Metal Gear Survive is Actually Good, Wow

Twinfinite writes:

We got some hands-on time with Metal Gear Survive during E3 2017, and we liked it. Here are our impressions.

[alexgibson]

People were always going to slate this game after Kojima's exit. Sadly, I don't think many people are going to judge this objectively. It does sound like good fun.

[FullmetalRoyale]

The mechanics of MGS V were great. I hated the story and the characters, but there's a good game in there.

[Chumdiddy]

I hate Konami as much as any hardcore MGS/Kojima fan but I agree. I'll look at it objectively, zero bias. Yet, most won't.

It doesn't look fun to me but I've always said that Konami has the opportunity to win people back. No way a hardcore fan ignores a proper MGS1/2/3/4/PW remake if made. I'm talking the same game but in Fox Engine - nobody ignores that. It's money waiting to be made.

Konami could make a Chapter 3 to MGSV and NOBODY ignores that if it's decent. So, I think Survive looks lame but if I hear decent things after launch I may try it. I've said that even regarding new, legitimate, non-Kojima MGS titles! I'm open to a new director making one if good.

Sadly and deservedly by Konami's behavior, many won't.

[milohighclub]

a proper kojima fan would ignore all remakes and future games released by konami.

[Artemidorus]

Konami can drown in donkey piss.

[arkard]

IF I pick it up, it will be used so Konami gets nothing from me.

[Chumdiddy]

I support this message.

[xwabbit]

Yeah, I don't like giving money to @ssholes, I wont die by not playing this game(hopefully :D!)

[dumahim]

If that's what they wanted, it shouldn't have been a Metal Gear game.

[Chumdiddy]

This. I don't see why they even had to use the name other than money and spite. It's not a MG title in any way but name.

[EatCrow]

Which is a darn shame.
When it comes to gaming it should be about the game and not the devs.

I dont particularly care for the kojima konami thing. We dont normally get the full story anyway

[milohighclub]

people slating it is not because of kojimas exit, it's how he was mistreated by konami and how they even have the nerve releasing a metal gear game after said treatment that is causing people to slate/boycott it.

[CorndogBurglar]

How they have the nerve?

Don't get me wrong, from what we know, which may or may not be accurate, Kojima was treated poorly. But Konami has always owned the Metal Gear franchise. Its their's to do with as they please.

That's like saying Marvel and DC Comics should stop selling popular comic book titles anytime the original character creator stops writing for the book. If that were the case we wouldn't have had any new stories about the world's most popular super heroes in over 50 years. And believe me, there are plenty of comic book creators who were treated poorly before they left. Especially back in the late 50's early 60's when most of the best heroes were created.

My point is, if you are a creator, whether it be a video game creator, comic book creator, or any other kind of creator, and the company you work for is not a "Creator-Owned" company, then you know full well that you do not own what you create. Metal Gear is not, and never has been Kojima's, regardless of how poorly Konami may have treated him.

[milohighclub]

Kojima made Metal Gear what it is today. without him, there would be no metal gear. so yeah how they have the nerve to go on with the franchise after the way they treated him is pretty despicable, to be honest. I'm gonna stick by my morals and not support a company that treats their staff the way they do.

no it's not the same at all, if marvel mistreated the character creator, locked them in rooms away from the rest of the staff and the rest of it and then went on selling the comic, it would be the same and equally disgusting.

[CorndogBurglar]

First of all, you don't know that any of that is true. Locking him in a room? I read that claim too, but thats all it was, a claim with nothing backing it up. It wasn't even Kojima making the claim. I know its in Japan, but I'm pretty sure holding someone in a room against their will is illegal, even over there.

So rather than just believing every ridiculous claim we hear, lets think a little more rationally before condemning someone, or a company, to something like that. If a company locked its employee in a room, there would be some type of legal action taken.

Again, I have no doubt the guy was probably mistreated. But there's mistreatment and then there's criminal activity.

And at the end of the day, again, Kojima knew before he even made the first Metal Gear that he didn't own it. It was always Konami's. It doesn't matter that he made it what it is. It was always theirs.

[milohighclub]

Geoff Keighley came out n publicly released information regarding this. he has a career and rep to think about, i doubt he would just publicly spread such a condemning rumour if that all it was. it could destroy his career.

stop defending konami, they did this shit.

In an interview with Glixel, Keighley has finally shed some light on what was going on between Kojima and Konami, who managed to have a rather public falling out while still keeping the details of the conflict under wraps.

"It was such a difficult time because [Kojima] was going through a lot last year," Keighley says in the interview. "The fact that he finished that game under those circumstances is just amazing. He was locked in a separate room on a different floor than his development team for the final six months of development. He couldn't even talk to them - he had to talk through someone else. That's how that game was finished.

"Part of what kept me going this year was a belief that we had to be back on the same stage to give him his due, and give him the award that he was robbed of last year."

Last year referring to when konami blocked kojima from attending with the rest of his team.

[CorndogBurglar]

I'm not defending Konami in any way. I've said multiple times that I do believe they mistreated Kojima. But I won't just blindly follow what someone says about a person or company if its talking about doing something illegal and there's no proof to back it up.

There's more than enough there to say that Konami was mistreating Kojima. But locking the guy in a room against his will? I'm gonna need some proof before I believe that.

This is the same reason why people accused of rape or any other crime get stuck with that stigma whether they actually did it or not. One person comes out and accuses someone of something heinous, and then it doesn't matter if they're found guilty or not, they always have that reputation hanging over their heads. If they are found guilty, sure they deserve it. But even people found innocent will always be thought of as an accused criminal.

This is really no different except that no one knows for sure what Konami did. So it isn't fair to say that Konami locked him in a room because no one knows for sure.

[THamm]

On one hand you want to try it, on the other hand you want it not to sell so Konami will sell the IP to Kojima YET I don't think Konami has ever sold an IP and looks like Metal Gear may be gone to the likes of castlevania and contra

[Enigma_2099]

@alexgibson

You d*mn right we're not. But hey, if you're will to completely overlook EVERYTHING that Konami has done to enjoy yet ANOTHER zombie survival game, then hey.. more power to you.

Also, F*cKonami.

[HeisenbergX]

Fuck Konami and Metal gear Survive

[TheGamez100]

Like or dislike it, it'll still sell well because of the metal gear name.

[JEECE]

No it won't. You are overestimating the name. It isn't like COD or BF. Plus, MGS fans are more hardcore and more likely to be aware of and affected by things like the lead dev getting screwed by the publisher. It will obviously sell better than it otherwise would have without the name, but it will bomb relative to the main series.

[milohighclub]

jeece, i wish this was the case but after reading some comments I don't think ppl give a shit and will lap it anyway.

[milohighclub]

how am i a blind hater fanboy? i disagree with the way a company treats it's staff so i will not give them money. i have morals. that's all. i'm human. i'm not gonna cry myself to sleep for missing out on a game that's just a blatant attempt to milk kojimas works. probably gonna be crap, have missing content that they will later sell you as dlc in an attempt to milk it further, cos it's konami. then you will be all on here whinning about it like it makes an actual difference.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

this makes me happy to hear.

[milohighclub]

it could be the best game to ever drop, still wouldn't buy it after what they did.

[BlaqMagiq1]

Don't care. Would rather have MGS4 remastered.

[Subzero100x]

i guess this is going to be the only guy who likes this game lol nobody is going to buy konomi's trash.

[fluxmulder]

But I thought it was supposed to be bad, because Kojima isn't working on it! The internet lied to me.

[FallenAngel1984]

What's good is how meta this game's entire narrative is.

In real life the current Metal Gear team is separated from their leader(Hideo Kojima) who they dedicated themselves to, some for almost two full decades, and is seen as a nearly messiah figure to others in their field. Now they're are on a deadline to create a game against all odds using already made assets or risk being 'killed' by Konami and made into mindless drones forced to turn out whatever Konami wants them to.

The game is about a team separated from their leader(Big Boss) who they dedicated themselves to, some for almost a full decade, and is seen as nearly a messiah figure in their field. Now they're forced to survive against all odds using scrap and other materials found to make weapons to fight off being killed or transformed by an unknown infection that makes mindless zombie-like creatures do whatever it wants.

Art imitates life indeed.

[pietro1212]

I didn't care for MSG5 all rhat much. It dragged linger than it shouldabd it was filled with recycled content and still didnt feel like a finished product. I also didn't care thst much for MGS4 personally I feel thst Peace Walker was the last great MGS game. Even if Kojima somehow returned to the franchise Id wouldn't be all that interested.

[Einhander1971]

Why donkey piss? any piss is good enough for Konami, the thing that hurts the most I remember when Konami made amazing games there SNES titles are legendary stuff.

[TheOttomatic91]

Sure it's a re skinned Phantom Pain, the general consensus was that whilst most people didn't like the story of TPP the gameplay was unanimously praised, so it makes sense the gameplay is good but what I can't stand is them giving me the same game from 2 years ago and simply adding zombies and charging $60
For it.

[LAWSON72]

With the base work Kojima laid you could probably give the project to a bunch of 3 year olds and it would still play well.

The problems that will be introduced are Konami shady business tactics

[LordofYogurt]

No it isn't.

[LordofYogurt]

Folks, if you must get the game. If you absolutely must...buy it used.

[Melankolis]

It will sell a decent number in the US. Any shooter games will do..

[JEECE]

Wrong. Look at how badly those Resident Evil spin-offs sell.

[Melankolis]

Operation Raccon City sold 2 million copies. It was a big news back then. You didn't know?.

[JEECE]

2 million lifetime is not that great, considering the PS3/360 had a combined install base of ~150 million when that game came out. RE5 sold over 8 million with fewer consoles out there.

Yes, it will sell better than it otherwise would have due to the name, but for a Metal Gear game, it will bomb.

[Enigma_2099]

I'd like to remind all of you that Kojima isn't the only person that Konami has pissed on, and their sins go back much farther than PT. Just ask IGA.

[LordJamar]

only the hard core haters were saying its gonna b bad dont lump every one into that mess

[Enigma_2099]

@LordJamar
And only the hard core sheep will completely ignore EVERYTHING they've done and blindly march in step to the nearest game store. Which one are you, friend?

[LordJamar]

there not sheep just cause they dont follow what you say THAT would be sheep ppl who know nothing really about game but they follow haters like you blindly would be sheep i goes both ways friend let ppl choose and judge for themselves

[Enigma_2099]

@Lordjamar
DON'T follow me. Go do some research. Educate yourself to what the hell Konami's been doing, and then ask yourself, Do I really want to support a company like this?

And if your answer is yes, then you need to go back to the meadows where you belong.

[CrazedFiend]

Don't really care if the game is good or not. It's Konami and I don't care to support any company that I know treats their talent the way they do. Goes way beyond Kojima.

[CrazedFiend]

Konami can kiss my a**!