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What Sony does next is critical to its future in games

Gamers are slow to forgive. Many own a PlayStation 3 today because they were angry at Microsoft for letting them down when the Xbox 360 suffered from a huge number of breakdowns, due to a manufacturing flaw that led to overheating.

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Muerte24944745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

PS2 had a similar situation like the RROD situation Microsoft had. Sony handle theirs differently than Microsoft though. Sony isssued a recall because the power brick in the slim designs were catching fire. Real gamers know that anyone can be hacked and it was Sony's bad luck that it was them first. They also know that Geohotz is the one to blame for publishing PS3's masterkey on his website.
Actually Geohotz is the one sole to blame in my opinion and who ever leak the ps3 masterkey. He was the reason linux was removed and now why psn is down. The difference is Microsoft screwed gamers over, not Sony. Hackers screwed ps3 gamers over twice. If the were an American company (Microsoft) people would be alot more sympathetic. They wouldn't be so quick to paint Microsoft to such an unflattering light.

iamnsuperman4745d ago

I do wander about you statement to nationality is interesting. It could be possible.....OT: if they get it fixed then nothing will happen. All this thing about a free game is ridiculous. They probably give a mini out but I don't think they should go high than that. I would rather have the security working well. I will trust them as many trusted Microsoft with there RROD.

LOGICWINS4745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

A free game is overkill, but $10-20 PSN credit would be appropriate.

Better yet, they can go the cheaper route. Give everyone a free month of Netflix.

Focker4204745d ago

@LOGICWINS

Most games on PSN are $10-$15, how is that overkill when you are suggesting giving out $20 credit??

Oh and you already get a free 1 month trial to Netflix, you just have to cancel your account before the end of the 1st month or they'll start billing you.

sdtarm4745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

I agree with muerte,

articles stating that this outage is Sony's RROD are plain stpid and retarded, RROD is a hardware issue that came with every single xbox manufactured until 2010, it means that during 5 years they continued shipping the same faulty product, no matter how many xboxs you buy, for how much time you had it you were always at risk of having it, affecting every single consumer.

It is true that the PSN outage affects every single consumer but is the outage gonna last forever? doubt it - are the hackers still gonna have THE POSSIBILITY(cuz its not even confirmed they did it) of having access to our data? for some reason sony shut down PSN, scheduled a full investigation and rebuilt their network -

The outage is an inconvenience of a service offered by Sony that they control, fix and give to their consumers, as long as I know gamers still can play their games and they dont have nor they will have to go and ask for a new PS3 to play them

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Elimin84745d ago

"If the were an American company (Microsoft) people would be alot more sympathetic. They wouldn't be so quick to paint Microsoft to such an unflattering light."

So true...

nveenio4744d ago

I think this outage shows how sick and disgusting some gamers can be. Blaming a victim for being a victim is wrong. It's like (though not on the same level as) telling a girl that she got raped because her skirt was too short. It's twisted thinking, and anyone blaming Sony for this incident should be punched in the throat. Sony could have been a little more public when they started investigating the issue, but this is really the first time anything like this has ever happened. So I'm giving them a guinea pig pass.

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b_one4745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

It is happening, look at US Gaming sites, they lick MS even if there is no exclusive games on X360, they criticize ps3 on every aspect...

@Loner
i mean number of news about Kinect, Xbox articles etc... news-media rush

Loner4745d ago

Yet they give PS3 games Game of the Year.Strange

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b_one4745d ago

@DK286

For Sony in most cases it is better :)

Maddens Raiders4745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

and overall it really isn't that bad, but yes the title is hyperbolic and the links to the PSN outage, RROD, and the "the possible derailment of Sony's future in gaming," are overblown and over the top.

These two issues are not linked. The PSN hack has nothing to do with the build quality and failure rate of PS3's & if Sony gets this thing back online bigger, better, and more robust (security-wise) than it was before w/ free perks, you'll see the trust return and this faux hysteria disappear.

edit:/ Kaz just needs to get out in front of this thing and lay their (SNE) cards on the table to show transparency and help usher in a return to normalcy in the minds of their loyal and future patrons, post haste. Sunday May 1st cannot come soon enough.

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XRider4745d ago

How did MS screw gamers? they replaced all RROD consoles for free and then gave a 3yr warranty. I don't remember Sony ever doing anything like that when the PS2 was crapping out on everyone.

fedexas4745d ago

Look how long it took for them to admit RROD was an issue and then get back to me. If this situation happened to XBox Live and Microsoft, we wouldn't see so many flamebait articles in the first place.

Like I said, the media is using this issue as a scapegoat to get at Sony, as usual.

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shoddy4745d ago

nice try.
I bet Sony will give me more games and free online.

I don't care if Sony loose a billion.

DeeZee4745d ago

I really think people are blowing this out of proportion. The truth is, by the time the holiday rush comes, most gamers will have forgotten about that time PSN was down. Some of these articles (not talking about this one) make it seem like PS3s are exploding and kicking babies. It's only PSN...

tombraiders4745d ago

I agree with you dude, its just some people really aren't as smart and relaxed as you. I'm afraid some people can't except being deprived of their presious COD for a couple of weeks.

yoshiroaka4745d ago

Exploding and kicking babies LOL!!

But yea i agree, its just a temporary halt on service. Not like a massive hardware failure or permanant shutdown of psn. It will be back up soon and better than before.Its annoying but hardly world ending.

tombraiders4745d ago

A good idea would be for PSN to make user vote for a free psn game under $12. That will be a good scheme. They should give all DC Universe Online and free realm subscribers a extra free month as compensation. Playstation Plus should open the Infamous 2 Beta to every member and also give all members $15 to spend on PSN or just MAG for Free with all DLC. Don't tell me that is too much because it's the safest way to ensure that they don't lose any customers to microsoft and people deserve it after being scared about there credit card details or trophies being lost. This is also a good way to avoid getting unnecessary sued.

Blad3star4745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

Why does every one think that Sony owes us something. The service is free FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

I think Sony should just send people this vid for lol

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Edit: DK - I dont agree with your analogy. Car B paid for his navigation system so he should expect it to work as with anything that is paid for.

If you have local tv channels which are free and a paid cable service and they both go out would you complain to your local tv service or your cable company?

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yoshiroaka4745d ago

@DK286k or maybe the navigation system is fixed for free by the car manufacturer. Just like PSN would be in a few days.

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yoshiroaka4745d ago

I though you were talking about the statement that the users of PSN needed compensation for the days that the service was down.

But if you were just talking about the right to complain then yes free or not people have a right to complain.
Sometimes complaining is the only was something gets better.

But in this case i think SONY is working as fast as they can and complaining wont make it any faster. In fact it might pressure them to rush it out and make the final product worse.

All we can really do now is wait. Hopefully SONY learns a lesson and does better in the future.

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kreate4745d ago

becuz of the inconvenience. i also think Sony owes us something. literally all psn users.

Kain814745d ago

some so called journalists are braindead...here is one of them

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 15h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos1d ago (Edited 1d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken1d 2h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 12h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 11h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 11h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d 8h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 10h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 10h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg2d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos2d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola1d 22h ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies22d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken22d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga22d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken22d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6422d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long22d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197222d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic21d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12522d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91322d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer22d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91321d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit21d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher22d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6921d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit21d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher22d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken22d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197222d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic21d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2322d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218322d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder22d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts22d ago

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