Submitted by UNCyrus 2297d ago | article

The PS3's Full Potential: A Breakdown

The Power Review: It has been long rumored that developers have not been taking full advantage of the Playstation 3's extra capabilities, but is there any proof of this? Many gamers and press say that there isn't any proof that the Playstation 3 has more capabilities than the 360. However, there have been slight hints that the PS3 does have a little more power than the 360. If you look at the top graphical games in certain genres that are comparable, but the PS3 games leads the way with its exclusives versus 360 exclusives and even compared to multiplatform games (Culture, PS3, Xbox 360)

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manwich25  +   2297d ago
On the count of 3 let the trolling begin.



UNCyrus  +   2297d ago
the sad thing is... it's not even a fanboy article... it's a breakdown of resolution and framerate stats on various titles...

but nevertheless, there is going to be trolling
50CALheadshot  +   2297d ago
lol. Gamers have known this for a while.
He makes good points, but these articles mean s#it regardless of being pro or anti ps3.

PS3 exclusives speak for themselves. Sony's actions speak for themselves:

Provide PREMIER next gen content not available anywhere else.

Isnt that what we as gamers want anyway? Were playing titles previously labeled "NOT CAPABLE ON CONSOLES"......haterz are stuck playing sales.
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thebudgetgamer  +   2297d ago
@manwich25 - harumph harumph harumph
blah blah blah. something unintelligible. technical jargon but i dont know nothing. so shut up cause you dont know what youre talking about.

marinelife9  +   2297d ago
Hence the reason why I don't buy any third party games. If the developer didn't take care to make it the best it could be then I'll give my money to a developer who did.
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JeffGUNZ  +   2297d ago
I really don't think anyone is dumb enough to actually think that there is no difference in graphics. It's obvious that the PS3 has the capabilities to produce better graphics. It's clear that KZ2 is the best graphics I have ever seen on a console. The PS3 is suppose to have the best graphics, hence it's better hardware/tech. I was hoping this article would prove more than just graphics and show more capabilities of the PS3 that we haven't seen yet or should expect to see. I purchased a 360 this generation and I have no remorse at all. But come on people, the PS3 is the superior console in graphics. Also, why was this article posted in the 360 section? Who cares if it compares 360 graphics, this is mainly a PS3 related article. N4G come on, stop promoting fanboy wars.
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Gue1  +   2297d ago
Well @Le Chance, I don't know what games have you been seeing but inFamous does look miles away better than GTA4...
ultimolu  +   2297d ago
La Chance, are you seriously comparing Infamous with GTAIV?

Are you seriously kidding me?

Maybe you can provide some evidence that shows you know what the hell you're talking about?

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Chuk_Chuk  +   2297d ago
@La chance
because this is sucker punches first game on the PS3 and still on the start of the learning curve.

I have not been watching to many infamous vids (got examscoming and need to conecntrate) so don't know how well the graphics look but will compare them as soon as i start watching them
Hallucinate  +   2297d ago
gta 4 looks like crap maybe the most overrated game graphics wise with a sub par fps infamous on the other hand looks about average but with constant sezuire size lights with out a sing frame drop...so uh yea infamous did outdo gta4
darkpower  +   2297d ago
@La Chance
1. GTA4 was dumbed down on the 360 to be put onto one disc, and because MS demanded that they get the same quality game as the PS3 version would have...
2. How can you KNOW how Infamous works if it isn't even OUT yet? It releases (officially) on the 26th.
3. Wait...so you're saying you even OWN a PS3 and can legitimately MAKE those claims?

Oh, and the reason you're not getting any of the "fanboy" crowd: they ignore you. Reading what I'm responding to, I don't think I have to ask WHY!

EDIT@below: Obviously you never read any of the answers (either that or you didn't like any of them), and you were trying to get people to respond so you could berate them and call them fanboys. You whined because no one was answering you, yet you are whining because you got the answers you got. PICK ONE! YOU were the one wanting us "fanboys" (using the term YOU gave, which you give to anyone who doesn't agree with you) to answer you so promptly.

Oh, and again, how do you KNOW that Infamous won't if you never PLAYED it yet? We never said that GTA4 was crap. We're saying that it wasn't what it could've been because of MS wanting to have their way. Of course, YOU counter with "With no 360 holding it back Infamous should look AT LEAST twice as good and be twice as big as GTA4.AT LEAST...That obviously will not be the case." Again, if you haven't played it, then how do you KNOW this WILL be the case. You're posting your opinion, about something you don't know anything about anyway, as fact. I'm not saying it will or won't, but where did you actually PLAY the damn game to be able to form that opinion?

Then again, there's no use talking to a fvcking brick WALL, is there?
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raztad  +   2297d ago
Heavily disagree with you La Chance.

inFAMOUS is not just some good textures and NPCs walking around, as in GTA4. inFAMOUS does much more in any single heated firefight than GTA4 in the whole game. Look at the lighting (inFAMOUS is about electricity, you remember?), everything is climbable, all the particles and effects going in the screen, etc etc. Hardly GTA4 is able to get closer to inFAMOUS technical achievement. Those games are in different levels.
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XXXCouture  +   2297d ago
LaChance - Im not disagreeing with you or anything, but remember GTA had a higher budget than Infamous. Maybe that has something to do with it
thebudgetgamer  +   2297d ago
it's more then just graphical power
it's huge firefights in killzone and r2. the amazing physics in little big planet, the grass in flower. gameplay > graphics.

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Hallucinate  +   2297d ago
god you really dont listen do you? as some already stated gta4 had a huuuge budget
ToastyMcNibbles  +   2297d ago
come on chance you should be smarter than that...i do feel infamous achieves things better on a technical level compared to gta 4 but keep in mind this is sucker punch's first game on the ps3 and correct me if im wrong im not sure but i think this is the first time they've tackled an open world game whereas rockstar are pros by now with open world games
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Ninver  +   2297d ago
Reason 1: Developer sucks

Reason 2: Unreal Engine sucks on the ps3

Reason 3: M$ paid to have it run worst lol. I actually wouldn't be suprised if they did.

Frankly all the games i'm getting this year are ps3 exclusives. You see i'm not a delusional fool, i know when my money is well spent. Just like a couple of people have stated on n4g, ps3 owners just have expensive taste for quality. Weak developers will suffer defeat.
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RememberThe357  +   2297d ago
La Chance
You really don't listen, but I can kind of understand. a ton of people telling you your wrong all the time can make it start to seem like the gown-ups in Peanuts.

I will have to respectfully disagree with your comment about GTA4 and Infamous. To me GTA4 was not a bad game at all, but the game didn't seem nearly as deep as San Andreas. That gives the impression that it was held back from what it could have been.

In the case of Infamous, I think it does a lot more then GTA4. Graphically its superior. Gameplay wise, it seems superior from the demo. I'm not sure about the story, but I think GTA4 will have that on Infamous.

I personally think that Infamous will be better then GTA4. If you don't, that's fine, to each his own.

@Dirty: What are you talking about?
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phosphor112  +   2297d ago
2 Easy things to compare when it comes to GTA4 and Infamous
Blow up 10 cars in Infamous, vs blowing up 1 car in GTA. The FPS WILL DROP SIGNIFICANTLY on GTA4, while FPS will stay steady on Infamous.

Infamous has no dithering when it comes to graphics, while GTA4 has a lot of it.

@ DirtyBeaver

Actually UE3 engine has proven itself on the PS3. Look at UT3 on PS3. It is almost comparable to Gears 2. Same amount of AA, texture filtering..and actually..less pop up.
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cereal_killa  +   2297d ago
"I remember PS3 fanboys crying that the 360 held back GTA 4 because of dvd9 and inferior hardware"

"On PS3, you've got a guarantee that every machine is going to have a hard-drive and, with Blu-ray, you've got plenty of storage," said Rockstar creative VP Dan Houser. "[W]hereas on Xbox 360 there's no guarantee of a hard-drive and you're working with the DVD format."

No it wasn't the fanboys it was R* themselves that said it and the fanboys were only repeating what was said if your going to try and use facts in your argument at least know what your talking about.

Can anyone answer why people would go out and buy a system but do nothing but bash the living crap out of it. I just cant understand some of you people who by the showing of there comment history crap on the PS3/360 but yet you claim you own one or the other doe this make you a justifiable Gamer to waist money on a system you never plan on playing in the first place?
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xwabbit  +   2297d ago
La Chance have u even played infamous LOL, do u even know how much stuff u can do in that game that u cant in gta4 ? And fan boys weren't the ones who said 360 hold gta 4 from being better it was rockstar them self's LOL PWNT. Go elsewhere 360 loyalist.

BTW it wasn't rockstar only
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Persistantthug  +   2297d ago
@ 1.21,cereal_killa
Thanks for the link, I had never seen that before....probably cause I'm fairly new around here.....thanks though. :)

Hydrolex  +   2297d ago
Uncharted 2 X 2 = PS3 Full potential
nuff said
thewhoopimen  +   2297d ago
Save your breath. If you dont' have a ps3, there isn't much claim you can make that anyone would believe.

Personally, I have GTAIV (for ps3) and played the copy of the demo of Infamous. The textures are FAR sharper on Infamous than in gta IV. The draw distance is about the same. The HDR lighting available in Infamous is far better. The NPC charcs in Infamous aren't quite as refined as those in GTAIV, but the enemy AI is far better in Infamous AND mo-capped on top of it. Motion capture is available on both main characters in GTAIV and Infamous, but the Infamous main charc has far more movement variety, better movement transitions (changing direction, shifting, etc.)

GTAIV seems to have better city traffic modeling (with cars and drivers) than infamous and a better cop AI. In infamous regular drivers just sit in the car, even if attacked, but in GTAIV they do run out and away. However, Infamous models crowd control and mobbing is impressive.

Sound is very very good in Infamous both music and effects. Its 7.1 vs stereo obviously. Physics interactions on-screen are FAR and AWAY better.
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Raptors  +   2297d ago
I disagree with the Halo lighting comment. No question, KZ's lighting is top notch, but at the same time the lighting in Halo was no slouch. Graphically, I definitely expected more from Halo, but from a lighting perspective I've always thought that bungie did a good job.
cmrbe  +   2297d ago
Le Chance
I don't know if you think people are stupid or you are just ignorant.

GTA4 had a reported budget of 100 million with more than 500 devs working on it.

Infameous had 65 devs working on it with an undisclosed budget but i would imagine it wouldn't be more than 30 million. If it was more than KZ2 budget we would have heard about it by now.

Le Chance you have a very simple mind. Just because a game is a PS3 exclsuive dosen't automatically means it will be better than Multi-plats no. It depends on the talent/resources use for the project.

Seriously, I can't believe i had to explain this. Anyone with common sense would know this already.
pain777pas  +   2297d ago
Truth is that the ports are far from unplayable so it does not matter. In some cases you wont see the difference unles viewing 2 screens side by side. The devs are doing it because they can get away with it. Really RE5 is in all honesty is almost identical and it would be nitpicking to start to force devs to release games alot further out of their and the publishers schedule. We heard it from the x-call of duty guys before it took 4 guys to port one of their games to the PS3. I don't doubt their talented but there is a margin for error and corner cutting so I'll just leave it at that.
pain777pas  +   2297d ago
@Stew- You're right MGS3 is a really good looking game and it suprises me that it holds up too well even today which is kinda sad.
Kleptic  +   2297d ago
these arguments are far more simple than they end up being...

it breaks down like this...if and when the 360 gets a game as good, or better looking, on a technical level, than killzone 2...the doors to this debate have credibility again...

as it stands now...they don't...the 360 does not HAVE A SINGLE title, either released or having been shown, that stands with killzone 2...and I used killzone 2 as it is the standard by which all other console visuals are compared right now...overall...nothing released yet looks better...and the only thing on the immediate horizon set to look better..are...guess what?...more PS3 exclusives...

now argue all you want about why killzone 2 looks better than everything else...or why Uncharted 2 looks to top even killzone 2...or why some insiders simply shat their pants when watching new footage of Heavy Rain...or Jaffe murdering his family after seeing GoW III...maybe it simply is Sony putting money in the right places...they've built their development empire up over the past 20 years more or less...MS is very young in this industry compared to Sony, which is clearly illustrated by their complete lack of 1st party content...and desperate 'keep us around' tactics like buying up DLC or forcing games to go multiplatform...

maybe its that, instead of the PS3 simply being more powerful...the PS3 has strengths, particularly in lighting and physics based rendering...and the 360 has strengths in AA and shader intense processing...the PS3 definitely isn't head and shoulders above the 360 like Sony told everyone...but it definitely has some potential in terms of hardware, and a smarter parent company, that the 360 simply lacks...

so the 'why' is irrelevant...what matters is that the PS3 HAS and WILL continue to get the best looking games for the remainder of this generation...the 360 will also get some great looking titles, but nothing that will go toe to toe with games that are set to release this year...sorry...but there is no realistic evidence to counter that...and until there is...consider it fact...
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edgeofblade  +   2297d ago
I love it when someone argues Sony's first-party "speaks for itself". Are you honestly arguing a self-evident position on a highly subjective matter?

I'm just going to start ignoring idiots...

Kleptic, that goes for you. Killzone 2 has already dropped off most people's radar. I'm certainly enjoying it. I play online almost every night. But it didn't click with everyone. So, it really doesn't matter how good it looks if no one else wants to play it.

This isn't the Academy Awards where a pretty, dramatic piece of crap gets the nod because it meets some pedigree. This is the market place, and the consumers decide whats up to snuff, not you in your faux-ivory tower.
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lowcarb  +   2296d ago
At the moment PS3 games in my eyes seems to be destroying 360 as far as lightning, shadows, and graphics are concerned. I was with you, but then all of the sudden you made the claim that "what matters is that the PS3 HAS and WILL continue to get the best looking games for the remainder of this generation". You see you might just be correct, but until this gen is over or this year is over we just wont know. Why is it when Gears1, PGR3, and a few other launch titles looked better than anything on PS3 you guys didn't talk crap then? 2008 up until E3 was nothing more than a slow revamp period for MS. At E3 anything could happen and as far as we know they could release footage of a few games that bury KZ2 and even UC2.
Traveler  +   2296d ago
I do think that so far the PS3 has some of the best looking games. But like I have said in previous posts, I don't really think the difference between the consoles' graphical performance potential is as significant as some people believe.

Both consoles are actually pretty similar in many ways, with each having a few unique strengths over the other. The PS3 does have a decent bit more CPU power to work with and with Sony's stable of developments studios they have the talent to really take advantage of that extra power.

But the differences aren't as great as between the PS2 and Xbox last generation and ultimately what really matters more than anything is how the consoles' strengths are utilized.
navysealrb  +   2296d ago
someone say BREAK DOWN!

Related video
Kleptic  +   2296d ago

PGR3 looked better than games on the PS3 when it released?...GTHD, which was a PS2 based game (yeah, look it up...that game entirely used the GT4 engine, with a bump from 1080i to 1080p...the PS2 could literally render that game in 1080i...all you needed was component cables to display it) looked better than any 360 racing game at the time...PGR4 is arguably the best looking now I guess, but GTHD topped even Forza 3 in head to head comparisons back in 2007...

either way...I more or less meant 'continue' in the context of whats on the horizon...at least for whats been announced...its PS3 games all over the place...360 games no where to be found...we hear left and right that SC:Conviction will show us what the 360 can do...or Alan Wake will rearrange how we look at real time gaming graphics...but its all been air so far...if and when the 360 actually lives up to these claims...i'll believe it...i'm just saying that there has been no evidence shown so far to support the claims of the 360 topping the PS3 visually...or even matching it yet...


dude...I don't care if 4 people played killzone 2 total...that doesn't change the fact that its the best looking game on any console...ever made...period...when the gaming media UNANIMOUSLY declares it as the most impressive console game on a technical level...thats it...fanboys will argue about that to no end...that doesn't matter...anyone realistic about the matter understands that the game does things that no other title has done so far...if you are some how trying to bring sales into this...I don't know why you are going that direction, nor will I even start to argue against that...sales or popularity mean nothing in this context...
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ultimolu  +   2297d ago
Very interesting article. It had good facts, backed them up and provided a legitimate question for people to really think about.
chaosatom  +   2297d ago
Yep, multiplatform developers
are not using the ps3 to its full extent.

When will developers learn to start on the ps3 and then port the game. *sigh*
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Lou-Cipher  +   2297d ago
La Chance
First of all, Infamous graphically looks miles better than GTA4, and if you don't think the DVD held back GTA4 then ask yourself:

1) Why is there a lack of automobiles/boats in GTA4 when compared to GTA San Andreas & Vice City?
2) Why is there a lack of Planes/Jets/Helicopters in GTA 4 when compared to GTA San Andreas & Vice City?
3) Why is there a lack of size in in GTA 4 when compared to GTA San Andreas & Vice City?
4) Why was there a lack of features (RPG style elements and other)in GTA 4 when compared to GTA San Andreas & Vice City?

Games are not Movies, they are supposed to get better with the sequels not worst.

If San Andreas took almost an entire DVD, then why with the addition of multiplayer, next gen graphics, and next gen sound would it be possible to add all the new features of GTA4 with all of the old features of all the past GTA games onto a single DVD. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.

Its not your fault that GTA 4 sucks compared to the previous GTA games, its Microsoft's fault for not adopting HD-DVD or Blu-ray as their format for the 360. Stop trying to trick yourself into believing that the DVD isn't hurting games this generation.
koolkeith1224  +   2297d ago
dont sleep on metal gear solid 4 and resistance 2
i think msg4 looks better than gears, and resistance 2 looks better than halo as well
40cal  +   2297d ago
The proof is in the pudding.
Metal Gear Solid 4 is proof in almost every way that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360. Resistance 2 with out a doubt looks better than Halo 3 and supports 5 times more players online and has 10 times more going on at any given time.

Other examples that the PS3 is more powerful. Little Big Planet, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword and have you guys seen the upcoming titles Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, and God of War III?

Or how about MAG with it's ridiculous 256 player maps? What dose the 360 have now or upcoming that proves the PS3 is not more powerful? That's right ladies and gentlemen, nothing.
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table  +   2297d ago
there are games on the ps2 that look better than Halo3... GoW2, Black and MGS3 all look better.
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cereal_killa  +   2297d ago
"Or how about MAG with it's ridiculous 256 player maps?"

Lets wait and see this when the game is actually released I'm not saying it wont be possible but even I'm a little skeptical on this one I really hope I get proved wrong because it sounds like M.A.G. will be one sick game to play.
36T  +   2297d ago
I'm hearing things
All i'm hearing from all of you pro-PS3 posters is that ALL PS3 exclusives are better then any game on the X360. The newer games i agree with, but honestly, if you're gonna compare games, compare them with something that came out around the same time.

Don't use a PS3 exclusive that just came out and compare it with a X360 exclusive that came out a year before when the PS3 had almost no games worth playing. When ODST finally drops then we will have a good comparison for Killzone 2. I also saw a comparison between Forza 2 and GT5P. How about we wait for Forza 3 and GT5 to come out before looking like idiots.

Either way, these immature console arguments will never stop because neither Sony or Microsoft are going anywhere.

One last thing, by the time the next Xbox comes out, Sony will have about 3-4 years left in that 10 year cycle. Do you really think MS will make a system that will not be able to beat the PS3 performance wise? If so, you might be disappointed.
thewhoopimen  +   2297d ago
true...but really its more about the current lack of MS exclusives than anything. I mean nobody talks about Ninjablade.
40cal  +   2297d ago
Fair enough, we will have to wait and see how MAG runs. But I have to tell you that the devs claim that they've been running 256 player games for 6 months now, with no lag.

That's just what Zipper said though.
cereal_killa  +   2297d ago
40cal I love Zipper I'm a big fan of the Socom series I really hope this is true I cant wait to play it my only problem is its FPS only I really wish they would have giving you the option for both like they do with the Socom games.
Ldubbz  +   2296d ago
"there are games on the ps2 that look better than Halo3... GoW2, Black and MGS3 all look better."

Way to troll. And you got people to agree with that. Insane.

For the record, Halo 2 looks better than anything on the PS2. The continued pathetic onslaught on Halo's graphics are hilarious.

"When the first peeks at Halo 3 were released, many people lamented that it looked like Halo 2 with a hi-def face lift. Well, those complaints will quickly be abolished once gamers get a look at what Bungie has done with the Xbox 360 hardware.

The first level opens in the lush jungles of Africa. Rays of light shine through the canopy with the best high-definition range (HDR) lighting that I've ever seen reflecting off each individual blade of foliage. The Arbiter is on the scene and his armor shines bright under the sunlight. The Brutes clad in their golden headdresses are also a sight to behold, majestic and regal yet deadly. The water effects in Halo 3 are also hyper-realistic, besting even the shimmering liquid found in the fantastic Bioshock. It reflects every object in the environment and reacts to every step and gunshot with realistic physics. Particle effects from plasma grenades and weapons are high-definition eye candy for graphic enthusiast"

"Despite a few moments of slowdown, this is a gorgeous game, especially considering the demands of the replay function. And it's to die for in 1080p."

I hate that so many people talk crap about Halo and have probably never even payed Halo 3. Say what you will, but tell me these screenshots (all of which are REAL), dont look gorgeous....


...but denial runs strong here. No doubt...
Chuk_Chuk  +   2297d ago
So true. very well written article. Now we sit and await the fanboys with their sales and other crap.
Ps_alm3k  +   2297d ago
Fanboyism aside....
So the articles main idea is, If the Ps3 exclusives outperform 360 in exclusives( in a technical standpoint). Why does it not in multiplatform?
Chuk_Chuk  +   2297d ago

edit. lol at PS_alm3k disagrees
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ultimolu  +   2297d ago
Because developers would rather develop on the 360 first then learning how to develop on the hard console first so both games can be equal and we don't have stupid comparison videos.
TheHater  +   2297d ago
Because Developers try to make both version equal and don't utilize the PS3 strengths compare to the Xbox 360 or Wii.
mintaro  +   2297d ago
Which is odd, because the difference was very noticeable during the PS2, Xbox era. Alot more than now.
redsquad  +   2297d ago
Some developers would rather hammer a square peg into a round hole than take time & effort to craft a new & unique 'round peg' that would fit perfectly.
Morituri  +   2297d ago
Thats so easy man,...
The ps3 is more intimidating for programmers, and after they have finished developing on the easier 360, they really do not have the time or money to optimize for the PS3. That simple man. They do not want to - or can't , devote the effort into making the ps3 version equal to (or better than) its competitor.
JeffGUNZ  +   2297d ago
True, but I think a big part of it deals with timing. It's quicker to produce the 360 version. If a Multiplat developer actually took the time to push the Ps3 capabilities, the game would take so long to come out, mainly due to the fact they arn't familiar with the PS3's hardware. Multiplats come out usually at the same time, so it would hurt sales to have one come out on the 360 and a year later on PS3. I think they fear people will lose interest in it and the payoff won't be worth it. I think Multiplats could just do time exclusive deals so the developers can take advantage of what the PS3 has.
mastiffchild  +   2297d ago
In most cases I feel the multi platform doesn't do either any favours. 360 exclusives and PS3 exclusives tend to look better than the multis of the same time, imo, with a few notable exceptions.

Also when a third party is really trying to get the ported PS version to match the 360 one ,which they optimised around the strengths of that consoles architecture, they're unlikely to get a true match and making one massively better than the other(if possible)would alienate half their audience(not relevant last time around with PS2 out of sight sales wise)even if they had the cash to do it properly. Porting from PS3 to 360 gives better results in genral for the whole game on both platforms but they still tend to do the easy one first and then see what's left for the PS3 version-it's a wonder they get either looking that good tbh.

When/if more games start on the PS3 then port to 360 I believe we'll see multis look better and even more equal on both systems-again, making one much better doesn't suit the developer at all. The way they seem restricted(either by time, cash or themselves)to doing this arse about face the longer we'll have pointless comparison articles nit picking differences in games intended not to have any and developed more to the strengths of one console than the other but to none fully.

Anyway, my point is I think the games would be more even(though right now you would rarely, if ever, notice any naked eye differences asp during gameplay)in quality and better in general if only devs would port from PS3 to 360-if they don't have the cash to use two seperate teams from the ground up to match a target render.
Dead_Cell  +   2297d ago
As Ultimulo said,they're porting over from 360 mainly.
The PS3's architecture is built differently,it's not designed to work in the same way a 360 is and it's suffering slightly because of it.
Think of what you're asking,for a port of a game designed perfectly for the 360 to run in the same way,yet look better on PS3.
It's not going to beat the 360 at its own game.
And yet we have exclusives built solely for a PS3 that are blowing away 360 exclusives and multiplatform games in the graphical department.
I think that this is proof enough that No,the companies who are making multiplatform games are not using it to its full potential,they're expecting the same code built on 360's to run just as great on PS3.
It's just not going to.
darthv72  +   2297d ago
The odd thing is it seems that when porting from PS3 to 360 there is literally no difference in the games. To the effect that the 360 can run the PS3 code as good as the PS3 itself.

The same isnt true the other way. If the game lead is the 360, it gets a sloppy port to the PS3. If the game starts on the PS3 then it gets a direct port to the 360. Strange how that works.

What is a list of multiplatform games that had the PS3 as the lead and then the 360 ver came out after? I can think of Virtua Fighter 5 and UT3 ATM but I am sure there are others.

Also, when looking at certain high profile games (burnout, gta4, COD4/5) it is obvious those companies didnt do a single game and then port but more likely they had teams working on the game for both systems at the same time. Sharing ideas on how to do this on that and vice versa. The way it was meant to be made.
franko  +   2297d ago
i have both systems and the MGS4 is way ahead of any other game on any other systems. period.
Defectiv3_Detectiv3  +   2297d ago
I was let down by MGS4 graphics. They have their moments, but a lot of the textures were terrible. I was expecting more from that game.

I would say that Uncharted is easily better looking.
JBaby343  +   2297d ago
Uncharted Looks Best To Me
But MGS4 definitely is spectacular.
40cal  +   2297d ago
You are way off with that one bro.

2008 VGA results: best graphics Metal Gear Solid 4. Whats that? What?
36T  +   2297d ago
Oh boy.
Franko the fanboy just couldn't resist putting in his two cents.
Ninjamonkey  +   2297d ago
of course the ps3 is best for graphics, the real question is by how much?

Also, the reason why the ps3 does not do so well with multiplats is simple, the ps3 is more complicated to develop for. It takes more people, more time, and more money to get games running on the ps3.

Its not becuase the 360 is more powerfull, otherwise the ps3 wouldnt have the best looking games. Its becuase devs have schedules, they need to get games out in a certain time or they run out of money. So they do the best they can with the ps3 version with the time and resources they have.
sack_boi  +   2297d ago
Bubble +
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paul0388  +   2297d ago
Well the PS3...
I like my 360, a lot. After taking a break from Halo for a year (more like divorce), we finally hooked back up when I bought another copy on Friday. I do have to say, after spoiling myself with Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Uncharted, and Metal Gear 4, Playstation Exclusives have won me over. First of all, the graphics of Killzone 2 are breathtaking. A friend (xbot) originally thought the opening show was pre-rendered they're so good. When it comes to Resistance 2, the sheer scope of the game got me. It starts with a bang and doesn't quit until the final bang (if you've beaten it you know what I mean).The detail to Uncharted is unparalleled,enough said, and the grand scale and epic presentation of snake's final adventure took me through a whole range of emotions that a game has never allowed me to feel before. When it comes to Gears 2 and Halo 3, quite frankly, the stories are completely forgettable and the graphics are dated, ESPECIALLY with Halo 3.I have not had an "Oh Sh!t moment at any time with those games, as I have with the PS3 exclusives. My personal experiences have led me down the path to say that not only does the PS3 have better graphics, but better games as well...
Morituri  +   2297d ago
That's a good line...
"PS3...Bring you 'Oh Sh!t' moments for your gaming pleasure"

Like when you first see the sky in San Fransisco in Resistence 2.
paul0388  +   2297d ago
Exactly right man.
That's exactly right. Or like the Metal Gear boss fight where you control a Metal Gear, or even the opening scene in Resistance 2 and the beginning of the 2nd level in Killzone 2. The list can go on and on and on.
What does Gears 2 have, a weak ass Brumac ride? How about Halo 3's conclusion, a copy of the escape scene from the completion of Halo 1. I remember these parts because they were hyped with words like "epic" and "grand" and became anything but. Botton line, the Xbox 360 is showing its age.
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deshon09  +   2297d ago
i don't think that the 360 is holding games back but it not relay helping push them forward ether
40cal  +   2297d ago
If your not part of the solution your part of the problem!
So if the 360 is not making any forward progress like you say, then YES dude the 360 is holding gaming back.
Lou-Cipher  +   2296d ago
The 360 is not holding back PS3 exclusives, but they are holding back multiplatform games.

How many times has a developer written a story or had an idea for their game, to only make cuts because it takes more than 7 gigs of space? (I would really love to know the answer to that)

I cant say that all games, or even most games are shortened or scaled back because of the DVD, but we all know that their are a handful of games that sacrificed quality, content, or size because of the limitations of only 7 gigs.

and if you think that DVD is not hurting some games, then you are either mistaken or just plain lying to yourself.
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kaelix  +   2297d ago
lol @ disagrees
I'd prefer navy blue over silver any day :P wish they made that color :[
gdblose  +   2297d ago
KillerBBs  +   2297d ago
Disagree but don't want to be G@y. I'd prefer pink over silver.
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Salta_nelas  +   2297d ago
Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, GT5, Uncharted 1/2, Wipeout HD, MGS4, team ico projetc, Infamous, LBP and GOWIII are some games that should ashame MP developers when it comes to lightning, physics, graphics and animations all together.

I understand its easier to go from 360 to PS3 but devs doing the other way around prove that results are better and both versions are alike or even better on the PS3.
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PotNoodle  +   2297d ago
Developers don't have the time or resources to dig into the PS3's hardware, only the first party ones do, with the exception of kojima productions.
LorD  +   2297d ago
I should have stopped reading when the author of this "article" tries to talk technical jargon, yet doesn't understand the most simple of technical concepts.

There is no such thing as 1280x1080p, or 1280x720p.
Oner  +   2296d ago
720p is 1280x720 WiKi ~

And GT5P runs natively at 1280x1080p @60fps but is uspcaled to 1920
ForROME  +   2297d ago
You want to show me full potential, release the DA(*^*^*(&^ satin silver in the US other wise I feel gipped by Japan
Counter Strike  +   2297d ago
2nd Gen Game...LoL
For sure , Ps3 games stay YEARS being dveloped , not like Xbox games but maybe Microsoft has a few surprises for you...

oh and i dont care if its 2nd or 3rd or 4th generation , thats stupid...lol

btw...Sony Fanboys = lool...

i would love to smash all of you on PSN but i dont play LaMe Games like Killzone , MGS or Resistance Online , i play Pro Games like Counter Strike 1.6 with true gamers...true gamers are on Pc if u dont know.
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Nineball2112  +   2297d ago
If you have to pump yourself up like that, you're just lame. End of.

It does seem to take devs longer on PS3 games, although once they get the hang of the different architecture I'm sure it becomes a smoother process for them as time goes on.
Morituri  +   2297d ago
So which is it? PC or Xbox?
Way to backtrack troll. First you were all about 360, now you are all about PC. Nice backbone.

You're right about one thing though: PC will always have the upper hand due to upgrade-ability.

You even talk like an actual troll. What empoverished country are you from anyway?
NotSoSilentBob  +   2297d ago
", i play Pro Games like Counter Strike 1.6 "

thats funny enjoy your almost 10 year old game. If Games like Killzone2, MGS, Resistance are "lame" then I AM FREAKING PROUD TO BE CONSIDERED A LAME Person cause my games evolve and don't just stand still.
darkzodiac55  +   2297d ago
i respect you SOOO much
OmegaSlayer  +   2296d ago

What kind of drugs are you on?
Please shut your mouth, you're blatantly ridicolous.
-YLoD-  +   2297d ago
What developer has actually set out to achieve 360's full capabilities? NONE

Killzone 2 could be made to run on the 360, it wouldn't have as good physics though, but it would have more detailed texture's. It's been a well known fact that ps3 has the superior CPU, while the 360 has the better GPU.

It's pointless to say that one is more powerful, overall, than another.
PS3's best graphical game was in developement for 4 years.
The 360's best looking game, GoW2, was in developement for 2 and used the ageing unreal engine.

Until a game is developed to take full advantage of the 360's capabilities, it's not fair to say the ps3 is more powerful and can run game's the 360 couldn't posssibly do.
no-spin  +   2297d ago
MS flagship titles, Gears and Halo, have nothing to show the 360 is equal to the PS3 on capacity.
your kz 2 argument is based on nothing but imagination, or is MS going to show Alan Wake and prove the PS3 wrong. MS has all the money they want, Epic pushed the 360 to make Gears 2 the graphical power in 360, and that game has nothing on KZ2.

all in all, no real facts to support your argument, but plenty to prove you wrong.
Nineball2112  +   2297d ago
Wait... the Xbox has been out a FULL year longer then the PS3.

What the F$%K is the hold up on getting "a game [to be] developed to take full advantage of the 360's capabilities."

Seriously... if it's possible, explain why it hasn't been done.

Especially since the 360 has been around longer AND MS has so much money to throw at developers.

I don't buy it and common sense says that if it was possible... it would have happened by now.
mintaro  +   2297d ago
Well when MS has only about 5 1st party studios, as opposed to Sony's 20, you'd figure that MS doesn't have the time to max out the 360 hardware.

Hey, if MS gave a studio 4 years of dev time and a budget of 50 million dollars, maybe the 360 would have a game with Killzone 2 caliber graphics.
mastiffchild  +   2297d ago
It's my belief, and only a belief I add, that there's proly a little more juice under the hood of the PS3 than the 360 has. However, you have a great point there but it leads to a question as well doesn't it?

Why wasn't Halo3 allowed to be the game that pushed the 360? Why hasn't another game been allowed to do it either? Does it show a lack of belief from MS? Is that why they let their first party devs atrophy? Or, were they just more concentrated on gaining market share and demanded their biggest guns got their games out, like pronto? IDK, but I agree that no third party has come close so far to maxing out either console but til the 360 has competed with the newer PS3 exclusives then the doubt that 360 can do the same is bound to be there-MS are a very big company so ,again, why haven't any games yet been allowed to take advanyage of everything the 360 can offer? It's very odd to me.

Of couse there could well be a game or two in that situation come E3-and I pray there is as it'll push games forward for us all(best of all for those of us with every platform going but also single platform gamers)-the best guess of the games we know something about are Halo Chronicles and AW, no? Add to that the new Epic IP and , maybe, Bungie IP and there's a chance we'll see the game that finally seems to push the 360 the way Sony exclusives are pushing the PS3.

I look forward to having my belief shaken, and then to the Sony response. Should be amazing, imo.

Oh, Counter Strike-yes PC games do look better in general and always at the high end but I prefer gaming online on consoles as I feel it's a fairer arena with everyone having identical controllers and console hardware-it's more egalitarian and doesn't allow, without cheating, the richest gamer an advantage beyond, perhaps, their ISP connection and resultant ping reading. Also, some of the people I've come across lately in the PC game world have been unbearable snobs-and shortsighted ones at that. Not everyone by any means(some of my best friends are still primarily keyboard/mouse addicts)but often enough to spoil my TF2 or MMO experience and with the need to constantly upgrade my GFX card, gaming mouse, keyboard, more storage it was enough to convince me I prefer the more even world of the console gamer-even if I do still have to mute a few people!
nycredude  +   2297d ago
Listen people it don't matter which which console is more powerfull. The only thing that matters is the games!!!!!!

you could have the most powerfull machine in the world that cost 25,000 dollars but with no games it's still paper weight!

We all know where the games are right now!

Look at counter strike, still playing that old as game! LOL!
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Morituri  +   2297d ago
"It's pointless to say that one is more powerful, overall, than another. "
You sure are right about that. Why say it when we really don't have to? It is a waste of breath. It is plain as day that one is more powerful, and not because of specs on paper, but because we have been playing the cream of the crop for some time now.
cereal_killa  +   2297d ago
Until a game is developed to take full advantage of the 360's capabilities, it's not fair to say the ps3 is more powerful and can run game's the 36...
And How much longer do you need to believe this crap the 360 is going on its 4th yr and you say that no one it using the 360 to the best of there abilities, according to you fanboys the 360 is the easier one to develop for (which is true I wont deny this)but if its so easy why cant anyone make one hell of a graphical powerhouse game like MGS4,KZ2 Uncharted etc.etc among others the PS3 going on its 3rd year has already blown the competition away with exclusive game graphics and it will only get better, and you want to spin this like no one has had the chance to do it.
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Nemo88  +   2296d ago
I think we can all agree that the nature of the ps3 means games have to be in development for longer...as the guy above me pointed out: the 360 is easier to program, its designed like a Pc pretty much right? So there will be less optimizing involved when going from their developer Pc's just scaling back certain features I presume?

Whereas for Ps3 they are trying to get all sorts of stuff running on the 6 Spu's as well as the main CPu and Gpu. How many devs have talked about how complex it is to code for ps3? Think about it. Devs can tap into 360's power much more quickly.

A ps3 game in dev for 3 years should be able to be done in 2 on 360- all things being equal. I just dont believe they are. But for sure the 360 can't be maxed-out graphically, every other console has managed to be squeezed for years... PS3 ceiling just seems to be higher. Remember the leap from Tekken to Tekken 3 even on the old PS1? Just imagine what we'll see towards the end of PS3 cycle?!!
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no-spin  +   2297d ago
already knew the quality of PS3 exclusives.

in time 3rd party will use the PS3 better, Sony will have to do it at the moment. is all good
Apocalypse Shadow  +   2297d ago
"ps3 fans have known this from the beginning."
it's not that we are gloating about it.it is what we SEE and is the TRUTH.

as the article has stated the obvious,sony's racing,third person games and first person games,outdo 360 games on a technical level.

but the article forgot sony's sports games run at a higher resolution like mlb:09.the article forgets to mention that sony's PSN games run at a higher resolution.

360 fans,this is not about sales.even though sony's games sell well across the board and not just two or three shooters.no,this about GRAPHICS.when you bring other arguments into a comment section about GRAPHICS,it means you have nothing to stand on and deflect the main question:

"is ps3 more powerful than 360?"

microsoft claimed that 360 is more powerful than ps3.even put out papers at launch stating how powerful the 360 is.but from what we have seen,360 has fallen behind as we have been saying from the beginning. like sony has been saying from the beginning.


want to deny it?then it would be easy to put up games and SHUT EVERY PS3 FAN UP ABOUT THIS QUESTION.but time and time again,you can't show us any games to counter.


but we always see sony's games hitting new high marks in graphics,in gameplay,in artistic design,in players online. while microsoft game engines like UNREAL and NOT UNREAL don't hold a candle to sony first party engines.

it would be easy for you to post a link of a game on 360 that looks better than killzone2 on 360.easy for you to post a link of a game that looks better than uncharted on 360.easy for you to post a game that hits 20vs20,30vs30.easy for you to post links of a game that moves you like flower.

it's fine not having the most powerful system in your entertainment cabinet.wii gamers are fine knowing that it's not powerful graphically.but since you 360 fans have been LIED to by MICROSOFT,you continue to hold on to the LIE.everyone knew XBOX was more powerful than ps2.even though ps2 put up some amazing games.

once you admit to the TRUTH,then you can move forward.and tight now,360 fans need to admit to themselves the truth,so that ALL of us gamers can move forward.

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Oner  +   2297d ago
+1 Apoc ~

Volition says 360 maxed out ~ http://www.gameplayer.com.a...

Epic says 360 maxed out ~ http://www.computerandvideo...

Microsoft Executive admits PS3 more powerful ~ http://news.softpedia.com/n...

"Aaron Greenberg, tackled the subject during an interview taken at the CES. The Microsoft executive said that, although the PS3 might be more powerful, customers still took into..."
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KillerBBs  +   2297d ago
Disagree 100%
I don't want to be G@y and disagree with you but it would be nice if it came in pink.
Henry Cain  +   2297d ago
To be honest i've being playing Infamous demo for awhile now, and the charcters on Infamous look alot better than GTA4. GTA4 cut scenes already look outdated. When u look at their hands. Look like blocks. And if you really want to compare GTA4 and Infamous wait until the game comes out. GTA4 just has more of a backing than Infamous. But I still think Infamous looks a little better.
Gue1  +   2297d ago
What with the Open Zone? It is so lonely here!

Now everybody's a gamer and no more fanboys, trolls, etc anymore? Because let me tell ya that there aren't any gamers on N4G. Just trolls, fanboys and many crazy people that take bubbles if your thinking is not the same as them.
La Chance  +   2297d ago
Well we can say almost anything in the gamer zone without the mods doing anything so whats the use for the open zone ?
acetw1n  +   2297d ago
Please allow me to be the first one
The xbox 360 has superior ghraphics due to the complex systems of gerbels and hamsters inside of it running on wheels
Man_of_the_year  +   2297d ago
I modded my 360 so now i have 3 hamsters on 3 hamster wheels. Each dedicated to its own Hamster Wheel. Sweet.
krouse93  +   2297d ago
so when it rrods does that mean the hamsters died?
acetw1n  +   2297d ago
make sure you feed your hamsters 50 dollars a year, so you can play online!
UNCyrus  +   2296d ago
i <3 open zone...
devilhunterx  +   2296d ago
Free the Gerbil 3!
Pootangpie  +   2297d ago
great Another stupid graphics war with the sony fanboys actually believing MS is paying developers
to make games look worse for PS3 you know I'm not even going to waste my time explaining why that article is full of **** since I've done it before and it never gets through to the sony fanboys thick skulls so I'll make fun of them instead

Sony fanboy response

blah blah blah bluray is the best blah blah blah blah blah Cell blah blah blah blah blah Overhyped exclusives blah blah blah 10 year life span blah blah blah blah blah blah Sony says so blah blah blah blah blah MS paid them sony says so blah blah blah It's a conspricy
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Hallucinate  +   2296d ago
um idk maybe its just me but i dont see any sony fanboy saying the MS is paying devolpers to do that...
Counter Strike  +   2297d ago
Im From Europe in Portugal...
Dude , real gamers are not in Ps3 or Wii...

You have some Real Gamers on 360 but its on Pc that they are...People who plays Counter Strike 1.6 since 2001 like me...Get more hardcore than that...

A 2001 Game rap** Killzone 2 and R2 , the best FPS Ps3 games...i will not even talk about Crysis , Half Life or any other FPS on Pc that blows all Ps3 games...just dont mess with a Pc Gamers...because PC >>>>>>>Co nsoles...Are u serious about playing with a Pad !? Thats lame...thats why Consoles(Mostly Ps3) gamers are called LaMe in all sites of Pc gaming or youtube...

Ps3 will never matche Crysis...Get over it.

Btw , i like the 360 Pad but for Shooters will never match K+M.
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MetalGearBear  +   2297d ago
PS3 and Xbox360 is true gamer!!!
PC and Wii not!!!!

WAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
no-spin  +   2297d ago
then it must be great to play crysis over and over and over
Kantraz  +   2297d ago
Stop your PC talk!
This is a article about the PS3 and 360, the article doesn't state that the PS3 is better than a PC!
Of course PC games looks much better than console games, but on the other hand, many PC games lack the gameplay... Crysis had an okay gameplay, but it was not that great, and don't take me wrong, I have played Crysis through 6 times, as I think it is the best pc game, but not the best game if we also look at the consoles!

I own all the current gen consoles and a good pc, but I only buy games for my PS3, I have around 20 games for my PS3, where of the games I play most actually is 1st party games, and I only have 3 360 games, which is Halo 3 and both of the Gears of War. The cover system in Gears of War is great, but it has also been done on the PS3. I yet have to see some more great games for the 360, so I also could show my 360 some love, but atm my money goes to PS3 games, not because I'm a fanboy, but because thats the console with the best games.
Hallucinate  +   2296d ago
aww look how jealous he is so cute

your no gamer your a pc elitest i would rather chill with hitler then a pc elitest pc fanboys are like those nerds that you just wanna kick there ass but you cant because its like hitting a helpless child
Henry Cain  +   2296d ago
@ counter strike
Man you sound real weak right about now. A real gamer plays every system wether it pc or console. I'm a real gamer. I played my first game on the Texas Instrument when there was no such thing as a mouse.
CypH  +   2297d ago
@la chance
alright listen GTA4 may prolly look better than infamous, but the catch is Infamous will never drop in frame. All the explosions all the action in Infamous can literally kill GTA4.

proof: walk around in GTA4 with nothing but explosive weapons, then go around blowing everything up, and watch GTA4 frame rate drop
Pootangpie  +   2297d ago
you know it's pretty funny you sony fanboys going against what some developers said about the pluses and minuses
Like john carmack saying the 360 and PS3 both have there pluses and minuses yet you take stupid journalist word rather then a proffesional developers of course KZ2 heavy rain and uncharted can't be done on the 360 because THERE UNDER SONY'S CONTRACT there paid to devlop for them they also don't develop with the rival console if there under an exclusive contract so you can spin all the bull**** that the games speak for themselfs but unless a devloper {NOT A JOURNLIST} that isn't working exclusivly with sony says the PS3 is more Powerful kindly go ride sony's ding a ling somewhere else

Oh and btw Super mario galaxy can only be done on the wii

end of sarcasm
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Apocalypse Shadow  +   2297d ago
counter strike,you are also deflecting.
you come into the thread using **PC**,when we are talking about CONSOLES.

i didn't know that PCs are being bought and hooked up to televisions.didn't know that the writer of the article included PC in his comparison.didn't know that there are commercials pushing PC as a console like wii,ps3 and 360.that's "deflecting" dude.

PS3 vs 360.that is the question here.sure,it doesn't matter really about graphics.doesn't matter really about 20vs20 or 30vs30.or 1080p or bluray.

but the question is which system is pumping out more powerful games.and ps3 is the one doing it.

microsoft has

3)developing tools

but the results from the 360 for being out LONGER than ps3,is ps3 passing 360 in technical feats.



so,it's either:

1)360 exclusive developers can't make games that outdo ps3 exclusive developers when they had more time and better tools.

2)or 360 is not powerful enough to hang with ps3 when it comes to graphics.

it's either one or the other.or it could be:

1)360 exclusive developers don't even want to waste their time trying to push the envelope when it comes to maxing the 360.which would be a real shame.because it would mean 360 gamers are being shafted.

but then,when has 360 gamers not been "shafted?"

apocalypse................... ...
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