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Navigation Controller for Kinect?

Kudo Tsunoda recently stated that Kinect will be able to use a controller in conjunction with Kinect's camera capabilities. We take a look at some ways it would work, and how it might truly make Kinect a must-have peripheral for core and casual gamers alike. We've got plenty of pictures and concepts as well.

Is a controller or navigation controller even needed for Kinect?

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Pedobear Rocks5364d ago

for months...by E3 2011 MS will drop the 'you are a controller' mantra and issue remotes...

Your price of play just went to $230 for two players too (Kinect plus 2 40$ wands)

guru95355364d ago

agreed, but you will probably be able to use the regular xbox controller too.

Joule5364d ago

Sounds like their revolutionary device wont be so revolutionary.

DatNJDom815364d ago

First Eyetoy, now Move? Next, they will try to copy PS3. m$ sure knows how to innovate.

FragMnTagM5364d ago (Edited 5364d ago )

Kudo was referring to the 360 controller being used in conjunction with the Kinect, not a wand like the Move.

You guys on here really need to learn how to make sense out of words. What part of YOU ARE THE CONTROLLER don't people get. The games that are aimed at the Wii crowd are going to be controller FREE! The games that are hardcore and may use Kinect in one way or another will be mostly regular controller. Not too hard to figure out. This article just blabbers on and on with nonsensical BS just for some hits.

@jwk94
And why not? If the majority of the games, which are aimed at the Wii crowd are controller free, how is it not controller free? Please enlighten me. They have said from the very beginning that the controller will compliment the Kinect for hardcore gamers. You guys are trying so damn hard to push your thoughts and opinions on everyone else that you just sound like a broken record.

jwk945364d ago

It's not "you are the controller" if im using a controller with the thing.

Heartnet5364d ago

Even if hardcore games did use kinect it would have to be in some minute way that it is pointless to even use since not every1 has £130 to spend on an accesory that is aimed at a casual audience

LostDjinn5364d ago

"I smell ps3 fanboy bs"

You sure that's not just your breath blowin' back in your face commodore?

Biggest5364d ago

No way, dude! The Move is a copy and the Kinect is TOTALLY revolutionary. Didn't you get the memo?

maxcer5364d ago

@ DatNJDom81

yup just like sony copied achievements, netflix, the guide button, and facebook.

whats next out of your mouth? MS stole the concept of multiplayer gaming from the PC? i swear the people here are getting dumber by the day.

Motorola5364d ago (Edited 5364d ago )

Sony copied Netflix ^^ LOL you serious??? Xbox copied the Mailbox then. and the Home button was on the PSP...nice try though.

InfectedDK5364d ago

El Jugador, yes it will. Justin Bieber says so!

ChronoJoe5364d ago

What? you speak of Kinect games not aimed at the 'Wii crowd', where are they?

DatNJDom815363d ago

....................you sound butthurt man.............. your alright?

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Cloudberry5364d ago

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I assume it's a combination between XBOX regular controller + Kinect.

Still...

*SHRUG*

guru95355364d ago

@cloudberry:

obviously you did not even read the full story.....

no offense, and don't take this the wrong way, but people like you should not even bother commenting.

DeadIIIRed5364d ago

Valid point, but some of us do work in offices with firewalls.

yippiechicken5364d ago

GET BACK TO WORK BEFORE I FIRE YOUR LAZY ASS!!!

:)

Mike134nl5364d ago (Edited 5364d ago )

... It was known from the very beginning/start that Kinect would be compatible with the xbox 360 controller.
Sub-controller is of course possible but considering the kinect price point and microsoft marketing focus on controler free gaming this won't happen unless a third party decides to include a sub controller to the kinect system.

wat6345364d ago

@frag - thanks for clearing it up here.

FragMnTagM5364d ago

Reading headlines and jumping to conclusions is about all that happens around here. We have a few clever people on here but the vast majority are brainless and spout nonsensical fanboy bs.

I don't understand how "it could work with a controller," turned into MICROSOFT IS RELEASING A WAND CONTROLLER!

tinybigman5364d ago (Edited 5364d ago )

this would defeat the purpose of that line you've been shoving down our throats. if sony did this and realized it didnt work out you should have known this from the beginning too.

if we're suppose to be the controls NOTHING should be used in conjunction with kinect.

tinybigman5364d ago (Edited 5364d ago )

disagree all you want, but when the company is pushing that you're suppose to be the controller NO other controller should be used in conjunction with kinect. if you believe otherwise your a hypocrite.

looks like i hurt some peoples feelings with the truth. shame people are so easily fooled this generation.

shadyiswin5363d ago

Are you people really serious? I can understand the confusion at first....actually no I can't. He (Kudo) was simply stating he didn't understand the whole you need buttons push from sony when the kinect can work in conjunction with a standard xbox controller. Very simple, a few people with common sense have stated this and yet 90% of the tards here are bitching about microsoft going back on it's word, the same people who don't plan on getting a Kinect in the first place lol. I can't wait for microsoft to destroy sony this holiday it will be epic. Also lol'ing at the agrees and disagrees, you sony fanboys are damn afraid lol and you should be.

raztad5364d ago

"Kudo was referring to the 360 controller being used in conjunction with the Kinect"

I dont understand this. Ca you elaborate how is different to using MOVE with EyeToy? Isnt it for gaming? only multimedia? I really dont get it.

Bigpappy5364d ago

M$ as always said that developer can use Kinect to enhance controller based games-- where Kinect could be used as an option along with the controller. Kinect based games will be made from the ground up to use kinect but developers could do what ever they want with their games.

Biggest5364d ago

And here I was thinking that "You Are the Controller!" meant that you are the controller. What they really meant was "Followers, please LOL at the Move and call it a Wii-clone, but when we release our EyeToy/Wii/Move clone we would like for you to "knew it all along!"

ico925364d ago

this really contradicts the concept of Kinect, Controller free gaming my a$$

Moonboots5363d ago

"You guys on here really need to learn how to make sense out of words."

LMAO! Soooo funny and sooo true.. A site makes something up and suddenly it's a directive from Microsoft. I can only guess people choose to turn their brain off just so they can yet again troll.

PS360fanboy5363d ago

@DatNJDom81

Copying the Move? I hope you're being ironic and not just plain dumb.

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xYLeinen5364d ago

So in the VERY end there will probably be a controller specific for Kinect. Microsoft you fu**** hypocrites!!!

MorganX5364d ago

What's the hypocrisy? It doesn't need a controller, why not add the option for when it's appropriate.

I'm not getting a Kinect but I am interested in navigation without controllers. If you're going to use a controller to navigate with motion, just use the controller.

But, if it can also use a controller for gun peripherals or something, why not?

Casuals go nuts over jumping around handsfree, hardcore gamers may want some buttons. Give them all what they want. What's the problem?

xYLeinen5364d ago

Yea sure, but that is not the point.

Microsoft has STRESSED that Kinect is a controller free hardware, and it's something brand new that the industry haven't seen before. Making a controller with this doesn't make Kinect different from the Eye Toy or w/e the ps3 got.

Basically they are saying, yea we are releasing a controller as well to support Kinect because all games CAN'T be played with only using Kinect.

MorganX5364d ago

Did they ever say that "all games" CAN be played only using Kinect?

The Wood5364d ago

without a controller.

ef all this 'you are the controller crap'. Anybody with half a brain could see Natal needed a dedicated controller to open up more game genre's as without one its limited. If it doesn't then say bye bye to 90% of the wii games made by 3rd party studios that will now probably be making their way to the ps Move. Anybody who says, 'it doesnt need it' then laud it when they do eventually release it is a bloody hypocrite and im calling em out from now because its inevitable. Just like rumble on the dual shock just like hdmi, 1080p, whatever

raztad5364d ago

MS is aware controller-less Kinect is a technical failure. I think they plan to sell as many of them as they can (thats why the incredible marketing) and then release a controller to "enhance" the controller-less experience.

TheBlackSmoke5364d ago (Edited 5364d ago )

This is pretty much what everybody who's not drinking the jesus juice has been saying from the start. Even if kinect could track 1:1 it still would not be any use unless you could do multiple actions at once, which just isn't possible hence why nintendo and sony passed on this tech.

Bigpappy5364d ago

M$ has taken Kinect to the masses like no other product has done before. They had them setup in malls and non-gaming stores, even toured city to city. Is it a technical failure becuase they didn't tac it on to "Halo: Reach"? You sound very bitter about a successful add-on. Just because Sony did know how to make it work doesn't mean no one else can. Whatch and weep some more as M$ sell Millions of these things for years to come.

You don't normally troll this hard "raztad". Whats the matter man?

raztad5364d ago

@BigPapy

I'm not trying to. Kinect and EyeToy share the same concepts, and are suitable for the same type of games. The difference is Kinect has a 500m marketing behind it and so far it hasnt proven to be functional and reliable. Its actually lame you are supporting that device just because MS will sell Millions.

If a controller to "enhance" Kinect control-less is added at some point, this Kinect thing will prove to be the a massive scam.

Bigpappy5364d ago

They will fine themselfs in the same boat as Sony is in with the Move. The casuals will stay with the wii. M$ is going after casuals and people who nomally would not play Video Game. I have family and friends that will sit and watch me play for a good few hours, but there is no way they would touch a controller. My sister is a mom with kids, who is into fitness and likes to dance. She is about to buy a 360 with Kinect after complaining that her son spends too much time on his.

M$ is making this thing work. You guy are making these remarks based on what you preceive Kinect to be based on Eyetoy. There is quite a bit of evedence that there are 2 different animals. Eyetoy is a 2D web cam with cam with some software. Kinect is a 3D web cam with a IR projector, and a cmos IR camera for sensing depth base on the IR feed back. The main chip in Kinect is that developed by Primesense (so you can look it up).
That is just the hardware. The bigest difference in how kinect works is the software. Developer have said that M$ is constanly updating the software to eliminate flaws and complaints they fine to keep refining Kinect. It has the same voice software tech found in M$ sync system and in Bing only with added noise elimination features.

How is that a technical failure.

The Wood5364d ago (Edited 5364d ago )

wake me up when you can show me games that havent been done on the eyetoy. Im not gunna call anything a failure but ive seen nothing other than rail or dance/fitness games. If that's good for you then fine but I don't have to BS myself to think that the rails games Ive seen appeal to me. I couldn't give a crap what it sells if the games are crap either.

Without an input device NOT the hyped 'scan anything' natal concept Kinect will be limited to a very casual level of games. How anybody can feel that having something that adds to the overall performance results in a minus is just beyond dumb. Ill see the 'you are the controller' thing for what it is and thats pr hype. You think ill be annoyed if MS do a u turn if the experience is better in the long run with something they said they didint??? Yes they'll get stick just like sony did with the rumble but the gamers won even though many had to fork out more money on the DS3's the gaming experience was improved. Some people have blind faith even when they've seen nothing to justify that said faith. Even the casual games look glitchy at the moment so how much improvement are people really expecting. MS themselves had to fake shows, distract with elephants and use teen idols to push kinect like narcotics.

Imperator5364d ago

My god are you blind Big Pappy? He's not saying it's a commercial failure, he's saying it's a TECHNICAL failure. The damn thing doesn't even work right! The tech does not function. You get that now?

And why does it selling make YOU happy? Unless you're a stock holder, it's the last thing you should think about.

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ULTIMATE_REVENGE5364d ago (Edited 5364d ago )

Anyone who's bashing Kinect's price is just a deluded ignorant idiot, you might want to check Kinect's spec sheets before you bash it. The PS-Eye is incredibly limited and if MS do announce this then it's going to cause a whole lot of trouble for Sony and the PS-Move.

I'm a PS3 fan and not a 360 fanboy, but I'm also not an ignorant deluded blind fanboy like the Sony loyalists that run this site. The technology used in Kinect has lots of potential if it's used properly.

PirateThom5364d ago

Have you actually used Kinect?

Let me tell you straight off, you're paying a premium to pay Eye Toy games.

maxcer5364d ago

and your paying a premium to play wii games what the difference?

TheBlackSmoke5364d ago (Edited 5364d ago )

The difference is that even the most budget, pos, shovelware, liscenced BS game on wii has deeper control and gameplay than anything on kinect. If you strip away all the shovelware on wii there still is an big catalogue of highly impressive and fullfilling hardcore centric games.

What you should be really focusing on is that M$ sold you the lie that this was the next step in video games, "controller less gaming is the future", "be the controller", "almost like a new console release".

Fast forward and now we know Milo was nothing more than BS, there are no core experiences and instead we have been given an premium eyetoy in its place.

shadyiswin5363d ago

It's no different than my webcam at home using many cam, I can wave and it will recognize it, but it's not tracking movements in 3d. It can do facial recognition but limited to telling you where your eyes are. Kinect can judge you by your actual face, hair length, body width and so on. There's a reason it didn't sell, sony knew it was limited, they never even pushed it lol. Kinect is a webcam, thats the only similarities, even if kinect was an eye toy, with this support the eye toy could of been a must buy....obviously it wasn't.

N4Great5363d ago

Poor delusional fanboy shadysim (and some others), first eye toy sold very well on ps2, and now with move, you can do all kienct can do, and muche more, with accuracy, and real games !

so please, go back to your cave with vgchartz and npd "books"(only the few the good months), you are not a gamer.

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jneul5364d ago

you do realise kinect only runs at 30fps, even if it gets a controller similar to move it still will be nowhere near as good as move due to the fps it runs at, it has nothing to do with being able to track in true 3-d

gamingdroid5364d ago (Edited 5364d ago )

I've used it and had a lot of fun. Every technology has some limitation, and it is more matter of using it's strength than it's weakness.

Have you guys used Kinect? You know, especially since you are all criticizing it before release?

PirateThom5364d ago

I played Kinect for a good 20 minutes on Saturday, in a store, with a Microsoft rep.

Here's my full "hands on" with Kinect Adventure:

Finally managed to play Kinect earlier, Kinect Adventure to be precise (and I got a Gold for the level I played, before anyone says I wasn't putting effort in).

Firstly, the tracking is accurate, but definitely has noticable lag. It's not major, but it is distracting when you're trying to do certain things. It was impressed when I was moving my arms in... let's say, less than natural ways and it could keep up and the ability to go two player just by standing beside the other player and the screen spliting depending on the side you stand on is impressive.

You need a HELL of a lot of room to actually play the game properly though.

The bad news is the game was little more than, as I predicted, a gloried Eye Toy game. Move your arms, move around, jump. It has been done before.

Overall, it does sort of work with the software, but the software all seems to be too focused on mini-games and casual games. I would definitely like to see someone give a proper try at a Core title using SOLELY Kinect controls to really test the thing.

TheBlackSmoke5364d ago (Edited 5364d ago )

Interesting review.

So its as I suspected, does enough to best an eyetoy but in the end it cannot surpass even wii level's casual controls....so what's the point then?

eidit: there's just no way it could do a core title, even if it tracked perfectly how are going to implement multiple commands within split seconds of eachother when your body cant even move fast enough?

I think in terms of Hardcore games all we will see are kinect versions of hardcore franchises with gameplay stripped back to such a primitive state (on-rails shooters forever) that there is no enjoyment unless you are casual..which defeats the whole purpose.

gamingdroid5364d ago (Edited 5364d ago )

Thanks for the review.

I did experience some lag when I tried it myself. There were also perceived lag in the sprint game on Sports Champion. If you start off running fast, the avatar slowly gains speed. This isn't lag per se because of the Kinect, but rather software implementation which also suggest you can design software that has lag, but isn't perceived as lag.

However, Kinect definitely had lag. Then again I did feel lag in PS Move as well which is as good as its going to get with motion control in the foreseeable future.

The software so far of what I have seen is very similar to Wii, but functions very differently. For instance, in the sprint game in Sports Champion you can't just waggle your controller and have your avatar run. You have to physically move. In my opinion it is much more immersive than the Wii.

"The bad news is the game was little more than, as I predicted, a gloried Eye Toy game. Move your arms, move around, jump. It has been done before."

I think that is a little unfair to say, because I could say the same about any controller scheme out there today:

- Move the stick/d-pad in a few directions and push a few buttons i.e. regular controller in every game.
- Move the PS Move wand around/Wii Mote around and push a few buttons i.e. motion gaming today.
- Move your body and jump i.e. Kinect.

Note the common link, the two top are more similar than the bottom one!

N4Great5363d ago

"Then again I did feel lag in PS Move as well which is as good as its going to get with motion control in the foreseeable future. "

only in your fanboy's dream, or because of a bad tv set !

1:1 and no lag, it's a fact (and you have hundred of good reviews to prove that)

gamingdroid5363d ago

It definitely had lag, especially noticeable in Ruse.

Either you didn't try a game that had lag or your a freaken liar!

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yewles15364d ago

Have YOU checked the specs of Kinect? It's inferior in almost every single way to the PSEye.

Crapple5364d ago

Haha, are you kidding? Is this really how ignorant people are of Kinect? The device with a 3D Depth sensor and bundled full body tracking is inferior in every way to a standard RGB webcam? Let's make one thing clear -- PSEye as a RGB camera is superior to Kinect's RGB camera. Same resolution, but better framerate. But Kinect only uses it's RGB camera currently for taking pictures and video, and for overlaying your body image over the raw depth data if necessary. The PSEye as technology, is a simple side dish on Kinect. Kinects core technology is an IR projector coupled with a 3D depth sensor, and it is indisputably 100% superior to the PSEye in just about every way for tracking the human body to an accurate degree in 3D. If you disagree, you're only lying to yourself.

MorganX5364d ago

Then you and Sony have nothing to worry about.

Time_Is_On_My_Side5364d ago

Most people that I know say it's the same because of the lack of the controller, whether it's 3D, 6D, or 20D you're still limited to what you can do unless they overcome the limitations of a controller free design?

For example driving, I know they have shown this, but how do you accelerate, shift gears, look around especially the rear. If they even do find a way, it won’t be as precise or accurate as a controller with buttons on it. Some games incorporate flying like Halo Reach, how can that be represented while still maintaining communication with your online teammates by not shouting out commands?

TheBlackSmoke5364d ago

Yes kinect is better tech than eyetoy, the problem is, that it has not shown us anything the eyetoy can't already do. Even if it tracks better it will never be anywhere near as playable as even a wii so in essence it is just a better eye toy, hence the scepticism.

ULTIMATE_REVENGE5363d ago

Then that isn't Kinects fault is it? it's the developers who aren't really doing much with it. I personally think that MS have to make a controller that works with Kinect for more precise input.

Who gives a crap about their "you are the controller" slogan BS, just make a god dam kinect controller MS!

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divideby05364d ago

you knew this was coming and when the games come out and this works.... my interest is more now

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Joy Ride Turbo - The Beginning of the End for Xbox Kinect

Joy Ride Turbo launched 10 years ago today. The first title was Xbox Kinect exclusive, yet this sequel failed to support the device at all.

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10 of the Biggest Video Game Hardware Failures Ever

Cultured Vultures: "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal, and no matter how much developers might try, some gaming hardware just fails to hit the mark. We’ve compiled a list of 10 gaming hardware fails, and boy did some fail hard."

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Knightofelemia1256d ago

I would label the Power Glove, Kinect, and that Tony Hawk skateboard more as hardware addons hardware failure would be like the Virtual Boy and one day Stadia.

Magog1256d ago

Kinect was bundled with every Xbox One and inflated the price on an already underpowered and low RAM machine so for the One it wasn't an accessory as much as a white elephant.

CaptainHenry9161256d ago (Edited 1256d ago )

Definitely the RROD but that power glove had a lot of issues as well. The Kinect just didn't work

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CrimsonWing691256d ago

Hardware add-ons are more like RAM or a video card, basically components that enhance capabilities or performance of the computer.

If you really want to get technical the Kinect is more of a peripheral device, kind of like a keyboard or mouse to a computer.

ThatsGaming1256d ago

The person in this article obviously is not up on their gaming history....

Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Coleco Gemini, Commodore 128, Commodore Amiga, Atari 5200, Atari 7800 were all massive failures and in most cases cost their companies participating in future gaming generations.

Gamer791255d ago

Sega saturn (successful in Japan) and dreamcast were not failures.
Seems like you're not up on you're gaming history

septemberindecember1255d ago

@Gamer79

How in the world are the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast not seen as failures? They both sold around 8M each, which is much lower than the ~30M that the Genesis had sold before it, and even the Master System before that. They were both the worst selling consoles in their respective generation (PS1, N64 outsold Saturn, PS2, GC, and Xbox outsold Dreamcast). Both of the consoles were incredibly short lived. The Saturn was discontinued in every territory but Japan after just three years. In Japan the console was discontinued after six years. Meanwhile the Dreamcast was discontinued worldwide in 2001 after launching in most territories in 1999 and in Japan in 1998. The failure of the Saturn and Dreamcast lead to Sega pulling out of the hardware market. Which, by the way, all of this occurred when Sega was massively dropping the price of their consoles quickly to compete. Sega was hemorrhaging money at this point.

None of this indicates a successful console. Saying the Saturn was a success because it did better in Japan is like saying the Vita is a success (they both sold around the same amount of units in Japan). Even the Wii U outsold these consoles worldwide.

Magog1256d ago

The picture should be the 360 RROD. When I think of gaming hardware failures that's what springs to mind. Kinect and it's bundled price tag definitely hobbled the already underpowered Xbox One though for sure so I would give it a close second place.

porkChop1256d ago (Edited 1256d ago )

That's not what the author means by failures. It's about hardware that failed in terms of sales (Wii U) or just failed to deliver on its promise (Kinect).

Magog1256d ago (Edited 1256d ago )

Given that the 360 had a year head start, much easier hardware to develop for, was cheaper, and still ended up in third place I think it qualifies especially when you factor in the frustration and huge losses incurred by RROD.

porkChop1255d ago

Selling over 80 million consoles isn't a sales flop. We get it, you don't like Xbox, but that doesn't mean the 360 is suddenly a failure.

Rhythmattic1255d ago

Porky....
You know how many people I know bought a 2nd or third 360 due to RROD? Even when MS had to confront the issue with replacement systems, my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in, and waiting for a replacement.,,..,..
If that's how you consider it a win... OK.. but so is having 5 , of which 3 don't function.... Its a win win....mwhahahahaha

porkChop1255d ago

"my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in"

You're acting like it would take months. When I sent my 360 in I got a new one literally 5 days later. As soon as MS had tracking confirmation that you sent yours, they'd send a new one to you the same day. No one is going to spend hundreds to buy a new console instead of waiting a week. I swear you guys pull some of the dumbest shit out of nowhere and think people will actually believe it.

Regardless, none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about.

Rhythmattic1254d ago (Edited 1254d ago )

Porky
"You're acting like it would take months"
Sometimes it could.. FFS.. 'Strya here...
Best turnaround I reckon was 2-3 weeks.....
Either way, My mates experiences still exist.. So Sorry, no point trying to earn Xbox Achievements when it doesn't feature in what was a situation you never dealt with,,,,
3 of my friends would disagree (overall, 10 extra Xboxes purchased)
Regardless.. MS sold a lot of 360's that was due to this reason.. That is sales. Fact

"none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about."
Headline says HELLO !
Oh and "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal," that's enough to pass this on without taking your article bias into consideration.....
As for the rest.... Ok.. But you've actually gone out of your way to give MS a Pass... Fap on.

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Aloymetal1255d ago (Edited 1255d ago )

Yup, and because of that big fiasco MS had to fork out 1 billion but knowing them I think they're very proud of the 360, it's the only time a MS console reached 80mil+ sales, RROD played a big part of that and a record they will never break again.

Rhythmattic1255d ago (Edited 1255d ago )

So true.. Even when MS accepted they where caught out in the biggest lie of any generation, The wait for a replacement was outweighed by just buying another, and having one be returned as a backup, which, btw, generally failed on first swap.
I own honestly can't believe MS tards are just supporting , or arguing why and what MS did by just dismissing it....

lonewolf101256d ago

Lol I had the Atari Jaguar, surprised its "competition" the 3DO isn't on the list too, both as "popular" as each other.

SullysCigar1256d ago

Lol same. Played the crap out of Aliens Vs Predator and Tempest 2000 .... aaand that's about it really!!

lonewolf101256d ago

Sad but true that was pretty much it.

Kurt Russell1256d ago

Agreed, I never actually saw a 3DO make it to retailers in the UK. At least the Atari Jaguar was sold for around 6 months.

lonewolf101255d ago

It made it to some my brother got one, fared just as well as the Jaguar so most probably hard to find in general.

darthv721256d ago

3do had way better games. Jaguar not so much. Neo Geo sold less than both and yet isnt considered a failure. Go figure.

LWOGaming1256d ago

Stadia is a weird one. It hasn’t sold at all well but in terms of how it works it’s still miles ahead of Xcloud in terms of stability and performance. Xcloud is still a way behind and that needs sorting but it will be in time. Stadia for me is one of those things that will go down as a what could have been moments. With better marketing it could have been a roaring success. I still play it and it remains the best place in my opinion to play CyberPunk 2077. Only platform I have played it on without having any issues at all. The tech is great. The concept is fine. Marketing terrible. Shame really.

Magog1256d ago

The sales model was awful. They should have teamed with an existing player to allow for local and cloud access to games or a gaming subscription service.

LWOGaming1255d ago

It was a strange mess from such a huge company, as I said, as a system it works really well but without gamers it’s nothing. Such a waste,

LWOGaming1256d ago

The Xbox One was Microsoft’s Nintendo Wii U. Undercooked, undersold and just an unholy mess. The thing is with any of these failures is to learn from them and thankfully both Nintendo and Xbox did just that to the benefit of gamers everywhere.

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Pivotal Decisions in Gaming History - Xbox Goes All-In on Kinect

Xbox 360's Kinect had flopped yet Microsoft insisted on mandatory Kinect for Xbox One, driving the price up and alienating their potential customers.

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darthv721433d ago

the tech was pretty damn good but their focus on making it the centerpiece was not. Had they opted to keep it as a secondary or even tertiary device, it may have found new use for AR/VR.

PrimeVinister1432d ago

Maybe. But they were two early for VR and too late for motion control

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Godmars2901432d ago

Their focus was marketing metrics. Information gathering for targeted advertising. Also "event curating" or head counting for special TV events. If MS had had their way with always online and mandatory Kinect pre COVID, as and during it they'd likely be turning into dominant presence in many Western homes. Be getting subsidized by Disney and other streamers as well as the NFL.

Thing was, Kinect as an actual game system, its games, just weren't ready. MS moved on it too soon. Thankfully.

Atticus_finch1432d ago

Sorry but it was incredibly bad for gaming. The thing barely worked as intended and the games were broken shovelware. And let's not forget all the lies from Xbox to try and sell it. What happened to Milo?
It's like Xbox it's a perpetual lying machine.

PrimeVinister1432d ago

I had almost forgotten about Milo. It looks so unbelievable in retrospect. How did anyone believe it?!

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TheEnigma3131432d ago

Kinect requirement, TV focused, DRM, and $100 buried Xbone before it even stared.

PrimeVinister1432d ago (Edited 1432d ago )

I think Kinect was the worst of the bunch. They reversed DRM overnight and try to play down the TV stuff when they realised it made them look disinterested in gaming.

Kinect stuck around for six months, preventing sales and making more and more people upset when they dropped the Kinect and the price.

Atticus_finch1432d ago

Don't forget the inferior hardware which affects their game development to this day.
And the constant boasting and lying that hasn't change very much to this day.

kayoss1432d ago

I was kind of excited for the kinect. It had potential. That was until i tried it at one of their Microsoft store. The thing was so laggy and worker who was there, had no clue what he was doing. It kind of made rethink about buying an Xbox One with Kinect.

PrimeVinister1432d ago

I had already been turned off of the idea by Kinect for 360. Even when it worked, the games were bad and showed no potential.

Wii made you understand what they were going to do with it within about 10 seconds of Wii Sports. It went on to become a bit of a joke but at least it worked and had a purpose.

Thundercat771432d ago

The damage to the Xbox brand was so hard that til this day they are just the last place brand in the market.

PrimeVinister1432d ago

Totally. They haven't been really all that relevant since.

Godmars2901432d ago

That has to do with repeatedly failing, having to reaffirm only to again fail at creating a competent flow of decent games.

@PrimeVinister:
Until Game Pass and BC are mentioned. Only for the point to be missed.

kayoss1432d ago

thats because they dont know what they want to be. A gaming console, Television, or a gaming service?

Godmars2901432d ago

@kayoss:
They wanted, expected, to be Steam. To have everyone coming to them and paying for the privilege. That's the exact mentality on display when they tried to push always online.

brewin1432d ago

Its sad because the Xbox one version of Kinect was actually pretty solid. Not for motion games, I couldnt care less about those, but for the other features that are now commonplace in the gaming ecosystem. Things like voice control and optional motion features in games. Stuff that Sony did with the PS camera was pretty sweet and they could have done some of that stuff with Kinect.

The tech was pretty sweet when implemented right though. Who remembers the implementation in Dead Rising 3?! You could lure zombies away by saying stuff into the kinect, it was a bit hokey at first, but it actually enhanced the game significantly once you learned all the different voice commands. There was and still is nothing else like that!

The focus on TV seemed to be an issue for people, but the TV pass through had some real potential. They could have had cable companies giving the XBone out instead of cable boxes! I understood what they were trying to do, but they needed to show the games too, and thats where they lost the core gamers. Being able to jump right to a sports event or TV show with out leaving the console was actually a pretty cool thing. I spent many nights switching between NHL games or TV shows and jumping right back into my games seamlessly, just by telling Kinect to do so. It was better than people care to admit, but I loved it!

People say XBone had no games, but on launch I got Dead Rising 3, AC Black Flag, Watch Dogs, Killer Instinct, Battlefield 4, Forza 5, and Ryse. That was actually a pretty solid lineup in hindsight! Then later on it got gems like Quantum Break, Dead Rising 4, Sunset Overdrive, Gears 4 and 5, the Ori games, Rare Replay, Forza Horizon 3/4, State of Decay 2, ReCore (SUPER UNDERRATED GEM), Halo 5, Halo Wars 2, and all the great 3rd party stuff as well! I dare anyone who sat on the Xbox One to go back and give it a shot now.

It was actually a pretty great console all things considered. Yes the PS4 had better 1st party stuff, stuff that MS just couldnt top or even compete with, but there are some really great games that a lot of people missed out on that they would probably really enjoy if they actually played them. Thats why I recommend a Series S and Gamepass to a lot of people, as its a great way to get an awesome lineup pf games for super cheap!

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