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PlayStation has Twice the Number of Indie Developers Than Xbox

Last week, the ID@Xbox blog released a post regarding their indie games shown at Xbox’s Gamescom conference. An interesting piece of information they revealed was that there are currently more than 500 indie devs building games for Xbox One – the last known number of indie developers on the PlayStation 4 is over 1000.

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migh_and_highty3678d ago

Great work from both teams, I just wish every fudging indie game didn't have to come with a timed exclusivity. I mean, I think Guacamelee: STCE is the only indie game that hasnt exclusivley released on ps4/xbone.

Anyway, I'm most excited for No Mans Sky. Looks amazing.

Servbot3678d ago

Indie development teams are usually very small and only have the resources to develop for one platform at a time.

denawayne3678d ago

And Microsoft has twice the amount of money than Sony

chrismichaels043678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

It's great to see Sony and Microsoft giving so much strong support to indie studios. As much as some Xbox fans used to love bragging about XBL indie arcades last gen on the 360...it's disappointing and very sad to see those same xbox fans now bashing indie games this gen, simply because more of them are on PS4.

Even Phil Spencer admitted they needed to build stronger indie support and I'm glad to see Xbox working hard to regain the trust of indie studios. I guarantee if one day Xbox reaches as much indie support as PS4, all the indie bashing from the Xbox community will stop. Then everyone can just go back to enjoying good games.

redwin3678d ago

I wouldn't brag about having so many indie games being developed this early, I'm actually glad that MS won't flod the systems with all those indie games. There is a point that it is better being selective .

Deividas3678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

@redwin

And exactly what is the downfall of having a lot of different kind of games on a platform exactly?...You do realize no one is forced in buying any of these games, but I sure as hell like having that option...and a lot of choices, especially this early on in a new gen is a great thing.

Literally bashing a gaming console for having too many games....its a new low.

Why o why3678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

Only a utter plum would laud the money they never touch. The type that's ok to have a 3+ year drought on games as long as the console maker who's meant to be providing those games rakes it in. . What sheep. This gen is going to be hard for those guys. .

migh_and_highty3678d ago

Yeah I get that, and its fine if the smaller teams do release on one console at a time, but it seems like every indie almost has to make a timed exclusive deal with MS or Sony

redwin3678d ago

@deividas, I rather have a selected 200 indie than all 1000 of them. I guess you rather have the 1000 indie because of the lack of AAA this December. not like there is anything wrong with that, ho, btw, destiny looks great but if you have both systems like I do it would be safer getting it for MS because sony,s online infrastructure is very vulnerable

Deividas3678d ago

@Redwin

Haha your numbers are just absolutely absurd. Clearly there are just a selected number of indies but just a lot more than MS has, and thats not even at all a problem. And I do have both consoles actually, and i really do wish there were more indies and smaller games on Xbox One cause then i would be using it more. Cause right now its being used for me to watch Twitch while i play my PS4.

And you do realize that a DDOS attack can happen to anyone...Their Online infrastructure is fine.

redwin3677d ago (Edited 3677d ago )

@deividas, they did attack MS, didn't you notice?. At least you are getting some use out of your system. I just have TLOU and assassin's creed for my ps4. I guess it's a matter of preference, you have both and you are making correct choices then, my apologies. Btw, Bloodbourne looks great, I'm incline to get that instead of 1886 (I think that's the tittle). What do you think?

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jukins3678d ago

They really have no choice as the above poster said. The console, while similar, are different enough to cause top many issues with a small team leading to sloppy programming or just super long dev times which definitely doesn't benefit indie devs or any dev for that matter.

LAWSON723678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

To be fair a lot of indie devs only got so many resources.

Rockefellow3678d ago

It's not like Guacamelee is a fair comparison anyway, what with the original version being PlayStation exclusive for quite a while. This is just playing catch-up.

700p3678d ago

Its funny how people are acting like indies matter. They dont. Most indies are crap. lmao

reko3678d ago

@720p aka 700

Give me games, oh wait don't have any lol

DefenderOfDoom23678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

Well, 2 of my friends, ran out and bought a PS4 last week, just to play the new MADDEN 15 . Truth is, whether you like it or not , 2K NBA 15 , NHL15 , MADDEN 15 and FIFA 15 will sell more 8th gen consoles than all the indie games on the PS4 and XBOX1 combined ! But, i am excited to play some of these indie games , when i buy my 8th gen console !

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Lenrulesdaworld3678d ago

This isn't new news but ok, lets go with it. Congrats sony & microsoft for making indies have a second home & for some a 1st home on consoles. Big shout to sony for opening up public housing for another 500 indies or more.

No get more cops/cyber security on the street.

BigShotSmoov0073678d ago

I think we all know that already. MS just started to really rollout indie games so we can figure out that Sony has more right now. How is this even news?

Death3678d ago

Microsoft welcomed indie devs on the 360 with XNA and Indie market place on Live. It's not new to the PS4 or Xbox One.

I'm not a huge fan of indies on game consoles. On my phone, I don't mind and enjoy them. On a console they don't use the available resources and for the most part are shovelware to make a quick buck. I don't get the point of promoting homebrew games like this. If anything the lower restrictions are being exploited by devs to maximize profits while going backwards with game development instead of moving forward.

I'm amazed at how many have jumped on the homebrew grass roots movement claiming this to take gaming forward. It's a huge step back and only being done because it offers a much lower risk than proper console game development.

Why o why3678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

Nah death....think of it as trees branches growing... not all will bare fruit but you get more chances with every additional branch.

Todays indie could potentially be tomorrows big dev houses. If its easier to get into the industry through a less risky path then more may try their hand. If the efforts are sub standard then they wont sell and in theory, trying again wont be as expensive. Too many gem games are indie for the 'taking the industry backwards' card to be thrown down. Live and let live I say. Some people are almost downplaying their worth because of sonys stance this gen. Madness

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Convas3678d ago

It was something like 4 times the amount of developers on PlayStation than on Xbox the last time we had these figures so things are improving at a steady pace I'd say.

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Microsoft Reportedly Spends $1 Billion Annually To Get Third-Party Games On Game Pass

Uncover the spending behind Xbox's Game Pass subscription. Discover how Microsoft invests a billion dollars annually in securing third-party games for the service.

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Obscure_Observer6h ago

Good.

Now that you´re releasing games and making big money from every gaming platform, you should double that amount and give us even more day one third party games!

Jin_Sakai5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

You’re delusional beyond belief. Businesses wise it doesn’t make sense and sooner or later they’ll be raising prices again to cover that billion they’re blowing every year.

purple1015h ago(Edited 5h ago)

As someone else said earlier today, they are past the growth stage, it’s been stagnent for last 3 years, they are now in the money making stage, prepare to be goosed for as many dollars as possible for the least amount of content. It may not be bad now, (actually it is) but it will be soon (even worse) this year you got hellblade and starfirld and a load of other games that could be bought in bargain bins for about $5-30 and for that you pay them monthly

To add I honestly don’t know how you put up with the barrage of Xbox negativity (which is deserved). I put it down to:

A) you are being paid
B) you may have a problem thinking clearly
C) prefer rooting for the underdog, that’s a legit thing too. English people do it by default

Profchaos39m ago(Edited 39m ago)

Yeah Aussies also love an underdog as long as that underdog isn't Xbox as they were too of the game with the 360 then lost their minds

Chevalier19m ago

3 straight years of missing Gamepass targets. Some people are just blinded by their own idiocy. Will be interesting to see if COD does anything this fall

CosmicTurtle2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

He is a troll. Designed to stoke people up on here. We know this.

It’s quite funny.

Sonic18811h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Are you insane? You want them to double the amount when the Xbox is already struggling and losing money 🤔

Hofstaderman41m ago

Correction....XBOX is already dead.

fr0sty1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

They'll do that, after creating 4 more higher-priced tiers and making the one that currently includes everything only contain games that have been on the market for 4 years.

"Gamepass Ultra to the MAX: Now only $299 per year!"

Profchaos40m ago(Edited 40m ago)

They are trying to get a return on abk and Bethesda they won't double day one we're lucky we are still getting them now that day one has been removed from base tiers

They want to make money not give it away

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MrDead6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

I like how they twist cannibalising game sales into "invests".

No lifetime sales with MS, they'll F-up gaming the same as streaming services have done to the movie industry and it's workforce.

Fishy Fingers3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Out of interest do you think those 3rd parties signing the deal are unhappy with the severence and have a gun to their head?

Bro probably has a PS+ sub and has library full of Epic launcher free games.

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CrimsonGuardVII2h ago

@badz148 its not, it just straight lied.

gold_drake1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

we know this, we have known this since last year.

this is not new or news.

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Report: Microsoft Cutting 650 More Jobs From Gaming Division Per Phil Spencer's Letter to Employees

Phil Spencer has sent a letter out to employees informing them that 650 jobs would be cut from Microsoft's gaming division.

VenomUK8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

‘Good guy Phil’?

The truth likely is that the decision was not his to make and is possibly a direct consequence of cutting costs following the ABK deal.

DodoDojo8d ago

Would be nice if he'd mail one of those letters to himself.

RhinoGamer888d ago

Cut costs -> no bonus, stock options, raises for Phil and his leadership team.

Lightning778d ago

"Good guy Phil" is comical. You have to bleed green to see that. I'm only a matter of time until MS, that's right MS even in ages themselves from the industry.

Sad, people and even sadder and pathetic company.

fr0sty8d ago

If they keep this up, they won't even be able to go third party anymore after they stop making Xbox hardware.

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bionicstar8d ago

game devs aren't being let go.

“As part of aligning our post-acquisition team structure and managing our business, we have made the decision to eliminate approximately 650 roles across Microsoft Gaming—mostly corporate and supporting functions—to organize our business for long term success.”

darthv728d ago

getting rid of some suits... now this news isnt so bad. Too many suits makes all the wrong decisions, esp the top dogs.

Michiel19898d ago

@darth they arent suits, they are people that work in administration, customer support and that kinda stuff

ZacultronTheFirst8d ago

Probably people from much needed Marketing department.

Nacho_Z8d ago

It doesn't make it any better if they aren't devs being fired.

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Petebloodyonion8d ago

The original story is from IGN as they are the ones who got the memo.
https://www.ign.com/article...

Still sucks!

badboyz098d ago

The day we hear that Xbox is no more is vastly approaching.

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Obscure_Observer8d ago

"The day we hear that Xbox is no more is vastly approaching."

Not sure Sony is doing any better with all that money lost on GaaS and all that worldwide backlash regarding the Pro.

1Victor8d ago

@obscured: “ Not sure Sony is doing any better with all that money lost on GaaS and all that worldwide backlash regarding the Pro.”
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Welcome back we missed you said no one 🤣

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I don’t remember Sony cutting over 1900 employees then Less than 7 months later get a leak for another 600 to be on the chopping board but hey let’s equate that to a few people not been happy about a mid gen system refresh price 🤦🏿.

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1Victor8d ago

@obscured: “
They also casually forget that Sony have been laying off thousands of people too”
Yeeesh I got a better help discount code for you

BehindTheRows8d ago

Uh, thr Pro "backlash" is hardly something that's going to tank their business. Unless you've been living under a rock, there's no question that Xbox is in the gutter.

Quit pivoting to Sony because you don't like the subject matter. Their game division isn't in the toilet.

DodoDojo8d ago

Well Sony isn't selling more copies of their games on a rival system yet so they must be doing alright.

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Mr_cheese7d ago

@obscure

Saves some straws for the rest of us will you

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343_Guilty_Spark7d ago

Vastly approaching is a weird phrase… vastly is typically used to convey the degree of some size or length or time.

Vastly approaching makes no sense.

You mean rapidly approaching.

MrDead8d ago

A combined $80 billion spent on consolidating a massive part of the industry, thousands fired all to line the pockets of the already wealthy and turn the gaming industry into a rental service.

FU MS.

crazyCoconuts8d ago

MS is a publicly traded company. If you have a 401K you yourself might own MS stocks.
I'm definitely not a MS fan, but CEOs need to keep returns high to keep their jobs if nothing else. They don't get to transfer the salaries to their accounts.
I blame MS for failed strategies, poor execution, lack of vision, etc.
These layoffs are just the result of those things.

MrDead8d ago

That's the weakest excuse for a giant monopoly I've ever seen... also companies like MS are more likely to damage people's 401k through monopolistic practices.

Obscure_Observer8d ago

"FU MS."

I love how you act all enraged and bully when it´s MS firing people.

"It´s all about the workers" at least they´re Sony´s employees, right? If they´re Sony they can go f* themselves right? It´s all justified and the blame lies elsewhere on some widespread industry problem, right? Right?

We been seeing some of Sony recent bs moves and you know what´s coming, right?

I´m expecting you to disappear the same way you do every time Sony layoff hundreds of people or get a whole studio shut down.

You´ll do anything to avoid and hold them accountable. But that's OK. You´are not biased, right?

1Victor8d ago

@obscured: “ "It´s all about the workers" at least they´re Sony´s employees, right? If they´re Sony they can go f* themselves right? It´s all justified and the blame lies elsewhere on some widespread industry problem, right? Right?”

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Well Sony didn’t overreached and spend over 80 BILLION$ to acquire mayor 3rd party game developers and one MAYOR publisher the owner of the BIGGEST FPS just hoping to keeping it exclusive to their system and now having to fire thousands of employees to valance their books one more quarter.
Now Microsoft is beginning and going to kiss Sony dark ring and publish their “first party games “ on PlayStation. Regardless of who it is it’s wrong to do an acquisition and then fire people.
I applaud Microsoft for at least giving them a severance package and assistance getting a new job 👍👍.

MrDead8d ago

Chill out kid... also why bring up Sony, have they just spent 80 billion to consolidate a massive part of the industry to the detriment of thousands of workers?

MS lines their pockets whilst firing thousands, such a shame you support this.

Chevalier8d ago

Gee someone here said Xbox would NEVER release 1st party games on Playstation or competing platforms again?! Never tired to see you eat crow again.

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OlderGamer177d ago

But but Sony bad...thats the normal damagecontroll from O_O. Dude its time to sing another song, this one is sounding like a broken record......

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LG_Fox_Brazil8d ago

Not sure about the rest of the world, but here in Brazil we have a say that goes like this:

'May the last one to leave please turn off the lights'

What the heck is MS even doing right now?

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Something Feels Off About Indiana Jones and the Great Circle

Shaz from GL: “Amidst recent concerns surrounding Xbox, Phil and Co. need a win. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Indiana Jones and the Great Circle will be it.”

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TwoPicklesGood13d ago

Looks good to me and I’m glad it’s coming to ps5

VenomUK11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

When it comes to video game previews I’m of the opinion that journalists should maintain a position of CAUTIOUS OPTIMISM. Yes, note and share concerns about the game with readers but maintain a restrained optimistic stance until actually having reviewed it so that any negativity is based on the game’s quality and not the author’s prejudices.

Here the author writes “ I’m going to continue to keep my cynicisms intact, less so because of my trust in MachineGames and more so due to the dumpster fire that continues to be modern-day Xbox.” This example illustrates the need to follow this guidance.

DefenderOfDoom212d ago

Not worried about facial animations , but I do hope the gameplay is fun . Most definitely I will purchase this on PS5, if the gameplay is fun .

BaughJaughs12d ago

nice hit piece. I notice the writer didn't mention any of the journalists / creators who had good things to say. From what i hear, it has riddick: escape from butcher bay in its DNA. To me that sounds like something to be Optimistic about rather than pessimistic.

ChasterMies12d ago

It’s odd to have a first person perspective for an adventure game with stealth and brawling. But’s not without precedent. Wolfenstein: New Order and Wolfenstein: New Colossus had a lot of adventure game elements. They were in the league of the greatest games ever, but they were both fun games. Indy looks fun too.

YourMommySpoils12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Yes, Indy looks like Todd Howard. Something feels way too off.

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