Shuita, for Examiner, writes, "Avalanche Studios, the developer behind the “Just Cause” series, posted several job ads on Gamasutra this past Wednesday. The listings mention that the studio is currently developing a “next-generation graphics engine” for what possibly may be the PS4 and Xbox 720."
Eurogamer: "Xbox's Matt Booty has spoken more on the closure of Tango Gameworks earlier this year."
I call BS on this. All metrics were met apparently or was that another lie. There's something deeper happening within xbox's management
He is referring to this tweet by Greenberg which Spencer retweeted.
https://twitter.com/aarongr...
Wood is arguing that MS was either lying then when they claimed the game was a success or they are lying now by giving excuses for shutting down the studio.
What part irks you sir? My opinion that xbox has a management problem or stating xbox heads said metrics were met and the game was a success. They closed the studio that released one of xbox's most successful new ips in a very long time. There's a lie somewhere don't you think or are you the eyes wide shut type
I think we all have an inside scoop at this point. MS has lied so often that we all know what to expect from them.
I don't know that he's lying. The heads at Xbox tend to be forthcoming in painfully indirect ways.
The article notes the exit of Shinji Mikami which I also believe was a factor, but Arkane is a different situation.
Perhaps the issue with everyone's assessment is that, because they closed around the same time, everyone assumes the reasons are the same.
Occam's razor here: Tango lost its value to Microsoft with Mikami out and Arkane just dropped the ball spectacularly.
All being said, Booty is clearly lying about one thing: the notion that anything mentioned in this interview was done "out of respect for the staff" is a bold faced lie. They closed the studio while the staff were on vacation in Japan.
Miss me with that, Booty.
You said "I don't know that he's lying."
And later you said:
"All being said, Booty is clearly lying "
Are you ok?
Spare me the pedantry.
I'm very clearly talking about two different things:
When it comes to telling you about the future or actions taken broadly, they're indirect, but technically not lies. The go-to example is Rise of the Tomb Raider "coming exclusively to Xbox One in 2014." That wasn't a lie, but if you don't read between the lines, you'll think that's a lie. More recently, they tout new Xbox "hardware" which is incredibly ambiguous. It's sketchy, and intentionally vague, but calling it a lie is a bit too heavy handed. In reality, they say things in a way to get you to draw incorrect conclusions and they can blame you for misinterpreting.
I'm saying I don't know how much of what Booty is saying is truthful, intentionally vague, etc.
But on the very specific issue I cite (i.e., wanting to be respectful of staff), he's being dishonest—and it is very clearly a footnote to the broader point being made.
I shouldn't have to explain that in such explicit detail, but clear enough?
‘Best lineup in Xbox history’ advertised during holiday season -cancels Scalebound and Fable after holiday season.
Not a lie. They had a good lineup. They just flipped the scripped after holiday season sales. What they advertised isn’t what the customer receives. Bait and switch
I recall seeing interviews where Shinji Mikami said he had no involvement in the development of HiFi Rush, it was a European guy who directed the game I believe.
So even if its true that Shinji leaving was a loss, closing the studio still doesn't pass the sniff test to me. They shut a great studio who had just put out Xbox' best game in years which had no input from Mikami.
MS can't help but lie, they always have, scummy company.
The gaming media better get on board with these sort of articles as MS buying up the industry means you guys won't get review copies or exclusive news unless you push the MS narrative.
The MS narrative "it's everyone else's fault."
WARNING ⚠️ SARCASM AHEAD WARNING ⚠️ sure they have an awful management with sexual harassment and embezzlement of funds so let’s close the studio we just purchased and leave games in the table. END OF SARCASM
( insert here a comic strip of guy thrown out of window for suggesting firing the management )
Another Fortnite Summer event is around the corner! Its release date has been leaked, and once again, it will bring new skins and rewards.
While AAA games make headlines all over the internet, AA games are quietly and profoundly impacting the gaming industry with their creativity.
No sh!t, like that's one thing that I will give the modern game industry is the re-uprising of the mid-tier. It's not as big as it was during the PS2 like Golden era of the mid-tier, but it's pretty damn good at the moment.
Can we even call half of these games mid-tier when they're just 10 dollars short of full price? And if we're talking about indies that charge around 30 bucks, do many of these games honestly deserve the praise when so many chose the E.A. approach? They mention Hellblade 2 in the article, how can a game that took 5 years to make be considered "mid-tier"? Who knows what that budget was with how much work went into the visuals and sound design and mo-cap.
what's wrong with the early access approach? Supergiant games got so much help from the community and took the feedback to heart and created one of the best roguelikes. The early access that you pay 40 bucks to play the game earlier is awful, but this is actually super beneficial for the devs and also the gamers. Same with DoS2 and Baldur's gate 3.
@Michiel
There are few exceptions in E.A. but let's look at The Rogue Prince of Persian. Why in the factual is an Ubi funded game in E.A.? There are games that are in early access for years, I'm talking 7-8 years. Look at 7 Days to Die, apparently it's coming out of E.A. and they're charging 54 bucks for the 1.0 version on consoles. Crowd funding also brought in a lot of problems, with many games funded turning out crap or then later signing a deal with a publisher regardless. The "mid-tier" market has a lot of shady business practices.
Well im not talking these games but the mid-tier in general, games like the sniper elite series, RoboCop, Alan Wake 2, Lies of P, Stellar Blade, Alone in the Dark, etc it's far better than it was a gew years ago where everything was either a huge AAA game or a simple lo-fi indie game, and there was very little in between.
I have enjoyed some amazing AA gaming this gen, and the Portal has been a surprising catylist for me getting into these.
This. Why does everything have to be this vs that? Good game is good and deserves attention.
War, war never ends.
War! Huh yea good gosh y’all,
what is it good for?
Absolutely nothing!
I suppose the general point is that *overall* AA games deserve more attention right now because of how much good stuff they're putting out. Doesn't mean that you shouldn't give good AAA games attention. The point about attention stands even if you remove the whole AAA vs AA angle.
Indie and AA games just don't count for a huge swathe of the audience. They ignore them or the lack of marketing never drags them in. And many who praise the PS1 and PS2 for smaller, original games and proclaim games to be bad now also don't play these games. The hypocrisy of that is starting to really irritate me, tbh, especially as quality 3D indie games have become common.
Supporting AA games can also slowly give those studios a higher budget to work with while still being creative, and you eventually end up with things like Larian becoming AAA.
@ abnor
Everytime I hear that song I can't help but picture rush hour lol
On topic - there will always be this v that because ppl on both sides of that argument are blinded by their own bias
Hades sold 7 mil on steam alone. Disco Alysium 2.7 just on steam. Plague tale Requiem(is this even AA?) is at 3 mill. How did they not get attention?
And Forespoken is on the attention getting side? It bombed! What a idiotic thumbnail.
SMTVengence is a game that is getting overlooked. Put that on the thumbnail.
Here are some examples of some smaller games that I'd recommend people give a go:
- Metal Hellsinger
- Katana Zero
- The Talos Principle 2
- Bomb Rush Cyberfunk
- Rollerdrome
- Trepang2
- Tinykin
- Another Crab's Treasure
- Sifu
- Ghostrunner
- Penny's Big Breakaway
- The Pathless
- Kena: Bridge Of Spirits
- Midnight Fight Express
- Jusant
- Solar Ash
- Outer Wilds
- Furi
- Superhot
- The Forgotten City
- Crow Country
- Signalis
And obviously stuff like Hotline Miami but that's an obvious choice. Great game
No doubt ps4 will bring amazing visuals and great exclusives.
Just cause 2 was a great game loved it.
No doubt x720 will bring amazing visuals and great exclusives.
they only developing the engine now ?, would rather hear they half way through making a damn game already..
after the engines finished, i wonder how many years it will take them to make just cause 3..
the more i think about it, it seems less and less likely that we'll see a next ps or xb before this time next year.
besides maybe watchdogs and a couple other possibles, there aint no content ..
Why?
*Just 'Cause*
I have logged one hundred and one hours into Just Cause 2. It was also my first 'plat'.
I think Just Cause 3 has become one of the proverbial "system sellers". Well, for ME at least.
:)