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Sony responds to fans calling for a #BetterPSN

Sony tells GamesBeat that it is listening to you.

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ColManischewitz3213d ago

My question is whether PSN has structural issues, or if it faces so many DDoS attacks that it can't effectively defend itself.

yarbie10003213d ago

It's not missing so many features that are standard on XBL due to DDoS

The slow download speeds many run into every day aren't the result of DDoS attacks

And I don't think the PSN system has gone down 9 times in 5 weeks due to DDoS

Rimeskeem3213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

It hasnt gone down 8 times in 5 weeks.... at least, it's only gone down for me like twice at most.

Seriously, that guy is known to be a hardcore xbox fanboy. If PSN has gone 9 times in the past 5 weeks, it certainly hasnt affected everyone.

did you edit the comment to say don't or is that a typo

also, just look at this

https://downdetector.com/st...

https://downdetector.com/st...

they both have their problems

yarbie10003213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

Proof its gone down 8 times in 5 weeks.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

And it went down last night which makes 9.
https://twitter.com/AskPlay...

Majin-vegeta3213d ago

Lol way to link to your own video.

Also out of all those times only once I wasnt able to log in which is the outage that happend the other day.Just cuz someone reports it;s down doesnt meant it's for everyone.

extermin8or3213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

Ummm psn has been down once and had some sisues for like half an hour in past month... Seems more likely your internet service providr is to blame for your issues.... Also I bet you complin about parts of the network going down for a few hours (like account management etc) for the maintenance work and upgrades to servers etc that are meant to prevent future problems and keep the service running aswell despite the advance notice they give of these events.)

kevnb3213d ago

DDoS attacks take services down.

Genuine-User3213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

Notice how most of the complaints are from shady characters. Lol
Reading some of the stuff here is pure gold. So much concern :p

KevWriter3213d ago

And heeeeeres Yarbie! Right on cue.

Rookie_Monster3213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

Wow, nice video find there yarbie. I would have never know PSN went down that many times within a 5 week windows for some people as I never experienced that many times when I logged in to the network over that time span. I am on PSN almost everyday playing Bloodborne, Helldivers, MK X, and NBA 2k15 for the past months and I only been down like once during that time span for like 30 minutes as far AS I can recalled. I don't think this affect everyone as maybe it is regional or specific Internet provider that is the cause of it from players to players. PSN have always been pretty stable for me.

xHeavYx3213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

@rookie
"I would have never know PSN went down that many times within a 5 week windows"
Made up numbers don't count.
Yarbie linking a video to that Red Dragon guy shows how "serious" he is. That YT channel bashes Sony as much as Mr. X.

fr0sty3213d ago

Gotta love the fact that most of those requests aren't even PSN related, like organizing the library which is a firmware issue, as is the notifications when people come online. The "Other bug fixes" was the part that cracked me up the most. When you can't even specify what it is you are complaining about, it's time to STFU.

Pogmathoin3213d ago

Occasionally I get a log in error with Xbox live, buut it works on second attempt, but lately have noticed PSN having many login attempts to get on..... Maybe just my end or serious issues??

IndieMonth3213d ago

@yarbie1000

That's not proof. Sites report downtimes all the time when nothing is down. They do the same thing with XBL.

PSN has issues, but that video just tries to make it look much worse than it is.

ShinMaster3213d ago

@ yarbie1000

"missing so many features"

...which are?

And I don't think you know how DDoS attacks can affect networks. Of course they slow down network performance.

showtimefolks3213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

Yarbie

On every ps4 article you never ever say anything positive. If you dislike the ps4 so much, why not don't click on the article and just read Xbox one articles

I wonder how you have all these bubbles?

Also good posting links of your own videos, seriously why so salty?

Rookie

Please don't. Many of us know your hateful comments towards ps4. So don't try to be deceiving.

What sort of people who don't plan on buying a ps4 keep making comments on every ps4 article. I mean get the console first than if you actually have issues than talk

S M H

donthate3213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

The reasons given for betterPSN is kind of lame. I mean, sure they are convenient, but hardly enough to start a movement. Sure Xbox Live has those things and it is nice, but again minor polish really. PSN lacks in other areas way more behind the competition.

What I would react on, which I see nobody questioning, and instead focus on resolution that is barely noticeable if at all, is the lack of promise of REAL dedicated server on multiplayer games.

Not that BS proxy servers (they call dedicated servers) between P2P connection that actually degrades the service to below P2P service.

Don't take my word for it, see it for yourself directly from Sony:

"What is Killzone Shadow Fall’s multiplayer network structure like?
Killzone Shadow Fall has dedicated servers hosted in various regions around the world. These servers do not run the logic of the game – they only act as a hub between the clients, forwarding network traffic from one player in game to all other players in game. This allows people with a slower connection or strict firewall settings to play without issues. Almost all logic relating to you (e.g. moving, shooting and taking damage) runs on your local PS4, with only a very small portion of the game logic (i.e. mission/scoring logic) running on the ‘session master’, one PS4 in the game selected for its connection quality."

http://blog.us.playstation....

Demand that you get REAL dedicated servers on all first party games on PSN from Sony like on Xbox Live!!!

Dee_913213d ago

@ShinMaster
really?... Talk about completely taken out of context lol.

OT
Not sure how this got twisted into an issue with maintenance downtime.Judging by the request, downtime wasn't the reason for this hashtag.The only person who drew that conclusion was the author of this article..

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3213d ago

It hasn't gone down 9 times in the past 5 weeks. PSN was completely down 4 times in the last 90 days and had issues with Playstation Now 3 times in the last 90 days. The 9 times figure is completely MADE UP.

CantBeStopped3213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

@yarbie

You know yarbie just saying random things and making up supposed numbers does not make it a fact. By the way many standard features that have been a part of PS4 since its launch are either not on xbxo or have only recently became available on xbxo so lets try putting your bias aside for a moment and be fair when it comes to the complaints about the consoles.

Milkshake3212d ago

As usual, yarbie and his nonsense!
I wonder how you got all those bubbles! Did you hack the site or something?!

sinspirit3212d ago

You are counting scheduled maintenance times.

Whatever pushes your numbers, right?

freshslicepizza3212d ago

now that sony collects revenue off of playstation plus for online multiplayer (ps4) they should be re-investing into it's infrastructure. it's also very odd how it is unable to notify you of when friends come online or the ability to hide your status if you want. those are some pretty basic features now.

1nsomniac3212d ago

Haha only Sony fanboys could be shown the proven evidence & still claim it's not true. Hysterical. Kind of makes me sad that I'm a playstation gamer. You lot ruin it for the rest of us. All we want is the service we pay for.

Like I said the other day, we all use a verity of different online subscription services everyday & yet no one can name a single one that performs worse than PSN. Yet you apologists are still stupid enough to fight the corner for a company you have absolutely no relation to. You're a corperates wet dream you suckers!

TRS_Gear3212d ago

I can't help but laugh at some of this comments.

People, wake up!

This isn't about sony vs (insert name here), this is about getting what you are paying for. Unbelievable how brain washed some of these folks are.

You are defending a company for charging you for mediocre service.

This is the gentle kick in the but Sony needed.

N4g_null3212d ago

Sony better get this right or offer a free service. They are leaving the door wide open for ms and Nintendo.

Hype is cool but 350 dall or later it better work. Oh well time for some splatoon. Good luck with your paid service. Sony should give you a free month or two then.

DragonKnight3212d ago

To the people talking about how you pay a fee for this service and so should be getting *insert feature here*

Paying for what you get means different things to different people. I pay $50 a year for PS+ and I use it to play online. That's all I'm interested in, so I'm getting what I pay for. You can't claim that the lack of *insert feature here* means the fee is not justified just because it's a feature YOU want and are used to from another service.

Other services have other features they prioritize. It doesn't mean that any other service is more or less because they don't prioritize YOU and what YOU want because of things you've been used to elsewhere. Get over yourselves.

kreate3212d ago (Edited 3212d ago )

i dont care about any of those 'issues'. those are just nitpicking.

its like me trying to play starcraft but sometimes blizzard doesnt got their shit together so i cant play. the stock market exchange went down for several hours due to a glitch. china hacked the US military patriot system and stole the blueprint. sony's psn going down here and there is industry standard.

i just want sony to fix their ps3 psn store. cuz that store is broken and its been broken for a long time.

and if its possible, xbox live should drop that paywall so sony can follow suit. however this will never happen due to the fanboys.

gangsta_red3212d ago

Can anyone dispute Yarbie with their own links saying otherwise, or do we just call him a liar, close our eyes and say it's all not true?

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3212d ago

@gangsta_red

"Can anyone dispute Yarbie with their own links"

Yes. Here's a link to a thread called "The 30 day online network comparison thread: Xbox Live vs PSN."
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boa...

The thread began May 17th 2015 and ended June 14 2015 and this is the last post that was relevant to the comparison:

"Final Day Of The Comparison
Day 30
Sunday June 14th 2015
4:55 am EST North America

Current Status of PSN
All Services are up and running
https://status.playstation....

Current Status of Xbox Live
Xbox Live Core Services up and running
Purchase and Content Usage up and running
Website up and running
TV, Music and Video up and running
Social and Gaming up and running
http://support.xbox.com/en-...

For those of you who haven't been following this thread, PSN went down twice and had an issue with Playstation Now.

Xbox Live had social and gaming issues for 27 consecutive days affecting the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One for only 2 days."

Now Yarbie claims that PSN went Down 9 times over the past 5 weeks which would mean From July 10th to June 10th, Yarbie claims that PSN went down 9 times. It went down twice in June, so that would mean that PSN went down 7 times between June 14th and July 10th, which is absolute and pure FICTION!

thereapersson3212d ago

Yarbie with so many bubbles... and people call this a Sony site.

SilentNegotiator3212d ago (Edited 3212d ago )

I bet at LEAST 50% of this hashtag "movement" is being perpetuated by trolls like a certain troll trying to convince us that PSN has been "down 8 times" in 5 weeks...

fiveby93212d ago

IMO, I think often times the download speeds are related to poor provider networks from the likes of Comcast etc. I have fantastic performance with PSN compared to a friend of mine who has Comcast. We often compare results at teh very same time and I have fine performance and he does not. In cases like that I consider it poor provider performance. Perhaps some providers have poorly architect ed networks? Maybe they QoS certain sites and give lover priority to some sites? I know this may not be legal but perhaps they do it just the same. I don't know. But in my experience my I most often experience excellent PSN performance while others at the same time do not.

Pogmathoin3212d ago

Reaper, xheavy, loaded with bubbles, pure Ms hatred....... Your point is?

ChronoJoe3211d ago

I download off of PSN at 2-4mb/s. 2gb takes about 10minutes. I never understand the complaints about download speed.

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uth113213d ago

It seems like a number of major sites have been targetted recently, including NYSE, United, WSJ yesterday, and some other sites before that. PSN has had a rough patch in the past week or two. We know that Sony has been targeted by a certain government recently.

It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out they have been targeted.

iceman063213d ago

Not to mention the IRS, Social Security Administration, and the agency that administers background checks. All of which have been credited to "a certain government".

AndrewLB3212d ago

Don't go blaming me. I didn't vote for bath house Barry in either election.

It's amazing that Homeland Security would list "right-wing extremists" as a more pressing threat to the nation that Iran, ISIS, Russia, or Al Qaeda. What a f**k.

ReconHope3213d ago

So Sony's response to feedback is to use their share blog website. That's hilarious At least, this twitter campaign is getting attention share.blog.us.playstation.com hasn't got one approved new idea for the last 40+ day. Since playstation moderators are behind the approval process than it draws attention to the biased nature to the whole system.

Who's to say they aren't just approving ideas that they know will make them money. I submitted a basic idea for subtitle support for the new media players(for the hearing impaired and preferred audience) and have yet to hear anything back.

IndieMonth3213d ago

So hilarious. I mean, let's ignore that a lot of the most requested features on that list have been implemented since it went up.

Just hilarious.

ReconHope3213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

An idea has to get approved by Playstation Mods before they are even allowed to get voted on by the public on playstation.blog.share. I'm just going to throw it out there that an idea hasn't been approved for the past 45 days on playstation blog share. I'm not saying the ps4 hasn't been making some strides with current firmware updates but they should loosen their policy on moderating ideas.

Of the 18 Ideas in Action for The PS4 Here are A couple
1.PS1 Grey PS4- Limited Edition PS4
2.FUNimation App
3.Bring Dynamic Themes to PS4
4.PS4 Live Events app
5.PLEX app for PS4
6.Spotify app for PS4
7.Youtube App

Alot of these are meh and don't really push PS4 features but more so push the ps4 as a media center to make money for sony.

aLucidMind3212d ago

I would bet it's a structural issue, I doubt it's being DDoS-ed this much or often. This is a recurring theme, after all; their overall response doesn't mesh too well, either.

"Thank you for the feedback... doesn't mean we'll do anything, but thank you"-- Love, Corporate

Is what most will hear at this point.

3-4-53212d ago (Edited 3212d ago )

* We aren't all 14, how about speaking to us like adults Sony. Try using words, instead of pop-culture memes.

* Appologizing via what's trendy, doesn't really instill a lot of trust....It's kind of arrogant actually.

At least they recognize the concerns though, I just wish they would be more professional about it.

Your not OUYA.

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FallenAngel19843213d ago

Nice to hear that Sony listens to constructive criticism

Sureshot3213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

There's Listening and Doing. Sony isn't good at the latter

Summons753213d ago

Sorry they can't snap their fingers or wave a magic wand for you but you have to realize locating the problem and finding a way to fix it and make sure that fix won't screw anything else up takes time, that's the reality.

TwoForce3213d ago

Step by Step. No Rushing. It's not like Sony can wave magic.

DragonKnight3213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

Do you have any idea of the logistics involved in some of these requests? The cloud requests alone would probably take almost as much time as the CDN request. It requires buying servers, having place to put those servers, effectively linking them to the service, all of that costs time and money. Instant gratification age. If it doesn't happen this second, it's too long.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

iceman063213d ago

Yet, somehow, the features that have been most asked for are being added to the console!?! Strange from someone that "isn't good at the latter".

Sureshot3213d ago

@twoforce
If you're paying they better be rushing.

@iceman
And what features are those?

TwoForce3213d ago

In reality, it not that simple. Sony is not like Microsoft which company update a every months. Sony update their console like 1 or 3 months.

Jaqen_Hghar3213d ago

A man seems to remember them doing a lot to keep used games and offline the standard on consoles

Volkama3213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

@Jaqen_Hghar they're doing a lot to keep consoles offline as standard alright. That's one of the key reasons for #betterpsn

badum-tssh!

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-Foxtrot3213d ago

Good to hear because it's becoming a little bit of a joke

I hope they get the PS1 games on the store aswell.

TKCMuzzer3213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

Maybe it's me but I have very few PSN issues. Even over the last few weeks I have had no trouble signing in and playing online. Maybe it's because I only go on at certain times.

Anyway, I'm quite relaxed about it all, the internet is a mixed bag across the globe and I don't really envy any company that has to keep a constant 24hr service online. It does seem that some sites on the web do over exaggerate the issue for effect though.

ifistbrowni3212d ago (Edited 3212d ago )

if you don't have all day everyday to be on PSN, it seems like a non-issue. I haven't had PSN down once since Christmas. I'm not claiming the service hasn't been down once, I'm only saying that I'm never around when its down.

If the service improves, then awesome. I envy a lot of the people here on N4G that have all the time in the world to sit on a gaming website. To think some of these same people have to go a Day without playing video games... I'm surprised they make it in life.

ZaWarudo3213d ago (Edited 3213d ago )

That's good news. Hope to hear something soon, maybe PSX? if they do another PSX.

TwoForce3213d ago

They did said it if people like their way doing it.

DialgaMarine3213d ago

PSX is far better than E3, in my honest opinion. It's Sony's show, so they can show off whatever they want, and as much of it as they want, without worrying about trying to compete with other companies for the limelight. It's just Playstation, and it's awesome.

OldDude3212d ago (Edited 3212d ago )

^^^

So you're saying it's a great show because they can show off their products with nothing to compare them to? Interesting thought.

Skate-AK3213d ago

There will be another PSX. They said they are going to make it an annual event.

susuFOX3212d ago

I sure hope so, I am worry because this E3 was dubbed 'PlayStation E3 Experience'.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers16h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken3h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g13h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing12h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H912h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola9h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66911h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle11h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg1d 4h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos1d 4h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion1d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola23h ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies21d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken21d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga21d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken21d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6421d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long21d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197221d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic20d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12521d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91321d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer21d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91320d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit20d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher21d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6920d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit20d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher21d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken21d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197221d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic20d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2321d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218321d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder21d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts21d ago

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"... off a cliff"

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