Xbox One sales still lagging behind PS4 despite price cut

Despite ditching Kinect and having been on the receiving end of a sizeable price cut, Microsoft’s Xbox One console continues to be outsold by Sony’s rival PS4, a leading retailer has suggested.

[Ezz2013]

it never been about the price
it's about what gamers want to play on

it's every one choice

[Godmars290]

No. It was about how customers wanted to be treated. The amount of trust and faith being asked by a company that hasn't shown much. Just expect it.

[PONTIAC08G8GT]

Please stop your cries. Stop singing the same song. It's been over a year ago that they announced DRM and the price. Get over it already. They changed everything because people like you cried about DRM. Now besides hardware specs, two systems that do the same thing.

How customers want to be treated? Explain to me how they mistreated customers. This argument is older then Jesus. I guess you feel Sony loves you and cares only about you and the gamers, not profits. Thats why you pay now to play multiplayer right? They love you so much they want to charge you for it. And they loved you when the PS3 released and they charged what, $600? Yea, they love you alright...your wallet, just like every company.

[thenickel]

MS made mistakes that seem to have really affected them. Truth be told now they're on the right track and people especially in the states will eventually catch on. All of this they did us so wrong is really reaching. I guess the fear of any 1 sided gamer would be allowing its imaginary competition to build up any type of momentum. It's going to come down to games, pricing, and features for all 3 consoles. Something tells me MS is finally listening and set to prove a point. Unfortuantely for them Sony isn't playing either nor Nintendo. Good times ahead folks.

[BitbyDeath]

@Pont, you may have missed it but MS tried to take advantage of gamers for their own personal gain. It is not something you should simply forgive them for. They intentionally tried to destroy gaming, and are now paying for it.

[Fearmonkey]

@PONT - As a long time Xbox and 360 gamer who couldn't stand Sony for many years, I bought a PS4 because Sony changed for the better and MS changed for the worst.

How they mistreated customers? - While they didnt technically mistreat anyone, they sure didn't care about their loyal customers when they hid their intentions regarding an always online console and DRM. They let Adam Orth get crucified for his statements regarding always online, and later tried to go with it, even though their own execs were saying one thing while MS said another (Phil Harrison about the 24 hour limit)

[MysticStrummer]

@Pontiac - If you found out that Hannibal Lecter had been planning to eat your liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti, but changed his mind, would you then accept an invitation to hang out with him?

"How customers want to be treated? Explain to me how they mistreated customers. This argument is older then Jesus. I guess you feel Sony loves you and cares only about you and the gamers, not profits."

One company gives a better illusion of caring about customers than the other. One company saw the negative feedback about certain rumored policies and made sure people knew that they weren't incorporating those policies, while the other company saw that negative feedback and went ahead with those policies anyway.

"Thats why you pay now to play multiplayer right?"

Sony saw that a large percentage of gamers didn't mind paying for what they were giving away, so now they charge for it. Thanks for that, 360 gamers!

[Boody-Bandit]

@MysticStrummer

Don't lie. Is this

"If you found out that Hannibal Lecter had been planning to eat your liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti, but changed his mind, would you then accept an invitation to hang out with him?"

yours, a copy and paste or a MysticStrummer original?

Either way
+well said

@thenickel
Look who dusted off his (probably one of many) account, thenickel. Wow, what's up nickel? Been a long time. Or has it? ;)

On topic:
I don't see things turning around for MS any time soon. I believe they have a consumer confidence problem that is a detracting factor for MS more so than system selling games or pricing alone.

They could try another price cut but Sony is probably in a position now that they can match it.

The only game they have coming out that could possibly give them a boost, at least in the NA and maybe Europe, is Halo Collection. Than again the same thing was said about TitanFall and the $399 SKU without Kinect.

This upcoming holiday season will be most telling.

[Godmars290]

Rather amazing how many people seem to think that the DRM issue neither had nothing to do with the XB1's problems, or that price was the only thing wrong.

Pontiac, yes, I bought a PS3 at $600. I wanted the BR player, a media device for streaming, and most standalone players at the time where well over twice the price. And it played all PS1/PS2/PS3 games. That was my thinking at the time.

With the XB1, MS wanted your money, wanted an initial large down payment, then wanted subscription fees just for the console to work as advertised. In addition they then set conditions in which you used it, where by all counts trying to establish how and many people used it, then manage how games, additional bought product, was bought sold and shared. Explained it badly, kept on explaining it badly, while either dismissing or outright ignoring rather common sense questions with what they planned to do. So unsurprisingly based on that people didn't want to buy their product and their plans fell apart.

With XBL whether or not you bought an Xbox 360 for gaming which it supposedly paid for, you had to have a paid gold account to actually to anything. That's only changed recently in the wake of the console's launch.

With PSN, it was just a bonus, straightforward feature which game you online access like any other online related device. Later PS+ gave sale discounts and "free" games. With the announcement of the PS4 this has changed under the likewise excuse of supporting online gaming, with MMOs as an often additional paid service an exception.

So in closing, no. Neither MS nor Sony "loves" gamers or consumers. There are however obvious differences in how they treat the people who's money they're after. If you only care to look.

[thenickel]

Well if it isn't good old Brutal calling me out for whatever reason! I've been around here and there reading comments but just kind of lost that gamer feeling. Anyways now trying to get it back and come in as neutral as possible. So for the record I'm not here to fight or brag about who does what better or worst. I simply read comments and voice my opinion nothing more. Honestly I don't expect to be here long because I know opinions like the ones I have upset loyal gamers and the guys ;) up top. For the record I've always loved Sony but preferred MS a little more.

OT: This holiday and so on I'm willing to bet things change drastically for X1. If MS can keep going the direction they're going maybe just maybe they will gain some much needed momentum.

Everybody knows the DRM stuff hurt MS and because of it (along with pricing) the outcome was inevitable. Now MS is on the right track so we will see if the games coming have a huge impact or not that simple.

[Why o why]

Nobody said anything about love pontiac. Stop deflecting. Ask the people who owned 360s that now own ps4s if they feel they were mistreated. Obviously you believe nobody could possibly feel that way. It's obviously not the price anymore and nobody can say its the lack of games so maybe you should look further back to the last third of last gen when ms done the absolute minimum even though I've heard many brag how limitless their wealth is. You would of thought they would of thrown some of that infinite cash on competing with the bankrupt sony. They chose not to and that didn't sit well with many.

Truth is, theres a plethora of reasons the x1 is lagging behind the ps4 not just one. They've made strides to fix the fixable but they'll never be able to fix the hardware...... not to say its broken but its not as developer friendly as its competition or its predecessor.

Sony learnt from their arrogance, ms is paying for theirs.

Btw if 'people like us' just accepted the fudge packing and ms continued with their drm plans, their console would of truly been dead on arrival. Just look at the impact the intended plans have had. Trust me, ms was smart not to listen to the drm defence force. They listened to pre orders or lack of.

[Ihatetrolls76]

You should do some research on how shady sony is you would crap

[FallenDesigns]

Honestly i think im one of the few gamers that actually likes DRM well not the part where i cant trade my games the part where everything is digital and i dont have to change Discs. Steam has been doing it for a while and i love it cause DRM allows them to give really good deals.

The point is DRM isn't shady or something completely unacceptable in my opinion, also its nothing new either it been around for a while.

For me all that matters is the games and experiences it has to offer, the slight lower resolutions don't really bother me that much. If i really wanted the best graphics i would just use my computer and honestly for me graphics resolution as long as its over 720p doesn't bother me.

So what i would say to anyone looking to buy a console go buy the one with the games you would want to play and enjoy.

Also I'd that like to add that i believe Sony and Microsoft are all in it for the money. There is no better company in my eyes it's just business.

Well this is all my beliefs and opinions i hope you guys can respect it as i respect your opinions and beliefs.

[AndrewLB]

I find it hilarious that the usual suspects keep repeating the absolute lie that Microsoft "tried to take advantage of customers for gain" via the DRM they announced at E3. The fact alone that they dropped the idea when people voiced opposition should be applauded. Those who have not done so clearly have an agenda that is anti-Xbox and are not objective people.

Then when you factor in how Sony HAS ADMITTED that they had planned THE EXACT SAME type of DRM for the PS4, and after watching Microsoft get annihilated by the gaming press did they quietly remove the DRM in the day 1 patch.

Andrew House Said:

" Dating from about our February event, there had been questions about what our online policy would be. And I have to say that we were slightly perplexed, because we had no intention of changing from a model that I think has served us really well for several platform life-cycles. And then, of course, it was really the actions of others, and the reaction coming from consumers, which led to more speculation. So we felt that with E3, and Monday night’s press conference, it was a really good opportunity to set the record straight. But there weren’t any changes that we’d been considering.

What you saw coming from gamers is not just, in my view, the views of the vocal minority. It became an expression of a little bit of concern bubbling up around the subject of what ownership means in an age of digital content overall. We and other entertainment industry players need to be very conscious of that and very careful. Bringing it back to the fundamentals again, we need to be fair and to think of the consumer experience first."

And here, more: http://ps4daily.com/2013/06...

[Godmars290]

@AndrewLB:
I find it sad that XB1 defenders can't accept that the console isn't selling well, because the console isn't selling well.

MS made some mistakes, damaged their rep and the Xbox brand, and have yet to recover. Expect only that all should be forgiven, that it should happen over night, and that all of the "hater talk" is keeping it from happening.

Meanwhile the same people complaining/defending about this incident only badmouthed the PS3.

Hell. Would say give it a rest but what's the point of that?

[Christopher]

***Then when you factor in how Sony HAS ADMITTED that they had planned THE EXACT SAME type of DRM for the PS4***

This is not true. The only people who think this are true are people who keep listening to that MisterX site and similar people who just want to believe it to be true.

Again, this is not true.

What Sony said is that any DRM would be left up to the Publishers and that they, Sony, would not be using any DRM policies themselves. They even went so far as to say that Online Passes would be going away as well.

[SilentNegotiator]

Besides that:

1) The Ps3 delivered better/more content for the last 3 years of the 7th gen, so there were more excited fans on the PS side of things.

2) Ps4 was cheaper, and now has the ball rolling while Xbone is still trying to regain momentum (And they haven't yet...selling double of the sales of May in June when there was such a dropoff in May - thanks to their announcement of the Kinectless bone a month ahead of time, probably intentionally so that they could have the "massive surge" and also pretend like it was due to their E3 showing - isn't impressive).

3) It's got more of something that early adapters and developers are excited about. hint: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0...

4) Better multiplats.

[madpuppy]

Don't listen to a word of what PONTIAC08G8GT says.

MS is a repeat offender when it comes to screwing over it's customers. The only reason that all that DRM and online verification didn't fly is because we fought and Sony/Nintendo didn't play ball.

what they were trying to do was so wrong, so against consumer ownership rights, only someone like Bobby Kotick would get wet dreams over it.

I say...NEVER FORGET....because maybe next time the bad guys may win. and that is something the consumer as well as the gamer cannot afford.

[Mr_Writer85]

@Andrew

Can you not read?

"" Dating from about our February event, there had been questions about what our online policy would be. And I have to say that we were slightly perplexed, because we had no intention of changing from a model that I think has served us really well for several platform life-cycles."

I don't remember the Ps1/2 or 3 having anything like the DRM that MS was planning.

"And then, of course, it was really the actions of others, and the reaction coming from consumers, which led to more speculation."

Here he is saying its because MS plans were made public that people assumed Sony was going the same way. In fact remember pre E3? There where tons of articles saying Sony planned to have the same policy's.

"So we felt that with E3, and Monday night’s press conference, it was a really good opportunity to set the record straight. But there weren’t any changes that we’d been considering. "

So he says there where NO CHANGES.

How you got Sony planning the same as MS and then changed their mind from any of that I have no idea. You either can't read English very well, or have a learning difficultly.

Either way that's no excuse for making stuff up.

[rainslacker]

@Andrew

How can you say Sony definitely had planned the same kind of DRM and then use a quote from a top Sony exec which completely contradicts what you say was definitely going to be there?

Andrew House said they hadn't planned on changing anything when it comes to the distribution of games on it's systems. They were going to do the same thing they had been doing for the past 3 gens...which is leaving retail alone.

[UltraNova]

1. More diverse library of games
2. More quality Indie games
3. Cheaper Online
4. Better free games
5. Better multiplatform games
6. Better exclusives
7. More exclusives
8. Morpheus
9. Better/stronger hardware and more bang for your buck compared to the competition.
10. Sony's proven support track record to the last minute and beyond each generation with AAA releases.
11. No anti-consumer moves desperately trying to shake off off their backs.

"Xbox one sales still lagging behind ps4 despite price cut"

^^^Yeah...

[Hardcore_gamerxbox]

Like Sony did last generation and people still bought ps3 btw it is about price too ps3 start selling really good when it had price cuts and I'm sure Xbox one would have sell a lot more if xbox one without kinect was $350

[Sevir]

@AndrewLB... Dude your reading comprehension skills are that of a new born puppy. What you posted was in no way shape or form a confession or admittance of Sony ever considering going about MS's way of business... Andrew House clearly states that as far back as February even before MS's reveal that there were questions and speculation from the media that Sony would in some way go the way of DRM, and he said their was no change to their plan as EVEN in the PS4 reveal It was mentioned that You will play and own your games the same way you did on PS3/PS2/PS1 Mark Cerny and Shu said this. House continued in that same quote you posted saying it was perplexing to him and everyone who designed the PS4 that these questions and allegations were being brought to them when they never made a mention or even designed the platform to work the way they MS was reportedly designing the unannounced XBO. They used E3 to clear the are and address concerns... They were never planning on implementing anything DRM related, what they did, was see the negative feedback back and used the opportunity to completely distance themselves from MS. And this has been said from time and time again from Shu, Andrew, and Mark.

You can go watch the PS4 reveal. The first 30 minutes of the presenation Mark Cerny states that you'll enjoy your games in the same manner as you did on PS3, disc and digital.

You posting that post actually defeats your argument and completely shows you don't know how to comprehend a thing!

[Kidmyst]

I canceled my Xbone pre-order shortly before launch because I wasn't comfortable supporting MS tactics. If they had not received a backlash, all those features would be in the console, if the Xbone was strong and outselling the PS4, MSFT would bring them back. This is good for gamers because it sends a message to the Industry what we support in terms of policies.

[Visiblemarc]

@Pontiac

I love how some people keep saying to forget about what Microsoft did 1 year ago, as though it's ancient history. Then in the same breath they remind you of what Sony did 8 years ago.

[Lord-Nicon]

Its hard to notice sales in one month, i would give like a year, Christmas and those season are better to measure sales number.

[Mikeyy]

Once again moving the goal posts. .

[darthv72]

Price has its influence just as much as appeal of the software. When the PS1 launched at $100 less than the Sega Saturn...you bet that price was the key factor.

Sega had a large following at the time. Their brand was popular but it was the cheaper point of entry into the up and coming age of 3D gaming that made all the difference.

Sony didnt have all the studios they have now. They relied heavily on 3rd parties and made the appropriate deals to get developer support for their new platform.

i remember that time very well. there was a high level of resentment from the nintendo and sega fans about this new company entering into the fray. Sony had to work their ass off to generate appeal for their brand. they had allot to prove and have done so with great success.

MS made the wrong move this time around by thinking their price point was the better value. Granted they did launch with a more diverse library but the bad press and word of mouth and especially the price is what hurt them. no matter how many great games get released for the platform, there will be that resentment from some gamers about how MS charged more for a lesser system than sony.

the XB1 is very much in the Saturn's place right now. But the difference between MS and Sega is MS will do what it has to in order to right the wrongs and keep the system alive. Sega had many chances to do the same but the decision makers in JP felt the US was a lost market and so we never got the great capcom games or sega exclusives in the West like JP and even EU did.

[Clogmaster]

Saturn had a sick 2D processor though! They got murdered by Playstation still.

They both launched at crazy high prices given inflation.

[Pogmathoin]

Next article, day follows night..... Jeez can there be any decent articles anymore? Its just like Jerry Springer now here.... Why is there a rush to get this crap? Lets actually talk about games and the fun it brings us.

[Funantic1]

The sales wouldn't just go up so suddenly. We're still seeing new signs of the X1 improving in sales tho. Give it time.

[kenshiro100]

Give it time?!

If Titanfall didn't work, neither will the price cut.

[CJDUNCAN]

I guess they expected the X1 to pull even in a month? -__- Some of these articles are getting ridiculous.

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

SMH

What month do you want...? How about the one where MS met Sony's price and still they didn't gain any ground. Not any. July will be the same. Sony keeps going up. And I'm not talking WW, I'm talking US. WTF happened?

Could it be that XB360 users were in general unsatisfied with their systems that past few years, and returned their loyalty to Sony for Uncharted, inFamous, Blood Borne, Order, etc....! Maybe...I'll wait till Master Chief shows up. But MS f'd up...!

[XStation]

@Sheikh Yerbouti

November

[CJDUNCAN]

how can you make such an assumption that 360 owners were tired of their console and decided to jump ship to sony. 360 was the lead platform last year although the ps3 touted more power and in the end IMO had the better exclusives.

The PS4 was the cheapest of this gen consoles, also has more power, so that's more bang for your buck right out the box.

We can check sales numbers every month until the end of the generation, I highly doubt the Xbox One will ever catch the PS4 in sales, the gap is too significant.

But both consoles are pushing the pace beyond their predecessors so it's a win win for gaming itself.

Articles like this just creates more bragging rights for people that aren't even making money off of their consoles. What are you bragging for it's not like you're profiting off the sales. (Not you personally Sheikh, but in general)

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

I don't care personally, but it is a big turnaround that makes one take notice. Where did MS screw up?

To insinuate that they can catch up when they still fall behind after Titanfall and a price drop is delusional. Halo is the only option left, which is dubious with non-ports of COD and Destiny around at the same time.

[glenn1979]

when they unveil the xbox1 in the first E3 they make a deadly mistake in Don Matric ,they P.R. suck so much that it was dead on arrival they gamble big on Kinect and it failing so far I think if MS did make the XBOX 1 the same price wit the PS4 the competition would closer, but its still early in the console cycle ,but so far the PS4 is on top

[assdan]

I thought it would make a bigger difference than it did. It slightly increased sale for a couple weeks and that's about it.

[stripe814]

i guess sometimes its not a personal choice..coz we know some gamers are teenagers and under..parents who bought them xbox360 before will think their son/daughter would want a XB1 and give it as a gift..

[I_AM_ CANADIAN_1989]

Yeah it's a fact that MS cannot compete with Sony when it comes to a games console especially without a year head start. We Sony fans told you last gen that 360 only leaded against ps3 because of the year headstart for a reason. Ms lagging behind in sales isn't all that surprising because when it comes to gaming ms is minor league and Sony is major league.

[kenshiro100]

I find it funny that the usual suspects keep defending Microsoft for something they should have never introduced in the first place.

It was never about the price. You don't toy with your customers and expect them to keep buying your products.

[user7402931]

I have good reasons why.

1. Playstation has a powerful following of fans globally, they know there going to get the best of the best, word of mouth is powerful, and when multi platform games perform better on ps4 it gets out very fast. The internet provides unlimited options for casual/hardcore gamers to educate themselves on stats, and if more "casual" players do not get information about multi platform games performing better on the internet, then word of mouth will prevail.

2. Microsoft genuinely screwed up there entire launch in a manner that was publicly brought to the attention to not only hardcore gamers, but casual gamers as well. A lot of folks see first impressions as most important, and in fact they are.

3. Playstation holds more tradition and more popularity across the globe as a gaming brand. As generations grow larger and larger so does the influence of what console to choose from. Its the staple in console gaming.

4. The playstation 3 left a great impression on gamers with the amazing exclusives that were and (still are actually) being released. Gamers were incredibly surprised with "the last of us" launching even before the ps4! it left a great taste in the mouth of gamers who were ready to transition from wii/360/ps3 ext to buy a playstation 4.

[thenickel]

Word of mouth is everything and right now Sony has much more positive wording than MS. Other than that everything comes down to games, pricing, opinion and loyalty. You think Sony is the greatest thing for gamers as I feel the same way about MS which in this case doesn't make either of us right or wrong. We need competition amongst companies not kiddie fighting amongst grown fools.

[sovkhan]

@thenickel

But much more people believe Sony is best for gamers than The other way around hence the 2/1 ratio!!!

[thenickel]

True and I agree (sovkhan) especially when you look at numbers but it's still far to early to pretend to know what people want now and 2 years from now. I'm sure many people feel the exact opposite of those people and in time we will know just how much. Also just because some people think Sony or even MS is better for gamers doesn't mean that its the truth. Strictly opinion nothing more!

[hardcorehippiez]

most important part of your comment and is so true in life. you dont get a second chance on first impressions. they f....d up in that regard and they stay behind because of it .

[NerdStalker]

This is because people know whith ms they will get shafted, with playstation it's about the gamers.

[zsquaresoff]

Xbone fans thinking logic.

System updates > getting new games.

Ps4 might not have the updates, but we sure as hell have the games.

[turdburgler1080]

Hey it wasn't Xbox one owners who just threw a massive hissy fit and had temper tantrums all over n4g, neogaf, and Twitter cause they didn't get 3d bluray support first.

[Letthewookiewin]

Ya the PS4 has no games retort is illogical. I already have a backlog.

[mrpsychoticstalker]

Mediocre news. That's what it is.

[XiSasukeUchiha]

PS has an good conviction on thier backs like the Third Hokage:Hiruzen!

If you don't understand type in Naruto.wikia.com and search up the Third Hokage alright:)

[Ezz2013]

aaaaaaaaand i'm back to not understand a word you type again

i still love you though

EDIT:
****If you don't understand type in Naruto.wikia.com and search up the Third Hokage alright:)****

http://gifshost.com/072010/...

[OP_Tigrex]

I'm glad you came back. Do you still want to be Hokage?

[Qrphe]

Is Uchiha Madara the strongest character ever?
And I’m not talking about Edo Tensei Madara. I’m talking about Rinne Tensei Madara Uchiha with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan and with rikidou techniques, his Gunbai, a Perfect Susano’o and control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA implanted in him so he also has mokuton kekkei genkai and yin-yang release ninjutsu.

[Lannister]

WTF !?!? 0_o

[Rock-Lee]

no sorry, strongest character ever is of course Guy Sensei :)

[OP_Tigrex]

I've read a large portion of the manga today, from the point where Sasuke made his decision to join the battlefield, to the point Madara is "reborn".. tbh it's getting out of hand. They're really trying to draw Madara out..and i thought Obito was bad...

[Rock-Lee]

It's pretty obvious. Sony knows how to perform Kage Bunshin No Jutsu, this way they can multiply their sales easily.

[MegaRay]

and XBOX is the second hokage...

[SaffronCurse]

The 4th Hokage should be the Ps4.

[SaffronCurse]

It's all about Pain

[Eonjay]

All that we know for sure is that it wasn't the price that drove people to the PS4.

[SilentNegotiator]

Besides Xbone losing to Ps4 at the same price in June, there was always the Wii U if people cared so much about the price.

[ShowanW]

The price cut has only been in effect for 45days or so...

So sales are suppose to just jack up that much in such short span...

And it's summer drought time...No one really bothers this time of year...

[CaptainObvious878]

"So sales are suppose to just jack up that much in such short span..."

That's exactly what they are suppose to do.

When a price cut is executed there is a quick, sharp spike in sales, but then the numbers quickly tapper off.

So if they sold that much in june it's only going to be less in july unless there's some amazing new release to drive sales up.

[MRMagoo123]

"So sales are suppose to just jack up that much in such short span... "

well they had a pretty instant negative effect on sales the month before didnt they ? it was there lowest ever month the month before the price cut. So most people would logically think that it would have an instant spike too but all it did was double the sales of the lowest month they had along with still get beaten by ps4.

[Wikkid666]

I'm pretty sure most people don't buy consoles from John Lewis.

[Why o why]

Hey, dont knock it.. they give an extra years warranty for the same price on most products plus they price match. Better deal

[Wikkid666]

Not knocking it at all. Just stating that I'm pretty sure "most" people don't get their consoles from them.

So it's probably not an accurate source on how XBO sales are doing in the GB after the new sku.

[SliceOfTruth888]

Halo is not out yet..and even when the person comments on my post saying halo sales are not like they used to be it...it still matters. Neither system has its own system seller i own both and can tell you second son was pretty but generic and Titanfall was a great start but lacked content, no leaderboards yet i mean come on. I own both PS4 and Xbone so its nice to not be blind.....ill just keep playing Mario Kart while i wait

[chrisarsenalsavart]

I don't know why people talk about a price cut. It is not. They removed Kinect out of the package. That is it.
This holiday season Microsoft will probably cut the x1 price in Europe at least(where they lost so much market share already, especially in the UK where their sales used to make for 60% of their EU total sales)
The only place Microsoft might gain some ground is in N.A but I m afraid for the rest of the world it is pretty much guarantee that Sony will remain leader.

[SG1_dapunisherX]

ms just have wackass pr that all. if im going price the x1 $ 399, I make sure I include dr3 for free.

[pornflakes]

The xbox360 sold only 5 Million last gen in its first year but after Gears was shown and released in November it was the best looking game and xbox360 saled exploded!

Xbox owners jump later to the next generation while Playstation owners mostly care only about hardware specs although the new generation started way to early with medicore games available at launch especially for the PS4.

I bet 3 Million units sold for Xone just in the cristmas weeks because of the Master Chief Collection. The Halo franchise is in sales on par with COD and GTA exclusive to Xbox.

With 4 games in one there is no way to pass the all in one Xbox Home Entertainment system.

[BitbyDeath]

360 sold 10 million in its first year.

[BlackTar187]

Shu he's thinking that since it didn't launch at the BEGINNING of a calendar year you only count the months it had left in the year.

[SilentNegotiator]

Shhh! That doesn't fit the narrative of Xbox beating the odds!

[BlackTar187]

god you crazy ones better hope so. I imagine that would be the single best Christmas present WINNING IN SALES FOR DEC

[MysticStrummer]

Wow. Lots of made up "facts" from pornflakes.

[Brettman2008]

''Xbox owners jump later to the next generation''.

LOL. A lot of Xbox 360 owners, like me, went straight to PS4 due to the many miss steps with Xbox One and because PS4 is an awesome piece of hardware. Also, I don't think the Master Chief collection will have much of an impact on Xbox One sales as they are HD upgrades only. I think Destiny will have a much bigger impact on PS4 sales.

[iDadio]

So much spin I went dizzy and it seems I have a different understanding of the word 'Fact' than Pornflakes does.

[Skankinruby]

Lol a collection of games that everyone already owns individually is gonna be the momentum shifter? Just stop, seriously

[jnemesh]

Newsflash! Inferior console has inferior sales! Film at 11!

[Clogmaster]

PS2 beat Gamecube and Xbox.

[jnemesh]

Yes, and why did that happen? First, the Xbox came out years after the PS2, it neither had the fan base that Sony did, nor did it have the selection of games. Second, the Gamecube, while a great console, didn't have the mass market appeal (or the game library) that the PS2 had at the time.

Now, that is neither here nor there when talking about THIS generation. This gen we have 2 similar consoles, aimed (ostensibly) at the same customers. Both released at roughly the same time, though, so no advantage there. They are now both at the same price point, although the Xbox launched at a higher price. (due to the unwanted Kinect being included) Now that Kinect is gone they are at the same price, but one has DOUBLE the number of games and has more horsepower as well.

It's not JUST the specs that are inferior on the XB1, but the whole concept of what it is and what it does. MS still clings to the original "vision" of a multimedia box for everyone...and they STILL say everyone should buy Kinect! Regardless of that, the main reason it's inferior is the fact that fewer games are available for it, and the ones that are play better on the competition's similarly priced console.

It could also be argued that it's inferior in basic design. LARGE, ugly box, external power supply, adaptor needed for headphones, rechargeable batteries are an additional cost...there are many, many reasons the XB1 falls short.

On the plus side, they do have Halo...uh, and I guess Sunset Overdrive? :)

[Spotie]

PS2 may have been inferior in terms of tech, but certainly not library or brand strength. Oh, or PR.

[Tellur1an]

Am I the only one who dislikes the "price cut" phrasing? Taking part of the product out of the box and lowering the price is not a "price cut", it is a new product. If they kept the kinect in every box and lowered the price, that would be a price cut.

[chrisarsenalsavart]

Couldn't agree with u more.
But now that both consoles are sold with the same price tag and pretty much with the same content,it is clear which one people prefer.

[Tedakin]

Agreed. It's the same people who say the Kinectless Xbox SKU is 10% faster. It's not true and it misleads and confuses consumers.

[PS4OUR]

This proves MS don't listen to the core gamer.

Prior to the Xbox One E3 reveal there were gamers angry at what MS was trying to pull. All the negative reactions MS brushed aside and continued on their next gen vision.

then...

Pre-order sales slumped and MS stuck to their guns. Its only when Sony started cleaning them out in sales when they started listening and changing their tune. Some execs at MS still believe in the original reveal policies.
And the constant spin of the power differences (with the help of the uber cloud) between the Xbox One and PS4 by MS execs is insulting as well. I believe there was a claim by MS that the cloud would make Xbox One potentially four times as powerful as PS4.
Digital Foundry and many tech sites came out and questioned the validity of this claim. Cloud is another way for MS to ease in the DRM crap they tried to pull prior to E3.

How can one support a company that is dishonest and doesn't have the gamer's best interest at heart?
Now all of a sudden MS is all for the gamers? Thats cool and all but everyone seems to forget the dirty anti consumer stunt they tried to pull at the Xbox One reveal and then they claim to have "listened" to the core gamer and promptly changed their policies. Bullcrap, they listened to sales, saw that Sony was handing them their ass and then changed their focus.

Too few Xbox One units have been shifted, that's the reason for all the 180's and MS shift in focus to games games games.

*EDIT: Keep them disagrees coming. I love nothing more than disagrees with fact :D

[Macdaddy71]

I see the X1 jumping way high in sales later this year, like some said a lot of 360 gamers not made the jump yet, that says a lot to, bout every ps3 owner now the ps3 was not a gamer system other then first party games, X1 will sell right along with ps4, what I like bout this round is it's worth owner Both!!! I do maybe not right now but in a couple years any Real gamer will for sure want both, it will be a Must Have... I love my X1, I only have ps4 is for the First party games... Far as games that release on both X1 hands down,
1. Live
2. Controller
3. OS
4. It's the closest System made in the Great USA baby.... Yes guys I know not all of it is, why I said CLOSEST made!!!!!

[BlackTar187]

Please do us a favor and run your comment thru
https://translate.google.co...

[djplonker]

"It's the closest System made in the Great USA baby"

Ugh people like you are reason enough to avoid the xbox and most of it's community.

[reaperofsouls]

Macdaddy = stealth troll you try and make your obvious Xbone bias sound like a neutral imformed opinion but fail! We see right through you!

[Brettman2008]

No, a lot of Xbox 360 owners have already moved to PS4. And real gamers will want to get both consoles, really? LOL, PS4 is a great console, there is no need to get another one.

[Clogmaster]

Are you one of those "U-S-A! U-S-A!" guys?

[iDadio]

Think I lost a braincell along with precious seconds of drawing breath that I will never get back reading this captain brobro comment.

The attempt at bias covered by silly statements is hilariously transparent.

[rainslacker]

Most people on both systems haven't transitioned. There is no guarantee that 360 owners will obviously get a X1 anymore than there is a guarantee that current PS3 owners will transition to PS4. It just doesn't work like that.

[Goku781]

Xbox failing everyday is getting old. Reminds me of the Ring od death without the ring.

[hiawa23]

I got both so I really don't care who is in first or second. I actually prefer many aspects of the 1 to the 4, and the console is fine as my tastes go. The One is going to continue to lag, given what MS tried to push on gamers. Did anyone expect the 1 to overtake the 4? Although, I love my 1, for many gamers it was more than the price that soured them on MS. Now, that that is out of the way and MS is content with second, they need to just focus on getting the games and sevices aps out for the console as they are not going to overtake, Sony this gen, and I am fine with that. Get us the games and we will be happy.

[Why o why]

Top comment. Can't argue with that.

[strangeaeon]

It wont matter what MS does, most of the N4G community will hate them. X1 could have twice the specs, twice the games and free XBL and it would not matter.

[hiawa23]

I agree, me personally, don't care what the N4G community thinks. MS made some mistakes, they have corrected that and it only homes down to the games for me, and that is all I am concerned with.

[SpinalRemains138]

They tipped their hand and showed the customers what they're all about. THEMSELVES, to the point where consumers would take it in the pail over and over.

These moves to save face do not in any way clear them of wrong doing. The intent was there, and still is. MS wants control. Now they are back where they started in gaming.

[PS4OUR]

Well said. Bubble up

[Predaking77]

Before the Xbox, PlayStation was already a pillar and a revolution in the gaming industry. The Xbox 360 got popularity because in the beginning of the PS3 Sony messed up big time. At the end of the PS3 cycle, Sony not only catch up to the 360 but even surpass it by fixing their mistakes not only by mouth but by bringing the best exclusive of last gen like TLOU.

With the PS4, Sony came strong once again as the Sony that everybody used to love and so the balance has move once again to PlayStation, as things were before the Xbox.

Why do yo think people compares this gen to the PS2? Sony is dominating once again, there is no denying.

[SpinalRemains138]

The fact that 360 was all alone as a new generational machine for a year was a tremendous advantage too. As awesome as Xbox exclusives are, the fact that they were available before PS3, was what led to MS picking up US market share.

Now, all things are equal and PS is merely returning to its position as a leader in the industry. I'd love to see Nintendo geared toward a more adult audience, but I don't think it is going to happen.

This Gen is not about Xbox floundering as much as it is a return to normalcy. That, and Tolee loves panda stuff.

[Brettman2008]

The issues with PS3 helped Xbox 360 and the issues with Xbox One have helped PS4. I think PS4 would be still ahead irrespective though. I agree, Playstation has moved to their normal position as sales leader.

[strangeaeon]

So what you are saying is Sony will never have real competition? If something truly better came along, I get the feeling that you wouldnt notice.

[BitbyDeath]

If Nintendo got 3rd party support back and put up a system of equal or close to power then they will be a huge contender to knock Sony down to 2nd place.

[horndog]

Good for Sony. My wallet is on my xbox one. I love the system and it's games and doesn't affect any of it just because it's lagging in sales. Now with 3d blue ray coming I'm done and not even considering a ps4. All in one baby plus AAA games without trying to jam them indies down our throats.

[BitbyDeath]

Well I hope you are not buying evil indie games like Sunset Overdrive, CupHead or Destiny.

[Geekman]

Anyone who read the latest VG charts knows this. Why is this news?

[Tedakin]

So Xbox doesn't just have to sell well, it has to BEAT Ps4 or it's a failure? By that logic didn't PS3 fail because it lost to Wii? I mean only one can win, but all can succeed.

[Flames76]

Who really cares the Xbox 360 crushed the PS3 last gen with the 360 selling 47 million in america and the PS3 selling only 28 million.Yet people still bought the horrible PS3.Worldwide they both sold 84 million.Also the 360 beat the wii in america also being the number 1 selling system last gen.Still the fact is the xbox division is making money profit keeps going up and the division has been making money since september 2007.The playstation division has lost over 6 billion since 2006 and the PS4 has already lost $400 million since launch.In america the X1 is at 3.3 million and the PS4 is at 3.7 million.World wide its 5 million to 8.6 million.Lets see the PS4 is in 57 countrys and the X1 is in 13 countrys.Lets talk about all that shall we

[Why o why]

Ok, lets talk about that. Why have you ignored the fact that the ps4 leads the x1 in EVERY region the x1 is currently available in, including the main regions it lead in last gen? Ms specifically aimed to release in the regions it believed the most demand would be. Many of the other regions won't even support many of the touted features. Some of your numbers are lies but I understand you have no choice but to.

That money you laud didn't stop ms from dropping support for the 360 did it, so you're basically championing the fact ms knows how to pack its customers fudge efficiently.... seems they didn't even need ky for some. As long as their bottom line is nice, their ethos and our enjoyment doesn't matter.

This gen is going to be really hard for those who gloated over NA NA whilst ignoring the rest of the planet. That year headstart doesnt even factor into the logic of many. I also wonder how much further ahead sony would be if they released a year earlier than the competition this gen. That would really be total destruction.

[Artemidorus]

People refuse to even try the Xbox One, anyone with a brain understands it's slowly getting better and better.

[quenomamen]

Wow the MS apologists are out tonight. Just get over it, sure if they tried to bend you over a chair but at the last minute they couldn't find the blue pill so they let you go free ! Shit, ever hear of forgive and forget ? Stop acting like you would not like it cuz you would !

I accepted MS's apology, why cant you ? Matter of fact we've been hangin'g out since November and other than the fact that he keeps saying it was my fault for dressing slutty and trying to force feed me Jagermeister he's actually an ok guy ! He's always saying how he's gonna turn things around in his life, and how going to counseling. Why can't you guys just accept him the way he is !
After all its about the fun times we've had since he tried to force himself on me.

[D-riders]

Yeah as an owner of almost 20 Xbox 360s ms has lost me this Gen good luck in 5 years. This Gen I Buying Nintendo AND playstations. And I don't feel like they are holding me upside down for my pockets to empty

[sovkhan]

20!!!!WtF are you serious m8?

[04STIBluByU]

Analogy: MS is the rich geeky kid who held a gun to your head, but when he pulled the trigger he had no bullets and begged you to forgive him. Don't you get it MS would have shot the gamer if they could have, but had no ammunition, so they pretended to be your friend so you wouldn't kill them. MS wanted to kill the gamer! F*ck MS!

[airgangstarr]

if destiny was xbox exclusive sony would b done allready.. xbox is were the top shooters play... so once rainbow drops i top shooter then ull see xbox sales catch up

[xDHAV0K24x]

sku..different sku! smh

[btk]

Looks like:
Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD format battle

[reploid]

You know why we always have those stupid arguments over which system is better? Because people are cheap. Either console will cost you 40 dollars a year provided that both have a lifespan of about 10 years. Here´s a hint: BUY BOTH!
The xbox gives me the added advantage of being the center of my TV experience, but i play more games on my PS4. Do i regret my xbox purchase? Hell no. I love it. Threw all my remotes in the bin and only use the xbox one media remote to control my tv, audio system and cable system. Plus when i click the ps button on the ps controller the system auto changes to ps4. Then when i put the PS4 to sleep again, boom! back to xbox one and live tv snapped to netflix. Stop being cheap ass, buy both and laugh at the peasants arguing which console they should´ve bought.

[ShaqSoda]

These articles are so annoying especially when they write new ones every other day.

[lkc32]

These boards are nothing more than a mass of fanboys, mostly Sony, swarming to defend a company that would murder them if the profit margin was high enough. Sony has cultured this behavior with the childish jabs and egocentric commercials. Greatness awaits....really. Sony is a billion dollar company, who is a fan of a company? I love ASUS, they care for customers and really make great products..unreal. Delusional idiots on this site, makes for entertaining reads during slow work days. These losers will cause the next crash in gaming like what happened in the early 80s. Folgers makes great coffee, I hope they outsell Hills Bros, congrats on the victory. Coffee wars!

[lkc32]

MacDonalds is crushing Burger King. They deserve it, they care so much more for the public.Congrats on the well deserved victory. I am proud to be able to eat there. Watch out for Jack in the Box, they are coming on strong.Lahoo hoo hoo zers

[funkybudda]

BUT BUT BUT Xbox Done has better software and update!!! ROFL.

What a piece of trash, trying to sell inferior hardware as same price as PS4. EPIC FAIL.

[Petebloodyonion]

The real question should be: At this moment, is there a reason for Xbox one to sell more then ps4?

For the mass it's 2 similar system with the same price and Sony's getting a more positive spin compare to MS.