"During the last Pitpass Dan said that the three cars we saw coming in the Forza Ultimate Collection were like the snack before the appetizer before dinner and was nothing compared to what they have coming down the pipe. If this is a fair analogy and Turn 10 is now focusing just about all of the development team on "The Next Big Thing" then it is also fair to say that the upcoming content for Top Gear will end up in Forza Motorsport 4." - ForzaCentral
Throughout its marketing campaign Forza Motorsport has been described as being “built from the ground up,” but some players are skeptical after discovering a reused car model that first appeared in Forza Motorsport 3.
yep been playing it all day and the newer car models look ok at best and the older models looks downright ugly and out place. im playing on pc at 4k with everything on ultra with dlls performance mode and the cars just look completey off, even the paints looks off, gt7 on ps5 shits on the car models here and its not even close, espcially paint and materials wise!!
its by no means a bad game but it is again another hype job from MS doesnt get close to living up to what it should be.
i genuinly thought this was gonna improve on GT7 in every way, when in fact at this in point after 10 hours the only thing i think is better is the standing start races as opposed to gt7s god awful chase the rabbit races starting 25 seconds behind.
the fuel and pit stop additions to forza are just surface level additions so they could say hey we did it, i am yet to see a meaningful incorporation of either one and the systems that would facilitate it being genuine are not there.
I cant control my power to fuel ratio during the race like i can in gt7, there is no timing hud for the whole grid, so i dont know how far ahead or behind i am or when drivers are pitting so i could plan my strategy, not that pitting is necesarry at all.
rain doesnt cause a slippery surface or aqua plaining nor does it tell you just how wet the track is like gt7 which informs you if inters or full wets are needed, no weather map, nothing.
its really just shinear version of previous forza, if you want proper sim racing where actual strategy comes in to play with longer races, with real pitt stops and having to manage your actual fuel effectively during the race then this game isnt it, go get gt7.
if you want a really simple and basic sim racer then this is for you.
majorly dissapointed, i thought this was the one game from MS that would hit all the right notes, in reality built from the ground up for next gen was a bullshit line and and its not even better than a cross gen game released a year and half ago.
One big thing I feel makes GT7 so much better is that they surface mapped all the tracks so they have actual imperfections which means that sometimes the fastest path is slightly off the expected path because you have to avoid the imperfections to maintain traction.
GT7 is by far the more realistic racing game. It's kind of funny because they claim they reworked the whole driving and physics system to compete with GT Sport and Forza's not even close to as realistic as even GT Sport was and GT7 is way better than GT Sport.
Excellent write up.
I follow SuperGT and in the preview of the game he was not impressed with improvements.
Said it felt the same as FM7.
The whole time I was searching for ray tracing in race and it was not present.
Built from ground up my ass.
(Yes yes I know there is a performance mode and a visual mode I know)
P.s. You can choose your starting grid position. WTF is that in a sim race?
@mtrnyc
its all the little details, you see the track evolve in gt7 with the rubbers marks, and the marbles from the tyres start building up off the racing line on the side, you can actually see the tyre deformation when racing an f1 car for instance.
honestly, im actually shocked at how much better and more advanced gt7 is than this game, this is literally just a surface level sim racer, it would make a fantastic entry point for someone new to sim racers but my lord does it pale in comparison to gt7 where it counts
@stanjara
yep picking your starting spot is dumb AF for this type of game
"there is no timing hud for the whole grid, so i dont know how far ahead or behind i am or when drivers are pitting so i could plan my strategy"
Wait, really? They don't have the distance or timing splits options for the HUD anymore that's been there from the start, after they add pit stops, when you'd really need something like that?
@dumahin
i will correct myself slightly just opened the game to see if it was option and you can turn it on for single player races, it was set to multiplayer only but again if the races were really gonna need it they wouldve had it set as on but no the races are like i said simple surface level sim racing.
but to answer the question correctly yes it actually does have the option, you just need to turn it on
And what about the loading times in Forza? They sure are super fast in Gran Turismo 7 (PS5). :)
"i genuinly thought this was gonna improve on GT7 in every way, when in fact at this in point after 10 hours the only thing i think is better is the standing start races as opposed to gt7s god awful chase the rabbit races starting 25 seconds behind."
This! I really hated this for every race it's always a running start and always last. And we all know the reason for that which is the bad ai.
"its by no means a bad game but it is again another hype job from MS doesn't get close to living up to what it should be" <-- Spot on. I've been playing since the second it launched and I'm a little disappointed too. You're totally right about the paint..its whacky how bad it is visually. I have pretty damn good hardware and the frame pacing is totally jacked up. I wanted a close-to-GT7 game on my PC, unfortunately Forza is the furthest from GT that its been. :-(
“built from the ground up,”
This isn't even the oldest models, they are recycling, there is stuff dating back to the 360 in the game.
Everything is all lies with these guys.
Enjoy the battle pass and the DLC to get cars and tracks in your live service b.s. game, meanwhile we'll be getting them for free in GT7.
Built from ground up for the Series S most probably. I mean that's 75% of the audience right there.
Forza motorsport doesn't have that traditional campaign but rather just tick box races. Most reviewers are omitting this
i dont mind how they have done it but, theres not a whole lot of content race wise which is a let down, and the car RPG thing sucks balls.
i unlock the same things in the same order everytime and make the same upgrades in the same order everytime.
rather than being able to look at the strengths and weakness of the car im using and put my credits into upgrading the weakess im stuck upgrading parts i dont really need cause thats all i can do and by the time i do unlock what i really wanted, lo and behold the 5 race series is over and its on to a new car to rinse and repeat my unlocking and applying my upgrades
On one hand, that was kind of a bigger deal since the old models didn't have an interior so it was all just a black silhouette inside. But on the other hand, they made no claims that it was built from the ground up and were clear there were premium models that did have the full interior and some without.
I agree, it was jarring and not needed in my opinion, but it didn't make the game bad or worse, yet that was the impression around here at the time if you remember.
i uh....liked the black interiors. I got the perspective without the distraction. I wish it was an option.
KeenGamer: "See the top 10 rarest cars to ever appear in Forza history! Thousands of cars have been featured in Forza since launch and only a handful of them have been really difficult to obtain or, in current state, impossible to drive around with. Although they were once obtainable, it's only for a limited time and, most times, for a certain price."
I thought this was going to be about the rarest and most valuable cars in the game, based on real life manufacture numbers and value.
Paul writes - "Looking back over a lifetime of playing games, and racing games in particular, I am moved to consider which were the best that I have ever played. I'm going to be platform blind on this, largely because I didn't have an Xbox until the 360 came out, so many games I played were on the other consoles that were available. In order that I played them, here are the racing games that have had a lasting impact on me and 10 of the best racing games of all-time."
this guy is an idiot need for speed was never on the c64 it was first on the 3DO in 1994
Correct. started on the 3DO.
To bad NFS fell from Grace.
used to buy every nfs title and GT
Now only GT NFS became crapfest.
No particular order:
iRacing
rFactor
rFactor 2
Assetto Corsa
Dirt Rally
F1 2019
Project Cars
Project Cars 2
Gran Turismo 5
Forza 7
I loved Colin McRae Rally, got addicted to that game for a long time.
DriveClub I highly rate as very good and enjoyable.
sorry but this looks like a me too kind of thing, they are copying others ideas to a point of just being obvious, love forza, hate the devs.
@ dissagrees, so top gear stuff for forza was anounced about a year ago then? no it wasnt, its a blatent thunder stealing move and you fanboys know it.
people are blind .. just take both games , forza 3 is a good game but GT5 is the best game u'll ever see in ps3 , xbox360 and pc
if u people can't understand that these are just games and we buy them for fun then stop buying games !! because buying them is useless ... fighting for nothing !!
in my opinion GT5 is alot better then forza 3 , u can't even compare both games !! but forza 3 is a good game
If I met him on the street,I bet the 1st thing he'd do is critisize someone,somewhere.I mean.Come on,Dan.Lighten up.I was a huge follower in the Forza2 days,after years of GT.But Hahaha,I realised,you're like the mean bitter version of Peter Molyneux in the car sim world.and yes,Fable is a good rpg,but comparing Forza to GT is like comparing Fable to Oblivion content wise