Sony generated nearly $700M revenue from the release of first party PlayStation titles on PC and other platforms during fiscal year 2023.
Here is the start date and time for the Xbox Games Summer Showcase 2024 with bundles of exciting leaks and how to watch.
10AM PT/1PM ET/6PM london time.
on June 9th.
this is so odd. we had ps before the summer fest and now xbox after.
Summer Fest and the Sony show were both crap, let's hope Microsoft and Ubisoft shows are decent.
(the way this is going, I'm not asking for good/great shows, simply asking for decent shows...)
I miss E3.
State of Play is a 30 minute sizzle reel. It is not meant to compete with the yearly Xbox showcase.
best e3 was when they showcased breath of the wild with the nintendo tree people i watched that quite a few times ha.
I'm definitely of the mind that d4 was complete crap at release...but the state of it right this moment is not complete crap. They've simplified a lot which actually helped their overtly stupid itemization.
End game content is still kind of stupid but at least progression and itemization is better.
@crows90
Maybe but it is still boring. It might be a little bit better but it is not a good game.
Xbox had typically kept the old e3 dates alive it seems to always fall on Queens / Kings birthday holiday in Aus only reason I've noticed as it used to be a day off to engross myself in e3 showcases but nowadays it's nothing
The rumor is 30 games with a nearly 2 hour show. I hope so I, been saying they need to go balls to the wall with their showcase. That's according to Grubb again. Yeah a huge pinch of salt he's only been wrong or half right about some stuff.
There's also suppose to be a Wu Tang Clan game that's a kungfu action RPG featuring the legendary hip hop group New Yorks own Wu Tang Clan. You read right Wu Tang Clan kungfu action RPG.
Sounds weird, random and quirky but hey I'm down to see it.
State of decay 3 info is leaking on twitter!
Looks good. Personally don’t play horror/ zombie games, but I appreciate it’s a good game so that’s a win for Xbox fans.
Lord knows they need a win at the moment
Appreciate the concern, but I think we'll be just fine. Hope you all enjoy tomorrow's show.
"The rumor is 30 games with a nearly 2 hour show. I hope so I, been saying they need to go balls to the wall with their showcase."
MS had the best showcases in the last few years.
This year, the bar is so low with those last showcases, that imo, MS and Ubisoft doesn´t even need to make much of an effort to beat them.
"That's according to Grubb again. Yeah a huge pinch of salt he's only been wrong or half right about some stuff."
Grubb was right about the last State of Play. Just a few days for the end of the month, he´d continued and insisted that it was going to happen. And he was right! Sony made a last minute announcement for whatever reason, but the guy was spot on.
Grubb was only half right. He only got the month down, which was late last month for a PS event but wrong on it being a PS showcase.
Half right at best. He's still not that credible these days. He definitely wasn't spot on.
Grubb has been pretty spot on in his comments regarding showcases. You can tell he's not guessing, he knows in advance.
Microsoft has had the best showcases for the last 3-4 years. The problem with Microsoft and the Xbox division is their reputation and trademark around the world. That's what's really affecting them.
Hopefully not knowing most games shown will be multiplats & some eventually multiplats.
The presentation is going to be the painful part. There might be some good games though.
You can always make a drinking game out of it for every time they say the words "Made for a modern audience".
You'd think that every now and then even these dispassionate fools may do a good job...they've disappointed every single year since before release of Xbox one....that's a really long streak of disappointments...lol
For sure. they have the money to put on a top tier show, but I'm afraid it will look like an event where super rich people are noticeably trying to be cheap. And they have this strange smile like they know they are trying o get over on people. It just makes for an awkward and tasteless showing.
I hope it's a good showing knowing most games that will be shown will be multiplats & XB timed exclusives that'll eventually become multi-plats.
It is what it is at this point.
At least the good games will have a chance to be bought, take advantage of the superior DualSense, and *maybe* give those studios a better shot at survival.
They'll also have better shadows, and run with higher dynamic res on the PS5 Pro.
So if they're multiplat would you suddenly like Xbox games?
You never have before you've made that clear several times over.
My point is what I said. You don't like Xbox games, you've said it repeatedly. So would you suddenly like Xbox games if they were available on PS5.
This year holidays, Xbox will pit Indiana jones and Avowed, against Sonys astro-bot.
Although technically those two are bigger and better than Astro bot, they might not be as polished, or as fun as Astro
Next year, they are putting Contraband and fable (maybe) against whatever Sony has cooking. They will probably not be successful in that either
In my opinion, buying those 18 studios is not really doing much (or enough) for them, if anything it has exposed their greed even more than people already thought!
Not to mention gta6 is going to run best in ps5 pro for 100% definitely
I’d go as far as to say, Microsoft couldn’t have done any worse this gen even if they tried to
i got a ps5 just for astro boy, it shows off all the features of the controller and system that no other game does till date and im expecting more of that plus a better game
There is quite a bit more than avowed and Indy this year. Should get some of those dates tomorrow.
Why do they have to "pit up" against each other? Makes no sense play what you like and stop treating this like it's sports, very weird.
You not wrong MS has gone down hill in most metrics this gen but are going up hill with the games. The fact that I'm seeing PS fans on Twitter saying they can't wait for Xbox to supply them with games is like a fever dream in which the roles have reversed, they can't be doing that bad if that's the case. They came from having no games for 12, 13 years to having most of the games.
That lead right into another article saying that MS has shut down tango and arkane? What?! To pay off their activision hole? How dumb.
Imo this is end of the line make or break for xbox as a whole. Ive personally moved on, got tired of endless promises of must own first party exclusives. But I'd be very interested in a handheld if thats true.
Hoping for some cool announcements here. DMCV and DBZ fighterz got announced at Xbox conferences so it's happened before.
Kinda hoping for Team Ico (Gen Design now) to show their new Epic funded game there.
I think this will be a good show. Microsoft has never really had bad shows, it’s just bad output/quality on release. We are going to start putting the stuff they announced too soon on doorsteps with actual release dates and then they can put more emphasis on Gears, Fable, Perfect Dark etc
Remember the Xbox One reveal that showed practically anything but games? It wasn't a good show.
"TV, TV, TV"
"Sports, sports, sports"
"Call of Duty, Call of Duty, Call of Duty"
I'm hoping we will finally see the rumored spyro 4 and the remasters of oblivion and fallout 3.
I just want to know what ID SOFTWARE is working on? Is it a new DOOM game or QUAKE game?
Hopefully a new Quake but I guess a new Doom would be less risky for them. If they could make a campaign like the first Quake and include multiplayer like Quake III's, that could be awesome.
2 hours is very long for any video game event. I don't even remember e3 presentations being so long. Maybe it'll be a form of relaunch of the xbox brand.
God, I’m kind of over Microsoft, but at this point I need SOMEONE to announce some kind of sizeable new project. Cuz there was fuckall at SoP and SGF, like does the industry have ANY unannounced big projects to announce? Or are they all like 4 years out?
Nearly 90% of Xbox players who have started Hellblade 2 haven't made it through the action-adventure game's short seven-hour runtime to complete its story.
Remember when games were fun and entertaining and not just pretty graphics? That might have something to do with it.
Yeah, that's one thing thats wrong in the industry today outta many things. Heard someone on here on the Lego horizon game saying its a kiddie game same for astro and they'll pass on them. Like these games are fun they might appeal to kids more but they are fun for all ages. Theres a reason why Nintendo games sell better its because they are fun and thats what Nintendo is known for. I feel people forget to have fun but instead play consoles wars and graphic wars. They are a lot of indie games that are fun just like Nintendo games but people pass because how it looks etc.
Nintendo usually focuses on making fun games that also happen to look good or have great art styles. Astro Bot on PS5 is a breath of fresh air in an industry ruled by GaaS garbage. Good platformers are rare these days.
And I’m sure I’m in the minority but I think Lego Horizon Adventures looks more fun than the actual mainline Horizon games. 🤷♂️
The Lego games aren't any fun to me as they have copied and pasted the formula for 20 years but I do enjoy a good platformer that brings back the golden age of gaming.
GamerRN
DEATH STRANDING
on PlayStation (PS4)
Thanks for Everything
Complete Episode 14: Lou.
22.9% of players unlocked this.
So, more than double (above average) and it's a much longer game with a lot more content
Death Stranding
Main Story40½ Hours
Main + Extra60 Hours
Completionist113 Hours
Only kids under 10 and hardcore Lego fans like Lego games..
I think Guerrilla totally lost it to make such games. They could have outsourced the project and given us something more serious..
No matter how it turns, people will buy.
@cacabunga
Guerrilla is not developing the game. It's a licensed LEGO game using the Horizon IP but Sony and Guerrilla are not making it.
I agree. Every lego game feels exactly the same. And some of the "puzzles" are incredibly obtuse. Hard pass. I'll take the real deal over lego. That said, my kids are into the lego games, so they'll probably have me play with them until I start drifting off to sleep.
The graphics are so overrated. So much of the graphical budget just went to rocks and other lifeless backgrounds at sub 1080p and 30fps.
You look at Horizon:FW and birds are flying around animals are running around everywhere while you fight packs of robot-animals and it's all at 60FPS and 1440p+. I don't care what anyone says HFW looks better and plays much better. And it's a whole open world not just little scenes covered in darkness to they can maintain framerate's by not having to process anything distant.
And the game has a nothiness story because the first game didn't need a sequel. So, HB2 just seems forced, which is exactly what it was. HB1 was tied to Sony, so Microsoft just wanted to steal a sequel to not put on PlayStation. That's the only reason HB2 exists, so Microsoft could have a game with ties to PlayStation they could keep off PlayStation, simply the most petty of possible reasons. And it shows.
That's what I said, the Lego horizon looks fun more then the OG. Not to say the OG isnt fun but its just I dont have the engagement idk what words to put it. I know returnal and other house marq games and isomniac games had that feeling of fun and engagement
I spent almost 150 hours on the HZD + Frozen wilds so I don't really get what you're saying. The reason I still have yet to sink more time into Forbidden West is because I still want to 100% the Frozen Wild trophies and I have been loving the time I spent with the game.
@badz
I think you'll love Forbidden West and Burning Shores as it just improved on a lot of things in HZD and Frozen Wild. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely enjoyed HZD and Frozen Wild, but HFW and Burning Shores was the icing on the cake. I hope they keep up the momentum for the next game.
Agree I recently replayed earthbound and fell in love with it again it's a basic looking SNES game but the gameplay and charm just gets me and really reminds me games are not about pushing pixels they should be fun and if they can also bring Joy that's great.
There's far to many games dealing with dark and dreary overly emotional depressing games like hellblade 2 that barely let you play the game.
I want fun more than anything these days
Or it's been a walking simulator majority of the time might have something to do with it as well. The user review scores on metacritic.com mentions that as well
So silly... The game was released on gamepass to millions of people... Use the math side of your brain and not the fanboy side.
Nearly 90% of Xbox players ----->who have started Hellblade 2<---- haven't made it through the action-adventure game's short seven-hour runtime to complete its story.
An Amazing Number of Players Have Marvel's Spider-Man 2's Platinum Trophy
https://www.pushsquare.com/...
According to current Trophy data, 20.3 per cent of players have earned the sequel's Platinum gong.
Over half of players have completed the main story — 58 per cent to be precise — which, again, is unusually high, but for a fifth of all players to stick around and complete all the districts and side content too is pretty astounding.
Still, a 20 per cent rate for the Plat is ridiculously high. As far as we can tell, the next highest first-party Platinum rate is for Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, which is currently at 12 per cent.
Most Sony exclusives have had a higher than industry average of 15-20 percent of their players complete the game both God of War's, Ghost of Tsushima and all three Spider-Man games as well as both Horizon games have fallen into this bracket, and they are much longer than 6 hours.
Edit: oh and btw HB2 wasn't even that popular on xbox, the game peaked at something like 23 most popular game
‘Hellblade 2’ Launches As The 23rd Most-Played Xbox Game, What Does That Mean?
https://www.forbes.com/site...
Hellblade II peaks at under 4,000 concurrent players on Steam
https://gameworldobserver.c...
Millions of gamers not playing the game. How are you arguing FACTS?! Lol.
10 million people could have downloaded it. That would mean only 1 million of that completed it. Do you even know MATH?!
When your story can be completed in one sitting and nearly 90% still didn't complete it, it doesn't bode very well.
I'm taking my time with it. I know it's a short game and all. I've been playing it at a half hour to an hour at a time before I go to sleep. I work pretty early so I can't spend all night playing. I think I'm pretty close to the end.
Was about to say that. It's almost as if people got bored with nice visuals and didn't find the game fun enough to continue.
The times we live in are sad compared to the golden era I was lucky to experience 30 years ago. Games were fun and were made to be played, not watched. Now all the big publishers and console manufacturers seem to be only able to discern two game genres. Multiplayer focused online game and story driven single player games.
Where are gameplay driven games?
I have more fun in VR while playing small indie games than I do playing big "story driven" AAA flat games.
To each of their own, but for me, fun and gameplay are the most important. Then amazing visuals. And then music and sound design. And then maybe humor and only on the last place - the story. I can get good story cheaper and more convenient. This is what books and movies do better. Especially with that stupid trend to pursue realism in visuals. One more hardware generation and it will basically be a movie rendered in real time. For 70€ and with "gameplay" instead of gameplay. And then those same clueless idiots will survey young gamers and conclude they only want competetive online multiplayer games.
I mean, I played River Raid the first time and within seconds I knew I want to play games.
A guy who never played anything besides multiplayer games, will check one of those interactive movies and walk away, seeing nothing interesting in it. For us, veteran gamers, visuals may be impressive cause we know the limitations. But for some newcomer? They have no idea about the CPU or GPU limitations. They will just see a weird looking "movie" with boring and lacking gameplay design and mechanics.
I'd like to say Nintendo will keep supplying good, big budget games focused on gameplay, but Nintendo is just a name of a corporation. When the old staff leaves...
Anyway. I sure hope Mario Kart 10 won't have any stupid career mode with 300 minutes of cut-scenes in it.
Usually games like that are launch games. Designed to showcase what a system can do. I’d honestly love to play HB2 but the digital only release blows.
I suspect Game Pass has something to do with this also. Being less financially invested in a product is a sure route to not caring enough to complete it. Also indicative of the audience that occupies Xbox, they bought the wrong studio for their platform. Which again will hurt Xbox.
By this day and age where even one-person indie dev can make stunning looking game.
It's time for them to re-examine and sorting out their priorities they could easily have the best of both worlds nowadays but nope still obsesses over at chasing photo-realism spent years over that just for one game and they lose the ability to make fun interactive and entertaining games.
The stupidity of the people present on this thread is absurd... trolling simply because this is a Microsoft game.
I just have to say this...
"Video games are enjoyed by millions of people around the world. The one thing that most of these gamers have in common is the failure to finish games. Industry experts estimate that a new game will only be completed by 10 to 20 percent of its players."
https://eu.indeonline.com/s...
(do trolls realize that their favourite games from their favourite plastic box are only completed by 10-20% of players)
Even then it's still a head scratcher because it's really quite short. I think its just lacking severly in gameplay. Its a sometime pretty art piece... sure
Looks like just PlayStation his have 80 percent or more who never finished them... Speaks more about the state of games these days...
You'll be surprised by the percentage of ALL players who never finish games. I remember seeing an article about the shockingly high percentage of people who never finished Spider Man 2.
"Diving deeper into the stats, we can see that only 52% of Hellblade 2 Xbox players made it past the first boss and unlocked The Next Sign achievement. You encounter Hellblade 2's first boss after about 30 minutes"
90% of players didn't beat the story and only about half beat the first boss. This is just baffling to me when you take into account how short the game is. Just, wow
I picked up The Order 1886 for $20 and played it around Halloween. It was good and I enjoyed it, but yeah not perfect by any means. The visuals were nuts.
In actually just picked up the order last month and man did it's time it was not judged fairly game is amazing
Yeah, that game was legitimately good and the story was going places plus the setting was fantastic.
And it was a really early gen game too, not like HB2 which is a mid gen game.
The crazy thing is this isn't even new. This has been a growing issue since gen 7. There have been countless great games where if you look at the trophy/achievement data only like 30% or less of players actually finish any games they play. It's kind of insane. I can sort of understand with open world games where player fatigue kicks in, but plenty of linear games like this never get finished. It's like players start games and then just move on to the next thing a week later.
While this is true for a lot of games, it's even worse when you consider how long Hellblade 2 is. I understand if a game is 20+ hours and you move on to something else a week later. But this game doesn't take a week to complete, it takes a handful of hours.
Agreed. Hellblade 2 isn't some extended experience. It can be beat in just a couple of nights.
A growing issue since Gen 7? It's probably not much different than before achievements/trophies started getting recorded tbh.
@Skuletor
I mean that it seems like the percentages have been getting lower over time since we've been able to track them.
Not baffling when you touch the game and realize it’s just a big cut scene. It’s not fun and it sucks so makes sense.
It's not that baffling. GamePass lets people pretty instantly click A on a game to start playing it, look at the graphics, say "whoa that's cool" and then go back to whatever multiplayer nonsense they usually play. You don't even need to download the game, you can just stream it for a sec. These numbers are a bit meaningless.
I do think being on GamePass was a major nail in HellBlade 2's coffin. Games on subscription services feel inherently valueless and I personally can never get into them.
This is the audience Microsoft has cultivated on Xbox.
I don't blame them for trying with acquiring Ninja Theory, but at this point, it's difficult to dispute that this is too little, too late.
You can't finish the game.. there is no "gameplay".
The funny thing is that the main character trained (in real life) for 2 years to fight with a sword, in a game where there is almost no fighting.
I booted it on PC but I admit it was purely academic I find the game stunning but the games subject matter didn't click with me gave it a good go to buy never returned to it and don't intend to
So this stat doesn't surprise me at all. The game was praised for us visuals as finally bringing ue5 in all is glory to gamers so many people probably booted it to see and then turned it off like myself
Same thing I did. Booted it and played 15 minutes to see the spectacle and turned it off because I am in the middle of another game.
That’s the other thing, if you don’t directly purchase a game you do not feel as invested or compelled to play the game and I believe this is a problem with GP in general. In that same vein and for me personally there is no incentive to purchase the game because there is no physical release. If there was a physical release, I might have considered it.
I liked HB1 and may return to HB2 at some point but have other games in the backlog to get through.
Yeah I grabbed it on GamePass PC. Beautiful, but just like the first one, those glyph sections are boring. They feel more like a chore than a game. 🥱😴
Makes sense, it’s so much more of a tech demo and so much less of an actual game. I forced myself to finish it.
Probably because most people wanted to play a game instead of seeing and hearing it mostly.
Bold of you to assume reviewers actually finished games. I bet those 10% are just Obsecure Observer and his alternate accounts
Probably because it's the best looking game available right now. People who weren't interested in playing downloaded with GP to check the visuals for 10 minutes before deleting.
Lol, even with insane graphics and just a 6-hour game, Xbox players didn't manage to complete the story?
Basically 50% of them could not play it past 30 minutes, and it's basically "free" for them, what a joke, what a disaster
Don't worry the game will be awesome and wonderful to you guys once it comes to PS...kinda like SoT.
What does this have to do with PS?
People here love to whine about bringing up "company A when talking about articles regarding company B". Yet here you are doing exactly that.
Secondly, since you mention Sea of Thieves. Sea of Thieves was a MUCH UPDATED game by time it came to Playstation. When it released on Xbox years ago the game was bland. Period.
I'm sure you know that right?
Lodo,
Hahaha....let's look.
Enihinder1972
"Because they were close with PlayStation"
And a PS game was also bought up.
Wow! Atleast i finished The Order 1886..lol.
Funny how you ignore those glaring comments, but jump on my comment lol.
I didn't ignore anything. I didn't bother reading them. But to be fair, they're just as bad as you are so congrats?
Funny how you don't say I'm wrong in what I said though. Instead of saying what I said was wrong, your retort is "but what that guy"
Do I have to say your wrong? I would think it obvious that I don't agree with you.
It's really convenient that you scrolled pass their comments and read mine which is under theirs, and threw out a speech, of all that happens on this site, in almost every article, and my small comment is the one that you choose to make a stand on, and I suppose to take your seriously? But ok, whatever you say buddy.
And thank you for the congrats..I appreciate and value your opinion
The article states it's 90% of XB players that didn't complete the game so it has nothing to do with PS gamers. Though I own all 3 current consoles I didn't complete Hellblade 2 either because it's boring including most players probably didn't buy the game & played it through Gamepass so they didn't feel the need to finish it. I played 2 hours & each session I could only push myself to play for a half hour. For me when a game is fun I can't stop playing it, the last game that had me like that was Stellar Blade.
Did you check the people who mentioned PS before me?
And thanks for sharing your experience.
That ship has sailed. If they wanted another 10% to finish the game, it should have launched on PS5 as well. I say this because the only thing special is it being first to really use UE5 in an extended playable, purchasable tech demo.
I don't ever want see you talk about "deflection" whenever someone brings up Xbox in a PS article, since you are okay with doing it here when it's the opposite.
It'll be treated exactly the same, with indifference apart from a relatively small number of people who like that specific genre.
It'll be a bit better because it's on PS. The PS5 runs better than S/SX. But even then, it won't make up for the mobile gaming like rails.
Game was okay, but if you want a walking simulator with a better story I'd recommend Indika.
I don’t doubt that, but also I’ve seen a good bit of data that suggests that like 85 percent of players don’t complete games. That’s a trend that has been combing for a while. I don’t get it but it’s a real thing.
- Start a game
- Enjoy the game for a couple of hours
- Life gets in the way
- Busy, tired, or not in the mood to play
- Days pass if not weeks
- Forget where I was in the game—do I continue or start over?
- Nah, I'll play something else
- The cycle continues
Teenage me would be baffled, too. I used to finish games in one or two settings.
I’m 46, I get maybe 2 days per month off, and I have 2 daughters. I still complete games lol I’m not saying it’s good or bad, I’m just saying that’s the state of gaming today. People are too busy trying to get approval and attention online to finish much of anything.
What you wrote is spot on, I'm finding less and less time for gaming.
Stop trying to downplay a game there's tons of games I haven't completed hidden agenda here slag of any xbox game especially this one fuck this date most ps biased site I ever been on
This article is from an Xbox website. Shower them with your tears, not N4G. N4G is a website where anyone can post any gaming articles.
Yeah...they still have to push forward, right? MS should consider selling xbox branded rubberband now. Marketing slogan - "Now you can finish Hellblade 2 while sleeping". Instant hit I tell you
I'm in that 90%. I've played about 2 hours of the game & I just can't get myself to play for the rest of the 3 to 4 hours to finish the game. Hellblade 2 is just boring & it seems 90% of players think so too. Another factor may be the game is on Gamepass so players don't feel inclined to finish the game because they didn't spend solely $50 for Hellblade 2.
I felt the same way about Alan Wake 2. Six hours in and I am bored as hell... quit it.
Really? I was interested in AW2 cause it looked good but I felt the 1st one was overrated and kinda boring so I was waiting to playing.
It's a comment section, I can comment on how I choose to may you like it or not. It seems you're triggered by the truth.
Oh oh, there we go with the last resort, "your trigged" response..lol, ok, yes, I'm at home mad as hell right now..you got me.
For a seven-hour game?! Phil and team, did you even play and test this game in Redmond?!
And 37% ppl on Steam finished the game....
https://steamcommunity.com/...
Similar scores compared to the 1st one.
Now let's make a stupid article about Flight simulator ultra-low achievement scores :)
I think this highlights that some folks were really on to something when mentioning GamePass and it make the completion numbers make more sense. For one thing. I am will to bet that the people who paid $50 to play this are more likely to complete it.
Doesn't mean they won't finish it though. I finished it. It's a really good game.
Yeah, I gues they are playing 20 minutes a week. You know... just spreading out the goodness right? They'll surely finish it soon
Lol, now I know why they didnt finish it. 20 minutes is not enough when going to point A to point B in this game. I think its a 45 minute walk before the next checkpoint. XD
That's the effect of Game Pass, they didn't pay anything, don't feel any commitments to play more if they get bored.
Sad to say this, but it was good knowing you Ninja Theory. :(
The game is great. Shame really. I think this speaks to, 2 points. 1. This game is made for a small pocket of gamers. 2. Especially younger gamers are used to everything now mentally, so they require something more action driven. While both Uncharted and HB are single player games and both are well done. I would prefer an Uncharted type story over a HB
I think it's the "free game" curse. You download it, play it for two hours then don't bother with it.
2 hours? That's generous of you. Read the article and see that there were lots not even going to the 1 hour mark
I was all excited to play it, then after an hour I became so bored with it. It's just not a good game.
I’ve stalled in chapter 4. The puzzles drag it down for me. Pacing is slow to begin with, combat is a bit meh. I have a week left to finish it. Gotta get ‘er done!
I haven't played the second hellblade but i really enjoyed the first one which makes this news pretty sad and disappointing.
From what I saw I won't touch it with a 10ft stick. I wonder how long before Microsoft tosses the idea around of putting this game on Playstation?
I don't know the stats but I guess that 30% of players, on average, finish or beat video games these days. Many video game consumers buy video games because of hype or good reviews on YouTube but then a new come around and they.move.on, we must remember that, these days, most gamers are casual ones and casuals rarely beat or finish up games, and this one being on gamepass don't help that statistic at all, because if people don't get hiked they can easily move.on and download another game and completely forget it. 10% for a game on gamepass that has a story that, imo, won't appeal to everyone, and i dare say that it is a bit niche, is a very good.figure.
"I don't know"
"I guess that"
"10% is a very good figure"
Absolutely ridiculous. The game is free for GP subscribers AND it is very short. 5 hours you can finish it in. You cannot compare this percentage to other games. There are too many variables. Other games people paid money for, the games are longer, in come cases 1000% longer. Last of Us 1 and 2 have 50% finish rates on PS5.
This 10% figure is an utter embarrassment. Xbox showed off so much of this game at every showcase. It was one of their tent-pole announcements. It is so short, there really is no excuse not to finish this game. It was FREE and short. If it was even remotely a good game, then people would have finished it. Period. At least more than 10%. The fact is, it's not fun to play. The game just isn't that good. It's not worth finishing even if it's only 5 hours long.
How this got the 10s are beyond me. It's a glorified walking Sim. The delusional green force strikes again.
@Ninver Most sites that gave it 10’s were Xbox fan sites.
So basically, most are just using this game to show off their setup and console and after a few hours they stopped playing it because they realized that's all it had going for.
All looks and no substance, and basically zero staying power.
Tech enthusiasts would lap this up in their rendering tech essay years later though and that's about it.
All that effort and time spent making the game look as good as can be only for it to be another shallow GP filler that most didn't even bother to finished and it's a 5-hour game lol.
Well the first hour and a half is literally a walking sim, then you get to swing your sword once or twice then watch some more unreal videos. Fun.
Looks to me like Ninja Theory made themselves another Heavenly Sword, spectacular graphics, average game.
Back in the 80s playing games on Vic 20 and C64 we heard of this amazing looking game had released into the arcades me and a few mates raced to the next town to witness this graphical wonder ,after arriving I piled 10p into this cabinet called Dragons Lair and hit play
Tldr after 5 minutes we all asked eachother where's the fucking gameplay ? Returned home to play jack the nipper in it's wireframe 3 colour graphics pallette and never let shiny sway me again
True story
All that boasting and bragging xbox guys did and they cant even be bothered to beat a 4 hour game.
Complain that Lego games haven't evolved over time that's the bloody point it's for child learning not adult learning
When you were a 10 yrs old sticking a long piece of Lego up your nose you are not supposed to be doing the same at 30
Let kids have a safe fun game and quit bitching .
As PlayStation announces its new strategy to encourage PC users to choose PS5 it is a bitter-sweet moment for PC gamers.
I mean, it's a business based on hardware market. Do we expect them to not even try? It's not like Nintendo doesn't do the same by not putting any games on PC and Microsoft until recently did the same. I don't care what they attempt, as long as they don't abuse the community or lie about their goals/requirements.
Will it work? Not likely. Should we care? No. Let them waste their time, it doesn't affect anything.
let them try ... at the end of the day, we get few extra PC games ... yay ... and also promotes game preservation via PC ... so double yay.
If only Playstation games provided the ease of pc gaming features.
Primary being very few PS games support m/kb.
If only PC games supported controllers more. Main reason I play primarily on console. So many games have shit support on PC. Playing Dark Envoy now, and it's quite frustrating since I have to switch to keyboard during cut scenes just to make sure advancing conversation doesn't also auto-select a decision. Let alone it's quite rough to select between characters and inventory screens are bad bad bad.
Anywho, similar complaints for both I find. But, I 100% agree that both PC and consoles should support both as best as possible.
As someone with a high end PC, I feel like the ease is on PS5. Too many PC games are a troubleshooting nightmare, which few people have the time for when all you want to do is pop in a game & play it.
I just use an Xbox controller on my laptop for everything 😆 .. I haven't used a keyboard / mouse combo for PC gaming since 1996
@Yui_Suzumiya
While I agreed... I also can not agree completely. Many of my PC games from pre-2000s era do not support a controller through non-official means ("non-official" means I can't map KB/M commands to a controller without the need for 3rd party apps). I would prefer not having to download shoddy apps from Joe's Programming Imporium™ just to play ye olde PC games. In those cases I make due with KB/M. Also, game preservation is hit or miss for the same reasons. The official support is spotty. Without 3rd party emulation of old PC games... for newer PCs. It's a big old mess on PC. The real disappointment will be that PS might not ever implement full PS library support in future consoles... but PC gets so much slack when there is very little official support from the major OS developer Microsoft for the same thing.
Adding to the hypocrisy of PC gamers is the fact that MS is locking down Windows OS more and more with each new update to Win 11 never mind each new numbered OS version (same on Android - iOS was always the most restrictive along with Mac OS or OSx). Eventually all PC gamers will need to morph into Linux power users just to enjoy most, but not all, of the stuff they claim they want most from PC as a platform and then they'll be strangled by much poorer and slower driver support while still paying a hefty premium for all their HW. Dual boot will be their future at best which introduces its own set of issues.
I don't think you understand what I mean by the lack of m/kb support on PS.
Over a thousand titles have PS controller support on PC.
Not even 30 titles have m/kb support on PS5.
Once you are done with the single player title, you'll go back to playing your daily shooter/looter/mmo etc which the pc gamer has mastered with their mouse and keyboard.
Why would any pc gamer make the switch?
PC is secondary to PlayStation for them. Mouse and keyboard would affect development. Live service will have it but most single player games aren’t going to have it as PC is not the focus
I didn't miss it. I explained why I, a former PC only gamer, now play primarily on consoles. I don't play MP games, and the games I tend to play are better supported with controllers on console. Let alone some games aren't even supported with controller at all on PC. On console you are guaranteed the best support since it's the primary input. The fact is, PC isn't the best choice for every gamer just like consoles aren't the best choice for every gamer.
If you wanted to only disparage consoles and ignore any benefit of console, cool. But that's not how it is. There is no perfect platform for everyone. It's why we have the hardware market that we have.
Were none of you around in the 90s?
PS already did this and likely I'm not the only PC to PS convert. Even if I were the only person on Earth to see the horrible direction of PC gaming and recognizes the PC platforms failures only got worse (DRM only became more draconian and now phyiscal games are like a myth with GPU manufacturers - not just Nvidia - making mistakes left and right with APIs degrading performance of games more than the aforementioned draconian DRM along with the asinine pricing model that everyone complains about and then prides themselves for pirating games software to save a buck when PC games are already the cheapest and I could go on forever)... PC as a platform their audience by and large and the fragmentation of HW... PC is a whole huge a•• mess! Windows is also the PCs own walled garden that no one wants to admit. Linux is only currently being seen as ok for PC gaming because of Steam OS not Proton or WINE or any of the emulation pathways available (WINE, Proton and all the others I forget the names of are all forms of emulation)... Who games on Mac? PC covers any desktop laptop or otherwise static or portable electronic non-communication device capable of running a wide array of programs users may purchase from basically anywhere... but if you play videogames... you're on Windows or trying to emulate Windows. Also the love of Steam Deck just shows PC Gamers are in a state of complete confusion.
Hardcore PC Gamer: 'I love PC fully maxed out power, can't stand 30FPS, 120FPS or bust at very high/max settings or bust. Console gamers are such peasants on cheap slow HW!'
Steam Deck launches...
Same HC PC Gamer: 'I take my Steam Deck everywhere, its not at all a dealbreaker to play huge PC games at ultra low settings at an intolerable and wobbly 30FPS in resolutions well below 720p! Also, consoles still suck.'
Sounds demented, but we see this all the time here and everywhere and its not just online. I know several PC gamers like this IRL. I was never that kind of PC gamer, but I am a graphics snob. Some of the most impressive games with the best visual presentations were console games. Driveclub is still amongst the most visually spectacular games ever created.
I wish them the best of luck.
But PC players are often a patient bunch, many will even wait for Epic launcher exclusivity to end until a game comes to Steam.
If they didnt buy the console when its games were exclusive, why would they do it now theyre not?
All you need is that one game that'll make a few switch at a time. Like a game a PC player REALLY wants.
It just doesn't work that way though. Plenty of the best games ever made were never available on PC. That didn't make PC gamers buy consoles to play them. This kind of strategy has never worked in the past and it won't work now. It's fine for PS to hold their games back and release on PC later, but to think that will boost console sales is wishful thinking. All this will accomplish is some double dipping, which is obviously good for business.
People aren't going to switch from pc to ps5, why would anyone do that for a game?
Most sony exclusives aren't all that to begin with, and pc has the option to upgrade what they want when they want it. Having access to some ps5 games, gamepass and steam.
Thinking this would happen is naive
I mean if there's 10 million pc gamers out there...getting atleast just 1 million from there is probably a good thing..right?
PC players are not a monolith, I don't know why people keep thinking they speak for the entirety of all PC gamers like they all know each other personally. You think out of the millions of PC gamers not one single person will be impatient?Well Sony is willing to bet there will be. Why would they do it now? People's feelings change and new PC gamers come along all the time that may also feel different about waiting, that's why.
PC gamers are just too patient and loyal to their gaming set ups, something they've spent a lot of money on to perfect. They have backlogs of games which many never get round to finishing or get round to at all and will always have other multiplatform releases to keep them going.
Over the many years Sony has published so many awesome titles such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Infamous, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Dreams, Puppeteer, Resistance, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo, Motor Storm, God of War, Horizon, Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne
If none of those games BEFORE all these PC ports convinced a hardcore PC gamer to get a PS5 console then why on Earth would porting them them to PC now make any difference? All PC gamers now know 100% is that they just have to be patient, which they are good at anyway to get a PS5 game 2 years later.
I get GaaS games or multiplayer focused titles but if people really want to play these games they'd have gotten a PS console years ago.
Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer.
Not sure why people are obsessing over his comment...it seems pretty simple to me.
He will do all he can to entice gamers to move to his ecosystem. As you say....exclusives existing hasn't moved many gamers over. But if they get to try them and love the games then they might change their mind about waiting 2 years.
We're in an echo chamber on this site...I've Personally seen people with Xbox and PC setups but no PlayStation. I've also seen people with small PC setups but no console. Not every pc gamer invests thousands and many may decide to put one in the living room.
They're not looking to convince all of players to buy a PlayStation...just a few...and really it is just a PR statement after all...they have to give a reason why single player won't release day 1....not to mention they also have to ensure current PlayStation gamers don't jump ship to PC. It goes both ways and they're ignoring the big L by putting any of their games off their platform.
it's not just about loyalty or sunk cost, pc is an open platform while consoles are closed platforms. If you for example want to mod, you will play on pc, no question about it. Also if you like indie games, steam is a fucking goldmine for that. I've been playing a lot of indie games over the last years and there just seems to be an endless amount of them on steam. Also not having games locked to a certain fps is a prettty big deal for me and I assume a lot of other pc players.
@Walalon Steam sales are basically the same as PS sales. I was going to buy a Steam Deck and I heard about these Steam sales but the games I was interested in were not any cheaper. Indie games were cheap and older AAA were cheap but the same can be said for PS store sales. I didn’t end up getting the Steam Deck as there weren’t any games that I wanted to play that wasn’t already on PS and prices aren’t much different
And how do you know out of the millions of PC gamers that not one single person ever went ahead and bought a PlayStation console for one or more of those games? People keep speaking for the entirety of millions of PC gamers like they know them all personally. Here's one example for you, I'm currently typing on a recently purchased PC that cost me over twenty five hundred dollars and is more than capable of running any game including Sony exclusives that come to PC and yet I still bought a PS5 so apparently I'm not patient or loyal enough to my set up, hope it's not mad at me for not being loyal.
Some of those people will consider getting a PS5 some wont. I was a PC gamer for a long time and I’m a console only gamer now. Everyone’s different.
Lol. A lot of those games were PS3 games franchises, and a lot of PC gamers picked up a PS, PS2, PS3, and a PS4 for those games. Why wouldn't the same happen for PS5??? Even the biggest PC fanboys admit they have at least one current console. There aren't as many hold-outs as you think there are. I myself got my start playing videogames on PC as a young child. PC quickly became secondary to PS even as most of my favorites were on PC... what I didn't know was that my favorite PC games were PS first-party games. And that is what pulled me more into the PS ecosystem. Now I'm mostly on PS and PC is generally post-secondary to mobile gaming. I don't play a lot of modern phone games, but many of my non-gaas 'ancient' phone games still work on my most recent phone with Android 14. So, I do play more on my phone than on PC these days... it's something else. If you told me in 1994 that I would be a console gamer. By the year 1998, I'd demand you to explain your reasoning. The chronic unchanging issues of PC forced me away and ultimately the user experience of playing and just enjoying games instead of constantly fiddling and no longer having to hope that new software will work properly kept me focused on console. Primarily PS, but I still had some fondness for Nintendo up until 2012. Xbox killed my interest in them with my relatively short experience playing on Xbox 360 for a few months during the PSN outage.
Who cares? Then just stay on PC and play the waiting game. No big deal. Sony wins in the end anyway.
Yup. If the strategy doesnt work, all they have to do is to change their mind, publish the games on PC, and they still win anyway.
If the strategy doesn't work they'll pull their games from PC yet again.
This happened before, in the 90s and yes I'm one of the PC to PS converts and ultimately it was Psygnosis' future WipEout games going to PSP that pushed me over the edge. If PS games on PC continue to underperform PS will pull out of the PC market. They know releasing day and date on PC will only give PS gamers a reason not to buy their HW and this might result in software just not selling especially since some will wait for that game to build their PC around. If that HW is too expensive some gamers will just wait for the price of HW to drop and software will be forgotten. How many times has that happened to you? Well, you forgot about it so...
I mean if there's any single player Sony games that I actually want that aren't on PC then I would buy said console to play them on. But the ones that I like that aren't on PC are few and far between anyway so no loss for me.
If I game, it's usually multiplayer titles, otherwise I like playing around with some other software.
Astro Bot is the game that just did it for me. I'm gonna have to grab a PS5 again for that.
I did this for Ratchet Rift Apart too but ended up selling the PS5 after getting my plat. Rebought it on PC and other than GoW Ragnarok and Horizon FW (which eventually I could get anyway), I haven't had a reason to downgrade my graphics, controller features, ease of recording, and increase my game costs and monthly subscriptions throughout this entire generation.
I play on a TV with a controller but this has been the absolute worst console gen for both consoles. Never in my life thought I'd be a PC gamer but I've been spoiled by the cheap costs, cross-platform controllers and mostly the unbelievably useful Steam controller config.
I hate these stupid divisive articles.
Most PC players I know also have a PS and/or a Switch. That way they get to play all the games they want when they want.
Exactly, at least if you have a decent PC and a PS you can play the online games for free on PC, and just use the PS for single player games or something.
Agreed PC+PS5 is a great como. PS5 in the living room to play mostly the new games and PC in the bedroom to play the older games I never had a chance to play like DA O or Fallout LV etc with all the mods
Yeah for example in my case PC for multiplayer and soul likes games. Meanwhile my Ps5 it's for party games when my friends show up and fighting games... We can enjoy whatever we want.. this articles like to create a fire on nothing.
I'm still waiting for FFXVI. I can always wait for a game because there's so many others to play.
Haha spiteful like a kid, because I don't like his favourite toy. Just get a PC bud, it's much better.
You should also tell me what happens in Ghost of Tsushima as I've just started that.
I was jus joking, there's no Christopher lol. Makin a point that may not matter to you but matters to others (spoilers*).
I don't think it's about pushing PC Players to Playstation.
I am pretty sure it's about keeping Playstation relevant.
They've seen how Xbox has been failing ever since they went day and day on all their games on PC.
If all the big hitters like Spider-Man, Horizon, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, Last of Us, Ghost of Tsushima etc was released same date on PC, the negative spiral for console sales would start.
I have a Series X, a PS5, a Switch and a 4080 PC Rig. The piece that ain't in use is my Series X.
If all Playstation games were to be released day 1 on PC, my PS5 would collect dust as well.
Console sales themselves doesn't boost profit a lot, but games, accessories and services do but most importantly, brand recognition.
As Sony stated in their reports, every PS5 have $700+ in sales on top of the console sale.
If Playstation Studio games were to be release day 1 on PC, the initial sales would probably be a few percentage higher, but in the long run the profit would be less, boss to the 30% Steam cut but also lower price points, piracy etc.
It doesn't take many brain cells to understand why Sony don't want to fall in to the dame trap Microsoft did.
It doesn't really make sense. Since it's going to be released on PC, players will just wait for it to become available. If they really want to entice players to play on PlayStation, they shouldn't release any of their first-party games on PC at all.
Exclusives are what make a specific console unique from others. It's still working for Nintendo, so Sony should have just kept their games on their platform as well.
Additionally, Sony should stop with these live service games and stick to what they do best, which is making great single-player games. This strategy has worked since the PS1 era up to now.
Sony game budgets are significantly higher than Nintendo game budgets, TLOU2 and H:FW were over 200 million dollars, Nintendo won't be budgeting that for any of their games.
Porting games to PC helps keep their business going, and besides their goal is to maximize profits, at this point there's no going back away from PC ports.
Im no industry analyst but I can tell you this is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Like, you have to be completely oblivious to PC gamers.
First off, there’s a reason they’ve stuck to PC and not console. Secondly, they’ll pirate/emulate your game before going out and spending $500 on a console to play an inferior version of the game when the PC release is coming at some point. Lastly, PS5 console sales have sold less than last-gen when you’ve already released many games on PC before the sequels… why would it change now?
Yea, this guy sounds like he knows what’s up. Glad to have him aboard.,,
Seriously, why do people think Sony is going after most PC gamers? There are many gamers who play on a few platforms and you are going to have a small percentage who would be willing and open to not switching, but adding a new system.
Because it has to be black or white with some people, no grey areas allowed that way everything can be "divisive" and "controversial" and blah blah blah. You know the drill.
It's not a new strategy you idiot they've been saying this since 2021. They have the numbers, they know what's important to playstation and where they make their money. Herman was just being nice, pc brings next to nothing to playstation, they made almost 30 billion in revenue last fiscal year of it 700 million was from pc its irrelevant. Day and date at best would have no effect on their bottom line at worst it would delay development times further, expose their 1st party games day 1 to stealing the second it released on pc, they'd have to pay 30% to steam and it would open themselves up to losing their paying customer base. PC fans are delusional and they're more vocal now that the toxic xbox community has migrated over their.
Sony published Helldivers 2 and over 50% of the sales were on PC, not PS5. That is what Sony has to lose if they push any more to try to force PC gamers to use their launcher and PSN.
They've already lost 180+ territories on PC as PSN doesn't exist in those regions. They need to keep what they have left or lose it all.
You seem to think 700 million is worth nothing. That's just a few games ported to PC, not the games and consoles that Sony is selling.
@Seafort, so? That's always been in their plans it's a live service game pc makes sense. People wilthin in those countries (some aren't even actual countries)can keep buying those games using a VPN like they always have. Yes 700 million is small compared to the money they make on their own store front. They're not gonna jeopardize that for a platform that has rampant cheating/stealing that encourages customers to not buy their hardware. PC is an open platform Sony can use it how they see fit, it doesn't owe steam users anything.
No, it's exactly what I said they were trying to do when Zero Dawn was released for PC.
Sony isn't trying to push anyone, pull maybe as in lure them over yes but the way this is worded makes out they're trying to force the issue which just simply isn't true
Yes it's a "terrible idea" to try and sell your console they should do like MS and not even try. Do I need to add the sarcasm symbol? You know it's ok to be a PlayStation gamer and game on PC too, the world wont end if you do.
i mean, they can try, but i doubt that PC players only will make the change. why would they lol
I like consoles I rarely PC game. But there are a lot more games I can run on PC then I can on a console. I can also run emulators on PC I could on console until the system is banned. There are games on PC that have mods that I can't get on console. Like Thomas the Tank Engine in RE2 remake. Epic gives away free games on console I need PS plus or Xbox live to claim the free game then I need to renew my membership just to play that game. On PC I don't need renew a membership to play that free Epic game. And unlike console I don't need a membership to play a game online with friends. Shifting people from PC to console won't work there are people who are strictly PC only and they love that choice they made.
I disagree. Console gaming is unique. The current state of gaming is trash, WORST CONSOLE GENERATION IN GAMING HISTORY, and we don't want to lose Console gaming to PC. We just need to get rid of all the mobile gaming aspects out. Once those business models leaked into the console business, it began to decline. There's PC gaming, console gaming, and mobile gaming, the three should NEVER mix. Keep Console Gaming (and physical media) alive!
neimahi, it is not the worst console generation not even close. I see people mindlessly repeating this propaganda spread by the media. There has never been more great games available to play and more ways to access them.
Article is trying to make this sound malicious. They just hope that people like the games enough that they'll invest more in Playstation. Such a crime wow -_-
I'm pretty sure Sony are not aiming to get the 4090 owners to go and buy a ps5 in order to play Spiderman 2.
They are looking at those Dell Optiplx users. The ones that grabbed a Optiplex on eBay and put in a gtx 1650. The ones that can't afford to build a whole new pc. But they may have the funds to buy a digital ps5. A whole system for the price of a mid range GPU.
The likes of the 1650 and 1060 and 2060 are still very popular amongst the pc community.
I have a high end PC and I would still prioritize getting the console version of a game if it at least runs at 60fps. 🤷
It's a disingenuous headline. Sony isn't "pushing" anything. There have ALWAYS been PC owners who also buy consoles. Sony simply doesn't want to do anything to disrupt that natural tendency for a certain percentage of PC gamers. Sony doesn't expect PC owners to adopt PS5 en masse but enough do to generate a significant amount of revenue for Sony for it to matter to them. Why would Sony sabotage that trend?
They aren’t going to release games day 1 on PC besides the live service stuff so what do you expect? It would really hurt their hardware business. Xbox was looking like they could do better than they released games on PC day 1 and we see the results. As it is now you can wait for PC ports or get a PlayStation.
Thing Is you are all missing the unspoken aspect of this. Any pc players enticed to get a ps5 to play exclusives rather than wait is a bonus for Sony. But more importantly, they make most of their money on the cut they take of 3rd party content sold on their platform abit like steam does on pc. This is more about not giving ps5 players a reason to just buy a pc. Xbox went day and date the next generation of consoles and they have lost half their console sales but retain activity online profiles. They realised and tried to pivot to gamespass. But it doesn't have enough subscribers to make it sustainable. Now they are having to go 3rd party to try and sort their books.
If Sony go day and date on pc, they would lose ps players to pc especially next gen. If they lose half their player base- their revenue decreases significantly. They then have less money for game development and can't take many risks. That means fewer titles in development, fewer new IP's and probably studio closures.
I just don’t really get why people play on a PC there’s no unified trophy/achievement system, one store where everything is, games just work for what system your playing on, no updating drivers/ hardware. Plug any game into a PlayStation/Xbox/Nintendo and it just works all in one place easy. And you get to play on the couch or gaming chair not some small monitor hunched over a desk.
Good, this means more games coming to pc, can't wait for Ragnarok!
More port-begging inbound
That's it ?😏 /s.
But day and date is "needed"? I think not.
They can drip feed that ecosystem and make bank.
Greed is a helluva thing, definitely my favourite sin.