Kombo: For a single guy w/ all consoles: Motion Plus is cheapest, Kinect most expensive

Kombo writes: "A lot of hardcore gamers (aka: awesome dudes) want to get their waggle on. For this chart we've made a few assumptions. The hardcore gamer bought all three consoles at launch and has waited until this moment to make a decision on which motion controller he would settle on.

To help guys like that decide we've put together another chart that will compare the cost of Wii Motion Plus, Kinect, and Move controllers."

[deadreckoning666]

I like how the guy doesn't include the Navigation Controller for Move. Nor does he include the 2nd Move controller needed to play certain Move games in the future. While you don't need the Nav controller..its required if you want to have the BEST experience. The point of the article is to figure out how much it will cost for a single person to have the "BEST waggle" experience.

LOL, did he just compare Sports Champions to a random $50 sports game????

"The best experience for which games? Ones that don't use it yet?"

Ur gunna want the nav controller if you want to have the best experience with Socom 4 on the Move...unless ur a chimpanzee and ur hands are big enough to hold the DS3 in a way thats awkard and uncomfortable for humans. If the DS3 was the best option...the Nav controller would't have been created.

Also, u NEED a 2nd motion controller to play the Fight: Lights Out. You might not get it at launch, but if ur devoted to Playstation Move...ur gunna want that second controller at some point since more and more games will require two Move controllers as time goes on.

"And Sports Champions seems on par with Wii Sports."

I agree..but how is Sports Champions/Wii Sports being compared to some random $50 sports game.

[joeyda]

The best experience for which games? Ones that don't use it yet?

And Sports Champions seems on par with Wii Sports.

[HolyOrangeCows]

"Nor does he include the 2nd Move controller needed to play certain Move games in the future"
So....you expect people to buy a second controller for nothing because there will be titles in after the launch date that require it? Sorry, buddy, the initial price for move is still $90. And even with the second, it would be cheaper than the current estimated Kinect price.

And if the SIXAXIS/DS3 is too heavy for your dainty hands, cry about it.

[JeffGrubb]

You can use a Dual Shock controller, which I'm sure most "awesome dudes" would be totally ok with.

Also, Kinect sports isn't a random sports game, it is the equivalent to Sports Champions and Wii Sports/Resort.

[Tony-A]

Even with the $100 Move bundle, a Nav and another Move, Kinect would still be the most expensive....??

Even more, he's detailing one game each, with the Move's being SC and Kinect being Kinect Sports. SC doesn't need another Move or Nav. Works with one.

"I agree..but how is Sports Champions/Wii Sports being compared to some random $50 sports game."

MS is promoting KS as the Wii Sports of Kinect. Obviously they're not saying that, but it's Sports, Sports, Sports. How is that random?

[joeyda]

The edit button like quadrupled the length of your comment...

[blue7xx7]

I'm not sure yet but doesn't Kinect also have a game included with it. I saw a story here in N4G that said it does a few weeks ago.

[dtalon3]

I am pretty sure kinect doesn't even have a price yet so this whole article is pointless...unless you just want to compare wii and move (aside from the fact that the d-bag who wrote the article didnt include the navigation controller)

[shwiggity]

first you xbox fanboys complain about the dualshock being too small, now all of a sudden you need "chimpanzee hands" to hold the thing, your arguments fail bud

[XactGamer]

It cost $180+ for the full Move experience http://www.gametrailers.com... and we still don't have a price for Kinect to compare. For motion controls right now Wii is still the best option.

[beardpapa]

I disagree. The whole point of this motion-control battle is for 1:1. You only need to demonstrate 1:1 motion control using the Move controller, and in the case of the Wii you'd need the Motion+. This motion-control war has never been about how many people you can invite to your next Mario Party event, or how many Move controllers you'd need to play Sports Champion.

You might as well say the gamecube was the most expensive console ever because for the "best" experience, you'd need 4 GBA-to-GC cables, 4 GBAs, a GC, and the FF Crystal Chronicle game. Now all of a sudden, instead of arguing about which motion control has 1:1, the media is bringing up which is the cheapest with all the necessary accessories? Might as well put in those cheapo-plastic steering wheel accessories too. F#cked up if you ask me.

[vhero]

I like how you fanboys are trying to push up the price of move to justify the price of Kinect. Insecure much?

[Kill Crow]

That graphic excludes a few things worth noting.

Once you buy the Kinect, you have all the pieces. So let's go the next step for the single guy. He wants to play Child of Eden on his Kinect - he just buys the game. But he wants to play the brawler game on Move. He has to go out and buy *another* Move wand for $49, bringing it up to $150. Then he wants to play Sorcery. He needs a Navigational Sub Controller or whatever at $29 which is not included in the 99 package as far as I know. While you can use the DS3 as a Nav controller, it's unwieldy and uncomfortable to hold a two-hand controller one-handed.

[Theonik]

Take a dualshock and hold it sideways on your hand with the thumb on the analogue stick and your index on the top triggers not uncomfortable at all...

[morganfell]

He did say single guys which was to say solo players. If you want to bring up the second Move controller when not every game requires it then we should also consider that some Kinect features do not function without Live Gold membership.

The difference of course is that you buy a second move controller one time yet you must buy Live every year.

Hmmm, what would 4 years of Live get you in terms of Move controllers....

[SixZeroFour]

the one thing i learned in physics was that, when comparing objects, both sides must be equivalent...in this case, if you are trying to compare the motion controls, then you have to have it come out as $/person

seeing as how kinect can handle ATLEAST 2 ppl and a max of 4 ppl, you have to find its value for one person, which is approx $38-75 including the game would come to about $88-125 (still most expensive IF the max is 2 players per kinect/console, equal to move at 3 players and cheaper than move if 4 players max)

however, as the article also mentioned, you have to note that the final price and bundle hasnt even been confirmed or denied yet, so comparisons like this is utterly pointless

[Theonik]

Microsoft's official store has now listed kinect at 150$.

[callahan09]

The second Move controller may be required for the BEST experience in some games. I mean, it's never required, according to the Sony, at least not for any of the launch games (some games in the future may be programmed with the requirement, but as of now, none REQUIRE it). But I would much rather play Sports Champions, for instance, with two instead of one. The nav controller, though? For me personally, it's completely unnecessary. Come on, guys, don't you use the controller one-handed? I do it all the time, like if I'm eating while playing the game, or talking on the phon, or really during a lot of different moments in a game. If I'm doing stuff that only requires one of my hands, I often hold the controller with just that hand. I dunno. It's always been natural to me to hold the controller in my left hand and walk around in the game with the left thumb-stick. I mean, the nav controller is certainly going to be more comfortable for longer sessions, but I can personally use the controller in one hand with no troubles.

[Donny]

good article expects dissagrees from this xbox fanboy following me.

[Gene]

Lmao

[Bathyj]

I have a camera and a DS3 so move would be very cheap for me.

[Rainstorm81]

me too i have the PS eye and DS3 but it all comes down to what games i have if i need extra move wands

[SolidSystem]

40 for camera
30 for nave (sorry low balled that one, its 30 not 20)
50 each move controller

so 100 in move controllers (you need 2 move for boxing and other games they have showed)
40 for the camera

that is your minimum to play every move game as a single guy.

140 dollars. really close to kinect huh?

add in 20 for navigation if you dont want to use the DS3 in 1 hand.

both are in the same price range. stop this fanboy bs.

[bviperz]

I've been saying for a while that it's all about the games.

[SolidSystem]

have the balls to bring a counter argument. everything i have listed is fact and might be off in the pricing of the camera and nav controller a bit.

its not my fault if you gamers cant do math.

@BViperz glad you have an IQ higher than the average joe on this site. I'm getting both because i believe in both, and like both. I want to see great games and not miss out on a thing. its why i have a 360 slim next to my ps3 slim, next to my black wii.

[vhero]

The thing about move is you dont have to buy both controllers at once. At no point are you forced to buy them both as most games will allow one with a dualshock. I don't know about you buy buying my controllers seperate over time is a lot more acceptable than a big lump sum of 150 (which is the price of a console!) for an accessory. No Single accesory should be the price of a console no matter what it does.

[beardpapa]

You can get the eye for cheaper on amazon.

[Biggest]

We aren't here to shop like informed consumers. This is all about making the other console look bad. The way I see it is:

The Kinect costs well over $12,000. You factor in the probable $150 price tag, the $50-$60 game, and the $11,900 doctor bill when the excessive jumping around kills your grandmother.

[jneul]

nice bias you can save a whole load of money by getting the starter kit and then and any extra controllers if you want them, so in the uk I will be getting the £50 starter kit(1X camera, 1xmove, 1xgame) + 1xmove which will cost me £85, then I can pass the controller around until I can afford more controllers(for party play):P:P

[lelo2play]

@SolidSystem

Congrats... you have one the few comments that makes sense in all of these comments.

[I Play Games]

If you are single...and have no friends

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[matt247]

Kinect is for 4 people, Move for 4 people would cost $340 and some games use 2 remotes or nunchucks, so that would cost even more.

[ElitaStorm]

why do i have to bring 4 people into my room jumping around like a rabbit, no thanks

[snp]

Until either party actually shows games to be played simultaneously with 4 players, that's really just a hypothetical.

Besides which, we have no idea what will be needed to play such games if they do/did eventuate.

Wasn't there an article a day or so back saying Kinect games will use a combination of just the system, and for some more comprehensive games will also require controllers?

People swore black and blue this was nothing new, that MS planned it all the way and anyone and everyone fully expected the Kinect to be but a part of the broad control 'arrangement' for some games.

Now it seems, when it's time to promote it's cost advantage versus Move, Kinect is back to again being a distinct one item product, fully independent, while Move is priced with every and any permutation of controller arrangements (or potential arrangements, for hypothetical games which haven't been shown to exist) that could feasibly, possibly exist.

I swear there's an inconsistency there.

[shwiggity]

not if rumours are to be believed, ppl are saying kinect only supports 2 ppl which is quite ridiculous

[beardpapa]

I think several news articles have confirmed kinect only allows 2 people at at time.

Edit: I'm curious... how many of you with a Wii that actually has 4-player games (Mario Party for example or Smash bros) actually have 4 controllers? Me I only have 1 set. Usually when people want to play smash bros or whatever, they bring their controllers along.

[ElitaStorm]

i will buy move even if the price is to high, kinect is not for me cuz iam not fat, sorry microsoft don't take It personal lawl.

[LedZeppelin]

When the hell will mgs2 and mgs3 hd classic come to the ps3?

[boer]

I would buy ps2 and eyetoy for my kids. So it will be approx 120$ and games are cheep as well now. So they will have kinect like toy and clasic ps2 games ;-)

No seriously I think Sony needs to relese ps2 eye toy bundle with best old eyetoy games - kinetic, antigrav etc and just sell it arround 100-120$ next to kinect. (and also big Kinetic on box ;-)

[ElitaStorm]

buy them the game called 'Kinetic' its from 2006,

i wonder who is the ripoff O.o

[boer]

Yeah i played that game on my ps2 before i switched to first ps3 model.
I still don't understand why sony didn't released ps3 version. Only game which i like on kinect is that fitness game but as i said it will be better deal to buy ps2 and give it to kids as well as a start. And i more prefer to look to me during this kind of game than ghost like wii fit or fireman like from fantastic four kinect.
Major point of that post was that sony should make microsoft run for customer money with that ps2 bundle as console with games for same price as kinect alone.

[IronFistChinMi]

So the author plans on staying single and friendless? Each to their own.

[Garnett]

I thought hardcore nerds hated motion controls?

[anonymouse111335]

then MS/Sony made them cool.

it's only a gimmick until your favorite company releases a knockoff!

[proper_kill]

Thinking that I will be picking up move despite the expenses. Why? Well, I'm kind of a Sony fan boy, I like the physical presence of the controller, and the Wii just isn't for me.

[xxLuckyStrike]

Still trying to debunk Kinect with every last ounce of hate they have...and still the casuals fail to hear your desperate crys....

[labwarrior]

4 sticks = 50$x4 = 200$
Now, if the game needs 2 sticks for each gamer = 8 sticks = 400$

4 nav controllers = 30$x4= 120$

1 PSEye = 50$

So, 400$+120$+50$ = 570$

[jerander]

they already said there will never be a 4 person or a 3 person game that requires each person to have 2 sticks each. and the nav controlers are pointless. so actual total price for any one that knows anything about move is.

100 initial bundle+ 50 stick+ 50 stick + 50 stick= $250

for people with your intelligence price level = $570

and for anyone that actually thinks $150 is going to be the final price for a full hardcore natal gaming experience has another thing coming. Companies are already talking about their own wands and nav controlers to work with natal so they can put out hardcore natal games. To bad those controllers will only work with one game. or is M$ actually going to release some?

[rekof]

like most party games work on hot seat principle,.. Where people pass around controllers ,.. and compete for score and shit,,..

Idiota,..

Like I am really so dumb to own 4 wiimotes and 4 nunchaks,.. or something ,.. You make no sense,..

Im most party games You will need 1-2 Move dildos,..

Is this shit expensive,..Fuck yes it is,..
Why would you want to buy everything at once,..

I am geting Move dildo,.. maybe nunchack,.. Ovw the camera,..
Augmented reality for the kid,.. And really 3d mouse Socom4 experience 4 me,..

If anything,.. tell me how much money have you spent on your broken shitty ass Ms product,.. online included,.

And for the casuals 99bundle Is all they need really,..

And for the doubters,.. Fuck motion,.. I want Move because it is a 3D Mouse,.. (though wii-tennis and golf fucking owns,.. and there are alot of wii games that use it in an awesome way,..

[Kal1138]

He should have included the navigation controller for the Move and a second Move. Although those 2 aren't 100% required (although Motion Fighter, or whatever that's called, DOES require 2 Move controller and Socom 4, Killzone 3 etc, require the navigation controller). Even if you decide to use the DS3 instead, you'll definitely want 2nd Move controller.

As for Kinect. It's 150$ WITH a game. It's listed as one of the items of the box and it has also been reported by various sites. I'm guessing it'll be Kinect Sports, but either way, it comes with a game.

So, Kinect isn't that expensive after all and Move isn't that cheap. Even if you're the only one at home playing videogames, you also have to consider the fact that with one Kinect you'll be able to play 2 player games.

[rekof]

you can use dualshock as nub,.. that is half assed ,..but you can,..

Yes ,.. But shit doesnt seem to work natatall,.. :)

And with wiimote I can play (actually core games,..)

You think original wiimote is unresponsive,.. Wiimote,..
Is like Light years ahead of this kinetic MS Fucking you allover again,.. Like they have this whole generation,..
And even before buy selling you a shitty MS os for 2 decades, at ridiculous prices..

At least Windows7 Is stable,..

[Kal1138]

I didn't say Kinect works good (even though they still have time to fix things and I haven't even tried it). I actually think they really need to fix it before its November release.

I didn't mention the Wiimote. I didn't say you can't play core games with it, or that you can play core games with Kinect. Kinect will only be used as an extra in core games.

I didn't say the Wiimote is unresponsive, but then again, like I said above, I didn't even mention the Wiimote.

I have no idea what any MS OS has to do with this.

[rekof]

well I agreed,.. (if that means something to yo so I do not look like being an ass, just because,.. someone else disagrees with you)

Look how I see It,..
What has MSos have to do with it,.. When you have a privilege to study corporate history and decision making paradigms they employ,.. I understand free market economy ,.. But somethings MS did and does, must be disturbing even to most laissez faire, social darwinistic economists,..

I have enough time atm,.. so I kinda feel I have a moral obligation, when I see they are deploying the same shit they have done in the past,. To say ,.. Fuck you MS ! If that is how entire western economics would operate,.. God help us all!

[Gene]

Pseye is cool to have and it's cheap and you feel like you should have paid more cause you can lots of things with it too lazy to type them I'll type one video chat.

[00000000000000000001]

If you purchase everything and the charge station, you end up with the same cost. 1 player = Sony Move = $149. 4 player = MS Kinect $149.

[gamer7804]

...for a single guy with no friends who plans to only play the move alone.

[0oAngeluso0]

There is no Kinect price.
Move is $130 if you get the whole thing, including the sub controller. If you already have a Wii, then your set with that.
Not sure what the point is for this article.

[snp]

Why would you be already be set with a Wii? Different system, different set of games, different quality of hardware, and different level of accuracy and (including the eye) range of possibilities from the peripheral hardware. That comment is as obnoxious as someone saying if you've got an exercise video and a rug for the carpet, then you are set with that and don't need a Kinect (and can even play 5 player!).

And with all due respect 'if you get the whole thing' doesn't and won't apply to everyone. The Eye has been out for quite a while and will be unnecessary to repurchase for many, and many will play a wait and see regarding how comfortable the arrangement is with a duelshock etc before going out to buy additional controllers (should they even need them). If they decide they need them they'll buy them as small (cost) single item additions - an easier proposition than buying an expensive single piece at all at once.

I think the article is calling it a bit early, but i'm guessing it's 'point' was to call out that other silly article pimping how cheap Kinect is for 4 players (never mind that no games have been demonstrated using 4 players) versus a full assortment of 4 sets of move controllers.

[kwyjibo]

Because no single guy is ever going to want some motion control gimmick.

Although I'm sure the PS3 and 360 losers will proclaim how awesome their new stick is, even though they've spent years criticising the Wii.

Well, no hypocrisy from me, Motion Control is worthless and so are those pointless 3D screens.

[snp]

Of course. Why would a single guy want a superior (more accurate) way to play a single player fps game...

Junky games make for junky controllers. The better games on Wii demonstrate it's controllers can be simply more comfortable and more intuitive (holding hands together in masturbatory position on lap over a one piece controller, with thumbs two inches apart isn't exactly natural, or comfortable for that matter, no matter how much it's the status quo). It's bad games just tend to make you waggle inaccurately.

[tiamat5]

The ignorance of gamers makes me wonder if video games are really bad for your mind. A SINGLE guy they said. A single person would not necessarily need a 2nd controller or a nav. He would only need a the camera and the Move Wand. If he really doesn't want to buy the nav he can use the DS3.That only adds up to $80.00 since they also said he has all three consoles. So unless the Kinect is less then $80.00 (which i doubt since they said the production cost is higher then that)it is the cheaper of the the two motion devices.