Driveclub’s Jab Against Forza Shows that the Console War is Rubbing Off on Publishers the Wrong Way

Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo have been alternating demonstration of respect and fair play with mild jabs for years, since the times of the legendary Crash Bandicoot vs Mario commercial, yet things have never been as heated as with this new generation, at least between Sony and Microsoft, with the jabs starting to be rather harsh and frequent.

[Cindy-rella]

gaming media actually took a jab against forza

[Abriael]

The trailer wasn't created or published by the gaming media.

[GTgamer]

So? they used a Quote that VGA24/7 said not like EVO said it or made it up look it already got that a bunch of gamers going good marketing I say.
come on guys MS/Sony be having commercials saying better with Xbox or Sony saying best place to play, you guys wanna know the difference DC didn't make up that Quote it was a compliment from a journalist I remember resistance had a commercial where it said better than halo from a another journalist.

@abrieal
Where did I say someone was forced to do it all I said it was good marketing and companies did it before and tbh I didn't notice cars colored until said it in the YouTube Comment section. and dude I know you ain't talking your articles be breeding fanboy wars dude you wrote this talking about the jab we already know this gonna be one of the most heated article by the end of the day be honest you love this stuff gain them clicks while you can.

[Abriael]

@GTgamer:

So?

Journalists say a lot of things. No one held whatever marketer storyboarded the trailer at gunpoint to make him include *that* quote, nor to make him top it up with appropriately colored cars ramming one another.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

Yea that's some poor taste for sure. Sure you're competitors, but blatantly putting that in a promo is a little crass in my opinion.

Besides, Forza is not even the top selling racer/Sim on consoles, so why would it need killing. "______ killer" is a term reserved for top selling games of a specific genre, for example: GTA killer, CoD killer, Halo Killer,Gran Turismo Killer, Mario Killer, etc.

When did Forza join that group?

[Xsilver]

@abriael "Ultimately, this kind of stunt, most probably coming straight from the desk of some overeager marketer that has never written a line of code in his life and thought he had a brilliant idea"

Why So Damn Serious Bruh like come on insulting someone for what a little light Jab SMFH it's not even a Xbox fan had a response like that to the trailers.

[Eonjay]

I think you are overreacting and shining a spotlight on something that most people have already forgot about.

It is not that serious. And nothing is more offensive to our sensibilities than gaming media and nothing else has worked harder to split up gamers.

[PeaSFor]

could be worst, like peoples working at Turn10 being busted on GAF shitting on GT as unbiased normal users...

dat professionalism/integrity..

[Gaming247allday]

Forza is a more fleshed out franchise, Driveclub has some proving to do, its a little bit arrogant on Sony's side of things, if it was GT it would of been better suited, but Driveclub needs to prove itself as more than just a pretty Game in my opinion to hold a light against Forza

Let's let the reviews do the talking on this one Sony

[Ashlen]

Wow. I wanna start by saying I like your site and respect the work you do but...

This is one of the worst articles you have done.

Your taking it WAY to seriously, and whats worse is you have had your fair share of click-bait articles and titles in the past so it comes off as a bit hypocritical.

Anyways keep up the good work.

[IrishSt0ner]

@PeaSFor - link, evidence? That's a serious accusation, it'd defintely change my mind on Turn 10 if you can back that up.

[Spotie]

But the quote was.

[viperman240]

@IrishSt0ner

Here you go.

http://www.thebitbag.com/in...

[SilentNegotiator]

With all of the things Turn 10 have said over the years, they can take a simple competitive jab (which is just a quote from a publication).

[Why o why]

I didn't like it when turn 10 were taking jabs at PD last gen...I dont like it now. Leave that stuff to us.

[Gazondaily]

No idea why people are disagreeing with Abriael. He's spot on.

Not that I mind all this rivalry. It makes things interesting. Now dry your eyes lads and bring it on!

[Volkama]

I remember when the first Killzone came out. Going into shops was still a thing people did back in those days, and Virgin Megastore had a tonne of posters up for the game. Those posters had a media quote claiming the game was Sony's "Halo killer".

It was a nice reminder that Halo is awesome. I doubt Microsoft will be too upset to see Sony talking up another one of their IPs here either.

[UltraNova]

@ Giuseppe

Let me ask you an honest question, do you really believe that this was Evolution Studios idea or some marketing suit within Sony?

OT:
Taking 'broad spectrum' jabs at each other (Sony/MS)is fun for the most part (remember those PC Vs Apple ads?) and I love that. But when things get _specific_ that's going too far. Calling your game a killer of another is too much.

However, as some others above already pointed out, this has happened before and no one complaint like this.(ex. Turn 10 bashing GT games)

[mcarsehat]

"No one held whatever marketer storyboarded the trailer at gunpoint to make him include *that* quote"

Yes they do, that is how trailers are made, how can that not seem true????

[Mr Pumblechook]

There's nothing wrong with reporting this, but the way it's reported has a touch of flamebait about it.

[Patrick_pk44]

@Abriael Based on your logic, it probably would have been better if it quoted, "worse than forza, buy that now!". It is a goddamn competition child.

[donthate]

In a backwards way, Sony essentially just admitted that Forza series is great, and the developer is aspiring to be better.

Ironically, this is positive PR for Forza being legitimized and DriveClub needing to prove itself.

In essence not classy, especially for a game delayed a year!

[speedforce131]

Abriel you're an idiot. Apparently you were missing from 2005-2013 where Microsoft constantly barraged Sony with smear campaign after smear campaign after smear campaign (and it's still going). All of a sudden, it's wrong for Sony or their developers to do now? This isn't even as bad as Microsoft. It's tame by comparison. To top it all off you wrote a whole article on it and published it on N4G? What a joke.

[Anon1974]

So, if I understand this correctly, this guy has an issue because he disagrees with someone else's opinion that was used as one of a few quotes in the trailer? So what? Companies shouldn't be allowed to use quotes from other media sources in their promotion unless you personally agree with that quote?

And what, you just slept through all the non-stop noise and chest thumping Turn 10 engaged in over the years?

What a steaming pile of nonsense.

[360ICE]

Small dogs have always barked at the bigger dogs. Forza takes jabs at GT all the time. Not saying that that's totally fine. I'd prefer if developers kept a civil tone and respected each other, but I'm actually more concerned about the gaming media's sometimes compulsive need to use the console war to generate hype.

[gootimes]

I guess all the bull crap and jaw flapping Turn 10 has done about Gran Turismo gets a fee pass from Xbox fanboys now. hmm

[Christopher]

Abriael you're just running this for the sake of hits and creating more drama out of it.

Comments like this are used all the time. Usually they're made in comparison to third party games. Make it about first-party games and suddenly there's drama.

Good job on getting the clicks.

[geddesmond]

Sensitivity 101. Gamers need to man up and stop being a bunch of gaming B holes. Winners will always brag and losers will always cry. Human nature. If your a person that got upset about this then you really need to take a step back and Analise yourself. What exactly are you annoyed at.

If Forza 2 horizon is all that then why would you get upset. You have the game in your hand don't you? Isn't that all that matters?

[aragon]

honestly i dont see what the big deal is. its called marketing and dear author u are marketing driveclu with this article so the ad has served its purpose. however vg247 should be worried about driveclub killing forza or they will lose credibility in future previews and reviews.

[Kribwalker]

Funny, I remember when they said Killzone was a halo killer.....

[MadLad]

And Haze . . .

[specialguest]

Killzone killed nothing but itself. It has gotten less impressive with every new entry. It's not even a graphically top tier like the past games.

[Blueponder]

Driveclub cant kill anything before its released anyway, and I doubt the current release date

[Hardcore_gamerxbox]

Not gaming media Sony fan boys did

[3-4-5]

Either way....both games are good.

[Xb1ps4]

Lmfao! The blue car and green car is funny...

Can't wait till this game releases to see if it delivers!

It's got big shoe to fill already.. Dc not being open world and all, it better have variety to no end, it's going to need that burnout touch to it..

[Pogmathoin]

Forza is on X1, DriveClub is on PS4..... Whats the issue then?

[nicksetzer1]

Sadly, I highly doubt it will "kill" anything. Guess we will see in a few days.

[Abriael]

Why "sadly?"

I'd be sad if it killed something. Not that it'll happen. Games aren't killed by other games.

[JoGam]

I'm sorry for some reason your comment made me think about MAG. Miss that game. smh.

[Mega24]

As much as I want DC to succeed (but not kill Forza...wtf), FH2 has the advantage. FM has always had the advantage when it came to GT and other racers, it was the customization and liberty of being unique with the paint jobs, and vehicle mods. Main reason I'm still a fan of forza, but I stayed at FM4 because I gots no X1.

[lifeisgamesok]

Yeah I doubt this ends up better than Forza Horizon 2

That game is getting rave reviews from people that don't even like racing games

Driveclub should be decent though the graphics during some parts are great

[MeliMel]

The graphics a great thru out not some parts..

[ger2396]

So why aren't you playing it?

[MasterCornholio]

It doesn't need to kill anything it just needs to be a good game which is the most important thing.

[KiwiViper85]

I wonder what Gran Turismo devs are thinking right now.

[GTgamer]

Gran Turismo is one of the best selling Racers the devs don't have to think anything :/

[Ezz2013]

GT Developers
http://i.imgur.com/O7EEkYa....

[OOMagnum]

True but Forza is the higher rated series.

[FITgamer]

@magnum No it isn't. GT has metacritic and sales locked down.

[DaGamingKing]

GT was knocked off its perch officially with Forza 4 and its remained that way ever since. Your a fool to beleive otherwise.

[Battlefieldlover]

You are... You're. I can only imagine a "fool" getting something like that wrong.

[MasterCornholio]

@Da

If you look at metacritic Forza 5 has a score of 79 while GT6 has a score of 81. And in terms of sales, Forza 5 sold 1.5 million copies while GT6 sold 2.49 million copies.

I dont understand why you make claims that Forza 5 destroyed Gran Turismo when that isn't the case.

They are both great franchises that cater to different audiences.

[starrman1985]

Forza 2, 3 and 4 all quite clearly lead over GT5+6. GT was amazing back on PS1+2 but lost its charm last generation. Forza 5 was really more of high res stripped down version of 4, it deserved a lower score as it's not really a true representation of what Turn 10 can achieve.

[scorpian007]

@MasterCornholio Not a fair comparison as Forza 5 was on a new gen console with a much smaller install base whereas GT6 was on PS3 with 80m+ install base.

Look at Forza 4's sales vs GT6's and you have a more apples to apples comparison

[Riderz1337]

Live feed of Kazunori Yamauchi in his office right now.

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-c...

*Replace woody harrelson with Kaz*

[Volkama]

*Replace office with Opium Den*

At least I assume that's why GT games have such a lengthy dev cycle!

[TekKing]

GT already killed Forza. Let someone else have a turn.

[KiwiViper85]

Then why didn't they say "GT Killer" Saying Forza Killer implies that Forza is the top dog, and the franchise to beat.

[SoapShoes]

Because Forza is an easier target.

[OOMagnum]

Again for you Gt fans Forza is the higher rated series. Shit before 6 you guys didnt even have real physics it was all bumper cars.

[FanMan]

@ OOMagnum, forza 5 has a metacritic of 79 while gt6 has a metacritic of 81.

looking at the highest rated from any of the titles, gt has a 96 which is higher than any of forza's.

further, if you look at average scores of all forza games vs gt games, gt averages at 89.6 while forza has an average of 88.8. tell me again how forza is rated higher?

[remixx116]

Because sony owns GT, why would EVO attack them.

[Xsilver]

@Kiwiviper85 Why Would Sony want someone to Put GT Killer Dude Sony doesn't want their own Franchises to Kill each other Forza is on the competitors machine that's why VGA24/7 said Forza killer.

[OOMagnum]

Hey Fanman, we can look at this any way you want forza wins. If you add up all the games from ps2 era and up (when forza was out) it comes out to 87.8>85.8 in favor of forza. If you even want to go way back to help gran turismo out with Gt1 (when there was no xbox let alone forza)its 88.8>88.2 in favor of forza.Theres been only one Forza game lower than a 90 and its 5 with a 79, while gt has 4 games under 90. So i suggest you learn averages before you disagree. Now of course Gt1 has a 96 thats ps1 era and it was the first of its kind but even with that it doesnt touch forza in averages, let alone physics or customization (both exotic paint art or car customization or online and these are staples in forza from inception). Shit like i said i dont know how any of the Gt games before 6 was considered simulation when the physics was none existent (you can literally play bumper cars and bump people off of the road with no penalty to your car). I counted every disc game, if you decide to go back and find out how wrong you are. Now disagree away as everything ive said and always say is fact, guess the truth does hurt.

[FanMan]

@ OOMagnum

my averages are not wrong. i was only including the main series. not prologue not hd concept and not the psp version because those are not the main iterations of the game. basing it off that, gran turismo is rated higher.

and even if you do use those averages that include HD and prologue, that does not discount that the latest and most up-to-date versions of both, gt has a better rating. so you can disagree all you want, but your point of forza being rated higher in your original comment isnt even correct basing off the latest version of each game.

and since you are hung up on scores lower than 90, and the fact that gt has more, you should also take note that gt has none below 80, while forza does making it the lowest scoring of any in both series. truth hurts.

[qwerty676]

kind of a low blow i guess

but it doesn't even make sense

a track racer vs an open world racer completely different things.

but why didnt they allow early reviews of this game like forza did? lack of confidence?

[KiwiViper85]

I think they're referring to FM5 rather than FH2.

[qwerty676]

its going to kill a game that came out a year ago? or the forza franchise as a whole?

what does that make GT then? that's already a well established circuit racer that's competing against forza.

driveclub seems like the odd man out and doesn't have its own identity, unless this game blows us away people will associate it with a lesser version of GT.

in my opinion they should have made driveclub an open world racer. and have GT as their circuit racer.

so when someone hears "driveclub" they'll think "thats sonys exclusive open world racer" not "oh thats a game like GT"

[GodGinrai]

"I think they're referring to FM5 rather than FH2."

Either way, Im not sure why they would compare DC to FM5. FM5 is a sim with that golden physics model, and intimate handling feel.As a sim, FM5 has a depth that DC, cannot match, because its cars require mastery of real driving techniques, as well as a good grasp of how suspension/engine/gearbox tuning works.

[uth11]

GT isn't on the PS4 (yet)

[Riderz1337]

GT is competing against Forza? Funny, the sales don't make it seem like it's even a competition.

[DanzoSAMA]

Actually Forza better than GT to be honest.

[WitWolfy]

I love GT just as much as the next dude, but Forza blew it away for me with its community auctions.

It made your car feel so unique when you drove on a track with a Gears of War custom made Mini or a Spongebob square pants 350Z.

GT couldnt compete with that, and that made FORZA so much better for me.

[LackTrue4K]

low blow?? lol.....i call "selling cologne"

"a low blow"
lol

[FanMan]

how is that a low blow? is it desperate? yes. but not really a low blow.

[tinynuggins]

Either way, Forza 5 is almost a year old. Not really a fair comparison. I wonder what Forza 5 would have looked like if Turn 10 delayed it a year.

[aviator189]

I imagine the scores for FM5 would definitely have been much higher. The only thing holding it back was the lack of content vs the content that was present in previous forza games. Nearly everything else about the game was commended.
Hopefully, turn 10 gets to realize its vision for next-gen forza with forza 6.

[GodGinrai]

"Nearly everything else about the game was commended.
Hopefully, turn 10 gets to realize its vision for next-gen forza with forza 6."

Yup. I still play FM5 as when all is said and done its still a forza game. It still has the great car physics. tuning. custom liveries/paintjobs. solid online component (probably still the best in any racer on console bar FH2).

[slasaru01]

We can compare the current content. 200 plus cars and dozens of tracks against 50 cars and no 60 fps

[internationterrorist]

The truth of the matter is that the x1 is not capable of the graphics levels of Drive Club. DriveClub has photo realistic graphics and some of the best graphics on any game console or PC. I'm not saying that DriveClub will have better gameplay than Forza 5. But their is clearly a graphics difference between x1 and PS4 hardware wise. Just this week alone Lords of the Fallen PS4 1080P x1 900p PES , soccer 1080P 60fps PS4 X1 720p , DriveClub 1080P 60fps PS4 currently x1 900p, shadow of mordor 1080P 60fps PS4 X1 unnoticed 720p -900p 30fps. X1 fans say how great Ryse looks and yes I agree. Ryse and Quantum break have the best graphics on x1. But neither come close to the level of The Odrer 1886 or DeepDown. I most admit I didn't think that x1 or PS4 were capable of the level of graphic of The Odrer 1886.

[YodaCracker]

Look at 360 or PS3 games from 2006 and compare them to 2013 games on the same hardware. As developers become more and more comfortable with the hardware, the games keep looking better and better. Do you really believe that the Xbox One will never be capable of producing graphics on the level of an early PS4 game? The power difference is not that large.

[Kiwi66]

"Driveclub 1080p 60fps PS4 currently x1 900p " when was it said that DC was multiplat

[OldDude]

Wow could you possibly have that list any more screwed up. Well it's either that or you are just spewing VS.

Start with DC, it isn't multiplatform and it isn't 60 fps. If you're going to hack on a system, at least have some idea what you are talking about.

Also comparing launch games to games with an additional years dev time... And the Order with black bars cutting off the pixels and low frame rate... Wow.

[internationterrorist]

MrKrispy@

Thank you I meant Project Cars is currently 900p 60fps on x1.

Yodacracker@

I don't understand why people don't see that x1 is underpowered. PS4 is also less powerful that I would've liked to see it.

Do you think that the Wiiu will every have games on the PS4 level of graphic. Yes the x1 graphics will get better. But it will never be on par with the PS4. That's impossible you xbox fan need to stop this da cloud, SDK and DX12 stuff.

X1 is barely treading water right now with last gen CrossOver gen game running . Microsoft had to help get Diablo 3 and Destiny to last gen CrossOver Games 1080P. Diablo 3 is a 2 year old 3D top down game. A brand new next gen console should not struggle to get 1080P 60fps with drops frame rates to 50fps.

Do you think games will be less complex new game engines will be more resource demanding not less.

I hate to beat a dead horse but PS4 has 50 % more GPU cores. Real world that's about 30 % real world preformance by benchmark digitalfoundry . We aren't talking about the memory bandwidth advantage the PS4 has over x1 small 32 mb of Esram and slow DDR3 RAM . Microsoft didn't developers the x1 for graphics. The made a all in 1 media center. So now x1 will struggle this gen. Do listen to me listen to microsoft.

Xbox One 'does not target the highest-end graphics', says MS head engineer.

Xbox One "does not target high-end graphics"

mcvuk

Tuesday, May 21st 2013 at 10:57PM

A Microsoft developer has effectively admitted the Xbox's retreat from the console graphics war.

"We purposefully did not target the highest-end graphics,” GM of silicon development Greg Williams told Engadget, as spotted by CVG. “We targeted more as a broad entertainment play and did it in an intelligent way.

"The people who are here have clearly done them before and we've done them within Microsoft before. But this is one of the more strategic plays and in terms of the overall product, that is a clear differentiator, and the [hardware IP] that we've developed here is truly unique."

I don't understand why people can't see why x1 games have lower frame rates and resolution vs the PS4 version.

Both PS4 and x1 Will maximum sooner than PS3 and 360. Sony lost their shirts last gen on PS3. So the went with a smaller budget. Microsoft was trying to chase the casual crowd . Kinect was a huge success for Microsoft. So Microsoft bet the farm on kinect and growing it's customers base and fail miserably. I'm hoping for a short console cycle. Because both PS4 and x1 are not powerful enough for a long console cycle.

[Kiwi66]

BS you mean't Project Cars as now it just looks like your covering up because you got caught trolling

[CamBulls12]

Blame VG24/7 for that, not Evo Studios. They just made the trailer and quoted them.

[Fizzler]

Everyone is responsible for their own actions, they didn't have to quote them, they chose to.

[ScorpiusX]

Wow these tools never learn , the last time they tried this whole killer thing they failed miserably and we're the laughing stock for a very long time.will if they want to play fools hope turn 10 & Playground games help them in doing so .fools

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

Forza won't be killed anytime soon, especially by a barebones effort like Drive Club.

Forza Horizon 2 absolutely smokes Drive Club in just about every aspect. It's one on of the most content-rich games I've ever played.

[uth11]

Wow, oversensitive much? It's just a jab. I don't think "kill" means literally kill, just that it one ups Forza, in the opinion of VG247.

With as nasty as the console wars can get, this seems mild. If you think about it, it's praising Forza in a way as being a franchise to beat. That's better than most console war rhetoric that characterizes opposing franchises as garbage often.

[MeliMel]

You speak the truth. Fanboys should be taking this as a compliment. Wait til DC releases and if its not what they say it is. Then let it rain.... buyah

[-Foxtrot]

Really? Quoting a preview/review/interview or whatever for an advert of a game you are making is a "jab"

Hello...

http://i.imgur.com/MiE18Lg....

They are as bad as each other

Remember Microsoft at E3 "We will kill Sony at E3"

[Gazondaily]

"Really? Quoting a preview/review/interview or whatever for an advert of a game you are making is a "jab" "

What??

They decided to use that quote and incorporate it into THEIR TRAILER and then had a blue car flip out a green one. Its not a jab?

And then you use the Destiny perfume ad that makes no specific mention to a platform??

What hypocrisy...seriously. The fact that you lot can't even see it is astounding. Wow.

[InTheZoneAC]

sensitive much?

[Dread]

Lol

Wait till ms (or anyone else for that matter) takes a jab on anything sony related and i bet u will see lots of n4g ponies having a little horsey fit.

Hypocrites.

[k3rn3ll]

This is true. Same as when MS was desperate when trying to post the destiny ads. But in this case it's totally fine because it's sony.

[MadLad]

@k3rn3ll

Microsoft's Destiny ad commented on nothing about its competition. This ad does, and does so in a negative light.

With that said, Dread is right. Taking that into consideration, it was nothing but talks of desperation and whatever other sort of mud slinging towards Microsoft for that ad, despite they attacked nobody with it.
Here? "It's totally cool, bro, marketing is marketing", apparently. Despite being an obvious attack.

[Gh05t]

You mean the same way Sony fans acted when MS posted the destiny cologne ad.

No hypocrisy there...

I am not saying you are wrong I just think its funny how you would call out one side for the same thing the other does.

Its a double standard on both sides and is blatantly stupid since this really doesn't matter.

Seriously who cares if VG24\7 thinks this game will kill Forza... If it does then they were right and if it doesn't then they were wrong but lets not get our panties all wadded up by a comment and viseo of a jab at MS.

Why is everyone so emotional these days?

It is like everyone is so thin skinned you cant have any kind of banter without someone crying.

"This is true. Same as when MS was desperate when trying to post the destiny ads. But in this case it's totally fine because it's sony." I wouldn't call it desperate but yeah it was totally fine, and so is this, both are totally fine. unless you want to make a big deal out of it which seems to be what happened then and whats happening now.

[SlyGuy]

Today's 'jabs' are nothing compared to rivals in the past, e.g., Sega's aggressive ads. Here are some examples.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

...and perhaps one of the worst ones (Gameboy vs Gamegear): https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[lfc_4eva]

True true.

But it still demonstrates a lack of class.

[Silly gameAr]

It's rubbing off on everyone the wrong way. There was a blitz of troll articles that were poorly written and some that weren't even done yet being approved in seconds last night. It's rubbing off on certain journalist the wrong way as well.

This is what gaming has become and it makes me sick to my stomach.

[cfc78]

Who cares let the best racer deliver the final blow.

[jrshankill]

You see, the problem is that this generation believes the media hype way too much. There are people here who have already made up their mind that Driveclub is better than Forza without even playing.

If you don't believe me, I could make a post that says "Driveclub will not be as good as Forza Horizon". I would then receive disagrees from people who are more concerned about brand loyalty without even playing the game.

The media calling this a "Forza Killer" is incredibly short sighted. I hope for a good game, I hope Driveclub delivers so we have 2 excellent driving games on both consoles, but they are playing to the brand loyalty here and EVO knows it too. The new Forza is an excellent, well balanced and content rich experience..

The thing is, EVO and Driveclub now have to deliver there promises of this being a "Forza Killer".. but I would say more than half of Sony's fanbase already believe this without experiencing both games.. and EVO knows it.

[AceofStaves]

Meh. They used a quote from another source. Movie commercials do it all the time, so why is this any different? It's like the Destiny perfume ad MS put out, just to remind people who might have thought the game was PS4 exclusive because of Sony's advertising campaign for it.

Some gamers need to grow a thicker skin and not clutch their pearls over everything companies do. It's all business.

[ashen122]

to much drama in gaming, i just want to game

[MrBeatdown]

I wonder if this this much uproar for MS's other products.

With the amount of flak Sony takes for this stuff, it seems like you'd hear heads exploding during those commercials comparing Siri and Cortana.

[gangsta_red]

MS gets just as much flack as anyone else. I mean did we not see the "flack" MS got for their perfume ad?

I don't know why people suddenly forget this whenever a supposed Sony stumble occurs.

Not to mention this is one article, from one person, I hardly call this Sony taking flack.

[MrBeatdown]

Who's forgetting anything?

I'm not talking about the article. I'm talking about the comments here. I'm just saying, if people think using a quote comparing the game to Forza is bad, advertising for all of Microsoft's other products must be giving these same people seizures.

[Ko_Uraki]

Instead of putting some spicy consolewar in their trailer, I would have liked to read some reviews before the release date.

[Bathyj]

Yeah, unnecessary, but not a big deal either.

[Khronikos]

I like how now that Sony is in lead position they have no right to anything. Can't be proud of anything. It's all good lovin' here now guys. Nevermind Microsoft tried to bury them last gen with the worst failed product in consumer history. Hold on while I make my insanely rich competitor some tea and crumpets while he tries to stab me in the back.

Now we have the PCorrect crowd and the millenial crowd whining AGAIN. WILL THEY EVER STOP? Not likely.

[Gh05t]

It must get lonely on fantasy island. Would you please send me a post card?

I would argue that most Sony fans would say that Sony never left the lead position... so... how does that work?

"Hold on while I make my insanely rich competitor some tea and crumpets while he tries to stab me in the back."

Stab me in the back? Is MS supposed to hold Sony's hand and take them to prom? They are business RIVALS for deity sake. They aren't "friends" they are trying to both gain market share from the same market, and what exactly did MS do that is so dishonorable that you equate it to stabbing Sony in the back?

[hkgamer]

Its basically quoting what reviewers said.

Google sone of the ads bmw does. Or look at the tweeta from the #bendgate incident

[system22]

stupid. being competitive makes better products for consumers. a little rib poking keeps everyone on their toes. football teams don't go around praising their opponents. coke doesn't give pepsi a pat on the back. besides... Theres an advertising agency involved in the making of these trailers and they guide the devs on how to advertise/show off their product (while communicating the developers intentions). i know this because i do this stuff for a living. I just worked on the live action Destiny commercial as well as quite a few others.

They are just getting consumers fired up and taking what one publication said to make the product look good. If anything that implies that forza is the standard to beat... which isn't a bad thing for forza. lastly... this seems like a stretch and seems completely over dramatic. how many people are outraged every time samsung makes a commercial bashing apple....

[aerisbueller]

Oh waaah. :(
Sensitive little DualShockers, kings of clickbait.

All this means is the game better not suck gameplay-wise, or it's going to be super embarrassing.

[Speak_da_Truth]

Uhhhh VG247 said it not Sony or Evo and If it was me I'd do the same thing cus it makes my product look good and just cus they(Sony/Evo) used it in their ad doesn't necessarily mean that's what's gonna happen.

[hello12]

I believe an tv ad for Forza Horizon was a jab at driveclub too lol They are just as bad as us on here.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[typittt69]

Where is the jab at Driveclub? All i see is cars leaving the race track. Any game's racetracks. Not just Driveclub

[GearSkiN]

Really coz forza 5 wasn't about a single track right?

[cfc78]

The ad is just showing that Forza is leaving the track racing of FM and going to open road racing of FH nothing to do with Dc.

[OiNioB]

I'm sorry but content wise Driveclub is going to get destroyed.

I'll go as far to bet that it follows the same fate as Killzone:Shadowfall, all graphics and generic/blend gameplay.

[ger2396]

And will probably outsell forza. So what's your point?

[Legacy212]

Whats with you people and sales? Killzone shadow fall sold millions and it was mediocre. Destiny sold like hot cakes and the game was trash. Watch dogs sold millions and it was a let down. Wii fit sold more then all these games. Sales does not equal quality but if thats how you like to make yourself feel better then be my guest

[Gunstar75]

So sales are the seal of quality now?

[jrshankill]

His point is that a quality and content rich game is better than a generic and bland game with nice graphics.

You proved his point quite well though, you are only interested in sales and not the quality of gaming. This seems to be the trend with this gen.

Quality over quantity any day.

[HappyWithOneBubble]

Haha I think it's funny but Forza have already been killed by Gran Turismo.

[GearSkiN]

Ur an example of a fanboy.

[GearSkiN]

Wow you fanboys are funny, ps4 this xbox that! Seriously love a game, learn to do that.. I have both console and I never once became a bias person jabbing on a game from another console.

[hiawa23]

I agree 100%. Some gamers act like they built the consoles or something. I am enjoying both consoles, looking forward to see what both bring to the table, currently playing more X1. I find it hilarious you have grown assed men taking javs every chance they get and acting this way. I like games like everyone else but in the grand scheme, not that important.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Really Abriael. You complain about Click-Bait Articles..
Yet you post them all the time...

p.s.
I use AdBlock-Plus.. Like A Boss!

[n4rc]

Lol.. So do I..

Its not my responsibility to provide income to anyone.. Maybe then we wouldn't have 50 new "gaming" sites popping up every week trying to capitalize off of us fighting about everything..

[gamer7804]

if you notice its a blue car that wrecks the green car, another jab at the xbox brand as well as forza.

[FanMan]

i do not understand this jab. can you explain?

[Volkama]

They're the brand colours.

[gamer7804]

Volkama's correct, its a brand subtle message to go with the quote about the game.

[ghostface9]

Wow this reeks of desperation from driveclub. This game may look a little better but wont be any where near as good of a game as forza horizon 2

[Jihaad_cpt]

A little... Lol

[jmac53]

If anything this is a compliment to Forza. It wasn't that long ago people were calling Forza the Gran Turismo-killer or all the Halo-kilers from the past.

[danny818]

Drive club another souless ip from sony. Only ips that i love are uncharted, lbp, and sony sid away with its only competant racer. Wipeout.

[eyeDEVOUR]

The 1rst motorstorm game was badass!! So this game has a good chance at being just a great...

[DougLord]

First - I find this complaint to be kinda pathetic. Calling your game a Forza killer is actually a compliment to Forma and showing 2 cars wrecking in an ad for a racing game is normal. No need to get butt hurt over something so small.

Secondly - No way in hell is Drive Club a better game then Forza. It's a been there done that standard racer that we've played a million times before. Maybe it's graphics are slightly better then FH2 - but graphics don't make a game good. FH2 is refreshing, it's a semi new spin on a traditional racer. No way Drive club ends up with an average score of 87.5%.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

Is butt hurt the new fragrance from Microsoft?

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Lol....Forza killer? Yeah no....

[ScaryMonkey]

Yep, probably best to start dealing with it now.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I love the silly notion of XYZ game is a killer of some other platforms XYZ game. Its just fanboy drivel nothing more. This goes for all systems.

[Ra3030]

As much fun as I have had and will have at taking shots at Microsoft I have a issue with this jab at the Microsoft game. I'm sure it's meant in fun but it's a sad fact people really do get hurt in car crashes, gamers and their family members die in such crashes every single day. Hard to believe that someone high on the food chain didn't put a stop to this ad and it will be harder to believe that they won't issue a statement with an apology tomorrow. I've read through some of the comments and it's one thing for fanboys to say this and it's completely another for a game developer to say it in a ad it's just wrong.

[Gh05t]

You are kidding right?

If we took everything as serious as you are trying to make it than there would be no room for fun or humor in life itself.

Lighten up a little, this is not making "light" of tragic car accidents. This is a game not reality and seeing destruction in a game environment is exactly where it belongs... where no one gets hurt.

Call of duty commercials must put you in tears.

[voodoogts]

Hmmm wonder why Forza been rated best racing game for 10 years straight... Hope you guys really played DC beta... It sucked compared to FH2.

[EvilWay]

This game has nothing on Forza that is the saddest thing about it

[ScaryMonkey]

This game far surpasses Forza in every single way, whats truly sad is your to blinded by Microsoft to see it.

[lemoncake]

If you think driveclub far surpasses forza in EVERY SINGLE way I am sorry to say but you are the one completely blinded by Sony.

[EvilWay]

Surpasses is what way?
Forza has better driving, more cars, and full customization

DriveClub has the edge in graphics but that is it

[WilDRangeRfc]

You have played niether so your talking out your arse,played FH2 demo last night the game is breathtaking and gameplay unmatched

[Skankinruby]

Lol Forza has always been desperately trying to scrape up gran turismos leftovers and people wanna act like its the standard to beat. Its a copycat the same way battlefield is with cod. Driveclub is at least something new and gorgeous, Forza is old news sorry silly fanboys

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

It's gonna be funny when Driveclub evolves as a franchise & becomes even more competitive! 2 Forza games into the "next gen" & One thing is for certain... It can't compete visually to Driveclub which is only on its 1st game! This gap is gonna get crazier as the franchise grows!

[iamgoatman]

Because visuals are what REALLY matters in a racing game, lets just forget everything else.

[Daz]

iamgoatman
Seems like what most people are saying at the moment ;/

[WilDRangeRfc]

FH2 is breathtaking you have never seen the two games in the real world so please keep your fanboyism to yourself

[neomahi]

This is how Microsoft wants to play it. This is all Sony really knows. It'd been this brutal taking on Nintendo and SEGA. I would dare say SEGA pioneered this sort of marketing and it made the console wars of the SNES vs Genesis interesting. While that mentality still carries on today as the Genesis does what Nintendon't, get them altogether under one roof, and they're best friends with a common interest. Likewise, Sony and Microsoft know this is how the business goes. That business is business. When GTTV got Phil Spencer and Jack Tretton under one roof, it was like they were best friends.Spencer knew Tretton was a toughy-and was relieved he no longer had to compete against him, because Tretton was a likable guy- it's competition. Spencer is now sizing up Andrew House, as it looks like SCEA CEO isn't much of a threat, House is. And House and Cerny are making sure the PS3 debacle doesn't happen again.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

A bit from Dualshockers I agree with? What is going on here?

[quenomamen]

This been going since the days of Mario vs Sonic stop crying.

[llMurcielagoll]

I won't consider Drive club to be a Forza Motorsport 5 Killer...

A more fair competition is between FM5 and PS4's iteration of Gran Tursimo (Presumably GT7), in which both are race sims and not arcade racers such as Forza Horizon 2. Until then will see who comes on top. This is bearing in mind only first party titles. I look forward to see what Project Cars brings to the table.

But I could see Drive Club compete against Xbox 360/One's Forza Horizon 2.

[ScaryMonkey]

Their just speaking the truth.

[GodGinrai]

@scarymonkey

I cant wait to read your posts when it gets sub 8 scores, next week. Gonna be a rough ride (pun intended) for DC fans, thats for sure.

I on the other hand , look forward to picking up FH2 tomorrow. a game that has lived up to and surpassed its hype.and best of all, I can vouch for it because I have been playing the demo all week. Tell me..what do the cars handle like in DC? how do they react to weather and surface changes? I dont think you are able to answer those questions, monkey.

[PingasoFromHell]

It's only to build up hype for the game, so more people preorder and buy the game.

[CertifiedGamer]

Over-sensitive Xboned fans get offended over this, go cry somewhere else fanboys. Driveclub deserves this publicity.

[D-riders]

So the author is mad because it's said to be a for a killer. Well for me it us I'll get drive club and not forza. The real article is why is this game being compared to forza when it's a new franchise against a established one. If this kills forza what will gt di

[MadLad]

"Believe the hype" . . .

[Ryan741]

The delopers of the game better hope so, they did not get an extra year on a game that was apparently all but finished to be reviewed inferior to Forza.

[sovkhan]

Ads tactics here, where is the problem???

[NeoGamer232]

LOL.

If this is a Forza killer then why aren't the reviews out for it? Forza Horizon reviews started appearing a full week before launch showing that they were confident they had built a game that would score well with reviewers.

Here we are 5 days before launch and there are still no reviews of DriveClub. What is Sony trying to hide?

I'm not going to speculate on how DriveClub will score. I hope it does really well. But to date, DriveClub previews have said, great graphics and hinted at a lack of depth in content and gameplay.

[WilDRangeRfc]

I don't like racing games but I thought I would download FH2 demo and I'm hooked what a game!!! I will download DC too when it's available,PS4 fans deserve a racing game on par with FH2 I hope it is every bit as good as FH2,didn't like Forza 5 but FH2 gameplay is insane,the free roam where you just bump into random players I the countryside is amazing

[HateFueled]

How do you even manage to find the time and streinght to keep this retarded "war" going?
We all compare things to one another, don't we? I know I do! And whatever I prefer is what I go with. I don't care if I'm alone, or if everybody makes the same decisions that I do! WHY do you care so much!? If you prefer Forza then stick to it and enjoy the game! Why do you care if they call DC a Forza killer? Are you afraid of something? STFU and play what makes you happy! That's all that really should matter to you :)

[SojournUK]

Clickbait.

[hiawa23]

Forza killer, really? What does one have to with the other? Seems like different games to me, but I am looking forward to it. A killer it probably won't be, as that sounds like fanboy nonsense thrown in to get clicks. It looks nice, I am hoping it is more arcade than sim as I don't like sims at all, and FH2 is the perfect balance, and I tend to like open world better than closed track.

[Father__Merrin]

although PlayStation is a hundred times better than xbox, I've never been a fan if headlines like "killer this killer that" etc

it's unwarranted imo

[SojournUK]

Totally agree with you there...

I hope it's like Metropolis Street Racer, still fire up my Dreamcast now and then to play it.

[DJStotty]

Forza 6 xbone one's Driveclub killer

[Phish]

People need to relax. Competition is a good thing. Both games will be great. I'm glad to see them taking jabs at each other.

[AutoCad]

Ya idk about killing forza lol,
The game looks incredible graphically but the content isnt just there for me to go out and spend $50 on.

No weather at launch
No Mechanical Damage
No Tuning
No Livery customization
and 50 Cars which most are European cars.

[TheBurger29]

Honestly who cares. Sony and MS gamers should be smart enough to know its just an ad.

[xX1NORM1Xx]

so we are still doing this ok ill be all the way over there with the people that don't care about other peoples choices.

[Immorals]

Fanboys. Fanboys everywhere..

On topic, how can you call an arcade racer a forza killer? It's two different types of games.. Driveclub looks awesome, and I'll probably get it when I get my ps4..

[FanboysKiller]

I hate stereotype comments.

[SynestheticRoar]

Not cool in my book. A litte insensitive.

[Thomaticus]

Driveclub isn't a Forza Horizon 2 killer........ Horizon sets the bar extremely high; I really want to see how certain elements (i.e. clubs) that are similar to both games are done in Driveclub as compared to Horizon.

[finito82]

no offense to anyone who likes forza, this is just my opinion from the TV commercial, but the graphics look weird to me like almost cartoony, the cars and stuff are to bright , something is not right with the graphics.

whereas if you look at the graphics of driveclub, or better yet project cars (which beats both) the graphics just look more real and sharp and less cartoony.

[ForgottenProphecy]

This is pure clickbait. They are quoting a video game journalist, not taking a jab.

[iNFAMOUZ1]

forza killer? hahahaha sure maybe on planet loopy

[rivencleft]

Can't we all just get along?..

[urwifeminder]

The cars did not even look like they are on the road in the video I seen but what ever gets them off I guess , stay classy Drive Chub.

[SwiftArsonist]

not only gaming media is showing an immense amount of unprofessionalism with biased articles towards companies but the vast majority of gamers are to blame for letting this irresponsible journalist dictate what we should play, what consoles we buy by throwing gas at the console wars with resolution and frame debates etc etc.

like i said, gamers first and foremost are the ones to blame.

[beereal360]

What a joke

[XanderZane]

Forza Horizon 2 is superb. We really don't know what Drive Club has to offer yet. I gave Horizon 2 a 9 score. Only issues I've had with it was some online play and loading some livery for some vehicles. Was very slow probably because they servers were getting hammered by gamers. M$ needs to open up a view more server to relieve some of the traffic. Other then that, the gameplay and content was excellent. Will give DC a go on Oct 7th.