Brink: Snipers Will Be "Frustrated"

GamerZines: Richard Ham from Splash Damage has explained that snipers aren't accommodated for in Brink, in order to ensure other people on servers are having a "good time".

[shinrock]

im in love now! thank you Splash Damage.

[Commander_TK]

I'll have to quickscope if I'm gonna use a sniper then.

[fanboi hater]

Personally I snipe in every game doesn't matter which battlefield, killzone, etc. However, I also change classes in those types of game intermittently depending on the situation. Regardless though I normally have both more kills and more completed objectives than most people anyways. I first support then sneak up and take objectives. The most recent game in which I do this is KZ3. For defend missions I protect the objectives from afar and then move in cloaked with a pistol or other weapon I have stolen and capture or plant. I may be an exception in the way I snipe but I feel the way I use the class is probably how it is intended. So limiting the ability of snipers to camp is fine but to limit the class itself is not. Plus if you are too much of a N00b to get killed over and over by a sniper then you deserve to be killed over and over by a sniper.

Point is don't complain if you suck. If you can't deal with a camper then thats your problem and games shouldn't cater to making it easier for bad players as that always dumbs down the game. But again attempting to eliminate camping is good but I find players with other weapons camp just as much as snipers but in places where they can't even defend objectives or kill from afar so really you mind as well decrease the health of a player if they stay in the same spot too long.

Long rant but I love sniping and only n00bs cant deal with campers, however I do respect the company for attempting to deal with the camping problem

[Sashamaz]

So what's the diff between this and cod, both games have small maps and by the looks of it both support quick scoping. Clearly they didn't think this through, most games I play snipers are usually just running around sniping anyway.

[HxCGamer]

@fanboi

simply no

noobs usually are the campers

take killzone, when i play clan matches it gets really annoying that as soon as the opposite team gets a kill, they camp for the whole match, i usually can still beat them but sometimes i cant even find them because they stay cloaked and dont move for the whole match.

anyways i do love killzone, and i can deal with campers, but sometimes its just too much...
it really makes the game a bit boring when all i'm doing is trying to find someone thats invisible, instead of actually playing the damn game

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

Dick move. True snipers get annoying, but screwing over a gamestyle just because "others" don't like it is simply being a dick to those players.

[Spydiggity]

this is the best news. i knew this game was gonna be something special. finally a game that doesn't cater to the worst class in shooters. i never understood what kind of "gamer" would want to sit behind the action and rack up cheap kills while everyone else is actually playing the game.

nothing is more annoying than being in the middle of an intense one on one with an opponent and suddenly you get killed by some no-skill noob that's hiding in a tower on the other side of the map.

could be MP of the year. :)

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

@Spydiggity

Let me guess, Call of Duty, knife, and Commando Pro?

[fanboi hater]

@HxCGamer

I know what you mean that is really annoying fortunately I haven't run in to that too much yet. I have also been steering away from clan matches for the reason as well. I also wasn't implying that noobs don't camp I was only saying that only unexperienced players can't deal with campers. Personally whenever I am killed by a camper they are guaranteed a death. If you camp and kill me I will find and kill you, thats more what I was trying to say. In short your right camping is for n00bs and I make it my buisness to snipe the annoying n00bs lol.

Just a hint (you're probably already aware) but if your radar blurs there is a little sniper hiding waiting to be stabbed in the throat.

[nickjkl]

i like to be a ghost when i snipe

move silently

strike with certainty

if you miss change positions

never stay in a spot for to long

those are my guidelines when i snipe

[Christopher]

Yay! We only cater to run & gun playstyle and hate that there are other playstyles available and that developers just don't take the time to make them viable while the community sees them as "cheap" because most often the problem is that they don't learn how to not run out in the open and get hit!

Sorry, removing sniping isn't the option. It's a viable form of gameplay. Play one on MAG and our point is to support those who rush forward. It's not cheap, it's a tactic.

This is, of course, my opinion which differs greatly considering the majority of FPS online gamers would rather go with the standard run and gun, grenade spam, and rocket spam. Somehow snipers are the vile excrement of the FPS genre because they use different tactics than everyone else.

This is about as lame as complaining about campers. Last time I checked, if you know someone is camping, then you know where they are located and can avoid them and even work around to their location.

So much issue over the difficulty of a ever-changing battle field and having to learn tactics to combat more than just those who run into combat like yourself and yet players scream for more intelligent and tactical gameplay... /confused

/end slight rant

[christheredhead]

i understand what youre saying about it being tactical cause that is the truth. snipers are supposed to stay back and help clear a pathway. the problem is that people abuse the power that snipers have and end up running around trying to 1 shot kill people which is frustrating. it wouldnt be a problem if they actually stayed back and helped but very rarely do gamers actually choose to do that and in tern it makes the game very unbalanced at times. there needs to be ways to fix this instead of just having to deal with it. 2 hit shots like in bad company 2 was one of the things i liked and is not a bad idea.

[shinrock]

i prefer no spam at all.

[Christopher]

@christheredhead: That's a design flaw you solve.

I've cited this hundreds of times:

- Sniper rifles should have no sight aids when not scoped
- Standing and running scoping with a sniper rifle should have much increased sway

Sniper rifles should not be on-the-move options for gamers, and I understand this. That's what pistols and other light weapons are for. But, the problem is that developers haven't designed around this and have treated sniper rifles the same as a LMG.

But, on the flip side, the exact same is true for LMG and ARs in that the distance and scoping capabilities tend to match up to what a sniper rifle can do. Design flaws are abundant in FPS games and has led players into the thought that run and gun is just how you play it.

I respect Brink's decision to not go sniper-focused, but their reasoning for it is BS, IMHO. They did it so more people could have fun? Last time I checked, that's a disregard for sniper capabilities without even bothering to look at why people dislike them. Not a good sign of a developer who's trying to make a quality shooter, IMHO.

I also agree that BC2 did a great job with this, but not perfect. Battlefied 3 is supposedly looking to take this the one perfect step forward with improved bullet drop physics. As a sniper, I can't wait to learn how to shoot all over again and account for bullet drop.

[TheBossMan]

@ cgoodno - Bubbles for agreeing with me to the fullest. Those who hate snipers only hate them because they too often find themselves on the receiving end of a headshot while running out in the open like a dumbass.

[christheredhead]

@cgoodno

yah, i see what youre saying and thats kind of my point as well. there has to be a balance between everything. yet we havent seen much of brink so maybe it really is for the better. the same could be argued for things like noob tubes and rpgs. some people like them and some people dont so maybe it wasent the right decision but if it makes the game far more fair and balanced im all for it.

[Highlife]

I don't have a problem with snipers in general as I snipe from time to time to change things up. I don't like when they ruin a game. When they are in other game modes such as demolition, domination or other objective based games and they are doing noting for your team. When all they do is camp a spawn. Run to other corners of the map just trying to up there kill count. Same can be said for other classes but snipers seem to be more rouge then others.

[Dr Face Doctor]

The guy never said they were removing sniping, just that the map design and objective focus doesn't encourage lower-skill sniping. You'll have to rely on being on the move and getting comfortable with tight spots. It's been done in other games and works out pretty good, and despite that, good snipers can still dominate (just not quite as much as in CoD or Halo) while bad snipers will face a steep learning curve, just as it should be.

[-Alpha]

Removing the issue isn't a means of solving it for a greater good, it just takes away a playstyle everyone uses.

I don't like the idea that they purposely don't accomodate a playstyle, but I hope the maps allow for some fair sniping, and the last thing I'd want is for snipers to be turned into CQC weapons like in MW2.

There should be mechanics that promote teamwork if teamwork is important such as removing KDR and posting only Score per minute, W/L record, etc.

[Christopher]

***The guy never said they were removing sniping, just that the map design and objective focus doesn't encourage lower-skill sniping.***

I don't want to get bogged down in semantics too much here, but implementing close-quarters focused maps and eliminating 'corridor' or 'overland' shooting capabilities is pretty much removing sniping.

I also have a huge issue with their view on sniping: "So if those type of players want to just sit on the Grassy Knoll all game long getting one hit kills they're going to find themselves just a little bit frustrated with Brink..."

It's such a simplified view of what any sniper worth anything does. If you want to make it harder for this type of gameplay, then design levels where the combat moves from one location to another in a fluid manner rather than creating bottleneck or single-corridor designs that allow snipers to just sit in one place all day. Even better is to design levels that don't allow snipers to do as such from a point that only another sniper can take them out.

It's a sign of poor design overall for an FPS, IMHO, when you are looking at snipers in such a simple manner. Especially considering the issues people have with snipers are due to poor design issues from the people who make FPS games and not the gamers. People are, in general, always going to gravitate to the method that will allow them the highest personal kills (yet another design flaw that focuses on individual kills/points rather than group objective accomplishments).

So, what I'm hearing is that the Brink developers have decided to focus on individual points/kills in close combat only, and we will see people doing things that others will complain about as being cheap and annoying no matter what. Just this time is won't be snipers.

[xAlmostPro]

How can you hate snipers ofr running aroujnd and killing people up close with snipers?.. up close it's no different from being killed by a shotgun lol .. difference is, if you miss up close - medium range with a sniper your screwed.

However i cant wait for brink :D it's gonna be amazing

[baker_boi]

I dunno about all the "Tactics" having to do with Snipers, but I know when Im fighting somebody I'd rather not be sniped in the head 100 miles across the field.

Some bastard is perched up on a tower somewhere picking people off while they're actually playing the game.

If you wanna be a sniper join the army. It's better for you.

[plrbear1028]

learn to play a game with something other than sniper, oh that's right, you're complaining so its irreverent

[Christopher]

***learn to play a game with something other than sniper, oh that's right, you're complaining so its irreverent***

Trick question: Where did I say I only play snipers?

Non-trick answer: My most used professions in MAG and similar games are medics/engineers.

[Jinxstar]

The class itself doesn't bother me. I enjoy sniping from time to time too but take a game like BC2. This game is heavily designed around team play. Squad play. If a squad gets an engineer to repair the blackhawk helicopter. 2 door gunners and a pilot they are nearly unstoppable. The problem with a lot of these games is that sniping is "Safe" you really only get killed by other snipers even if your halfway decent.

In BC2 the game got really old to me because I would jump in a match with a medic or assault or something and see my other 3 team mates are all snipers... Then I would run to objectives and it was pointless because all you get is sniped going to try and secure or destroy the gold or flag or whatever... Occasionally I would get on a team with 1 of every class. This was amazing and we did incredibly well. The problem is most console gamers don't play games as "Intended" Camping in say MW2 or BLOPS is a fine tactic and sniping is fine as well but because console gamers don't know how to play together it becomes a "Safe" match as opposed to a "fun" match. So what do I do?... Get my maxed out sniper. Go to my favorite spot and kill kill kill... Drop motor strikes and quit after 2 matches because it was boring... Snipers sniping snipers gets old quick. So does easy kills of some dude running down the road at you... Granted with the vast arrays of vehicles and other things no one should really be running down the middle of the road but still...

I really feel like I am going for BF3 on PC because. While not everyone on there is a team player. It's incredible how many are... I guess I just never see the variety or the true intentions of a game like BC2 fully realized because 95% of the people play snipers... At least on consoles. Dont get me wrong. Camp away. I camp like crazy myself. If you need to defend that flag or box o' gold then do it. From right next to it or 500M away. It just gets really old at times when everyone has a .50 cal. Kinda like that "Mapathy" video for MW2. So I'm happy they are making it tougher on snipers. Force people out of the "Safe" zone and make the game more lively.

[damnyouretall]

different game different style. seems like close courters anyways.

[FrankenLife]

My problem with snipers is there are too many of them. In a class based team game they have their purpose, but having a team that made up of half snipers is frustrating. They aren't helping the team at that point, and are just going out for their K/D ratio. MAG is a perfect example of this. When attacking you only need 1 sniper. Half of the team staying back and not pushing the line forward is counter productive.

[Christopher]

***MAG is a perfect example of this. When attacking you only need 1 sniper. Half of the team staying back and not pushing the line forward is counter productive.***

Which I always find a bit funny considering that for most maps some of the best "sniping" spots are actually very close to where the action is.

[awi5951]

Yeah the cowardly sniper complaining. Video game snipers are just a bunch of cowards hiding in bushes that get kills too easy. If you cowards actually had to snipe and had to take into effect,Coriolis effect,bullet spin, wind, bullet drop,or in other words you actually had to snipe. You little punks wouldnt go near the class because you wouldnt be able to hit the side of a barn.

And battlefeild bad company 2 sniping sucks too. You dont even have to use the mil-dot reticle in that game you just have to worry about bullet drop.

[Ducky]

^ Err... sniping in TF2 is pretty challenging, and it has none of those fancy physics.

Anyways, maybe I missed something, but where does it state that they removed sniping? Just seems like the gameplay and/or maps will hinder sniper camps. I don't think their view on sniping is that all snipers are pentazmin-dosed campers, rather, they're trying to reduce those type of players (i.e. all players that camp, snipers are just used as poster-boys for campers). Or at least, that was my understanding.

That, and snipers aren't necessary in every game in the same sense that a flamethrower isn't necessary in every game (even though both can be used tactically). I have faith that SplashDamage knows what they're doing... though the final product will be the decision maker.

[Spydiggity]

not every shooter is required to have a tru sniper class. gears of war, for example, shouldn't have a sniper rifle. some games are meant to be intense and gritty. not some slow paced garbage experience where everyone is afraid to show their face cuz they might get picked off by some guy like you that would rather pretend he's good cuz he has a good KDR cuz he never had the balls to pick up a shut gun and get in the thick of it.

and sniping in most games is too easy. the sniper usually is a one or two shot kill and yet it doesn't breath. it's rarely implemented well. farcry 1 was one of the few times where the sniper actually felt like it would be welcome in the MP.

point is, they are designing the maps so you can't be some jerk in the distance killing people that actually wanna play a game. i, for one, love that they're doing this. this means nearly every kill will be earned. just like every death.

EDIT: and to everyone saying things like "the art of sniping" and trying to brag up how much "skill" it takes to play the class...BS. i can snipe, and snipe well, in almost every game. and it always makes me feel cheap and guilty for killing someone (other than other snipers) that actually want to play the game. you aren't doing anything special. and you aren't utilizing some skill that most other people don't have. sitting in a corner, or on a high perch, or on the other side of a small window and waiting for someone to happen into your frame of view is NOT skill. you're basically a rapist. while everyone else is at the bar, working their game, tryin to pick up a hottie. you're goin after the girls that are passed out drunk on a park bench. not only should nobody be impressed...you should be shunned by the community. go play the 900 other games that allow you to be a rapist.

[awi5951]

@FatOldMan

TF2? Be quiet man that comment is so silly its not even worth a response.

[hoof123]

@Alpha-Male22

I've read somewhere that KDR isn't a recorded stat. And that W/L ratio & SPM are the focus of stat tracking. So hopefully that will encourage teamplay!

[Focker420]

I'm really glad to hear this, not all games need sniper rifles. Especially in one where its mostly close quarters and the action is always pushing into new locations.

[awi5951]

If they are going to do damage like a real sniper weapon the aiming should reflect that as well. Snipers shouldnt be able to run around and dodge bullets and firing headshots its stupid.

[shooterexpert]

DICE needs to take notes.

I swear DICE does anything possible to cater to snipers in Battlefield games.

This shit needs to stop in BF3.

[showtimefolks]

dice needs to get a wake up call for BF3

[ReservoirDog316]

Snipers wait, campers camp. There's a difference. I don't have anything against snipers but I hate campers.

But this sounds like an interesting move. Brink sounds like it's shaping up good.

[DeadlyFire]

You have added fear to my thoughts on your ability to have balance in a game Splash damage. Perhaps that will change when your game is shown off.

[christheredhead]

this is awesome. im very happy to hear that.

[TheBossMan]

Why is this good? Some of us snipers don't just sit in corners trying to be a douche. I usually traverse the map with my secondary and pop a few shots each time I reach a spot with a good viewpoint. Why is that such a bad thing?

(Crybabies just don't want to have to be cautious. Don't expect to run around without getting shot, it's a WAR)

[christheredhead]

see you're an exception to the rule. the other 99% of gamers who pick sniper are just trying to camp and up their KD ratio. There is nothing wrong with that if you're playing team deathmatch as there are plenty of games that cater to that style already but when your playing an objective based game snipers are pretty useless. its nice to have one or 2 on your team to help but they still become lackluster at best when the goal is to arm an objective or get a checkpoint. its hard to do that when you 1000 miles away shooting people. im happy because brink is taking a different approach to make it more fun. like i said there are many many many more games where you can snipe as much as you want but it looks like brink wont be one of them which is a good thing.

[Ducky]

If you don't sit around in a corner being a douche, then this change doesn't apply to you.

All I can gather from the article is that players can't just camp a bottleneck and one-hit everything that moves.

[oddexarcadia]

Though there is not traditional sniping in Brink, they have talked about long range rifles. I think the game play style you are using will fit quite well in Brink.

I am happy the "camp for free kills" type of sniping is taking a hit. Though I am also happy that they are still allowing longer ranged weapons.

[sickbird]

All snipers camp, dont lie. Snipers are sissies.

[Spydiggity]

there shouldn't be snipers rifles in death match in any game...PERIOD.

i'm perfectly fine with them in objective based gameplay...but in death match...where everyone else is actually out there playing the game, getting their hands dirty.

one on one meetings in death match are like a chess battle. where each guy is trying to get to the other guy's king first. then some retard (the sniper) comes along and smashes your king with a hammer.

then everyone is pissed. the person died to some noob that's not even involved in the fight. and the other person lost his kill cuz some noob that doesn't have the skill to get up close and personal stole it from a hole somewhere.

death match is about which team can collectively get the best KDR, but it's also about a fun, balanced experience for everyone. Snipers throw off this dynamic in almost every game due to the incredible ease of using the sniper in most games (no breathing), and the ridiculous OP-nature of the weapon, along with the exploitative nature of most "gamers" that would rather brag about their KDR than play a fair game. i will dub it AWP-Syndrome.

i realize there are plenty of mouth breathers out there that would like to pretend they are skilled cuz they cheaped their way to easy kills by hiding in a corner. well, good news. there are dozens of franchises that cater to people like you. i'm thrilled to death to finally hear there's a game that doesn't. if you really wanna be a noob with no skill that gets to have a weapon that kills people in 2 shots while you are rarely seen or shot at, go play killzone 3. not only does it allow for you to hide in a corner and cheap your way to a high KDR, but it also lets you turn invisible indefinitely.

[MGRogue2017]

yay?

[RyuCloudStrife]

thats the only word off that wall of text lol

[INehalemEXI]

There will be snipes.

[malyn]

i loved the design it,s brilliant and i really cant wait for great FPS games like brink

[wallis]

God damn it! I liked being a sharp shooter! I hope this is more of a "no more sitting in a corner picking off dopes who wander past your stationary cross hair" than it is a "no more sitting ontop of a high tower fighting your own little twisted battle with the opposing team's snipers as a war rages on beneath you."

[smithdown]

Totally with you on this. As a sniper, your number one target is other snipers. I don't play it much any more, but I don't recall Bad Company 2 having loads of players roaming all over the map one-shotting people with sniper rifles. You tend to set up camp in a decent spot, take out people on turrets and watch for other snipers.
But Brink looks like a close-quarters game mostly so I'm sure the sniper class won't be missed.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Halo is the only shooter where snipers don't bother me. I hate snipers in every other game, be a man and get your ass down here and let's do battle rather than you sitting back in your safe haven picking off people who can't even see you.

[TheBossMan]

Snipers are always clearly visible. Maybe it's just because I'm a fan of the art of sniping so I know all the locations where people post-up in games, but they never are remotely hidden. It's realistic to not be able to just aimlessly run around without the all-to-real fear of getting a one shot kill to the head.

Sounds like someone hasn't tried sharpshooting and is soured by those who are good at it...

[PS360PCROCKS]

Nope. I've done it, it's not hard shooting someone in the head who's just standing there, It's ultimately boring.

edit:: focker said exactly what I think. Thank you.

@bossman- huh? players are not always moving and it's easy to snipe someone going it and out of buildings and so on. and you sit there and say you can't be seen. Snipers were exceptionally bad in Call of duty 4, which is why it got annoying to play. Getting sniped inside buildings while trying to shoot someone. I don't care if it's part of "combat" this is a game and snipers can ultimately ruin a game. Besides by the time you realize where they are shooting from you're already dead. Remember you have a one shot wonder, we have an inaccurate machine gun to try and shoot back with.

[Focker420]

To say you can always see snipers is ludicrous. Want to know why snipers are so effective?? Its because they can't be seen. The point of a sniper is to stay out of view and remain undetected. Yes sniping is an effective tool in combat, but its not a necessity in every single game. I'd really love it if just once I could play a game where I didn't have to worry about getting killed from all the way across the map.

[TheBossMan]

Haha, okay. I didn't know you were playing against disabled opponents who couldn't move. People I usually shoot are in motion, seeing as how they have legs.

@ Focker - Like I said, I know all the sniping locations in games I play since I tend to snipe quite often, so I'm well aware of where to look before crossing an open area or entering a certain section of the map.

@ PS360Wii - COD4 had a VERY small number of sniping locations on each map that were really easy to locate. The most difficult thing I can think of would be someone on Crossfire shooting from either end of the street. That'd be hard to spot if you don't have a rifle yourself. Otherwise I'm not seein' it.

[KaBaW]

No. Simply no. Snipers are not 'always clearly visible.' That's, for me, the main reasoning that they are annoying. It's not fun walking into a hotzone shooting it out with other players, up close, just to be shot from a damn sniper chilling 500 feet away that you can't see, don't notice, or can't shoot.

Now, sniping doesn't much bother me..
But, in that instance, yes, snipers suck.
I'm trying to play the game, and shoot people, but I can't cause a damn sniper, kicking back, waiting for any glimpse of someone walking into his cross airs, fires, and kills you in one shot. And, it's just simply not any fun..

[madjedi]

Ps360 actually try to hit a moving target at long distance in bfbc2, then tell me how easy it is, not every target is motionless. All of you whining babies insulting snipers for killing at long ranges, wtf do you think a sniper is supposed to do dumbasses, run and gun. -_-

And when i can pick off people halfway across the map in bfbc2 and not get mowed down by very long range ar and lmg fire, from the rest of the enemy squad.

Then you crybabies might have something to really complain about for once, snipers generally have 5 rounds per clip if we are lucky and have load a new round after the first is fired. So how we are at some magical advantage vs ar or lmg users is news to me.

If it's so op or easy try to kill targets moving away from you at distance with a sniper rifle a few times, then give a informed opinion on it next time.

Aww look at all the upset run and gunners who think they are hot shit on their 5th kill in a row, only to be popped in the head from long range by a sniper lol. You know that has to piss them off something fierce.

As far as manning up and bringing it to close range, so were back to jr high lovely alot of people will switch between sniper and other classes.

No for all the hate i have seen displayed at snipers here, next time you play bfbc2 on defense have no one on your team as a sniper to counteract the opposing teams sniper/s. Then see how easy it is to disarm a charge/defend a open objective under near constant sniper fire.

[bwazy]

If you snipe instead of run and gun your gonna have a BAD TIME!

[SuicideShaun]

Never pizza when you're supposed to french fry, you're gunna have A BAD TIME!

[Silly gameAr]

Any shooter that makes it harder for snipers and campers is a big plus for me.

[telekineticmantis]

parkouring and stabbing them in the head.

[Captain Tuttle]

Snipers usually aggravate me but I'd rather have a balanced game with snipers than a game with no snipers. This seems like a cheap move.

[telekineticmantis]

it's called a short rifle, you can use attchments and create it how youd like.

[Dr Face Doctor]

Looks more and more like they're taking the TF2 mindset in map design and game balance. I can dig that.

[Ace_Man_6]

this game just gets better and better!

[OSIRUSSS]

Snipers should be in most FPS.IMO. I think Warhawk was the hardest game to snipe in. I remember a guy had a screen shot where he killed 3 people with one snipe in Warhawk. Thats skillz.

[Dr Face Doctor]

They ARE in most FPSs. There's even a sniper rifle in Bulletstorm and while completely awesome, it wasn't even necessary. I don't think I've played a multiplayer FPS that doesn't have a sniper rifle in some form.

[Clarence]

So does this mean that levels are going to be small? I already feel this game will be garbage, but they just confirmed it. What makes a great FPS is one that accommodates all play styles, Not just run and gun which is what they are going for. I'm sure there will be people running around with rocketlaunchers and grenades blow up everything in sight. I guess that's ok since their in the middle of the action. They won't be getting my money.

I was playing KZ3 and I was running to cover. As I was getting to my spot I heard the sound of the sniperrifle. Just then one of my teammates head exploded right in front of me. Scared the shit out of me and I turned my ass right back around. Sniping intensifies the game. I love it.

[9thWonder]

Brink- probably the first shooter not to have "campers" lol this should be interesting and in a good way

[Christopher]

Oh, people will camp. Tons of non-snipers camp. Especially doorways and hallways.

[KaBaW]

The thing though, about Brink, is that.. camping won't do you much good. Sure, you will get kills, but, if I'm not mistaken, you won't get that many points from doing so.. Which in turn means you can't upgrade your weapons or get new skills. You don't upgrade and get skills, you're going to lose even when camping.. I don't expect much campers, in Brink, to be honest.

So, it seems, to me, in Brink.. camping is a lose lose, for that player.

[BlackTar187]

EDIT:KABAW I DONT THINK YOUR THE PERSON I SAW UP ABOVE

Then whats the point of taking out the sniper class?

Almost all the people on this forum have commented on how they don't like snipers because they camp back and only really work on there KDR.

NO ONE MENTIONS that there are more corner hallway camping non snipers then anyone. everyone is complaining but i don't see no one complaining about making small corridor maps is gonna make 100X more campers. You don't add more corners and not add more campers.

Lose lose it doesn't matter they only care about kills which is kind what i was getting from you about snipers and why it pisses you off.. Im confused on if one is better then the other and if so why?

[NotSoSilentBob]

Brink confirmed to be going after the Call of Duty kiddies who like to Run and Gun.

[HacSawJimThugin]

There are plenty of videos (Youtube?) that show off the game play style that Brink is offering. Sniping doesn't fit big deal keep playing COD and leave the innovative stuff to the people who want something other that the usual B.S.

[MysticStrummer]

I don't have a problem with camping/sniping, but I damn well agree about the "usual B.S.". So many games seem like they could interchange titles, especially in the multiplayer FPS department, and it's nice to see a dev trying new things. That's the reason I can't see myself giving up MAG. I'm psyched for Brink.

[HacSawJimThugin]

People really hate change... just looking at all of the hate aimed towards Brink for trying to be different. There are more than enough "interchangeable titles" out there where people can ride those grassy knolls all day. I for one am glad snipers are limited. In this story and game play type there is no need for them so I will be reserving this...yessir!!

[DFresh]

Snipers aren't the problem it's people's strategies for killing snipers that sucks.

I enjoy a challenge and if there's a really good sniper I like playing the cat & mouse game.

In other words I try to sneak around, blind, and equally snipe my opponent.

If anything it'll make you a better player playing against tougher opponents.

If it's too easy it's not fun you need some challenge or else it gets boring.

IMO.

[KaBaW]

You are correct, a challenge is fun, and will make you a better player..
And, I like going up against players are better than myself, it's nice.
However, sometimes you can't just 'sneak around' some snipers..

Sometimes, there is only one direct path.. you're screwed.

[BlackTar187]

Kabaw then you need to be a smarter target.

im sure they have smoke in the inventory select screen.

[DFresh]

Smoke & Flash Grenades are a really handy to use.
That's also another thing don't walk make sure to run.
It's really hard to hit a moving target.

[KaBaW]

Who said I'm not a smart target? lol.
In some games, smokes don't do a damn thing.
Like in Black Ops, you can often use the autoaim to shoot through smoke.
In other games, perhaps, they have a different view to see through smoke.

All I said, is in some games there is only one direct path to a sniper.
Which means, typically, you are screwed.. seein as if the sniper is good.

[BlackTar187]

i never said you said that but it sounded like you were speaking from experience and so am i. In COD is there auto aim while in scope?

damn im out of bubbles so ohh well.

[helghast102]

u mad sniperfags?

[Grimhammer00]

2 things I see here that makes this awesome.
1 - sniping on the move is non-existent in real life. Since fps are trying to get realism with over the top fun, it should be very hard. Not quick scoping crap.
2 - rolling objectives make campers less effective. This should be in every fps!

Let's keep in mind that too much realsm breaks the experience. One shot from even a .22 is enough to kill or slow you down...so what's the point of other weapons? You gotta have some mechanic in place like all fps do...to allow for variables in weapon usefulness.

[Tikicobra]

<3

Snipers are the dysentery of online shooters.

[mab636]

the sniping class is the most abused class in shooters. Sure there is some people who don't abuse it and actually try and help a team but i'm sorry, i don't have a whole lot of respect for people who sit across the map with a gun that gets one shot kills and never has to get within 300 feet of an opponent. Use your "tactical" argument all u want but im not buying it.

[Pillage05]

Not sure why everyone is bitching. What's wrong with making a game that was meant for more close quarters combat. Some people like that kind of play style so they'll love this. If you don't, don't freakin' buy it. It's a shame how everyone wants a game that's built specifically for them and their play style. Learn to appreciate all types of games. Or just buy the ones you like. Gamers have become so bitchy today.

[Arknight]

This is just more dumbing down of modern video games.

If you don't like snipers in multiplayer, then get together with your teammates and take them out....why is that so hard? Because it actually requires working together?

Snipers only do so well because most players are ADD morons who don't have the patience or composure to actually be a sniper, themselves...then they get pissed while they run around like deer getting picked off by a hunter.

Think strategically and use teamwork...then it doesn't matter what class you play as.

[ATiElite]

this is not the dumbing down of video games. Seriously go play Arma II.

All games do not require a Sniper. even games such as Quake and Unreal which had sniper rifles i wouldn't classify them as snipers because in those games if you stood still you were dead.
Brink is geared towards that Rambo "twitch gaming" style.

Hopefully Brink Homefront Modern Warfare 3 and Crysis will have all of "those types" of gamers on their servers and leave Battlefield 3 to the CORE gamers who enjoy teamwork and not running around like hyper children.

[plrbear1028]

you're retarded and cant play a fps

[Clarence]

Brink will suck!

[MysticStrummer]

Despite the fact that pretty much everyone who plays it says otherwise...?

[ATiElite]

Some games are run n gun "twitch gaming" Quake comes to mind and some games are are a mix of realism/arcade like Bad Company 2 then you have your Military Sims like Arma II.

so all in all some games are meant for teamwork and sniping while others are meant for Rambo style of game play (Blops). You think ppl would be smart enough to know the different style of FPS now a days because all of them ARE NOT THE SAME.

No snipers in brink makes sense because 1 it's a small map w/ Rambo game play and 2 they have that auto-run feature where the character jumps, ducks, and slides while running and I'm sure it has an issue with being shot while in that sequence.

[BlackTar187]

good point about being shot while in those sequences. I can imagine the crying now. I shot him before he slid

[icewater85]

I have been waiting years for a game without snipers. Last game I remember not having snipers was goldeneye 64. i don't have a problem with snipers, i just like close range combat much more.

[BlackTar187]

yea but the real good players would have long range golden gun contests :)

[Relientk77]

Snipers will find a way

[Dead_Cell]

Could it be? A game that forces people to grow balls?

[Relientk77]

Does that include women?

[Dead_Cell]

Brink may be that manly.

[Relientk77]

I don't like women with balls :-/

Girls shouldn't play this game lol

[sickbird]

SNIPERS AKA CAMPERS

[X-Frame]

Never did the article say there aren't going to be any sniper rifles in the game. There are.

However, there won't be many circumstances for a one-hit kill unless your target is weakened, or possibly if your sniper rifle is buffed by an Engineer and has armor-piercing rounds given by a Soldier.

[Trroy]

So... everything is close quarters then? Shotgun camping and landmines will be the thing, I suppose. Grenade spamming will also be uber effective.

[maawdawg]

No Grenade spamming here either. They are on a timer cooldown and also don't do much damage, but cause knockdown. Basically in Brink they are a setup tactic and then you finish people with your gun.

No chuck and pray or grenade spam until you see XP here, which is another great addition to the game imo.

[ko-zee-ii]

Thanks for stealing my interview. Enjoy the hits

[ko-zee-ii]

For the full "original" interview go to http://n4g.com/news/715260/...

[SwiftShot]

Its all about the parkour haha getting sick of snipers anyways, an excuse to camp in the same spot for 15 minutes.
Now if your moving to a spot across the map then kudos but moving in the same spot is still camping :D if your getting rushed and your trying 2 move then thats all them! BRINK PARKOUR

[bozebo]

the article explains nothing
except "the map design and the nature of the constantly changing match objectives"

I don't know why people think snipers are campers, the snipers that kill you the most are probably running all around the map taking medium range shots and going for the objectives. The ones who sit in a spot are just noobs who can't hit anything anyway.

I tend to use all "classes" in games and stick with the ones that work best, generally I can get (in bfbc2) something like 50 kills 10 deaths sniping - or go running and gunning with engineer and still get 50 kills and 10 deaths.

But if you compare Noob A sniping to Noob A running and gunning, he will probably do better sniping (from a grassy knoll as the article describes, or "obvious sniper point number one")

I think halo does it well, by having map spawning weapons - why do games keep moving to customized loadouts? (even reach does that I guess)

I will do a bit of everything in Brink and that will include sniping - and I will kick insurmountable amounts of ass doing so.

[Thoreau]

some you have got zero fps skills. i have never seen such babies. raise your fps skills. it is not the sniper that killed you but your lack of ability.

[Thoreau]

i repeat, some of you so-called gamers have zero skills, the camping sniper got me, the spray and prayer got me, the luck grenade got me........ lack of ability gets you killed in fps games. i am not the ultimate badmofo, but i can adapt.

to the disagreer, you nerd..

[mrmonkeyhumper]

This forum cracks me up. All the people that love sniping can play the games that cater to your game style. Big fan of sniping, don't play Brink. There are plenty of games out there that do cater to this type of player. Getting mad and starting a flame war about it is kinda silly. I have been looking forward to this game forever. I hope it's good and I think it's stupid to argue about something you haven't even played yet.