Project CARS 2 Developer Will Not Hold Back Potential Xbox Scorpio Enhancements Because of PS4 PRO

The Xbox One Scorpio is far beyond the PS4 Pro- it's a more dramatic, radical overhaul of the original Xbox One, compared to the more conservative, iterative upgrade that is the PS4 Pro. However, given the fact that both systems mandate support for their base versions too, and that the PS4 Pro has a higher install base than the still not launched Scorpio, there was, obviously, a fear that the Scorpio's extra reserves of power may go untapped.

[KingKionic]

Good to hear thats what xbox gamers want. Bring on da scorpio.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Project cars devs started it. Scorpio won't be held back by Vanilla X1 originally not by Pro.

“We may go higher resolution on Scorpio compared to Pro, or we may keep lower res but increase detail. Again, too early to say, and if we can do something extra on Scorpio easily we will do, we won’t hold it back due to Pro,”

Just proves that certain devs have no real alliances or favorites and just look at the raw numbers. Getting the most out of a console is fine but blatantly calling out another console is very unprofessional same goes for Bungie for making similar remarks.

[Gazondaily]

It has begun ♏

[4Sh0w]

Well that's good nothing fanboy about it, just a dev saying basically he will do his best with the specs he's given, Scorpio is more powerful so he will do more, its not like there will be a huge difference from the pro version....thats called just giving gamers their money's worth.

Games Lover, come on, let's try to be above the silly console war.

[Teflon02]

Games_lover

Actually that's the real situation. When gaming on anything with multiplayer. The dev's don't want Xbox 1 30 fps and Xbox s 60 fps in the same multiplayer match. It throws things into a unnecessary loop and messes up things. It's the key issue for the PS4 pro as well. A single player game won't be held back by Xbox one likely. But the multiplayer ones will be in almost all cases.
Also do you know how tech works or just read something and try run with it. Every damn thing has a bottleneck. A bottleneck doesn't make things weak and you're talking as if it doesn't just exist for certain situations. If a game is 60fps already on ps4, pro won't have the CPU bottleneck to really deal with. Scorpio has shown it's biggest issue will be raising Fr without compromise. Which is the same thing. A bottleneck...

[freshslicepizza]

Nividia high end graphics cards like the GTX 1080ti are not being held back by their mid cards like the GTX 1060, i see Scorpio as no different to that of the Xbox One in the same scenario.

[Kingthrash360]

How is the ps4 pro humping the scorpio?
The xbo didn't gimp the ps4....my god what is this.
Fact of matter is either the scorpio isn't powerful enough to run a game like destiny at 60fps. The cpu isn't a leap above the ps4pros. Fps and cpu go hand and hand. Smh what's wrong with you xbox guys? Now you happy ANOTHER racing game will be 4k 60. It's not hard to pull this off. Forza will likly be a better more demanding game than project cars smh. Everyone expects all 3rd party games to run better on a console with the most power. Geez. You guys really need held....also project cars? Project cars tho?

[Aenea]

@Games_lover

The only one who is delusional is you! PS4 Pro will not cost Scorpio gamers' enjoyment, just like the vastly inferior X1 didn't cost PS4 gamers' enjoyment!

You Xbox fanboys are hilarious! As if any dev is aiming for parity with these two mid-gen upgrades, they didn't do it for X1 and PS4 why would they start now?

[ABizzel1]

They are one of the few developers who push each platform as far as they can with their given engine. Dice will likely be another one with their upcoming games.

[kitsune451]

Can we stop comparing the Scorpio to the PS4 Pro? It's going to be at least a year apart. It would be pretty pathetic if it didn't outperform it.

[mechlord]

@Games_lover
Its okay to have preferences and support whatever platform you choose, but stating - even thinking things like
"(...)Vanilla X1 ain't holding back Scorpio, it's only the PS4pro (...)" is asinine at best. i wont bother to even explain how jaded you are with this.

[snoopgg]

The pro has exclusives plus power. It will be the lack of exclusives holding the Scorpio back, oh yeah the price won't help things either.

[IceKoldKilla]

@Games_lover Hahaha how ironic. Calling someone delusional saying Xbone doesn't hold back the Scorpio. 😂

[bouzebbal]

I hate parity agreements.. PS3 was held back by 360 which was lead platform until much later in the life cycle.
This console only has 3rd party games to try to shine.

[rainslacker]

Well, they're talking to gamingbolt, and gamingbolt frames it's questions to make sure that the devs come across looking like douchebags half the time, and unprofessional the other half the time.

Project Cars guys in general never seemed to get into the whole console war BS.

[Bigpappy]

This will anger some who think they are the same. Especially when it comes to cpu and frame rates.

[VforVideogames]

RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!

[Inzo]

@VforVideogames

Didnt the KRAKEN die? Just asking.

[butchertroll]

Quote :

Shadow of war might be 4K60 also.
.....

You won't see 4k60 on Scorpio in Shadow Of War.

[gangsta_red]

Good to hear that this dev wont gimp the Scorpio version because of the PS4 Pro.

[Aenea]

Which dev is gimping the Scorpio version of their game tho?

Isn't all this nonsense a tad premature?

[butchertroll]

And why should they? PCARS2 dev statement is really hilarious.

[snoopgg]

Microsoft will be gimping the Scorpio with no exclusives. Don't blame Sony when Microsoft does this to you.

[Inzo]

Well the Scorpio is a next gen console so my concern would rather be with the Xbox1 holding it back especially with exclusives.... If there is going to be such a thing for MS. How long do you think it will be until Spencer announces an exclusive that cant run on Xbox1? I give it 8 months.

[gangsta_red]

@inzo

Hmmmmm, i dont really know...but i am positive that you'll be waiting patiently with clenched fists for those 8 months waiting to report back for any hint that you may smell. Look forward for you reminding me then.

[ziggurcat]

@inzo:

I don't think there's any risk of the OG Xbox One holding back anything on the Scorpio. And MS has made it very clear that there will be no games exclusive to Scorpio.

[Inzo]

Cant play games with a clinched fist now can I. You might know something about it though. ; )

[gangsta_red]

@Inzo

You play games? I thought you were on constant look out for what MS and their fanboys are doing?

[Inzo]

Lol, the irony, pot calling the kettle black.

[gangsta_red]

Inzo...do you even know the definition and meaning of what you just said?

[XanderZane]

There's really no reason for developers to hold back on using all the power of the Scorpio. Are they holding back on the PC versions of these games? Nope. The PS4 was't held back because of the XB1. PS4 had games that were 1080P, while the XB1 version was 900P. Sometimes the FPS were better on the PS4 as well. No developers held back at that time, so why would they do that now? There's really no reason for developers to hold back on make their games native 4K, @60fps on the Scorpio if possible even if the PS4 Pro, PS4 or XB1 aren't able to do this. Hopefully all developers follow this type of thought when developing their games.

[butchertroll]

Quote :

Both the PS4 and PS4 Pro has this crappy CPU in it, but it's not customized like the Scorpio's version. The customization in the Scorpio's hardware makes it so that the Jaguar CPU won't bottleneck.

......

PS4 Pro CPU is customized too. Anyway, Jaguar CPU is bottleneck by itself in both. Same as is PS4s/X1s CPU which is customized too.

[XanderZane]

@butchertroll
Hhhm.. you didn't watch the Scorpio reveal by DF did you? It's not just the customization of the Jaguar CPU the helps. There are also hardware customization in the Scorpio that does work for the CPU and removes the work and stress on the CPU. This kind of hardware customization to help the CPU is not in the XB1, PS4 or PS4 Pro. That's the difference everyone is forgetting.

[FITgamer]

That's what any gamer should want to hear. Parity is lame.

[UltraNova]

Agreed. The xb1 has never held back the ps4. Hell the ps4 is holding back the Pro in my opinion!

The problem is that some people are knee deep into negativity while trying to prematurely blame the opposition for any shortcomings their new found hope has given them, even if history tells us that they have no reason to.

[Inzo]

What about it being held back by the Xbox 1?

[XanderZane]

No. There should be options for future Scorpio games where you can adjust the resolution, textures, lighting/shading, etc...if you feel you need to lower the settings. It would be nice if they just had an XB1 switch, where you can switch from Scorpio mode to XB1 mode. For gamers who want to play for friends online who only have the XB1 version.

[crazyCoconuts]

I think it's a testament to some effective marketing that folks feel Scorpio is "far beyond" the Pro (about 44% more TFLOPS) but the OG PS4 was only marginally more powerful than the OG Xbox (40% more TFLOPS). If you thought 900p was indistinguishable from 1080p you'll have an even harder time distinguishing between 1440p and something like 1800p...

[KingKionic]

1440p and 1800p? No. Project Cars 2 would most likely op for native 4K 60 FPS.

No way they wouldnt knowing Forza 7 will 4K 60 FPS.

[crazyCoconuts]

You're right, driving games could very well hit native 4k... They're typically not as resource intensive as other types of games. But I'd be very surprised if a game like BF1 ran at native 4k on Scorpio.

[NotSoMad]

Why does every fanboy think that just because it will support Scorpio that it will then be 4k/60?

[KingKionic]

BF2 is rumored to be native 4K from WindowsCentral from a early leak before the scorpio spec was revealed from Digital Foundry.

http://www.windowscentral.c...

The author mentions that DICE Patrick Söderlund did in fact appear in the 2016 project scorpio video. The Studio Head of DICE.

https://youtu.be/F1dRgWpGeP...

He talks about being impressed at Project Scorpio at the 54 second mark.

[2pacalypsenow]

@KionicWarlord222

BF2? I should hope so, that game came out in 2005

[GTgamer]

Forza? Seriously the same game that runs at 1080p 60 fps on the xone ok run forza horizon at 4k 60fps and then you'll have a argument.

[LexHazard79]

@notsomad,

Hell with the fanboys! Its my understanding, and someone can correct me if Im wrong...for sure. But if the games do 60fps on the base models then they would do it on the Pro and Scorpio. You can then work on the resolution bump. I mean I think...
Look Im the guy who puts things together not a coder.

[Aenea]

Or the difference between 1800p and 2160p then, or 2160p checkerboard rendered and native 2160p...

I do wonder tho, what will Xbox fans want, native 2160p but with the same visual settings as the X1 version or go with something like checkerboard rendered and really up the visual settings to perhaps Ultra settings?

And what would Xbox fans think if the PS4 Pro will do 2160p checkerboard rendered for games with Ultra settings and Scorpio does native 2160p with medium settings? Because those are possibilities too...

Also, stop with that overly silly comparing of Forza with any other game. The engines aren't the same, the games aren't the same, the demands on the system are therefor not going to be the same...

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@NotSoMad

They have this silly notion that the increased power is going to be massive completely not considering it might not be such a huge difference visually.

Someone is bound to reply to me with something silly like "it's a whole PS4 of power difference! way more than between X1 and PS4" while they are forgetting we're talking about 4k resolutions which need 4 times more power to render a complete frame and totally don't feel that the 1.8Tflops difference for 4k is about the same as 1.8 / 4 = 0.45Tflop difference for 1080p...

Let them have their fantasies for now, hope keeps them going!

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@crazyCoconuts

How did Project Cars run on the X1? 1080p native with rock solid 60fps? Yes? Then it will easily be able to hit native 2160p @ 60fps on Scorpio...........

[Bigpappy]

Shadow of war might be 4K60 also. E3 will be the talk of the town. Scorpio will be scorched earth. Nothing will generate more buzz.

[crazyCoconuts]

@KionicWarlord222
On BF1, going from 1440p to 2160p is 125% more pixels. Scorpio has a 44% TFLOP advantage over the Pro. That's just not enough to go native 4k on that particular game - it's not even close...

[corroios]

Dont tell that. let them dream a litlle more.

Its funny that the power diference is almost the same between the PS4 and the Xbox One, but now so many saying its huge, lol. With a crappy jag CPU it will be huge.

4k60 frames with ultra settings like ive been Reading from so many.....

[KingKionic]

The 4K 60 FPS on Ultra came directly from Digital Foundry and what they saw running in realtime

"Forza Motorsport. 4K, 60fps, Xbox One quality settings with 4K assets. GPU utilisation is at 66.19 per cent, meaning there's a huge amount of overhead left over for improving visuals still further. Click on the thumbnail for a higher resolution image."

"The crazy story here is that we've gone over our PC ultra settings and for everything that's GPU-related, we've been able to max it - and that's what we're running at, 88 per cent," says Tector, pointing to the utilisation data at the top of the screen. Right beneath it is the anti-aliasing setting - 4x, or rather 8:4x using the Radeon EQAA hardware AA."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[corroios]

KionicWarlord - Forza runs at 1080/60 frames on the Xbox One 1.3 teraflop machine the Scorpio is 6 teraflops...

Of course it runs at 4k60 frames on the Scorpio its almost five times more powerfulll then Xbox One.

[bluefox755]

@Kionic Yes, that's been doable with a mere RX 480 on PC for quite a while. You Xbox fans keep citing that as if it's some great accomplishment.

[Bigpappy]

@corroios: "Forza runs at 1080/60 frames on the Xbox One 1.3 teraflop machine the Scorpio is 6 teraflops...
Of course it runs at 4k60 frames on the Scorpio its almost five times more powerfulll then Xbox One. "

Sorry, but It's not that simple:

1. Forza6 on X1 is not the same as Forza: Apex on PC.
2. It is not just Forza: Apex at 4K. It has high resolution assets and at ULtra settings with 4X AA.
3. Try running Forza Apex on your own rig and see it you get it running 4K Ultra.
4. GT can't run 4K native on the pro

[zb1ftw777]

The power difference might be similar if you look at percentages, but that's not how to do this.

You need to look at the numbers.

The difference between 1 and 2 teraflops is 100% for example.

But the difference between 4 teraflops and 6 is only 50%.

Yet 2 teraflops difference is much bigger than 1.

Using real numbers, the difference between Scorpio and Pro, is, well, huge.

To put this in perspective.....

The difference between the Scorpio and Pro....is an entire PS4 worth of power.

[XanderZane]

Both the PS4 and PS4 Pro has this crappy CPU in it, but it's not customized like the Scorpio's version. The customization in the Scorpio's hardware makes it so that the Jaguar CPU won't bottleneck. There is a difference. People keep wanting to denied there is a big difference.

[LexHazard79]

It is huge...Lol Lets not kid ourselves. If you have a PS4 and Xbox One, you def know what Im typing about man. Games just look better at 1080p than 900p. No way around it. 4K will look better than 1800p.

[BigWan78]

@corrios

Ur theory can be debunk d easily...

8GB of RAM used for games running at 320GB Bus... that alone will alone the fill rate for textures to be more consistent...

Also, their PIX tool has disected every engine that runs on Xbox and removed as ma y bottlenecks as possible... instead of Devs learning the box, they are getting probably the most optimized and ready to go XDK , in some studios history...

[freshslicepizza]

@bluefox755
" Yes, that's been doable with a mere RX 480 on PC for quite a while. You Xbox fans keep citing that as if it's some great accomplishment."

It's not? Polyphony Digital doesn't even have as rock steady of an engine that keeps it steady 60fps like the Forza engine does. If this team can manage 60fps and native 4K on Scorpio that is quite an accomplishment to me.

Regardless, it's nice to see a third party developer using the hardware that is given to them and trying to push it.

[Aenea]

@zb1ftw

And there's the faulty logic I mentioned above!

If you really want to use numbers correctly then also think about the fact that 1080p is 25% of 2160p in terms of number of pixels AND the power needed to drive it...

Really think about that for a second!

You got it now?

No?

40% of a power difference with X1 and PS4 for 1080p resolutions meant we got 900p vs. 1080p for instance
40% of a power difference with Scorpio and Pro for 2160p resolutions means we get something like 1800p vs. 2160p

Agreed?

No?

Let's say you need 1.5Tflops to reach native 1080p
To then reach 2160p which is 4 times the amount of pixels, you need a GPU that's 4 times as fast.
1.5 x 4 = 6Tflops, that's the Scorpio....

Native 2160p is 8294400 pixels.
PS4 Pro has only 4.2Tflops, so it can only render 8294400 / 6 x 4.2 the amount of pixels in the same time frame, which equates to 5806080.
Native 1800p is 5760000.

Whaddayaknow, so 1800p is then doable on the PS4 Pro, funny don't you think that 900p vs. 1080p and 1800p vs 2160p is the same percentual difference!

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Also think about the number of 1.5Tflops I used. That's more than the X1 has, but less than the PS4 has. Not even ALL games on PS4 are 1080p, or a rock solid 30fps, let alone 60fps. To get the same performance for native 2160p, 4 times 1.8Tflops would be needed which is 7.2Tflops.

And yes, 60fps means the GPU needs to do twice the amount PER SECOND (flops in Tflops stands for floating point operations PER SECOND) and thus needs twice the amount of GPU power.

Does it now seem like it's given that all games on Scorpio will hit 2160p? Or that they will all hit 60fps? Heck, even if they want to get a rock solid 30fps not ALL GAME ENGINES will be able to do 2160p natively on Scorpio.

And no, no amount of CPU optimisations is gonna help with this, CPU can be a whole other reason why game engines can't hit 60fps, look at Destiny...

[thisismyaccount]

At Kionic ...

The fact that you/all like us to believe that, that particular forza picture is ULTRA like you said .. it isnt ... have a looksy : http://imgur.com/NgiFriy

Ultra settings and low polycar models? With 2D Crowd and a broken or unfinished reflection .. where some car have it (rear mirror) while others dont ... or that one car has partially the fence reflected but the adj. car does not. Except for the 4K ground texture, nothing resembles "ULTRA" to me. ..

... i mean the article says it too ... can´t you read at all?! You even quoted/paraphrase it

Forza Motorsport. 4K, 60fps, ººººº ºººXbox One quality settings with 4K assetsºººº ºººº GPU utilisation is at 66.19 per cent, meaning ....

[dumahim]

Don't forget extra RAM though.

[yeahokwhatever]

"4k assets" = made up term. Thats just not how 3d rendering works.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

What? It's not that black and white... 12gb of GDDR5 @ 326gb/sec will be more noticeable than the GPU/CPU advantage. Ask any PC gamer how important More/Faster RAM is, Draw distance, object count, texture quality, etc. will be much better with more RAM, something you don't really see with the Pro since it uses the same amount just slightly faster memory...

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

Hardware wise yes, what I meant was the main difference you will notice unlike the PS4 to PS4 Pro, will be more memory available, so not only will games get a boost in Frame rate and Resolution like the Pro, but graphical assets that are memory extensive will be utilized more, so you will be getting more than just a Frame rate jump and resolution jump ;)

[rainslacker]

So long as the memory itself can support the bus speeds of the GPU then it doesn't really need faster memory. More memory can allow for more textures and what not, but the speed maybe not so much. It can reduce some things like texture pop in, but speed and size don't have much to do with draw distance. Object count it has some effect on, but the CPU is likely to still be a bottleneck in this case, as that's more a CPU issue as those objects still have to be processed on the CPU before the GPU can do anything with it, and the move to GDDR5 as opposed to DDR3, which is more capable of handling object manipulation due to it's lower latency, makes it kind of a wash. In any case, I can't see two different versions of the game having more or less objects, as that's not even seen on PC's where power can go from very low to extremely powerful.

[Bigpappy]

Bus speed is wholly important. Having higher bus speeds will reduce screen tare, pop-ins, and allow for more effects to run with those high resolution textures.

[aconnellan]

"If you thought 900p was indistinguishable from 1080p"

PlayStation owners certainly didn't think it was indistinguishable, and they never let us forget it either.

I also remember the articles where native 1080p on the PS4 was 'noticeably better' than the Xbox One's upscaled 1080p. Now that the Pro relies on upscaling, it's totally fine and there's no difference?

The street goes both ways

[GTgamer]

Same way on this xbox fans said res didn't matter but were quick to call out checkerboarding even tho you guys were playing 720p games but like you said the street goes both ways.

[conanlifts]

Although to be fair 900p vs 1080p was not that obvious. If the only difference turns out to be 1800p vs 4k then it will also will be negligible. Personally though i think if developers want to do more than this then the extra power in scorpio will allow them to. But it depends on what they choose to do. With scorpio too many people are looking at just the gpu and ignoring all of the other improvements it has.

[conanlifts]

But the gap is far greater. You mention the OG xbox vs ps4. Ps4 had faster ram and 40% more tflops. The Xbox one has a 10% faster cpu. So 2 out of 3 advantages were in favour of the ps4.
Compare that to scorpio and pro and it has 44% more tflops and faster ram. In addition it has a cpu that has been overhauled for efficiency gains with double the cache and 10% greater clock speed. The ps4 did not have this advantage. Plus scorpio has faster memory and also a greater amount. Again the OG ps4 had faster memory, but not a greater amount. Plus what we cant measure is the talked about efficiency gains from the way the hardware is integrated. So this is another potential gain. The gap is not the same as ps4- xbox one.
Of course throwing aside everthing i have said i do not think it matters unless ms actually start competing with the same quality exclusives that Sony has.

[rainslacker]

I think it's a testament to just how extreme the fan boy rhetoric has gotten to think that Scorpio is going to somehow be so powerful that it's going to redefine the console experience.

MS only marketing on the system is in the tune of "Most powerful console ever", but as of yet, have shown nothing that exemplifies that power in a way that is meaningful for the consumer. All of people's expectations are based on their own assumption of what can be delivered with 6TFlops, and MS own talk but don't show marketing. The fan boys are setting the bar so high, that I doubt MS can actually deliver on what they expect, and for the most part, MS isn't actually promising without a big ol' asterix attached most of the power that many posit in forums. The DF no show preview has only exaggerated this whole debate to epic proportions.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Good to know

[consolez_FTW]

jesus gamingbolt lol he even said in the same interview,
"..again it's too early to say"

the interview itself wouldn't stir the pot ,but filling the rest of the article with s**t just shows the journalistic integrity of gaming bolt.
This is good for scorpio gamers if the developers choose to give higher resolution or add more details , as he said but I expect this comment section to get as toxic as it always does

[TheVetOfGaming]

This.

[alb1899]

Some bullets for the Pro.

[XXanderXX]

Good news indeed , look forward to seeing how they use Scorpio.

[candystop]

Good news indeed!

[XxINFERNUSxX]

I mean why would you? LOL. It's like a dev holding back special features that nvidia cards can do that AMD can't just as an example. I say F everyone and make the best version you can on that specific platform and don't give a shit what anyone else tells you :D (coming from mostly a PC gamer)

[Einhander1971]

Bring on da Scorpio my arse, let's see da games first yes.

[PFFT]

And thats how its done ladies and gents! Dont let the weaker console bring down the stronger one. Keep up the great work Slightly Mad Studios!

[Aenea]

Don't all studios do this? What's with potential Scorpio owners being so scared all of a sudden?

[butchertroll]

Yeah! True that. PCARS 2 dev statement is really hilarious. Just to fuel fanboy wars. LOL

[UltraNova]

He was also scared from 2013-2017, you know about the xb1 bringing down the ps4...oh wait!

They hypocrisy is way way off the charts.

[UltraNova]

I have no God and yes you are hypocrite.

[butchertroll]

Tell me, did X1 hold back PS4?

[Aenea]

"Sonys greasy fingers wont fck it up for the Scorpio"

How on earth would Sony be able to mess with the Scorpio? You've been listening to way too many idiotic conspiracy theories!

[cellfluid]

That's how it's supposed to be use all of the systems potential. Stop restrictions PERIOD. This is great news. Hope all devs follow suit..

[himdeel]

Bullshit! MS/Sony isn't going to let that slide with the "parity no Scorpio/Pro exclusives" and with X1 and Ps4 needing a version. I guarantee you we will see a follow up article clarifying his statement soon enough and he'll walk these statements backwards like a moonwalk on ice...

[Cmv38]

Exactly. Unless they are getting some extra pennies, they will focus their development resources towards the larger market of ps4 and xb1

[Fishy Fingers]

Duuuurrrrr. There is a PC version. They already building the game with settings that far exceeded what the OG PS/XB can do.

Pro/Scorpio builds will just feature more of the PC settings, sounds like the Scorpio will just get a few extra bells and whistles over the Pro. Which is to be expected.

[demonddel]

Isn't the Scorpio and The X1 version of the game the same with the Scorpio playing the same game much better or is it 2 separate versions

[Bigpappy]

It will seem like a different version. But its the same game. It like the PC version compared to the console version. Same game, better specs.

[demonddel]

Let me try again I'm asking like it's only 1 purchase right that's gonna play on both systems or is the Scorpio getting its own separate version

[candystop]

@Demondel.....Xbox play anywhere. If the devloper allows it, you can play any one game across different windows platforms. So to answer your question only 1 copy is needed.

[Bigpappy]

Yes. If you bought the game on X1 and then move on to Scorpio, it will automatically download the updates for the Scorpio version.

[V0LT]

I knew this multiple sku's of more powerful hardware within the same generation was gonna stir up stuff like this.

[Pancit_Canton]

Hopefully, the PC version doesn't get hold back because of the console. lol

[Bigpappy]

actually it may very well help to push up High end rigs if Scorpio does well.

[jmc8888]

Why would they? They are building those things in the PC version, just like they did for the first one.

So why not use those higher level assets for Scorpio over Pro and Pro over PS4 and PS4 over XB1?

This should not be a problem for any game that makes a decent PC version.

Devs want to make, what they deem is the best version possible, for each platform. That doesn't mean they'll make everyone happy as some people will want 4k/30, others might want 1080/60, so on and so forth. Some are expecting 4k/60.

The simple fact is that these machines have limits, and they will push them and make arbitrary decisions to the best of their ability or lack thereof for their game.

[XStation4pio_Pro]

badass. I can't wait to order this thing. I have a feeling a lot of devs are gonna wanna push the power for sure. Already hearing a lot of buzz about how it's performing in development circles. Even ol cliffy b is impressed.

[Bronxs15]

Now we're talking!

[KickSpinFilter]

Ah but will they hold it back so their is parity with XB1?

[andrewsquall]

HOW would another GDDR5 supercharged console with the same architecture and a similar processor make much of a difference???
Why does somebody ask them if the Xbone standard will overall hold back ALL versions of the game? So for example, Scoprio is going to have next gen weather effects with volumetric clouds and all that but standard Xbone won't? Exactly, that will not happen.
Scorpio WON'T have those things if vanilla Xbone can't do them and it certainly will be nothing to do with PS4 Pro when it will not lol.

[Silly gameAr]

Oh no! PS pro and Sony are doomed! It has begun! The Beast Cometh! 4K or no way! (that's a cringy tagline I came up with myself btw. It fit's in nicely with the rest of the cringe.)

[LexHazard79]

YES!! Thats what I like read right there man, unleash the might. Lol...

[corroios]

zb1ftw777

«Using real numbers, the difference between Scorpio and Pro, is, well, huge.» Not really.

You are forgetting that 4k is much more demanding then 1080p. You need 4 times more power. So the diference is even smaller then between the PS4 and Xbox One on real games.

You need a much more powerfull CPU and GPU to run the game at 4k60 with high setting. Im not saying that the Scorpio isnt a great machine spec wise, but the reality ist that a overclocedk jag cpu and overclocked RX480 arent enough for 4k60 frames without compromisse.

There will be games running at 4k60 frames but it wont be normal, like so many here are talking so big.

[oSHINSAo]

well, if Scorpio can reach that, PS4 PRO neither

[BeOpenMinded]

Major point and one that needs to be mentioned is that these companies realize they need to get ahead with better tech. One pushes the other. All of these upgrades improve experiences and drive the industry. PC players should be happy there are aggressive approaches to increase performances from both systems IMO. I want to see the game industry evolve faster than this drip feed of milking the consumer. I love all video games.

[Zabatsu]

I am soooo tired of this. I just hope Sega would release another console and make shit interesting again, even if they fail I will not hear one more word about Scorpio. Scorpio will be a good console, switch is a good console, ps4 is a good console.

Half of the n4g commmunity is like taking part in fourth grade drama class, where everyone is better than everybody else.

-Hey my pop's better than yours!
Well, you eat boggers!
-You eat even worse boggers!
You are a bogger!

Bla, bla, bla...

[ruefrak]

It's like you read my mind. Sega comes back with some awesome Blast Processing, and suddenly this is a horse race again. These other "non-Blast Processing" consoles will look like broken down wrecks in comparison. #WelcomeToTheNextLevel

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

That would be so awesome if Sega gets back in the console race.

[hamburgerhill]

So when Xbox owners get good news all we here is how tired you are but when Sony fanboys keep talking trash you don't say nothing. Double standard

[hamburgerhill]

Agreed!

[BeOpenMinded]

At FleeceJohnson75, I played Mario and Zelda on the switch recently. Great system and I really may purchase it because of it. Love PC gaming and wish I could have a better PC. Fanboys are making me embarrassed as a gamer and it's sad. It's such a great medium. All companies are evil in my opinion, we have to stick together for the pastime we grew up with and love. The Genesis was my favorite system of all time :) Shout out to the Sega fans who want a new system also

[Bigpappy]

Yeah. Wait until you hear all the article wishing for PS5 and Sega or Apple. Any body but M$. You guy really hate Xbox. Its funny and sad at the same time.

[hamburgerhill]

All I care about is Scorpio right now. I could careless about Sega, Apple or PS5! We have the most powerful ever on our hands and still have people hating and ignoring the fact.

[Hedstrom]

Im guessing Native 4k and 60 fps for Scorpio and 1800p checkerboard and 60 fps for pro. If you own both consoles you should go for Scorpio version. If you have only pro, dont worry, you wont see a diffrence unless youre tv is 70 inch or above.

[Anzil]

Don't tell me to go for any single version. They're are way more factors than a 350 lines of pixels

[Hedstrom]

Well you dont have to listen to me, im a guy on the internet ;) But yea youre right, there are more factors.

[XXanderXX]

Sweet

[DAEMONIFEAR]

If you watch the ign interview with Mark Noseworthy and Luke Smith from last week Luke Smith stated they're pushing each platform to their capable max! So hopefully this is also true for D2!

[GNCFLYER]

XBOX gamers be like the emporer trying to convert luke to the dark side.

I've never had so many lolz as this gen..

[DrumBeat]

Scorpio will have the best versions of games. As it should, because it's more powerful. If the extra power is there, use it if possible.

[ziggurcat]

"However, given the fact that both systems mandate support for their base versions too, and that the PS4 Pro has a higher install base than the still not launched Scorpio, there was, obviously, a fear that the Scorpio's extra reserves of power may go untapped."

who had expressed this fear, exactly? I mean, apart from the most ardent conspiracy theorists that somehow believe Sony would actually have any say/influence in the development of a game on a completely different platform?

[Aenea]

LOL!

What a stupid thing to be even concerned about! Of course they are not going to hold it back just like they are not going to hold back the PC version!

But I do understand where this is coming from and find it utterly hilarious to be honest, the stupidity of some people....

[BuildTheWall]

I plan on getting the Scorpio & my current Xbox One has acting like it is about to crash for a few months which may have to do with dropping it down some stairs because my cousin left some of his toys near the staircase.

[ABBAJESUS]

Project Scorpio will also benefit PS4 Pro owners and vice versa,,because game developers are now pressured to create better looking version for 2 consoles instead of 1. Pro won't be ignored by so many 3rd party developers anymore.

[Inzo]

I love how they use the word "potential", in other words the two versions will look exactly the same.

I think the guys at ND and GG just had a good old giggle about this.

[wheatley]

How did this string of questioning come up about parity? I find it weird that devs need to start saying they won't limit a game on a particular console just because of another's specs. They wouldn't limit the pc version so why even ask?

[kakashi81]

I'm getting both pro and scorpio.

[BeOpenMinded]

PS 5 may be worth being patient for. Console dominance may be ramping up

[butchertroll]

People think Sony is paying or forcing devs to go for parity? WOW, Sony has really big amount of money for paying devs to do something like that. Kinda like
the start off this gen where people were saying Microsoft was doing it.
The idea for both companies is goddamn absurd.

Not a single console manufacturer in any single way can't dictate the
development of multiplatform 3rd party game and force parity against more powerful
console.

I see that there was a parity between X1 and PS4 version of PCARS. Oh, wait....

[ziggurcat]

Didn't you know that's why Sony is so "broke"? Because they are paying everyone off! /s

[iDadio]

Judging by the standard of literacy on some comments I'm not buying that even 1/4 of the people claiming day one Scorpio purchases will actually get one. Money would be better off spent on education.

[xsta1ker]

iDadio
that's a pretty unfair statement wouldn't you agree seeing you singled out xbox fans
as being the ones that need to spend there Money on furthering there education.

so what your saying is anyone that's not as educated as someone else... these people shouldn't have the
right to post their opinions because they don't meet your educational standards. and they shouldn't
be playing videogames thats only for educated folk such as yourself.

please get off your high horse your educational standing makes you no better than any other person or persons
there's always someone smarter🙂

[iDadio]

Untie your panties, I did not single out xbox fans that is merely the topic at hand. Would of been exactly the same if we was discussing the Playstation Pro.

And I am not saying to not post opinions, but there is a very clear correlation on BOTH sides of the fence between shite literacy and delusional bias. Its not exactly the highest of horses when I expect just a little bit of 14+ year old spelling and grammar is it, my own educational standing is hardly impressive.

[xsta1ker]

iDadio Judging by the standard of literacy on some comments I'm not buying that even 1/4 of the people claiming [day one Scorpio] purchases will actually get one. and just how many day one sony fans will be picking up the scorpio?

14+ year old spelling and grammar...well maybe that's the extent of someones educational background for whatever reason. this is not a class room and what you expect is irrelevant.

[BeOpenMinded]

Its an enticing machine. I don't think digital foundry was exaggerating when they said they had never seen a machine so customized before. Millions of people are at least interested. Just look at the popularity of the articles, people are curious and impressed. Any machine would be better spent on education btw if that what your priority is in life. I spent my college years not playing games for the most part.

[finbars75]

Not sure why you guys keep going on about the Scorpio being more over powerd then the PS4 Pro? I sure hope it is considering the Scorpio is a brand new console and the Pro was just an upgraded PS4 not a new console. If the Scorpio cant do native 60/4k then Houston we have a problem because if you want to beat the PS4 then you need to have something good under the hood or all this smoking mirrors will be for nothing.

[steveo123456]

I really do feel for you console guys with your static non upgradable hardware.

If I could I'd give you all PC's and make the world a better place.

Remember once you leave school and get a job, you too can have the freedom to join the master race and control your own destiny.

Might seem like a long time but hopefully it will go quickly what with all your Exclusives and all to play

[iDadio]

Indeed, but sadly my main component that needs an upgrade is my CPU which requires a new Motherboard and also RAM. I love PC but it doesn't half get me where it hurts.

[steveo123456]

What cpu you running now?

[iDadio]

Replied to original so you get the notification.

An i5 4670K (Socket 1150). So realistically I would need a new motherboard to get a newish i7 and I would get some new RAM due to the fact I currently have DDR3.

Dont get me wrong my rig is capable of Witcher 3 on Ultra etc (have a 1070) but its getting close to the point where the CPU can bottleneck more prominently.

[steveo123456]

Dood, that's the same CPU I run, why on earth would it need an upgrade?

There's no way it's bottlenecking a 1070, and should you feel the need for more threads just get a secondhand 4770k from eBay and sell the i5. I trust you've clocked it being a k? Mines running at 4.3 gig nice cool and stable.

[FoxyGotGame]

Be nice for devs to maximise all platforms strengths, but I guess it's become popular to blame PS4 Pro for every 3rd party untapped Xbox Scorpio game that releases in the near future, even though the 'Jaguar' based CPU is the weakest aspect of BOTH consoles. You want Native 4K/60fps consistently, build a capable PC and quit crowing. G'dang trends ..gotta love 'em /

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

Looking forward to the spin lol

[CrazedFiend]

Good! I didn't expect PS4 games to be held back because of Xbox One and I don't expect Scorpio games to be held back because of PS4 Pro. We Gamers the deserve for the envelope to be pushed no matter who's got the stronger console. If the more powerful system can be held back because of parody clauses then there's not much point of trying to make the next system stronger than the competitors.

[Captain_Tom]

I mean it's only 45% stronger, so that shouldn't be hard lol.

They made games on the X1 that was HALF as strong as the PS4 after all...

P.S. But will they be able to still put games on the OG X1? That's the real question.

[jaycptza]

one thing will decide will decide what kind of resources devs will sink into Project Scorpio... sales (a.k.a. pricing)

[gedden7]

Great to hear BUT the games WILL BE THE SAME... Subtle and Slight differences

[dilbig5]

Wouldn't it be the original xbone holding it back even more than the Pro?

[Crazyglues]

Why would he, that would be stupid, they are completely different companies... ( Microsoft -- Sony )

[MilkMan]

There not going to hold it back for PS4 Pro but they will for vanilla Xbox One users. Remember it was kinda promised by the Xbox chief. I don't think he would lie about a thing like that. would he? (winks eye)

[HeyNowChillax]

Meh, click bait BS headlines. PS4 pro will look fantastic. Scorpio will look slightly better if that like the diff between PS4 and PS4 Pro. Xbox 1 dev will hold this all up. Must there be such BS? Next year when the first real differences Scorpio shows, think PS4 Pro 1 year later after launch, the PS5 will be out. Then what!!! Nonsense.

[yeahokwhatever]

The problem with Project Cars, is that its not a fun game. It's pretty awful to play with a controller, too. I buy just about every racing game, and I will be passing on PC2. It's just not fun enough. With Forza and GT, there's no room for mediocre racing games.

[Critic4l_Strik3]

So...regular XB1/S owners will also get screwed. Nice move ;) !

[Wallstreet37]

It's sad the delusion of grandeur some of you have lol "far beyond ps4pro" I stopped reading at that point (and already knew a mister media x fanatic wrote this) as we should know better lol. Yeah yeah and that "Uber" customized cpu isn't a jaguar but some dope new tech coupled with the magical dx12 which will make everything native 4K and 60fps lol hahaha

I love this site man :)

[akaFullMetal]

That's good, every game should be de beloved the most on every system. There is no bad news about a system using it's strength.