Should Sony Have Waited A Year And Reworked The PS4 Pro Into Something More Powerful Like Scorpio?

Pramath

"At this point, it’s no secret that I wasn’t too happy with the PS4 Pro unveil at the PlayStation Meeting earlier this week. It was a badly handled event that did the exact opposite that a hardware reveal is supposed to do- it unhyped me for the Pro where earlier I was pretty all in on the PS4 NEO."

[Genuine-User]

The same could be said about almost anything . And I believe the answer to your question is a resounding no, in my opinion.

Here's why:

"You're asking for a company that was making a product to drastically change their product because another company said they would make a product someday.

Take a step back and look at this from a rational perspective. Company A is making something that is coming out in a handful of months, Company B announces that they're making something that is coming out over a year from now. Company A is not being complacent by chasing after a non-existent product. Company A is, whether you realize it or not, doing exactly what Company A is supposed to do: focus on their product and not their competitors.

The irony is that Company B -- Microsoft -- is focused on their competitor and not their own product. Once Microsoft realizes that reacting to everything Sony does is going to dig the Xbox into an even deeper hole, they'll then start to operate in a manner of leadership." - anonymous

[fr0sty]

Microsoft has put themselves into a tough position, as by releasing Scorpio, if it really is intended to be a current gen update like Pro is, delays the end of this console generation for at least 2-3 more years before they'll be able to put another system on the market and not piss off a bunch of fans who just bought Scorpio, as well as confuse the market who wouldn't know which system was the one to get if they haven't been educated about it (and most gamers don't follow gaming news, we're the enthusiast few outnumbered by millions of casual/occasional gamers). So, We have Scorpio coming out on the tail end of the generation, a year after Pro. Sony has already secured a large market share advantage over them by the time Scorpio launches with Pro's head start, and by the time Scorpio launches they will be well on their way to finalizing the design for PS5, and might go ahead and announce the PS5 at E3 2018, maybe even tease it sooner (GDC?) to steal Scorpio's thunder. So, Scorpio comes in at the end of the generation, and may only have a few months to prove its relevancy before more powerful competition begins stealing the spotlight.

I wouldn't have made that move if I were MS... Scorpio would have become my next gen system, I'd beef it up a bit if I had to in order to compete with PS5, and I just wouldn't do a mid-generation update if I couldn't get a system on the market by the time (or close to the time) PS4 Pro launches,

[bolimekurac]

yeah right, ms put in a tough spot but sony releasing ps4 pro which is weak , thats ok though?

[fr0sty]

It is considering it is going to be the strongest console ever for over a year. With Scorpio releasing so late, it might only get to enjoy that "strongest console" title for a few months before the announcement of PS5 begins to steal its thunder. Those 6 teraflops won't mean much if Sony turns around a few months later at GDC or E3 and says PS5 will be launching with 8-12TFlops. Couple PS4 Pro already enjoying a year's worth of updated PS4 games, and Scorpio not having much time to get its own library established before the competition hits... It's not a position I'd want to be in. I think MS chased the "most powerful" dream a little too hard this time, and backed themselves into a corner by not taking careful consideration of timing and how the market would react, both consumers and competition. They should have known that by the end of next year, next gen will be just around the corner.

[nX]

Sony definitely made the better business move, Scorpio might not even sell half as much without some real 'next-gen' exclusives when it launches 4 years into the cycle. It seemed more like a PR stunt to claim the title of most powerful console but I for one am fine with what I've seen of the PS4 Pro.

[darthv72]

We are seeing the beginning of staggered generations. Meaning the platforms that overlap may, in essence, be considered competition to each other but at the same time are themselves just evolutionary products.

This has basically been the norm for so long but on a much closer scale as platforms with a generation tend to release within a year (sometime in the same year) of each other. The release of Pro being 3 years after PS4 and scorpio being 4 years after xb1 could lead to the separation of the traditional generation we know for so long.

Sony will likely have a PS5 in a minimum of 3 years from now and MS a possible new project another 2-3+ after that. Seems the only one keeping the average 5 year cycle is Nintendo. NX is going to be about 5 years after wiiu.

[Death]

Very closed minded replies by some of you. With forward and backwards compatibility, traditional generations are obsolete. Microsoft is looking at consoles now more like PC. The games moving forward are targeting the OS, not the hardware. The hardware can change without affecting game development.

"Next gen" exclusives that showcase the hardware don't exist on either the PS4 Pro or Scorpio. You can stop pretending that Pro is current gen and Scorpio is next gen.

[fr0sty]

@darth You are right, the dynamics of the console generation are undergoing change, but Sony is going to be reactive to the market, they aren't going to force a 6 year cycle on the market if Scorpio begins to pose a threat. I'm sure they are already well on their way to having at least concept designs for what PS5 will be even at this point, and if they see a need to go ahead and drop a new product, because another company is pulling ahead, they will go for a 5 year generation and release at the end of 2018, only a year after Scorpio hits the market. If I were Sony, I would have 2 hardware targets in mind right now... one that could release in 2018 affordably, and one that could release in 2019 affordably. I would make the final call on which to go with as soon as Scorpio launched, after watching its sales and how they affected PS4's. PS4 Pro will be 2 years old by then and will likely have replaced the Slim as the only PS4 model left on sale (though they might still keep slim in order to be able to sell a super cheap PS4 for like $200).

I also think that we'll get some forward compatibility with the next gen, for at least a little while. Look at how long this gen they kept making PS3/360 ports of the most popular games. Since they no longer have to recode those games, they just have to adjust settings to make them run on older systems (due to X86 backwards/forward compatibility), we will very likely see the same thing happen this generation, if not more of it. So, if Sony and MS do 5 year cycles, I don't see it hurting them from the consumer's perspective, as they can brag about how PS4 will still play some PS5 games at lower settings if anyone tries to complain about them releasing a new console 2 years after Pro launched.

[CYCLEGAMER]

NO because we are now ok with upscale. Native resolution is only good when Sony does it :)

[fr0sty]

Considering some PSPro launch titles are already hitting 4K native, I'd hold that thought until we see what the games are going to do.... However, Sony has made no attempt at hiding the fact that the games are upscaled. Cerny talked about it at the conference, how the Polaris architecture enabled them to hit 4K without having to render native (via chekerboard rendering, which isn't the same as upsaling, by the way). However, considering almost all reports are saying the games do look FAR better than on a 1080p set, regardless of native 4K or not, few of us care since the console is cheap and launches in 2 months.

[BattleAxe]

@ Frosty

Everything in your comment is just dumb. I'd respond by going through everything, but the things that fans of the PS4 are writing just don't make any sense. All I will say is that time will tell, and you have it backwards, Microsoft put Sony in a bad spot. Sony clearly reduced the specifications of the PS4 Pro so that it could compete with Xbox One S(which is also a 4K system).

They probably removed the 4K Blu-ray drive at the last minute, and put in a smaller hard drive to save money. You'd think that as the size of games get bigger, they'd actually put a hard drive in that would be suitable. A 1TB hard drive isn't even adequate for the Xbox One, let alone the PS4 Pro.

[fr0sty]

"What you wrote doesn't make sense"

What a compelling argument.

Also, Xbox One S is not a 4K system. It plays 4K video, not games. Also, according to Sony's patent on UHD discs, the only thing preventing the older drives from reading newer discs is the fact that they purposely inverted certain blocks of data in the error correction codes so that the old drives, while they could read the discs, wouldn't be able to understand what it was they were reading because their error correction mechanisms would fail when trying to read the disc. If there is anything preventing pro from doing UHD discs, it's lack of ability to decode the video, but (I own a video production company and have been in the business for 20 years) if my PC that I built in 2011 (and it was upper-mid range even back then) can decode the 4K video at 100mbps out of my cameras, I have a hard time believing that PS4 Pro's GPU and CPU can't decode a 4K HDR stream at 128mbps from a UHD Blu-Ray.

Sony hasn't even entered the UHD Blu-Ray player market yet, and doesn't plan to until the middle of next year, so that is why PS4 Pro isn't launching with UHD BD support. Even Sony realizes that market is too small to invest too much attention in, and they helped invent the format.

[Sevir]

Bolimekurac..... Sony knew the timeline they were releasing the Pro... which is why they didn't Delay to react. At over 40 million PS4s sold worldwide, it's pretty clear they DONT care about the Scorpio. When you are a leader you look to innovate your products in a time frame you can re-energize the market, before your competition. MS's has been Reacting to Sony all generation, that's the point of Scorpio and all the little performance increases the OG XBO has received as well as policy and feature changes before launch is all about...

They reacted to being the weakest of Next Feb hardware and inferior ports, and because the social gamers have voiced distaste to the platform now they want to silence by delivering something to stop the negative comparisons. But coming out a year later, it won't matter. 4k gaming console is here in Nov... and from now till Holiday 2017 (14 months) the conversation of a 4K gaming console being readily available with games to demonstrate that will be the norm for gamers everywhere.

They've already put the message out there, If you have a 4k display you'll get 4k gaming with HDR. If you have a 1080p display you'll get upgraded graphics and smoother frame rates and if you have vr you'll have an upgraded VR experience...

This will be the same message MS delivers in a year, the only thing is they'll be doing it with games that already have done it on a VERY capable machine for a whole year earlier... so tough luck convincing people to spend $600 for that when they can get it for less

[morganfell]

gamingbolt is another site that fails blatantly as they, or rather it misunderstands the generational position of the PS4 Pro. It isn't meant to alter the current landscape and neither is it staged as a competitor to Scorpio. Most intelligent people know this. The Pro is to provide the avid core gamer with a better, yet affordable experience, plug into the current PS4 infrastructure, all while Sony works on their next cycle machine - the PS5. The fact is the Pro and PSVR, on the heels and alongside the PS4 will push this generation so far into Sony's corner that it is at its basics...over. Scorpio's real competitor is the PC. And avid PC gamers are going to blitz Xbox supporters like they have never seen. If people think they have seen some brutal comments from PC Purists and Master Race supporters then they are in for a quite rude surprise.

As regards Scorpio, MS should be concerned that due to numbers, the PS4 and Sony will be able to command a great deal from 3rd party entities. The PS4 lead is only going to expand. Before Redmond can establish any sort of decent user base for Scorpio there is little doubt Sony will announce their next generation machine. By waiting over a year to counter Sony, MS has only worked themselves into a worse position. And by focusing on power Microsoft has taken their eye off the ball that really matters in gaming competition.

[freshslicepizza]

@fr0sty
"It is considering it is going to be the strongest console ever for over a year. With Scorpio releasing so late, it might only get to enjoy that "strongest console" title for a few months before the announcement of PS5 begins to steal its thunder."

a few months? you guys are too funny, sony will want this generation to last as loing as possible and ps4 pro is aimed to help do just that. You won't be seeing a ps5 until 2019 at the earliest. we also have no idea if the ps5 will be compatable with ps4 games.

[BlackTar187]

@moldy

2019 is exactly what everyone is expecting and is in line on the button to mid gen upgrade. The question is of ps5 comes out in 2019 and is a lot more powerful then Scorpio would ms lose it all by following the 4 yr plan they talked about. If xbox 2 comes out in 2021 ms may be in trouble. If they try to end yet another console even sooner they may be in trouble. That said ms had killed their consoles early every gen so it may not matter. Before you say 360 remember that in the last couple of years of its cycle they basically released no exclusive games saving them for one. Whatever though you make up your own mind. It's no surprise ms made the xbox 1 reveal about media and not games , judging by the crowd reaction to uhd it's what they care about more. Movies and tv over games.

[bouzebbal]

Lol like they had to wait to release move to make it as good as natal ?
Appears me the PR and raw tech garbage, give me some games that take good use of these resources.. If it was about power then I wonder why there are so many gamesfrom very old gens that trounce nowadays games..

[Omnislashver36]

While I wish PS4Pro was 5 TFLOPS, I still can't blame Sony. Releasing something in the 5.5 TFLOPS range with 1080p60 games would leave them in a tough position for PS5. 4k = 3-4x the power needed, so you're talking about a 15-20 TFLOPS console in 2-4 years? Yeah, fucking, right.

Atleast at 4.2 TFLOPS they're keeping it at 12-16 TFLOPS needed for PS5, and say they're working their magic and can pull off 4K with 10 TFLOPS. Thats a more realistic scenario. It also keeps the console in the same ballpark as PS4-OG, so they're not leaving anyone behind. It's not a new console after all. Overall, while I wish it was more, there are reasons for holding back, including marketability. $499 ain't gonna sell, plus it means more work to throw into games. Many games will have a 60fps mode now with PS4Pro, Isn't that what you wanted?(okay, I wanted extra graphics as well, but some games will choose that route, and I understand we can't have them both ATM. We'll be nerfing chances of better graphics and 4k coexisting nex-gen.)

[donthate]

There is an assumption here that PS4 Pro will somehow have a large marketshare. We don't know that for a fact. The second thing is that, that marketshare likely belonged to Sony in the first place. The upgrade is so small, that the only people buying PS4 Pro is the same people that was looking at getting a PS4.

Sony failed to open the market up. People that are looking for a UHD Blu-Ray player will now buy an Xbox One S, because that is the only console that can do it.

[dantesparda]

"Should Sony Have Waited A Year And Reworked The PS4 Pro Into Something More Powerful Like Scorpio?"

No, because Scorpio isnt really more powerful, while it may be more powerful on paper, in reality the differences will be so minuscule, so small that you'll strain yourself trying to find the diiferences. And you dont have to wait a whole extra ~14 months and pay how much more to find out when you can instead get Pro in Nov. with real exclusives, not this PC/Xbox exclusives nonsense MS has going on that'll play better on the PC anyways then will on the Scorpio. Now let the fanboys go ape sh't over the truth. Have fun!

[morganfell]

"The upgrade is so small..." Then what would you call the difference between PS4 Pro and Scorpio?

It doesn't matter. Power isn't the issue and you, like Microsoft have made the same mistake. It seems to be a history with MS. They dropped core gamers with the 360 to chase the casual audience. They misread why and who was buying a Wii. Now they have made the same mistake thinking it is about power. It isn't.

Sony read the tea leaves correctly and put a CD player in the PS1. They were attacked for that. But they were right. Then they put a DVD player in the PS2. They were attacked for that. But they were right. Then they put a Bluray player in the PS3. Boy were they attacked for that. Again they were right. Now they decided to keep the price point down on the Pro because they have read the tea leaves again. What's your record on correctly picking formats? Don't bother to answer, it is after all rhetorical.

Sony > you.

I love forecasters that armchair from the bathroom when they second guess a company that has been continually on the money.

"Sony failed to open the market up..." No they didn't. Like most people you also do not get that the Pro is another PS4 SKU that works the market Sony is leading. Its a PS4. It contributes to sales for the console that is tracking to beat the PS2 - the top selling console...EVER. Sony owns the console market. And their lead worldwide is expanding. Kiss those two months of X1 NPD goodbye. The Pro hasn't received mainstream advertising yet and it's already making its home at Amazon. Things will only get worse for MS with PSVR, the Slim, Pro, and the PS4 bearing down the release pipe.

[DarXyde]

There's still a way Microsoft can "win" with the Scorpio. You see how consoles are becoming more and more like PCs, right?

Well, Microsoft has two options to gain the upper-hand here:

1. Give Scorpio a better-than-currently-necessar y cooling system and make it so that the hardware can be upgraded. Could be internal component changes, could be external parts, whathaveyou.

2. Microsoft could reintroduce the Always-Online feature of Xbox One and use Cloud computing to power future games. Enough time has passed. I imagine their cloud computing works fairly well by now. I think this strategy partly depends on what Sony does. If Sony is foolish enough to introduce DRM in PS5, Microsoft would undoubtedly reintroduce their online strategy. At this point, both consoles have it and only Sony is forcing you to invest in new hardware which works better for Scorpio. Then, there's the other thing: Microsoft could also market always-online the same way that Scorpio and Pro are being marketed: as nonessential, but an upgrade for those who want the best results.

Maybe I'm speaking nonsense, but it's still in the realm of possibility.

[LastCenturyRob]

Most people who are gong to buy the Scorpio are doing so for the 4K bluray. It is worth the price of the console just for that. MS fell behind with a poor launch and a semi weak system in regard to the X1. The Scorpio fixes a lot of that and MS pretty much knocked it out of the park with the rumored specs. IF the Scorpio brings out the better versions of CoD and Battlefield it will sell better than the other consoles on the market for three or four years, easy.

[Omnislashver36]

Scorpio is going to be a beast, but PS4-Neo will probably be replaced with PS5 by 2019, so what's that, two years of MS being king of specs? Considering the terribad VA on Scalebound and Gears, all I see hope for personally is Sea of Thieves, Recore(which are two games I say are worth $39) and ofcourse Halo 6 and Crackdown. That's just not enough to regain enough marketshare IMO, especially when they're being outdone in two years.

The UHD, honest to god, it's not that big of a deal. Almost nobody buys Blurays anymore, much less 4K blurays. At this time, it's not worth tacking on another $100 onto console price. By time PS5 rolls around, this will be relevant, cheaper, and PS5 will crush Scorpio.

While I wish PS4-Neo was 5.5 TFLOPS/$499, it's no wonder they went with a $399 version. It simply makes more sense. If MS would have wisened up with Gears/Scalebound and Crackdown looked like a heavy contender, I think PS4 Pro may had gone with 5.5 TFLOPS, but at this point, it's really laughable. As someone who doesn't consider price an object with console gaming(I could buy Scorpio if I wanted to) and played 360 exclusively last-gen, all I have to say is, MS is doing pitiful and Sony had no need for a $499 contender.

[Scatpants]

Microsoft has said they are interested in shifting from a generational model to an iterative one so you may never see an XboxTwo or whatever you may just end up seeing more powerful xbox ones every three years.

[FPS_D3TH]

Microsoft also believes Scorpio will be its last entry into console hardware. Maybe save for a potentially smaller model down the road but if that statement holds true then who cares what Sony brings to the table. In all honesty I don't expect game graphics to get all that more advanced anymore and it sounds like neither does Microsoft nor the people behind cloud gaming/streaming technology. It's possible but I'd imagine the time gap for newer tech is going to get longer and longer as time goes on as even today's new gen console leap had significantly less noticable difference than say the N64 had over the Super Nintendo or the Xbox over Xbox 360. Those were huge leaps forward. Today's significant enough but the gap in last gens tech was longer than the last and I'm expecting this one will follow that. These mid tier upgrades are only to satisfy the hardcore gamers as I firmly believe we won't see anything else for another 5 maybe 4 years at its earliest and I guarantee casual gamers do not care about how long it is until a newer better console releases.

[RosweeSon]

Yeah well that's works well as next gen isn't starting until 2020/2021
10 year console cycles and all that.
NX 2017
Scorpio 2017.
Ps5 2020/21.
NX 2021/22 latest puts them in line to compete with the big boys.
Microsoft 720? 2021/22.
Nintendo release their consoles on a pattern of between 4-6 years I don't see them changing that as they do what they want when they want. 6 years between NES/SNES 5 between SNES/N64 4 between n64 and GameCube, 5 until Wii launched, 6 until Wii U launched, 5 until NX launches being as that's out in 2017 and Wii U came out 2012, means Nintendo are gonna be around with NX for a minimum 4 years (if successful which I hope it is) otherwise they will go all out or bust? I personally don't see a next gen proper starting until next decade, not 10 years from now of course but can't see a next gen starting within 3 years of all these new consoles launching. 2020 is when they will start launching.

[Obscure_Observer]

@frOsty

That was not a issue when Sony released the ps3. It took one year to Sony release the ps3 after the 360 and they still was able to catch up with MS and sell more consoles worldwide. What´s different now?

I see... balance shifts when comes to MS launch a system one year later. ;)

[Matology]

I'm just wondering if Microsoft will start to release a few details regarding Scorpio early next year and then at E3 unveil it and go here you go you can buy it starting next week.

The fans would love that.

[S2Killinit]

I think from a business standpoint Sony has essentially killed scorpio by releasing the PS4 Pro. Think about it, the PS4 Pro has the benefit of being novel for 2 reasons:
1) it has a bigger power gap against existing consoles at time of its release (2-3 times more powerful than the others) AND
2) it has the novelty of introducing VR to console gamers.

When scorpio releases, it will only be (roughly) 33% more powerful than other existing consoles. (For those that arent good at math the PS4 Pro, by comparison is between 200%-300% more powerful than existing consoles)
Also by that time console gamers will already be fimiliar with VR.

So, yeah i think PS4Pro is going to really staggnate the sales of scorpio.

[fathertime4464]

Ya the gpu will only be 33% more powerful. However the cpu won't be another garbage jaguer and it'll have 12g of ram. So ya you're a third right about the power difference

[Gazondaily]

"I think from a business standpoint Sony has essentially"

Yeah okay but from a hardware perspective, the Scorpio will be dominating it based on what we know. That 43% extra power yo! All the spinning in the world can't change that fact.

One thing I've read of how ps slim sales aren't being gutted because of the project. Had so many crocodile tears shed over Scorpio doing the same to Xbox One S

[BossBattle]

The Scorpio will sell fine. There's no need for me to buy a PS4 Pro because my PS4 is good enough. Sony will have a tough time selling the PS4 slim, PS4 Pro, and PSVR all at the same time.

[Goldby]

@battle
Then the same can be said about Scorpio. Currently the ps4 is the leader and some people may not upgrade, but theres still those power hungry console gamers that now see the Ps4P as the top console come november. Witha. Full year or close to it before the scorpio is release it may sway some to stick with sony. And the same can be said about ms with the scorpio release. There will always be the power hungry gamers who swit h between console families. And there will be some that are swayed to stay, some that al aready in the family and some that will never walk through the front door.

[Tobsesan]

So you are telling us GPU is the only power a console has? There won't be the same ol chipsets like in the PS4 pro. Why invest into a VR system now that hasn't even 1 good game coming and is the known worst one in the business at the higher Tier. Why invest into a console that only ups GPU power? Why buy a new console after 3 years? Why Release 2 new Consoles 2 months apart? Doesn't that kill its own business?

You could just enjoy your Xbox One for 4 Years, get the Scorpio, get Vive and have the best possible console with the best possible VR System with the BEST games running on it. Heck, even Fallout 4 gets made for VR and its NOT on PSVR.

So you have to options:

1. Buy a the most powerfull console for 1 year at 400$ and get the worst VR experience with it
2. Wait another Year and get a TRUE 4K Gaming Console with the best possible VR experience

This is fact, but you can downvote me now, because you guys don't like hearing the truth.

[dantesparda]

@Septic

Its funny how a 40% power difference didnt matter to you MS fanboys when the PS4 had it over the X1 but now suddenly matters when its a Scorpio having it over the Pro. But look up diminishing returns, as the differences between the Scorpio and Pro will be even smaller than they are between the PS4 and X1, so good luck selling people on that.

Plus the fact that MS is going to be selling you this thing over a year later and probably want more than $400 for it when it'll BARELY look any better than Pro and has given up all its exclusives to the PC (where the games will look and play better anyways). So good luck with that too.

[miyamoto]

Septic did not learn anything from the past console generations

[butchertroll]

@Bossbattle
Quote :

The Scorpio will sell fine. There's no need for me to buy a PS4 Pro because my PS4 is good enough. Sony will have a tough time selling the PS4 slim, PS4 Pro, and PSVR all at the same time.

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This post will be bookmarked. Well see things during this holiday. Anyway, Scorpio won't be cheap.

[Utalkin2me]

@Tobsesan

"This is fact, but you can downvote me now, because you guys don't like hearing the truth."

This is not fact, as again it's your opinion and you're pushing it as fact. Its great to have opinion discussions. But when you start pushing them as facts is the reason why you get disagree's. You type with emotions and not facts or logic at anytime.

[THC CELL]

The Scorpio is slightly more powerful. By the Scorpio comes ps5 will. Be in makes

[Goldby]

@tobsesan
"You could just enjoy your Xbox One for 4 Years, get the Scorpio, get Vive and have the best possible console with the best possible VR System with the BEST games running on it. "

Do you plan on paying close to 2000 dollars for all of that? cuz that is crazy.

please get your facts straight before you type next time. Gear VR is the worse of the whole batch of VR HMDs. and in many ways the PSVR is actually better than the Rift or Vive. higher FPS, more subpixels, you don't neeed to spend 1000$ on a pc to have a slight chance of using it and its priced amazing.

lastly. priasing about having Fallout 4 in Vr is nice. but there are many many many more games that would be better to talk about for vr. its fallout 4 afterall.

[Letthewookiewin]

Sony is going to have the absolute best looking games this year and next (oh and already do). Why the hell would they wait. Giving people options. Like not having to buy a new system if they want HDR. Xboys are pissing themselves over this.

[joeorc]

@Letthewookiewin2h ago(Edited 2h ago)
[Sony is going to have the absolute best looking games this year and next (oh and already do). Why the hell would they wait. Giving people options. Like not having to buy a new system if they want HDR. Xboys are pissing themselves over this.]

I would not say pissing over themselves, I would just say they are looking at this from a perspective of negatives of what Sony did not do instead of the Advantages that Sony did do with not just PS4Pro but all PS4's.

By making all PS4's are now HDR compliant..many PS4 gamers may feel they may not need to upgrade to the newest PS4 Pro...what Sony has effectively done in my opinion is make a case for those already with a PS4 to stick with them..

The only real thing now is no Blu-Ray UHD optical movie playback.. Mind you all PS4's still play standard Blu-Ray Discs..but what Sony is Essentially doing is making the case of only having to upgrade once instead of twice ..that is if you want too.

The initial say 18/to 22 million Xbox one users will have to either upgrade to the Xbox one S if Microsoft wants more of a chance for developers of 3rd party to add in HDR unless they decode the Software only solution for HDR..or risk many Developers and Publishers choosing to wait it out until the Xbox Scorpio arrives.. By then Sony could already have most of its software patched or outright have HDR assets added to all games.

Many may say well HDR is not as important as many are making it out to be, well developer's and publishers may infact disagree...

Possibility of all the 18 to 22 Xbox one's not being HDR Ready is essentially a start over point not just for HDR but now until Scorpio arrives.. that include VR also..

Sony on the other hand has made a very compelling case for current users having not only HDR but full VR support no hurry or real rush to upgrade right away for getting the PS4Pro right away..this could be both good and bad..

Good because the current Slim model has HDR, & VR but also lower entry price point..asking an extra $100.00 over the slim cost for the PS4Pro is not much in the grand scheme but current PS4 gamers could wait for 1st price drop to buy the PS4Pro..

New adopters though are pretty much getting a Brand new more powerful PS4 as if it was releasing from 2013..but with better hardware and more added functionality.

[RosweeSon]

Yeah Sony don't need to copy Xbox/Microsoft and why would they at the end of the day as Sony will do it and Microsoft will go actually yeah we couldn't manage that quick 180 yeah it's not quite 6 teraflops they've not gone into production nothing is set in stone it's just Microsoft have put it out their in its rawest form... Thoughts and ideas. They've not even started making the things yet.

[Bansai]

"Resounding no - why? I don't know, here's an opinion of someone else"

lol.

[C-H-E-F]

Agreed,

That's like LG going back and reworking their phones last year because Apple said the iPhone 7 would be this that and the third and we saw how that turned out. lOl

[candystop]

So if I'm not mistaken is Sony going to release a patch to enable its current PS4 to upscale games to 4k? I'm just trying understand this.

[donthate]

The last time Sony didn't look at the competition, and didn't even consider MS a competitor, we got the PS3. If it weren't for the fact that Xbox brand isn't strong in international places, and the fact that Xbox 360 suffered RROD, the PS3 would have never had a chance to catch up.

So we are now seeing similarities again with Sony, and the media and gamers are definitely letting themselves be heard of what they feel about the lack of UHD BD support when a significantly cheaper product can.

[blackout]

Playstation fans are excepting this. WOW. The whole system is a fake. Same old parts and fake 4k. And i thought Sony had the best hardware makers on this planet. It only seems the comment section on N4G have the blind Sony crowd cause cause the pro is getting pulverized everywhere else. I guess this is Sony listening to there fans. I like the way Microsoft is listening to there fans right now. "This Is The We Heard You Console" aka " It's A Monster".

[fr0sty]

There's only a few dozen UHD Blu-Rays to choose from currently, I doubt Sony is very worried about that. They didn't even bother to release a stand alone UHD BD player, citing that they were waiting on more content before they did. They aren't releasing one until next year. Sony helped invent the format, if even they don't think it's ready to support, I'd say they are right.

[Tobsesan]

So why they jump in with VR now? All we get is tech demos and horrible smartphone games. 1-2 Games to look forward and thats basically it.

UHD Blu ray doesn't have enough content? No sht sherlock, its the new medium going forward. Just like the start of DVD and Blu ray.

[endi123]

A fact
Ps4 owners are disappointed with ps4 pro and talking about ps5 witch is next gen
This gen Xbox Scorpio 2017 and pro 2016 if Sony releases ps5 in 2019 that's 3 yrs after pro, going through all the trouble now, r&d shipping cost's, but let's say they do it in 2019 then I bet Xbox one2 will be 2020 with better specs again, and then again Ps fans: Lol Xbots just wait until Sony releases PS6

[daynnight365]

Kudos, that's 2nd level thinking right there

[loadstone007]

Agreed.

I honestly believe Microsoft are actually launching a next gen console, unlike the PS4 Pro.
Sony are doing the Apple thing - going from the 6 to the 6s. Microsoft are doing more - going from the 6 to the 7.

I tend to think Microsoft are trying to impress too much and in the process going to screw their current fans with the X1. The visual gaps between the two consoles are going to be too big to ignore. Sony are giving fans a chance to get a bit more juice - but it would not screw existing owners (e.g. memory is still 8gb, because they wish to have relatively similar games).

Project Scorpio is the PS5.

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

Logic still exists I see

[RosweeSon]

Yeah we all know what happens when a company starts back tracking on their own ideas to keep up with the Jones' ala Xbox one reveal. Sony are doing what, ok so yesterday we said we were gonna do always online... We won't now, also Kinect will remain with the console for Ever, like Disney infinity will continue for Infinity? No that's been closed Kinect has been scrapped, at least now they are in a much more competitive position than they were 3 years ago after initial reveals. Competition is always good. Don't want one company with a monopoly.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Genuine-User

"The irony is that Company B -- Microsoft -- is focused on their competitor and not their own product. Once Microsoft realizes that reacting to everything Sony does is going to dig the Xbox into an even deeper hole, they'll then start to operate in a manner of leadership"

Really? Even deeper hole? I don´t know if you realize but MS is catching up with Sony, dude. I don´t think they gonna win this generation, since the gape is too wide. But MS definelly improve and only a fool would deny this fact. Since Spencer, Xbox is now better. No more kinect gimmick, no more primary focus on entertainment and tv, no more drm/always online crap. It´s all about GAMES now!

Xbox Elite Controller, Xbox One S and Xbox Scorpio will be Spencer´s legacy and the FINAL NAIL on Mattrick´s coffin!

That said, at first MS took a lot of flack all over the internet by announcing two different consoles at the same time (E3). The internet reacts, and their crystal ball said that Scorpio would cannibalize X1 S sales. Do you remember? And what actually happen? Xbox One S is a success AND people are also looking forward to the Scorpio comming 2017.

Talk about "reacting to everything Sony does". What was Sony strategy again? Announcing two consoles at the same time! Just like MS, they announced a slim and a upgraded console version of their current gen ones with one difference, the short time frame between the two releases.

So now we can talk about irony. Do you know what might happen to Sony? I THINK it´s possible that PS4P will cannibalize PS4 Slim sales if Amazon Best Sellers is anything to go by.

I think you guys should make up your minds. First, Since Spencer, MS was following Sony footsteps. Then, MS was leaving the console market all together with the "play anywhere" program. Then, Scorpio wasn´t even a console, just a PC or Steambox, later, Scorpio is a new generation console and won´t be PS4P competitor, instead, it would be a future PS5´s competitor. NOW, MS is following Sony footsteps again? Talk about confusion. :p

MS definitely made some people confused,nervous AND desperate. And no, i´m not talking about Sony. ;)

[Yetter]

Regardless of what MS is doing next year, 3 years is too soon for an upgraded console

[maybelovehate]

Pro is more an answer to the One S. I don't think Sony expects it to compete with Scorpio. They will release another console for that.

[DeadlyOreo]

I hope not. Scorpio is going to be a niche and MS will completely price themselves out of the console market if the specs are correct. People who think it'll be anywhere near Sony's £350 Pro price are completely delusional.

I think Sony have been spot on here with the Pro, and this thing will sell very well.

[maybelovehate]

What price would be too high? People spend tons of money on gadgets. If you have a 4k HDR tv at home spending money on gadgets probably isn't something you will have trouble doing.

[snoopgg]

You're so right, look how long it took the ps3 to sell at a higher price. Sony will release their ps5 before Microsoft scorpio has any base and then Microsoft will have to release a new system just to keep up wirh Sony.

[dirkdady]

Yea pro not to compete with scorpio. Pretty sure Sony will release a third model next year pro-s or whatever to appease the hardcore crowd.

[Lennoxb63]

Companies don't spend the same amount on parts that the average PC gamers do. So the specs would not be pricing the console out of reach for the average consumer.

[Rimeskeem]

I don't think Sony is expecting to compete at all with the pro. If they wanted to compete they could have waited and done various upgrades and such to make the pro better than Scorpio. Sony isn't trying to compete with Scorpio. if anything Scorpio is trying to compete with PC at this point and there simply is no winning against that.

@maybe

The gain for MS is xbox live. The more users on xbox the more money the get from live and so on. If they are to simply go full PC and make people pay for live on PC then they would get demolished by steam. Scorpio is there way to fight going full PC or else it will be a complete slaughter. The Xbox division has been on the brink of going under a couple times already. If MS loses the cash from live then xbox is almost certainly dead.

[maybelovehate]

What would MS gain by competing with their own PC market? If anything Scorpio will be an entrée point to get more people interested in PC gaming.

[EpicSandwich]

Scorpio obviously competition with the pro but is just much better in every way lol the downplay Is real

[dantesparda]

@epicsandwich

"Scorpio obviously competition with the pro but is just much better in every way lol the downplay Is real"
Except the differences in real life will be so minuscule that hardly anybody will be able to tell the difference and it'll be even more laughable, plus they'll probably try to sell it for more than $400 which will just ruin them.

[kneon]

@EpicSandwich

Scorpio is better in every way, except for the most important one, it doesn't exist yet.

If that fact is going to be ignored then we can also go on about the PS5 being better in every way than the Scorpio.

[Goldby]

@Kneon

Screw the ps5!

it's all about that PS18 and the MS Leo coming out in 2086 with over 150TF /s

[SilverDemon]

Pro isn't an answer to anything.
They are just upgrading ps4 for the 4k market and people who want better graphics from ps4

Scorpio is NOT and upgrade to x1. Its another console that has full compatibility with x1 games and It has its own exclusives only vr games for now...but I think will see other games too

[ShadowWolf712]

Funny, MSA was talking like they weren't gonna be leaving Xbone owners in the dust with Scorpio either.

When did they reverse that decision?

[Rimeskeem]

The Pro is literally just "hey look, a stronger console that has all these amazing exclusives coming to it"

[SilverDemon]

@shadowwolf
When they allowed devs to develop Scorpio exclusives (only VR...for now)

I think if star citizen developers asked MS for their game to be on Xbox but It can only be on Scorpio MS won't say no

[Rhythmattic]

maybelovehate
"Pro is more an answer to the One S"
WTF did i just read? A console thats Added UHD and 4K upscaling that still doesn't output higher native res than a PS4slim for most games???

As for PS4Pro, 1Tb at $50 more than a 1Tb OneS... 3 x the performance for 13% more?
"Pro is more an answer to the One S" Do you see how silly that sounds?
If a UHD drive for movies is more important to you than specs for gaming..Fair enough. Definitely not me..

As for Scorpio , of course it will be more powerful.....
It'll be based on AMD's "next gen" Zen architecture.
Thus a "Next Gen" console.

[BossBattle]

The PS4 Pro is next gen. Going from 1.8 to 4.2 teraflops is a big change.

[Rhythmattic]

BossBattle
Yes it is a big change...
Still doesn't change the fact PS4 Pro Users Polaris architecture, still based on a Jaguar Cpu..The SOC is not Zen based...
By AMD's own accounts , their "Next Generation" Architecture is Zen... If you have a problem with that, question them...
PS4Pro is not using Zen. Scorpio Is Next Gen..

[maybelovehate]

Both Xbox One S and PS4 pro are stop gaps to appease to HDR 4k tv buyers. Scorpio is using a next gen GPU. If you can't see that, that is fine. But it is what it is.

[butchertroll]

@Bossbattle

Lol! PS4 is not a next-gen. In terms of power Scorpio is compared to Xbone and PS4. PS4 Pro is still based on Jaguar, but Scorpio will be another thing.

[Letthewookiewin]

No it's not. Xbone S was MS's pathetic answer to PS4. Lol

[Yetter]

xb1s is just a console refresh. Its happened every console gen since the nintendo. It wasn't an answer to anything. Its just par for the course

[iTechHeads]

No, the PS4 Slim is the "answer" to the Xbox One S.

The Xbox One S isn't even in the same league as the PS4 Pro. Stop comparing them.

[Gardenia]

1. The difference in PS4 and PS4 Pro cannot be too much or it would be unfair for the ones with a PS4
2. The price cannot be more than the PS4 at launch
3. The Scorpio launch is still a long wait and the specs aren't final. It can even be canceled who knows?
4. The Scorpio has to keep 1 and 2 in mind
5. Regardless, In all countries except the US, Playstation always is selling better than the Xbox

Sony released the PS4 Pro now because we are already 3 years in the console cycle. It will only be about 2 more years before the next gen is coming. The Scorpio would only be a year relevant. If any, Microsoft should have launched the Scorpio now, not wait another year

[kraenk12]

It's called PS5 and will be released 2019 or so.

[Tobsesan]

So they release a new console every year now?

[dantesparda]

@maybelovehate

No, Scorpio is MS's late response to PS4 Pro and Slim is Sony's answer to the 1S. Why are MS fans being so stupid and ignorant about this? The 1S and Pro arent anywhere near on the same level. The 1S is still a X1 thats just does a regular upscale to the same inferior multiports from the X1 that are 720/900/1080p to 4K, Thats not real 4K, that just upscaled 720/900p games, its still the same sh'tty 720p and 900p ports with a standard/old fashion upscaling. The PS Slim will still outperform the 1S just like the regular PS4 does.

But the Pro is on a whole other level. Using a better checkerboard upscaling process from native resolutions of 3680x2070, 3520x1980, 3360x1890 and 3200x1800 (or other more custom ones). And Sony themselves are advising devs to not go as low as 2560x1440 and then upscale it because they are saying that it does not make a big enough difference and are telling devs to call them if they cant their games to run at above 1440p.

3680x2070, 3520x1980, 3360x1890 and 3200x1800 native res'es are all ready extremely close to true 4K (which is 3840x2160) and then upscaled via a more advanced upscaling technique, so there is a big difference here between this and a 1S. Johan Andersson himself (Frostbite Engine's designer and tech guru) said its not upscaling or native, "its custom".

http://i.imgur.com/deC5Mpz....

And Last of Us Remake and Elder Scrolls Online are already running at native 4K. So get that nonsense, that Pro and 1S are on the same level out of your mind. Cuz its making you look stupid.

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[maybelovehate]

I am not a Ms or Sony fan. I use them both. I prefer pc since it offers more choices but the gpu in ps4 pro isn't one I would ever buy. It is too weak. Both One S and Pro are to appease hdr TV owners. Scorpio is a next gen console. It still won't beat high end pc's but it offer experiences that current gen consoles like ps4 pro cannot.

[ScorpionKing]

The PS5 will be the next one. But i think Xbox will come out with a better one.

[Bolts]

Lol Sony is going on the annual release cycle to keep up with the competition? RIP console gaming then.

[Yetter]

So in another two years Sony is gonna release another console? At what point do console gamers get fed up with constantly being asked to drop another 400$ every couple of years?

[maybelovehate]

Meh, there are new phone models and gpu's every year. About time consoles got with the times and keep up with tech trends.

[SatanicEyeJesus]

IMO Sony is not worried about any Xbox right now and in the next few years, specially Scorpio. They are trying to compete with a far more powerful "enemy": computer gamming.

[SilverDemon]

Ps4 is a computer too
So it's also a "computer gaming"
Its called a pc-_-

[DragonDDark]

Lol

[SatanicEyeJesus]

hahahaha... how clever you are... You deserve a lollipop. Smart boyo!

[Clunkyd]

@SilverDemon
Never go full retard. X'D lol

[bleedsoe9mm]

sooooo microsoft is the enemy , got it

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

Now you know and knowing is half the battle... GO JOE!!! /s

[MasterCornholio]

Maybe Sony is trying to pull a 360 here?

We won't know until we see the sales this holiday season. As long as the system meets Sonys sales targets they will be fine.

[Letthewookiewin]

Master- Sony is going to destroy MS this holiday.

[Tussin187]

Yes they will. Not only are they going to be selling OG PS4's but Pros as well. You're gonna have some current PS4 owners upgrading plus new customers. Then you have people buying OG PS4s because it is cheaper. Let's not even talk about the Black Friday deals.

[EpicSandwich]

The sales helped so much I mean look at the ps pro compared to the scorpio 😂

[iTechHeads]

I don't think they have sales targets yet for the PS4 Pro on its own. They have sales target for the whole PS4 family as a whole. It doesn't matter if you buy the base Ps4 or the Pro both play the same PS4 games and subscribe to the same PSN+.

I do think however that in less than 2 years, the base/slim PS4 will be discontinued while the PS4 Pro will be the only unit, at least until the PS5 comes out.

[kneon]

I think they may keep the slim and just drop the price down to something really cheap, like $199.

The console market has forever changed. With future consoles having backwards and forwards compatibility there is a big incentive to get people into your ecosystem since you're not starting over from scratch with each new generation. Once you have a customer it's easier to keep that customer.

The only reason I could see them dropping it is so that can drop support for it and make the pro the minimum hardware that devs target. But they would need to keep supporting it for at least a few years after it ends production in order to not piss off their customers.

[uth11]

It's a classic Microsoft move that when they catch wind of what a competitor is doing, they announce they have their own plans for a similar product that's coming "someday" and will be better. They idea is to stop people from buying the competitor's product that's available now, and wait, in the meantime they cobble something together.

They dusted off that old playbook for Scorpio

[Ristul]

The thing is, there will always be something more powerful on the horizon, now the most powerful thing coming is the Pro, next is Scorpio, but after that there will be the next thing to take their place. What I think people care about is a product that they feel invested in, and that's were Sony has the advantage. It's just a more established, trusted brand and I don't see that changing any time soon.

[iTechHeads]

yeah and a lot of people are doing exactly what they want, comparing the Scorpio and Pro, which is ridiculous since the Scorpio is pure shovel ware at the moment. It's just a concept right now with a vague release date.

[ShadowWolf712]

The term you're thinking of is vaoprware.

[Xavy]

Yeah MS are desperate and it shows like there fans, PS4 pro will do good look at amazon US and UK its taking the top spot.

[kneon]

It's already the second best seller in video games for September so far.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/b...

Of course those orders won't show up in the official sales numbers until it actually ships

[343_Guilty_Spark]

If that were the case and they were being reactionary they would have upgraded the GPU internals of the Xbox One S to something akin to the PS4Ps 4.2TF. Clearly they did not do this because they were not interested in a mid gen refresh. They released a competent slim refresh with 4k upscaling, 4k Blu-ray playback and HDR at a reasonably low price. Microsoft doesn't appear to have any concern about the PS4P but Sony on the other hand seemed to be fairly shocked by the Scorpio announcement almost like they didn't see it coming.

Look at it like this. I could get a PS4P right now and have the best graphics but keep in mind 1) 99% of gamers don't have a 4k television, 2) the games won't be radical departures from PS4 versions (Horizon still looks really really good on the base PS4). 3) VR still doesn't have a killer app

Also I cannot see Sony releasing another PS console until at least 2020, which means the Scorpio would have at the very least 3 solid years of being the most powerful console in gaming. But if Sony decides to release sooner like 2018 why would I bother with the PS4P?

[kneon]

Had they done that then they would have missed the holiday season. You don't just design a new APU and ramp up production over a weekend.

[uth11]

It looks likely that Sony pulled the Pro from E3 when they got wind of Scorpio. Probably to have internal discussions "should we go back to the drawing board? or should we release what we have, keep the price low and get a year head start on Scorpio?"

Horizon looks really good on vanilla PS4, sure. But the new Pro footage looks a lot better even watching them on my 1080p systems. I watched the new trailer then watched the old demos to see the differences and the old demos just paled in comparison. (lighting and shadows look much improved) I need to scrub the new trailer from my memory so I can go back to enjoying the original graphics

[Jburr94]

My guess is they didn't have much of a choice

[OB1Biker]

No because then they could as well have waited 2 years and release a true new gen early i.e. the PS5

[blackblades]

They said they been working on pro right after ps4 released. Pretty sure they'll start on ps5 right after pro release using bases of pro but much more. Anyway I like the schedule of sony systems right now. This is the right time for the slim and pro as being mid gen lIke usual. Ms should of released scorpio in early 2017 at least.

[OB1Biker]

I appreciate they release a slim too because it means the base model is still relevant and will be supported until next gen alongside the Pro.

[idealty]

People really need tom stop looking at the Pro in the context with Scorpio. They both serve 2 very different purposes. The Pro is meant to be an extension of the PS4 ecosystem and was designed to not alienate the current 40m PS4 audience. It will give the PS4 platform a few more years of technical relevance for those that really care about that. The Scorpio meanwhile is a complete restart for the Xbox One. Microsoft lost the first battle of this generation handedly and they know it. The Scorpio is a clean slate which they really need. It's connection with the Xbox One is through the backward and forward compatibility.

The key with MS is that they have shown in the past they DON'T care about alienating their audience IF they feel that they have lost a generation. That's why the Xbox360 came after only 4 years of the original Xbox. At the time, people were like "wow already". But MS knew that the Xbox wasn't going to beat PS2 and wasn't going to go much further. So they took the "L" and moved on. That's what they are doing here with Scorpio... a new generation platform targeting 4K gaming and VR (Both key features for "next-gen" gaming). Backwards compatible...sure. Xbox One platform will still be supported...sure for a while (forward compatibility). But I guarantee that unlike PS4 Pro, Scorpio WILL have exclusive games built for it in the not too distant future.

Sony will have another " true next gen" console 1-2 years after Scorpio is released that will likely dwarf the Scorpio specs. And the cycle continues :) So the way to really look at this is that the Scorpio is an "early" next-gen launch. The really interesting thing here is that for the past 15 or so years, MS and Sony have been marching to the same drum in terms of launch timeline for their consoles. Now they are staggered and doing a "tick-tock" sort of launch. It'll be really interesting to see how this plays out.

[OB1Biker]

Scorpio wont have exclusive games, they ll be at least on PC too. Its part of a restart like you said but in line with their new approach to console gaming which also involves 'gaming beyond generation' meaning its not a change of generation either.
I think the main reason for the power is to be VR capable which PlayStation already is since they have their own VR product and dont need to adapt to third party products.

[RememberThe357]

Absolutely not.

[Aenea]

What would have been the point to wait? That they could match the 6 Tflops of the Scorpio and then still need to not be able, like the Scorpio, to offer native 4k FOR EVERY SINGLE GAME?

Why not get it out now and have a year headstart on the competition?

[shaenoide]

Nope. Even a GTX 1080 (9 TFLOPs) is not powerful enough to run every game at 4k(native)/60fps. In a year, the Scorpio will have the same issues (6 Tflops).

Another problem is game optimization. We have more powerfull GPU but more "demanding" game. I don't think 6 TFLOps will be enough for 4K

We still don't have 1080p/60fps on console and Microsoft is trying to sell us a native 4K gaming seriously with a 6 TFLOPs GPU/APU?

I think the PS4 PRO is more realistic for the next 3-4 years with (maybe) a 1080p/60 fps experience and a 4K upscaling.

But it's just my opinion.

[EpicSandwich]

4tf is more realistic then 6tf yep that totally makes so much sense dude

[shaenoide]

4tf is more realitist for a 1080p/60fps experience upscalled to 4K than a 6tf product for a native 4K/60 fps experience.

[Goldby]

EPic,
did you even red the comment of start buckling your knees at the thought of 4k?

Scorpio is promised to be 4k gaming at 6tf. that will be very tough to do and keep the same quality in the games.
PS4P is for 1080p/60fps and upscales from it's native 1440p to 4k. that is easier to do with 4tf than native 4k with 6

[opinionated]

No. It's a ps4, it's not the ps5. The pspro is equivalent to the Xbox slim. The ps5 will compete with the Scorpio. Waiting a year would just prolong the ps5. They did the right thing.

[iTechHeads]

'The pspro is equivalent to the Xbox slim'

What. In.The. Hell.
The Xbox One Slim isn't even in the same league as the PS4 Pro. That's a ridiculous comparison.

Xbox One = 1.3TF
PS4 Pro = 4.2TF

[opinionated]

The ps4 pro is bound by the OG ps4 though. The pro will have the same framerates so the OG is still a viable option unlike the OG Xbox. The pro and Xbox slim will both have HDR gaming content and 4K upscaling. So no, it's not a ridiculous comparison. The Scorpio is not an iteration of the Xbox one like the pspro is for ps4. The Scorpio is the next generation, comparing the pspro to that is the ridiculous comparison.

[Keltech]

I'm with opiniated.

Just cause the teraflops are not close it doesn't mean the two shouldn't be compared. Jus like opiniated mentioned; the S is an extension of the one and the Pro is an extension of the PS4. The Scorpio is Microsoft's next gen console. I have no doubt in a year the Pro and "Scorpio" will be compared, and it will be because the PS4 will still be supported.

[kraenk12]

Yet there are only 50 dollars between them.

[welly300]

Wow! Sony so many mistakes in the last few months it's like they want to lose. I was a Sony fan but what is the point of the slim? they take a great looking console turn into a turd. Pro, did they run out of ideas? Nothing positive from Sony in ages no mods for fallout, skyrim, no cross platform play. I'd go Microsoft if I was in the market for a new console even though I hate the ui on the Xbox 1

[Pricey]

"I was a Sony fan"

welly300 899d ago
2015
1st xbox1
2nd wii u
3rd ps4 (no longer in production)
R.i.p sony
:)

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

There's nothing I hate more in this site than these fake fantards

[MasterCornholio]

R.I.P his prediction.

Thanks for confirming what he is.

Edit:

And hes mad that you caught him.

LOL

[Xavy]

HAHA desperate Xb fanboys,

[welly300]

Perhaps you lot need to wake up and see Sony are taking us for granted. Yes I am a ps4 fan but not so much Sony and the way they are doin business at the mo.

[Keltech]

HaHaHa!! Pricey, Thank you for showing us the one out of many fake PlayStation gamers on this site

[RosweeSon]

Could have, should have? I personally don't think so I like companies that think outside the box and don't just do what the others are doing sure Sony could have gone oh no Microsoft are doing 4K blu Ray drive and and 6 teraflops, but that's all ifs and buts as sure Microsoft have stated that's what they are aiming for but if it's gonna clock in at £400-500? Sure you'll get the people with 4K tellys rushing out to grab one but the majority of the gaming scene? Nah minority sure 4K is picking up and ps2 having a DVD player was a massive success for Sony. At the end of the day tho if they can keep the cost down hence £349 without the 4K drive why if they've got a year head start on Scorpio would they want to offer a 4K player just because Xbox our if anything Sony will get the 4K blu Rays flying off the shelf and Microsoft reap the benefits in a years time? Sony would rather it was blu Ray and HD DVD style Sony media success Xbox not so successful (major failure really) Sony are just doing there thing, currently Xbox out but we all saw after Xbox one reveal the amount of 180's and 360's being pulled thought Tony Hawks was running the show, what's to say Microsoft don't turn round in 6 months and go yeah it's only gonna be 5 teraflops or so to keep costs down. Would still be better than ps4's able to do and Xbox would have a 4K drive also. I personally think Sony happy to Ride Blu Ray out for remainder of this generation, 3-4 years? Then they'll come back with their own media format again, 8K-12K? Ps5 2020?.

[Lbolt187]

no I like sony doing their own thing and MS doing their own thing.

[Hroach616]

Here's my stance as the facts are right now and from what we hear of the Scorpio. This from someone who mainly uses his PS4, but I do have an X1 for exclusives.

I will be getting the PS4P, I already pre ordered it, as I want the best CONSOLE gaming I can have. Plus I also pre ordered the PSVR and am looking at 4K tvs right now. It's roughly double the power of the OG PS4. So I want it. I game regularly enough to warrant the purchase for myself personally. It may not be the 6TFLOPS that was rumored, but it's what we're getting so be it.

When the Scorpio drops and if it's truely as powerful as they say I'll get that to a year down the line. No complaints about it, no fanboyism. I play games, on whatever system they may be on. I hope the Scorpio is great. Until then I'll have a pretty good system to play on.

Not sure why any of these things are major issues. Do I have some minor complaints? Sure. They could have done a few things with the PS4P differently. But it's what we're getting so I'll just enjoy what is on offer.

[SirBradders]

Well said I completely agree.

[Rhezin]

They should have done away with a .5 console, but instead focus their efforts on an incredible PS5.

[hiawa23]

I say no, Sony made the console they wanted. We can woulda coulda shoulda everything in life. No, they made the console they wanted, and it was important enough to them that they release it in 2016. End of discussion. Sony knows how to run the Playstation division. I and most are not qualified to question that.

[BraidedWALLACE]

native 4k 60FPS with no compromise. I'm sorry M$ pushing that Bs, at what price point. Maybe lower graphic textures etc. There ain't no Graphic card out there that can do 4k native 60fps without compromise.

[iTechHeads]

No.
The current specs are amazing at the $399 price.

Base PS4 is the limiting factor and devs can only do so much with the extra power on the Pro. If for some reason you think the PS4 Pro isn't powerful enough, wait for the PS5. That'll be at least 10x are powerful.

[Destiny1080]

there's lots of options for gamers right know buy the ps4-pro in a few weeks or wait a year for the scorpio or wait another year for the ps5

the pro will capture the entry level 4k market, while the ps5 will capture the high end 4k market

things are only starting to get interesting

[XMarkstheSpot]

Good stuff, but lets not jump to conclusions and act like its a fact the PS5 will come a year after Scorpio regardless of what dots you connect

[Kmarvel]

It's a more powerful Playstation at the same price of a launch PS4. No having UHD Blu-Ray is a stumble, but not a dealbreaker. It will have the field all by itself for nearly a year before Scorpio hit the market. Not to mention Playstation brand own the mindset of the world. Maybe Scorpio may lead in North America, maybe, but the world is Playstation oyster. We just have to see just how far ahead the PS4 Pro can sprint before Scorpio is launch.

[CreepyZombieBoy]

A 6 year lifespan for this generation of consoles is the perfect amount of time. I have said this before in another post but I will say it again for this one. PS4 launched November 2013 > 3 years later we get the PS4 Slim (same tech as original model) September 2016 and PS4 Pro (Same tech only slightly upgraded) November 2016. Now we go another 3 years in the future to November 2019, which will mark the PS4 6 years old. A nice lifespan that is respecting both the current console and respecting the consumer. That leaves us with a release of 2020 for a true next gen playstation (PS5 ?). I see this pro as an option. No one is forcing you to buy it and more than likely we will have sony's next gen console in 2020 but then again that's just my guess.

[Keltech]

Sony introduces a new console every 6 years or so, and they support it for about 9-10 years. The sixth year for the PS4 will be 2019. I think Sony will introduce the PS5 in 2018 and release it in 2019.

[_-EDMIX-_]

No. This could be stated about any product that's ever going to release the reality is Sony's job is to make money and this unit at 399 upscaling 4K and having native 4k on specific titles is going to make money easily for this company I see no reason to jump to go seek a better GPU especially considering their games are the driving force behind their sales not power what does that power mean if the price is too high?

Microsoft needs to brag about power I completely get it and understand it this is business they need to be ruthless and they need to go with works for them, but in my personal opinion I believe what they should be focusing on is their games division because people are not purchasing meaningless Hardware simply because of increments of power, their purchasing it because there is a game they wish to play to actually compliment the utilization of this power in the first place.
How many of you guys would jump and run out the door if you heard that Ouya was releasing with a 10 teraflop console? Exactly lol

We all still play games for the exact same damn reasons, for fun and if your platform doesn't have fun games to be quite honest a power War should be the least of your worries.

There's a good reason why PlayStation 2 beat Xbox.

[King_Lothric]

"Should Sony Have Waited A Year And Reworked The PS4 Pro Into Something More Powerful Like Scorpio?"

Nope. The PS5 will take care of that. PS4 Pro is a more powerful PS4 on the current generation for those who wants to go pro. If not, then you have the current PS4 model who is currently dominating the generation and if you want to enter a new way of gaming then there is PSVR.

If you can see, Sony is covering all the bases for the current generation while Microsoft had to wait for more than a year away to see if their new generation console can help them take some more share in the market.

[Christopher]

Essentially: Should we have two companies doing the exact same thing?

Personally, no. Let them do their own thing and see who wins. It breeds competition.

[jonivtec]

My gtx 1070 OC struggle to achieve 60 fps at 4k in most game,I have to drop some settings.I can't see a 4 teraflops console achieve 4k 60 fps without some serious compromise .So yeah scorpio will be the most judisious choice for 4k gaming.Personnaly,i think 30fps gaming should stop.Dev's need to focus on 60 fps and adjust everything around this target.

[Destiny1080]

the gtx 1070 can do this at 4k:

Rise of the Tomb Raider / very high quality - 39fps

Dirt Rally / Ultra - 53fps

Ashes of the Singularity / extreme - 41fps

Battlefield 4 / Ultra - 60fps

Crysis 3 / Very high + FXAA - 28fps

The Witcher 3 / Ultra - 28-35fps

The Division / Ultra - 32fps

GTA V / Very High - 22-29fps

Hitman / Ultra - 40fps

the gtx 1070 is 6.46 TFLOPS

[Speak_da_Truth]

No! When it was said that the OG Ps4 was 50% more powerful than the OG Xb1, ppl said they couldn't tell the difference but now all of a sudden their eyes will suddenly become sharper.

[EpicSandwich]

Xbox and ps4 had half a tf difference. Scorpio and ps pro have 2 tf difference. That's a major difference and will be clearly obvious.

Speak
Yep and pspro has the same ram and scorpio is using 12gb so the gap Is much much bigger

[Speak_da_Truth]

You forgot that the OG Ps4 is also equipped with 8gb of GDDR5 ram where's the OG xb1 has ddr3

[DJ]

Except it may not be. PS4 uses faster GDDR5 memory and double the GPU compute units compared to Xbox One. That's where the real power advantage came from. With Scorpio, if they're still using slow DDR3 (which for compatibility reasons they probably are) then that will make the 6TF GPU they're using just on par with the 4.2TF PS4 Pro GPU.

If you've ever seen benchmarks for DDR3 based GPUs vs GDDR5 GPUs, there's an almost 2:1 power difference, even with identical chipsets.

[EpicSandwich]

They won't be using ddr3. Rumours they are using ZEN

[Aenea]

@Epic

"They won't be using ddr3. Rumours they are using ZEN"

LOL, you're hilarious! Do you even know what those 2 things even are and/or mean? Sounds like you don't, let me help you there: one is a type of memory, the other is a model of CPU.

See, they have nothing to do with one another.

[SojournUK]

No

[Mithan]

They both should have come out with totally brand new consoles, that are much more powerful than the current generation but 100% backwards compatible with the old systems and the games working on both, just at lesser graphics settings.

PS4 and Xbox One are both crap systems when all is said and done, and they are now 3 years old, and it shows. It is obvious Microsoft wants to abandon their crap Xbox One, and it is obvious Sony wants more power.

PS4 Pro's concept is also crap. What they should have done was added a great 4k upscaller and added Ultra HD to the system, them targeted it for "improved 1080p" games. Basically giving gamers the option of playing the same games, at much higher graphics settings, akin to a PC.

The Scorpio is a little bit better, since has quite a bit more power, but they should of saved that for a totally new console and gone with 8-9TFlops including a much better CPU, but keeping full backwards compatibility and allowing Xbox Scorpio games to run on older Xbox's with reduced capability. Then those that want old crappy looking games could play them, and those that want better looking games, could get that.

As it stands, I have a PC so I don't need an Xbox.
I own a PS4 for the 3 or 4 exclusives I may want to play a year, but those are becoming less and less important. Bloodborn and the Last of Us are the only PS4 exclusives I really cared about in the last 5 years, and it isn't worth a console purchase.

You can all disagree with me, it is ok but deep down inside, you know I am right. These consoles are crap and the idea of us keeping them around for another 2 or 3 years? Please, move on.

[jts1891]

Personally, MS and Sony both should've waited another 2 years and released an entirely new generation in 2018. But between the two of them, Sony is screwing over their customers less, as the disparity between the PS4 and the Pro is unlikely to lead to poor optimization on either console. The same can't be said for the One and the Scorpio. Either devs will focus on the One, and the all that extra power players paid for in the Scorpio will mostly go to waste, or they'll focus on the Scorpio, and people who have the One will get shittily optimized ports.

[Sevir]

What's the point... the message would have been the same, it's a powerful machine designed to deliver richer graphics and higher resolutions that you need a 4k TV to enjoy the benefits of.... you think Scorpio is going to be any different. MS will do exactly the same, and tell you you need 4k TV, and will the media complain about that the same way they are about the PRO?

[Neonridr]

meh, someone always has to fire first. It's the nature of the game. Whoever shows up later usually gets the advantage of a technically superior console. But sometimes being late to the party is a disadvantage because it allows the competition to get a large install base during their absence.

[NobleRed]

Should Sony Have Waited A Year And Reworked The PS4 Pro Into Something More Powerful Like Scorpio?

Nope.Sony will release two or three years later a PS5.

[EpicSandwich]

Ps5 is releasing in December
Ps6 in January

Lol u have to wait atleast 4 more years for ps5

[Aenea]

"at least 4 more years"?

Source please!

[DJ]

Or a PS4 Pro S

[Xavy]

hahah MS and its fans are scared of the one year head start. PS4 Pro will do fine.

[EpicSandwich]

They're scared of a weak console with no uhd player that can't even do native 4k? Lmao dude the internet is laughing at those who mention scorpio because the xbox slim even has better features

[Aenea]

Then explain to me that since September 7 all of you Xbox fanboys are all over these PS4 Pro articles spreading FUD and downplaying everything?

Because you're not worried? Because you'r confident you precious MS might release a console that is better next year?

Then why not smile to yourself and move on, not these childish trolling attempts.

[leeeroythe3rd]

Ps4 pro seems to be a good product adding to capabilities of sony line. I am excited for upgrade even though i normally play xbox die to network and controller preference. This is the start of a cycle of products if successful. I expect a 2 to 3 year update for both platforms.

More now is a great move. 4k capability while limited will still be enough to entice people to upgrade and become the standard ps4 in less than 2 years

[Darkwatchman]

No. I want FF15 on pro now. Not next year

[Saito]

Sony upgraded a PS4. MS built a brand new console. Sony just giving gamers a option to upgrade their current model. MS is trying to cover lost tracks with the One and start over again. Pro is not competing with Scorpio whatsoever. No pressure on the market leader, just the contenders for the spot. Hell MS might lose consumers with Scorpio for purely going after the "Most Powerful Console" since the One range is about 20-25 and the X1s might be the same but the probability of Scorpio selling less is in the same release frame is likely this creating confusion to the buyers but their fanboys are just as lost as ever without new titles to release and reinstate the MS brand then that should wrap the console business up cuz the Big 3 has been worn out for years the title of Xbox are just not as exciting as their rivals do something about those games cuz power wont just save you

[BlackOliveGames]

It does not work like that. Or rather, if they WERE to do something similar, it would almost certainly end in disaster.

[DJ]

No, it doesn't matter too much. The lack of a 4K blu-ray drive may be short sighted, but the primary motivation seems to be the profit generated by Sony's PS Store. It's a great opportunity for Microsoft to say "Hey, we care about 4K more than Sony because we have two consoles with 4K blu-ray drives and Sony has none."

To play 4K games without visual compromises, you need the equivalent of a GTX Titan.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

If that were the case and they were being reactionary they would have upgraded the GPU internals of the Xbox One S to something akin to the PS4Ps 4.2TF. Clearly they did not do this because they were not interested in a mid gen refresh. They released a competent slim refresh with 4k upscaling, 4k Blu-ray playback and HDR at a reasonably low price. Microsoft doesn't appear to have any concern about the PS4P but Sony on the other hand seemed to be fairly shocked by the Scorpio announcement almost like they didn't see it coming.

Look at it like this. I could get a PS4P right now and have the best graphics but keep in mind 1) 99% of gamers don't have a 4k television, 2) the games won't be radical departures from PS4 versions (Horizon still looks really really good on the base PS4). 3) VR still doesn't have a killer app

Also I cannot see Sony releasing another PS console until at least 2020, which means the Scorpio would have at the very least 3 solid years of being the most powerful console in gaming. But if Sony decides to release sooner like 2018 why would I bother with the PS4P, I'd just get a cheap original PS4 and hold out until PS5.

[Masta Kaos]

Scorpio is going to be a disaster trust me...I can feel it. It's like Microsoft knew about PS4 Pro when E3 was getting closer and they decided to scribble something up very quickly and called it Scorpio just like they did with Milo & Cloud. The specs that they promising people won't make sense when it comes to pricing

[kraenk12]

That's exactly what happened.

[EpicSandwich]

Yep it's all scribbled on a piece of paper.

[senorfartcushion]

Yes but the boxes were already complete. They spent too much money building the things. If they were given the choice, they would take it back.

[darksky]

3 years after the PS4 is not bad timing at all. After another 3years Sony can then announce PS5 with >10 Teraflops and if it's based on AMD gpu's again it will retain backwards compatibility.

[DrDunc]

-No mod support

-No fall games lineup

-No 4K UHD player

-No backwards compatibility

-PS4 Pro is 50% weaker than Scorpio and doesn't do native 4K

-No EA Access

-$10 PS+ price hike for a service that is down for maintenance or hacked every day

-No ability to change your gamertag

#4theplayers

[kraenk12]

-that salt

[bleedsoe9mm]

just facts

[EpicSandwich]

Is be salty too if I didn't get those features so we completely understand why you're sad and salty

[CernaML]

-Still sells the most consoles.

[joab777]

I agree 100% but I think they were well into production when MS announced. That said, if it is gonna be iterative, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony announce a PS5, or a PS4 Plus at E3 2018. This way, they boost sales for the next 12 months and then, shortly after Scorpio release, they offer something else.

Right now, whichever company goes subsidized will win hands down. If the PS4 Pro was $199 (or less) with a 2 yr contract, it would sell gangbusters.

Otherwise this move by Sony is the beginning of an eventual downfall. Why release 2 new systems when you are pushing VR. No one is gonna have money for both. It's mind numbing tbh. And while the PS3 caught up b/c of psn and the blu-ray, the Pro won't even have a 4k blu ray.

Is this Sony's huge blunder...or a brilliant move to stay 1 step ahead? We will see.

[RevXM]

No it shouldnt be coming any later. its already too little too late and Ps5 is coming.
If anything the pro is what the original Ps4 should have been, now it just exists because of VR and 4K screens.
Pro is a niche system. its nice, but it isnt for everyone and it doesnt make sense for many to run out and get it.

Im going to wait for next gen. Ps5 surely is coming and I wouldnt waste money I can barely scrape togheter on a slight uppgrade when I can wait a couple more years and save some more and get the next gen system that does it all and does it better and with shiny new exclusives made to take advantage of multiple times the power of the previous console. in the mean time I already have a launch ps4 and its going to play the same games as the pro and it will look 95% the same.

[ssj27]

Why waste money on ps5. If ps6 is coming with even better grafics 8k (maybe upscaling to be fair) if not better wait for the ps6 pro which will do native 8k yes. Or etc etc etc keep waiting lol

[RevXM]

Because I dont have a Ps5? it will probably be a huge improvement?

The difference between pro and Ps4 is not enough for most to justify the upgrade especially when PS5 is likely to hit within 3 years from now and will not be twice the power and half optimized... but MULTIPLE times more powerful and run new exclusives made and optimized for it and its new hardware.

If you have a 2016 "Insert car make and model" would you take the loss and uppgrade next year if the new version of the same car has 5 more horsepower and red leather stitching? no?

Now wait for the 2020 model and it has all new and improved suspension, interior and 50 horsepower more and 70 more newton metres of torque, uses less fuel, weighs less and brakes to a stop in 70% of the length of the previous one... what do you do?
Makes sense to not wait and get the slightly better 2017 one... it has red leather stitching, why wait? Genious!

[joeorc]

Here is the realistic Question you have to ask..was BD-UHD playback more important that getting HDR support on a software Level for all PS4 games , not only a possibility of past PS4 games getting it patched in but now all future PS4 games now having HDR added to the games.

That means any system Past the PS4 Pro would already have the HDR functionality for the next upgraded system.

Sony I think wagered unlike them Microsoft's original Xbox one Could not get HDR added on a Hardware level.. So I think Sony is betting on majority of Development studio's & Publishers adding HDR to Sony's systems first before adding any to The Xbox one due to no HDR compliancy. It's a pretty good argument I think with 43+ million vs just the Xbox One S right now only having HDR among the Xbox one system models out there..

Many developers are it seems very interested in adding HDR..no doubt Xbox one S will get some support for HDR added..but it may not be nearly as much as the PS4 may get.

Upgrading to BD-UHD later would be cheaper to include further down the line.

[fanboysmackdown]

Scorpio will come out at the right time for me as I will upgrade my tv then and The Pro is too early imo. I'll wait for The Pro.....who knows, maybe I'll buy it the same time as Scorpio, it might have dropped in price by then too.

[bleedsoe9mm]

me too the pro isn't enough of a power jump for me to move up my 4k planning , probably will pick it up in 2018 after scorpio and my 4ktv

[Tobsesan]

Its so pro, it has to upscale to get to 4K !!! #4theplayer we just don't like mods, here you don't have em. We don't like EA Access, here you don't have it. Want UHD Player? Go buy one for 400$!! Such Pro, much 4 the players.

/s

[ssj27]

PlayStation is so cool it gives incentives to it users to get a xboxslim as their uhd players lol

[butchertroll]

Quote :

So you are telling us GPU is the only power a console has? There won't be the same ol chipsets like in the PS4 pro. Why invest into a VR system now that hasn't even 1 good game coming and is the known worst one in the business at the higher Tier. Why invest into a console that only ups GPU power? Why buy a new console after 3 years? Why Release 2 new Consoles 2 months apart? Doesn't that kill its own business?

You could just enjoy your Xbox One for 4 Years, get the Scorpio, get Vive and have the best possible console with the best possible VR System with the BEST games running on it. Heck, even Fallout 4 gets made for VR and its NOT on PSVR.

So you have to options:

1. Buy a the most powerfull console for 1 year at 400$ and get the worst VR experience with it
2. Wait another Year and get a TRUE 4K Gaming Console with the best possible VR experience

This is fact, but you can downvote me now, because you guys don't like hearing the truth.

....

This is such a bullshit post. No single good game for PSVR. How do you know? Did you tried it? Everything in PS4 Pro is upgraded : CPU clock, RAM bandwidth and GPU the most.
PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro are total different consoles for different public.

You could just enjoy your Xbox One for 4 Years? Naaaah! Can't play BF1 at 720p on Xbone. 900p is minimum.

[Tobsesan]

CPU and RAM are still the same as in standard ps4, only the CPU got overclocked which doesn't do much soooooo

its 720p, but we all love upscaling now, so that doesn't matter right? Because true 4k doesn't matter anymore, its all about that upscaling!!!

[butchertroll]

500 Mhz upclock more. Yeah, won't do much. 23% more RAM bandwidth, won't do much? How do you know?

No wonder why you have bunch of disagree votes in this thread. You desperately want all PS devices to fail. LOL

[2600Thunder]

They had already pulled the trigger on manufacturing and could not stop that train. It is a direct competitor to the X1S for this next year, not the Scorpio which is still over a year away (a lot can change for or against the Scorpio). I am only responding to the title, not clicking on Gamingbolt (a site on my shit list).

[jay2]

No. Due to xbone s. Give it18 months ps5 annoucment

[susanto1228]

Sony was pushed into a corner by MSFT end of story...probably should of waited till next year I fully agree.

[hsark]

I think what you all seem it forget is this is a 3 horse race Nintendo is in a tougher spot than bot MS and Sony as there releasing a new product that has to be in the price range of the Pro while compete with the media buzz when Scorpio releases

[migh_and_highty]

So if Xbox announced Xbox Two/720 sony should never release another console until they release PS5? So effing stupid

[Livecustoms]

YES, yes they should have or they should've waited till 2018/19 and just released the Ps5.

[EpicSandwich]

They really should have, this is too weak for an upgrade and is a slap in the face to all Sony fans

[jznrpg]

Nope, MS started Scorpio because they got wind of Neo last year, announced first to say hey we have something too that is why iy comes out over a year later than announcement

[feraldrgn]

No because the PS4 Pro isn't in reaction to the Scorpio, they're doing their own thing.

[Inzo]

No

[alb1899]

I don't see things so positive for Sony as some here. You guys think that SONY doesn't care about MS and Scorpio but think that MS does everything thinking in SONY's products.......well, both companies have a lot of worries about each other. So much that the e3 of both was planned with them in mind.
I think SONY did wrong because VR isn't

[XXanderXX]

No one need worry they are sony they will be fine .

[Captain_Tom]

LOL easy answer: NO.

The X2 will be 30-40% stronger, which is less than the 50-75% advantage the PS4 had over the X1. Not only that but it launching A FULL YEAR earlier and for a lower price.

By the time the X2 comes out it will be competing with a $299 PS4 Pro with a mountain of games supporting it.

[Lennoxb63]

You don't know what the hell you're talking about. If the original PS4 was 50%-75% stronger than the X1, it'd be running almost every game at 1080p 60fps.

[conanlifts]

Nah. Now is good with ps pro, scorpio next year, ps5 1-2 years later, scorpio pro the following year etc etc.

[windblowsagain]

@septic.

I'll wait till there's so real hardware that pushes 6.2tf from MS.

The only way MS will do any damage with Scorpio is to literally throw millions at it in Advertising and having AAA i.p's

I'm all for competition. Makes the other push harder and give more stuff to consumers.

[ChickenOfTheCaveMan]

I don't think so, by the time Scorpio releases, we'll be less than three years away from the real next gen. The specs will also push the price to 600+$ which is a bit much but then again I didn't think a 150$ controller would be selling. It's two perfectly good ways at approaching a mid-gen console, late in the gen/pricey/very powerful vs perfect timing/affordable/powerful.

[LastCenturyRob]

Yes they should have, but they were already locked in with all the R&D costs of the Pro that I doubt they gave retooling much consideration. Outside of Playstation Sony still isn't doing great. No way they would OK an all new build after the pro was pretty much ready to go.

[Scatpants]

Nah There's no console as powerful as it for the next whole year. All that time They'll be getting more and more market share. Then a year or 2 after Scorpio releases they'll come out with a console beating it.

[daynnight365]

Nope, they're right on schedule.
The icing on the cake would've been to include the 4k bluray player imo, if only to say "yes we have it"

[medman]

Why would they wait? Scorpio is doing the same thing the ps4 pro is doing....neither the ps4 pro or scorpio will have exclusive games tailored specifically for them, they will just have prettier versions of the same games you're already getting for ps4 and xbox one, that will also occasionally offer better framerates for single player games.

Sony gets out a year early, albeit with weaker hardware ultimately, but for Sony gamers it really doesn't matter much because of the many exclusives coming to ps4 that are not playable on an xbox console. So even when 3rd party games look better on the Scorpio a year from now, the ps4 exclusives will still look great on the pro, because that's the only place you will see them. The Scorpio, meanwhile, will not even have the best looking versions of it's own games, the pc will take that crown, so.........

[Warshade]

Nope I build big powerful PCs I like my consoles nice and cheap. This may give me a reason to buy a 4k TV.

[Hardiman]

I don't think so. The upgrade is a cool option and I'll get one but the software is what has me excited. Powerful hardware without adequate software is a sad world.

[jts1891]

Nope. The disparity between the PS4 and the Pro is not so large that players will be screwed over by poor optimization as they are so similar. People who purchase the Pro will get higher framerates and resolution, but that's it, as that's all the extra power is really good for. Games will be developed for the PS4, and performance will be amped up for the Pro.

The same can't said for the Xbox One and Scorpio. The difference between the two is much larger. My biggest worry is that the end result will be similar to the first year or two of this generation, when games were still being released on the P33 and 360. There were plenty of titles that should have ran just fine on the older hardware, but suffered from significant performance issues due to poor optimization as devs focused on the PS4 and Xbox One.

Once the Scorpio is released, there is a strong chance that developers will focus primarily on it, especially if it does well. In that case, those of us who own the original Xbox One are going to get burned.

[plmkoh]

Early release and price is always an advantage over features that the mainstream can't differentiate.

[YAO-BLING]

nope, ps5 will be waiting for scorpio

[FPS_D3TH]

They wouldn't have to if they had included a 4K Blu Ray player but they didn't and to myself and many that made it pointless for me to buy into 4K this year. That and not supporting mods made it easier for me to wait on Scorpio or perhaps build a PC even that's more money and time I don't really have to get what I want if I go that route, but with already owning two ps4s I'll just save my money for Scorpio next year and grab a nice 4K tv at the same time.

[King_Lothric]

Very interesting

Xbox enthusiasts clearly said that the 50% extra power of the PS4 over the Xbox one was NOTHING but now they are claiming that 43% extra power of the Scorpio is a big deal 😁

Wow

Too much contradiction.

[mahmoods26]

When was it ever 50% extra power? At the most it's more like 25% with the Xbox one having the edge in CPU. The reason why the Xbox One lost sales was because of it's price and form factor. Now the slim version is selling better because its at a better price point.

[mahmoods26]

This is a ridiculous article. First off it's easy to say that a console will be more powerful when it's released a full year after this one. We don't know the specs or if the increased specs will make a real world difference. Secondly, we don't know the price of the Scorpio. Think of it this way, if the Scorpio releases with a $500 price tag and the pro has a 50-100 dollar price drop around it's release which do you think people will go for. Both do 4K gaming, both are pretty much the same in terms of graphics with a few exceptions. This isn't a 720p vs 1080p argument. Both these consoles aren't powerful enough to do native 4K. Also it's incredibly ridiculous to think that sony was planning the NEO because they heard of the Scorpio and were rushing to market. Designing and testing these products take years of R&D. It's more likely it was the other way around which is why the Scorpio is taking a year longer to come out.

[svoulis]

Honestly I feel this was the perfect time basically mid way through the generation for PS4. Its a refresh with enhanced graphics and resolution. It isn't meant to be the next big system and its priced fairly well for what it has to offer. I am excited for it. If this system cost more than 400 I probably wouldn't be as interested.

[MrSec84]

Sony has the mind-share locked up for the next 12 months, which worked perfectly for them back in the 6th gen, not to forget that the current Playstation console ecosystem will have access to more real exclusives and bigger marketing deals in general.
Cost and size of the Pro will also be much more appealing for the masses.

Scorpio is going to need to be at least a 30% bigger device than the Pro, the size difference didn't work out well for the XB1 compared to the launch PS4.
Power is one thing, but it's unlikely to go beyond the potential memory bandwidth/size or GPU improvements.
6TFlops is still not enough to run modern games like Battlefield 1 at native 4K 60FPS or Witcher 3 at even 4K 30FPS, you need at least 7.36TFlops to do that and potentially you'd still suffer frame drops.
Scorpio may run games at a 30% higher resolution than Pro, it's possible the added memory bandwidth will help too, but there will be limits and tech is only one part of a much bigger picture.

[MagicBeanz]

"This is important- among the many reasons that the Pro looks like a relatively unappealing product is the simple fact that we already know that the Scorpio exists"

Well no it actually doesn't exist, unless bullet points in a presentation is what you consider "existing" now. Lets see a more powerful system now or wait a year or more for a supposed one. FYI if PRO is $400 and Scorpio is supposed to be so much more powerful, take a wild guess how much its going to cost.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

Ha ha. Hilarious. One console has a year headstart and a long list of Exclusives to entice gamers to buy it. The other has more power, Multiplats only and it releases next year.

I think we all know what's going to happen.

[dmbatty]

As an outsider looking in my take on it is slightly different. What if Sony blindsided Microsoft earlier this year with their intention to release the more powerful neo (now pro) in the near future. Microsoft had to do something to counter this so they cobbled together the concept of scorpio for E3 stating that this would be the most powerful console ever released come Dec 2017. They already knew what neo's specs would be so just made sure that scorpio would dramatically beat neos specs while giving themselves enough time to actually build it. Neo was only ever intended as an incremental upgrade to take advantage of VR, better frame rates & resolution, and by the looks of it, it achieves all this at a reasonable price. Microsoft have in fact dampened enthusiasm for neo as their eventual and proposed Scorpio specs are so much better. Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of the Xbox one (I own both and Xbox one and ps4), but my thinking is that its Microsoft that have pulled a bit of a fast one here. Now we have to wait and see if Microsoft can deliver on their promises (which they most likely can as they have much deeper pockets than Sony). Will be interesting to see how all this plays out over the next 12 months...

[dmbatty]

As an outsider looking in my take on it is slightly different. What if Sony blindsided Microsoft earlier this year with their intention to release the more powerful neo (now pro) in the near future. Microsoft had to do something to counter this so they cobbled together the concept of scorpio for E3 stating that this would be the most powerful console ever released come Dec 2017. They already knew what neo's specs would be so just made sure that scorpio would dramatically beat neos specs while giving themselves enough time to actually build it. Neo was only ever intended as an incremental upgrade to take advantage of VR, better frame rates & resolution, and by the looks of it, it achieves all this at a reasonable price. Microsoft have in fact dampened enthusiasm for neo as their eventual and proposed Scorpio specs are so much better. Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of the Xbox one (I own both and Xbox one and ps4), but my thinking is that it's Microsoft that have pulled a bit of a fast one here. Now we have to wait and see if Microsoft can deliver on their promises (which they most likely can as they have much deeper pockets the Sony). Will be interesting to see how all this plays out of the next 12 months...

[timlot]

AMD announced three semi-custom chip win early this year.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

One was the new chip for PS4 Pro. The other we two we found out after Microsoft made their E3 announcement.
https://twitter.com/amd/sta...
They were the revised chip for XBox One S and the new chip for Scorpio.

So PS4 Pro, XB1 S and the Scorpio chips were being developed by AMD at the same time.

[RosweeSon]

Wait another year for the competiton or get it out and sell another 10-15 million+ consoles in the next year? Scorpio could be done and dusted before it even releases if Sony are then nearer 50-60-70 million consoles sold.

[RosweeSon]

Microsoft are 100% certain they can offer 6 teraflops at an affordable price? Don't think so that's why they gave themselves over a year, by which point I'm sure they are hoping the components they need will be cheaper, otherwise they gonna make 6 teraflops and put a 4K drive in and still get it out for cheaper than the original console they launched? Very doubtful when they know it's the most expensive console on the marketplace if they achieve what they are aiming for, if it is the most powerful console you'll see a price to reflect it as its from Microsoft they were charging £429 for launch console sure it had Kinect 🙄, Scopio is gonna clear £400-500 easily.
Sure Sony could have put a 4K drive in at a price but we'd have been paying when they know a good 80% of their gamers aren't on 4K and not like Sony don't sell movies on their marketplace they've kept costs down for consumers and sure no 4K drive but can still watch and stream (ok not the best way to do it with the amount of data) but can always purchase from the digital store.

[BludoDaSmelly]

They're gonna be behind the power of the scorpio.

[AndreR]

they should have released ps4 pro 3 years ago as the original ps4

[paulogy]

Everyone's talking like they're not working on a PS5 right now (or a PS4 Pro II for that matter). Will that next unit come out next year when Scorpio does (if it's not delayed)? No. But by 2018 we'll probably be hearing about it, if not buying it. How will the power compare to PS4 Pro, and Scorpio then?

[Miacosa]

The irons where in the coals for a while now and it was way to late to pull back. That does not matter now and in a few years time when the next PlayStation console rev comes out ahead of Microsoft then they will be in the position that their box is seen to have "less power". This is what happens when there is a rotating electronics schedule the specs are not always going to have parity. While the PS4 PRO specs may not blow off one's socks the power/ per cost is reasonable to carry it for another few years until the next revision. The Scorpio does have specs that are impressive for a console but so will the cost unless Microsoft is going to take a rather substantial loss on each unit. This increased console rev schedule will be interesting to watch hopefully both of these companies will do right by both of their consumer bases as time moves forward.

[Gravesinger_]

As a PC guy myself, it's hilarious watching you folks try to convince yourselves of what $ony/Micro$oft is and isn't trying to do. Either way, both companies have taken notice of the PC gaming market and are trying to capitalize on it.