Skyrim Will Not Have Weapon and Armor Degredation

RipTen - If you’re a role playing gamer like me, you’ve become used to certain things in your favorite games. One of those things is repairing your armor and weapons, which tend to degrade over time.

[CrzyFooL]

I'm not sure how I feel about this. Repairing your gear is annoying, but it's more realistic. However, crafting and improving your gear is also awesome.

/conflicted

[xPhearR3dx]

I'm happy about it. Repairing would have been better if there was more depth to it, in Oblivion it was more tedious than anything.

[LadyGaga]

Why am I not surprised that no one is upset by this? If this was Mass Effect, everyone would be crying about it being dumbed down. Why does Skyrim get a free pass?

There's also something iffy about the exploration of Skyrim's sandbox. I see too many trails and not enough open terain.

[xPhearR3dx]

@LadyGaga

Taking out a tedious, useless feature isn't dumbing the game down. Nothing about weapon degradation was good in Oblivion. It was just a stupid bar that went down over time, with no depth to it.

At least Bethesda is replacing it with something completely new. With Mass Effect, they took things away without replacing them.

[kaveti6616]

Some features work well in some games while not working well in others.

Taking out features that worked well in Mass Effect will upset the fanbase.

Taking out the very same type of features that made Oblivion tedious might make the fanbase happy.

The double standards exist because the everything else about the 2 games are different.

[Heartnet]

@Phear

getting rid of a feature that was in previous games is dumbing it down as theres no reason to get rid of it...

Looks like another series gone casual :) Elder Scrolls is going to be the new fable :)

[whydoyouask]

@Heartnet

Yes, cause the whole "click-on-hammer-click-on armor/weapons" repair system was SOOOOOOOO hardcore.

It was useless and stupid. Why don't people like you learn to pick your battles.

[stu888]

I'd rather have it in. It adds to the realism and immersion for me.

[NukaCola]

I didn't really mind weapons breaking in Fallout. I mean there were a few times my gun went down and I was in deep sh*t but I managed. I think the scale of what SKYRIM is doing outways the few changes most gamers didn't really like that much. I think you will be switching up your gear and powers so often in Skyrim that repairing isnt even needed. They said they designed the game so you wont want to be a player who just sticks to one type of style, so I am sure we all will be switching it up and exploring the potential.

[LadyGaga]

@ disagrees

Weapon degradation wasn't useless. It was essential to boost your armorer, and endurance.

And I bet most of you thought that separate armor pieces were "useless", too? Was having the ability is swap and match different armors also "tedious"?

[dedicatedtogamers]

If Bethesda removed the weapon crafting/repairing and that was it, then I would shrug it off and not really care.

People are missing the big picture. Is weapon repairing the only thing that Bethesda has changed? HECK NO. They've simplified the magic, they've simplified the star signs, they've simplified the skill sets, they've simplified the equipment. Who knows what else they've simplified?

They turned Elder Scrolls into a shallow 3rd-person (or 1st person) action game that just so happens to take place in a big game world. Whoop-dee-do. GTA4 already proved that a big game world with nothing meaningful to do is hella boring.

[AngryTypingGuy]

I wouldn't mind them keeping it, but just have them degrade at a much slower rate than in Oblivion.

[pangitkqb]

Should have included both. Such inclusion would have heightened the immersion. Still going to be an awesome game though. I personally can't wait.

[jeseth]

What's funny about this gen, and maybe its younger "gamers", but they think they are hardcore but accept casual changes to their favorite games. They think they are hardcore but would rather see changes that make games less challenging and in depth. This change is an example. So is Battlefield 3 having 2 shot Sniper Kills. But "hardcore" fans of the series defend these watering down changes because it is a game they are passionate about.

If its a game they don't like they slam every change. But when a game that is the successor of an extremely deep game has "incovenient" and "annoying" RPG elements removed to make the game quicker and less difficult they accept it.

I would have been happier if they kept the degredation and to boost the challenge of maintaining your equipment made some smiths better than others.

This change is catered towards "less hardcore" RPG "gamers".

LOL @ N4G lately.

[gaffyh]

I am actually really happy about this, it's annoying having to repair stuff. I remember in Vagrant story how you'd spend ages making the perfect weapon, only for it to break after a few uses. Weapons should never break or degrade, it's just means you have to pointlessly carry extra versions of the same weapon for no reason just in case.

[pixelsword]

If the wear was realistic, then repairs would be a needed thing; but it's probably not. I would love to play a game where I could break someone's sword with my sword; like right in two, and that dude either has to pull out another weapon or defend himself with that nub of a weapon.

[InactiveUser]

I don't play Elder Scrolls or RPGs in general much, but I support this. I did play Oblivion for a bit.

Needing to repair items is just an annoyance IMO. Another example of this that just popped into may head is Far Cry 2, where you constantly have to repair you car after it gets shot a few times. Is it more realistic? Maybe a little bit, but the annoyance factor goes way beyond any small amount of added realism.

[nveenio]

I'm happy this is gone. Nothing frustrates me more than a weapon or piece of armor just degrading steadily. If it was more detailed, it would be better, but as it is, it is just a pain, and it's not in the least bit realistic. So good riddance.

[bozebo]

What Jeseth said.

But in this particular case, armourer did nothing but repair in Oblivion. They should have made it possible to craft weapons with it, then it would have a reason to exist.

They improved the repair system a lot with Fallout 3, but the same idea wouldn't really work in the Elder Scrolls universe so perhaps removing it isn't really a bad idea.

In terms of RPG mechanics am not expecting a great deal from Skyrim, it won't be as good as Morrowind and I have accepted that already; I am ready for great game in its own right.

The best thing about Elder Scrolls was always the exploration of an amazing world, changing basic mechanics isn't going to break that.

"There's also something iffy about the exploration of Skyrim's sandbox. I see too many trails and not enough open terain."
That would be a technical descision, if they want a very high graphical rendering quality on the consoles they have to reduce the overall amount of data needed to render the scene (RAM limitations). The mountain shapes allow a very effective occlusion method - freeing up RAM and some GPU resources for a higher rendering quality where it matters. It is quite obvious that it is a decision forced by the console limitations but the region of Skyrim would be like that anyway even if the hardware was infinitely powerful.

[GigawattConduit]

You're in a fantasy world where you're the last of a race meant to kill dragons. I think Bethesda left realism a couple years back. :P

[jeseth]

All video games exist in a fantasy world.

That is the best argument you can make?

[FACTUAL evidence]

Holy shii I might just get this game....

[FlashBack]

I would like degradation, if it wasn't so damn fast, my sword gets broken in one dungeon,and it's elven

[pixelsword]

That's because you probably got one of them cheap Keebler swords.

...they're tasty, though!

[FlashBack]

Keebler?what's that? I'm not done with oblivion so there are many things about it that I don't know.Oh and I got my sword in a plane of Oblivion

[soundslike]

lol its funny because you're a pc gamer and act like you wont find the mod for this in 48 hours after release :D

I can see the reasoning based on player feedback, however. "Repairing" is such a poor incentive, if anything its just incentive to not use heavy armor at all. Although they could have tied in the allure of upgrades first, with the skill, and tied in the repairing along with it. but then some people would be shit out of luck (arguably part of the experience but meh) so then its back to having a lonely repair stat which will seem like a waste next to "MOAR DMG WOOOOOOO"

[SilentNegotiator]

I hear you can call in an airstrike in Skyrim, too. And you can turn on "auto-combat" so that neither FF fans nor COD fans have to be stressed by Elder Scrolls "complicated" RPG factors.

Simplify, mainstream, simplify.

[TheTwelve]

Weapon degradation is stupid, especially since repairing it just required pressing a button a few times in a row. How realistic is that? Might as well streamline and get rid of it.

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[jeseth]

The "realism" is in actually seeking out a place to get it repaired.

[ThanatosDMC]

Actually, in Oblivion you buy repair hammers.

[LastDance]

as realistic as pressing a few buttons in a row to conjure a creature

[Tony P]

I really don't see why they couldn't keep degradation AND simply add the better incentives of upgrades, customization, and no-degradation for maxing it out.

In that way, you keep the inherent challenge while offering great rewards for your work. But without totally giving players the easy button approach.

[whydoyouask]

There isn't any challenge when all you have to do is go into any shop, buy a repair hammer, and repair your stuff.

[persistentlobster]

@whydoyouask
The repair skill does add to the depth of the game because you always have to keep in mind the condition of your equipment and be ready before a quest. I think Tony P's sollution would be the best of both worlds.

[Tony P]

@why: Repair is not a core element of the game, but enriches it like the removed weapon proficiencies did, like spellcrafting did, like levitation did, like open cities did, etc.

I notice there was absolutely no debate over the repair skill until they announced its removal. Now everyone is trying to say it sucked, when really, few people had any complaints *whatsoever* about it.

So I don't think anyone would have really cared if it was kept in. However, people actually would (and do) care if it was removed.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

well I like the question he askes at the end of the article about if it makes it less realistic or better.

Ill wait to play the game to decide if I like it but it sounds fine I think. I like the idea of being able to upgrade your armor/weapons for sure.

Im not sure how many people are worried about the realism in a game where you can be a lizard or cat man and fight dragons.

I hope you can chop limbs/heads off, that would be awesome, but I doubt it will be in the game. I can dream tho

[The Great Melon]

Degradation was a good feature; however, the method of repairing to simple to where it just became nuisance. I remember that I just would carry the maximum number of hammers always so I wouldn't ever have to worry. If Bethseda slowed down the degradation process they could also implement a more involved repair feature beyond click X hundreds of times.

[TheTwelve]

You want real weapon degradation and repair? Make it a pain in the neck like in Vagrant Story. Now that's realism. But if all you do is press a button over and over, I can do without it and not feel the game is cheapened.

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[JsonHenry]

I am happy about it. I hated taking time out in other games to repair my stuff. I know that happens in real life, but Dragons don't attack me in real life either.

I want fun, not realistic. Unless of course realism adds to the fun.

[ATi_Elite]

if your sword or whatever never breaks or gets old then it's not a really good RPG!

I play the STALKER series and yeh i hate being out in the Zone fighting snorks only to have my favorite gun begin to misfire every 15 bullets and loose power and accuracy but you know what it really adds to the realism.

Like having my gun out for protection while wading through the swamps hunting artifacts is gonna rust it quicker and cause it to jam but hey that's just like real life.

I really like weapon degradation cause it makes you plan more when you know your gonna be out in the middle of know where for a long time with no mechanics/blacksmiths in site.

Knowing that your weapons will not break is just like playing COD and knowing your not gonna die as long as you can hide and regenerate health.

[dragunrising]

Weapon degradation in Oblivion was tedious and a complete waste of time. No one plays a fantasy game for realism's sake. Developers just take elements from reality that they think/feel would be fun in a video game. Guess what? Dragons aren't real! Whoa!

Getting back on point- there's nothing real about carrying around 40 repair hammers at all times (like I did) just to make sure your ebony sword doesn't break. Nor is it real in carrying around +100 lbs of misc junk in your inventory/backback. I could carry hundreds of oddly shaped items, weapons and armor in my backback. Really?

Your other argument about "planning" is moot also. Unless your fast traveling to a dungeon (very real also) your bound to run into an enemy that completely f-ks up your "planning." The end result is a game in which you end up traveling thousands of miles back and forth from town to dungeon in order to fix equipment and buy repair hammars. Considering how wild and dangerous the world of Cyrodiil happens to be, your character is pretty needy and hardly self-sufficient. You rip on COD for having regenerating health and not being real, yet sleeping for 16 hours heals all your wounds in Oblivion? I wish that happend in real life...s/ I believe your arguments are riddled with contradictions.

I would be all for armor/weapon degradation if it was actually believable and fixing said equipment was fun. Imagine if you had to grind away on a sword to make it sharp again or polish a shield to make it gleam/shiny. There is no way to truely fix metal without the proper tools and a furnace.

It might sound like I'm ripping on Oblivion , however I'm just pointing out the reality that its a video game. Have fun with it. The previews are overwhelmingly positive. Don't let this news ruin your day or your experience with the game.

[zeddy]

there should be a hard mode where you do get damage but i dont mind this, beats repairing.

[Getowned]

Hell yeah!!! now i can spend my money on more weapons and armour and a new horse! and not spend it all on fixing my armour!

[Gray-Fox-Type0]

this was a useless and tedious feature glad its out, who ever disagress can stfu noobs, that wish to repair repitively a sword after few hits.

[SephirothX21]

I'm conflicted also. In Oblivion if you got your repair skill to max, you could just repair weapons anyway without any cost. Though it was always easy to find repair tools to fix armour or weapons and therefore I don't think the removal of this is dumbing down the game because it is not making it any easier. However if removed from Fallout, it would make a bigger difference. Also repairing things in both Oblivion and Fallout was just annoying. Though I think they could have come up with a better way of doing it rather than just removing it but it isn't a huge loss.

[joab777]

If u r gonna implement it, it has to b done perfectly or its simply a hassle. I love the idea that certain weapons made by certain ppl may never degrade but im guessing its something I wont miss. U do have to have a complex upgradin system then because ppl love messing w their weapons. I wouldn't have minded if certain weapons broke (like cookie cutter ones but its pointless in a game u can reload). I dunno I am split but its the norm these days to trim, trim, trim as much as u can without pissing off the base (me2 was successful, da2 was not). Only time will tell. My guess is that the immersion level is so profound that it wont matter.

[MoveTheGlow]

It's best to wait until the game's out, really. The Skyrim crew needs to make tons of decisions that affect the overall product, and this is just one piece of that puzzle. And I agree with Joab - if they couldn't get repairing to be enjoyable, or at least integral, it's best that they leave it out.

All I know is that I've seen enough of this game to not scream "Casualization" at the top of my lungs. At the very least, this is not going to be another Fable III.

[Hitman0769]

Damn but they had this before? Hmm... Repairing is annoying though... I'm torn about this. I guess I have to wait and see. *looks at above post* okay I'm not alone in puzzling , not--sure-what - to think reaction......

[theonlylolking]

It is becoming less of a RPG.

[BrianG]

It is, if repairing was such a hassle in previous games, then FIX THE REPAIR SYSTEM. Removing it is just a bad move for this style of game.

Imagine if Fallout did not have a repair system. How fun would that be?

[Voxelman]

So much for not dumbing the game down...

Oh well, game will still be awesome.

[Alos88]

In Fallout 3 repairing barely even factored into things, you could just repair everything from the menu and never even visit a blacksmith. This is just the step beyond that.

[JellyJelly]

Having to go into the menu ever 2 minutes was annoying as hell imo. I think removing this will add to the gameplay experience and immersion of the world.

[soundslike]

if you take out "going into the menu every 2 minutes" it can sometimes make action-rpg games lose their true RPG feel and just feel like an action game.

[JellyJelly]

@soundslike - If going into the menu every 2 minutes to do the same thing over and over is what defines a great RPG I guess I'm not the fan of the genre I thought I was.

[mastiffchild]

Missing the point, I feel. Had they managed to make repairing your weaponry and armour n enjoyable or thought provokinmg thing rather than the mind numbing pain in the arse uit was then, sure, do it and make it better-if they couldn't? Then leave it out. It's a compromise and not a dumbing down when the thing we lose was totally bogus in the way it was already impkemented. And it WAs bogus, boring and pointless.

I'm just hoping that, finally, there';s a DECENT way of scanning planets for stuff in ME3 as it's been the weakest part of the two games so far just as the repairing/degradation felt like an out of place and ill thought out pain in Oblivion. Make mining fun! Make degradation realistic and repairing a more important part of the core experience or leave it out. If it comes to deeper combat and magic instead of degradation who's really gonna pick dulled weapons and fairly dull menu slogging?

Did the degrading of weapons DEFINE TES gameplay? No, no it didn't and a lot of us will have moaned about having to do it in the past and as it never felt like you were actualy doing much beyond wasting a bit of time I don't see much of a loss.

Maybe it wil be back in the future if they tie it into building skill trees, into the damage stats(like a weapon gaining it's own XP as it continually gets honed by it's user, no?)but as that would be an entirely rethought situation I see why we're losing it. Also, if doing the repairs added to dexterity or something it could be cool but, again, that would be a major change and if it's combat over repair I know where I'm off!

[Kee]

I am very glad about this. Repair hammers were really hard to find when you needed them.

[Tuxedo_Mask]

You could have used the item duplication glitch.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Ob...

[DanSolo]

@urizen

hahahaha which kind of makes the whole item repair thing a moot point anyway.... so if you would use that... you might as well just have it removed from the game!

Like quite a few other people I am unsure about it, having item damage did add another aspect to the game... but let's be honest, it didn't really play a big part.... click a hammer or visit a blacksmith!

[Dovahkiin]

As am I, this is such great news to me, odd that others liked repairing equipment after a few enemy encounters.

[Rettom]

I don't know, I want degradation but not really quick. Maybe that was the problem. You had to repair often. If you had to repair after 1 hour of total combat I would like it.

[Vip3r]

I like degradation. It adds more to realism.

[the_best_player]

yes

[BrightFalls76]

Realism? Then how can your character go on entire journey without stopping to use the bathroom once? This is a video game, it's supposed to be fun, not frustrating.

[mastiffchild]

Again with the lack of loos? I fail to see what the hang up is about in game toilets-we could have a lot of fun with the quest to find a public convenience in Elven kingdoms, whether they're free to all races etc and spending a penny at the right time couuld build your luck and health stats too-even keeping charisma up, no?

to me the loo seems more integral in my mind than degrading weaponry. no reason you couldn't have it in there and relevant and as it's so often a critique why not?

[Vip3r]

What?

Going to the toilet in skyrim would be far more annoying and frustrating that weapons degradation.

[Wintersun616]

Good! Degradation sucks! Even though more realistic, it's just stupid in video games IMO. Degradation is not far from cars running out of gas in GTA.

[Hockeydud19]

Wanna know something funny. I'm never going to call a game like GTA super realisitc until you have to refuel your car and use turn signals lol. I have never seen a game with turn signals.

On topic: Like most idk how to feel about this. I don't exactly like to feel like a bad ass in these games unless I have to work for it and not heaving weapons degrade will just make things that much easier. Unless the game is overall harder than the last games.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

Im pretty sure that Driver 1 on PS1 and PC had turn signals. I remember if you pressed the stick left or right the blinkers would go on.

And in mafia 2 you could get gas for your cars, but im not sure what it did as my car never ran out of gas the entire game.

People looking for realism in videogames need to find a new hobby. No offense to anyone here looking for realism in games, I dont think any game is realistic at all. The day a realistic(especially a FPS) game comes out is the day that everyone who is clamoring for "realism" in their games decides realism isnt fun and doesnt buy that game.

[Dovahkiin]

They were mandatory in The Getaway: Black Monday, was strange having to obey laws to such a degree.

[Tru_Blu]

@Solidus187-SCMilk In Mafia 2 your car could run out of gas. Never happened to me but did get the message about car is low on gas and the gas light would start blinking.

[Brixxer600]

Would've been good if they had kept it in this game but maybe on a "Hardcore" setting , similar to what was in Fallout New Vegas , where playing "Hardcore" meant you had to eat and drink.

[n to the b]

Hardcore mode was interesting but in the end still had its own flaws. I kept hoarding ingredients for campfire crafting until I had a huge stockpile, only to find it too easy to just to have Nash's lady in Primm make me those radscorpion cakes, and basically never have to worry about FOD again. guess it's hard to get the balance just right, especially in a large openworld setting?

[n to the b]

so yeah, not sure how I feel about this either. we'll have to wait and see, won't we?

[Dovahkiin]

To be honest, I'm expecting that they will do this, it seems wrong not to. Not that I'll play it that way but for those that want to...

[Clayman]

I don't mind it. I'd much rather upgrade my weapons than repair them anyway.

[mrmancs]

shame i like the fact of degrading armour and weapons , adds another element , not to worry :)

[WhiteLightning]

I'm not saying the game will be crap but I'm getting sick of this more "accessible" approach. Maybe you should focus on the fanbase you have now then trying to capture a new audience.

[Tony P]

I really feel like streamlining (in the case of RPGs) is more and more a case of removing old RPG elements to better please newer, more action-oriented fans. And not at all about making a "better" game.

These removed features are not "bad" features as developer PR will tell us. They are things that non-RPG fans didn't like so they had to go if devs wanted to expand their audience. And they just keep whittling the genre down to appease the new money.

BioWare is exactly the same way. There was a time I would have shed my own blood for a new Baldur's Gate from BioWare. Now, with their reinterpretation of the genre for non-RPG fans, I couldn't have them far enough away from it.

[Drjft]

dat glass armor.

[HaVoK308]

For me, this is good news!

[Jacks_Medulla]

Awesome!

[-Gespenst-]

The weapon degradation was a pain, but it kind of made the game more challenging. I mean they got less powerful and protective meaning the game became harder and you really had to be careful in combat.

It'll be a load off not having to worry about it, but I just hope the game remains challenging in other ways.

[kaveti6616]

Weapon degradation is something I didn't really like in Fallout 3 and New Vegas, either. Yes, it's adds another dimension to the game, but it's not a fun one.

[Jack_DangerousIy]

But but..... What are those cool looking blacksmith's going to do for a living? Because I'm pretty sure I have given then the majority of their business myself...

Idk how I feel about this. I'm sure when I'm actually playing I won't be thinking about it. So I guess I don't really have an issue with it. Just 'on paper' it sounds odd.

[Tony P]

Blacksmiths will probably serve as upgrade/customize stations.

[CaptainMarvelQ8]

I wish they had done it like Two Worlds,you could break up your weapons materials and create a new weapon out of them for your pendejo to use.

[ATi_Elite]

Two Worlds II is awesome and i'm currently playing it!

[Ch1d0r1]

yeah i love some of the ideas they implement, it is why i rather play a two worlds game than oblivion & now assrim...

[BrightFalls76]

Weapon degradation ruins a lot of games for myself. It's just as goofy as flashlights in games that last for a few seconds or characters that can only sprint for about 10 seconds. Are you telling me that in the future flashlights are worse then the one I go camping with now and space marines are only able to jog for a few moments before becoming winded? If I'm fighting dragons certainly I have a sword that is a step above a novelty item.

[TheMutator]

i dont know this sound too much user friendly and i dont like it!!!

[Pepzi]

i'm reminded of rogue-likes where you never had to repair your armor. it could be cursed or improved upon, but maintence was never an issue.

[greyhaven33]

Sounds good to me, was tedious in oblivion

[whydoyouask]

This isn't streamlining, it's getting rid of crap.

Would you call flushing your toilet bowl streamlining?

[Getowned]

yes...yes i would.

[ATi_Elite]

STALKER Shadow of Chernobyl has great weapon degradation thus requiring you to repair your armor and weapons. When your stuff breaks well go see a mechanic when you get to the next town/village whatever! How hard is that! Just hope the prices are fair and the service is good just like in real life!

Elder Scrolls may need to look at how other games do this so to fix this much needed feature in Elder Scrolls VI cause it really adds to realism and it's sad that such a high profile RPG is forgoing this feature!

[punisher99]

This might be off topic. But it would be nice if you could create and customize your own weapon and armor in this game.

[SSKILLZ]

This and dark souls make me happy

[eddvdm]

I bet this will be back in a few days after launch, as a mod for PC gamers.

I'm still *very* in doubt if I'll get it for ps3 or PC, mostly because of modding and dubious moves from Bethesda on the gameplay. Fallout, Oblivion and Morrowind were perfected by mods, I really don't know how is to play a vanilla Bethesda game besides a half-hour of unmodded Morrowind back on those times.

Should I risk this time? =|

[CHAMPANERIA]

I won't have to hammer my ammor and weapons if they get damaged? Kinda lame now I can just go trigger happy not caring if I'm hitting poles or faces. bad move

[Ultra Gamer]

It's true that weapon degradation was really annoying and there wasn't much skill to repairing. But if repairing required the player to do a little mini-game then it would add more depth and be more challenging. For example, if you do the mini-game perfectly then you would repair the weapon/armor to 100% if not then it wouldn't repair it as much. And more advanced items would make the mini-game harder to complete.

[KittyEmperor]

I just don't get how people thought weapon degradation and needed to repair it made the game more realistic. Do things naturally degrade with use yes of course, but the method of repairing it was completely off. I mean if your looking for realism then you would need a lot more than just a hammer to repair your weapon or armor. You would either have to take it to a blacksmith and have them do it or if your skill was high enough you would I don't know take it to a foundry or some place with the appropriate materials and take several hours to repair it and that's not even considering if the weapon is enchanted or not in which case you might need other things as well. So if anything the need to repair weapons was more tedious and realistic.

Though I will say that if the need to repair things was as complicated as I mentioned above then I would actually welcome the need to repair things.

[zero_cool]

Well this game sounds like it's turning into an hack n slash with lite rpg mechanics rather then a deeply imurssive action rpg!

[Too_many_games]

Getting it on PC, will NOT use any mods cause they are annoying. and going to slide that little difficulty meter down to -100. i like the enjoy the process..not die to a rat while in full Elvin armor

[Horny Melon]

First, I don't know how it was set up but it didn't seem to take in to account the persons skill with a blade or bouncing it off of walls during a swing. Both would effect the repair rate. At any rate the repair rate of weapons and armor was far too frequent. Like most things in Oblivion the armorer skill was broken, but that means you fix it not remove it.

It's not that degradation itself adds to the game but it is the function that allows other things to add to the game. The very reason you craft items is to replace the old and worn out. Without replacing the old and worn you really only need to craft each item one time.....well now not only is weapon/armor use broken, but crafting skills are nothing but a grind, and the mining skill is also nothing but a grind (which it was already by the removal of attributes), and people are only going to grind the items that sell for the most, if you can sell an endless supply of broad swords to the same vendor well now you've broken the economy and made gold plentiful and meaningless. If you have multiple crafting skills and can make whatever you want easily and cheaply (now that gold is plentiful) what is the point of hunting down sick loot?

Armor/Weapon degradation is the linchpin that holds together the noncombat activities of a roleplaying game. This is why no MMO has had a real economy since the UO, the first one.

It isn't that armoring doesn't add to the game, but convenience certainly doesn't.

[ME1989]

Good, repairing got really annoying after a while. I'll gladly take crafting weapons and armor over constantly repairing crap.

[skweejal]

I love reading comments. All it is, is 1% truth, 99% assumptions about a game that has little info released, little gameplay, and hasn't even been fucking released yet. That's like me saying "God damnit the next super smash bros game is going to suck because of all of this unreleased false info" Noobs.

[zero_cool]

I want to be able to craft & repair weapons & armors because the more strategy involved the deeper the imurssive experience.Hey i suggestion you guys to stick to hack n slash games if complexity & depth overwhelms your senses don't ruin it for us hardcore rpg gamers!

[SITH]

I wish there was a hardcore mode that allowed this. But, I can honestly say I will not miss it too much.

[spacetoilet]

The stream...*cough* dumbinging down of The Elder Scrolls continues. Game will still be great, but the the golden days of Morrowind are sadly gone forever.
All hail noob casuals!

[Braid]

That's a good move right there. It kinda gets annoying when the item that you spend your precious gold for stops working properly after a while untill you get it repaired. Destroys the reality a bit, but well who cares, that's a world in which you chase dragons after all.

[Ch1d0r1]

Welcome to Casual Scrolls!

[turgore]

Good. It was annoying and not deep at all. Upgrading it is way more satisfying anyway !

[sarydactl]

I'm glad! There's a reason I only used hand to hand combat in Oblivion. Having a weapon break after less than 30 minutes is far too frustrating--when, yknow, a real sword would last much longer. Using my hands was the alternative to pouring hours into button-mash-repairing (and let's be honest, those moments /do/ count up into hours). And if button mashing is the new/old hardcore, then you hipsters can get a PC and enjoy some mods. The 'casual' players will enjoy their new, awesome game.

[Markatansky]

Honestly, thank f**k for this. I can't understand why anybody enjoys having to repair their items every couple of damned minutes. To everyone who says "but it's more realistic!": my arse it is. I'm not saying I have some degree in metallurgy, but I'm pretty sure I could smash my entire house up with a nondescript metal bar and come out with a relatively unscathed metal bar. The item degradation system that games have adopted in recent years are about as realistic as a Call of Duty storyline.

[Anti-Fanboyer]

So no more required repair lvl to repair my powerful armor. Or if I didn't have the right lvl, I didn't have enough hammers. Good riddance I say.

[TheObserver]

I prefer to have weapons degradation. It is not about realism or convenience. It is more about immersion and gameplay mechanics within the game's theme.

In Demons Souls, the only time when your weapons gets damaged is when you spam it without thinking and hitting walls, the ground, or anything that gets in the way that you can't cut. As a result, you have to KNOW what attack to use. Like Thrusting/vertical attacks in a hallway or shorter weapons like daggers. Also, spamming attack against a shield like an idiot will break your weapons during PVP. If you wish use a high damage weapon like a Katana, you have to be extra careful since that sword breaks so easily. If you don't THINK your weapons will break and you will die. Scraping Spear also breaks your stuff quicker.

Or in Fall Out 3, I play with extreme Realism Mod on the PC. I do my wasteland wandering with a cheap 9mm pistol to dispatch weak enemies and what not. However, when I run into trouble like a group of bandits, I switch to my AK47. The thing is the AK47 wears away much faster when firing full automatic. Finding ammo for AK47 was not easy either. It is also harder to repair than a 9mm.

IN GENERAL: It gives you the feel of survival. It gives you the incentive to hold back your best weapons and best attacks only for serious threats.

Now imagine if weapons damage are removed in Demon's Soul or Fallout 3. I can spam horizontal attack all day long, who cares about skills or thinking. Same with Fallout 3, it is basically CoD without it.

If you wish to remove repair, why not give unlimited ammo and turn Skyrim into a hack and slash for noobs while at you're at it. They can spam their ultimate combo all day long.

Will get Skyrim on PC only when mods for degradation is released. Seriously disappointed.

[SamuraiZero]

Hey, check out all the "hardcore" gamers ragging on others for not wanting weapon repair. "You're not hardcore unless you don't take anything out of games, and make them as realistic as you can." Give me a break people. Weapons not degrading isn't going to make this game less of a great game just like tweaking things in Mass Effect didn't make Mass Effect 2 any less fun. As someone who has been gaming for 20+ years, I can honestly say that whether you want your weapons to fall apart on you or not has no baring on what kind of gamer you are.

[EdwardS087]

This is the last Skyrim article I read before I play the game. I swear the exponential increase in video-game analysis is ruining games. I remember knowing NOTHING about Morrowind, even Oblivion lol

[DOOMZ]

Nice!

[ArabianKnight01]

If I had to choose between constantly repairing my weapons and armor over enhancing them magically I would deffiantly much rather spend my time and effort adding to the enjoyment and enchantment to my gear and increasing the fantasy world of good rpg that Skyrim is sure to be!

[EdwardS087]

Instead of axing this feature, I would have preferred they ditch the charge/recharge nature to magical weapons. It sort of takes the, well, magic out of weapons if the have an Energizer-depletion system to them >_<

That always took the joy out of magical weapons. Its a pain to use soul gems to recharge, and costs a fortune to pay a mage to do so. Instead, use soul gems to ADD features to magical weapons....

[NnT3291]

I hated repairing my guns in Fallout 3

[cond3m3r]

...wait, no more hammer time?!?! D:

I'm going to miss the sweet sound of *ting ting* sigh...

[Bolts]

Weapons and armor degradation is a pain in the ass. It's not realistic, never was. It's merely an exercise in pointless inventory management that got very, very old as you have to constantly carry hammers around all the time.

[gcolley]

good

[Tzuno]

Very Good.

[sich92]

it's a game....fun must always come first...if being realistic means it'll be annoying/frustrationg or it just kills the fun...then f*** it -.-

[TwistedMetal]

I want my weapons to get worn out.. otherwise you just get one weapon and use it the whole game. In fallout I was like dang my weapon is worn down so i have to use this sparingly and will try this other weapon out and switch up some of my attack plan and such untill I could get some new stuff to fix my weapon. They should have a hardcore mode where the weapons wear down. if they dont have this then they are just dumb. fallout new vegas had it so this better have it to.

[ArabianKnight01]

I see your point but in Oblivion i raised my repair/hammer skill to the max and only had to carry around one hammer and i was able to repair my fave weapon/armor on the spot and as often as needed so that kinda renders your point moot... -.- again i would much rather spend my time enhancing/enchanting my gear than repairing it back to "new" I feel if the loot found as you progress through the game got better and stronger you will find yourself constantly searching for the better items and changing your gear accordingly and that would address those concerns.

[k4rma]

Oh man. They're taking out all of my favourite things. :(

Wont stop me from buying the game, but cant say its not a little disappointing. And yeah I know the reason, we can use funds to upgrade.. but still I really liked the way it encouraged me to use different weapons in Oblivion, rather than sticking to the same one all of time.

Not to mention that I just liked the idea of having to keep my weapons in tip top condition.