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Is Sony’s Lack Of A Gamescon Conference Overconfidence Or Strength In Silence?

Sony was oddly absent from a Gamescom conference and as such, Skewed and Reviewed have posted an opinion piece asking if this move was overconfidence or strength in silence.

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kungfuian3187d ago (Edited 3187d ago )

Not sure if this is just flame bait or if they honestly didn't even bother to check. It is a stated fact that Sony will be doing a Press Conference at the Paris show in Oct., because Gamescom and E3 were too close together this year.

Garethvk3187d ago (Edited 3187d ago )

If you note, the article is about Gamescom, not the Paris show. It does not matter what they do after this for the sake of this article. The point is they (Sony) were not at Gamescom to do a conference, yet their competition Microsoft was. Now seeing how Sony and Microsoft were both at E3 and both did showcase conferences, Microsoft considered it necessary to do a conference for the very large game conference in Europe and did not consider it too close yet Sony did or had other reasons not to do a conference. Some might say that since Microsoft is behind in sales they are looking to showcase themselves whenever they can and the fact that Sony was not doing a conference made it more inviting to them, but when your competition is showing up in a big way with a conference and booth and you only opt for a booth it does raise questions.

kungfuian3187d ago (Edited 3187d ago )

I disagree. Sony made a decision to have a press conference at Paris instead of Gamescom. They judged the shows to be too close together (for better or worse). Ignoring this fact (not mentioned in the article at all) and instead implying it's due to overconfidence or strength in silence doesn't make sense. Wouldn't an article questioning if Sony's decision to wait until Paris be more appropriate?

Garethvk3187d ago (Edited 3187d ago )

So again I would ask, why would Microsoft be there then if it was too close to E3? They obviously thought it was of use and do you not think they will be at the Paris show as well?

The article is not about Paris, PAX Prime, or any other show it is about the fact that at a very large show in Europe, Microsoft deemed it worthy of doing a conference at and Sony did not. That is the point. Both had an equal amount of time since E3 so why was it something Microsoft opted to do and Sony did not? That is the questions. So it comes down to Sony not seeing it as worth the time and trouble while Microsoft did. So is this a move of overconfidence that they do not need it, and in some ways a sign Microsoft needs all they can, or Sony saying we do not need to talk at this time as we have said all we need to say? I.E. operating in silence from a position of strength.

DarkOcelet3187d ago

I wonder if we will get a similar article when MS skip TGS.

I doubt it :)

That said, I really doubt skipping gamescom will be a big deal since they still have Paris show which I am pretty sure they could be wanting to show Quantic Dreams new game in their own country.

Also there is still PSXperience and TGS
too so no worries.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3187d ago

@Gareth

You completely ignored the fact that Sony already stated that the reason they didn't have a Gamescom conference is because they just finished with E3 barely 6 weeks ago.

Paris Show
Tokyo Game Show
Playstation Experience

I wonder how many people will be asking, "Why didn't Microsoft have a conference? Are they riding the Halo wave?"

Much ado about nothing...

>_>

Sparta073186d ago

@Garethvk

"but when your competition is showing up in a big way with a conference and booth and you only opt for a booth it does raise questions."

where those question rasied when micosoft skipped gamescom afew years ago!?

Eonjay3186d ago

Is Microsoft's Lack Of A Paris Games Week or Tokyo Game Show Conference Overconfidence Or Strength In Silence?

Death3186d ago

Gareth has a good point. E3 and Gamescon had the same time between for Microsoft and Sony. To say they were too close together doesn't really make sense.

As for Microsoft not having a showing at TGS, do you blame them? I don't think they would recoup the airfare in increased sales with a presence in Tokyo.

It's interesting that Sony would opt for the second largest game show instead of the biggest. Perhaps they weren't comfortable having a showing at the same conference as Microsoft.

bmwfanatic3186d ago

I am going to bookmark this and see if you guys do an article about ms not being at Tokyo game show or Paris game week. Going by your sites history I very much doubt you will.

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t-hall7853186d ago

I think this all comes down to Sony admitting their first party offerings are "sparse" right now. No need to beat a dead horse with games you've shown a few weeks ago. The paris show in october will give their devs time to bring something fresh.

MrSec843186d ago

@Garethvk: It's quite simple, Sony does what they want to, they showed up in an enormous way at E3 this year, they had their own conference last December, they had one at TGS and they were at Gamescom last year, but from what I recall MS didn't have one.

Sony covers more conferences every year and announces games at each, MS doesn't.

They said they felt Gamescom was too close to E3 this year.

As for MS showing up in a big way, how did they do that exactly? By not announcing any new exclusives for XB1, they didn't even announce any exclusive indie(s) for that platform.

No the best you can say is Microsoft showed up and gave some new details on games that they'd already had announced for over a year.
It is of course a matter of perspective, but next time Sony has a conference, where they announce multiple new titles as exclusives for PS4 it should be perfectly fine to state that it was a Gigaton performance.
If Sony doesn't show off any TV or OS stuff, but simply focuses on their games and some new 3rd party then that's enormous, because it would be massively beyond Microsoft's Gamescom 2015 for weight.

Sony are obviously and justifiably confident and don't feel that they need to move, just because MS had a conference for existing games people knew about, TV and OS stuff.

Aenea3186d ago

It's simple, MS showed more than just games for Xbox One at E3, they also showed us Win 10 stuff and almost 30 minutes of HoloLens. Great stuff too, but they were not games.

Sony on the other hand glanced over Project Morpheus and PS Vue in a few minutes and the rest of the show was games, games and more games.

If MS had shown the games at E3 they've shown now at Gamescom they wouldn't have any games (or new footage) to show now either. If Sony had dedicated 30 minutes to non-PS4-games stuff like PS Vue and Morpheus and cut some games they could've left some for Gamescom, but they didn't...

They both just made a choice what they think was best.

Thing is though MS is not giving a press conference, as far as I know, at Paris Games Week (and is not even present at all in Tokyo) and Sony is so they still have more to show...

These types of articles are nonsense, clickbait or just trolling... Let's just all enjoy all the gaming goodness both companies are releasing in the coming years and leave this nonsensical stuff behind!

joeorc3186d ago

Is the lack of more than 2 booths @ games com vs Sony's Six large booths, show Microsoft's lack of enough playable content for playable demos's on the show floor for consumers tontry out @ Gamescom?

DevelopmentArrested3186d ago (Edited 3186d ago )

@bmwfanatic

You should also check to see if the same people backing Sony are trashing Microsoft for the same thing then too.

Btw, I don't think it's a big deal myself, but we are going to see hypocrisy both ways on this.

showtimefolks3186d ago

garethvk

I guess when you have a 12 plus million lead you can take some risks. Sony will still have more conferences Than ms in year 2015

e3
Paris show
tgs
Playstation event

and did you know there were more exclusives announced for ps4 than Microsoft announced at their conference

did you know that Sony has the most booths and the biggest floor space at gamescom and yearly they have the most visitors at their booths?

so not sure how much ms gained or how much Sony lost. did we not know about crackdown 3,halo5,forza,quantum break and scalebound before gamescom? weren't these games announced before gamescom?

Sony expects to sell 36.3 million ps4's by March 2016. right now they announced to be at 25.3 million so they expect to sell 11 plus million ps4's in next 9 months. if they thought having a conference at gamescom will make the biggest difefence than I am sure they would have held one

stop overreacting. I am sure a multi billion dollar company knows what's best for their brand.

donthate3186d ago (Edited 3186d ago )

I think it is simply because Sony doesn't have anything to announce. Typically you save your best announcements and those that arrive earliest for E3 sprinkled in with a few far into the future.

Anything else then is usually minor or further into the future.

So my guess is, Sony has nothing to talk about so soon. They need to space announcements out into a later time frame.

If you notice, even MS didn't have anything really for 2015 except for features and BC at Gamescom. They focused their announcement for 2016.

Since Sony only announced Last Guardian and Horizon for 2016, they might have one more trick up their sleeve at best, but that is it. It's getting to late to start making big announcements for 2016.

So what is left is Project Morpheus that releases in less than a year! Sony really needs to start showing us what experiences we are going to be able to buy with it, and price points, etc.

nucky643186d ago

garethvk - why aren't you posting stories of concern for the x1 being outsold almost 2 to 1 by the ps4? or how about a story of concern for the x1 and it's nonexistent sales in japan? these would be real stories based on fact -not opinion-based, made up crap about sony not having a conference at gamescom.

Ezz20133186d ago (Edited 3186d ago )

@Death

""It's interesting that Sony would opt for the second largest game show instead of the biggest. Perhaps they weren't comfortable having a showing at the same conference as Microsoft.""

Lol, Why would Sony be uncomfotable having a showing in the same conference as Microsoft ?!
Give me reasons

Also,Sony will have 3 different shows in the upcoming months.
While Microsoft had only one show this year that was exclusive to them.
Why just one show ?!....why not 3 like Sony ?!
did they show everything they got already ?!

There are studios that work with/for Sony that have yet to announce their games.
In the upcoming months ...we will see tons of flip flopping.

bouzebbal3186d ago

here we go again.. just that e3 conference alone they could have split the wow moments into 3-4 different conferences easily. I still didn't recover from that.

On the other hand, Sony will hole a TGS conference (Xbox will not), give a keynote in Paris in 2 months, then comes PS experience. I don't call that any of the garbage this article is coming with.

OB1Biker3186d ago

I think theres also to consider that PS4 is hugely dominant in Germany and France is actually the biggest market in Continental Europe. Hence focusing on PGW is all win win IMO
+way closer to 3rd party deals game releases

Jayszen3186d ago

It only raises questions with Xbox fanboys who seize any opportunity to try and make an issue out of nothing when it comes to the PS4 and Sony. How many times in the pasy has Microsoft not bothered having a presentation at Gamescom and yet that is acceptable because it is Microsoft. Sony made it clear from the outset that they are not having a presentation at Gamescom but will till have a large presence on the floor. They chose to present at Paris in October - unlike Microsoft who are also not going to be at TGS. Does this not then raise similar questions to the ones you are trying to raise about Sony? Of course it does.

Microsoft did not show anything new other than updates of games that had been announced in 2013, 2014 and earlier this year and a another Halo related spin-off . The show was just a consolidation of what they have already shown. It was more for the media and getting newspace than for the gamers. At least Sony will have something new to show given the gap between their presentations!

Muerte24943186d ago

People are overlooking the fact that Sony has a minimum of 70% market share in all EU markets except for EU, which it still leads in. I know Garethvk submitted the story so he feels a need to somehow defend it.

On the 11 million by the end of their fiscal year is completely doable. I believe Sony sold 6.8 million last year during the holidays. That leaves 2 quarters to sell 4.2 million. If they ship 2.1M this quarter, they are going to be in really good shape.

avengers19783186d ago

To be honest MS needs a bigger push in Europe than Sony does... I mean sales wise, PS4 is really killing XB1 in Europe.

dafegamer3186d ago

will you make another article when MS skips Tokyo Game Show? Just curious

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Thatguy-3103187d ago

Exactly! Sony stated why they weren't going to have a conference since it was too close to E3. Look at Microsoft, they held a conference and didn't really have a lot of buzz coming out of it because they showed a lot of things we already knew about.

uth113186d ago

It will fuel a 1000 predictable headlines

xfiles20993186d ago (Edited 3186d ago )

Not just that Sony has developers that are based in Paris so they will bring it there for sure very interested in seeing Sony Bend studios game. Not to mention they also have TGS next month as well.

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remixx1163186d ago (Edited 3186d ago )

Gareth and when did Microsoft state they were gonna be at Paris??

If/when they skip that will articles like this be justified then?

Sony was at 5 events last year E3, gamescom, VGAs, TGS and PSX.

MS was at 2......were they being overconfident or............

Its a shame that Sony skips one event and a bunch of baseless questions pop up, even if in reality they just moved the event into a more comfortable position for themselves and to help space things out.

Yet when MS skipped gamescom the year before last no questions were asked, when microsoft skips tgs this year no questions will be asked, when Nintendo skipped gamescom this year no questions were asked.....I guess we know why.

Sony always has more conferences than the competition every year and the one year they decide to move a conference from one event to another everyone stands up to make statements through baseless assumptions and flaimbait rhetoric.....

AngelicIceDiamond3186d ago

I don't understand why ppl are making a big deal outta this. MS needs Gamescom hell they need more events then Sony does overall. MS isn't attending TGS because they have very little to almost no support from that region. Scalebound and Recore are Japanese games but MS needs to multiply those types of games by 100 if they wanna make some sort of impact over there.

Lol Sony has Paris Gameshow its not that big a deal.

WowSoChill3186d ago

i never even heard of the Paris Game show lol

johndoe112113186d ago

Wow, i guess that means it's irrelevant and sony should skip it? Tell me what events you have heard about so I can let sony know they need to concentrate on those.

Cohagen4203186d ago

Lol of course its flamebait, Playstation will be at TGS, Paris, and Playstation Experience

medman3186d ago

It's No Man's Sky, not No Man's Land, as an fyi. And you mention the show's Sony has coming up....Paris, Tokyo, and the Playstation Experience. I expect Sony to save perhaps one or two of their numerous incoming 1st party reveals from some of their stellar studios (Sucker Punch, Santa Monica, Quantic Dream-technically not first party but only release for Sony, Polyphony, etc. etc.) for the playstation experience. It's perfect timing for them, right before Christmas when purchasing decisions are made...they've already showed some big AAA's for 2016, including Uncharted, Dreams, Horizon Zero Dawn, and The Last Guardian...they've also got huge indies like Rime, The Tomorrow Children, No Man's Sky, Wild, Alienation, etc. etc....Sony has it on lock. They literally have so many games available, and on the way, it's a pretty special time right now.

Microsoft and Nintendo are also looking good for 2016, so I expect 2016 to be a legendary year for gaming...one that may be talked about for a very long time. I'm hoping, anyway.

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PhoenixUp3187d ago

Omfg, Sony delayed this conference for TGS, PGS, and PSX.

Where were all these articles when Microsoft missed GamesCon in the past few years? And where will these articles be when Microsoft misses TGS, PGS, or having their own separate annual press conference like they used to in the past?

Garethvk3187d ago

I would point out history. In recent years Sony has opted out of shows where Microsoft and Nintendo have had a large presence and this is a growing trend for them. I think it speaks more to them developing the PlayStation Experience, but a company the size of Sony being absent at large shows while your competition uses them to advance their cause is something to take notice of.

littlezizu3187d ago

Sony owns European market with 75% to 90% market share. They also know gamescom attract large crowds but 90% of those crowds come for show floors. That's why they have largest booth area more than double of microsoft, and hey images in twitter on large queue in Sony booth only show they understand market better.
Besides they have PGS, TGS and PSX and hey sony got three brand new exclusive one week prior to gamecom they were Dragon quest xi, Dragon quest heroes and DQ Builder. So they are not worried as they have more exclusives in 2015 and 2016 than nearest competition.

the_dark_one3186d ago

but you are forgetting thats sony is there, at gamescon, just no press conference. when they already gave their reasons for not having a press conference. if they did, then in PGS they would be left with nothing to show, in TGS we know they are going to focus more in their japan studios.

Minato-Namikaze3186d ago

Can you point out to me what gaming shows sony has opted out of the last few years? I cant remember them off top of my head.

NeverHeavyMan3186d ago (Edited 3186d ago )

The fact that it must be stated to you that Sony has a presence there means you should think over your articles before writing them. Your insinuations don't jive with the facts of the situation.

There's not even any uniqueness to these articles anymore. It's just cut and past - "Sony is in trouble because Microsoft had a stage conference". Makes no sense at all. Sony has three, count that, THREE, conferences left for the year. What is so hard to grasp about that?

You have written negative PlayStation pieces before, so I'm not shocked to see this nonsense. It's your attitude that makes it cringe-worthy!

joeorc3186d ago

Larger presence? 2 booths for Microsoft vs 6 booths that are larger than the ones microft has..right now @ Gamescom!

Microsoft a larger presence?.. Really?

Try again sparky.

remixx1163186d ago (Edited 3186d ago )

^^^^the guys above me said it the best, your statements are pathetic and baseless and I'm curious as to what events Sony has opted out of in recent years that MS and ninty has been at......please tell me or are you lying? As I do not see a growing trend of sony backing out of events and MS and Ninty stepping in......you just pulled that out of your ass

Sony has actually increased the amount of events its been at like psx and China joy so stop with this crap.

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GNCFLYER3186d ago

Xbox fans constantly move goalposts as well as berate everything about the PS4 while maintaining there system is perfect and xb live never goes down.

Reddit looks like a constant xb convention. Saw 7 great xb articles last night and 2 negative sony articles including # better psn

stonecold33187d ago

all i know sony will be in paris plus the tokyo game show coming up i know microsoft wont be there at any of these shows plus sony had big annoucment coming up for the ps4 in paris cant wait what is in store for the ps4 at paris and tokyo game show looking forward to it

kungfuian3187d ago

@Garethvk

“With the changes this year of E3 taking place a week later and gamescom taking place earlier, we feel that both PlayStation and the wider industry would benefit from a major news milestone later in the year, during the most important period for gaming.”

What about that choice implies overconfidence or strength in silence? Sounds a lot more like they want their large press announcements to be spread out this year.

Garethvk3187d ago

I have updated the article based on feedback, but I do note that Sony opted out of Gamescom and Comic Con where Microsoft had a large presence so why are they so willing to let their top competition go without challenge at those events? Sure Sony has upcoming shows, but PAX Prime is in Microsoft's back yard and they will have other events as well. I have a PS4 and it is my console of choice, but I do find their absence from events where Microsoft keeps getting coverage to be a concern.

kungfuian3187d ago (Edited 3187d ago )

If Sony had not announced their intentions to be in Paris, and their reasoning behind it, I would completely agree with you.

But in this case it just seems like a conscious move on their part. Microsoft chose to have a presser at Gamescom and Sony in Paris. IMO this is more an indication of a change in Sony's annual game news/press release cycle than anything else. In a few months they will likely show a ton of new content and x-box likely wont.

What ever the case, the effectiveness and reasoning of this kind of decision should be measured across an entire year and not in isolation.

spacedelete3186d ago (Edited 3186d ago )

the masses are buying the PS4 in droves. Sony aren't going to improve or at least start trying until MS closes the lead. it seems like the PS4 it gets a flood of indies every week with a drip feed of AAA games because Sony are getting complacent.

Mikeyy3186d ago

Garethvk, Troll harder bro.

For the 1,000th time. people keep telling you that Sony is hitting OTHER shows that Microsoft is NOT. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

You are not interested in intelligent argument. You are here simply to troll and make Sony supposedly look bad.

at the end of the day Sony had 3x more booths at gamescom then MS did, what do you say about that? Nothing because you are a troll.

Website and article = WTF

morganfell3186d ago

@Garethvk,

For someone involved in reporting on the industry, you must be living under a rock. Sony has only clearly stated countless times why they have made various press decisions. Yet like most so called writers these days you choose to ignore their statements, Why? For the sake of some hit inducing controversy? Guess what? You will not get a click for those reasons.

Also, Gamescom has been referred to time again concerning its attendee numbers. Attendees, as in people on the show floor where Sony's presence was far more prominent than their competition.

Sony spoke and brought brought 70 plus games to the ChinaJoy show, the largest emerging new market. Why would the competition snub such a massive up and coming demographic?

Finally, will you write more of these articles when Sony is making announcements in their Paris Games show keynote? Will you do likewise when other notables are missing at TGS where Sony will also be speaking? As regards PSX...well?

Sony is providing more direct press announcements than other hardware manufacturers but for some reason you feel that are "not answering" their competition because they are not keynoting 1 out of 6 major game shows (Comicon is hardly a gamesjunket). Can the competition say the same?

reallyNow3186d ago

Cost benefit analysis. The cost of doing a show just a few weeks after the biggest show of the year vs. how much useful publicity it would give them made it make no sense for Sony to appear. The only reason MS showed up is because they're way behind and need to advertise on everything or continue to hemorrhage 360 gamers.

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Rimeskeem3187d ago

Maybe its what they have been saying all along and its too close to E3. Or is official statement not good enough now a days?

Garethvk3186d ago

So why was it not too close to E3 for Microsoft and all the other companies at Gamescom who were also at E3? It is an easy excuse but not a valid one. The fact of the matter is that they said we are so far ahead we can blow this off and focus on the upcoming shows, where Microsoft did what all consider to be a solid presentation and continue to gain momentum. It is never wise in business to let your competition have a showcase event where you are not available to respond. So sure Sony has some great things coming up in a few months, for now Microsoft is all the talk of Gamescom and not Sony.

Ron_Danger3186d ago

You are trying way too hard to prove to everyone that this is an actual valid piece of journalism and not some fanboy rant article.

And what's with you trying to answer questions in this comment section with questions? Answering a question with a question is just a distraction technique that proves you realize you are wrong, but don't want to admit it.

22CobraKing3186d ago

@gareth
All their talking about is about things we already knew from e3 except for some things like halo wars 2. Who are they going to be talking about when Paris games week and Tokyo game show begin not Microsoft right? It's all going to be Sony. That's the best thing Sony could do maybe announce unannounced games, bundles and it's right around the holidays.

Minato-Namikaze3186d ago

Sony has the Biggest boothe at gamescom. They arent exactly just letting MS have free reign at gamescom.

mkis0073186d ago

Playstation conference at Paris will be the talk leading to the holidays due to timing now. Ms announced halo wars 2...they could have benefited from a later conference.

joeorc3186d ago

Microsoft:
http://www.blogcdn.com/slid...

Sony:

http://assets1.ignimgs.com/...

You were saying something about presence, that does not even include the Morpheus booth..lmao

Umm yeah, we know who really has the presence @ that event between both companies, there.

Subaruwrx3186d ago

@Garethvk - "It is never wise in business to let your competition have a showcase event where you are not available to respond." So, using your logic, MS should not skip the Paris and Tokyo game shows.

Sweep143185d ago

Because Sony is not MS. Sony choose to not have a presser at Gamestop. They evaluated that their new games announcements would be better timed during the PGW.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

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Profchaos21h ago(Edited 21h ago)

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers18h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken4h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g14h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing13h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H914h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola10h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66912h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle12h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

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jznrpg1d 6h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos1d 5h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion1d 4h ago (Edited 1d 4h ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola1d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies21d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken21d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga21d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken21d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6421d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long21d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197221d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic21d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12521d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91321d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer21d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91320d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit20d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher21d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6920d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit20d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher21d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken21d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197221d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic21d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2321d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218321d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder21d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts21d ago

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