Gamers are slow to forgive. Many own a PlayStation 3 today because they were angry at Microsoft for letting them down when the Xbox 360 suffered from a huge number of breakdowns, due to a manufacturing flaw that led to overheating.
PS2 had a similar situation like the RROD situation Microsoft had. Sony handle theirs differently than Microsoft though. Sony isssued a recall because the power brick in the slim designs were catching fire. Real gamers know that anyone can be hacked and it was Sony's bad luck that it was them first. They also know that Geohotz is the one to blame for publishing PS3's masterkey on his website. Actually Geohotz is the one sole to blame in my opinion and who ever leak the ps3 masterkey. He was the reason linux was removed and now why psn is down. The difference is Microsoft screwed gamers over, not Sony. Hackers screwed ps3 gamers over twice. If the were an American company (Microsoft) people would be alot more sympathetic. They wouldn't be so quick to paint Microsoft to such an unflattering light.
I do wander about you statement to nationality is interesting. It could be possible.....OT: if they get it fixed then nothing will happen. All this thing about a free game is ridiculous. They probably give a mini out but I don't think they should go high than that. I would rather have the security working well. I will trust them as many trusted Microsoft with there RROD.
A free game is overkill, but $10-20 PSN credit would be appropriate. Better yet, they can go the cheaper route. Give everyone a free month of Netflix.
@LOGICWINS Most games on PSN are $10-$15, how is that overkill when you are suggesting giving out $20 credit?? Oh and you already get a free 1 month trial to Netflix, you just have to cancel your account before the end of the 1st month or they'll start billing you.
I agree with muerte, articles stating that this outage is Sony's RROD are plain stpid and retarded, RROD is a hardware issue that came with every single xbox manufactured until 2010, it means that during 5 years they continued shipping the same faulty product, no matter how many xboxs you buy, for how much time you had it you were always at risk of having it, affecting every single consumer. It is true that the PSN outage affects every single consumer but is the outage gonna last forever? doubt it - are the hackers still gonna have THE POSSIBILITY(cuz its not even confirmed they did it) of having access to our data? for some reason sony shut down PSN, scheduled a full investigation and rebuilt their network - The outage is an inconvenience of a service offered by Sony that they control, fix and give to their consumers, as long as I know gamers still can play their games and they dont have nor they will have to go and ask for a new PS3 to play them
"If the were an American company (Microsoft) people would be alot more sympathetic. They wouldn't be so quick to paint Microsoft to such an unflattering light." So true...
I think this outage shows how sick and disgusting some gamers can be. Blaming a victim for being a victim is wrong. It's like (though not on the same level as) telling a girl that she got raped because her skirt was too short. It's twisted thinking, and anyone blaming Sony for this incident should be punched in the throat. Sony could have been a little more public when they started investigating the issue, but this is really the first time anything like this has ever happened. So I'm giving them a guinea pig pass.
It is happening, look at US Gaming sites, they lick MS even if there is no exclusive games on X360, they criticize ps3 on every aspect... @Loner i mean number of news about Kinect, Xbox articles etc... news-media rush
Yet they give PS3 games Game of the Year.Strange
@DK286 For Sony in most cases it is better :)
and overall it really isn't that bad, but yes the title is hyperbolic and the links to the PSN outage, RROD, and the "the possible derailment of Sony's future in gaming," are overblown and over the top. These two issues are not linked. The PSN hack has nothing to do with the build quality and failure rate of PS3's & if Sony gets this thing back online bigger, better, and more robust (security-wise) than it was before w/ free perks, you'll see the trust return and this faux hysteria disappear. edit:/ Kaz just needs to get out in front of this thing and lay their (SNE) cards on the table to show transparency and help usher in a return to normalcy in the minds of their loyal and future patrons, post haste. Sunday May 1st cannot come soon enough.
Damn right man
How did MS screw gamers? they replaced all RROD consoles for free and then gave a 3yr warranty. I don't remember Sony ever doing anything like that when the PS2 was crapping out on everyone.
Look how long it took for them to admit RROD was an issue and then get back to me. If this situation happened to XBox Live and Microsoft, we wouldn't see so many flamebait articles in the first place. Like I said, the media is using this issue as a scapegoat to get at Sony, as usual.
Overracting much ?
nice try. I bet Sony will give me more games and free online. I don't care if Sony loose a billion.
I really think people are blowing this out of proportion. The truth is, by the time the holiday rush comes, most gamers will have forgotten about that time PSN was down. Some of these articles (not talking about this one) make it seem like PS3s are exploding and kicking babies. It's only PSN...
I agree with you dude, its just some people really aren't as smart and relaxed as you. I'm afraid some people can't except being deprived of their presious COD for a couple of weeks.
Exploding and kicking babies LOL!! But yea i agree, its just a temporary halt on service. Not like a massive hardware failure or permanant shutdown of psn. It will be back up soon and better than before.Its annoying but hardly world ending.
A good idea would be for PSN to make user vote for a free psn game under $12. That will be a good scheme. They should give all DC Universe Online and free realm subscribers a extra free month as compensation. Playstation Plus should open the Infamous 2 Beta to every member and also give all members $15 to spend on PSN or just MAG for Free with all DLC. Don't tell me that is too much because it's the safest way to ensure that they don't lose any customers to microsoft and people deserve it after being scared about there credit card details or trophies being lost. This is also a good way to avoid getting unnecessary sued.
Why does every one think that Sony owes us something. The service is free FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. I think Sony should just send people this vid for lol http://www.youtube.com/watc... Edit: DK - I dont agree with your analogy. Car B paid for his navigation system so he should expect it to work as with anything that is paid for. If you have local tv channels which are free and a paid cable service and they both go out would you complain to your local tv service or your cable company?
@DK286k or maybe the navigation system is fixed for free by the car manufacturer. Just like PSN would be in a few days.
I though you were talking about the statement that the users of PSN needed compensation for the days that the service was down. But if you were just talking about the right to complain then yes free or not people have a right to complain. Sometimes complaining is the only was something gets better. But in this case i think SONY is working as fast as they can and complaining wont make it any faster. In fact it might pressure them to rush it out and make the final product worse. All we can really do now is wait. Hopefully SONY learns a lesson and does better in the future.
becuz of the inconvenience. i also think Sony owes us something. literally all psn users.
some so called journalists are braindead...here is one of them
Trite generalizations like assuming gamers are slow to forgive are this bloggers opinion. This incident does nothing to tarnish Sony's brand for me.
I would be happy if they just added Cross game chat to all users.
Same dude! Cross-Game chat would be great.
look an what microsoft did to us? they knew tha 360 wasn't ready and they released it anyway. they took our money and said fuck u to all u bloodclaat stupid GAMERS! it took em five years to fix tha 360 and its not even fix! sony never did none of that shit beside taking away tha other OS feature, and yes they brought this on em self for removing it and they went after tha hackers and that was a bad idea lol lol look wat happen they took down tha mighty sony to there knees. i like tha PS3 thats why i'm sticking wit it and there games. i h8te sony for tha way they handle tha situation and telling us wat tha fuck is going on. fuck all that tho i'm a GAMER not wall street money dog or a stock holder, in tha end i just want to play some good fucking game! plus i was in my mom belly for nine awesome months so i can wa8t fa PSN to come back up lol love u miss beve!
You type like a 9 year old school girl.
this is 1 tenth as bad as what microsoft has pulled. because this isnt sonys fault this is the fault of hackers who wanted to punish sony, but are punishing us
An apology wont help anything and for all the ranting and raving...nothing will change. When the PSN comes back up..people will shut up and go back to gaming. All this is...is a bump in the road for gamers. No one will do anything about it. No one will sue and if they do they will lose. No one will sell there ps3 and buy an xbox and if you do youre a moron. The xbox has just as many problems not to mention more. If they broke into the ps3 what makes you think they cant break down the xbox. Seriously people, think about it. Im just tired of all the ranting and raving ...its not going to change ANYTHING. Shut your mouths, wait for the psn to come back up...then continue with your lives in front of the tv.
its just missing one of its features...and its for FREE!so haters settle down.
just got an email from sony heres what it says Valued PlayStation Network/Qriocity Customer: We have discovered that between April 17 and April 19, 2011, certain PlayStation Network and Qriocity service user account information was compromised in connection with an illegal and unauthorized intrusion into our network. In response to this intrusion, we have: 1) Temporarily turned off PlayStation Network and Qriocity services; 2) Engaged an outside, recognized security firm to conduct a full and complete investigation into what happened; and 3) Quickly taken steps to enhance security and strengthen our network infrastructure by re-building our system to provide you with greater protection of your personal information. We greatly appreciate your patience, understanding and goodwill as we do whatever it takes to resolve these issues as quickly and efficiently as practicable. Although we are still investigating the details of this incident, we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following information that you provided: name, address (city, state/province, zip or postal code), country, email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity password and login, and handle/PSN online ID. It is also possible that your profile data, including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip), and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may have been obtained. If you have authorized a sub-account for your dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have been obtained. While there is no evidence that credit card data was taken at this time, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, to be on the safe side we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have been obtained. For your security, we encourage you to be especially aware of email, telephone, and postal mail scams that ask for personal or sensitive information. Sony will not contact you in any way, including by email, asking for your credit card number, social security, tax identification or similar number or other personally identifiable information. If you are asked for this information, you can be confident Sony is not the entity asking. When the PlayStation Network and Qriocity services are fully restored, we strongly recommend that you log on and change your password. Additionally, if you use your PlayStation Network or Qriocity user name or password for other unrelated services or accounts, we strongly recommend that you change them, as well. To protect against possible identity theft or other financial loss, we encourage you to remain vigilant to review your account statements and to monitor your credit or similar types of reports. We thank you for your patience as we complete our investigation of this incident, and we regret any inconvenience. Our teams are working around the clock on this, and services will be restored as soon as possible. Sony takes information protection very seriously and will continue to work to ensure that additional measures are taken to protect personally identifiable information. Providing quality and secure entertainment services to our customers is our utmost priority. Please contact us at www.eu.playstation.com/psnouta ge should you have any additional questions. Sincerely, Sony Network Entertainment and Sony Computer Entertainment Teams there thats enouth information for me edit really someone disagreed with me? what was this not an email from sony?
yes I got that too. I could almost see sonys tears in the message.
im suprised u could see eye's that are abotu to tear inside static text lol
Got the same email myself.
haters are soooo dumb
the comments about nationality I'm reading here are stupid. The american media gives MSFT a pass but the consumer base does not. Hence the reason the ps3 is quickly closing the sales gap. RROD was a huge problem no doubt about it, but RROD never had anyone's cc info exposed. Does this hurt sony yes, just like RROD hurt msft, but only in customer confidence. MSFT released a new xbox to combat RROD the only people who complained after that were the sony faithful. Once sony updates ps3 with a new better more secure psn, the only folks who'll complain will be the xbox faithful. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is they fixed the problem and only the fanboys will sit on sites like n4g and compare each companies blunders amongst themselves.....
@ mcgrawgamer Bubble, well said
How is it that gamers are not quick to forget? I mean RROD? Xbox is still selling. PS2 with the power brick issue? PS2 is still the best selling console of all time. God these sites will do anything for $100 bucks in ad revenue..
another pile of funk article."Gamers are slow to forgive"....my frikin ass they are.How many RRoD,s you go through and still stuck with the 360,....bull again
RRoD is the only reason I haven't bought a 360 yet , so "Gamers are slow to forgive" is somewhat true in my case
these assholes and anonymous should target microsoft not sony. How many people did sony ban for having jailbroken consoles? Microsoft banned 1 million people without giving them a chance or even a refund for their live subscription. Sony didnt. Sony gives you a web browser bluray, far better movie and music player, a far better media server but these hackers dont understand that. Oo linux wtf is a computer for? and you could easily jailbreak your console to do linux or even get the ps2 emulator from jailbreaking your console which most hackers probably did. Stop beig suck fucking jerks and hop off.
who cares! this article is quickly cooling down..soon to 0 degrees. these articles arent really helping the cause or anybody for that matter. if your gonna hate or troll, at least be clever and subtle. thank you.
It irritates me to see how stupid some people are. Some people think this is all about the fact that the PSN was down. The big problem between us grown-ups who don't live mommy or daddy, and have them foot all the bills, is that the network was hacked and they didn't tell anyone that their information may be at risk until a full week later. Whether or not we find out CC info was actually stolen is besides the point, we needed to know right away that someone else was snooping in files that they shouldn't have. Another problem is the fact that it was revealed by the hackers that all our informations was being sent through PLAINTEXT!!! For anyone who think that's bad. Please for the benefit of society go wrap your mouth around your car muffler and let it run. I have no doubt the by the time Uncharted 3 or inFamous 2 rolls around I'm still gonna by them, but the fact is Sony fucked up. BIG TIME! And no amount of post incident Xbox smear articles is going to change the fact that Sony has, in my opinion just perpetrated the biggest goof in gaming ever. (Aside from maybe E.T. for Atari :P)
You do understand the meaning of the word "investigation" don't you? They hired an outside security firm to investigate. It takes time to conduct an investigation and create a report of the findings. Once Sony revieved the report and learned the extend of the attack they reported it to us. What is so damn hard to understand about that? I mean the police don't go handing out information to the public without conducting a full investigation first do they?
Let's see. RRoD still affects users that have the older models. RRoD lasted about 3 years and still affects users of the older models. PSN down lasts what? Maybe 3 weeks max? It's not even close. Windows puts users at risk every day for hacks, viruses, you name it.... I don't like what happened to PSN at all. I hate it. But put things into context here.
"Many own a PlayStation 3 today because they were angry at Microsoft" Utter Bullshiit, Many own a PS3 today because they realized it is better now than ever before and the old gaming Industry arguments was all Bulshiit. Let me give some factual reasons: Better or on par games (Devs got the heck of PS3) Better and more exclusives Better development software Change in lead platform (PS3 now prefered by some Devs) Powerful PS3 hardware structure (Old arguments was BS) Lot more features Increase in sales and going strong. There you go so rewrite your article son.
This is a list of companies that compromised peoples personal information in APRIL ALONE through hackers and other reasons out of their control. • TiVo • US Bank • Capital One • Home Sopping Network (HSN)(added 4/3 @10:22am) • Ameriprise Financial • LL Bean Visa Card • Lacoste • AbeBooks • Hilton Honors Program • Dillons • Fred Meyer • Beachbody (Makers of TRX) • TD Ameritrade • Ethan Allen • Eileen Fisher • MoneyGram • TIAA-CREF • Verizon • Marks & Spencer (UK) • City Market§ Target § Tiger Direct § Best Buy § Capital One § JP Morgan Chase & Co. § Kroger § US Bank § Citi § McKinsey & Company § Ritz-Carlton Rewards § Marriott Rewards § New York & Company § Brookstone § The College Board § Home Shopping Network (HSN) § LL Bean § Disney Destinations § Barclays Bank of Delaware § Air Miles § Red Roof Inn § Hilton Honors § Beachbody § 1-800-Flowers § The Home Depot § New York & Company § Bebe § Wal-Mart § The Ohio Department of Natural Resources § McKinsey & Company § Walgreens (Again!) § The College Board (added 4/3 @8:20am) § Disney Destinations § Best Buy § Robert Half § Target § QFC § bebe Stores § Ralphs § Fry's § 1-800-Flowers § Red Roof Inn § King Soopers § Eddie Bauer § Scottrade § Dell Australia § Jay C § The Ohio Department of Natural Resources Didnt see THESE get blown out of proportion or even get MENTIONED on any news outlets.
That's because there are not literally millions of xbot trolls and milk drinking nerd creeps who loathe Sony for whatever reason. So, so sad. Sony has done more than any of the 3 console companies to bring us exclusive content. To hell with the haters!
I think that's because none of these companies lost *77 million* customer details... ... after showing complete disregard to their privacy and storing their personal details in plain text format... ... and then taking a whole week to let their customers know what really happened. Sony did wrong from PR, customer relations and security perspective - and they did it big: Shit happens in many other companies, but usually is not on a 77 million accounts scale. How many companies in your list compromised the information of 77 million individuals? The numbers make the difference - at least for the media.
If my house gets broken into, then I guess its my fault because I didn't had locks strong enough on my doors and windows... yeah? I mean that what we're saying here isn't it? This is absolutely ridiculous. It seem people are focusing on Sony, rather than the people who hacked the network. I'm not saying that this isn't a big issue, and that Sony are the angels here. Yes they should have given us more timely data, and more forthcoming with information. But does any of us know how long it takes to get the information confirmed before releasing something official? For some reason this has become a fanyboy war, and a reason to troll and point fingers at Sony when it should be on the hackers. Sony are the ones that turned off the network to rebuild and offer a better system. What's with all the outrage at them, when the real criminals are still out there? But lets all never buy a Sony product again, and burn everything that we have with the Sony Logo. Lets never buy a PlayStation because this all Sony's Fault. The PS3 is dead and so is Sony... Get real. This happened for one reason, Sony didn't lie down quietly in the whole Geohot case, or ran scared from Anonymous. Instead they stood up, and actively went after as many people as they could. These hackers are scum and nothing more than thieves. They attacked a free service for personal gain under the guise of community and free speech. Making people believe that this is all Sony's fault and media and blind fanboys is eating it up. I don't want PSN back up unless is more secure. I also don't want Sony to rest in pursuing these people. The whole industry is under threat and affected by this. So stop the division on console type.
What the hell are journalists talking about nowadays?PSN being down won't make Sony's company go bankrupt or make the playstation go out of business. It's sad what people do for hits now..
this guy needs to tell me who his supplier is cause DAMN it must be good.
I have to shit
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