of it all, you're trying to censor me by appealing to the mods when nothing I've said goes against commenting rules, you just don't like what I have to say and you're going to attempt to "tell on me" to shut me up. Feel free to, but you'll get nowhere. The mods have better things to do than to cater to crying dupe accounts looking to steer the site in the direction of a particular brand.

[LeCreuset]

Wow Dragon. You tapped him out so bad he's crying for the mods to come bail him out.

"Mods! Mods! Why is this man being allowed to post factual evidence that destroys my false allegations? Mods!"

[skyremote]

wow, did the mods really just ban me because Im exposing the lies that are being spread about KZs servers?

You are quite angry Dragon.

Dragon, do you even know what a dedicated server is? You obviously dont. You have NO CLUE!

" However, the servers will only act as a hub between different game clients and any game logic will not be hosted on the servers"

Can you understand that statement? That came from GG.

This quote also came from them

"with only a very small portion of the game logic (i.e. mission/scoring logic) running on the ‘session master’, one PS4 in the game selected for its connection quality.

There you have it, straight from Boltjes mouth. KZ SF is really P2p.

Why is it only N4G users that think they are getting dedis? This is quite amusing. That link you posted from destructiod, go read the user comments, they all seem to understand its P2P but for some reason N4G doesnt.

Why are you scoffing at me for appealing to the mods to clean this site up? If people are posting blatant lies they should be bubbled down!

[B1663r]

Shadow fail will have a proxy system to tunnel through NATs, what it will not have is dedicated servers.

In all the articles you listed they described a match making system and proxy system. But the actual game host will still be on a PS4 somewhere, and when that player quits you will still have to do host migration.... People will still be able to use lag switches. You still have the problem of your game being hosted on a home ISP, rather than in a data center somewhere.

You have failed DragonKnight, you are an utter failure, on this topic.

[skyremote]

I know right. I dont think I've seen someone own themselves so bad like Dragon has. You could sell that guy magic beans.

He doesnt have a clue what dedis are and neither do all the people that agreed with him.

Sorry Sony fans, but will will be playing on P2p again next gen which is just sad

[DigitalRaptor]

It's pretty fucking sad that you have 3 accounts to try and misinform people and troll to your hearts content.

http://n4g.com/user/comment...
http://n4g.com/user/comment...
http://n4g.com/user/comment...

The desperation of Xbox fanboys has never been so potent.

[DragonKnight]

@The dupe accounts saying the same thing and B1663r: Let's say for the sake of argument that anyone thought you were right, you're not (no player hosting means not P2P), but let's say you were. Is Killzone the only Sony first party game coming out? Oh it's not? Oh but you know for certain that every PS4 game is going to be P2P now right? Oh you don't? So why are you trying to spread the FUD that they will be?

Oh that's right, cloud power. I forgot.

[B1663r]

DragonKnight,

READ YOUR OWN DAMN ARTICLE YOU IGNORANT TROLL.

The headline does not match the article. It says right in the article that KillZone Shadow Fail will be on 100% player hosted servers. Only matchmaking and proxy stuff exists on servers.

Sheesh some of you guys are thick.

[AndrewLB]

You couldn't be more wrong. There are no dedicated servers for Killzone Shadowfall. It's a glorified P2P system without any centralized server to properly coordinate XYZ and bullet trajectory.

From the Developer:

"Killzone Shadow Fall has dedicated servers hosted in various regions around the world. These servers do not run the logic of the game – they only act as a hub between the clients, forwarding network traffic from one player in game to all other players in game. This allows people with a slower connection or strict firewall settings to play without issues. Almost all logic relating to you (e.g. moving, shooting and taking damage) runs on your local PS4, with only a very small portion of the game logic (i.e. mission/scoring logic) running on the ‘session master’, one PS4 in the game selected for its connection quality."

[nukeitall]

@DragonKnight:

Done spreading lies?

""Killzone Shadow Fall has dedicated servers hosted in various regions around the world. These servers do not run the logic of the game – they only act as a hub between the clients, forwarding network traffic from one player in game to all other players in game. This allows people with a slower connection or strict firewall settings to play without issues.""

The "dedicated" server isn't their to process logic in game, so it's main goal is to forward traffic i.e. proxy server. KZ Shadowfall is still P2P with an extra hop to another computer just like how there are multiple hops on many computers before it reaches the next peer.

You can call it dedicated server if you want, but it ain't going to prevent the usual problems with P2P, which is cheaters, lagging and so on.

""Almost all logic relating to you (e.g. moving, shooting and taking damage) runs on your local PS4, with only a very small portion of the game logic (i.e. mission/scoring logic) running on the ‘session master’, one PS4 in the game selected for its connection quality.""

Take note of the last sentence straight from your very own source!

Session master on ONE PS4 based on CONNECTION QUALITY!!!

Wouldn't have to worry about it, if it was *real* dedicated server as per the definition of a gamer, not a computer scientist!

This is just Sony's marketing muscle at it, by hiding and misinforming their customers.

[HaMM4R]

Xbox 360 > PS3
Xbox One < PS4
(I my opinion.) Brand loyalty is for morons who are unable to think for themselves. Gamers will get whatever platform is best for games (In my opinion, PS4, in others it could be Xbone.)

[Mega24]

It comes to the games, a console cant do shit without games, idk why people always scream their opinions XBO>PS4 or PS4>XBO or N64>PS1 or XBOX>PS2, to all of those people like that, stick a sock in you mouth, games is what make it or break it.

[lifeisgamesok]

Not just speaking of brand loyalty but the Xbox Live experience and other things I like about Xbox that I won't bother mentioning because I respect opinions and not trying to start a flame war lol

[IcicleTrepan]

In my opinion, after a full generation, Xbox 360 and PS3 are pretty much equal. They're both good for different things. PS3 has a certain type of game on it and 360 has a certain type of game on it, then you have the multiplats on both.

This gen will likely work out the same, but we really won't know for several years to come.

[DialgaMarine]

Things like XBL/ PSN profiles (trophies, friends list, etc.) only affect the decisions of about 20% of people who buy these consoles. The other 80% are either flat out casuals or people just looking for the next system to play their favorite FPS/ sports titles on. What affects their decision is pretty much price, and PS4 has that one (except in Brazil, wtf...). M$'s only strong market is the US, and brand loyalty is virtually nonexistent here. People will buy what's cheaper. Only a few will actually care about losing their XBL profiles.

[xxV0rschlaghammer]

Where the hell are you getting your made up statistics from? I'd say more and more people are interested in keeping their friends list/etc now more than ever, you can't compare PS2 and people jumping ship to other consoles when the 360 came out because there was no eco-system, no community to tie people in. Now there is, and a lot of people enjoy it regardless.

And lack of brand loyalty in the US? Tell that to the millions of iPhones sold every year, and then that are later upgraded a year or 2 later.

[Ashby_JC]

Im getting X1 first...PS4 down the road. Gamertag does influence my buying the X1 somewhat.

@DialgaMarine....your entitled to your opinion. But the notion that people will buy the cheaper option...I disagree.

People will BUY what they WANT!!!! $100 cheaper will not make me buy a PS4 first. I WANT a X1 so I will buy that first.

I say just get both ..like me and many others are doing!!! Get ALL the multis and exclusives! WIN WIN

[mcstorm]

If I look at the people I know who own a 360 and pa3 only a few have said they are going to get a Xbox one or pa4 on the next 12 to 18 months as the games they like are still on the 360 and pa3 as they wanted games like gta5, cod ghosts, bf4, FIFA 14 etc.

I dint think the pre orders on both consoles and sales of both consoles in the 1st 18 months will be a high as people on here think.

Look at the psv, 3ds and wiiu none of them have hit the ground running it was only 12 months in the 3ds sales picked up. The psv is still having issues even though on here when the psv was announced it was going to walk all over the 3ds. The wiiu is now only starting to show signs of improving sales after so big name games.

I don't think anyone can really say which console will sell the most over the next 5 years as no one really knows its up to Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo to create the console and game advertisements to generate the sales.

[xxV0rschlaghammer]

Well pre-orders don't mean anything anyways to be honest, pre-orders aren't SOLD numbers, so I don't know why people get in a big huff about them, I know a lot of people who pre-ordered both consoles and waited out to see more features and games and then cancelled the ones they weren't interested in.

[IcicleTrepan]

Agree totally with you. Last top preorder chart I saw had CoD:Ghosts for 360 on top by a huge margin.

[PsylentKiller]

PS Vita is a handheld coming into the market at a bad time. Nintendo dominates the handheld market. The PS Vita needed to show why it is necessary to have it but it failed. Now, with the PS4, we can see what Sony was planning with the PS Vita. We just couldn't see it with the PS3. The 3DS offers absolutely nothing new other than 3D which any people didn't care for. There is no real separation between the 3DS and the DSi. That is why both of these units did not sell well at the jump. The Wii U just had a shitty reveal and PR team. MS should have learned from Nintendo's mistakes. People, casual gamers, the ones who made the Wii so successful didn't know the Wii U was a separate console. They thought it was a new controller for the Wii. Also, the stock in stores was horrible. They sold out, yeah, but they gave stores minimal stock and didn't replace it for weeks on end. So, if the people can't see it they won't buy it.

[Ashby_JC]

I agree 100% with your opinion.

I remember when the 360 launched. I had ZERO interest in getting it. I was happy with my xbox/PS2. There was still good games coming out for both systems.

Fast Forward.....I can honestly say Im ready for new systems...it has been a long 8 years. GTA5 just releasing is keeping me playing current gen. But there is nothing else out I want.

BUT I do want to play BF4 on next gen....64 players is very appealing to me!! So this will be my first Launch system. And I am VERY excited!!!

Just how I waited last gen you will have allot waiting to make that move. We are what is called first adopters. I wonder if the long 8 year gap will have or is having more people going next gen instead of waiting?

[rainslacker]

A lot happens over a console generation. Mistakes are made, genius moves are taken, price cuts happen, etc.

The pre-order sales are an interesting way to see how the systems are faring with the general populace of hardcore gamers, but is nowhere near good enough to say how the system will do in it's lifetime.

[SonyKong64]

I jumped and ditched my ignorant friends.

I even left a message to my friends list and modded my bio with my reasons and contact info in case they missed me and wanted to join me on either ps3/ps4 or WiiU.

It was easy and I felt good taking a stand against perverted corporate greed = )

[Themba76]

I agree with ya thats what I did I wish more of my friends thought like that.

[Chris12]

Yessss, and Sony make consoles so they can support orphanages in Romania. What a naive numpty you really are.

[PsylentKiller]

Sony is greedy as well. They just hid it better. The whole DRM debacle wasn't just in Microsoft's plans. Sony had wanted to do it too bit changed their approach after MS got beat up over it. That's why Sony had two different presentations prepared for the PS4 reveal.
One person on my friends list switched to the Sony camp. Everyone else is staying. I believe it's because they like Live and the community. I like that as well but I could fond myself getting used to PSN. It's like switching to a new school. But the thing that keeps me loyal to microsoft is the games but mainly it's the controller. I loved all there controllers except for the one made for the Jaegers of Pacific Rim. The s controller was the one that made me fall for the xbox. Then the 360 controller was just plain amazing and with the improvements on the XB1 controller, I'm sure I'm going to be head over heels for that one.

[christocolus]

@lifeisgamesok

i agree with you dude..but why does every positive xbx article cause insecurity among many ps fans?they jump to the forums and start waging war even when it has nothing to do with the ps4...if this was a positive ps4 article it would be all praise and glory also if this was a negative xbx article it would be a true story..why the insecurity?....i listened to the latest joystick episode today and its so sad how sony fans behave..a ps fanboy ended his friendship with another guy after many failed attempts to stop his friend from preordering an xbox one..its so petty, pathetic and miserable..especially given the fact that nothing fanboys say or do will stop the millions of gamers from getting an xbx one ..nothing you guys say will stop it from selling out and becoming a huge sucess...fanboys need to grow up and deal with their insecurities...fanboys on n4g ,neogaf and the likes make up just a tiny fraction of gamers worldwide(casual and hardcore )..and most casual gamers dont even care aboutfanboy wars.they dont even know it exists....anyways ill say it again..congrats to ms for turning things around this quickly.

[Neoninja]

Are you serious? Someone actually ended a friendship because their friend decided to get an X1? I will never understand fanboys.

[christocolus]

@neoninja

yeah...dude just download the latest joystick podcast..funny thing is that it hapened to one of the presenters.

[ShwankyShpanky]

"N4G, Neogaf only make up a small number of customers"

Right right... "The internet is a fanboy."

[90Supra]

Its not that unrealistic for so many people to jump ship...

Every person I know that went from PS2 to the 360 made the jump because of the fact that the 360 was launched first and only stayed with Xbox because of the PS3s price...

Those advantages are gone this time around...

[DragonKnight]

Oh please. As if anyone with half a brain wouldn't know that if Microsoft had as many, or more, pre-order numbers as Sony they would be shouting it from the rooftops 3 times a day every single day for a month. Now all of a sudden Microsoft, who needs all the good PR they can get, decided to become bashful and use an anonymous developer saying "yeah, we have the same numbers but I can't give you an exact figure because the accounting department would have my head if I did."

This is pathetic.

[mistertwoturbo]

lol my thoughts exactly

[cabbitwithscissors]

"As per this reply, the dev stated, “When I saw reports of Sony having a million or 1.5 million pre-orders for the PS4, I didn’t even think twice about it. We’re not disclosing pre-order numbers at the moment for accounting reasons but I know for a fact we have just as many. Don’t be bogged by published statistics. At the end of all this, what matters is the games you want to play."

Well, I'm guessing this is total bull. If stats are not important then let's see if your game sells only 100K, and not millions like GTA5, will you still be saying what matters is the games you want to play ?
Anonymous Dev, please shut the F*** up.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

"I'm an anonymous dev for MS and we have as much pre orders as the PS4, I would love to tell you the numbers but the accounting team would have my neck for doing so, even though I'm posting as an anonymous source and there chances of tracing my comment back to me would be slim to none. So yea we have as much as Sony."

[kenshiro100]

I know, it's hilarious.

[LiQuiZoN]

I believe ps4 will outsell xbox substantially this gen

[pete007]

in your dreams, at my place first xbox one, at my sister´s first xbox one, everyone i know thats buying a console will go xbox one.Why? because they´re all parents, they all have kids, and even those ps inclined will buy xbox because of kinect and party games/family games. i dont know what you, console so called hardcores, that to me means jack, cause a real hardcore gamer spends thowsands on hi end pc parts and not on a console, think about gaming evolution, but i see microsoft is either going after nintendo casual gamers/and all other types of gamers, and sony first going after the core audience, believing their army of fans will influence others........WRONG!!!! the inverse is more to happen!!!
ex: my sisters husbend is a cronic ps fan from the days of first psx, today he as an xbox one preordered because of their children and kinect, maybe later hes getting both......till then xbox games may change that

[SonyKong64]

how bad of a parent must you be to allow Microsoft to install a HD camera in your home to watch your children all day while you work/slave?

especially after prism.. that's disgusting..

shame on you..

[lifeisgamesok]

I agree Xbox One has almost every hardcore and casual gamer covered

3rd person shooter, 1st person shooter, hardcore fighting game, casual fighting game, platformer, fitness game, hack and slasher, racing, all at launch

[DigitalRaptor]

@ lifeisgamesok

Like heck they do. Where are their adventure games, strategy games, puzzle games, shmup games, RPG games, free-to-play games, horror games, classic arcade games, driving sim games, MMOs, Japan-sensitive games and indie games which cover a much grander scope that your list of genres did?

They have far from every hardcore and casual gamer covered.

[pete007]

@raptor
you dont have to agree, its just my vision of things, by the way you put things, a launch line up must be in the thousands count. each console will have at launch barelly 10 games , at least the most known ones. i wrote about all generation period not at launch window,
bye

[LiQuiZoN]

Microsoft as a whole and throughout its history as a company has always Offered Less and Charged More. They then overcompensate with a heavy marketing blitz.

I don't see this strategy playing out the same again. I can also add...Many people I know bought an xb360 because it was the first out and there was no other choice, this time they have no interest in buying an XBO.

Also, look at the global economy. People have less to spend and XBO is priced higher while offering weaker hardware. Yes they have a few exclusives (Up front) however we all know that this is their strategy. They taper off on exclusives as time goes on.

Don't you find it odd that all of Microsoft's exclusives (Minus Forza) are done by 3rd parties? Even their holy grail (Bungie) left them. I wonder why? Why are Indies so in love with Sony? These are the kind of questions you need to ask yourself so you can vote with your dollars into the right camp, which will lead to expansion of the market and innovative new titles. Not a company simply trying to absorb any profit they can and do as little as possible.

If a company really wanted to INNOVATE in a market space they would directly INVEST into that market, which they don't. Meanwhile SONY has build a LARGE (larger then Nintendo and M$ combined) first party gang of studios to develop titles. Sony has long-term vision while Microsoft is simply trying to eat they rewards short-term and hold market with advertising long term.

Am I the only one who see things like this? I'm interested in your opinions.

Thanks.

[ShwankyShpanky]

33yr-old parent of two here. No Xbone will ever enter my household.

[Father Murder X]

MS is going after the casual market. I said it once and I say it again that is where the money is. Both companies are after the money. You guys act like Sony's is in the business because they love gamers.

I don't see what the Ps4 can offer on a family level. I am still plan on buying a Ps4 but the casual market is where growth lies. Don't underestimate the power of family entertainment. If the Wii would have been a more powerful system things would have been alot different in the industry today.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

@pete007
do you even lube your butthole before letting ms f*ck you up the ass? my god, you almost put major nelson to shame...

[superbhoy]

i dont think so....

[fsfsxii]

And here is why gamers are being mocked of most of the time.
Have fun being monitered.

[RexFury]

Time will tell I guess.

[stage88]

Yeah I don't believe this for a second.

[True_Samurai]

because you're pro Sony or just because youre fanboy?

[DigitalRaptor]

Because if it was true, Microsoft's pre-orders on large sites like Amazon would have been close to #1, and they weren't ever.

Because if it was true, retailers would actually be confirming they have as much stock allocation for XB1 as they do for PS4.

Because if it was true, Microsoft would be screaming it from the rooftops in multiple reports. Aaron Greenberg's tweet flow would crash Twitter's servers.

[True_Samurai]

^^^ you didn't take into other considerations such as Walmart, Target, Microsoft stores and Website, Toys'R Us, GameStop, etc. All orders don't have to come from Amazon. you don't rely on one site to sell all your consoles even if it's a huge retailer. spread out the merchandize

[stage88]

I don't believe it because:

1. It's just some random dev saying it.
2. If it was true MS would be shouting on the rooftops about it.
3. PS4 is launching in 32 countries. Xbone is only launching in 13.

Now why did you reply to my comment?

Because you're pro Microsoft or just a fanboy?

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

amazon.com is the WORLD'S largest online shopping website. you can get a general idea of how well something is going to do by amazon alone. you know why? 'cause people would rather sit on their asses and have things delivered to their door, and not have to line up for hours to get something. QFT.

[MightyNoX]

D'aawww, it's cute when MS goes into reassurance mode.

[bakasora]

lol

[IamTheStorm81]

In the interest of clarifying "where I stand" I'm buying both consoles on launch day.

Now that's that is out of the way, I don't buy that for one second.

As we saw with the PS3/360 era, Microsoft will use any and all situations to brag about sales. They're big on them --particularly U.S. sales. They've shown us that. If their pre-order numbers were as big as Sony's we have substantial evidence, based on history and fact, to support the B.S. claim here.

Claiming they won't disclose because of "accounting reasons" looks and sounds like a total lie to me. Microsoft has never been shy about handing out numbers when the numbers work in their favor.

I'm excited about Xbox One. I'll be there day one to buy it, but I don't buy this for one second. They've shown too much to the contrary for me to buy a conveniently timed bit of shyness on sales figures on the part of Microsoft because of "accounting reasons".

[from the beach]

Good news. Few people in here sounding spooked!

[Benjammin25]

Not really spooked. We're just calling bullshit. There's so little evidence that points to Xbox One having similar pre-order numbers as PS4, while there's a huge amount of evidence showing that PS4 is going to sell crazy numbers this holiday season.

[MCTJim]

I wont even click gamingbolt links anymore....so tell me is this a click bait article stating hearsay and quoting anonymous sources? If its true, hey good for the X1.

[DragonKnight]

It's an anonymous Microsoft developer who won't give exact numbers due to "accounting reasons." So yeah, complete B.S.

[MCTJim]

As I thought....gamingbolt...the gamers guide to anonymous sources.

[Mikelarry]

if microsoft had the same preorder numbers as sony, trust me they will make a big fuss about it. reason being they would come out and say consumers see the value proposition of kinect added on and a higher price.

[rainslacker]

MS needs to stop trying to compare the X1 to the PS4 directly. They need to stop presenting things in terms of how it relates to Sony. Penello is bad about this.

MS is really being messy with their marketing and PR this time around, and since the 180's everything they've done is coming across as damage control instead of touting new features that should be presented with a new console. The only real line they continue to tout since the reveal is the power of the cloud as a unique selling point, and many people are extremely skeptical of it.

[DialgaMarine]

I still have to reiterate here that M$ has said on numerous occassions that they've had the number 1 selling console for the 7th gen. They know their fans care more about "teh salez" and "teh profitz" than anything, so at this point I'm sure they'll say just about anything to keep them happy. Ignorance is bliss after all.

Also, not to mention this is an anonymous dev. Something tells me he doesn't exactly have access to M$'s actual numbers, unless he were an M$ first party, in which case, he wouldn't be anonymous now, would he? Since M$ has yet to say anything, this statement is pretty much bullshit. Just some random idiot trying to appease the fanboys because M$ can't do it themselves, because they know the truth.

I'm just gonna throw one last point out there. There are still stories of the PS4 selling out a retailers around the world all the time. People in some won't even have the chance to buy them until early 2014 because of the huge backlog of people. We've only heard stories like this for the XBone from a select few retailers here in the US and the UK. Even then, it's still possible to find one, if you look. PS4 is gone.

[B-radical]

Why are you saying teh for?

[DialgaMarine]

For ironic effect, I guess..

[MontyQ]

xbone took my cherry

[B-radical]

Can a Sony fan please tell me why sony fans are hating on this article isn't it a good thing??

Mature answer would be nice

[DragonKnight]

Based on Microsoft's history of boasting, this anonymous source that won't be exact on the numbers for "accounting reasons" is being called out for lying because Microsoft would never be shy about announcing, publicly, that their pre-order numbers match or exceed those of the PS4. Therefore, this article is at the very best speculation, but in reality complete bullsh*t.

**EDIT** Confirmed X1 developer based on what the site says. And even if true, it still doesn't add up. Microsoft are not shy about being in an equal or better position than anyone else. They never have been and this "anonymous dev" expects us to believe they are now all of a sudden? Sorry but no.

[B-radical]

Anonymous yes...confirmed x1 developer also yes but thank you for not being rude

[WeAreLegion]

They're hating because they don't want Microsoft to beat Sony. However, I imagine some of them, like myself, don't want Microsoft rewarded for what they would have done to the industry, had Sony and Nintendo not been there to stand their ground.

[Angels3785]

The old schoolers were firm on the new kid. Sony and nintendo to microsoft "you SURE you want to do that?....alright well......good luck..."

[LeCreuset]

You can take this how you want, oh arbiter of maturity that you are, but the simple answer is that Playstation fans have a lower tolerance for b.s..

Xbox fans with a low tolerance for B.S. jumped ship, and are now Playstation fans. What you have left in the Xbox camp are people with a high tolerance for b.s..

[christocolus]

awesome news.....im happy with all the positive xbx news of late..right from e3 the odds were against ms and the xbx one..it was like everyone wanted it to fail and it was really sad but see how things have changed and all turned around in a few months even with the 599price tag its good to see the xbx one beating the odds..theyve dropped some unecesary policies along the way and focused on the consoles strengths i.e the games, its services and what the future holds ..thumbs up to the entire xbx team....great job guys....great job.

[Hicken]

That... was sickening to read.

The odds have been against MS since their shitty reveal, if I'm being honest. Hell, the odds were against them prior to that, when they stopped releasing anything but Halo and Forza(excluding abhorrent Kinect titles because I want to retain my sanity). It sped up with the rumors about the DRM, went full strength at the game-less XB1 reveal, and has remained in the negative ever since.

Have they gained some traction? Sure. But it's far from enough to have reversed everything they've lost. And to make matters worse, there's been continuing bad news, like the scaled back launch and delay of Kinect voice controls, among others.

And then there's this, which is pretty much confirmed to be untrue by sheer evidence to the contrary: no matter what source you use, no matter the region, PS4 pre-order numbers have pretty well dwarfed those of the XB1.

The start of the eighth generation for Microsoft has been a train wreck after which the first responders have lost their lives(Mattrick) or done even more damage(Penello) in the process of rescuing the victims(XB1).

I certainly hope they continue to improve upon their current offering, but if too many people like you are truly saying "Job well done" when they've so thoroughly BOTCHED said job, I don't know how much more improvement Microsoft will be encouraged to make.

[rainslacker]

Here's a question for you.

"it was like everyone wanted it to fail"

Why do you think that is? I have a feeling you'll say fan boys, but I have to ask you, were MS struggles early on because of fan boys? If you believe so then why did none of the MS fans(not fan boys) support the system causing MS to do numerous 180's.

I was here after the reveal. There was a hugely apparent lack of MS defenders on these forums for well over a month. It's not something I would have expected, and thought there would be a huge influx of MS fan boys trying to defend what MS did...but there was only a few...quite literally.

That perception you have of "everyone wanted it to fail" has to be for a reason. People's perceptions of the machine, and thusly wanting it to fail had to originate somewhere, and I highly doubt even a massive influx of Sony fan boy hate could sway that perception to such a degree among the masses.

[hollabox]

I'm surprised this story got approved. It seem about a quarter of positive XB1 news gets disapproved while duplicate stories get approved on Sony platform.

[Sh0ckWav3]

xbox one :day 365

[strigoi814]

lolz if MS reached 1million Sony hits 3M by this time

[ion53]

What I don't get is why a Dev knows this... Shouldn't devs be making the games, and marketing people and such be tellin' us this info...

[Brix90]

Major Nelson told him...lol

[Mikeyy]

I'd say the xbox one preorders match that of people that signed up for Obama care. About 500k.

The white house also has been hiding the numbers due to "accounting reasons".

[joeymp]

hahaha this is a 100% lie. just look at the preorder numbers for games in the US, the one territory where MS should be winning and they are still losing.
http://www.vgchartz.com/pre...
Xbox One: 844,000 games preordered
Call of Duty Ghosts
Battlefield 4
Assassins 4
Forza 5
Dead Rising 3
Ryse
Madden 25
Playstation 4: 1,100,000 games preordered
Call of Duty Ghosts
Battlefield 4
Killzone Shadow Fall
Assassins 4
Madden 25
Knack
Now factor in Europe and Japan where Playstation dominates, ya no way Xbox has just as many preorders.

[kenmid]

Microsoft and Sony both said in the past that they don't go off VG Charts, they said they have no backup data or research and they just make up numbers.

[HiddenMission]

Link to please because I'm never scene Jack or Don say anything about VGChartz. Good try though...

[Gamer666]

The biggest issue both console vendors have is supply (Heck, even the Wii U sold out for a few weeks last year). There is no doubt there is high demand for both consoles since they are both sold out for pre-order.

The winner and loser of total sales this holiday will be based on how many consoles they can get onto retail shelves. That is a manufacturing and distribution issue, not a consumer preference issue.

[srd4484]

You can't compare game preorders. MANY are buying Digital. That is not shown here. So stop pushing this out as a Fact when's it's for physical preorders only.

[solidworm]

When two consoles are closely matched there is only one major deciding factor and that my friends is price. Price is king and that more than anything will put the ps4 ahead. It wont be until feb/march 2014 till we know the true extent but it will be marked.

[LogicStomper]

To be honest, I don't think so.

If the two were closely matched, yes the price would play a factor BUT it isn't the major factor. When you buy a fridge or a washing machine, you're going to use it for a solid 8 years or so. So if you were comparing to similar fridges/washing machines, you'd see which one will be more beneficial in the long run.

So relating this to consoles,it's actually not the price which determines which you'd get. You don't want to buy the cheaper console if you're not going to enjoy it, because you're stuck with it for 10 years. So if the Xbox One suits your tastes, you wouldn't mind spending another $100. Think of it more like an investment. If it's the PS4 you, then by all means buy it because it's cheaper and most importantly, it's what you'll enjoy for the next 10 years.

Have you had one of those moments where you've bought the cheaper alternative, only to use it and think "damn, should have spent that extra $__"? Well yeah, it's similar to that, except that in this case, it's more preference rather than power. ( Yes to all those thinking I'm a Xbox fanboy, I'm saying the PS4 is more powerful).

So to sum it all up, it's not actually the price, but more 'which you'd enjoy more in the long run'.

[Hicken]

But these aren't necessary appliances. They're video game consoles. And, as such, they're frequently looked at by the general populace as toys.

The average parent or grandparent isn't going to care much about the difference in features. They're going to look at the price. Outside of that, they may look for a specific game to be sure it's on a given console.

That's it.

As for gamers, if they're not fanboys, then they'll take quite bit into consideration, like the price, the power, the company behind the product(how well do they support their consoles, do they screw their customers over, etc), and consider what their friends might also get. An objective gamer with money might get both. An objective gamer with only so much to spend would probably get a PS4.

If they're basing their choice on "which you'd enjoy more in the long run," the length of time Sony supports their consoles would be a point in their favor. So, too, would their wide number of exclusives and willingness to take risks on new IPs.

Of course, liking a specific franchise can impact this, as you obviously wouldn't be getting Halo on the PS4. But if you have no preference for any particular IP, then you'd find yourself with a PS4.

It's kinda hard to argue against that, at this point.

[Gamer666]

It depends who you are and why your buying a console...

Some people will buy a console for the entertainment features, others for only games, others price, and still others will buy it as a family device because they can't justify a $400-500 purchase for one member of the family only.

[CRAIG667]

Ladies... Gentlemen... who gives a f%*k which multimillion dollar corporation sells the most launch consoles!!!
I want to play cool games, not argue about who's shareholders are getting the largest dividend...

***cool games available on both platforms.

[pyramidshead]

Not disclosing numbers, says they have just as many, xbox one dev...

hmm.. lol

[hello12]

The consoles will launch before Christmas. The people on the fence about what console they'll want for Christmas will be more informed leading up to the 25th, as both consoles will have been out for a month.

Microsoft announcing dedicated servers for all XB1 multiplayer games is a big reason to go for XB1 this gen. Player hosting is horrible most of the time. I kind of annoyed Dice and EA refused X Box cloud compute dedicated servers day one. It seems they've decided to continue milking gamers by charging them for using private servers. Call of Duty will have be using XB1 dedicated severs day one so there is no valid reason anymore for Dice to not do so too! Its solely a money issue Dice said no.

I digress, Microsoft PR has improved last couple of months, so pre-orders are bound to rise and get better.

[Tooly]

How can they say that when they dont no how many sony has .sony never released a f**** Statement on the exact amount they have lol

[uncharted56]

ITS OVER ONE MILLION!

[arbitor365]

lets say for a second that this is true. the PS4 has been sold out for nearly 2 months at every outlet. and every time amazon re opened pre orders, they sold out within a day or two.

so there is still a much larger demand for the PS4

[PFFT]

A lot of people where the XBO wont be launching this year will be importing from one place or the other. Lets wait till both consoles launch to see real numbers rather than speculated numbers.

[KYU2130]

Now i cant and won't dispute if MS has just as many preorders for the XB1 as Sony has for the PS4, because regardless of region its possible that that MS does. My issue is if that is so why when i walked into my local FRYs Electronics did the guy in the gaming department tell me i can still order an XB1 and get it on launch day(guaranteed ).

now from a sales stand point both MS and Sony must have enough consoles so that retailers can put a few on the shelf for release day. It would make no sense to have all incoming consoles to be for preorders only. This would segregate an rather sizable market that doesnt want to or cant do preorders.

[Viking_Socrates]

I predict that both Microsoft and Sony will sell at least one console, more data will become available in the future.

But no they'll probably both do really well.

[Belking]

Xbox-one FTW! Xbox-one has a great lineup with no delayed titles. I only pre orders I care about are the two xb1s I have coming.

[Themba76]

I thought you would be gone by now why are you still here?

[majiebeast]

Hey atleast he wasted his 1 bubble for that.

[Kayant]

If this was true MS will be shouting about it like they were just recently with more the announcement of more than 50% More Gamers gaming online on X360 than the PS3. Also they are launch in about 10+ less countries at a higher price.

Also let's not even ask why an XB1 dev would have such kind of data.....

[hello12]

You forget though Sony left out the PS camera to reduce the price. Microsoft included Kinect which by all accounts is superior to the Sony camera.

I got Fifa 14 next gen (From Europe)XB1 day one edition and kinect for 500. Fifa 14 costs 65 Euros sold separately. So 500 for XB1 was a steal.

[Kayant]

It was not to reduce the price it was to reduce the amount they were going to lose by including it. $399 was the magical price for them.

"Sony's Masayasu Ito says US$399 was deemed "the magic price" for the PlayStation 4 – bringing it in US$200 cheaper than the PlayStation 3. Efforts were made to include the camera at the US$399 mark, but pressure from above forbade Sony Computer Entertainment from making too much of a loss on the PlayStation 4 hardware."

http://www.businessspectato...

Also PS Eye is not as heavily integrated into the PS4's OS as kinect is with XB1. MS is using kinect heavily to deliver their experience that want you to have on XB1 rather than it being a gaming peripheral addon like the PS eye is.

[Asv6SEMPER]

"Xbox One Dev"

I just stopped reading here, 0 credibility.

[Asv6SEMPER]

How can, in the name of this fu***** world, the preorders of the XBO being higher than PS4 in 13 country and by the same time Sony trying to play with preorder number ?

Don't you smell the Microsoft faggot & Lies behind it ? Does it not seem totally irrationnal ? Come on Microsoft, admit: not only you were the one playing with preorder numbers but you're now accusing Sony to do what you're doing.

Microsoft should be hanged, one day people will start killing Microsoft faggots for real.

[hello12]

Because users of the X box 360 will likely stick with Microsoft. Microsoft had a rocky start, but their coming back strong again.

Those 13 countries is were most of the X box 360 users and consoles are based and been used. I still think PS4 will sell more worldwide but not by much on Launch day.

[Asv6SEMPER]

KNWS you are simply fucked up: Europe is dominated by Sony (even in the north), Asia is also dominated by Sony and America is moslty Half Sony half Microsoft.

You aren't going to believe that in these 13 Microsoft will do better than Sony in 33 Countries (even more ) ?

After all the things what happenned with the XBO ?

And guess what: those 13 concerns 7 european states (Austria, Irelandn, Spain, France, Germany, Italy and UK), only in the UK the Xbox one has a small chance to sell well.

And btw, your comments about the xbox 360 community will stick to Microsoft are a prove of your arrogance and absolute fanboyism towards Microsoft: you should not judge about the opinions and belives of anyone, specially if you don't know what's going to happen (it might get against you)

[strickers]

Lies. No sales chart anywhere even hints at this anyone who follows MS will know they would have shouted from the roof tops.

If you believe this, you are either naive, foolish or a fanboy

[Angels3785]

Not only that but then they would immediately contradict themselves and say they are very "humble" while shouting it from the rooftops

[True_Samurai]

I see all of you making a big fuss about this, so I suspect many of you to have stocks Or shares in either company?

[Majin-vegeta]

You would think if this was true M$ would be shouting it off the top of Mt Everest just too get some good publicity and not bad publicity.

Btw don't most companies actually announce something when they hit a certain mile stone piece?

[LeCreuset]

Majin-vegeta:

These numbers are true. It's just that MS can't announce them because their bound to secrecy by a nondisclosure agreement with AMD. Expect them to reveal the truth a day before the console releases. It will be a last minute bombshell that swings things in Microsoft's favor.

This is obviously sarcasm.

[Majin-vegeta]

You sir have earned a bubble xD.

[LeCreuset]

I don't believe the crap that Microsoft OFFICIALLY spews. Why on Earth would I believe the unsubstantiated claims of an anonymous supposed dev speaking UNOFFICIALLY on behalf of MS?

[gdguide]

I'm sorry, but this is so unlikely. I could see this happening if they were launching with Gears 4 or Halo 5, but Ryse and Forza 5 aren't going to make up for the $100 more price tag and all of the PR disasters Microsoft have made. Every preorder chart, poll, polls from attendees at game conferences, comments from both companies all point to the PS4 selling more period.

[sigfredod]

LOL XD

[MegaRay]

Lol yea right. PS is more popular thus it will sell more easy as that. (Im not gonna buy one till kh or ffxv released or sony announce a platformer other than knack)

[Stuart81]

In the UK its pretty much neck and neck pre order wise. even though PS4 doesn't come out here til the 29th which puts it on UK shelves one week after X1

[fractured74]

WOW Why do you people even react to a,hang on ,another trolling article from n4g.The worst thing is there are way better articles on this site that only get five comments,this site gets worse as time goes on ,i hope the actual release of both consoles will keep you lot to busy from buying in to this crap.

[DynDasE]

When you think that M$ will not do an even worse PR....

[jjb1981]

I'll be getting both, so why are people arguing again?

[akaFullMetal]

I know my best buy, preorders are 2 to 1 in playstations favor. Something like 93 ps4 and 43 xbox one preorders.

[neocores]

I dont understand. First they lie bout the system now they want to lie about numbers..... Mirco180 go home come out in 2014 maybe u got a chance then

[CuddlyREDRUM]

The more Xbox One compares itself to PS4 the worse it looks, they should stop doing this.

[Goku781]

Don't really care anymore, enough with the talk. Showtime in 26 days for Sony, 33 for Microsoft. All I care at this point that both show an prove with their A Game. Sony better be in PS FFVII, Metal Gear mode, and MS in Halo 1-2, Gears of War 1-2 mode. Nothing but the best from both, no excuses, on same level hardware or not, the games better be the shit and nothing less!

[Golden_Mud]

I want to understand , when will they begin counting us ? here in Saudi Arabia alone , it's the first time in history people want the Xbox brand more than the PlayStation brand

[SegaGamer]

Jeez, it's like children. "Oh we can do just as much as such and such"

Pathetic.

[zhuk is god]

http://a.disquscdn.com/uplo...

[evilhasitsway]

ant no way both have the same amount of preorders someone has the lead on the other.

[HiddenMission]

This is MS reputation management that's all. If MS really had those numbers Aaron Greensburg would be all over twitter talking those numbers up.

[awesomeisjayell]

i'm a X1 fan and i know that the PS4 will have the edge this holiday mainly due to followers and miscommunication but the tides will turn very quickly once the consoles are out when people find out that the PS4 is just a PS3 with a new casing.

[ceed911]

Although I feel you put that rudely, you aren't wrong.

For the most part you are buying a PS3 with improved hardware. They aren't really doing anything new for their system that is really enticing for consumers that aren't already Playstation fans.

Regardless if you love or hate the new features the XB1 is offering, it is clear that they are offering a new experience rather than just updated hardware.

[strickers]

Hardware gimmicks aren't what make a GAMES console. Games are what counts. Sony devs( plus all the other devs backing it) are going to push innovation in games. I have TiVo. I don't need a new interface or to run my console an extra 5 hours a day, everyday. Weak argument

[ceed911]

@strickers you say that as if innovating/making great games is a console exclusive?

Both systems are going to push out great games and about 80% of all games released are going to be on both systems. If anything is a weak argument it is trying to make it sound like the XB1 isnt offering that.

Regardless of your expected criticism of the XB1 cloud, Microsoft is making it really clear they aren't just offering innovation to the games, but also to the system itself to offer really great experiences, and to improve play in-general.

[josephayal]

MS should give us Forza 5 for free with our console purchase Xbox One would sell like hot cakes

[Reem]

This is laughable, PS4 will maul Xbone

[Many-hat5]

I don't beleive this to be true, and I'll give you an example why. I live in UK,and this gen my four closest buddies and myself all have an 360(I also have PS3).However, all of us will be PS4 only this time around.Casting the net wider, most of my work colleagues who have expressed a preference have pre-ordered, or are going to buy later,PS4. Now, I know this is only anecdotal, and doesn't in any way constitute a scientific sample, but there deffinately appears to be a shift away from MS. For me, and many others it appears, the DRM fiasco was just too much. I know they have reversed all the DRM stuff now,but the intent was clear and the trust relationship broken -there's no going back. Conversely, I haven't heard anyone I know mention they are moving away from Sony to MS.Sure, MS will shift bucket loads of consoles, but I really don't see them shifting anywhere near the quantities that Sony will just because of this change in attitude towards MS' policies.I'm not a fanboy, and really don't care who sells the most consoles, and I'm not trying to say saying Sony is good, only that MS is pretty shitty -therefore, I have chosen what I see as the lesser of two evils. I pre-ordered my PS4 on 01/06 and recently was lucky enough to be offered the upgrade to the full bundle for £429.00 (killzone, two controllers and camera)Whatever console you choose will be good,but I think to claim MS will sell as many at launch will prove to be false.

[Bo-Diddly]

Have to say it's the complete opposite for me. I'm also in the UK and I own both at the moment but will be buying an Xbox One at launch. Practically everyone I know is getting one and of the few people in work who are gamers it's about 50-50. The main reason is that they've loved the 360, Xbox Live and the controller and didn't like PSN as they found it slow, hated applying updates as it took an age and didn't get along with the controller. It's also worth pointing out that most of them weren't even aware of the DRM debacle.

I've based my decision on the games I want and nothing else, to let your 'allegiance' to MS or Sony doesn't work for me, they're both after your money, both have a track record of misdirection and both have reaped in the cash at our expense through various proprietary bits of hardware (HDDs or memory cards spring to mind). I'm in total agreement with you in that I couldn't care who sells more, why should I? I may be getting an Xbox One at launch but that doesn't mean I won't get rid of it down the line if I find it's not for me.

One thing I would note is that I have PS+ at the minute and enjoy the great games I've been getting for both my PS3 and my Vita I hope I can click download online like I can at the moment for the PS4 offerings and then when I eventually pick up a PS4 next year I'll have a nice little games library.

[QuickdrawMcgraw]

Why argue and insult each other.Let's wait till after the launches then we will know.

[souldestroyer14]

Why does anyone give a shit?

[The-real-Kratos]

The six different bundles for ps4 are all out of stock on amazon, while the xb1 stndrd edition is still available out of just its two bundles... doesn't that say anything?

[thexmanone]

Yea, It tells me we don`t no how many consoles are available to the retailers for preorders.

[Krosis]

People that think the Xbox One will fail simply don't know much about business...

On the bright side, the launch line-up for this generation of consoles is much better than last. Thankfully Oblivion launched not long after last gen.

[AceBlazer13]

the true meaning in this statement is that the xbone finally reached a million pre orders. how many months has it been since the ps4 got a million pre orders ?

[isa_scout]

I am quite curious to know how a developer(not MS)knows exactly how many Xbox One pre orders there are...Then he covers it up by saying that it's not about how many consoles are sold, but what games the player is going to come back to over and over again...Sounds like he's saying, "We don't have as many consoles sold, but our games are better."
For me the launch game I'm going to be playing over and over again is the MP for Killzone:Shadowfall. I'll pick up the Xbox One when Halo comes out.

[TristanPR77]

I don't believe x1 have as many pre orders as PS4. PS4 have a clearly big edge over X1. The manager of the gamestop where I reserved my console told me reservations for PS4 are way bigger than x1. If you followed amazon it's clear that the PS4 is ahead.

[LoneWolf019]

Cool story, numbers mean nothing to me. Ill be enjoying my Ps4

[Evo21]

Xbox has no chance in some countries in Europe , the preorder of PS4 crushes everything here.

I can buy a Xbox One in France the day of release without preorder ...

[2pacalypsenow]

Yeah cuz MS has never lied to make themselves look better

[MajorMayhem70]

Don't get caught up in the games presale numbers for the Xbox One. There will be many that will buy into the digital only concept as I have. To be able to sit down and say "Xbox play (insert game title) and have it effortlessly start up without a disc is one of the reasons why I want an Xbox. Digital downloading will be heavily used by Xbox Owners. It would be silly to dispell Xbox One preorders by game preorders

[strickers]

You know PS3 has be doing digital more heavily than 360? Day and date too.
You'll buy a console to talk to? Oh dear.

[MajorMayhem70]

Talking to the X1 and it complying to what I'm saying is what it can do... And did I mention it still plays games?!? Don't worry, I'm buying a ps4 too, but it doesn't listen to my commands so I'll buy physical copies for that console. Xbox One will be 100% digital though. I'll fill up my 500gigs then store the rest in the cloud. Hope you enjoy just your Playstation.

[XisThatKid]

At this point MS don't worry about what Sony is doin in terms of that stuff just get your sh!t together.

[BobBelcher]

Pre-Orders don't really count for the majority of a product's sales. Hell, most people that will get a console aren't even 'gamers.'

[corvusmd]

I actually hope that PS4 sells a lot more at launch....no doubt XB1 will catch up and perhaps take over, but judging by the amount of ignorant trolling that goes on at sites like this...I kinda hope that crowd latches onto PS4 and PSN for as long ass possible before realizing what they did...that way the XBL experience will be that much better!!! :) It's gonna be awesome!!! Just over a month away and I've never been this excited for a system launch....but first time I'm not getting both at launch.

[strickers]

Some of the guys on this site are great. The ones that moan the most about trolls , are the most ignorant of the lot.
So let me get this straight. You want more people to go on PSN because of all the wankers on Live? Cart before horse.

[corvusmd]

Nope because of all the morons on sites like this.

[MCTJim]

I for one am tired of the rhetoric on both sides. Please bring me actual videos of games running and not some captured cell phone video or crappy gifs. Only a few of these really exist and you would think both Sony and MS would indeed be showing us more.

[slampunk]

People people..... When will N4G learn not to click on any article from Flamebolt ...... !!!!

[AceofStaves]

I'm certain if pre-order numbers were that strong, MS would have released an official statement to that effect, since that sort of press release would be great for the company. So I'll take this 'dev's' statements with a grain of salt.

That being said, anyone who believes the XB1 won't have strong launch sales is deluding themselves. The question remains as to whether the PS4 or XB1 will emerge as the dominant console this gen, but both are guaranteed to have strong launches.

I'm curious to see how the initial sales will play out, but whatever the final numbers are, they'll have no impact on my purchase decision. PS4 offers me much more of what I want for my money, just as the PS3 did back when it launched. In the end, the console(s) you buy should reflect your preferences as a gamer, not blind brand loyalty.

Next month is going to be good times for all of us, regardless of which consoles we buy.

[pop-voxuli]

Hey, it's your story M$ tell it how ever you want!!

[busytoad]

LMFAO @ X-bone Dev. Sad to see them dishing out lies every week in a attempt to make kids think wow x bone is good i better get one lol. Ps4 is kicking their A$$ plain and simple.

[Ch1d0r1]

Who cares about this... Just enjoy what you get. Articles like this always bring negativity by opposing console players. Ill be having fun enjoying my PS4 when ever i get it. For the people on the other party enjoy your Xbones!

Ill probably get an xbone myself when it drops to $300 no less. I firmly believe Sony will drive them to a super low price, and when ever that happens in 4-6 years ohh well...

[spoonard]

Do we believe the retailers who are telling us the pre-order numbers, or do we believe the bullshitters who are playing catch-up? lol

[strigoi814]

oh snap..Microsoft even preorder their own console just to hype it up lolz!

[S2Killinit]

just as many? you don't say

[MultiConsoleGamer]

In the US they have more, a lot more.

But the rest of the world is a different story.

[cyclindk]

Apart from price point and features, it is the timeframe people should consider this time around and marketshare after this last generation.

Micro made significant ground due to the early launch last gen, have a larger install base/fanbase now.

Each console launching around same time now, with similar fanbases (statistically speaking) with Micro at a higher price point.

We will see how it all pans out with this in mind.

[KILLERAPP]

Nothing is impossible but if this were true, knowing how MS is they would be screaming it and saying it over and over. That is how MS has always been, they always throw a party every month they outsell the PS3 in the US. if this where true they would be saying it over and over in all the interviews they need all the good press they can have but they been quiet about actual number and there is a reason why. Is probably the same reason why they gave a free game in Europe and did the 180 reversals, the numbers are not good. But it is possible that in the US there neck and neck with the PS4, the buzz and the Amazon and GameStop number have always been in the PS4 favor even in the US. But nothing is impossible, the Nov and Dic number are going to be fun...

[sAVAge_bEaST]

-repeating- over, and over, -and over.,
hey, at least it plays better with Call of Duty, Doritos, and Mt. Dew.

(rinse, wash -repeat-)

[ACEMANWISE]

According to Vgchartz, the PS3 is in 2nd place by about 2 million consoles.

Given the fact that video games today are largely tied to online accounts I'd say consumers will weigh heavily on their investments before deciding to change brands.

This appears to be the strategy of all digital based gaming consoles. Hook consumers into their product and hope they don't jump ship.

The PS4 and Xbox One will be a close preorder situation but I think the trend points to the PS4 winning out within 2 years. I'm not talking questionable numbers either. I'm talking at least 5 million clear cut.

[no_more_trolling]

yeah
youre a credible source of information

-___-

[SoulSercher620]

We all know that's a bunch of bull. The PS4 leads in every county including the US.

[The Captain]

Everyone is bringing up TV integration, but I am an old school gamer who just wants the console for games. I already have IP TV and many of the integration smart TV's already have or will add.

[zpoc]

even though i'm not getting one, i hope the xbone sells well. i'm pretty sure it will, too. but it's not going to sell as well as the ps4, at the very least not in the first year. the evidence continues to pile up that the ps4 is more anticipated and more pre-ordered than the xbone, which i think will play out when the consoles are released.

[NeoTribe]

Microsoft lieing again... they have no idea what ps4 preorders are. Online polls prove sonys demand destroys xbox.

[thrust]

Online polls , hahahaha the polls people can click multiple times?

[mediate-this]

Xbox dev go home

[tonywood]

EXCLUSIVE & INTERFACE WAR:

It will come down to Halo/Gears, and XBL success....
Vs Naughty dog (if uncharted comes out) killzone, and PS plus.
Also, Bungie's Destiny could hurt MS (Halo).

Sony makes more exclusives...but Halo and Gears have been able yo carry xbox. We'll see how it goes.

[coopman300]

Personally, i plan on going all digital so i have no need for pre orders unless there's a special content deal.

[Trekster_Gamer]

You all act as if this really matters...

It won't change anything...
Multiplatform games will still come to both..

System exclusives will still come to both...

The user base far and away big enough for both systems to thrive.

I could only see the Wii-u getting passed over as usual on many titles.

So if the Ps4 does sell more big deal! I am still going to get my games on my Xbox One and enjoy the heck out of them.

[MajorMayhem70]

If the Xbox One sells over a million out the gate, Microsoft would have to see it as success. Between the whole reveal debacle, price point and 180's and still manage over a million installed base numbers. Who wouldn't see that as a hell of a turn around? Sony fanboys put your hands down...lmao 😝

[ghostrider32]

Who cares? Only idiots that will never see a check brag about sales. Brand loyalty is for the weak.

[tarbis]

Straws straws for sale. Get your straws here. Cheap straws for everyone.

[Chevalier]

Lol. Never once have we had more units available for xbox one. MS cut us off at ridiculously low stock. We 'sold out' at a whole 30 units when we were told to stop preorders. Now that we were allowed to reopen preorders we have a total of standard and day one editions of 62 orders in my store. Our ps4 preorders? 352 preorders. Canada is easily 4-1 PS4 for our company. Our company allotment for Xbox One is not even close to to PS4. This article is a joke, somehow now MS is being humble when every chance they got they throw out stats and now they say they have as much preorders as Sony?! Yeah because Sony just let's their competition know how many units they sold?! I have asked my friends at Best Buy and Futureshop and they have no where close to our preorders and even they said they got very low stock as well.

[PS4FEVER]

All the ps4 launch edition have been sold out at EB(gamestop) australia, while you can still secure an xboxone on launch day.

[DOOMZ]

GREAT news for gamers!!!

[90Supra]

http://i.minus.com/iP1Uc6eN...

[sAVAge_bEaST]

http://www.reactiongifs.com...

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-co...

http://i.imgur.com/EU144zF....

[Themba76]

all of them laughing at xbox one?

[Indo]

I guess my PS4 buy is invisible.

[gigoran]

Feeling insignificant and inadequate so they need to convince people they are not being outdone by Sony when the truth is... HAHAHAHAHA are these guys for real? It's like "my dad could kick your dads ass" when we all know my dads name is Sony and he is an ex-marine that can take out whole teams of soldiers by himself, unarmed. Geeky I.T dad got served!

[Automatic79]

Go with the choice that caters to you. and let time tell what the pre orders are.

[AD705]

So a random developer just decided to gon on reddit one day to claim that the preorders of the xbox one are the same as the ps4? A guy who cannot even tell us the numbers of the preorders let alone show us his true identity?

Seriously xbots stop stooping so low that you're relying on anonymous sources as information.

[SuperBlur]

I think he meant "We have as many pre-order as number in our new console name" - 1 - . muhaha muhaha

[AD705]

lol good one

also what is this xboxone developer working on anyway? We know absolutely nothing about the guy whos saying this. he tells us he or she is a developer yet shows us no evidence, doesnt tell us what game company he or she works for or what games he or she is working on right now.

[horndog]

^^^^^^^Sounds a lot like the so called devs who stated that ps4 was 50% more powerful but no names were given as to who they were or who they worked for but for some strange reason it got accepted here as facts so why not this rumor?? Oh Right!, its positive xbox1 news. How convinient. We will only beleive un-named sources when its pro ps4 news, anything pro for x1 is BS. Got it.

[beebap]

It called common sense yes developer are working on games so they see which console is more powerful while why the hell would a developer know the console preorder numbers for xbox one and then also know that it similar to ps4, were he get sony number from. They announced they reached a million ages ago so thinking what it is now is spectaclation.

[pinocchio2600]

Geppetto preorder me an xbox one. You know i'll be in line at my local gamestop on nov. 22. I also plan on going on nov. 15 to stomp on fools waiting for their ps4.

[SynestheticRoar]

"Microsoft" We have just as many pre-orders as SONY. Also a controller that has AA batteries don't laugh, it's new like SONY. Oh we have bluray now like SONY. Yes we play games like SONY. Are components closely resembles SONY. The system is the color black like SONY. We have exclusives coming out like SONY. YES a share button. Oh sorry we miss that. Lower resolution than Sony, but that ok. Lower frame rate than Sony, but the hell with it. We're hundred dollars more than SONY, but "hey damn it were SONY" lol 2funny.

[Jigga69]

PS4 beats xbox even in US and destroyed it in UK (look at Amazon.co.uk best seller in 2013).

In Europe and the rest of the world it will be a genocide on xbox.

For example there is a poll on big frenchwebsite with more than 70,000 vote : 3:1 in favor of PS4.

[thrust]

You can click on that poll as much as you want tho, kids with time refresh click it, pretty sad.

[Arcanine]

The PS family is way more popular than the Xbox band... there are 4 generations of PlayStation and only 3 of the Xbox.

[jek7]

aw i guess the ps4 is not as good as i thought it was

[kewlkat007]

Microsoft already had said the demand for the Xbox one is greater than the xbox360. Couple that with the positive news that have been flowing the last month.

Microsoft has over 40 million paying members of Xbox live. With the recent dedicated server news for all games if the devs want to take advantage, why get a ps4 of you love multiplayer..

I got 2 preordered..

[deanobi]

Xbox One is starting to own PS4! :D

[deno]

You fanboys are absurd. Buy both systems and play video games.

[boneso82]

"Sony having a million or 1.5 million pre-orders for the PS4, I didn’t even think twice about it. We’re not disclosing pre-order numbers at the moment for accounting reasons but I know for a fact we have just as many."

Ummm... I think you just disclosed them...

[Clarence]

More pr bull$h!t from M$ I see. It's going to be hilarious watching M$ and Xbox fans trying to explain why the PS4 numbers are crushing the xbone.

[sonicjam]

For anyone saying that some game stores still have ps4 for pre-order its because Sony is making more consoles than MS. Sony will sell a lot more because they gonna have more available than MS. Its the reason why Japan is getting the PS4 next year.