This Is Exactly How PS4 Pro Can Enhance Your Gaming Experience

After the announcement of today’s PlayStation 4 Pro, people still seem to be confused about exactly why they should care about the brand new console. It’s important to remember that whilst the Xbox One S does have 4K capability, it’s primarily being used for its multimedia functionality.

[Valenka]

I'm honestly not interested. I don't own a 4K television and I don't plan on buying one any time soon. Personally, I don't need the PS4 Pro at all.

[hells_supernova]

I am in the same boat the performance increase is nice but again all games will be playable on my ps4 so I don't need it either.

[cleft5]

I dont own a ps4 or a 4k tv yet. So for me this is a perfect entry point.

[darthv72]

Im like you cleft. This is the ps4 for me as well.

[zeal0us]

PS4 Pro & Slim is great for those who don't own the console already and or high-end tv.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Seeing how the performance of so many games this generation has been largely underwhelming, I welcome the boosts entirely.

[freshslicepizza]

the image is highlighting the hdr impact which the ps4 slim will also support.

[badz149]

meanwhile, I'm on the look for my 2nd PS4. the Pro would be perfect. My old PS4 goes to my little bro so we can play FIFA or PES online together instead of waiting for him to come to my house. lucky I bought many digital games.

[GrimReaperGamer]

I absolutely agree. Too many people are focusing on the graphics and overall power boost. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters to me is gameplay. There are games from the 80s and 90s I'd rather play over some of the broken at launch current gen games, simply because of gameplay.

[UltimateMaster]

I do own a 4k HDR TV. I will say Sony is well-know for great upscalling even way back with the PS3 and DVDs.
Unfortunately, the lack of a UHD Blu-Ray Drive is disappointing and I will be skipping the Pro myself.
It looks more suited for people who haven't bought a PS4 yet, now they can do so with extra benefits.
The best announcement was that all PS4 "including those already sold" will get updated to support HDR for ALL PS4 games.
HDR Premium is a significantly better leap in quality and much more noticeable than 4k resolution is.
The PS4 Pro will upscale your 1080p Blu-Ray to 4k, a lot of Blu-Ray Players already have that feature and do a terrific job at upscalling as well, not nearly as great as native but close enough to claim 2k at least.
Remember, neither the PS4 Pro or the Project Scorpio will have enough power for native 4k/60fps.
We're almost there, just not quite there yet.

[SonyWarrior]

i might get it if it makes psvr graphics a lot better but other then that i wont have a hdr tv or good 4k tv for a long time so i dont care about that

[Number-Nine]

It makes little sense to spend another $200 (depending on the trade in bonus of your original ps4) if you dont own a 4k TV. Even with a 4k tv I would have a hard time justifying buying a slightly better ps4.

[Darkwatchman]

But there will be benefits for people without 4K tv's. As has been stated and confirmed with For Honor and Rise of The Tomb Raider you will have either the same exact standard ps4 assets at 4K OR you can have 1080p with the extra horsepower being used to render extra graphical effects and whatnot. Better assets. I don't know about you, but that sounds incredibly enticing to me over just a resolution bump with all the same textures and models and effects.

There's also super sampling, which will internally render the image at a higher resolution before downscaling to fit a 1080p image, which will provide sharper image quality than just native 1080p. There are benefits to ps4 pro if you don't have a 4K tv

[S2Killinit]

"slightly"?? its 4.2 teraflops versus 1.8 for the original PS4. I wouldn't call it a "slightly" more powerful console. Besides, did you know there is a wider power gap between the standard PS4 and PS4 Pro, than there is between the PS4Pro and scorpio?

scorpio only has an extra 1.8 tfps over PS4Pro, but PS4Pro has an extra 2.2 tfps over the standard PS4. If you like to notice a big power increase, PS4Pro is the way to go. By the time scorpio comes around in 14 months, people will be sort of used to its level of performance. (not that it will be bad)

[OldGuyStillGaming]

Gamestops trade in offer for the new Ps Pro is trade in your Ps4 or XOne for $125 credit towards the Ps Pro
Lolol

[donthate]

S2:

That is why you would skip PS4 Pro, and go straight to Scorpio. It's like PS4 Pro++++

[Sevir]

I don't know how someone can call 2 and a half times more powerful as "slight" improvement. 1.84tf -4.2tf is a significant boost in performance... a slight improvement is XBO to XBO S... which brings the machine from 1.3tf to 1.52tf.... According to Digital Foundry, the One S is 6-7% more powerful than the original XBO.... Thats a slight improvement because it gives the machine an upscaler for 4k and HDR...

I'm not sure how you can call a machine that offers 44% more performance than its original model, "slightly better".

It's significant. And enough to improve 1080p games to look even better, run better and deliver resolutions the previous one could not.

With that said, The Pro is marketed for those who want the best version of PS games, so if you're fine with your Base Model stick to it and quit complaining. They aren't twisting your arm buy it, for making exclusives for the Pro.

[Sparta07]

@number, what are you taking about? If you don't have a 4K tv there are definitely benefits. You get 1080p 60 frames. Plus it does true native 4K.
Slightly better? Why are you lying? It's twice as powerful as the PS4.

@ don, Scorpio hasn't even come yet. If your talking about tfps there is not much of a difference between Scorpio and PS4P. You should check your facts.

[Ding]

donthate7h ago
S2:

That is why you would skip PS4 Pro, and go straight to Scorpio. It's like PS4 Pro++++
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Really?? Where are they selling them? Is it in the same street containing the XBone + extra 20% power after Kinect was dropped .. And the XBone with the unlimited Powurz of Teh Clowdzis which means you'll never have to upgrade the hardware again.. Awa the one with XBone + Windozze 10/DX 12 the "state of the art" Windozze console?? I haven' managed to find that street yet but I know its on the Isle of Bullshit which is where the Scorpio will no doubt be sold.

BTW Redmond called, they need your help..

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[boodi]

slightly ?
2,5x more power is slightly ? 2,5 faster is slightly ?
..it is actually very likely a refined 1080x60fps on many games that struglled on ps4 ...more then enough to choose it..add in the 4k scalability as a choice , that for what I'm reading seems to go mainstream for all productions..

[Neonridr]

Yes the PS4 Pro has a much better GPU but only SELECT games will utilize the power. Not every game you pop in will suddenly look and run better. Unfortunately devs have to optimize the code for the base system. It's up to them to allow for other options to cater to those with the Pro system and/or a 4K TV.

Don't act like any old title is suddenly going to run at 60fps instead of 30fps. Sometime down the road all devs may make multiple modes for the PS4 games, but there's no guarantee. So don't get your hopes up.

[Benchm4rk]

@Sparta

It's doesn't do true native 4k. It does close to 4k then upscales the rest. At least for the more demanding games anyway. Some less demanding will no doubt do native 4k

[kraenk12]

It makes perfect sense for VR, more detailed or faster running games and especially people who don't own a PS4 yet!

[dantesparda]

@brokasfawk

Im trading in my X1 for a Pro, the thing just collects dust.

[UltimateMaster]

I highly suggest buying the new PS4 Pro over the Slim.
For the price difference you're way better off with a bulkier machine.
Save your money and wait.
Also, don't waste your money on an Xbox One S, it still can't do native 1080p.
Upscaling from 900p/720p to 4k won't be as smooth as 1800p/1440p to 4k.

For 100$ more, it's a much better console until Scorpio arrives. Save your cash for Pro/Scorpio instead.

[DafunkyRebel]

Run down to your local walmart or best buy and look at the image of their 4K tvs display. I promise you that you will want a pro

[S2Killinit]

I believe there is more to it than just resolution, you will also have a better performance in games, because its more powerful, AND it will be more apt at handling VR (which is my personal reason for wanting PS4Pro)

[nyctophilia13]

Day one for me. I have a 65 inch 4k OLED and PSVR on preorder. My wife isn't gonna see me until next spring lololol

[XanderZane]

Yes, but only if the developers patch it into their games after the PS4 Pro is released. Otherwise, the games will still run exactly as they did on the original PS4.

[Orbilator]

Yeah i agree vr boost sounds good to me

[Valkron1]

PSVR is the best reason to get the PS4 Pro. Morphious needs Neo!

[diegoarlek]

Did you even read the article. There are benefits that aren't 4K related..

[iTechHeads]

You don't need a 4K TV to take advantage of the PS4 Pro.
PS4P offers improved graphics and/or performance even on a 1080p display. How much improvement will depend on the game.

Edit: Like others have said, PS4 Pro is great for those who don't even have a PS4 yet. So many people are still playing on PS3s and Xbox 360s....

[feraldrgn]

From the article, for people with less than 4K HDTV's:

"If you have a 1080p display (or lower)

You will not be able to play games in any resolution higher than 1080p. But games will be able to super sample and deliver a cleaner image
Games may also have better graphics or better frame rates"

[jobboy]

games MUST have better framerate on pro!

[JamesBroski]

You will have to buy one anyway. Because game will become near unplayable on the original.

[GamingIVfun]

I understand why some without a 4k tv would pass but even on 1080p TV's supersampling (rendering at 4k or 2k and then downscaling) and temporal anti aliasing looks really good, nearly as good as as true 4k, especially with a screen you don't sit close to like a monitor, to be honest even on a monitor Supersampling looks really good. But still would not have HDR, but setting your TV to gaming mode or dynamic mode when gaming kinda simulates HDR, not nearly as good but similar. I have 4K TV so I will getting a PS4 Pro, but their is a very noticeable difference even on a 1080p TV.

[assdan]

Probably not going to get one just because I don't personally see it as a big enough upgrade. I buy most things on my PC anyways.

[TimelessDbz]

Then why did you even bother commenting let alone clicking the article? If you have no intention of buying it why do feel the need to tell us that? WE DON'T CARE

[CorndogBurglar]

Its a comment page. I don't personally care if you do plan to buy it.

[camel_toad]

That BS of a mock-up screen shot comparison is pretty laughable. I played the beautiful Uncharted 4 and don't remember it looking like it was slapped with 20-years-of-cigarette-smoke stains.

http://drawn2digital.devian...

[Artemidorus]

Think 4K is a culture issue not a gaming issue.

When regular channels provide 4K, when gaming becomes regular upscaled 4K/4K gaming

Only then will people feel the need for change until then I also have no interest.

[MasterCornholio]

1080P isn't even the standard where I live. Most local TV channels are not even HD. The ones that are render at 720P or 1080i.

I live in Spain.

[HAHAHAHAHAHAHA]

@mastercornholio
720p or 1080i tv? That must be a "Spain" in the arse :P haha sorry had to be done :)

[InTheZoneAC]

I have a 4k TV. I also have blurays and had planned on buying UHD blurays with the assumption ps4 pro was going to support it. Now I'm hearing some devs, like Bioware are opting for better graphics, even upscaled bs, instead of going for higher fps for the Pro and that makes it even less appealing to me.

If the game isn't 1080p locked 60fps on ps4 then it better be on pro. No one cares about some geekery fake upscaled 4k/30fps on AAA games. I want 60fps...

[XanderZane]

That's pretty much why I'm waiting until next year. I'm happy with my current PS4. This PS4 Pro will be doing mostly 4K upscaling and not true 4K native anyways. It's basically will make older games look prettier, but not increase their performance by much. Why they didn't include the 4K UHD Blu-Ray drive is beyond me. Give you fans a choice Sony. Let them decide for themselves. Same crap with EA Access. For gamers who don't own a PS4 at all, yes this is the perfect opportunity to get one with the PS4 Pro.

[jmac53]

Apparently most games will have the same framerate between the standard and pro, which has me disinterested. I was planning on buying a 4k tv next year but at this point, I might as well wait for the Scorpio since I don't have an Xbox One.

[dantesparda]

Why? Scorpio wont be 4K/60fps, it'll barely do native 4K/30fps. Some of you guys are such dips.

[geddesmond]

I don't own a 4K TV either but the PS4 Pro is something im interested in getting if 4k becomes the standard. I want as much power in my Playstation as possible. Fallout 4 mods not being on playstation yet is supposed to be downn to memory restrictions. I wouldnt have that with the PS4 Pro. But im still not going to waste about 1000k euro just for better graphics.

[Rhythmattic]

Thats an expensive setup.!
Insert a "Miiillionn dollaaaaars" joke......
Think you meant 1K... as in 1000..

[ssj27]

If i can sale my ps4 for $200 and get the pro for $200 it will be like i paid $600 for my play. Which is wjat i paid for the ps3 . Not bad if i see it that way. The problem is i dont have a 4k hdr tv and i rarely use my ps4. Will used it more for the last guardian and horizon. Can get uncharted 4 at a discount price. But after that. I don't see any other game I'm really looking for. There is no socom no motorstorn. Idk maybe play older games at discount price but they all seem boring

[frostypants]

Cool story, bro.

[Orbilator]

I do own a 4k tv and so its pro all the way for me. Looking forward to it.

[PixelOmen]

The fact that Sony failed to emphasize was that you don't need a UHD/HDR TV to get something out of the PS4 Pro. A lot (or at least some) games will offer enhanced visuals or increased framerates instead of the UHD support, like Rise of the Tomb Raider. Most people just seem to think it's only for UHD which means that Sony really blew it with the messaging at that announcement.

[mt]

graphic is fine for me, I'll pass it till PS5 comes, unless my ps4 dies sooner than PS5.

[BlakHavoc]

@S2killinit

That's a very good point, I didn't even think about the fact that the PS4 to PS4P is a greater jump than the Pro to Scorpio. How much of a difference can that 2.2 make? Honest question...

[DafunkyRebel]

you can still buy it and play games on your 1080p TV with enhance processing for less lagging and higher fps because of the higher specs allowing the games to run smoother than the standard ps4

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

I have a 4k HDR ready TV so I'll be picking up the PRO. I can understand how someone without a 4k HDR ready TV would not buy a Pro.

[EpicSandwich]

I have a 4k tv but the upgrade just isn't there. Noway I'm selling my ps4 for a slightly more powerful console that doesn't even have a 4k blue ray player

I'm sorry dragon and twoforce am I saying anything wrong. Sony didn't just let me down, they let down millions of Sony fans, the reveal was basically as bad as the 2013 xbox one reveal except the neo is actually much weaker this time around

[DragonDDark]

Oh please stop. You've said this type of BS for like 100 times already.

[TwoForce]

Yeah, you're annoying.

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

"Millions of Sony fans"

hahahaha
When would people just stop talking like if they know everyone

[DigitalRaptor]

This was honestly comedy gold, and then it dawned on me that he's actually serious.

They let down "millions" of Sony fans, according to what actual source? The millions of people that will buy their console(s) and continue to ensure that they continue to be market leader, selling 5-10 million PS4 Pro units a year before the Scorpio even hits stores and makes less of an impact than most fanboys are expecting it to?

The PS4 Pro reveal event was as bad as the 2013 Xbox One reveal in what conceivable, measurable, anti-consumer, non-gaming manner? What metric did you use to judge the Xbox One reveal event, because a power differential was not the thing most people were focused on and angry about at the time, and I think you know that.

Be real, or GTFO.

[zombiewombie]

I was down on the lack of 4K BLuray player as well but then I remembered that 4k blurays cost from 30-40 bucks. I'm OK with it not having the player

[Doabarrelroll]

Epic please just shut up already, your full of crap. Even if the PS4 pro was announced with 10TF, 8K gaming and a date with a movie star, you'd STILL trash it. It's no secret your a clear Xbox fanboy and a delusional one as well.

This is what annoys me about you guys, your all the same " I own both consoles, I know what PS fans want" no you don't, you and every other Xbox troll that's running around lately don't know what we want and don't own PS4s either. At least the Sony trolls are honest about not owning an Xbox. You guys all lie and then try to act like you know what your talking about, but end up looking like morons.

I can't wait for the damage control come NOV

[Trez1234]

Do you even know what "slightly" means? More than double the power isn't slightly. you guys must be PR :).

As bad as 2013? TV this TV that, always online, no used copies of games etc.. yeah, the neo reveal was as bad as that :/

[kraenk12]

You're one of the biggest fanboys on here Castillo...you wouldn't buy a PS4 if it had 10 TF!

[Angeljuice]

You make endless incorrect, highly biased statements about how shit everything Sony does is. We get it!

The Pro is a lot more powerful than the standard console, and according to digital foundry "punches well above its weight", meaning it's even more impressive in the flesh than it should be on paper.

The reveal was not nearly as bad as the X1 reveal, and as it's a mid gen refresh, it wasn't nearly as crucial to get right either.

Just get yourself an XB1s to play your huge range of 4k Blu-ray films and stop whining.

[Orbilator]

Blu ray is dead for me i stream or purchase all my content digitally. Even games. No 4k blu ray means nothing to me at all .

Edit : and yeah your annoying. Millions of sony fans told me you were

[UltimateMaster]

@XiKurapikaKurta
I can read the comment section on PS Blog, people are disappointed, myself included.
I'm not here to defend EpicSandwich, just giving my toughs on it too.
The lack of 4k Blu-Ray is a disappointment for me too. Knowing HDR will be compatible with my current PS4, it reassures my investment. I'll wait for the PS5, in the mean time, I'll get a Scorpio.
No, I won't buy 2-3 consoles every 3-4 years. I'll just choose the best option available.
I'll still be buying God of War, Horizon and Spiderman.
Now Sony has to make up for their time on the throne, show us they want out money and listen to our feedback.
If they choose to make a new PS4 Pro model with a 4k Blu-Ray Player then I'll get it.

[UltimateMaster]

@zombiewombie
"I was down on the lack of 4K BLuray player as well but then I remembered that 4k blurays cost from 30-40 bucks. I'm OK with it not having the player"

Wrong. These blu-ray only Upscale your Current 1080p Blu-Ray to 4k. It's not a 4k HDR UHD Blu-Ray Player.
That's a different format. It's the difference between upscale and native resolution. native>upscale.
The real ones are few and far between starting at 300$ or more.

PS4 Pro's up-scaling technique are quite impressive and it's the best way to maximize the visuals without breaking your wallet like a 1200$ GPU will. (But will run better native 4k and in 60fps rather than 30fps)

Also, the PS4 Pro WILL upscale current 1080p Blu-Rays to 4k. It says so in the ultimate faq.
http://blog.us.playstation....

[xPhearR3dx]

I honestly don't understand how people are that into the Pro to begin with. Especially if they're interested in 4K gaming. This generation barley did 1080p and 60FPS and now most games are 1080p 30FPS. You're not going to be seeing native 4K gaming on consoles for a LONG TIME. If you're that interested in 4K gaming, you should just build a PC. I know A LOT of people on this site try to act like PC's are so complicated, but especially in the time we live, getting into PC gaming is pretty simple. I play my PC games just like I do my PS4 games. In my big ass comfy lazyboy with a PS4 controller. I just get a better experience on PC with better graphics, performance and mods.

Being a former console only gamer, I COMPLETELY understand how it feels to be like "PC gaming isn't that great, or it sucks, or it's too complicated" But I finally decided to give it a go and I'll never go back to owning just a console. It's like when people tell you, you don't understand how great VR is without trying it yourself. Same thing can be said for PC gaming.

[GamingTruth]

I love these types of comments and i'd like to once and for all answer this question for all to here, so here's my reasons for people not just 'getting a pc' and it's not because 'pc is dyeing' or 'it's too hard' but for one, people just dont want to look like nerds; i mean have you seen yourselves? When i see pc fan nerds in gaming events and even in their own gaming setups playing your corny games, im like, "no, that's never going to be me" so yeah, that's reason number one for me, reason number 2 is quite simple; for generation after generation on the playstation side, pc definitely wins the graphics battle in multiplats which isnt what sonys building these systems for YET, but it's just to me, when i look at the exclusive titles from sony on playstation systems and see the so called 'better graphics' and 'miles better infinitely better pc graphics' no matter what resolution or frame rate, it just never seems to wow me like what i get from the likes of playstation exclusives, so why do i want to get a playstation pro and not just get a pc? First pc needs to get on screen for me to see that looks near uncharted 4 and other ps4 exclusives, but the fact that ps4 pro will have the ability to take up the already best looking games on any platorm to new heights; the better question by my is, "why get a pc?"

[NXSwitch]

1080 @60 is a gimmick they were riding all along! Your right, in the next year or so we will see the real 1080 @60 & then 10yrs plus to see 4k @ 60. How the mighty has fallen!

[COMMENT-OF-THE-YEAR]

If I could give you a standing ovation I would. You are going to get down votes from Pro Scorpio supporters or anyone who thinks PS4 Pro games will be native but the truth is PC that are higher spec then both machines have issues even doing this constantly still.

[kevnb]

its a better ps4 for a reasonable price. I think the marketing has been a complete failure.

[Angeljuice]

I was primarily a PC gamer for years. I got fed up with the constant fiddling around with everything, compatibility issues and constantly upgrading parts which are outdated a month after release.
I still game on PC, but much prefer the ease of use and ecosystem of console gaming.

[DigitalRaptor]

I'm shaking my head at both replies to BLKxSEPTEMBER here.

Not sure which one is worse.

The one that claims the Pro's benefits over the original are "slight" (which is nothing short of embarrassingly delusional), or the one that thinks people can't understandably be excited for a more powerful console that actually can do native 4K gaming, and can also convincingly upscale a lower resolution via checkerboard rendering and still output the image quality that a 4KTV will benefit from. Checkerboard rendering is not going to make upscaled 4K content less desirable at all. The early impressions make that abundantly clear.
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@ EpicSandwich

I'll just add... you talk about having a 4KTV...... so why were you so excited about boasting the Xbox One S and using "4K upscaling" as part of its feature set, when you don't even need an XB1 S to upscale games to 4K since the television could do that for you, and also a launch XB1 would have its content upscaled to 4K in the same way?
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@ xPhearR3dx

Lately, I've never been more disgusted by people lying about PS4 than I ever have been.

I suggest you do your research, find the evidence that is out there.

I'll provide you with one such example and it's all the proof I need:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

I shouldn't have to, but I'll go 2 steps further:
http://www.videogamer.com/p... https://www.reddit.com/r/Ga...

It is capable and will have some games running native 4K. Deal with it and stop misleading.

[xPhearR3dx]

Ummm the PS4 doesn't do native 4K. It's all being upscaled.

[Sevir]

The PS4 Pro does Native... Rise of the TR on The Pro is VERY much Native... that's one of the graphic options the game has on the Pro... and Sony has confirmed there WILL be native 4k games but not all software will be Native... The Last of US on Pro will be 4K Native.

Don't listen to miss informed trolls on N4G

[LiViNgLeGaCY]

Lmfao! Oh my god you embarrassed him! Haha.

[Princess_Pilfer]

Part of that is a misnomer. The fancy upscaling won't make it look *better* at 4k, it will *stop* it looking as bad as 1080p normally does when upscaled with simpler techniques (which tends to distort things and/or create pixilation or jaggies along edges.) It won't look better, it will preserve most of the image quality by blurring lines where it would otherwise be pixilated.

There may be extra detail on the upscaled PS4 pro versions, but it will be because they're using the better gpu to render more detail at 1080p, not because displaying it at 4k will make it look better. There will be some games that manage native 4k/30, but don't expect it often (as pretty as The Last of Us is it also doesn't have to render very much at a time, it's mostly tight areas they can load in the background and fancy skyboxing, which is probably why it can do 4k/30. Most games don't fit that description.)

[Sevir]

@Forum Everyone of the games that has a 4k resolution on Pro aren't rendered at 1080p in 4k mode, it's rendered at 1800p, 1890p, 1980p, 2070p and 3240 x 2160p resolutions natively with high quality AA, then these images are ran through a 4k buffer using Parallax Processing and Checkerboard Rendering Image reconstruction... it's an advanced and sophisticated algorithm for upscaling that renders half of the 4k image natively, the vertical lines of the image. While using a procedural generation to recreate the horizon lines of the image to display a 4k image all together that is only slightly less sharp.
This is a rendering tool baked into the PS4 Pro at no power cost, so devs can deliver some impressive effects at their game with proper optimizations...

Graphic intensive games like Uncharted 4, Spiderman, Horizon, and ME:Andromeda all utilize this at different native resolutions which are much higher than 1080p to achieve 4K... while Some games like For Honor and Rise of the Tomb Raider pair back effects and render at a raw uncompressed Native 4k, with 4k mode. So do some research.

This machine may not be a Native capable for all AAA games but even that will Come down to Debs and their engine... it's balanced but powerful machine delivering 4K and at a cost effective price that out performs 80% of PCs currently

[Princess_Pilfer]

@Sevir then the extra detail is from the higher rendering resolution, it's still not the upscaling. The upscaling results in a loss of detail. That's why the edges appear soft. That really doesn't undermine my point at all. It's doing exactly what i said it is, minimizing the loss of detail from traditional upscaling, not adding detail to put it in line with native 4k. I can do basically the same thing on my PC right now with similar effects, if I wanted to install ubisoft games. I don't, but it is an option.

It depends as much or more on what type of game it is. Anything that manages native 4k with that little power will either be taking a serious hit to the effects, it won't be especially demanding in the first place, or it will be rendering very tight levels so it doesn't have to render much at a time. The engine and the skill of the devs are not as important when compared to how much the card actually has to render at one time, where skill and the engine come in will be in keeping that as low as possible using whatever clever rendering techniques or level design they can come up with to manage that.

It's also worth noting, you can get better performance and visuals out of a PC at the same resolutions for 150 more dollars, assuming you get nothing on sale, use no mail in rebates, don't sell your old parts, and generally do nothing but pick cost effective parts to drive down the price further, which you should. So if it's better than "80%" of gaming PCs, it's because those gaming PCs are old toaster. http://pcpartpicker.com/lis...

Maybe, you know, pay attention to what I said and what my point was before telling me off sweetie.

Oh, wait, I got a better one. http://pcpartpicker.com/lis...
You can get an i5 2500k for as low as 20 bucks and compatable motherboard for 45 off ebay, bringing it down to 445, a 50 usd price gap if we blatantly ignore the price of PS+ which will ad a bare minimum of 100 usd to the price tag of the PS4 pro over it's life time, making it the *more* expensive and *less* powerful option. See, my rx480 is actually quite capable of 4k/30 (or 3100 by 1800 or whatever other resolution) if I want it to be, but I'd have to turn down setting to console levels of detail, but I don't. I'd rather the higher detail and framerate.

[inmusicutrust]

One of the issues is that most if not all tvs with 4k are smart tv's so there's not really any point in 4k Netflix streaming when my tv already does that. So all the 4k streaming aspects seem redundant and it has to rely on just the improved gaming capabilities, which frankly dont seem great enough to pay the extra money. Maybe if it had a larger HD(really was hoping for 2TB) and/or 4k blue ray player.

[The_Devil_Hunter]

Oh my goodness! Yes! Finally someone mentions the same mind boggling decision by Sony. I recently bought a 4K TV, X940D I believe. And this TV already upscales content to 4K. I'm not sure if all content really is being up scaled but at least that's the claim by Sony. The TV itself is fantastic but the thing is that it already allows for you to stream 4K content via netflix and youtube. I honestly do not understand the decision behind not having this device be UHD disc compatible. I honestly think that sony did not expect Microsoft to bring out an Xbox One S with a UHD player. By the time Microsoft announce it, it was already too late. Having said that, what is the point of the pro? It does nothing but slightly makes games look better, they will only be upscaled. Then again, why did I expect such big improvements. I'm sure sony will get back on track when PS5 is released heck they might be crazy enough to release a PS4 Pro +

[kraenk12]

It's a huge difference if a game gets upscaled from 1440p or so or 900p as with the other console.

[DafunkyRebel]

this is a gaming console though, so its not about just the streaming or uhd. You have to remember the pro enhances graphics and rendering not just the display. Meaning if you play a game on ps4 it will have pop ups in the distance in a level but on the pro that object would be rendered ahead of time so the draw distance is ten times that of the current console

[S2Killinit]

I can't imagine Uncharted 4 being any more beautiful, BUT i would like to be wrong (:

[TheColbertinator]

No. Maybe if...no.

[WheatBread]

If those ps4 exclusives run at 60fps I'll get one.

[DragonDDark]

Some will, some won't.

Games like witcher 3 for example won't cause you know... witcher 3.

[GamingTruth]

Well nothing else can run ps4 exclusives at 60fps, so i still dont see how you're loosing getting ps4 pro.

[Der_Kommandant]

I have a special affection for my launch ps4 and for me aren't enough reasons to upgrade.

[JayPi3]

It looks neat but in all honesty I need to see some frame rate comparisons between a couple games before I decide to buy this baby for performance.

[The_Devil_Hunter]

Me too, I'm still on the fence on this one, I really wanted to get one but sony didn't do it for me.

[Sharky231]

I really think the people the pro was made for are the psvr crowd and the 4K crowd. I think everyone else will be on the wait till later wagon. I'll probably wait till February to get one. I also believe the tech junkies crowd could possibly be interested in it. In a way I think Sony knew that at this time there is a small crowd for the pro. That's why no 4K bluray player built in. The good thing is everyone has two options.

[BattleAxe]

Pro is a console that doesn't play 4K UHD, and upscales games to 4K resolution instead of native 4K. Honestly, there's almost no point in this console. I mean, what kind of 4K console is this supposed to be anyway LMAO.

You can buy an Xbox One S for $299.00, and it does play 4K UHD, and it also upscales games to 4K resolution. The Xbox One S is a better deal all around.

[Sevir]

LMAO! People who've convinced themselves of this is delusional, to think a 1.52tf console struggling to run games at 900p at 30fps is better than a machine that does both native 4k and next generation upscaling 4k (Parallax processing and Checkerboard image rendering) at higher Native resolutions simply because it has a 4k scaled and UHD drive in its box....

How on earth can anyone be that delusional? How does the Pro with 78% performance boost over the XBO and XBO S considered worse?

900p with standard 4k upscaling the same used in 4k TVs looks somehow provides better image quality than 1800p rendered with checkerboard rendering and parallax processing?

[BattleAxe]

Pro is 4K in a kinda sorta way, and in others, it's not. You can talk about checker boards all you want, but when Scorpio comes out, we'll be talking about chess boards. Sony just played a really poor game of checkers, while Microsoft played a grand game of chess. It's true..oh it's so true!

[Keltech]

Wow!! Battleaxe you are surely special. You need two to play chess and checkers. The Scorpio is not showing up to play, must have forfeit.... Typical!!

[jznrpg]

Xbox fans have been convincing themselves of stuff all gen, Kinect 2, Cloud, DX12 savior, now add UHD into a old xb1 and its king. They should be asking for better games , imo.

[Germany7]

And why i will buy a console without exclusives? That's pointless.

[Roronoa0411]

xbox1s upscales from 900p.. PS4Pro upscales from 1440p or 1800p with enhanced graphical effects and sturdier frame rates. The 4K upscale is also baked into the hardware so there is no power taken away from the devs. Completely different and the PS4 Pro comes out as a significantly better product for only $100 more.

As for the scorpio microsoft are in a bad position. Not only will there be way more PS4Pro's out there leading to more people wanting a PS4 to play with there friends, it will also be a hell of a lot cheaper considering it's only $399 at the moment. The final point is that you won't be able to see much difference considering all games are being made with OG PS4 and Xbox1 in mind and won't be able to take full advantage of the hardware leading to the scorpio power advantage being totally meaningless.

[Rhythmattic]

You forget, compared to the equivalent One S 1Tb SKU , The Pro is only $50 more.

[Redx165]

I rather have 60 FPS to be honest...

[iTechHeads]

I'm gonna have to replay TLOU and U4 later this year on the PS4 Pro.
I just hope Destiny gets a Pro update since I'm starting to get back into it...

[Goldby]

destiny will for sure. the amount of handy's and gummings activision is giving Sony and vise versa it would be a shame if you didnt find at least one sticky napkin after their meetings

[iTechHeads]

I heard Bungie is hard at work on Destiny 2 though so maybe they won't bother?
Rise Of Iron comes out right before the cut-off date for mandatory Neo(PS4 Pro) patch....

[captainexplosion]

I (and probably 95% of people) would much rather the Pro focus on 1080P/60FPS and improved VR.

[DragonDDark]

They are focusing on both cause Pro isn't just a 4k gaming machine. It's for everybody who owns a 720p tv or higher.

[iTechHeads]

It does, depending on the game.
You have to understand that the developers will choose what they will do with the extra horsepower. Rise Of The Tomb Raider has many 3 different modes at various resolutions/frame rate. I expect more games to follow this route to appease not only 4K Tv owners but 1080p TV owners.

[DrJones]

I hope you are right. I only have 1080p and don't want them to waste power on resolution exclusively

[Starman69]

Sony has teased us and got us gamers talking for sure!! The machine will do what the public wants. 1080p 60fps. Its gunna happed because its the obvious direction, and because theyre pushing vr sales ( all good!!). And 4k telly's.

[Roronoa0411]

If tomb raider is anything to go by most games will have the option

[alfcrippinjr]

4k is crap its rich mans toy

im happy with blu ray

[Dan_scruggs]

I love the clearly faked screenshot that is not at all representative of the actual enhancements that will come with the seemingly pointless PS4 Pro.

[DragonDDark]

Lol Pointless.

4.2 teraflops is not "pointless"

[Dan_scruggs]

BUT BUT BUT the Teraflops... That's what you sound like.

[InTheZoneAC]

I feel like these comparison screens just show the absolute worst muddy picture when comparing to the new "cool" thing.

I was excited for Pro until I found out it has no UHD bluray support, but can we get some "fair" comparisons, not a muddy blurred image compared to the new and improved pic?

[BlakHavoc]

I've said it before and ill say it again, give me xbox hardware with ps4 software, and I'm a happy man.

[bolimekurac]

well you can also plug your ps4 into the xbox one s and upscale your games that way, they look much better

[kraenk12]

Why would you like the games to run slower at lower resolutions?!

[bolimekurac]

what are you talking about, games on the xbox one s when upscaled to 4k look better then the same games on the ps4 . the ps4 when plugged into the xos then upscaled to 4k look better then without it. there is no lag. im doing it as we speak

[Roronoa0411]

upscaled from 900p with xbox doing the upscaling... vs ps4 native 1080p and let the 4K tv upscale the image. PS4 image quality still wins out.

[bolimekurac]

whatever floats your boat

[joethetimelord]

Nah, I'll wait for 8K within the next five years and cash in on that fad. Incrementally upgrading consoles is a mistake if there is no peripheral option. Why pay 400 bucks for an entirely new machine if it's just for a GPU upgrade? Why not just sell me the GPU itself for 100, Expansion Pak style?

[WelkinCole]

For me it is simple. If more games run at 1080p @60fps then I will upgrade.

For me its not the graphics but the frames.

[melonfarm3r]

I'm honestly not trying to troll here. I own a PS4 and quite like the idea of Pro if I have some spare cash but...

To me, all of these screenshot comparisons look like someone just turned up the brightness. Maybe it's my eyesight lol.

[esmittystud101]

I'm thinking maybe Pro can help games like Just Cause 3 with frame rates. JC3 has sat on my shelf since basically launch because of that issue. I know the game can get repetitive at times, but that's when I just sit it down and play something else and then come back later. Hopefully, Pro can let it hold a solid 30 fps hopefully.

[DarXter]

I would consider it if most of my favorite games get a boost in fps (bloodborne, dark souls, witcher). Boost in resolution does not matter that much to me to upgrade. Still, if I did not own a ps4 yet I would buy the pro over the regular one.

[Maxor]

"You will not be able to play games in any resolution higher than 1080p. But games will be able to super sample and deliver a cleaner image"

Crap like this is why Sony did such a piss poor job at their press conference. They failed to point out a clear difference in image quality between the PS4 Peasant and the PS4 Pro. I have zero interest in a 4k super sample image at 1080p, that is a huge disappointment. I don't think that is what the PS Pro actually offers. What I do want is vastly improved texture resolutions, shader effects and frame rates. Stuff that actually matters to the gameplay experience.

Sony need to get their asses out there and take control of the narrative before garbage sites like this starts spreading half truths and speculations.

[Keltech]

I'm perplexed. why is an Xbox fanboy worried about Sony's public image

[Maxor]

Because I'm not a Xbox fanboy and have never owned a Xbox? Shocking!

[kraenk12]

They clearly explained the process. You probably didn't listen.

[Bolts]

If by explained you mean vague generalities without any real specifics with compare and contrasts then yes they explained.

For example will Bloodborne run at 60 FPS now? Or will it run at a "stable" 30 FPS? They basically made a premium console without detailing exactly what that premium is.

[Maxor]

They explained nothing. Look up and down the comments section. There are multiple questions are regarding performance in AAA games. What Sony actually said is what the Pro *may* offer, not what it can actually do.

[kraenk12]

They clearly stated what enhancements for older games will be made is entirely up to the developers.

[Roronoa0411]

Don't worry they only really pay attention to xbox news while skimming the PS4 news and then pretend to know what they are talking about.

[x_BlackRose]

Can anyone tell me if the PS4 Pro will run GTA V at 1080/60?

[mad-dog]

Seems like the ideal 1080P machine for my projector. You tend to see jaggies a bit faster on a 100+ inch screen.
Will buy one and sell my normal PS4.

[Viryu]

I'm not planning on buying a 4k TV, just not enough space for anything bigger. Still, gonna wait some time after the premiere of Pro and see if developers honestly work on HDTVs better framerate or graphics or whatnot.

[Livecustoms]

meh.

[kevnb]

I think the marketing for this has been terrible. Most people dont even know what hdr is and probably wont get a tv that supports it anytime soon. Why isn't Sony focusing on what they can do for what people have right now? They should be able to hit 1080p and 60 fps on every game now with the pro, I think this is worth the premium.

[fitfox]

at this point i just want 60fps

[C-H-E-F]

You all are making this complicating, Remember Killzone Shadow Fall? Remember what they did to upscale the MP to 1080p? Remember that lawsuit for not being "native" 1080p. Remember all of that? Sony has basically formulated the same exact kind of concept and is applying that to 4k. The games wont run in "native" 4k, but it will run in 4k.

However, I think you all are missing a HUGE plus from the pro... this means every game on the ps4 that is 720/900p will now be 1080p standard. that in itself is a must have..

[mechlord]

uh...these articles again...moviing on.

[iluvmaPS3]

Not gonna get the pro. I'll just wait til 2017 for the ps5 lol this is sad

[Mroc13]

I don't own a 4k tv yet and probably won't be getting one anytime soon. I'll still get the Pro though and give my brother my PS4. Hopefully devs take advantage of the power for the non 4K people as well

[DivineAssault]

I have a 4K 65in TV but ill need someone to buy my original first if im to buy this. The new controller i want for sure though

[Masta Kaos]

I'm still getting the PS4 Pro...I'm not disappointed because this It's still current gen so I'll buy it and carry on gaming...These gaming politics and bedroom n basement specialists are starting to annoy me.

[Chinkyinc18]

So, $400 is a one-time fee to play 'remastered' PS4 games? Seem as this cycle will be known as the "Remastered Gen".

[oasdada]

I am interested in hdr and ps4 is getting it through an update so im good

[Rhezin]

Nope. Still not interested. And honestly people who buy into this .5 console crap shouldn't be either. Exercise some patience and wait for PS5, don't let this become the new trend like apple does with their damn iPhone iterations every six-nine months.

[daynnight365]

Maybe next yr I'll hop on the pro, but I'm not gonna be an early adopter

[BlakHavoc]

UC4 has the most stunning visuals I've ever seen in a video game, as soon as I get a 4k tv this will the first game I play on a PSP.

[hillsht]

They can pretend that the Pro's hardware is adequate for 4k but honestly, as a PC gamer who sees the latest stuff coming out, the Pro nor the Neo are going to cut it. It will most likely be "upscaled 4k" or whatever you want to call it. Either way, Sony's gamble on 4k is a bad move, IMO.