Muslim game characters told to cover up

We probably shouldn't be surprised at this, but it's hard not to ask why a Dubai company has made a version of an online game tailored specially for Muslims.

[Timesplitter14]

Let me say this without thinking about any religion in particular :

I despise every single person on Earth who :

- Hates the human body
- Goes against justice and equality
- Are a nuisance to other people because of their own beliefs
- Are selfish
- Want to convert others to their beliefs
- Is a blind conformist

Now if your religion happens to fall in those categories, well I'm sorry but I despise you. It's not because you're from THAT religion, but it's because it goes against my morals (which I think are pretty justified).

Religion shouldn't be an excuse to tolerate those things. If something's evil, it's evil. No matter what.

Religions aren't the truth. If I wanted, I could start a new religion tomorrow saying that Lord Megatron wants us to destroy the world. Would you respect and tolerate my religion? Would you look at me, setting a building on fire, and say ''we must respect their beliefs''? No. Which means every religion must be regarded in the same way because they haven't been proven to be true.

[Regret]

They cover their selfs so you can fall into love with their personality, to not reject them cuz they're not so pretty and it's a protection from rapist, pedos...

[Final_Rpg]

"Let me say this without thinking about any religion in particular : " In a thread about Muslims. Hehe:):):):)

[Timesplitter14]

yeah well.... lol... you know what I mean

[Handsome_Devil]

and yes I'm a Saudi as well I do agree with what (Regret)said. and I would love to add one thing as well

why do you people actually care, you really need to keep yourselfs out of every bodys life. I really didn't see anyone who is actually complaining from the women in here.

if you actually cared enough to see what they want, you would just shut up. But in the other hand few years ago france forced women ( specially muslims ) not to cover up. And guess what happened, they all complained about it. it is a believe we have, and we accpeted the way it is.

you guys think we are not actually treating women equally, well guess what yes we don't, we actually give the women more respect more than you do.

just stop thinking your are trying to free the world. Cuz if we talk historaclly, U.S.A just startd freeing itself. For God sake 40 years ago, your country didn't give black people any rights. now in my religon they are as equal as a anyone els for over 1400 years.

and I'm sorry guys for my poor english.

http://www.dhimmi.com/Takin...

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now we are in a gaming site, so lets keep it for gaming.

[Bnet343]

http://www.yikers.com/video...

[Timesplitter14]

First, I'm not american, and I don't see why that would matter since not everyone in a country thinks the same.

Now let me talk about everything you mentionned and tell you why I disagree :

Why do I care? Well it's because YOU are getting in everybody's lives. You try to teach girls, starting at a very young age, that their bodies are some sort of devilish thing and that they must hide it. And they start to believe it. Either that or they are too afraid of what their communities will think of them if they say how they feel about it.

Imagine a girl that was raised without religion. Do you think she will just naturally hide herself like that? The answer is no. Because it's not NORMAL to do so. Because she doesn't want to do it.

I just have a furious anger toward anyone who exploits children like that. People who take advantage of their innocence to make them believe what they want. It's just wrong.

And I don't see how you respect them more than we do. I need some clarifications about that.

Also, I don't care what my country does, what my religion does or whatever. The only thing that matters is what I think. What YOU think. There are murderers in my country. There are murderers among the agnostics and among the muslims. Does that mean I'm a murderer too? No.

[Handsome_Devil]

@Timesplitter14

thats just you talking, now if I may ask you to read about Islam first then come tell me what do you think about it. and the ideas islam give for women.

Second in an early age for women ( children ) they don't cover up, from where did you get that stupid idea.

Let me throw a wild guess, FOX news ??

[Timesplitter14]

Oh no not FOX news. We probably share the same hatred for that pile of garbage.

But what I'm saying is that girls are told that they WILL get to cover up and it will be ''normal''. That's what's revolting.

I'm one of those people who will never read something if I know it'll say what I want to hear. I won't read a book on agnosticism or atheism. I'm already convinced. Instead, I'll sit down and read portions of the Bible and Quran to see if I was right to think this way.

I read parts of the Quran. I still haven't read about women, but I can tell you one thing : Just like the Bible, it's full of texts saying how it's ''fun'' and honorable to obey and serve. What I saw wasn't enlightment ; it was brainwashing.

Just to give you an example, there was a word from the editor before the real texts began. Here's what it said (roughly) :

''I wish to thank my teacher ________________ who often beat me so I could study the sacred texts.''

When I read that.... I was simply furious.

[Will_Smith]

People like Timesplitter annoy me...

you know the whole "Internet-Atheist-Rebel-W ho-Thinks-Everyone-Is-Shoving-T heir-Believes-Down-His-Throat-W hen-He-Fails-To-Realize-He's-Do ing-The-Same"

Religion isn't all bad dumbas$... They have soup kitchens for the poor, Missionaries to 3rd world Countries, Orphanages for the abandoned kids and a Church where people feel like they are not alone in this world when everything goes wrong.

but let me guess... lets focus on the bad stuff, on how they are brainwashing you, and how you and your new internet atheist buddy's must fight the good fight
............................. ........................

and so you know, im an atheist but unlike you im more tolerant and not militant. close minded fcuks like yourself can go... well... fcuk themselves. A great atheist once thought like you, if you didn't know, they called him Adolf Hitler.

[Timesplitter14]

Please point me the part where I said everything about religion was bad.

The topic here is the condition of Islamic women. Why would I go talking about christian orphanages?

And let me tell you what open-minded means : Being open-minded doesn't mean you have to accept everything. If that was the case, an open-minded person would accept and respect murder. Right? Which means an open-minded person is someone who will accept to THINK EQUALLY about every proposition and judge if they're right or wrong.

Which means... if I see a religion doing bad things, I won't accept those bad things, and that's exactly what I'm doing here.

And about that Adolf Hitler thing... that was just... weak. Atheists don't have a ''common belief''. It's every man for himslef.

[Will_Smith]

I have islamic friends, as i live in New York City and its common, and you are not only blind but you yourself contradict everything you hate about Islam

- Are a nuisance to other people because of their own beliefs
- Are selfish
- Want to convert others to their beliefs
- Is a blind conformist

the only difference is that you are just a bigot. plain and simple. Which makes me think that you DONT hate Islam for their believes, you just hate it because its the "cool thing"

[Timesplitter14]

- Are a nuisance to other people because of their own beliefs

Am I being a nuisance here? I'm criticizing. It's not like I'm forcing anyone to do anything

- Are selfish

how

- Want to convert others to their beliefs

I want to prevent them from harming others. That's different. I didn't tell anybody to start becoming agnostics.

- Is a blind conformist

considering impartial agnostics are a very low minority and that I'm surrounded by religious people in my family and friends, I wouldn't say that.

- Are a bigot

If I was a bigot, I wouldn't be reading the Bible and Quran to learn more about those religions.

Oh and I wish to remind you that the ''cool thing'' right now is to be ''open-minded'' in the ''let's accept every religion'' way

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By the way, Handsome_Devil had this to add to my ''teachers beating students'' comment (he's run out of bubbles so he PM'd me) :

''that again is tradition not religion, and for about 10 years now, teachers are not allowed to beat student. And if they did something wrong they report them to their families.

And by wrong I mean disrespect a race, some one family or say bad words.... its from this catagory.''

[Will_Smith]

Honestly fighting about this sh*t online is over-rated and old. No one will ever conceed to the others opinions because thats what it all comes down to... FREE WILL

Islamic people will continue to believe anything and everything they choose to. INCLUDING how they raise THEIR children.

and you will do the exact same thing, because we are allowed to.

John Lennon's song "Imagine" said that the world would be better off without religion NOT because of what it teaches you, but because there will always be a conflict of interest, no matter what side of this bickering war you are on

[Spydiggity]

anyone who moderately understands history knows that religion has been used to conform the masses.
anyone who moderately understands mythology knows that all modern religion is just plagiarized versions of ancient religions which we now, today, call myths.

EDIT: here, this will help get you started.
http://video.google.com/vid... (the religion part starts at 11:30 but you should watch the whole thing)

wake up people! life is not about serving your selfish needs to secure your position in the after life. it's about the NOW.

[darkgunner]

@1.4

If women are forced to take off the vale things in certain places in other countries, who cares. They came into another country and must follow by their rules. If I was to go into a Muslim religious based country and sat down in the middle of a street with a Bible, what do you think would happen?

Anyway, I know I'm about to get disagrees from this and just so you know, I don't believe in any one religion.

[JsonHenry]

Add this to the ever increasing list of why 99% of the non-muslim world hates their religion.

[Jake1111]

If this gets sensored then shame on the mods. This is only stating fact.

It is commical to see that the Muslims on this site do not truly understand their religion and what it calls for for women. Actually maybe it is better they think the opposite...

As for the women the book of Allah is emphatic that they are inferior to men and if they disobey their husbands the latter have the right to beat them (4:34). Their punishment for disobeying their husbands does not end there, because after they die they will go to hell (66:10). The Quran emphasizes the superiority of men by confirming that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their testimony is not admissible in the court of law unless it is accompanied with the testimony of a man (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslim men to marry up to four wives (although he himself had a score of them) and gave them license to enjoy their "right-hand possessions" (women captured in wars), as many as they can capture or afford to buy (4:3), even if the woman is married before being captured (4:24).

The Quran is alien to freedom of belief and recognizes no other religion but Islam (3:85). It condemns those who do not believe to hellfire (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), orders the Muslims to fight them until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193), slay or crucify or cut the hands and the feet of the unbelievers and to expel them from the land with disgrace.

As you can see. Women are not treated equal. Mohammed used women like cattle. He also hates non believers as well.

Jake

[gaffyh]

@Jake -

4:34 - "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all). "

beat them (lightly) - means using a small twig, and hitting on their hands. But even the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said himself - that those who beat their wives are not the best of the Muslims, meaning it is not encouraged in anyway and he did not himself ever harm his wives.

66:10 - "Allah sets forth, for an example to the Unbelievers, the wife of Noah and the wife of Lut: they were (respectively) under two of Our righteous servants but they were false to their (husbands), and they profited nothing before Allah on their account, but were told: "Enter ye the Fire along with (others) that enter!""

^Also the same story in Christian belief I think, I dunno about Jewish belief. This ayah (verse) talks about previous generation to encourage obedience to your husband, but obviously if what he tells you is wrong then women have a mind of their own.

I could actually refute every argument you have given, but I can't be bothered because you will not listen. And NO I'm not trying to convert you, but because of people like you, others have the wrong idea about Islam. Just read a book called Women in Islam.

And this...

"As you can see. Women are not treated equal. Mohammed used women like cattle. He also hates non believers as well. "

Mohammad (PBUH) did treat women like equals, in fact Islam gave more rights to women before any other culture and religion, his first wife owned her own business. He didn't hate non-believers, Jews and Christians were considered part of the Muslim "Ummah" (community) for many many years, but after several attempts on the Prophet's life he had to reclassify this to include just Muslims. He even went to help a Jewish woman that used to throw rubbish at him when he walked through the street, because she was ill and he was worried for her.

The Qur'an does say things about disbelievers, which I'm sure you'll quote soon lol, but when interpreting the Qur'an you need to take into account the context in which EACH ayah was revealed, and what the Prophet's hadith about these ayahs. These specific ayahs ordering Muslims to kill the disbelievers were revealed during times of War. Meaning they are only applicable when and where there is war, not at all times.

[InMyOpinion]

Lord Megatron is the new Jesus.

[Timesplitter14]

Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger Jesus

[Jeromejones]

gaffyh for clearing that up. In this day and age muslims are being singled out and criticised for many things unfairly.
If Joseph fritzl for example was a muslim, it wouldnt be about how evil he was to lock up and abuse his children, but about how islamic teachings supposedly made him carry out such actions and how the majority of muslims do such things. After all these online rebuttals i make on youtube etc, i think now, why bother! These people who speak in such a vulgur manner to insult us, are only showing themselves to be the evil ones and are ignorant and pathetic. IT wouldnt be beneficial for us even if these people were on our side because they carry those backward ignorant views.
Basically if a rapist called you a bastard, would you take his word to heart. So just let these people whine and suffer because it is their own doing.

Anyway Salamuallaekum.

[Jecht]

THE DECEPTICONS SHALL PREVAIL, DEATH TO THE INFIDEL AUTOBOTS AND THEIR SAVIOR OPTIMUS PRIME!!!!

[Pika-pie]

Lol

[Jake1111]

"beat them (lightly) - means using a small twig, and hitting on their hands."

First of all.. How do you BEAT someone lightly? And if your prophet was so loving why did he state this at all towards woman??

Why wouldnt this "loving" man say "Woman are gold. They create life with you. Do not ever harm a woman in no circumstance. Love is what will show mutual respect".

Why BEAT them??? At all. And how do you BEAT a woman with a twig? This is the problem with Muslims. They justify their unholy book with twisting of words...

Sad my friend.

Also, there are HUNDREDS of unholy calls for violence in the Quran. All one has to do is search these verses themselves.

Mohammed was a man who lusted for power. The best/easiest way to gain power and followers in 600 AD was to claim you were a prophet. He massed a large group of followers and with his new found power he raided, pillaged, murdered and became a despot who lusted for sex.

Jake

[TheDude2dot0]

"- Hates the human body

- Goes against justice and equality
- Are a nuisance to other people because of their own beliefs
- Are selfish
- Want to convert others to their beliefs

- Is a blind conformist"

Looks like you are in four of those categories. Do you hate yourself too?

[The Killer]

u need to learn more about islam

the women have to cover their body because they r beautiful and men always obsessed with beautiful women, and when they see almost complete naked women in the beaches or even in the malls and street they start to have the perversion thinking of women and start to look at them like objects not like human beings.

u see in humans there is to instincts, one is the animal and the other is the spiritual and moral, if we dont use our morals we tent to use our animal instincts, Allah gave us books and finally the perfect book the quran so that we control our animal instinct and act as a HUMAN beings and worship him and only him!

u know am fed up of seeing women in gaming or fighting game having big breast and half naked, and with every new sequence the boobs get bigger and they get more naked!! whats that? is that gaming or a s*x show? if i want a s*x show i can get porn movie or something but when i want to play i want to have fun and enjoy my time like a small kid, u see thats why wii is kicking the ars of everybody because thats what they did!!

and to all atheist, u must watch this short video
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

the quran talked about the big bang 1400 years ago
the quran talked about the earth is a sphere not flat
the quran talked about that everything was made from water
the quran talked about that everything was made of males and females including the plants
the quran talked about the sun is rotating on it own orbit
the quran talked about the earth,moon all rotating in their ow axis
the quran talked about the light of the mood is a borrowed(reflected) light from the sun
the quran talked about the universe is expanding, we all knew about these much later, mostly in the last century.

to all atheist tell me who could have known all this 1400 years ago?? if someone can answer me and convince me its not god i will be an atheist.

[Timesplitter14]

Well if we're all perverts, I don't believe it's a good reason to make THEM suffer.

If you can't control yourself, castrate yourself or I dunno, but NEVER EVER make others suffer for YOUR mistakes. That's what I believe in.

I'm also tired of seeing hyper-sexualized women in the medias, but that's a problem us men have to fix, because it's OUR fault. Not theirs. We must not start controlling women even more by hiding them. People are irresponsible and it's the sad truth.

And no matter how many times I watch that video you just sent me (even though I agree with many parts. Especially when he says why he congratulate atheists), the same problems remain :

- I don't accept to worship a tyrant. If god was good, he wouldn't want to be worshipped.

- I don't do stuff because someone told me to do it. I do it because I thought about it on my own.

- As far as I know, it's a fact that muslim women need to cover up. I don't accept that.

- Not everything is made from water.

- The greeks, mayas and egyptians have proposed simmilar theories (about the universe). Especially the Mayas, and they were ''disconnected'' from the rest of the world, which proves there was a way of finding this out.

There goes my last bubble. I really enjoyed this debate.

[paul-p1988]

im an atheist, so therefore dont believe in any religion, but if Megatron told me to do something, i would dam well do it!! haha

'Megatron says blow up cute puppies' 'YES SIR!!!' hehe

[Keele]

ATHEISM IS A FAD.

[Timesplitter14]

Religion is an all-in-one pre-packaged option for lazy conformist people.

[Keele]

Doesn't change that Atheism is still a fad.

[Timesplitter14]

Atheism is a logical conclusion, or should I say agnosticism is. Depends on your definitions

[Venomish]

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[Harry190]

I must admit that it is a fad. It's true. I consider myself a true atheist since I have logically delved into the matter and found my own answers concerning my spirituality but there are many many other people out there who are following this route simply because it is trendy amongst middle and upper middle classes with a distorted sense of reality and unavowed lack of intellect and time. They don't put much thought in it.

[Timesplitter14]

Wouldn't religion be more of a fad, then?

How many people follow religions because it's trendy? 99%

[Will_Smith]

who joins a religion for a fad?? what gets you more "cool" points.

Line 1: Hey Guys I Just Joined My Local Church Group We Are Going To The Elderly Home To Read Them and Talk To Them, Wanna Join?

or

Line 2: Hey Guys, Isn't Religion Bullshit! They Brainwash So Many Idiots... They Are So Close Minded and We Are So Much Smarter.

.... yeah, point proven

[Timesplitter14]

people join religions because it's the norm.

The main reason why I believe this is that people from the same countries usually have the same religions. So they just pick the religion from their country and that's that. They wanna fit into the group.

[Will_Smith]

oh yeah and this "new" Atheism is real rebel... grow up kid. Religion is to each his own. When you are older you'll see what i mean.

and if you ARE older... then... well.... try to move outta moms house and go see the world for what it really is

[Magic_The_Celt]

@Keele

Atheism is not a fad, atheism is a modern realization of how the world works and why we are here, it is the correct answer to the big question.

Religion, is a myth. believing in god is like being an adult and saying you still believe in santa clause. time to grow up.

[Timesplitter14]

Ok now you're trying to act like the butthurt kid who wants to look more mature by saying ''grow up''.

What I said was this : People from same countries have the same religions. So basically it means that they just pick it to fit into the group.

How is that a childish or biased or stupid argument?

''Religion is to each his own.'' Yeah absolutely. The choice to become a murderer and a rapist is to each his own too. The problem is that you see religion as something ''superior''. Something that you can't criticize like a normal belief. And I believe you're wrong

[dukadork]

making a total @ss of himself on n4g with hilarious statements about stuff he don't know sh!t about

why don't you stick to stupid statements about the console war?
it suits your avatar much better

lol

[JewyMcJew]

Handsome_Devil, Do you HONESTLY believe that forbidding Saudi women from driving or even leaving their own home without permission from their husbands / male children is "respect"? Most non-Muslims would call that "slavery".

And Regret, if women have to dress up as ninjas to avoid getting raped, than there is something horribly wrong with your men!

(I swear, sometimes I think I am taking crazy pills)

[snipermk0]

Well, fact be told.. It was Islam that first introduced rights to women. If you go through the history of Islam (which I did in my high-school), Islam was the first religion to grant women right to property 1400 years ago. And it also granted them the right to stand as a political figure. Besides, don't take Saudi as an "example" for muslims. Cos that's like painting the US as an example of Christianity. And why should it be wrong to cover oneself? Most nuns cover much more than any muslim female and I don't see them being criticized for it.

[Handsome_Devil]

first of all, who the hell told you they don't drive ??

they do drive n small cities, where every one know each other.

the fact you don't know, is why they don't drive in Big cities ?

first this subject is in the communities hand, not the religon it self. as in the religon there is nothing would say " hey women should not drive" in a matter of fact in the prophet time Women even went to war.

but as traditions changed the community in here ( about 60% ) still refuse the idea of women driving. But in the other hand ever single house have a privat driver for their women so when needed they can go to Malls and what so ever.

and saying she can't leave without permission, there is people like this but its ablout 3% of the community,

now before you go ahead and talk about some religon and countries traditions learn about them first, and stop watching to much FOX news.

[Timesplitter14]

''Most nuns cover much more than any muslim female and I don't see them being criticized for it. ''

Well I criticize them.

What's sad is that many people just criticize Islam because they're Christian fanboys. I believe there's bad in all religions.

[JewyMcJew]

snipermk0, the Prophet's first wife (before he invented Islam) was an extraordinary wealthy business woman. How was that even possible is women did not have rights prior to Islam. (yep, I also read the Quran and some hadiths)

And if Saudi Arabia is not a good example, which self-described Islamic state should be used to illustrate women's rights in Islam?

Iran?
Pakistan?
Sudan?

Odd that so many Islamic states somehow "misinterpred" Islam so consistently.

Look, I am not trying to criticize Muslims, and I do sympathize with all the moderates who must be tired of constantly having to defend their faith.

But I do believe we have to accept Islam for what it is, and not what we want it to be.

[Handsome_Devil]

Well that just make you one of the .0001% who do it for all, not only Islam :)

[Handsome_Devil]

"But I do believe we have to accept Islam for what it is, and not what we want it to be."

now here I agree with you. but if you look at the media in where you are, they still misrepresent the islam so much, Specially in saudi arabia, that made us Saudi think it is targeting us perpusly.

But if some one actually cared about it would read about the religion and learn about it before they go all nuts and fight it.

after all it is a believe and you can't force any one to believe what you like ir want.

[JewyMcJew]

Handsome_Devil, I've read the Quran, I've followed Arab and western press, and I never watch Fox News.

Oh.. and I dated an Iranian Muslim for 4 years. If you think I have bad things to say about women's rights in Islam, you should hear the way she describes it.

[The Killer]

so wats the point on bringing ur iranian girl?? for u to know, most of the iranians who goes to the west r mostly atheist and whiny people because they want to live just like europians!

answer me this clever boy

the quran talked about the big bang 1400 years ago
the quran talked about the earth is a sphere not flat
the quran talked about that everything was made from water
the quran talked about that everything was made of males and females including the plants
the quran talked about the sun is rotating on it own orbit
the quran talked about the earth,moon all rotating in their ow axis
the quran talked about the light of the mood is a borrowed(reflected) light from the sun
the quran talked about the universe is expanding, we all knew about these much later, mostly in the last century.

who could have known all this 1400 years ago?? if u can answer me and convince me its not god i will be an atheist.

[Spydiggity]

because there's 2 sides. there's logical, rational people who base their beliefs on fact and history. then there's religious people who have to be brainwashed to believe stories that contradict themselves within the same book. religion requires you to base your beliefs on faith, because if you try to look at religious stories as more than just stories copied from more ancient stories, you're completely missing the point. there is nothing factual about these stories, and there is very little historical relevance in these books either.

but the bottom line is, this discussion is pointless because it's an uninformed majority who chooses not to research the validity of modern religion and blindly worships simply because they were raised that way. you can't argue with faith. faith is an argument ender.

all you need to do is read some Egyptian mythology and the parallels become quite obvious. i put a link in the comment above, check it out. you might learn something...'God' forbid.

[demondoor]

who would want to play a game without smexy ladies in kinky clothing i mean seriously, what are you going to do for 100+ hours except stare at your avatars butt, It might as well be a nice butt with bonus points for revealing leather… =)

[snipermk0]

Iranians are not muslims.. Base fact. I thot you'd know that for someone who says he knows a lot about islam.

[samura]

Most of Iranians are shia muslims. get your facts straight.

[Bolts]

You're an idiot. Iranians are not Arabs, they're Persians. But they ARE Muslims. Thats like saying Prince Charles is not a Christian just because he isn't Catholic.

[name]

My family is christian, but most of the people who have been of great assistance to me so far have been Muslims. Timesplitter seems like a very open minded and THINKING person. He isn't like the other random bigots we get on here. There aren't any Arabic Muslims here really, mainly just black Muslims, but it's still the same religion right?

Well the Muslim women I've come across, including one that I dated, didn't mind covering up at all. They were initially Christians growing up, but converted to Islam of their own free will. They weren't brainwashed into it or anything. I'm agnostic so don't suspect any bias, but imo if they don't mind then neither should we. Although I do believe muslim countries do need some sort of women's rights movement in the same way we had one here in America.

There's a LOT of anti-woman rhetoric in the bible(including one that says women shouldn't even TALK in church), but women are very vocal about their rights, even christian women, in christian countries so the way of life usually doesn't reflect sexism.

[Bolts]

You're missing the point, and its a big one. Christian countries are not censoring their games because the bible said women should STFU in church. There's censorship everywhere, and in some cases there should be. But in Muslims countries it goes to the extreme to the point of oppression, all in the guise of religion, and I'm not just talking about games.

[Tony P]

I don't have too much of a problem with this since it's not being marketed at me. I understand some of us here have axes to grind regardless, but from what I understand, this version of the game isn't being pushed upon anyone. It's a marketing strategy enacted to entice a certain demographic, like stocking vegetarian options at a restaurant. They aren't tossing the meat, you can still order it. As long as you still have the choice to play the original or the censored version, I don't see what the huge deal is this time.

Now if Rappelz makes this the standard version worldwide, I'll be the first to call foul.

[riksweeney]

London's pretty terrible for this covering up thing. One day I saw a bloke walking along in a football shirt, dirty tracksuit bottoms and crappy trainers and scuttling along behind him was either his sister or girlfriend completely covered up in a burqa.

I don't think this is fair, but I'm sure someone will explain to me why it is.

[zagibu]

You can't use your understanding of fairness to judge the situation. Your understanding of fairness is that both should be allowed the same rights, but that's not how THEY see it. You are trying to achieve an objective view that DOES NOT EXIST. All observations are subjective.

Don't get me wrong, I don't find it fair as well, I just wanted to emphasize the problems that arise when one culture tries to make statements about another one. It's impossible to be objective.

@ Will Smith: Religion is not necessary. All the good things done by religious people you bring to the table as arguments PRO religion are also done by atheists and agnostics around the world. You don't have to believe in a completely irrational and improbable entity to love life and help others.

[PR0NE]

I just want to say that poeple are confusing religions with some old habits of some civilizations, they're totally unrelated, i have friends from almost all religions and we've discussed this...religion points in the way but poeple ignore it and choose to follow their own old customs...

[andygawg]

These people are just childish and pathetic. They need to grow up and think for themselves. Next thing you know, one of them will blow themselves up in Gamestop.

[devilhunterx]

hey, friendly fire isnt

[Magic_The_Celt]

Wow..

[earwax]

"Does this bomb make my a$$ look fat?" Muslims are Fing cave men

[GFahim]

that was one great joke.

talking about fat, do you live in texas?

[Jecht]

Listen, the reason anyone has a problem with religion is NOT because of the religion. It's because of Human mis-interpretation or fanaticism. All religions have, essentially, the same basic messages. Live a good life, spread love not hate, etc....

The problem is that religion was given to humans. And humans, as a race, are infantile and greedy. Hence, everything is misconstrued or interpreted to suit human desires.

I'm not going to pretend to know anything about the Islamic religion. What I DO know is that it bears striking similarities to Christianity, so criticizing one is criticizing the other.

And another thing I know is that once someone reaches adulthood, no religion can FORCE them to believe something they don't want to believe. I live in Canada, where Muslim women are free to cover up as little or as much as they want. It is NOT the Islamic religion that forces women to cover up. It is either their choice, or fear of what their community will do. Either way, it's not the religion that's the problem, it's the people following it.

Have the Crusades taught you nothing?

[Stoneroses6300]

let's blow some people up for drawing a cartoon!

[Jecht]

...of fanaticism, not religion.

[Ps_alm3k]

I'am a christian an all and I do believe its the people and the not religion.
Before i let any pastor, leader or anybody tells me anything. I make sure its everything sound because they could be making up crap.
If your a believer in any way, you should know right from wrong. Like drinking cool aid or strapping a bomb on you...Just know you have a freedom even in religion.

[GFahim]

why do people judge a big religion like Islam by the ACTIONS of the people? its only logical to go to the AUTHENTIC SOURCE i.e. the Quran and only then, u will find out the TRUTH of Islam. dont get ur infos from the media, the internetz, not even us users around ehre. research it YOURSELF before some of u make stupid redulous accusations

besides, if Islam treats women badly, then please explain why 2/3rds of the Muslim converts are women?...

[Da l33t Monkey]

o.m.f.g chill out..............

Maybe.. just maybe.. this is taking religion just a tiny but to serious ^^

[Main_Street_Saint]

Even though I am not Muslim I just wish to say, "Assalamu Alaikum" to those who are. Personally I say if your faith is what makes you who you are and do not hurt others then by all means be that. To have faith and truly believe in something today is an amazing thing.

[Knightofelemia]

Honestly muslim women should not cover up i think it should be againest the law to cover ones face. When they live in their country its alright but in other countries it should be againest the law. If i work at a mcdonalds i wanna see the face of the person ordering the food how do i know they won't rob me. And if they complain about how they hate how they cannot cover up their face i;d say see you go back to your country those are the rules for living over here in ther west.

[GFahim]

so u have no problem speaking to a financial advisor (for example) OVER THE PHONE even though you can't even see the figure of the person!

your logic flops man

[jazy]

"If i work at a mcdonalds i wanna see the face of the person ordering the food how do i know they won't rob me"

a list of things to do to make sure you are NOT robbed by a muslim lady:

1. Keep the till closed tight.
2. count the exact change when a customer gives u.
3. Get a proper education and a proper job (Wait....why are you talking if you are not educated?.).
4. Hope that a robber did not see this post(Stop spreading ideas so robbers come after you)

There........

NOw you will be safe ;-)

(what do you want.... a stupid answer to a stupid dilemma?)

Salam and peace be with u

[summit_5]

you guys need to calm down ,it's really nothing let me ask you guys something when God order you to do something?you do it or you say to God get lost?
so God order women to cover there body so they do , it's matter of obeying orders and it just for Muslims so if you are not Muslim and you live in Muslim country no one will force you to do so ( as long as it's not against there traditions ) , not like France they try to force women to do what ever France want ( once upon time i thought that France was land of democracy and freedom ) , when God said to man order your wife and your daughters to cover there body so no one can know them ,it was to protect them from scum people who think of women is just thing they can fcuk and enjoy , and lets face the fact who like to walk with his wife or his daughters and someone staring at her a$$ or her boobs think of how she will look naked and how he can enjoy fcuking her , they cover there body to protect them from someone dirty mind they cover there body 'coz God said so .
The one who's fighting the good fight of freedom try to convince people the Muslims are anti-freedom so "hey lets nuke them they are fcuking terrorist who care about them ", will no one tried to kick you out of your house and force your woman to cover her body ,,,,,,
so let me think for a sec oh i remember the non-Muslims soldier who rapped Muslim womens in Iraq "yeah that's what i call freedom you dumba$$ lets fcuk more and more women " , and when they cover there body this is not freedom , you guys are pathetic it's ok to admit there is someone else is right i know it's hard but you will get over it . good luck :D

[Ps_alm3k]

Bs....
I don't hate muslim at all...but could anybody answer me to why..
Muslim hate christianity outside of american boundaries..?
It doesnt make sense if they promote love tooo...
And don't give me that crusader stuff its old...

[samura]

PLEASE, stop generalizing its just wrong. Its like saying all Japanese are killers just because of a one guy who happens to be a serial killer and Japanese at the same time.

[Darkfocus]

why is it just the woman that are supposed to cover their face that doesn't seem fair why not make everyone cover their face then male and female alike?

[summit_5]

Muslims don't hate christian so let's see
" i'm Muslim i got in fight with anther Muslim so it's a just a fight then i got into a fight with christian oh no now that's mean i hate all christian and christianity so maybe i hate this christian guy and i hate this muslim guy and i like this christian guy and like this muslim so what " that was just an example lets face the fact in egypt friends are friends no matter what , so for an example your christian and you have a muslim friend you got in fight with anther muslim and you were just defending your self (not bulling on someone ) your muslim friend will help you defending yourself.

[summit_5]

i just said why read and you will know .

[zagibu]

No he won't. The written explanations basically say "BECAUSE GOD SAID SO". Now, you know what people are called that follow orders of an entity that cannot be seen, heard, nor detected by any other means in existence? They call him a lunatic and send him to a doctor. Maybe you need a better explanation. If you don't have any, I will call you crazy and not take anything you say seriously.

And please don't tell me it's to protect them from rape. In modern countries, laws exist that forbid rape, and we also have a police that enforces those laws. If you really want to bring up this argument again, I suggest you accompany it with statistics that prove the lower rape rate in countries where muslim faith is strong. I also wish you good luck with finding such evidence.

[summit_5]

Now what you do is anti-freedom let the guy read and say what ever he want don't take away his freedom let him make his own mind it's so sad to see someone like you , you need to grow up buddy , so let's get back to the main subject , so you say believing in something you don't see is lunatic ( in fact it's part of every religion in this world) so you call all the Prophet lunatic Jesus, Moses and Mohamed ( may god bless them all ) 'coz they believed of what they can't see , buddy you need to show some respect when you talk .

so lets get to the statistics first read this :

According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005.[55] Only 16% of rapes and sexual assaults are reported to the police (Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. 1992).[56] 1 of 6 U.S. women has experienced an attempted or completed rape.[57]

According to a news report on BBC1 channel presented in 12 November 2007, there were 85,000 women raped in UK last year or about 230 cases every day. According to that report one of every 200 women in the UK was raped last year. The report also showed that only 800 persons were convicted in rape crimes that same year.[58][59]
source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

and lets see these numbers and just to make sure this was just last year :

Country women rapped
United States: 95,136
United Kingdom: 13,395
Germany: 8,615
France: 8,458
Yemen: 80
Saudi Arabia: 59
Qatar: 12

source : http://www.nationmaster.com...

i'm not saying that the country is rape-free but it's way less than country like USA and that's a fact .
Have fun reading and plz be calm 'coz i don't like people to burn from the inside out , good luck :D

[andygawg]

The numbers for U.S and U.K are probably fairly accurate, but it is said that about half of rape victims never report it due to shame or misguided guilt.

In countries such as Saudi Arabia and Yemen, women have no power and if they reported it THEY would be blamed for it! Not to mention so called "honour killings," which a women who dared to report a rape in one of these countries would be in danger of. In these countries men are always "right" and a women accusing a man of rape is putting her life in danger. Your stat are meaningless.

[zagibu]

I didn't tell the guy to not read, I just told you that even if he reads, he won't "know" as you promised him, because the texts you mention don't explain anything. "Because god said so" is not an explanation. He might believe the things mentioned in the texts, but that is not knowledge, that is belief.
Please don't confuse those two radically different principles.

And about your rape statistics:
They might seem very reassuring for you at first, but they are a bit problematic. The first problem is, that rape is not globally understood in the same way. The second problem is, that in many countries, there aren't even any authorities where such a crime could be reported. And lastly, as andygawg has mentioned, it can be deadly for the rape victims in some societies to report the crime.

Also, a last question for you: You have given me a lot of good advice (grow up, show respect when I talk, calm down). What gave you the idea, that such advice would be welcome, and needed? That is a rhetorical question (it means you don't have to answer it).

[jazy]

Mind your own business......like you don't have mortgages, rapists, robers, pedo's, gang wars, credit issues, child pornography, racism, drug addiction, social confirmity pressure, stress, married adulterers, broken families and DUI to think about. (OH guess what.....btw.....OUR religion helps us muslims NOT get involved in any of these.)

Now someone told me a wise things once.........before you point at other look at your own self and your own society.

You are telling us muslims that we tell girls how to take care of their bodies and what not......BUT CAN U SINCERELY TELL ME THAT YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS DILEMMA.......when i was a teen Religion got me through it.....so don't come shoving your belief down my throat....

The world is a better place BECAUSE we are different and given that opportunity.

Salam and peace be with u

[jazy]

I believe there are two solutions to every issue....ignore it, or look for answer that are balanced.(there are no clear answers to any one situation that won't raise another conflict). So far we muslims have done it quite nicely based on religion (contrary to what fox might say..) Can you claim the same?

Salam and peace be with u