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We Finally Won with the Xbox One

dedicatedtogamers | 459d ago
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You've all seen me rant and rave against the Xbox One. Here I am, gleeful to admit that Microsoft had a heart to (somewhat) change.

It's true. Microsoft announced today that they are reversing some of the controversial decisions with the Xbox One. Of primary importance is their decision to axe the 24-hour check in, the region lock, and all of their used game restrictions.

This is a time for celebration, but also a time for caution. Let's start with the good, continue with the bad, and I'll close with my personal take on the whole situation.

The good news is that for those with an unstable or unreliable internet connection, Xbox One won't lock you out of your games if you can't ping the servers. I'm not going to praise Microsoft for NOT being greedy trolls, but I admit that it is good news they decided to reverse their decision. Also, there's the removal of region locks. Now, I'm an American. Region-locking usually only prevents me from accessing a very small handful of Japan-only games. However, just because region-locking doesn't affect me does not mean I'm ignorant to its implications in other regions. I am fully aware that gamers in other countries don't get games at the same time as I do in the USA. Sometimes they don't get those games at all. Region-locking prevents these gamers from enjoying games they otherwise wouldn't be able to play, so I'm thrilled Microsoft opened up their system's region. Now they can import to their heart's content.

Lastly, no used game restrictions. This is FANTASTIC. Again, I'm not going to applaud Microsoft for simply NOT implementing an evil plan that they devised in the first place. However, I am happy to celebrate with my fellow gamers that all used game restrictions seem to be kaput.

The most important thing is this: MICROSOFT BUCKLED. To you gamers who stood up, ranted, raved, and refused to go along with Microsoft's plan, I salute you. You made your voice heard. You refused to shut up when apologists told you "wait and see". You made it known that this was unacceptable, and Microsoft listened to you. If Microsoft's change of heart is what you were looking for and now you can buy the XBox One with a clean conscience, then you should feel proud that you played a role in making that happen. To those gamers and journalists who defended Microsoft, tried to apologize it away, made excuses, called us "entitled", and even YOU - Don Mattrick - who said people without an internet connection should get a 360, screw you. Screw you x1000. This situation was made possible by your complacency, and this situation changed due in no part to your help.

Then, there's the bad news involved with this announcement. For people who loved the idea of Family sharing, digital gifting, playing your library via the cloud from any console, etc. etc., that is all gone. While I - personally - saw no value in these things, I know that some people were excited at the prospect, and now they'll be unable to try it out.

Also, the dark side of this announcement is that Microsoft now needs to make alterations to the Xbox One, a system that is coming out in less than half a year. This puts me on edge. We've already seen issues with the Xbox One in its current state (from laggy UI menus to using PCs instead of dev kits to showcase games at E3). Unless Microsoft decides to delay the Xbox One in order to patch everything up and make sure it's running smoothly, I'm fearful that the Xbox One - a system that was already being rushed, by most rumors - is going to end up even more rushed. That's bad.

Another bummer is that the online requirement is still in place. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it appears to me that the console requires an online connection for an initial setup and (possibly) again to register each game for the first time. It's true, after that setup you never have to connect to the internet again, Microsoft promises, but that's little comfort to those who weren't able to connect to the internet in the first place. If each game requires a registration (again, maybe I'm not reading the wording correctly. Microsoft STILL isn't being very clear or precise) the issue of having your internet down and therefore being unable to play the new game you just bought remains.

Now, here's my personal take.

This is really great news for Xbox fans who were bummed out. If the DRM and used-game restrictions were the only thing holding you back, then this should clear up those issues. However, what about the Kinect requirement? What about the focus on sports and TV? What about the higher price point and (rumored) less-powerful hardware?

And what about the fact that Microsoft was the one to introduce these ideas in the first place? Have we forgotten the rude and dismissive comments by people like Phil Spencer, Don Mattrick, and Major Nelson? Is all forgiven simply because Microsoft decided to do only SOME, not ALL of the evil things they were planning? Does it not concern anyone else that Microsoft has essentially done a complete reversal of these policies less than one month after revealing their console, and less than 10 days after E3, and less than one week after Spencer said "we're not worried about PS4"? A company that flip-flops so readily makes me leery that these changes are here to stay. Am I glad that Microsoft is changing their tune? Absolutely, because it is good for the industry, but I don't think it necessarily reflects well on Microsoft.

Some of you might be more lenient. I'm not. In my eyes, Microsoft simply showed their true colors, and the only reason why they changed some (not all) of the Xbox One's policies is because the backlash meant they would be losing profit. Would they have changed if the reception was more mixed? Would they have changed if it was a 50/50 split in the PS4 vs Xbox One polls? Would they have changed if the Xbox One pre-orders were closer to the PS4? Probably not, and that's why I'm not willing to simply forgive and forget.

Other problems still remain. Microsoft has proven with two consoles - the Xbox and the 360 - that they don't give long-term gaming support. The reversal of some of the Xbox One's draconian policies doesn't mean that Microsoft will suddenly start doing a better job of supporting their consoles.

There are still issues remaining with the Xbox One, and while I am satisfied that our protests resulted in Microsoft changing some of the Xbox One's features, this is simply the first step to winning back a lot of gamers' trust.

DragonKnight  +   459d ago
I don't think MS has to make many alterations really. Most of their DRM is software based so it's a simple programming change I'd think. What's funny is that Angry Joe brought that very thing up and was shot down by Major Nelson.

In any event, this should hopefully show everyone that, when threatened, gamers are not to be trifled with. Microsoft announced a sinking ship and are now trying to patch up the holes. There's still the issue of mandatory Kinect and the price tag, but the price at least is a minor problem that won't last forever.
MikeMyers  +   459d ago
Mandatory Kinect is only a problem if you make it one. That is their vision, just like the Wii was with a motion controller and the Wii U and the Gamepad. Sony also tried something different with the PSP Go and it failed. At least Microsoft is able to make changes and it likely stemmed from less than positive response for pre-orders. It's about money, always has been and always will be.
DragonKnight   459d ago | Not a reply | show
Mr_Nuts  +   459d ago
MikeMyers -

Are you joking, it's going to be problem either way. It's staring you in the face, literally. Plus it's going to make it so MS forces devs to use it in games where it's not needed or feels gimmicky/forced.

If they didn't include it in the box the price would go go. You would kill two birds with one stone...Kinect and the price problems.

By the way maybe you should stop following people on this site. All your doing at the end of the day is looking for an argument, seeking one out or getting someone so fustrated that they will lash out at you which you want. Get outside more, it's summer...enjoy yourself.
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cgoodno  +   459d ago
***Mandatory Kinect is only a problem if you make it one.***

I guess by "making it one" you mean being forced to pay for something you don't want.
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   458d ago
An Admin marked for trolling.

I can die in peace now.
maniacmayhem  +   458d ago
Wow, an admin being marked?

Has N4G really sunk to the lower bottoms of the fanboy pit?
Septic  +   458d ago
Admins are human beings too. Although, it seems kind of harsh to mark him for the comment that he made.

Watch those bubbles cgoodno!
HonestDragon  +   458d ago
"Mandatory Kinect is only a problem if you make it one."

The Kinect is a problem in and of itself. The fact that Microsoft boasted it as a revolution in gaming shows that they are blind to its shortcomings. In reality Kinect was a gimmick that failed to innovate anything because of how poor its motion detection is. Also, it being a forced feature for Xbox One just bumps up the price and adds a pointless peripheral that has practically no consumer demand.
maniacmayhem  +   458d ago
Hahaha,

He un-trolled himself.

It seems that only the Sony fanboys are mad that they are forced to buy a Kinect they never wanted.

Which is strange since they were never going to purchase a Xbox Won anyways.
MikeMyers  +   459d ago
"Other problems still remain. Microsoft has proven with two consoles - the Xbox and the 360 - that they don't give long-term gaming support. The reversal of some of the Xbox One's draconian policies doesn't mean that Microsoft will suddenly start doing a better job of supporting their consoles."

Long term gaming support? Tell us, when did the Xbox 360 come out again? 2005. That's right, we are going on 8 years now. 8 years! We seen a new Gears of war game, Forza Horizon and a very impressive Halo 4. They will have a free tank game too coming that has 60 million people playing on the PC. They've already squashed the naysayers who said the Xbox 360 would be like the original Xbox and be dropped after 4 years. Now almost 8 years later and almost 80 million systems you want to tell us how the Xbox One will be? Please, they have more games in development now than ANY time in Xbox history. They also invested 1 billion dollars into game development. More studios and so on.

"There are still issues remaining with the Xbox One, and while I am satisfied that our protests resulted in Microsoft changing some of the Xbox One's features, this is simply the first step to winning back a lot of gamers' trust."

There's always issues with people like you. Some people never give it a rest. In fact some people actually make a career out of trolling.
dedicatedtogamers  +   459d ago
You have absolutely no room to talk, shill. You were there every step of the way telling people like me to "shut up" and "just deal with it". And it's because of people like me that the Xbox One has a chance of being a halfway decent console.
DragonKnight   459d ago | Not a reply | show
MikeMyers   459d ago | Trolling | show
Donnieboi  +   459d ago
@dedicated: You were right bro, about MS having brought these evil policies to the fore-front in the first place. I wanna be happy for gaming too, but I still can't help but be afraid that MS is just bidding for time. Who's to say the next Xbox won't bring back these policies?

Also, when you said "Also, the dark side of this announcement is that Microsoft now needs to make alterations to the Xbox One, a system that is coming out in less than half a year"

Is also a good point that we've been overlooking. Does this mean that it may indefinitely be late to come out? If so, then that's MS's fault for waiting so long to change. I hope Sony comes out before them and still has the $100 advantage in cost, because I hate the fact that we had to beg and plead and even humiliate MS on national TV before they finally caved.
maniacmayhem  +   459d ago
@Dedicated

Even though I am glad they reversed their policy even I admit for myself it was for selfish reasons. I am a long time Gamefly user and I want to be able to rent the games I am not completely sold on or just want to try. But after reading this article:

http://gizmodo.com/the-xbox...

I kind of see what MS wanted to do IF TRUE. Now who knows if what that article says would have ever happened I guess we'll never know. The truth of the matter is I was in it for the short term as MS was looking at the long term vision. Do I care? Nope, like I said I like my Gamefly.

"A company that flip-flops so readily makes me leery that these changes are here to stay."

They flip flopped to what the consumers were yelling. this doesn't make me leery at this makes me glad that they even listened to the public.

"(from laggy UI menus to using PCs instead of dev kits to showcase games at E3)"

laggy UI, seriously? I didn't see that at all but to each their own. And for your fears about some stupid backstage E3 crap go ahead and read this article:

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

This should put your fears to rest, right?

"the Xbox and the 360 - that they don't give long-term gaming support."

MikeMyers already provided an answer to this absurd statement. Again do you even realize what you put down in print?
dedicatedtogamers  +   459d ago
Microsoft's flip-flop on these core policies is going to have a huge impact on the UI and the three OSs running on Xbox One. They are going to have to make changes - big ones - in order to adjust their original plans.

That has a chance of affecting the stability of the system.

As for game support, simply compare the 360 library to the PS3 library for 2013. Microsoft has decreased the number of exclusives on their system over the past years. Anyone can see that, plain as day.
maniacmayhem  +   459d ago
"Microsoft has decreased the number of exclusives on their system over the past years. Anyone can see that, plain as day."

So does this equal dropped support in the same as they did the Xbox. they are still providing XBL games, State of Decay just released and it may not be retail but it is a big game. Not to mention the abundant 3rd party support.

And just because they don't have the same number of exclusives means they dropped support?

That is another absurd statement made just to please the fanboyism of this site.
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ThatCanadianGuy514  +   458d ago
Iron..

Worthwhile game support stopped for 360 back in 2010.And by that i mean anything other then the yearly serving of halo or forza.

2010 was long before their eighth year.What is your excuse for them?

360 having overall less game offerings then PS3 in the long term is not even debatable.PS3 has been on fire since 2008 and hasn't stopped.

What of PS2..?

Some of the best games of all time released on PS2 - even after the PS3 released.
http://ca.ign.com/articles/...

There is no outcry because they never dropped support.
http://n4g.com/news/1284858...
MikeMyers  +   459d ago
"Again do you even realize what you put down in print?"

I don't think he does. I think he has an agenda and that it to keep bashing Microsoft any chance he gets. When you roam around telling people the system won't allow used games, that Microsoft will abandon the Xbox One and so on it means he has no interest in the actual system and is far more interested in attention.

Some of the stuff they wanted to do had potential. Accessing your content from anywhere without the need for a disc is huge. The family sharing had a lot of potential too. They just screwed up marketing it all and got carried away with the restrictions and making things far more difficult than needed.

All they have to do is push the lower tiered games and make them available online only. Games like Bastion and Limbo were cheaper titles and originally only available online. The pricing needs to be addressed, why can't we have more games that are $40? Why can't they offer incentives like buying Forza 5 online for $49.99? Microsoft can do this but for some reason they choose not to be competitive on digital goods. It makes absolutely no sense if you want to push people in that direction.

EDIT

"Microsoft's flip-flop on these core policies is going to have a huge impact on the UI and the three OSs running on Xbox One. They are going to have to make changes - big ones - in order to adjust their original plans."

Why? We already know they have the best OS in consoles. It will still be quick and you can still flip from TV to games very quickly. It will still have an HDMI input. You will be able to install your games on the hard drive, except now you will need the disc in the try.

"As for game support, simply compare the 360 library to the PS3 library for 2013. Microsoft has decreased the number of exclusives on their system over the past years. Anyone can see that, plain as day."

That doesn't mean anything. You're already writing off the Xbox One before any game has been out. They wanted to push Kinect which caused a shift. Now they can focus on both and they have invested in more studios. The Xbox 360 was mainly about being profitable after the original lost them a lot of money. The Xbox One will have more revenue and partnering with cable providers will give even more profits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

There are 959 games listed for the Xbox 360.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

There are 772 games listed for the PS3.

You want to tell me again how there's nothing to play on the Xbox 360?
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EffectO  +   458d ago
You won nothing except $70 always online games riddled with microtransactions.
MichaelLito79  +   458d ago
I always believed the DRM issue should have not been forced. Although I will admit the sharing with the friends and family was a cool idea. As for games, Microsoft has opened more studios this generation then any other. I can actually see them having a lot more exclusives this generation. Lets hope gamers actually support gaming companies by purchasing these games. Creating games cost more money in this generation then in any other.
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