'Can't Be Done On 360' - What Does It Even Mean?

NowGamer: PLAY Magazine News Editor, Jon Gordon, defines the meaning of one of the most over-used expressions in fandom...

[stonecold1]

david cage metioned also about heavy rain the 360 would struggle and nomura is making vs 13 exclusive to the ps3 because hes going further with the graphics and the 360 just cant do and 360 is nearly 5 years now and still dont have a game to top uncharted 1 and most of theres games this year have been running sub like alan wake splinter cell final fantasy but most of those games i metioned are multiplatform

[Donny]

games on the scale of uncharted 2. i have never seen a game come close to uncharted 1 on the 360, let alone uncharted 2, and the sheer size of content in the bluray disk makes epic games pretty much standard given the right developers, and we have alot of them on ps3.

[Venatus-Deus]

Where as I do believe that multiplatform games on the 360 will get better and better and will ultimately beat the current crop of PS3 games…

I also believe that the PS3 1st party graphics will also continue to improve at the same rate and will continue to beat the competition for the remained of this generation.

[Dragun619]

Technically PS3 Exclusives such as MGS4, GOW3,Uncharted 2, or Infamous 2 can't be done on Xbox 360, because the game is developed to take advantage of the PS3's Cell processor and it's Six SPE Cores which Xbox 360 doesn't have. So you can't directly port it without sacrificing qualities of the game and you would have to recode much of the game to fit a new platform.

That's why Developers complained about PS3 Development in the beginning because they didn't know how to utilize the PS3 or port from Xbox 360 to PS3 which often resulted with a Sub par PS3 Version for example The Orange Box. Now, it seems Sony's Studio's are showing what the PS3 can do if you spread the game code between its cell and six SPE cores attracting attention from other developers such as Valve which they announced Portal 2 for the PS3 will be the best console version.
You know There is some truth to the saying, "it can only be done on PS3"

[vsr]

1. MLAA cannot be done on xbox.
2. Half of the total PS3 ram runs 3.2GHz as cell. xbox ram runs poor 700Mhz.
3. HDMI 1.3 feasible for 3D gaming. it's not found on xbox
4. xbox can't run Bluray fullHD movies.
5. DTS Master HD sound is not found on 360. .... etc

NOT SURE about "Rage & Crysis XBOX VERSIONs". PC & PS3 versions are superior.

[The-Tentacle]

There has to be a limit to what consoles can do. In the article he mentions rage as a software solution to fix the limited 360 hardware issue but you have to wonder what the true expense of such software is? To me, looking at the Rage videos, it seems like they've done something to the viewing perspective kinda looks like you're viewing the world through wide angle goggles or something.

Bottom line is there have been no massive graphical leaps on 360 since gears and the PS3 continues to surprise us with eye candy and great exclusives.

[extermin8or]

@double toasted yes they do have a better draw distance but with red dead if you turn the cam,era too fast the textures aren't there for a few seconds also uncharteds graphics are better and the style of the game means it is quite hard to get views like you'd find in an open world games.

[Proxy]

Stating the clock speeds is only half the story. It's true PS3 ram is clocked at 3.2 ghz while 360 ram is clocked at 700 mhz, but the 360 has a much wider bus and thus only slightly slower in over all data transfer speed.

The numbers are often misleading. Let the games speak for themselves, and remember cutting edge technology isn't required to make a good game - with that said I return to playing Dwarf Fortress while my PS3 gathers dust.

[Ju]

"more scale than UC2"

Wake me up, when they have UC2 character models, texture resolution and animation system. The only open world game which might probably match that will be inFamous 2.

[iFLOWLIKEWATER]

u, do you know what scale means? That person was commenting about scale and you want to be awaken when other topics are involved? Nah, you continue to sleep, we don't want any worthless drivel coming from you.

[Hotel_Moscow]

nope cant be done on 360

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

heres some high lights from the posts

"In Heavenly Sword, the Cell enables incredible numbers of enemies to be on screen at one time. The trick is that Cell treats entire regiments as a single unit of artificial intelligence when they are at a distance; as they draw closer, Cell gradually divides the army into smaller and smaller groups, so they eventually become individual troops with unique fighting styles and tactics."

"It's incredible to see huge levels and see the deferred rendering and note that on all the SPU’s, even on the heaviest load were coming up to about 60%," Haynes said. "They weren't coming close to maxing out. .They had about 40% of space before they started tripping or saw slow down on some of the processes."

We’ve solved most of our memory problems by relying on the SPEs to perform compression, both at load-time and at run-time, using techniques developed by ICE, SCEA Tools&Tech and the SCEE ATG group."

"For us, the most exciting part of the PS3 has been the cell processor, the SPUs specifically. In our highest density scenes right now, we are currently using about 30 percent of the SPUs' capabilities--with the SPUs doing lots of heavy lifting for us on rendering, visibility, particle systems, skinning, animation blending, and so on...this with scores of pedestrians, cars, fires, etc., all going on. And the best part? We've not made any significant attempts to even optimize the SPU code. I think it's reasonable to guess we could put 10 times as much stuff on the SPUs and still make our frame budgets. It's really pretty amazing."

Guay also expressed how impressed he has been with Blu-ray and the PS3's hard drive, noting: "The hard drive and Blu-ray are making our life easy considering FC2 is an open world continuously streamed around the player. That streaming bandwidth and disk space is very appreciated."

"Also, Epic isn’t a huge company. They don’t have unlimited resource. We have parachuted in some of our SWAT team of super engineers to help them. Specifically, to optimize for SPUs, which are the point of difference that the Cell Processor has. That process is under way. The benefits that it yields to end developers whether they’re writing exclusive titles or multiplatform titles is that the performance on PS3 goes up exponentially, and it will make for a much better game experience."

"It is hard to fully quantify how much potential the PS3 has. We certainly have a significant amount of untapped SPU power. Even though we moved many of our systems to the SPU's for COD4, we are planning on moving more of the collision and AI to the SPU. We are also investigating doing more procedural animation on the SPU for our next project. Using the SPU for procedural animation allows for another level of interactivity that wasn't really practical on the previous generation of hardware,

This just reaffirms how vital of a role the SPU's are to the PS3. Now that devs are starting to use the cell to perform similar tasks as a GPU would. The evident power of the PS3 is unfolding right before them. This also making the RSX that much more efficient. PS3 games are now going to be setting the bar higher than ever before."

[moparful99]

When it comes to scale and draw distance nothing comes close to god of war 3, Period.

[gman_moose]

You're honestly trying to compare Bulletstorm to Killzone 3? Bulletstorm has some interesting ideas on gameplay, but at the end of the day, it looks like a mediocre FPS, which 360 and PS3 are already abundant in. My guess is Bulletstorm sells less than 1 million on PS3. It will only sell well on 360 because 360 owners buy ANYTHING because they have nothing good to play except MW2, Gears and Halo.

[D4RkNIKON]

Bulletstorm LOOKS like a 360 game. Killzone 3 LOOKS like a PS3 game. One is multiplat, one is designed to utilize the full potential of one console. That pretty much sums it up now doesn't it.

How come PS3 games are the only ones that have been recently pushing forward with graphics and scale reaching new limits? What 360 games have been raising any bars? Since the release of Killzone 2, Uncharted 2 and God of War 3, name ONE SINGLE 360 game that has come out since then that can even be mentioned in the same sentence.

[ZootALarz]

@Dragun619

I believe Valve's reasoning for Portal 2 being best on PS3 was really just Steamworks, since MS has blocked them on that -- not graphics.

[ZootALarz]

@gman_moose

>implying Killzone 3 won't be a mediocre FPS

OHGODICAN'TSTOPLAUGHING

Also, this:
>because they have nothing good to play except MW2, Gears and Halo.

The 360 has both exclusives that are fun and non-exclusives that are just as fun as their PS3 counterparts.

>my face when I realized that you guys can't stop drooling on DAT TRIPLE long enough to realize this

[ChickeyCantor]

"Technically PS3 Exclusives such as MGS4, GOW3,Uncharted 2, or Infamous 2 can't be done on Xbox 360, because the game is developed to take advantage of the PS3's Cell processor and it's Six SPE Cores which Xbox 360 doesn't have"

So what if these games were made for a tripple core system( each of these cores having HT technology)?

Im sorry but you are just talking nonsense.
Im not defending the 360...but talk like that makes me laugh.

Just depends on how dedicated the software is written for each system.

But in the end people pretend 360 games are ugly. They are just fine as is. People are spoiled like hell.

[darthv72]

the game was owned by sony and would never appear on ANY other platform not just the 360. Like seeing mario in a 360 or ps3 game would only happen if nintendo went software only like sega. Now you see sonic on everything instead of remaining true to his roots.

Performance, quality....there will always be compromises on a miltiplatform title. If the fundamental basics can be achieved then the notion of "never" sort of goes out the window. MGS4 could be done. Uncharted could be done. Even killzone could be done because all of those games are made by other companies. With the right tools and talent they could make the games work on the 360. Differences would be present but that is typical from one platform to another.

God of war...that is an example of a game that could never be done on the 360 because it is made by sony themselves.

[Dance]

uncharted 2 is corridor shooter

[N4g_null]

Ok holy Moscow where does it say on neo gaf that we can stop making sub 30 frame persecond games.

He is only organizing code and experimenting with get more done on the spu yet no where does he talk about the cost speed wise for doing such things.

Seriously you can do any thing in software yet when you don't assign a frame rate or preformance rating other than usage your or just saying your code is not totally maxed.

Any thing that can run faster and better doesn't leave 50% of it's power untapped.

I really wished some of you guys would try game development just so you can see how things work. All of this hype about spus when the hd5000 cards have hundreds of processors that actualy can handle code on their own.

Another thing is why do poeple claim that they can not do the same tricks on the tri core with hyper treading? I guess no one talks about it. It doesn't sound cool or it doesn't hype up the myth of the cell.

That's cool have your fun guys.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

I think the idea that something can't be done on the 360 is just bullshit blanket statement. Let's face it, what aspect of a game can't be done on another console?

If anything, it is just the fact that a certain design choice is not suitable for another console making it difficult. It's like retro fitting a Windows application for Linux....

Doesn't mean the same results can't be achieved, but rather porting the software design is difficult (if not impossible) to carry over. There will always be some small exceptions to this, but I doubt any of them would matter.

Any software developer knows this, gamers most likely NOT!!!

[HolyOrangeCows]

Well, the Xbox 360 is still churning out sub-HD expansion packs from second parties.

"Can be done" isn't the same as "will be done"

PS3 has. 360 has not.

I'll bet you're the same people that said "LOL PSTREE HAZ POTENTIALZ SO WAHT?" and now you talk about potential like having potential means that it happens with the flick of a wrist.

[PLAYstar]

@Proxy
Yea, only PS3 exclusive games gets to talk!
Leaving your PS3 piling dust? You sounded like you are one f*cking poor broke-ass beggar who is waiting for the day you could ripped PS3 games, like the one you're currently playing.. dwarf fortress.. You want Tetris? Come dig my garbage bin its free. I'll also bonus you with a banana skin..

@sidar
Nobody said 360 games look ugly. Just that when you compare them to the masterpiece of PS3 exclusives.. That's when they look ugly. Yea we are spoil brat, which is why we opt for THE BEST!

Saying that a day the 360 games would look exact of a PS3 games is like saying leaving a dog sh!t there for 1min would turn into a gold. It's IMPOSSIBLE!

[ssipmraw]

Marcus Fenix polycount of 15-20000
Nathan Drake polycount of 80000

ps3 wins

edit: most movies use less polygons than uncharted 2.... quite shocking

[jetlian]

shrek 1 used 800,000 and fight night round 3 had 3 million on each character

[bomboclaat_gamer]

this is what gaming has come to

counting polygons and who wins
sad

[stb]

True, tired of numbers there for xbox and polygons here for ps3, but keep the entertainment guys, pretty neat.

Great, ps3 has more power, xbox sold more, end of the story.

[rwarner174]

"this is what gaming has come to

counting polygons and who wins
sad"

Since I did my thesis on developing graphics hardware on FPGAs I can say counting polygons and coming up with ways to increase the number of polygons on a screen at one time can be quite fun.

I am sorry you have no interest in the time and effort that goes into creating a realistic gaming experience. Especailly from the hardware side.

That to me is what is sad.

[ZootALarz]

>mon visage when polygon counts are used to gauge the quality of games and consoles

[SonyPS360]

Googling polygon counts. Do you feel cleverer having done that now?

You know it takes more than polygon count to make a game look good, right?

If you had any idea about game design you'd know this, so quit pretending like you do.

"It can't be done on the 360" is just another fanboy term. The same can be said for the Ps3 with some 360 games, particularly upcoming ones.

Of course though, all that matters on N4G is which has the more persistent fanboys. Which is the Ps3, so I'll be showered with disagrees no doubt.

[AK46]

Polygons do make the game look better but it won't make the game play better. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, duh!

What ever can be done on the 360 can be done on the PS3, only a fool will say otherwise.

You'll be showered disagrees because you have no idea of what your talking about.

[DaTruth]

""It can't be done on the 360" is just another fanboy term. The same can be said for the Ps3 with some 360 games, particularly upcoming ones."

It's always upcoming games, until the upcoming games become current games and suddenly it's 540p, bad textures, 5 hour gameplay and PS3 fanboys are the worst for rubbing it in!

[HolyOrangeCows]

"this is what gaming has come to
counting polygons and who wins
sad"

You're in the comments section of an article about abilities of game consoles.
Sorry for discussing game console ability in an article about game console ability.

You know what, Napoleon? If you don't like it, YOU CAN LEAVE!
You kids come in here complaining about the subject matter like you were dragged into clicking this article by wild horses!

[Venatus-Deus]

Double post

[NastyLeftHook]

said it well there dude. bubs for you

[vsr]

PC > PS3 (oneBD) > xbox (3-4 DVD)

[SonyPS360]

I base this on absolutely nothing.

[kevnb]

clever marketing, nothing else.

[Sez]

Agreed. But fanboys hang on every word Sony/MS feeds them. Sad really

Edit: maybe these dev's or PR reps should say something more believeable like. " it can only be done on one disk for ps3" that would be more true then this marketing BS.

[moparful99]

There's alot of truth in this statement. While the GPU on the 360 by itself is superior due to its main die and daughter die setup with up to 6xAA built in the ps3 can utilize one of the 6 SPE's on the cell to handle graphics processing. This is the key, the cell processor has a trick hidden up its sleeve that allows it to surpass the 360. It's ability to allocate processes to each individual core means that when a developer takes the time fully utilize the cores the amount of computation on the ps3 is 8x that of the 360. But because of the nature of multiplatform development most third party developers just use the single core on the ps3 which results in lower performance on the ps3. But one only needs to look at the first party exclusives to see exactly what the ps3 is capable of only 4 years into to it's life.. Imagine what kind of games we will have 4 years from now..

[DORMIN]

Borderline ignorance for those saying otherwise and think both hardware are at the same playing level.

Both have their advantages and disadvantages but its clear the PS3 is the more advanced console. It paid its price with the steep launch price and later release date, but its evening out.

MLAA and BluRay alone is something that obviously 'can't be done on the 360' aside from the multitude of things. For those who still don't know what MLAA is even so many people are mentioning it, its a technique thats only usually done on high end PCs yet 4 years into the PS3s life developers managed to use this powerful technique on the PS3.

EDIT: @moparful: Beat me to it. ;)
Its not necessarily ONLY first party developers. The Sabotuer was actually the first game to RELEASE with the Cell's unique MLAA technique, technically even before GoW3 actually.

[N4g_null]

Mopar that trick you talking about comes with a few penalties. First the spu bandwidth gets saturated when trying to share data and since the on board memory is so small you have to guess what keep copying data over and over and some times you even have to wait for a cell to finish what it's doing to get that code or data.

It's all great and actualy works better on pc gpu out now yet your stuck struggling to get more than30 frames.

I mean really you can get a ti calculator to run cool code also yet at what cost.

We are seeing the cost in Sony exclusives sure the art may be good but I hate to say the hardware really holding back these teams and this is also true for the xbox.

Yet a ps3 with a better memory sub system would be a system I would be excited about because we can play at over 60 frames a sec.

Seriously guys get a cell emulator and play with it. Get you comp sic professor to get Sony to lend them a ps3 dev kit and you can see it for your self.

I'll leave you guys with this even intel had to abandon a software driven model of gpucpu hybrid because nothing replaces dedicated hardware with a really fast memory subsystem. Also Rambos ram was first used by the n64 and old pentium chips nintendo upgramed to SRAM which is also in the 360. Look this stuff up guys. Have a better debate and who knows you might meet some smart guys and start up your own thing?

Back in the day gamers made our games now copy cats do. Know the pros and cons.

[WeaseL]

They are strugling to keep up with the PS3.
This is why MS are now focusing on the casual Wii market.
You won't here Nintendo saying "Can't Be Done On 360".

[Spenok]

Lol, well said.

[raztad]

Article is putting to much faith in unreleased games, as usual.

Crysis 2 has not been running on top of a xbox360 yet but on a PC with "xbox360 settings". You dont know how the actual game will actually look once it gets to run on the real hardware.

Rage is a plain game with nothing going on for it, besides some nice textures. Still the game is in development and you dont know what can be scaled back.

My impression is the PS3 is much more capable in terms of physics calculation, particle effects, post-processing and a lot of more things that involve using the Cell. While the xbox is really good pushing textures at screen.

AW, for example, in order to use post-processing and lightning had to to scale back the resolution to almost SD levels. While KZ2 does that, and much more, w/o breaking a sweat.

[MNicholas]

The PS3's GPU's raw shading capability is sufficient to run Gears of War and Bioshock at maximum settings at better than 720P.

The cell processor does more than just help with basic rendering. It also does shadow map acceleration, anti-aliasing (up to 16x) and post-processing (such as depth of field), which are the biggest drags on any GPUs performance.

This effectively doubles the GPU's shading capability. In some cases, the "boost" provided to the GPU appears to be even greater than double.

That's why games like Uncharted 2, God of War 3, Killzone 2, and GT5 are visibly far superior to other games on any console while also being extremely dynamic.

Add to that the massive capacity of Blu-Ray, the upgradeable HDMI spec (already far superior to the 360s), 7.1 audio, etc. and it becomes obvious that when it comes to raw performance, there's no comparison.

This doesn't mean that the 360 can't do good games with good graphics and there'll always be unoptimized (particularly on the PS3 with it's extremely complex architecture) or even ugly games on any platform. It just means that the best on the PS3 will be vastly better than the best on the 360. And so it is.

[raztad]

OK. I like your post bro. Have a bubble on me.

A question: Do you think eventually if devels can offload everything possible on the SPUs, games with KZ3 - level fidelity can reach 1920x1080 at 60fps?

Games like Wipeout HD, SSHD run flawless on 1920x1080 @60fps but they are not the best looking games on the PS3 by any means.

[gravesg]

1080P games with KZ3 fidelity aren't possible due to the lack of memory, video and ram.

the cpu horse power is there, its just that 1080P textures take 1.5x more memory. and inside the ps3 512 total, just isn't enough for complicated games to do 1080P. as for the cpu though, hell when they were demoing the "cell" back in 2006, i think they did something like 16 1080P streams on it.
it really is an incredible cpu, i can't fathom what ibm and sony has up their sleeve for ps4

i have no doubt that when ps4 arrives, 1080p will be the standard.

[Trroy]

@raztad: Nope. True 1080p, for games with the complex shader ops of shooters like KZ3, will have to wait for next-gen. When it comes down to it, the GPU has to do the shader work and fill the screen buffers, and the SPUs can't really help there.

The memory concerns gravesg mentions are also an issue.

Just means there's room for PS4 someday. =)

[N4g_null]

You do know most of what you said is done on the rsx right? The spu simply polute the framebuffer to produce after effect effects and then call is differed rendering. That same idea is built into the xbox frame buffer.

Yet with all that help and intakes power we still don't have an engine that can run most gameplay at over 30 frames a sec?

You know then we have the resolution issues also.

Sony knows it's fan well though. That's good. I never though gamers would put up with such low frame rates and game play.

The creation of I'd tech 6 and the new crytek engine will push every one harder and be more of an asset to gamings 3rd parties that need more horse power with out sacrifice.

[Inside_out]

The reason they say it can't be done is because the PS3 exclusives live in a pre-rendered world. The games in there current state would not fit on a DVD. In terms of graphics and game play the PS3 exclusives fall short of the 360. The AI, graphics and physics on 360 can't be duplicated on the cell because as Steve Jobs said, " the Cell is to slow " and is why there are no cells on the Mac product line and why Sony is dumping the Cell next gen. PS3 fans in denial. This gen is coming to and end, so is the cell.

PS3 exclusives are 75% pre-rendered...UC2 you can't open a door without a cut scene...GOW, HR, MGS...C'mon now...you spend more time watching than playing. I got a question...where's all the 1080p, 60fps, 50hr game time, 100's off intelligent AI Sony promised 5 years ago...exactly.

This video here shows why...I would love to see ND or Guerrilla duplicate this demo with there game engines...it couldn't be done. Only on 360. The cell is good for pre-rendered movies and using the GPU to study stars going in circles...lol, that's about it..so far anyways.

BTW...Valve's Gabe Newell was right..." by the time you get a decent engine running on the PS3, this gen will be over "...yes Gabe, words of wisdom, even if you are trying to get all those PS3 guys to join Steam...lol

[stuna1]

And it's name is, "cez of rage"! The sad thing is you actually believe that garbage you spout. I guess Alice has made another friend in wonderland, lol.
OT: Optimisation is the key to unlocking the potential of each console, but also the architectures are vastly different, meaning in order to utilise what a console can do you also need an engine that is able to showcase those potentials! Sonys first party developers have ground built engines, Microsoft developers for the most part rely on mostly 3rd party engines or, middleware that closely mimic the pc architecture.

[IRetrouk]

lmao at you and gears, uncharted 2 is the best game on consoles to date and gears 3 still dont look anywhere near it. theres nothing wrong with the ps3 being more powerfull than 360 dosnt mean im gona have less fun on my 360, grow up and get out of your mums basement.

[tinybigman]

i can see why you have only 1 bubble. are you a fellow american? because only my fellow americans would act in such a manner to defend an american product made in china.

on topic
isn't it impossible for PS3 games using the SPEs to run on a 360 because they don't have SPEs? i don't see why this is such a big deal.

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

"I would love to see ND or Guerrilla duplicate this demo with there game engines..."

Naughy Dog owned that demo with Uncarted 1.

Uncharted 1 - Gameplay Explosion
http://farm4.static.flickr....

Gears of War 2 - Gameplay Explosion
http://farm4.static.flickr....

Uncharted 1 - Polygon and Texture from Gameplay
http://farm4.static.flickr....

Gears of War 2 - Polygon and Texture from Gameplay
http://farm4.static.flickr....

"Steve Jobs said, 'the Cell is to slow'"

Steve Job's words got owned by the amazing graphics of the PS3. Which should I trust, the amazing graphics I can see and play it myself or the words of Steve Job?

"The cell is good for pre-rendered movies..."

The Cell is so good, and the graphics of the PS3 is so incredible that you can not tell the difference anymore, and you thought Uncharted 2 is pre-rendered.

The only thing pre-rendered about the PS3 is Microsoft's E3 presentation.

[athlon770]

You are such a tool!

You can't come up with anything better than trying to downplay and spread dis-information.

Apple did not switch because their new OS at the time "Snow Leopard" is not PowerPC compatible.

http://www.9to5mac.com/Appl...

PS3 exclusives are not pre-rendered, in fact, opposite of what you would state, almost all of the cut scenes on the PS3 are done in real time proven by the character you play has whatever clothing you have chosen to wear in game. Why as a matter of fact, the one game you would think was "pre-rendered", MGS4, allows you to control your character during its cut scenes.

The sad truth of it is you are so bent on slinging mud that you are missing out on some truely spetacular games. Having both the PS3 and the 360, I know from first hand experiance what the phrase "only on a PS3" means. Shame you are so deep in the mud you can't join the rest of us gamers.

You are the sort that give even the 360 owners a bad rap!

[Independent_Charles]

im not gonna comment for my bubbles sakes

[tinybigman]

i can see that this hasn't gone down well with some people

[SaberEdge]

It's true there are certain things that can be done on the PS3 that can't be done exactly the same way on the 360, but there are also things that can be done on the 360 that can't be done exactly the same way on the PS3. This is because both consoles have their strengths and weaknesses.

I do wish Microsoft would invest in more first party development so that we could see more games that really push the 360.

[BattleAxe]

When I play Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, the fan on my PS3 goes crazy fast at times......now if it were on the 360, it would probably Red Ring after about an hour of playing that game.

[Mozef]

LOL

[ImmortalLegend]

I love how PS3 fanboys go on and on about how graphically superior their games are. As former owner of both systems, the PS3 graphics are not that much better as to where I'm like, "Wow the 360 graphics are just horrible...I'm never going to play it again." That's what PS3 fanboys makes it out to be. Sorry guys, I'm still enjoying my "less superior" console.

[heroprotagonist]

That's right. There is hardly any difference at all between the two. I'm completely baffled by people who act like there is some major difference.

[Heisenberg]

Cutting edge tech that generation. This gen, my opinion is that the games coming out for the PS3 are far superior in scale and graphics, and luckily, most of the developers utilizing this tech are producing games with great stories and production value as well. When I look at the best of both systems, the PS3 has far better to offer, that doesn't make me a fanboy, if MS' next system blows Sony out of the water, I'll jump ship no problem, I go for the best bang for my buck every gen.... This gen the most bang lies with the P S 3, IMO. But since I disagree with you I'm automatically a fanboy right?

[ImmortalLegend]

If you offer a sensible argument like that then there's no problem. Most PS3 fanboys just act like the 360 has Wii graphics or some shit like that when the difference is nothing major IMHO. I've owned both consoles and have played all the highly proclaimed games and actually have a right to come up to this conclusion. Most fanboys just pull shit out of their ass to justify their console of choice. But hey, since you're getting defensive maybe you are one otherwise you wouldn't have to end your statement that way.

[Heisenberg]

Well, come on dude, you talk as if anyone who's of the opinion that the PS3 is a superior electronic is grouped in with these fanboys, that's my point. It gets annoying when nobody can have opposing opinions without being accused of being a fanboy. I wasn't being defensive, just a healthy hint or sarcasm to send the point home.

Bottom line, you weren't addressing anyone specifically, just people who feel the PS3 is superior etc.. It's just a little irritating cause everyone calls everyone on the other side of the fence a fanboy, when in reality, we're just gamers with different tastes, the real fanboys aren't the one's who feel the 360 or the PS3 is superior, they're the douche bag trolls like GRoL and Cold who live to annoy.

Anyway, you maybe shouldn't throw the word around so much, like your last statement, where you basically say: well maybe you ARE a fanboy, cause I didn't like your last comment... Things like that are childish, I'm not a fanboy, I'm a 24 year old man, who puts very little importance in video games, I love playin them, but they're nothing to get upset about.

[WLPowell]

After Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, and God of War 3 was released and seeing GT5, I do laugh a bit whens someone raves about how the graphics on most multiplats or 360 exclusives look like it's something never before seen. Yeah it looks good, but Mario Galaxy 2 looks good too... Just sayin.

[Heisenberg]

It means there's a discrepancy in regards to space and processing power. This message will self destruct....

[avengers1978]

To be honest games like Mass Effect 2, Gears 3, and Even Halo:Reach look pretty good so IMO 360 has what it needs to get the job done. That being said God of War 3, Killzone2 not to mention KZ3, uncharted one and two are far beyond the what the 360 has been able to do. Plus Blu-ray disc give developers pretty much unlimited potential...that's why we're starting to see two or more games coming out on one Blu-ray. New Medal of Honor plus frontline, for the same price as the 360 disc that will just have the new game.

[edgeofblade]

You know the sad thing? One of these days, you will have an opportunity to sell a PS3 to a 360 fanboy... but you're going to lose them cause your just too goddamn smug about it, deserved or not.

It won't matter that the Cell has 7 parallel processing units, or that Blu-ray has 50 gigs of space, or that PSN is free. All that will matter is that for all your rattling off numbers, trademarks, and lists of exclusive games, you are still annoying as fuck.

It won't be about buying the PS3 based on it's merits. It will be about NOT buying into you.

[WLPowell]

Your pic hitting a little close to home there edge?

[Omega4]

Absolutley nothing. Kojima said MGS4 couldn't be done on the 360 yet MGS:R graphics surpass it and Rage and Crysis 2 surpass anything currently out and they are multiplat. In a year or two of anyone saying that they always look foolish.

It's best that PS devs just keep quiet, for their sake.

@FangBlade
You would say that since you love your PS3 to death. But tell me a game only on PS3 that is open world, runs at 60fps and looks like Rage? Cause i bet you can't. And Crysis 2 looks miles better than K3, I mean for one it has colour, that alone makes it more impressive lol.

Cell shaded eh? Thats how you gonna spin it eh? Its called art style. What bout Uncharted then? It could only get those graphics by looking like a cartoon :)

[FangBlade]

But RAGE looks like another Borderlands and Killzone 3 looks way better than Crysis 2.
Besides, Uncharted 2 looks better than all 3 of them.
I think that only Uncharted 3 can surpass Uncharted 2.

@Omega4
From the videos I've seen, RAGE is not an open world game. (pretty linear actually)
And 60fps is not that hard to achive when your game looks like it's cell-shaded.

[Unbiased1]

since when it was assumed that 360 is as pwerful as ps3?
PS3 = faster proccesor, blue ray = enought to make it "only possible on PS3" a fact.

[MNicholas]

Rage does appear to be partially cell-shaded. Additionally, nearly all the lighting and shadows you see on-screen is baked into textures. Even things like ceiling pipes are often just painted textures. The high-res bull-shots give away the lack of geometry and detail.

Between the shader operated texturing system and the decision to go with 60fps, the end result is that available shader processing time per frame is less than half of what's available to 30fps games like Gears or Uncharted.

[pixelsword]

McDonalds hamburger= Billions served

porterhouse Steak = hundreds of millions served

filet mignon = likely less than two to five million served

since when did more sold ever meant "quality" or "better than what sold less"?

At any rate, like I tell everyone who wants to say this or that about any console being more powerful than what, or if a PC game is better than a console game is this:

Prove it.

Youtube has been out for years, so it shouldn't be hard to prove, even if you don't own a $5000 computer or a PS3, or a 360. The proof is in the pudding.

[BlackBusterCritic]

MGS4 was COMPRESSED on a 50 gig disc. If you take that and put it on standard DVD9, how many discs are you talking about? Lets not forget that each disc for Xbox360 games is around 6 gigs, while the other 2 gigs is used for Microsoft's security protocols that dont work. So MGS4 on Xbox360 would be around 8 discs. So yeah, it is indeed IMPOSSIBLE for Metal Gear Solid 4 to work on Xbox360.

[halojunkie]

a ask you gamer to gamer, have you ever seen a ps3 game? i mean surley you have seen heavy rain, uncharted 2, gow3. if you have a good monitor and connection go to youtube and look up killzone 2, and search for visari palace, i honestly think if you bought a ps3 dude you would be so much happier, im teling you this because ive seen rage on consoles and cysis and they do not look as good graphically as killzone 2, let alone 3.

[ssipmraw]

op is probably unaware that they created a seperate engine to the one used in mgs4. not to mention that they would have added more features on top of that since 4, cos you know we like our visuals to look better than before -_-"

[TEFL0N_D0N_81]

Most of that was audio. You try to talk like an expert, but quack like an idiot. I have, and played MGS4. Graphics are great. Probably takes a few discs on 360. Considering how linear the game is, I don't mind swapping discs. When FFVII came out on Playstation, that was multiple discs but I didn't ear complaints.

Look at Infamous. The size is 3.3 Gigs. The game's gorgeous. What's your f*cking point? I've played games on multiple discs for a long ass time, on Playstation, PC, etc. The one thing about MGS4 that pissed me off is the ridiculous load times. I've seen that boring loading screen of Snake smoking a long ass cigg a million times. Blu-ray or not, if multiple discs reduced the loading times, I would have preferred MGS4 that way.

You rookies think graphics and resolution is everything. No consideration on gameplay, design and artwork.

I think RDR, Prince of Persia (reboot), Gears 2, Uncharted 2 & GOW3 show the best visual standards right now. Excuse me if I left out a game or two.

[Convas]

I wish there was some way for me to shake you hand. You show some of the intelligence that is so rare on this website. Sadly of course, the majority of bosom buddies on this site will disagree with what you said, but your point WILL be understood by those who aren't wearing their fanboy glasses.

Have a Bubble and Agree on me.

[jjesso1993]

lol do you belive what you say or do you just get kicks out speaking crap. rage looks good but is no where near quality of any ps3 exlcusive the same with crysis dont touch uc1 or uc2 or killzone 2 or killzone 3 pre alpha footage.

360 hardware cant touch ps3 thats a fact ps3 is more powerfull has hdd for install if needed has blu ray for 25-50gb of data the 360 cant use its hdd for advantages in games and has less disc space than the ps2-xbox 1. th day and xbox 360 game looks better than uc1 is the day i become billionair and thats never going happen.

[SaberEdge]

"rage looks good but is no where near quality of any ps3 exlcusive"

Come on, man, I love my PS3, but what you said sounds plain loony. Any PS3 exclusive? Are you really claiming that Rage doesn't look better than games like Warhawk, Infamous, Twisted Metal, MAG or Resistance?

I'd say Rage clearly looks a lot better than any of those games.

[Venatus-Deus]

Can we please just wait unless these games are finished before we hype them up to be graphical monsters.

Alan Wake was in some ways ruined by hype, the same hype that you contributed to.

FFS you have only seen a very small part of RAGE hand choosen by the developers.

[BlackBusterCritic]

Dont even bother trying to convince him. I've seen 360fanboys claim that MAX PAYNE 3, Alien vs Predator, and Gears of War 2 LOOK BETTER THAN UNCHARTED 2. They're getting desperate for something graphically impressive.

[kevnb]

its a stupid argument, all those games just look like console games. You can tell a ps3 fanboy when they start talking about the cell lol. Its all about the gpu, and on the ps3 thats a gtx 7900, fact.

[nickjkl]

poor kev and his outdated way of thinking

[kevnb]

atleast I am thinking, much better than just going by what sonyor microsoft tells you.

[Redempteur]

big troll let me explain to you ...

the reason MGS4 and many other can't be done on 360 is because they use a lot of space on the blu ray first ... look at ff13 it's 34 gb on ps3 and to go on 360 they had to compress it a lot and they needed 3 discs

Second most of these games ( uncharted , infamous ) have engine that work Way different than the PC Many effects and graphic librairy for examples are in places completly différent if that were a Simple PC game

Now that i increased your small knowledge a little big , you can go back and try to troll with one bubble

[n4gno]

"Bububbububu waiiit for alan wake, uncharted killer.."

you'll never learn (by the way, crysis on consoles can't even compete with kz2)

it's funny (again), to see worst trollliars like hacker, omega, cryint "waiiiiit for...game that don't exist for now" to prove that xbox can compete with ps3 (wich everyone knows it's impossible, since uncharted 1)

[JayD-1K]

x game will save the PS3! now it's, x game will prove the 360 has graphic power!

[CrAnKiTuP_01]

And don't see the big deal. Not much going on on-screen from what I've seen compared to the chaos and hundreds of things going on in games I'm used to like Killzone 2 and God of War 3. Uncharted 2 made my jaw drop and my eyes melt. When I saw Rage, I thought "...... Cool he killed a zombie... another... another... great animations my ass!... *yawn* shot more zombies... Man this shit is boring!!" *gets off*

[kevnb]

all those games you mentioned have barely anything going on, killzone 2 cant even keep a good framerate. As a pc gamer these arguments are just laughable, the games on 360 vs ps3 are almost the same with the ps3 games usually having slightly better art style and animation.

[nickjkl]

the only time i lost frame rate with killzone 2 is when i was causing massive explosions more so than the last level where the enemy started missle whoring

and in multiplayer on a small map where people start grenade missle whoring

[Ju]

"all those games you mentioned have barely anything going on"

Oh, someone hasn't played KZ2. Man, they have so much particle smoke and debris going at times, that you have to make it a strategy to work around this because you will be simply blind - and dead in a second if you don't. I have never seen a game like this.

And then compare this with Rage, when you shoot at a wall or pillar. No effect at all. Nothing. Nilch, nada.

[Mr_Bun]

This is EXACTLY why people like Omega can't be taken seriously. He knows that games like Uncharted/KZ can't be matched on the 360 so he lists 2 games that aren't even available to the public yet.

[Nicaragua]

The funny thing is though is how he cycles onto the next 2 games once his current choices actually get released and dont turn out that great.

"YES, YES! METRO 2033 IS THE KILLZONE KILLER !!! OMG man this game is gonna rock so hard...oh...ok"

"YES, YES! ALAN WAKE IS GONNA PISS ON UNCHARTED2 SO HARD....oh....ok"

"RAGE AND CRYSIS ALL THE WAY BABY !!!"

[kneon]

Unfortunately as each game fails to impress there is always another on the horizon

"Just wait until you see Kinectimals" :^)

[extermin8or]

actually kojima said the octocamo could not be done on the 360 not the graphics, the reason being that they had several spu's dedicated to the camo alone, mgs:r has no octocamo does it? it also doesn't have long cutscenes ect and on the ps3 it was around 50 gb one of the only games to use a dual layer blu-ray disc...

[Pennywise]

Can someone ban this guy already? I don't think Omega has EVER said one honest thing. Everything he has ever typed has been aimed to get people mad and stir reactions. After 4+ years of this garbage he is still allowed to roam this site and post his nonsense. There have been plenty of users who have done the same thing that are long banned and gone by now... How is it Omega4 gets a free pass?

I know he would just make another account, I am just tired of seeing the same name saying the same BS. It gets Reeaaallly old.

[Denethor_II]

You forgot sound quality. BD holds linear PCM HD sound.

[MNicholas]

Reality sucks for fanboys.

360 fanboys, in particular, are the worst. They keep looking to the future to provide a game that can "prove" that the 360 can compete graphically when time and again they've got their hopes up only to be badly let down.

It's no longer Microsoft's fault for misleading you folks about the 360's capabilties and value proposition.

It's like the old saying,

"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."

[pixelsword]

That's the problem, MNicholas:

It's not Microsoft or Sony or Nintendo fooling anyone, it's fanboys fooling themselves.

[DaTruth]

Remember the, "Oh, when teh MS dev tools Black engine releases, we will see". What ever happened to that. Probably been adapted to make crappy casual Kinect games!

[Karooo]

You are the worst poster i have seen here.

[milohighclub]

i dont know about rage but the lead development platform for crysis is the ps3 and even crytek have said their getting more power out of the ps3 dont dis uncharted its amazing,has more going for it than all those linear 360 games out there, except mass effect... but uncharted is still a better game.

[N4BmpS]

Wow I literally see people taking sides, this is like....I don't know a flamewar? Could it be?

[tinybigman]

see why you have 1 bubble too dude. MGS:R graphics will also be on the PS3 too since Kojima's team has experience on the PS3 (amazing right). also for 360 fans taking pride in 3rd party developers maxing system is pretty sad imo.

you would think their 1st developers would be able to do it also, but they don't have many of those. also when games run at 60fps they don't have max graphics so maybe Id found some tricks to make it look really good. remember it also is on the PS3.

wake me when one of M$ 1st party studios make game engines that rival Uncharted, Killzone, Heavy Rain, new Infamous, R&C, GoW3.

[Jazz4108]

Oh my god Omega u r so right. Uncharted looks like a cartoon which is exactly what I saw too. Ps3 is slow as hell. Most devs complain about the franerate and how the 360 does it much better and then the damn ps3 is slow slow slow at everything. Load this install that. If I wanted that bs I would be a pc gamer. I bought a ps3 and 360 to game and so far all I can say and see is the ps3 has no game.

[PLAYWATCH]

Is this your attempt at sarcasm??
Hope you're not agreeing with that blind fanboy Omega who spits out more Doodle than my ass.

[WLPowell]

we will see if Rising has the same amount of content as MGS4 (reading my crystal ball I'm telling you already it won't. It won't have MGO on the same disk (that's if it even comes with MGO), It won't have the same amount of dialogue, It won't have the same amount of cutscenes, the levels' maps will be smaller, it won't have all the crap you could collect from the game: Octocamo skins, masks, weapons, ipod songs, etc. But hey Rising will be bluer and have better textures. So drink to petty victories) MGS4 was a testament to the benefit of Blu-Ray and all the crap you can through into an HD game.

@ MorganX: PS3 has it's Halo 3 it's called Resistance 2, PS3 has it's Crackdown it's called Infamous. Both look better than there 360 offerings, and do somethings better and don't do somethings better.

[Quagmire]

I suppose games like uncharted and god of war cold be done in a 360, if they scaled back alot of things, placed it on multiple discs, and specifcially engineered for-

ahh, wat the hell am i saying. It just cant.

[MorganX]

They wouldn't have to scale anything back for GOW III. I have it and was underwhelmed. Uncharted 2 is another story. It's hard to say if 360 could easily do it. I'm pretty sure it can, UC2 wasn't didn't raise the bar "that" high technically. XBOX core just like different games. The games they like wouldn't perform well with UC2 quality graphics and animation. Too much going on on screen at one time.

Could either console handle Halo or Crackdown with UC2 quality graphics? Won't know until someone does it.

[silvacrest]

i disagree with the GOW3 comment, unless your a dev you dont no what went into GOW3 to make it look that good and to have a game on that scale, just because you didn't like it does not mean it doesn't fall into the "uncharted 2 level"

"Could either console handle Halo or Crackdown with UC2 quality graphics? Won't know until someone does it"

i think bungie attempted this with reach and although it looks better then halo 3 it does not compare to uncharted 2

crackdown 2 looks worse then crackdown in my opinion so i doubt thats gonna change much with the third game if its ever made

[MorganX]

Don't have to know what went into it to know what came out. I was more impressed with Heavenly Sword. The scale, overrated. Make one big polygon and shrink the primary and you have scale. I'm not impressed.

And GOW III just doesn't look "that" good. It's a good HD button masher. Nothing spectacular. That's my opinion. I accept that you believe it is the "best graphics ever in a console game." I just disagree with that. Hell, I find Wipeout HD more impressive.

Edit: You cannot really compare a shooter with large numbers of persistent polygons with an action RPG with a limited number of moving polygons on the screen at any given time. Uncharted 2 is more comparable to a Splinter Cell Conviction. Uncharted 2 is definitely the best in its class.

[silvacrest]

"best graphics ever in a console game."

lol, when did i say this? please dont inset your words into my mouth, i accept that you were not that impressed, please aacept that i was

heavenly sword is a good game but it does not compare in terms of graphics, dont you think thats why it can afford to have as many things going on as it does?

i never really liked wipeout that much so i cant comment but what ever you mean by "impressed" needs further clarification

i get why you would compare splinter cell and uncharted but in reality you probably shouldn't, i finished splinter cell 2 days ago and there is just less going on on the screen and of course, the graphics dont compare

[raztad]

"And GOW III just doesn't look "that" good."

What does that mean?

So you trying to say you werent impressed by GoW3 opening level, fighting again Poseidon on top of Gaia? because just yesterday I replayed that section and my jaw dropped again. CGI quality with massive scale + incredible particle effects everywhere.

[jneul]

oh you are so funny x360 struggles(YOU HAVE TO DROP RESOLUTION TO BELOW 720P TO ACHIEVE IT!!) to do 4xAA never mind MLAA which is the equivalent to 16xAA, come back to the forums when you are better educated the cell is different to pc architecture and is not as reliant on gpu/memory as the x360 is as the cell can perform graphical tasks such as pre-processing, by using the SPU's
It sucks when even a girl knows more about computing than you

[moparful99]

Speaking of halo reach. Wasn't it bungie that proclaimed "We are capable of killzone 2 graphics with halo reach."? Now that we have seen the game in action, while markedly improved over halo 3's cartoonish visuals, it is nowhere near the level of killzone 2..

[MorganX]

My bad. You did not say "best graphics ever." UC2 GOW threads running together in my head.

Heavenly sword definitely had framerate problems but I thought it looked better overall and would love to see it remade now that devs know how to take better advantage of the SPUs. I thought the voice acting and pacing/direction were in a league of their own, Uncharted 2 is in the same ballpark, and it set the standard for breaking the repetitiveness of button mashers with substantive and fun diversions. Just talking about it, I'm going to buy it again (sold it a while back with my fat PS3), used of course.

@raztad
I mean they don't look good enough to me to make me question if another console could do them. UC2 maybe, but GOW, I'm not seein' it.

Impressed by the creativity yes, but technically, not so much. I think what most people found so impressive (the scale?) was just moving cut scenes to me.

Not saying it isn't a good or fun game, not even saying there is a comparable counterpart on the Xbox platform, there is not. Just saying I don't think it comes close to raising the bar in its genre the way UC2 does. Of course, I don't hide the fact that I think Heavenly Sword is the standard bearer in all phases in that genre. It's a shame what happened to it.

[Biggest]

How about this one then. . .
Has any other console produced a game that looks as good as God of War 3? Is there a character model on consoles that looks as impressive as Kratos? Is there any game on consoles with the scale of battle on top of a moving object? If you can answer yes to any of those questions and give an example, you might be on to something, MorganX. Otherwise. . . Give it a rest. You promise things before you provide the service. Not 5 years later when we already see what you're providing.

[MorganX]

I've already answered all of those, you just don't agree with it which is fine, except:

" Is there any game on consoles with the scale of battle on top of a moving object?"

No, but I don't find that to be all that impressive, definitely not something that would make me say, this can't be done on another console. Can't be, and hasn't been, are two different things. And that is the topic of this thread.

[Biggest]

You haven't answered anything. The developers of games for the 360 and Wii haven't answered either. There are people who live in theory. Sometimes they apply their theory and it becomes reality. There are others who live in reality. It's always real. This is a perfect example of this topic. The theory that some have is that the PS3 exclusives are possible on other consoles. But the very real reality is that they are not.

[Ju]

They would also run on the Wii when cut back. And the PS2 or XBox. And for sure on the GameCube.

[Jazz4108]

That's so funny about uncharted not comparing to halo. Yes your right Halo goes for a more real to life look while uncharted is a fricking cartoon. No crap sherlock.

[darren_poolies]

Just my opinion but I believe it means it cannot be done on the 360, possibly?

[Nike]

It means it can't be done on 360, actually. :)

[emil1]

best console graphics ever

KZ2
god of war 3
uncharted 2

despite x360 1 year more on market and much easier to program for because architecture is 95% similar to pc and better graphics card than ps3's

[MrBuffalo]

Its generally accepted that the 360 is easier to code for but even the 360 and PS3 share a power pc based CPU. As I understand it the 360 simply has a more straight forward design that lends itself to already proven techniques. Its not as simple as it being 95% similar. Judging by my experience I buy most multiplats (except RE5 because of the demos awful screen tearing and SF4 because I had sicks for Virtua Fighter already) on 360 and enjoy all exclusives on my PS3 (and exclusives on 360 too). Though UC2 is probably the best graphics I've seen this gen I haven't seen anything that well and truely blows the 360 out of the water. Gamings all good!!! and regarding best console graphics... sure it aint HD but people who've seen me play Okami on my Wii that aren't even gamers have said how great it looks. Thats a beautiful game despite it being on the Wii and PS2. Art Style and creative endeavour wins over technical skill every time!

[moparful99]

You have the basics right buffalo. While both are based on IBM power pc cores the 360 utilizes a 3 core unit with a xenos gpu that uses a main die/ daughter die setup on the gpu itself. This setup affords devlopers more pipelines for data transfer between the gpu and cpu which equates to a faster coding process. But faster in no way translates to better. With the cell, despite the underpowered gpu, that lack of graphics processing can be overcome by utilizing an SPE on the cell. However most developers just use the single core of the cell and leave the SPE's unused which is why multiplats dont impress on the ps3, with a few exceptions. Once the development community better grasps the cell and the user base on ps3 continues to grow we will see a shift in this philosophy and games will become better for this reason...

[bobdog626]

With all that said and Done all 3 Games cant,out sell the first halo.Shame ODST have out sold all of them.Look at the Wii ,No Bluray No Hi Def Just Mario beating the Socks off of Sony.I Still Remimber the time they said Crysis could not be Done on the 360.Just a matter of Time Guys Just a matter of Time

[Jazz4108]

Also just a side note while you ps3 guys om here build each other up I'm working out in the real world in the gaming business influnceing people when it matters the most and the biased crap I see coming from ps3 guys is what turns me away from this console plus its just slow. I have bought 3 ps3s since it came out 2 for me and one as a gift so damn I support sony but this crap bs has got to stop since most of you don't own a 360 and just talk crap that is so wrong and uneducated. Don't bother responding to this as I will not be reading your comments. Back to work.

[PSN-JeRzYzFyNeSt]

it means what it says, not to hard to understand

[J-Smith]

it means - the xbox360 is rubbish

[Hacker]

'Can't Be Done On 360' - What Does It Even Mean? It means a lot of bull sh*t thats what it means.

also if you've noticed only Sony's First Party Developers spew this crap out. Its as if they have to sign a contract that specifically binds them to say those words.

At the end of the day we all know xbox360 is more than capable to churn out games which 'Can't Be Done On ps3' take a look at the Multi-Platform game RAGE voted best looking game on consoles u can't deny facts. Crysis 2 end of discussion.

[Proxy]

This is N4G. Not only will we deny the truth, but we'll silence those who mention truths we aren't happy with.

[smashman98]

clearly people didnt apreciate ur sarcasm as much as i did

[Bobbykotickrulesz]

lol I love how 360 fanboys call PS3 fanboys, well, fanboys.

It's funny to me.

Also, Crysis 2 will look like dog shit on 360 in comparison to PS3. And as for RAGE, I'll reserve judgement on that til later. I won't speak out until I get all the facts unlike all you fanboys.

*cough* Alan Wake *cough* Halo:Reach *cough* Man I've got a nasty cold going on here.

[silvacrest]

yes only sony devs say this but maybe thats because its true, think about it

naughty dog, GG, sucker punch etc push development of a game more then most 360 games have shown (this isn't fanboy rubbish, your eyes tell the truth)

assuming these sony devs are at least aware of what the 360 is capable of i'll take their word for it over some random guy on the interwebs

[Pedantic91]

And the keyword of today is: Multi-platform.

[gypsygib]

No it was voted 'best of the show' not 'graphics' and even if it was, best console graphics of the show doesn't necessarily mean best console graphics of the generation. If PS3 and 360 weren't there a wii game could have one best graphics…oh wait

[Optical_Matrix]

I'm not quite sure how you can call it "crap". Last time I checked 360 didn't have 6 SPU's. PS3 devs keep talking about how the 6 SPU's and how they work in unison with the Cell is what gives us results like Uncharted 2, God of War III, Killzone 2, inFamous 2...these games are built around harnessing that specific technology. How on earth do you expect 360 to do that when it doesn't have 6 SPU's or at least a suitable alternative.
If these games were ported, the aspects that utilize SPU technology would need to be heavily scaled down or at worst, just taken out. Therefore, God of War III, Uncharted 2, as they exist NOW, in their current form that millions have played, cannot physically be done on 360. If they were. No way in hell they'd be the same as the PS3 version. USe common sense. Not your fanboy ego.

[skip2mylou]

oh whats that boy? MS devs dont say that their games look better??? please you act like T10 said their games are graphically better and they get shot out of the water by GT5, you act like Alan wake devs and MS execs never said that alan wake looked 20x better than what ps3 offered hell i evene heard that people think gears of war is graphically better than uncharted 2 and KZ 2 combined

[stuna1]

You must be off your meds again, I'm not saying the xbox is not capable of some nice graphics, they're just not in the same league as sonys first party developers. Look at it this way I'm willing to concede that the xbox 360's online components is where the xbox excells, but the ps3 excells in every other category when it comes to making games.

[Falloutxii]

If a God of War or Uncharted 2 could be done on a 360 it would of been done a long time ago.

[silvacrest]

is all that needs to be said

logic and common sense will always lead back to this

only the rage devs and crytek seem to be going all out but who noes what their final result will look like

credit still has to be given to epic considering the lack of 360 games that manage to look better then gears

[edhe]

Why?

No need. Sony brought together *everything they had* to crank out bespoke tech to use their peculiar console so it could compete with the 360. They managed it - they managed to compete with 3rd party engines, after all that time.

Incredible.

MS haven't invested into a specific software platform to extract more power from their system in order to win back the hearts and minds of the immature - they understand that it's more features and social functions that generate a long tail, not one or two extra shiny games.

Let the dev houses do that stuff. God knows i'd like MS to do it though. Imagine how the 360 would perform if the directx layers were stripped and they could directly access the hardware? yes please.

Win/Win for gamers.

[Ju]

That is quite funny: "MS haven't invested into a specific software platform to extract more power from their system in order to win back the hearts and minds of the immature"

You can't even argue with XBox fans that a non-shooter game can take the gaming crown. Look at numbers what sells: Shooters and then some. Speaking of "immature". You get talked down if you try to mention LittleBigPlanet is a game of the year...

And for not having invested. Must be the reason why AW took 6 years, was developed exclusively as a showcase what the 360 can achieved when coded properly and still can't light a candle against the "bu..bu bbbu KZ2 took 5 years" in development games (which it didn't). It's quite hilarious how fast this game, AW, disappeared from the headlines.

Now all this means nothing, because Rage and Crysis2 will show us (and explicitly coding for the 360 doesn't mean a thing, either, right?).

[jib]

i wouldn't take that quote literally. how many more 1st/2nd party devs does sony have over microsoft? A LOT more. also, AW was developed with a significantly smaller dev team than kz2

i do believe the PS3 is the more powerful system of the two. with that said, i also believe that it would have had the better games regardless due to how much sony invests in their games

[dragonelite]

Funny stuff in theory the devs are right both platform have way different architecture so a 1 on 1 port isn't doable. What i find the most funny about those claims are the graphics claims you know it's absolute bullshit. What more funnier to hear is when people say colors is harder to do then grey. Look up how color are done in graphics.

PS 3 games look 1 year ahead of the rest because of the talent sony has and the budget they give those talents. But in 1~2 year later multiplat title surpasses that quality and with the likes of cryteck and ID you have devs that already surpasses first party titles. Biggest problem for microsoft is most talent is already taken by the big publisher and sony when they reign the last 2 gens.

Inbe4 disagree because people here dont do logic.

[gypsygib]

Logic isn't subjective like, you know, evaluating whether 'X' game is more visually appealing 'Y'...lol. Some games can be more technically advanced that's it - not sure if Rage or Crysis 2 are more than U2, K3, Infamous 2 and GOW3.

[dragonelite]

Rage is definitely more technical in my eyes a 60 fps game is always better then 30 fps game that why i find cod a good franchise they go for 60 fps with visuals some 30 fps game struggle to get. God of war is awesome for its 60 fps.

Do you think when people see Killzone 3 against halo:Reach they will give a dam about a tech check list. They dont give a rat's ass if a game has a dynamic lighting system or a faked one with baked shadows. The game with baked shadows will look better then the one with the dynamic one but does it mean that the dynamic one is less technical.

Go look at the crysis central station trailer and somewhere at the end of the boss battle look at the shadows on the ceiling look how the move with the big plasma buld flying over. The average gamers won't see that.
The tech whore does see it.

And i give credits to game that deserves it not platform biased in that. But claiming one platform can't do it and 2 years later multiplat games appear that look better is stupid, just say we manage to get the most out of this system. You get more credits for saying that from fans and them knowing you did your best.

[HarryM]

Bah, I'm going to get rid of the previous comment simply because I already know that a group of outrageous fanboys will just Bubble me down again..

[Afro-Ninja2]

calling people fanboys will rarely get you anywhere. I saw your original comment too, it's pretty similar to what you're saying now.

[HarryM]

Haha, I'm pretty sure it isn't. It was outlining why I personally believe it means nothing, and how the fanboys would disagree instantly...

[BlackBusterCritic]

As much as the fanboys dont want to hear it, the PS3's cell processor makes a difference. It can do jobs that the GPU can do, and when both are incorporated, the amount of potential that is exhibited surpasses what the Xbox360 is capable of. Any game that uses the Cell in accordance to the GPU is then only capable of being ran on the PS3.

[Dylantalon1]

it's quite simple really. it's actually referring to games that are highly detailed in graphics with a lot of realistic physics and animation that are often times way higher than 9 gbs.

i understand that people love the xbox 360 but it's inferior to the ps3. skeptics should simply look at highly rated exclusives for the truth. a guage tool i use to know if a game will be good or of high production quality is if the game is a ps3 exclusive . i cant do that with any other console. i'm right about 95 %of the time.

[Ri0tSquad]

PS3 has the best looking console exclusives. I don't have to tell you to wait for [enter unreleased game here] to prove it either because there's more than enough games out right now that do that.

[MrBuffalo]

Unchartered 2 is the best looking game I've seen on a console this gen but when I play it do I think its a generation apart from anything on my 360?...no. People need to put things in perspective. It isn't like this game can not be done because that is utter horse crap. Could it look the same?...I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure it would still look good regardless. People need to drop this 'da power of cell' crap and lay more credit at the feet of the creators. UC2 triumph is as much down to the skills of the artist creating a world that you enjoy being in than as much as it is a technical achievement. Maybe fanboys haven't been playing games as long as myself or some other people but go back to the 16 bit era when the term arcade perfect was king and you'd realise how futile the pixel counting shenanigans that people get up to actually is. SF2 on the snes was arcade perfect... well, of course it wasn't but it was good enough because the game shone through so back then we thought it was arcade perfect. UC2 the game could be done on the 360 I'm sure regardless of whether it would look identical or not. The way some people speak of technical 'facts' around here can be genuinely alarming. Some of you get a hard on for this crap.

[Sez]

It means Sony cut that check for dev's to make that game exclusive only to the ps3. That's what it means. After looking at rage and crysis 2 on the 360. There is no reason a game can't be done on the 360. Reguardless of how many disk. It can still be done on the 360.

[edhe]

Well obviously is the significant amount of magic diamond skulls used in the development of these games. They're just not compatible with green packaging.

Ergo the code cannot be refactored and made to run on any other technology - EVEN DEVKITS!

[ApocalypseShadow]

all we have heard from microsoft is:

"we can do this."

"we can do that."

even put out misinformation back in 2005-2006 stating 360 was more powerful than ps3.but all we get is talk.

7.1 surround?forget it.
bluray?forget it.
32 players with impressive graphics?forget it.
40 players since ps3 launch?forget it.
60 players 2 years ago?forget it.
256 players at one time since a year ago?forget it.
3D.not an approximation.ps3 type 3D?forget it.

time and time again we get talk about 360 can do it too.but it's all bullsh!t.

how about this:

"can 360 put GTA4,lost and the d@mned and gay tony on **ONE** disc?nope.

it means what it says.not "we can get close.""we can put it on multiple discs like FFXIII's attempt.

we want to see 1:1 just like sony's move controller or we don't want to hear it.

EDIT:another example would be GT and forza.

1080p/16cars/60fps.microsoft and turn 10 has had 2 attempts to match GT 1:1.not 8 cars.not 720p.not less polygons per car and lie about it and not tell gamers it's in the start screen and before a race.see......1:1 or shut it.

[edhe]

You comment on features as if they're power.

7.1 = hdmi feature, bluray = media feature, networking setup = feature, 3d output = feature. not power.

It's already been demonstrated a million times that the two consoles are near enough equals.. but then you highlight GTA.

GTA4 - a game that runs in 720p at a higher framerate on one platform, not the other. Ergo one platform is showing more POWER on that engine than the other one. The fact it could fit on one disc is not power - it's a feature. Ergo you're arguing incorrectly.

Why do you care about 1:1 like move? again that's a feature, not power. I though Wiimote controls were for the kids - at least that's what Sony's PR implied.

NB when talking about GT5 try talking about a game that's out. You're getting it backwards - Forza's outdone GT4 a few times now. it's time for GT5 to try to take it's crown back.

So yeah - "1:1 or shut it" i'm amazed you used GTA4 when you try to peddle that moronic nonsense.

Good luck in school!

[MrBuffalo]

Not that I even give a crap but your moronic warblings make me point this out. GTA 4 doesn't it run at a lower res on PS3? add to that RDR and maybe some others, I'm not sure but Its never bothered me as much as it bothers you. You care too much about this. There are other things in life to get as concerned about like world hunger, the economy are we killing our planet?. Go out and find some friends and learn to appreciate these things and leave gaming for the rest of us to enjoy. Its obviously having a harmful effect on you.

[Official General]

You 360 fanatics always come up with these stupid, baseless claims that GTA 4 and Read Dead Redemption are sub-HD on the PS3. None of these claims has ever been proven to be true. Don't even bother quoting pixel-counting findings from internet nobodies at NeoGaf. Not one official statement from Rockstar has actually confirmed this. Most of the major online gaming reviewers have not noticed anything like this on the PS3 versions of GTA 4 or RDR - I have both games on the PS3 and I also think they look great. Is that all you 360 guys can come up with in your defence? It seems like it is, and whats worse, it's not even true. Why not come up with claims that are actually true for once? Don't get mad at PS3 owners and tell lies about our console's graphical power, just because the 360's biggest exclusive (Alan Wake) was officially admitted to be sub-HD at 640p.

[MrBuffalo]

Bravo for totally missing the point of what I wrote Officer General. Re-read my post and you'll find I used GTA4 simply as a means to point out how futile his argument was. I dont get how people can feel so passionate about a console that they have to attack its nearest market opposition like its in defence of their mother! RDR and GTA4 are great games regardless of what machine they are played on. Call me a fanboy if you wish but you can check my profile and find my gamer tags (albeit only one of four accounts from my PS3 is shown)... I just play the games that I like... not games on a machine that deep down I wish I could sleep with.

[lagoonalight]

Okay, pixel counting is basically 100% at this point and this is coming from a PS3 owner here with no intention of ever touching the fail box unless I see some franchises pronto that I can't play on my PS3. Red Dead was VERY and I MEAN VERY easily seen to the eye to be sub HD. If you think otherwise you are a fool. I have astigmatism and I can still very easily tell that Red Dead was nowhere near the 360 version and both were glitchy as hell and not that graphically superb in any sense.

[jetlian]

can ps3 run custom soundtracks forget it. does GT5,UC1/2/ GOW3, HR, MGS4 have splitscreen forget it.

360 does have a game over 40 players it also has 3d games

new guy marcus rivers said it best ps3 "step your game up" lol

[JustTheFactsMr]

"can ps3 run custom soundtracks forget it."
Yes it can. Plus 7.1 lossless audio. Plus a whole slew of audio upscaling options for music the 360 doesn't have. Plus storing video, music, photos and playlists on the system itself and using IT as a media server. . No extra PC's required. 360 seems to need the help of a PC to do it. 360 has the same lossy 5.1 audio as the original Xbox for both movies and games.

Technically the PS3 can stream music from the internet and play your custom music at exactly the same time for some weird mixes. Sure you wouldn't want to but technically the PS3 doesn't even hiccup when you do.

"360 does have a game over 40 players"
No it doesn't. That single game (Frontline) uses PC's for the servers. So while it's true Live for the 360 does the 360 itself isn't serving them up. The 360 itself is limited to 31 sessions so even if it could it can't. Maybe you should wonder why MS placed that restriction? And why 16-player seems to be about it in practice for the 360. 256 on the PS3. More than an order of magnitude greater. Because of the SPU's and a real dedicated server architecture.

"it also has 3d games "
Just not the best implementations. There are many ways to implement it and some are far better and more realistic than others. Clash of the Titans was a "3-D" movie that was basically 2-D converted to 3D using simplistic strategies. Avatar was built from the ground up for 3D using the full pallet. The difference is significant. Same with games.

But keep believing the propaganda. MS likes people to be mushrooms. Kept in the dark.

[jetlian]

52 is over 40 no matter how its done they did it. 2 games running custom soundtrack not the same as all games. I guess i don't have music on my 360 o wait yea i do and its in playlist form

3D is 3d now using another method is all together a different argument. fact is ps3 is gonna be using the same method as 360 for the fact its not strong enough to use the 60 fps per eye.

[Cajun Chicken]

Can't be done on 360 seems to mean;

'Hard work and effort'.

[theone26]

Rage doesn't look anywhere near as good as the best of PS3 exclusives, next year titles like killzone 3, infamous 2 and uncharted 3 will faithfully end the discussion once and for all.

[Shane Kim]

It means exactley what it means. It can't be done on the 3sh!tty...simple as that.

[BillOreilly]

whatever ps3 might look a little better but you have to really be looking i got ff13 on 360 on hd screen looked damn good to me thats all that matters gears 3 and killzone 3 will be pretty close not like wii and 360/ps3 . all that matters is if you like what ur playing.i like lost odessey and alan wake mass effect 2 and they look amazing so im happy, you should be too.

[Hotel_Moscow]

but the white engine only used 4 of the 6 spus and everyone knows the ps3 version was dumbed down thanks to the 360

you can tell because the demo for final fantasy 13 looked better than the final game

[Sez]

FF13 was done on the ps3 before it was ported over to the 360. One of the reasons why japan got thier version first. So how can a game be completed on one system (ps3) to be dumb down on ps3/360 here in the states. So is the japan version the more complete version?

[Sez]

So judging by the disagrees. FF 13 didn't come out in japan first. So they didn't finish the japanees version before they worked on the US/UE versions.
Or are you guys just looking to blame MS for every little thing.

[Hotel_Moscow]

no one said anything about it coming out in japan first

and i doubt it was done when they decided to port it over to 360 and remove things from the game

i mean like seriously back in 08 when advent children came out on blu ray included was final fantasy 13 demo

which looked better than the final game

[Shane Kim]

It was probably allready made on 360 and was put on hold to make us think that the PS3 wouldn't be dumbed down. Like SE would actually make different verions of the same game hahaha.

[MariaHelFutura]

It`s means it`s a PS3/PC exclusive.

[creepjack]

It means, Sony owns the IP, therefor it legally cant be done on the 360.

Damn, I thought Gamefaqs was bad, but this site takes the cake for all out ignorance.

[vandal GAB]

If the 360 had Hd-dvd drive as standard from the start I'm more than confident games on 360 would match these ps3 exclusives. I own both systems and it's clear to see the ps3 advantage comes from blue-ray yeah the cell is a bit more powerfull but not as much as you imagine.

[jneul]

even if it had HD-DVD that would not help x360 do 720p and MLAA, the cell +rsx combination is just way beyond the 360 just admit it

[multips3fan]

360 sucks .i justed wasted 60$ in crackdown 2 and that game looked terrible

[jneul]

The cell is powerful technology, sorry but x360 has too much in common with pc architecture, it just cannot keep up with ps3, just look at infamous 2, impressive graphics for an open world, RDR which you all seem to be using as your base for you argument looks nowhere near as good as Infamous 2, the last impressive game visually on x360 was Gears 2, since then not much improvement has been made, meanwhile ps3 games just keep on getting better and better.

[Convas]

You shot yourself in the foot there, Jethro. LMAO, did you just say that the 360 having too much in common with a PC is a bad thing? Have you forgotten that a Good PC Rig is stronger than both an Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 combined?

The only reason I can see that some of these games can't be done on Xbox 360 is because of the lack of a higher HD Storage capacity. If MS had stuck with HD-DVD for Games or even Blu-Ray, I can guarantee you the state of this Graphics/Console war would be VERY different.

[thehitman]

You can upgrade a PC but you cant a 360. Same architecture w/o the upgrade = 5 year old technology A.K.A fail.

[megalonagyix]

I love when fanboys arguing about games. if you ask me, both console's graphics sucks donkey dick. Heck, even Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 looks better than KZ2.

Uncharted 2? meh. ---> Crysis
Heavy Rain? Big joke, lol.

[Denethor_II]

DOOM 3? REALLY??? What are you?

[MysticStrummer]

Half Life 2 looks better than Killzone 2...? Ummm... WHAT?!? Stay calm sir, the ambulance is on it's way. The guys in the white coats are coming to help you. Don't resist, it's for your own good.

[rwarner174]

Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 were great for their time. And they have held up really well over time graphicly. But honeslty, they can't hold a candle to most games released on any system be it PC, PS3 or the XBOX360.

[DeathMetal]

do look better than console games but you can't say uncharted is worse looking than HL2 you just can't. I just started playing uncharted 2 and it is a beautiful game

[writersblock]

It meant "Cant be done on 360"

[DeezNutz]

U guys are nuts. Even the Guy that wrote this article said games like uc2,killzone and infamous can't b done on a 360 because of the ps3 processor. I'm sure games like uc and killzone can b made for a 360. will they look as good? No. If the 360 was able to make games with killzone type graphics it would have been done already and not by a 3rd party

[Kahvipannu]

Another day in N4G, same shit going on.. And please someone tell me when you get agreement on this matter :)

Moving on.

[gypsygib]

It means DVDs are too limited in that case it couldn't be done on 360 or means 360 couldn't handle the level of graphics, in that case it could be done on 360 but it would look/run worse.

[IHateYouFanboys]

"LittleBigPlanet is a huge community game that thrives because of an open, post-release moderation scheme and an open approach to content sharing. This is also an aspect of the PSN service that Gabe Newell complimented at E3 and called the future of the industry. This too is currently not possible on the 360 as Microsoft’s policies on content and server management is far more restrictive. It could be done one day, but right now it cannot."

Halo 3 says hi. Forza 3 says hi.

both have just as much - and in halo 3s case probably 100x more - user generated and shared content.

anyone that utters 'only possible on PS3' is a sony fanboy, 100% fact, no exceptions. these 2 consoles are so even in power that neither console can really do anything the other cant.

[theonlylolking]

Does xbox have Cell? No, so a lot of the stuff cant be done on 360.

[strickers]

What they have 2.7 million levels?
If they are so even in power why are PS3 games always the best looking with best particles,physics etc?
You only own an xbox,don't you?
But both and lose your ignorance.

[IHateYouFanboys]

no, i own a PS3 and a 360.

the xbox doesnt need the cell processor to do those games. i mean, look at the games that youre saying cant be done:

Uncharted 2: straightforward linear action game with TINY explorable levels. saying that the Cell is needed to render BACKGROUND is absolutely laughable. firstly, its the GPU that renders the backgrounds. secondly, the Cell has nothing to do with backgrounds because its not having to process any data there - the backgrounds are just static geometry that have nothing interacting with them.

Little Big Planet: 2.5D platformer. all thats needed for the physics is just a plug and play Havok engine, which hundreds of other games use (uncharted 2 among them, and you guys all cream over the physics in that game). the rest is just putting objects in the levels, of which you only get a certain amount of objects before you run out of space. this is all in 2.5D remember. Halo 3 on the other hand, does this exact thing but in full 3D, online, while other people are playing the level at the same time, in real-time.

Infamous 2: well the games not even out, and going by the prequel it will be nothing special, and certainly not even as technically impressive as games like GTA4 and Red Dead Redemption. those are on the 360, so how could Infamous 2 not be done on the 360?

@strickers: yes, halo 3 has far more than 2.7 million user generated levels. it also lets you make game modes and share them. it lets you take screenshots and videos and share them. it goes so far above and beyond what LBP does its not even worth mentioning LBP.

then you go and do the big typical fanboy mistake - say that because i dont think the PS3 is the best that i mustnt own one. i bought one on day one, like i did with my 360, PS2, xbox, PS, DC, N64, etc etc all the way back to the 2600.

[strickers]

You can't make full levels in Halo 3,can you?Only re jig level furniture.You don't own LBP,do you?
You are now talking down the technical level of Uncharted 2.You are showing huge levels of ignorance and that you are indeed a massive fanboy.
GTA4 and Red Dead have massive technical problems and are no where near the level of polish of even alpha Infamous2.Have you seen the physics and particle fx?
So you actually,genuinely believe that PS3 games do not outstrip 360 games technically?
That is fanboyism.

[theonlylolking]

Rage looks worse than gears 3.

[lastdual]

that the legions of pathetic PS3 fanboys on N4G can all get together and have a circle jerk while the rest of us real gamers who own all the consoles will continue to enjoy great games on every platform.

[bjornbear]

I can't run Crysis on my MBP

so obv, thr 360 can't run Uncharted 2 on its hardware. When games are done taking advantage of PS3's SPU's, its hard to make it work for 360 since it works completely differently

not saying its impossible, its probably because they pull things off with PS3 you just can't pull off with 360 (less disk space, less SPU power, etc)

[bobdog626]

Time will Prove you Wrong Every Time. I remimber when they said Crysis could not be Done on the 360 .,Period,No ifs, and ,or buts but look now.Its Done!Before this Gen is done you will see a Uncharted2 like Game running on the 360 mark my words.You will find out Soon.

[yamzilla]

both consoles choke on most games that are at 1280x720 and barely turn out a playable framerate*...

*if you find 20-30 frames per second playable I feel bad for you.

[DeathMetal]

so true here come the fanboys to say PS3 is a s good as Pc, they do not even know what HD is yet LOL. Just like the tards that say KZ2 looks better than crysis.

[AK46]

Yep here comes a 360 fanboy who mentions the PC because he knows his 360 is outmatched by the PS3. By the way are we talking about consoles not the PC. By the way us PS3 gamers also have a PC, like everyone else.

[bjornbear]

why? the human eye takes in anything above 25 fps as moving perfectly smoothly

i feel bad for pigeons though, its hella slow for them.

if you can't enjoy an amazing game at 30 fps I feel sorry for you.

[RagTagBnd445]

"why? the human eye takes in anything above 25 fps as moving perfectly smoothly "
That is wrong, there is a clear difference between 30 and 60 fps, some scientist even suggest we can see up to 200fps, it is also very different from person to person. That said, 30fps is still perfectly play- and enjoyable.

[IneedWeed]

PS3 was harder to develop for and was launched a year after Xbox 360. 360 Multi-Plat form games look better since it was developed on the 360. But now Dev's are coding the PS3 better and using the huge Blu Ray space and better CPU to help PS3 do things that 360 couldn't. Think about how PS3 could play SCII running and that'll take a lot of use for the Cell CPU since there are so many small controllable units going on all on the map, I believe that 360 can play SCII, but from a specs perspective, PS3 can process SCII better. I'm glad I own all 3 systems and got a good gaming rig, and can just enjoy what all systems got to offer. But if I had to choose one gaming console, it'll be the PS3 since it has better exclusives(Thus Far) and can play blu-rays. Also the browser can stream movies and TV shows for free from Megavideos/Youtube.(Megaporn is also Win!)

[Gun_Senshi]

Specs of X360 do not meet the demand of the game.

[ghostgaming]

360 is limited by DVD format - anyone whom cant agree with that are kidding themselves

We are talking about the PS3 exclusives here - and anyone whom can honestly say Uncharted 2 is not a technically amazing game is fooling themselves. Multiplats however, are just as good on the 360 because thats the way they are being developed. From what we see, its easier to think Splinter Cell conviction could be made on the PS3 without modification, while its hard to imagine Uncharted 2 being on the 360 without some type of modification or multiple discs or both.

However, it is hard to push a system like the 360 when you have very little first party studios or invest heavily into them. Thats the biggest issue with MS here - they invest into DLC and timed exclusives - there have been numerous studios in the past few years snatched up by EA and Activision - MS should have invested in them.

[strickers]

That's not true either.The Cell chip CAN do stuff that the 360 will not be able to.Sorry if you don't like that but it's one of the reasons(with Blu ray)that PS3 can do more on screen.
The other thing is the little bit of super fast memory on 360 is actually slightly too small and limits what can pass through.It gives almost free anti aliasing but can only handle so much.

[Jack Klugman]

It's marketing hyperbole created by Sony. More quality journalism from the gutters of the internet.

[AliTheBrit19]

It's a ridiculous thing to say.

Take it from someone who really knows computers

ANY Game you see on Xbox 360 or PS3, can be done on each other

Because all games are created on PC's to start with, and the Xbox 360 is just a PC, nothing more, and a pretty powerful one too

Note, I never said well made console, the hardware is strong, but just cheap in parts.

Uncharted 2 could be easily done on the Xbox 360.

[tiamat5]

The PS3 is a powerhouse that is ahead of it's time. The Xbox 360 is a play it safe console just like the Wii is. GT5 and Uncharted look more realistic then anything Microsoft has ever made. What is so hard to understand?

[USEYOURFIST]

one day these fanboys will realise just because they dont own something it dont make it rubbish, ps3 has the best games at the moment period but dont mean i hate the 360 well i do for ruining final fantasy ... lol

[dizzleK]

ok ps3 games look better....now what? wake me when one gives me 1/10 of the incredible experience i had with mass effect 1&2 or alan wake because it hasn't happened yet.

[N4OGs]

your money for how hard they are working for the real hardcore gamer and all gamers a like. All nintendo has is the same mario nintendo franchises we played for 20 years and M$ has a bunch of shooters and multiplats with inferior featureless hardware.

[BabyTownFrolics]

the worst thing about this gen of gaming is that blogs, forums, and comment sections have allowed the worst type of minds to think that their opinions have any sort of value merely because they see it in print. It used to be that you had to actually have some professional experience or knowledge on a subject, it used to be of utmost importance to view and synthesize the facts impartially with out emotion in order to come to sane and rational conclusions about a subject, and finally you as an individual had to be responsible for your words and the quality of your work as they would be what readers would use to judge your usefulness as a voice on this subject.

Instead we have websites whose only concern is hits (this can be seen by the lack of quality and imagination in their writing; Quality in this circumstance is not a necessity), and the way to get the most hits is to instigate a fight so that the rabble can jump in and punch away. Nothing is learned no insight is gained. Just the emotionally unstable shouting into the void, trying to defend some inconsequential consumer decision they have made to a faceless anonymous mob.

you are the definition of the manipulated masses, flailing in the dark at imaginary enemies for the profit and the amusement of your masters.

In reference to this specific article:

this topic has been discussed and argued about for nearly five years. anyone who has played both consoles knows the strengths and weaknesses inherent in them. Leave it alone. The Horse is long dead.

[MechSamus]

"The last I checked there weren’t any psychics or time travellers working in the games industry - as much as some would like to paint themselves as such - so clearly the statement is erroneous."

ummmm the people that work and/or have been working in the industry for more than 20 years, with generations and generations gone by working on different consoles are the people in the game industry. with that level of experience i would more than likely believe them over an editor for a news column- sounds like to me your trying to justify your purchase of your new 360 slim?? probably... in hopes you might see something on at least the same level as uncharted...keep dreaming buddy

[lagoonalight]

Wish all the Rage nerds would go away. As if before they saw Sessler and some others love the game they thought anything much of it. Now it's the 'PS3 killer' just like every new release they try and hang onto as if it will be some magic button that kills the power of the PS3 in one blow. And then they act like KZ3 and all the third gen titles are basically the same. Sigh. These people are delusional. Hell, most of you are.

[ChickeyCantor]

And nothing beats an old classic game of tetris.

[gamingisnotacrime]

no game has proven that. Alan Wake was supposed to be the savior in graphics but is sub hd. just saying

[HardcoreHDGamer]

Not much to understand here, just. It cannot be done.

Games that we see now being released on the PS3 only are powerhouses of graphicical content, the 360 is having trouble these days with Gears unreal engine and that is made solely for the 360 hardware and still this engine looks no better then when it was first released.

[Figboy]

1) Free Online (Microsoft will NEVER do this. EVER).
2) Free DLC that's more than just something that could be unlocked with a cheat code (Keys to the City in Crackdown, for instance).
3) Large amounts of data stored on the disc (Fallout, Oblivion, RDR, AC2 all use gobs of repeating textures to make their worlds seem large. pop in Uncharted 2 or Ratchet: ACIT, and take note of not only how many locations are present, but how high quality the texture work is. you'd be hard pressed to find a pixelated, texture in the game).
4) Steam
5) Off-loading code to the SPUs, which frees up the graphics processor to handle more of everything: more geometry, more polygons per character, other effects that don't have to be offloaded to the SPUs (developers like Naughty Dog, and Santa Monica Studio offload things like physics, post-processing and other effects to the Cell).
6) Allow developers to cache to the HDD if necessary as a requirement for their games.
7) Blu Ray
8) MLAA

See? there's plenty of things that can't be done on the 360, both hardware wise, and Microsoft standard wise.

it's just the way the system was built. we've seen time and time again the benefits of having a larger disc medium, free online, a CPU that allows more and more calculations to be run on it instead of relying heavily on the GPU, thus necessitating a unified memory structure like the 360 (meaning CPU and GPU are battling for who gets to do what and when), instead of the split memory for the PS3 (the Cell's 256MB of memory is super fast, and the RSX's 256MB of memory is not as fast as the Cell's, but it has all that memory for itself).

look at games like Alan Wake on the 360 (i'm really looking forward to my copy arriving Thursday by the way). the game debuted looking stunning. it released in sub HD, with moderate to low res textures and lots of developer tricks like use of heavy shadow and lighting to cover graphical flaws (and Remedy did a fantastic job of this). Remedy had to make a call with how they used the 512MB of RAM on the 360. did they use more for visuals, or more for game play mechanics (ie, physics, AI, etc)?

they had to balance it out. Alan Wake is certainly a fine game (my co-workers love it, and recommended it highly, which is why i'm picking it up), but it is pushing what the 360 can do graphically. more tricks need to be developed to ring more out of it, but remember, it's over 5 years old now.

in comparison, look at Uncharted 2. crisp, detailed textures, motion blur, depth of field, uses the Havoc physics engine, and features superb character animation.

the 360 is a fine machine, but the PS3 is newer technology.

i never saw this type of thing when the PS2 was a year older than the Xbox, which was new technology, thus clearly more capable than the PS2. nobody ever ONCE said the PS2 was more powerful than the Xbox.

but NOW? now that the 360 is a year older than the PS3, and the PS3 is clearly showing off some superior games technically? now people don't want to face the truth.

i enjoy my 360, but not because it's more or less powerful than the PS3. because it has some good games. i loved the HELL out of my PS2, despite the Xbox being a more powerful system, because the PS2 had great games.

considering that most of us aren't game developers, who's to say that developer's are lying when they say something can't be done on the 360? we KNOW what both systems are capable of at their best. there are numerous software titles that show us this. they speak for themselves now.

if the 360 could pull off a game the caliber of Uncharted 2, we'd have seen it in the 5 years it's been on the market.

[Oner]

Exactly Fig! +Well Said & +Agree. The fact remains (to me in my eyes) that when we get games that are ~

1) As detailed as GT5P with amazing physics to match
2) Have the shear scale & graphic fidelity of God of War 3
3) As intricately story based written like MGS4
4) Have as many on screen characters & facial expression accuracy as Heavenly Sword
4) Have as many players on a map as MAG
5) Have the whole package of Uncharted 2

Then and ONLY then can the 360 "talk"...but after 5 years it hasn't been done, and so with that I can whole heartedly say with CONFIDENCE & ACCURACY ~

WHAT CAN BE DONE ON THE PS3 CANNOT BE DONE ON THE 360.

PERIOD.

[prettyboy1]

seeing is believing and we havnt seen anything that can match uc2 or gow3,at least yet.articals like this fail so hard

[Human Analog]

What if Rage was developed as a PS3 exclusive first. Then ported over to the Xbox a year later. What would they have to change or sacrifice to get it to run. Would it be different? Would it be the same? We don't know. I tend to believe it would be sacrificed and this comes from a multi-platform owner and lover. Let's just call a spade a spade though.

[gano]

Damn.
I'm actually speeches at half of the responses.
Since when is a 50gig game possible on 6gig without major losses.
Did people forget how ff13 turned out. Hell, they lied at e3 in front of your face.
Either M$ got you on the payroll for the past 3 and a half yrs or there is no hope for you.
These topics are growing redundant, and cats are still tryin to figure this out.

? Since when is something playin a old format (dvd) better/powerful then one playin a new one (bluray)?
Thats fuced up we still got corporate shills confusing people on this.
It's like someone saying 2+2=6, cause we said so mentality with no proof.

[MetalFreakMike]

I'm sorry but after reading all these comments being made by fanboys saying the 360 can do these games is a bunch of bullshit. If the developers say it can not be done then it can not be done. None of you people make video games and have a degree that gives you the right to say otherwise. The cell processor can do things the 360 processor cannot and the same goes for the 360 processor for the cell. Unless we see those games coming out on the other console then no it is not possible and there is nothing you can say or do to change it.

These games were built from the ground up on those consoles and changes would have to be made for them to work on the other console. Features and details would have to be thrown out or changed to make it run right.

[DFresh]

It means technologically this platform is not capable to producing these types of quality games.

[djfullshred]

Why so much overanalyzing of this statement? We all intuitively know that when a dev says "can't be done on a 360", they mean that it would be a ton of work with less than optimal results on the 360 version if they decided to design for multiplatform.

[Flare149]

Nice try, but in reality it means it really can't because the whole point of saying that is it can't be replicated in it's entire form on the 360, and even the writer said parts of the game would have to be stripped away in order to make it. THAT IS THE POINT, it can't be made as complete as the PS3 version, meaning the full product "can't be done on 360". It's funny, the author point out the flaw in his own argument using the phrase incorrectly, and I didn't even have to go into the tech side of things.

[xg-ei8ht]

Actually proxy, if your talking bandwidth numbers, i/e bus.

PS3 is faster Then what pc has to offer.

It's just that PC'S have a higher bandwidth and more ram on the GPU Side of things.

[xtremexx]

hes right

[Convas]

The only reason I can see that some of the PS3 "Crown Jewel" games (Uncharted 1&2, Killzone 2&3, MGS4, inFamous 1&2, Heavy Rain, God of War III) can't be done on Xbox 360 is because of the lack of a higher HD Storage capacity. If MS had stuck with HD-DVD for Games or even Blu-Ray, I can guarantee you the state of this Graphics/Console war would be VERY different.

[Belasco]

I am a self confessed 360 fanboy, and even I conceed that the Ps3 undoubtably is the more capable machine, cant we just leave it at that and call it a day?

[xxLuckyStrike]

the 360 has the older hardware...only an idiot would turn this into a B/S fanboy article. Congrats PS3 fanboys your PS3 tech has a leg up on the 360....wow

Edit;

Xbox 360 Launch- 2005
PS3rd Launch- 2006

[Belasco]

Oh, and a standard HD for all models would have helped the 360 a little, very dumb move on MS's part.

[bviperz]

"So when we say ‘[blank] can’t be done on Xbox 360’, what we really mean is, ‘this can’t be done on Xbox 360 at the moment and if they tried it wouldn’t be quite the same’.

I hope that clears things up a little"

I agree.

[Red5]

I don't agree. I don't really see the point of this article. I think when the devs say something, that's what they mean. It's not up to journalists to twist it to fit there agenda.

[N4BmpS]

I don't understand do you agree or disagree? I thought the article was a bit better than I was expecting.

[Red5]

I don't know why the author is trying to analyze what the devs say and make it seem more neutral. I believe they are saying what they mean. The ps3 has more potential, and can therefore produce better experiences, ie - all the aforementioned games.
I read your other post though, that was good. the two sides do really go after each other. but, technobuffalo already decided the console war.

[ReBurn]

Developers and publishers aren't completely altruistic. They need to sell the stuff they make. So if a game is released that is exclusive to one console or another of course they're going to say that it could only be done there. That generates interest and excitement and makes people want to buy it to get the most out of their console investment.

I don't see it as a case of journalists twisting anything, because just like this article says, all of those games came with a statement that they could only be done on the PS3. But without having tried to develop it for another console or the PC there's really no way to validate the statement.

[N4BmpS]

Alright, This gets out of hand fairly quick so this should be the take away.

360 Fanboy, your take away should be, stop douche bags and give the PS3 some damn credit. The 360 is a great console, I've played it, you've played it obviously. Does this mean that PS3 is more powerful? Yeah but that's not to discredit the 360, you don't to act like little kids "My consoles better" come on, it's entertaining but it's old.

PS3 fanboys, I know most of you are getting back at those people who told you that "you wasted 4,5,600 bucks on a console that has no games and is only good for blu-ray" I understand that as well as others should I guess. Okay we get it let that go, Uncharted/2, GoWIII and inFAMOUS are all great games but you have to realize that the 360, like the PS3 has it's high points. It's childish to dumb that down and/or overlook it.

Wii fanboys...good job yous people...

So yeah thank you (no one is gonna read this buuut) :)

[-chaz-]

I think it just means "hasn't been done on 360".

[WorldOfSam]

Despite the encouragement of fan boy wars, this was a fair read.

[Thoreau]

are pc design friendly, but ps3 exclusives are head and halo above 360 games. the 360 is aging. the spus, cell processors free up ram usage, the gpu, and cpu to perform other tasks, so naturally ps3 games are advancing while 360 games stagnate, not to say 360 game look bad. on the contrary, they look great, just not as technical or vibrant as ps3 games. we all knew the ps3 was the console that has a high level of possibility and the 360 was pc designer friendly. the fact of the matter "cant be done on the 360" is exactly what it means.

[ReBurn]

I knew it was going to be hot in here. I bet there are things that, because of the technology in the box, can be done on one console and not another. Each architecture has different strengths and weaknesses. What is important is that developers use those strengths to deliver the best experiences possible while working to minimize the impacts of the weaknesses.

Problem is that the fanboys like to stab each other in the back and then twist the knife whenever they can.

That's why I'm glad to be a multiple console owner. Because I don't have to stoop to the lowest level to defend one or the other at any cost. I get a lot of disagrees for not siding one way or the other and my bubbles are targets for rabid fanboys of every variety. But that's ok I guess. Part of the charm around here.

[SpartanZero]

Nathan has 37000 polygons in Uncharted 2 not 80000 just wanted to point that out

[coolbeans]

The way your spouting out polygons doesn't matter much. Number of polygons on screen isn't of any use unless they're optimized. Which in U2's case, they probably were well optimized but spouting poly numbers alone doesn't really do much whatsoever.

[coolbeans]

Someone's being paid to say that?

[longbug]

All this silly talk of which is better, just enjoy the games & stop b*tchin. FYI, IBM are the true winners, flogging an end of line, overheated chip to MS & an experimental heterogeneous multiprocessor to Sony which is also now dropped by IBM. Neither processor is out of this world. That's why they've both been long ditched. Devs from both camps spout forth with their technical prowess & owners lap it up. I worked for IBM for 4 years & they spout aplenty on the next big thing. C64 versus Spectrum, Atari VCS versus Colecovision, SNES versus Megadrive, PC Engine versus NeoGeo, PS1 versus Saturn, PS2 versus Xbox, 360 versus PS3??? When will it end. I've owned most of the list and enjoyed my time playing through the ages. Now I own none & have yet to see a good reason to rejoin the foray. Hurry up PS4 & XBox 720 but for gods sake stay away from Larrabee. Intel are pushing that trash to both camps.

[SSKILLZ]

the 360 will never match the ps3's graphic this or the next gen, because Sony is always on top when it comes to new and better tech. that's why they said they where going to release the the ps4 after the competition. right now the ps3 has a long way to go and it's still a beast.

That said look at : Dragun619's Post , he nailed it .

[captainjy]

Are you joking me? Every side by side comparison of games has always leaned toward the 360. Sorry, but get your facts straight.

[Bobets]

Every game like the 576p subHD + 3 disc FF13 on 360 for example...

"Get you facts straight" - this applies to you too idiot.

[iliimaster1]

people still thinking their "new" xbox is better..

[sasukeftw]

getting uncharted2 and god of war3 on friday,i cant fucking wait,i'm so excited im gonna own these two great icons of hardcore gaming.

[captainjy]

Yeah, you'll play then for 3 days then wonder why.

[labwarrior]

Like RDR in 720p too

Generally PS3 games are coriddors

[Bobets]

Alan wake can't be sone? lol

BTW your right Alan wank can't be done on ps3 only the all mighty 360 is capable of producing 540p exclusive games.

[longbug]

This is why I rarely comment on this site. Too many narrow minded fanboys. Why anyone would sing the praises of MS or Sony I don't know. They don't give a hoot about owners, just dollars. Every generation the respective tech levels change. Dreamcast was still the most fun I've ever had on a console and no SPU's or triple core in sight. Just playable games and top shoot em ups.

[SnukaTheMan]

Looks Like this story brought out the trolls....too bad it does not matter ...since if you want to play either uncharted 2 or metal gear solid..you need a ps3.....if you want to play gears of war 3 and alan wake..you need a xbox 360...im sure if it had to be multiplatform...something would of been done to make either game on either console...and vice versa...

[vandal GAB]

OMG it's like the ps3 is the most powerful thing in the universe all hail the mighty ps3. Focking ps3 fan boys you give gamers a bad name with the w*nk you spk. Makes me not proud to own one.

[FwanK]

but but but

Kinectimals!!!!

[captainjy]

What a crock of crap. The only reason why games "can't be done on a 360" is because of bluray, period. Look at Rage, probably the most awesome looking game to hit any platform and it looks more amazing than any game before it and ran at 60 FPS on the 360.

The 360's triple core processor is more than enough to run anything out there. You guys act like the cell processor is 10 years ahead of the 360's CPU when in fact, it's not all that. And the biggest problem developers face is time. Devs don't have time to learn Sony's crappy dev tool kit. We've all heard time and time again how much more simple MS's is.

[horndog]

it means in house devs will say crap like that. They are funded by sony. UC2, MGS4,Little big planet and so on. You never seem to hear the same shit from third party devs. All we ever hear from third party devs is just what a bitch it is to program for sony and most of the time games end up looking better on the 360. Funny how that works.

Rage says hi and it looks like Metal Gear rising looks better than MGS4. So what can't be done on who??

BTW my penis is bigger than yours.

[Bobets]

"Metro 2033 will certainly destroy KZ2(a year old game) this time it's true it's gotta be" FAIL.

"Alan wake will most definitely own Uncharted 2 visuals this time it's for real!!" FAIL.

"Halo reach will be teh new graphics king you just wait this time it's 100% certain" FAIL.

"bu bu but teh multiplats Crysis2 and rage will prove teh 360 has the graphics king(cries*)"

http://www.escapistmagazine...

http://www.ps3informer.com/...

360 fanboys GTFO and take your heater box with you.

[N4OGs]

that only has 4 exclusive games and they all shooters lol. Im sorry but I hope x360 fanboys know they are on the wrong side as far as being on the good side of gameing and makeing it be the best it can be.

ps3= good guy justice side. x360= bad guy chaos and failure side.

Theres no other way you can look at it

[SaberEdge]

Ahahahah! You are funny. Just enjoy your console. lol

[ForROME]

Your are young or as smart as forrest gump

[Narutodemonx]

360 sucks that basically what everyone is saying...i'm just trying to be straight with all you guys i dot need to justify what i said because everyone who brings up the Words God of war, uncharted or killzone already prove this article is right.

[xenomorph856]

When this article says that the 360 can't do it the the moment, He means that it requires the next gen xbox. (if there is one)

[ForROME]

This is funny because last gen, PS2 fans laughed and said who needs more power that the Xbox 1 has, if you have lots of good games and a large library like the PS2 right?

This gen, hardware matters to them? Its what makes great games?

Quote me now, if next gen ps4 hardware isnt as good as xbox 720 or whatever it deems to be called, SONY fans will say it doesnt matter

Ignorance is bliss amongst people blind loyalist

[PirateThom]

The thing is though, the PS2, last gen, had the best games and, this gen, the PS3 also has the best games.

It's a wholly irrelevent point since.... PS still has the best games, irrespective of hardware because Sony don't mess around when it comes to software.

[awi5951]

Is because sony spends 2 to 3 times the money on games than microsoft . Look at the budgets of the best looking games for the xbox and ps3. Sony spends twice or 3 times the money on the games than microsoft and dont get half the sales of the 360 games. The fact is you can make a great looking game on 360 for cheap and sony is so desperate to show off they make the most expensive game in history killzone 2 only to have a sales flop. While microsoft and epic games laugh all the way to the bank.

[djfullshred]

Sounds like silly conspiracy theories. Now to talk you off the fanboy ledge...

Both systems have games that look really goood on them. And we should want companies we purchase products from to be "desperate to show off". That is a huge win for us that buy these products they want to show off.

[OutgoingSquall]

No no no stop being in denial graphics are a big deal this gen cause it's the HD format that is becoming the norm noone gives a crap if x-box had better graphics then the ps2 we didn't have HD at the time and the first x-box barely had any games.

Bluray is the evolution of the DVD x-box 360 is a x-box 1.5.

[TheREAL-HyDRo1x]

Can only be done on PS3! You noob!

[Pootangpie]

Sony only uses this stupid copout because they know damn well it's publised by them GOW3 MGS4,UC2 and KZ2 or all Sony property's it has nothing to do with the power of the system itself if that were the case 90% multiplatform still wouldn't look superior on the 360 till this very day similar to how the xbox had no promblem smoking the **** out of the PS2 last gen Nintendo might as well go around saying games like mario galaxy 2 and Zelda skyward sword can only be done on wii

[Enigma_2099]

Probably that it won't fit on a HD DVD...

[horndog]

but sony likes to feed its legions of morons lines like "because of teh 72 corez and super cell precezor power and teh blurayz tech it couldn never be done on teh xxzboxz". It sounds like a mean machine when really its just a bluray player.

[djfullshred]

LOL, just like my PC is just a DVD player...all that computing hardware is a fabrication that doesn't exist. C'mon now, don't be bitter. Both 360 & PS3 are computers with optical drives. Their primary function is computing. Movies are a bonus with optical drives, although DVD has gotten rather long in the tooth, considering it is 15 year old tech.

[Garnett]

"LBP "only possible on PS3".... "and on PSP"

I love how Sony FORCES developers to say that, when its not true. If they make the same game on PSP, then it sure as heck can be put on 360."

Thumbs down if you agree, Thumbs up if you disagree!

[Rageanitus]

the xbox can do all the games on the ps3 but at a smaller scale in terms of level content, the video card is essentially the same gen and horsepower. Ps3 has the advantage of blu-ray giving much less constraints in terms of memory usag.

Having said this alot of the content in ps3 exclusive games cannot be done unless they take half of the content.

[OutgoingSquall]

360 owners are pissed I would be too if I couldn't own god of war 3 mgs4 lbp uncharted 2 ps one classics ff7 ff8 ff9 crash bandicoot 1-3 tomb raider 1-4 blu Ray movies there is too many exclusives to name for real my point is I understand why 360 only owners hate there broke and made the wrong choice.

[Garnett]

Nice to see people agreeing with my last post!

[ACEMANWISE]

1) Do DTS Master Audio
2) Do High Definition 7.1 Surround
3) Use high performance Harddrives
4) Do MMOs (i.e. MAG)
5) Do a Full Color Spectrum
6) Use Real 3D Technology
7) Integrate with a handheld
8) Use a Printer
9) Use 7 controllers
10)Allow Game Sharing
11)Do Video Editing and Upload
12)Do Motion Controller (i.e. Sixaxis)
13)Do Internet
14)Compare in Graphic Detail (i.e. Uncharted 2)
15)Compare in Racing Realism or Detail (i.e Gran Turismo 5)
16)Compare in Emotional Story Telling (i.e Heavy Rain)
17)Compare in Game Creativity (i.e. LittleBigPlanet)
18)Compare in Realism (i.e Killzone 2)
19)Compare in Hardcore (i.e Demon Souls)
20)Compare in Gaming Passion/Art (i.e Last Guardian/Heavenly Sword/Valkryia Chronicles

[lazysey]

So if it can be done on PS3 and XBOX 360, then any PS3 exclusive can be done on 360 and vice versa.

Also, who has better games? 360.
Who has better looking games? i GUESS PS3 now.

At the end of the day, I'm playing Modern Warfare 2.

[PirateThom]

You should try playing a game that is actually good.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

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[lazysey]

Oh I do, the other day i was playing Killzone 2 but only 60 people were on in my region. Damn, the millions of psn users on Modern Warfare 2 clearly dont indicate whether it holds it ground as a good game or not. Or more likely youre going to say that ps3 owners are a majority of uneducated casual individuals and I can certainly agree to an extent of that. And Ill go as far to say I bought my ps3 for BLU-RAY playback. But I LOVE Modern Warfare 2 kind sir.

[Sirik8]

Killzone 3d, Uncharted 3, and Infamous 2. Combine them all and still will have lower sells than Halo Reach. Why keep dumping money into fail technology, when block-buster titles become bargain bin material. God of wack, suppose to be the biggest system seller, fail. Sonys done this gen. 5 mil behind. GT will not help either. Japan doesnt care about graphics! They like Pikachu type crap. Thats Sonys headquarters. Sony just Move to the next thing please.