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The Sony PS5 May Repeat a Mistake That Hurt the PS3 in 2006

Sony’s upcoming PlayStation 5 is anticipated to be the mother of all consoles. A recent batch of leaks confirmed previous rumors about the gaming system’s graphical capabilities, and added a few more details to what Sony has already confirmed will come with the PS5. A recent analyst report predicts that the PS5 could repeat a detrimental mistake that held back the PS3 when it launched in 2006.

StormLegend1809d ago

If both the Xbox console is 500 and the PS5 is also 500 then no mistake will be made. I highly doubt either can be 399 or less with that kind of power. And finally many people didn't know what the PS3 was capable of such as HDMI out the box, bluray, rechargeable controllers, better disc slot, free Online and exclusives.

Ceaser98573611808d ago

TheXmanOne

Xbox Will be 599$ and the PS5 will be 499$ and winning next gen.

KickSpinFilter1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

You are just so wrong.
Not a penny more than $499.99 USD
Xbox on the other hand...

lipton1011808d ago

Ray tracing graphics cards are $2K. I’d pay $599 for a console with that capability

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StormSnooper1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

But the PS3 was 599.99 not 499.99. I would actually be very happy with 499.99 because I want both of them to make their next gen consoles a bit stronger out the gate than what we got with the PS3/xb1

blackblades1808d ago

He just trolled all ya, obviously it wont be $599.

rainslacker1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

@Storm

There was a $499 option for the PS3 at launch. The only difference between that and the $599 version was 20GB hard drive, versus a 60GB hard drive. In the long run, the 20GB would have been a good savings, since hard drive prices plummeted not too long after releases, and you could get a 500GB for less than $100.

I can't recall, but I also think the 20GB version lacked a few of the media ports, but my memory is fuzzy on that.

AnthonyDavis1808d ago

It will be $600.

“PS5 will be notably more expensive”

They wouldn’t say that if it’s only $100 because of inflation. We expect it to be $500 anyway by default. But since the specs look to be relatively greater than PS4 for its time, it will be $600.

And I’m buying it Day 1, and then I’m gonna say haha told you so.

DarXyde1808d ago

Stating things factually without any justification or evidence.

What a time to be alive.

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kneon1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

If all games are forwards and backwards compatible then they can continue to sell the ps4 as the budget model, though I expect it would be the pro with the base ps4 being dropped when the ps5 launches.

KickSpinFilter1808d ago

PS5 will play PS4 and PS5 games
PS4 will play PS4 games

kneon1808d ago

it doesn't have to be that way. Games could be required to support the PS4 for the first few years. That would allow them to carry over their 100 million+ customers into the next generation. It would lead to lower initial PS5 sales, but higher profits overall since games and services are where the money is, not in hardware.

VenomCarnage891808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

You are probably right about forward compatibility. What does anyone think the point of the PS4 Pro was? It was to get the devs used to developing for a wider range of specs. PS5 will be no different, from a coding perspective there will simply be 3 different strength PlayStations. Pop your disc into one and the graphics settings will be determined from there. I think next gen we will see a stop from the perspective of "PS5 games" and "PS4 games," there will probably just be "PlayStation games" from here on out. With the weakest system eventually getting phased out over time

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rob-GP1808d ago

This is so backwards, it's the kind of mindset Xbox wants you to have. If a game comes out and it has to work on the PS4, pro and ps5 then either the PS4 side will run/look like crap or the ps5 side won't use the full system capabilities.

I don't see why the generation this time around are obsessed with not wanting to progress and experience new things.

Sont will want people on the ps5, so apart from a few cross gen titles In the first 6months, the library will be separated. If xbox decide to allow all games to work on the s and x, why would anyone buy the more expensive upgrade? Especially if they've just got the x

Christopher1808d ago

You mean the PS4 Pro as the budget model.

nitus101808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

With PC gaming, you can purchase the latest game that will work across a range of different specifications. Of course, if you have a lower spec PC that is supported by a particular game you won't be able to display all the games assets such as 4K/8K and a higher frame rate.

It is possible that the base PS4 will be able to play some PS5 games (obviously this needs to be confirmed) but as with PC's the better-specced PS5 and also the PS4pro will be able to display more assets.

Note: All PS4's support HDR (High Dynamic Range) and providing the game supports HDR (there are quite a few - http://www.pushsquare.com/n... ) then if you have an HDR 4K Monitor/TV even though the base PS4 will only output 1080p you can still see the effect of HDR. Obviously, if the PS4 can't detect that you are using an HDR 4K TV then the fault is with your TV.

badz1491808d ago

Forward compatibility? As good as that sounds, business-wise it doesn't make sense. Few people will flock to buy the PS5 if the games can be played on PS4 even if it's only the Pro. That was why the Pro is not selling ad much as the Slim PS4. Although, BC makes total sense and will push sales.

BenRC011807d ago

Utter disaster and what holds PC gaming back. If you have to make games that can run on last gen hardware you cant push the system as hard. If they adopted that model I'm out and will be buying a pc instead.

kneon1807d ago (Edited 1807d ago )

@badz

actually it makes good business sense. As I said, the money isn't in the hardware. So if you can release games into a customer base of 100+ million from day 1 then you will sell more and make more money. Plus you aren't starting over, you keep your customer base instead if starting from zero every gen.

@BenRC01

what holds Pc gaming back from achieving it's maximum potential is that the fastest configuration is unknown at the time of development and always changing. That would not be the case here.

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seanpitt231808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

Well the pro and x are still around $399 it would make no sense for the ps5 and next xbox to be the same, next gen consoles will be $499 if Microsoft are going to try and beat Sony in power then it will cost $599

thexmanone1808d ago

Microsoft will Beat Sony in power

KwietStorm_BLM1808d ago

@thexmanone

So you've already said PS5 will be $599. You're also claiming Xbox will be more powerful. So Xbox will be $699? Good luck if that's the case.

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Jigga691808d ago

@wdbjr23

If that's the case, Xbox will be more expensive.

MS will fail again : Europe is pro-Sony, Japan hate Xbox, USA is neutral. Plus there are no exclusive games anymore on Xbox.

rainslacker1808d ago

X1X will probably drop in price before the PS5 launches. But, if Sony comes in at $399, then they're going to sell just like the PS4 did. MS doesn't seem willing to let the hardware go cheaper, and feels that their premium product should sell for a premium price. If they have equivalent features in the X2, then they'll either have to match Sony, or they'll still think they should sell at a higher price. Either way, if they don't want to take a loss on hardware, it's going to be tough if Sony comes in cheap. Sony has a bit of an advantage when it comes to sourcing parts, as they can manufacture a lot of the parts themselves. To my knowledge, MS doesn't have any major parts manufacturing facilities or businesses.

thexmanone1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

@KwietStorm

It cost me 2 grand to build my pc, i`m not worried if Xbox 2 is $700, I will get one anyways

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northpaws1807d ago

@wdbjr23

Did you just say "there have been rumors" and then "it's a real thing"?

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rainslacker1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

I think the only real big cost thing is the SSD integration. Since there are new technologies out there, and the prices are decreasing, by the time it releases, it may not be much more than a standard drive, and could make a huge difference in performance, so it might be worth it without causing undue hardship on the manufactuer to retain a profit. Plus, we don't know the nature of the SSD yet, so it's possible it's not even the primary storage, but more like a cache of very high speed SSD memory components.

This isn't the same scenario as the CELL process or Blu-Ray Drive....both of which were very costly to manufacture on their own at the release of the PS3. The Blu-Ray itself was still in it's early phases, and the reliability of the laser diodes was not that high, so the QA of bad units raised the price significantly, and they weren't even ready for the planned launch of the PS3, so they ended up delaying the system altogether because of it. Something that benefited MS greatly.

Plus, Sony threw in a lot of extra stuff which was expensive at the time. Like WiFi. While some other things weren't particularly expensive on their own, all of them together adds up to a decent amount. Like the plethora of USB ports, the card reader ports, the PS2 emotion engine, etc.

I think Sony learned a hard lesson with the PS3. While they had good intentions with the product they made, I think they overestimated the appeal of a lot of those things on the PS3. While eventually a lot of the media capabilities of the PS3 became standard fare in other devices, Sony was just ahead of the curve, and being ahead of the curve means paying more. For a game console, that isn't ideal, because the gaming consumer mostly just cares about games.

Sony made the PS4 with keeping it profitable to manufacture from the start. I assume that doesn't include the R&D costs involved, but the actual build costs. I can't see why they'd break from that, and given that Cerny is still the lead architect, he probably went in with the same idea. The SSD could be nothing more than how they felt it would have a significant gain for the next gen, so they decided to invest in it for the long term gain. Much like they did with adding the extra 4GB of memory into the PS4 this gen.

Hardiman1808d ago

Good points especially about Sony manufacturing parts because that's what the did with the HDMI ports on PS4's. So they were ready for HDR and instead of having to create a whole new system, they just implemented HDR with an update.

These things will help them in creating the PS5.

nitus101808d ago

The price of SSD's has dropped significantly over the last year and we still have over a year to go before the PS5 hits the market. I think 1TB is the sweet spot for the basic PS5 although 2TB or higher providing the price does not blow out would be preferable. Obviously, upgradability and expandability (external storage) are also important and if the SSD is something like an M2 SSD card then it is easily replaceable.

Note: M2 SSD cards normally connect to the motherboards and are very much smaller than SATA SSD's.

@Hardiman

The PS4 only has one HDMI port and you are quite correct in that all PS4's support HDR even though the base PS4 outputs 1080p. My PS4 detects my 32" HDR 4K monitor and if the game I am playing supports HDR then it displays 1080p and HDR where my monitor upscales that 1080p to 4K with HDR. Obviously, some games don't support HDR but my monitor will still upscale.

BTW. I use an HDMI 2.1 cable (they are cheap) to connect my PS4 to my monitor.

kneon1807d ago

the ssd can be added for next to nothing. There is no need to use an ssd for primary storage, so it can be much smaller, like around 100gb or so. The system will use it as a cache and prefetch data before it's needed.

rainslacker1807d ago

For the speeds they're talking about, it'd be newer SSD tech. So, while the slower type SSD's are dropping in price quite a bit, the newer stuff will probably still be up there. However, since we don't know the nature of the SSD yet, any speculation is just based on assumptions of possibilities. I don't think Sony makes any of the chips used for SSD drives. However, one consideration is that if the chips are integrated onto the motherboard, it would reduce the cost over having a separate controller chip, interface mechanisms, casings, or various other parts that go into making a PC type drive. Then the controller could just be on the northbridge chip itself. My only hope in that scenario is that they either allow for external secondary drives, or a way to insert a 2nd hard drive.

Anyhow, exciting times ahead. I think Sony will try to keep the price at a consumer friendly point. Value for the money is great and all, but there are a lot of people who just want cheap.

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bmf73641808d ago

$499 is a less bitter pill to swallow 7 years later for a console.

Benjaminkno1808d ago

People also forget that ps3 lost Sony billions of dollars.

GameCube and WiiU were more successful from a business standpoint.

So there’s that

3-4-51808d ago

* Expect at least $500 and maybe even $600 for the Xbox as there will be two xboxs......Prices of everything have gone up.....consoles can't stay at $400 and be powerful....want power? ok cool it's going to cost you

bluebenjamin1808d ago

U left so much else out dllna multi channel support, bc with ps2 some of them,bc with Ps one all of them,psp system link, array of audio choices av support hdmi optical support, ds4 support,ds3 support , linux operating sytem support the list goes on see why u left some out lol

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Hardiman1809d ago

Yet it went on to sell more than the competition and also ushered in amazing new SP IP's like the Uncharted series, the Infamous series, the Resistance series, Demon Souls(which led to s new sub genre) and TLOU to name a few.

I imagine the PS5 will be priced competitively.

TekoIie1809d ago (Edited 1809d ago )

"Yet it went on to sell more than the competition and also ushered in amazing new SP IP's like the Uncharted series"

It outsold one of it's competitors. The Wii outsold the PS3 and the Soulja console was just a desire in our hearts at the time but it ultimately won the sales war purely because it allowed us to dream of a brighter future. We all wanted one but we had to settle for less ;)

"also ushered in amazing new SP IP's like the Uncharted series, the Infamous series, the Resistance series, Demon Souls(which led to s new sub genre) and TLOU to name a few."

No one said those were mistakes... It's possible to acknowledge Sony's missteps without having to remind everyone of the positive things they made especially when it's not entirely relevant to the topic. Maybe Resistance is slightly because it was a launch title but the rest not really.

As for the price I'm completely on board with an expensive console at launch assuming the hardware is respectable for the price. The PS4 and Xbox One were definitely weaker than they should've been and we could tell from day 1 where the specs lined up with a mid end PC and then had a mid-gen reboot which also under-performed in power.

Next-gen I want a strong start. If it's too expensive for some people that's fine because it usually takes a couple years at most for the consoles to settle into their place and get developers all on board and by then there'll have been a price drop.

xX-oldboy-Xx1808d ago

Tekolie - It wasn't a misstep for the consumer, Fat 60gig PS3 was a beast. The price was completely justified. The BluRay drive also helped Sony and their partners to win the format war.

The Wii sold more, yep - my step mum got one ffs! Much like RROD inflated 360 numbers - the Wii's numbers were inflated by nursing homes.

I agree with a higher price as well, I want a decent leap over what we are playing now - GOW, HZD, DGand soon to TLOU2 all look STUNNING in HDR. I'll probably be paying $750 or $800 in Aus for a PS5. Day 1.

TekoIie1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

"It wasn't a misstep for the consumer, Fat 60gig PS3 was a beast. The price was completely justified. The BluRay drive also helped Sony and their partners to win the format war."

Nah it wasn't. Remember how we all shat on the Xbox One for costing more than the PS4 but running pretty much every multiplat worse? It was a pretty similar situation with the PS3 at launch and for a while afterwards. Late into the gen things became more even but it's never good if the more expensive system is performing worse than a much cheaper competitor when your system is supposed to be more powerful. Also Blu-Ray won the format war? Quite the victory when digital media and streaming has gained huge popularity.

The PS3 was a great system, but it was not without it's struggles. It surprises me that we like to pretend Sony didn't have it rough at the beginning of last gen because that struggle is what compelled them to make such good decisions for the PS4.

"The Wii sold more - my step mum got one ffs!"

Yes it did so why are you crying over it?

sampsonon1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

i look at ps4 exclusives and "weak" is not a word that comes to mind.

TopherMan1808d ago

"The PS4 and Xbox One were definitely weaker than they should've been"

Maybe on the CPU side, but PS4 was capable enough for a 1080p console which, at the time, was the dominant TV resolution. Xbox One not so much. The common denominator across this gen for all consoles, however, has been the weak CPU. Hopefully MS and Sony do not repeat that mistake.

sampsonon1808d ago

#xX-oldboy-Xx: "I agree with a higher price as well, I want a decent leap over what we are playing now - GOW, HZD, DGand soon to TLOU2 all look STUNNING in HDR. I'll probably be paying $750 or $800 in Aus for a PS5. Day 1."

so basically you're letting them know that you are almost willing to pay anything for a ps5. smart.
interesting, i remember when the consumer wanted to get the best price possible instead of letting companies to just go ahead charge what they want without afterthought.

Sony, sell the bloody thing for $399 and win the next gen already.
we will purchase all the accessories, and you will make a ton of money.

GET THE CONSOLE INTO AS MANY HOMES AS POSSIBLE.

TekoIie1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

@Sampsonon

"i look at ps4 exclusives and "weak" is not a word that comes to mind."

A weak system can have good games. This is basic logic mate I shouldn't have to spell it out to you. Not to mention I haven't said anything negative about the PS4's games so you're being deliberately obtuse with that interpretation of my comment. I didn't even pass a judgment on the PS4's games so you're really reaching real hard with that statement of yours.

Also I assume you want a weaker system at launch based on your second comment? Seeing as you want to misinterpret my comment can I ask why you want weaker hardware and to hold gaming back?

@TopherMan

"Maybe on the CPU side, but PS4 was capable enough for a 1080p console which, at the time, was the dominant TV resolution."

Okay and 1080p is still the dominat resolution of TV's/monitors out there so should the PS5 only aim for 1080p? I expect atleast some level of future proofing in the hardware so telling me that it hits standards that ended up being dramatically raised within 1 or 2 years of it's launch is not a good sell.

It was not just the CPU that was under-powered because GPU was comparable to a mid-end machine at the time. Most gaming PC's completely out performed the PS4 at launch and did so with a better frame-rate and higher resolution. I'm not saying the PS5 needs to be absolutely cutting edge but it should be damn powerful even if it's at a premium price point.

xX-oldboy-Xx1808d ago

PS3 used The Cell chip and propriety hardware, 360 was off the shelf parts in a box with bad ventilation. Not saying they didn't have struggles, just don't dwell on the negative - glass half full sort of bloke.

We shat on the xbox one and continue to - and for good reason. ms do the absolute minimum when it comes to delivering games. Remember they've been making consoles for a long time. Remember ms studios have been around longer than that.

That's right! It was BluRay, HDDVD and Netflix, is that how you remember it? Hahaha - you're taking the piss mate.

No one is crying over anything - happy for the Wii's success and the continued success Nintendo enjoyed with the WiiU. Oh I forgot the consumer woke up.

xX-oldboy-Xx1808d ago

sampsonon - I can't even buy a PS4 for $399 in Australia unless there's a sale hahaha.

I paid $999 for a PS3 on launch night, we get smashed over here on hardware.

A $399 PS5 won't be that appealing to the people that actually line up for a system. Mum & Dad buying for little Johnny want to pay $399.

TopherMan1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

"Okay and 1080p is still the dominat resolution of TV's/monitors out there so should the PS5 only aim for 1080p? I expect atleast some level of future proofing in the hardware so telling me that it hits standards that ended up being dramatically raised within 1 or 2 years of it's launch is not a good sell. "

Then you should buy a gaming PC. The console market has never been about putting up the high end components. The mid-grade PC is what you are going to get. And the point of the resolution for PS4 is that there was no demand for 4K as the price of 4K TVs were extremely high and there were no broadcasters or services that delivered 4K content at all. So why would Sony or MS entertain the idea of jacking up the price for anything more than a 1080p console? It would have made no sense at all.

"It was not just the CPU that was under-powered because GPU was comparable to a mid-end machine at the time. Most gaming PC's completely out performed the PS4 at launch and did so with a better frame-rate and higher resolution. I'm not saying the PS5 needs to be absolutely cutting edge but it should be damn powerful even if it's at a premium price point."

The GPU in the PS4 was capable enough to deliver 1080p gaming. Frame rate suffered due to the under-powered CPU. You keep wanting to compare PC gaming to consoles. Most consumers are not looking for the capabilities of a high end PC in a console. They simply are not willing to pay. If next gen consoles launch at more than $500 then you can expect a lower adoption rate as folks will simply continue gaming on current gen hardware until prices come down. You outlook is not typical for console gamers. Like I said, you would be better off gaming on PC.

TekoIie1808d ago

@oldboy

"just don't dwell on the negative - glass half full sort of bloke.

Take that advice when you overreact to hearing the Wii outselling the PS3 next time ;)

"We shat on the xbox one and continue to - and for good reason."

Then you can shit on Sony for when they've done similar can't you? If not then I suggest you re-evaluate your standards and stop being a fanboy.

"That's right! It was BluRay, HDDVD and Netflix, is that how you remember it? Hahaha - you're taking the piss mate."

This is what winning the format war looks like: https://www.techspot.com/ne...

Blu-ray sales in the US: 5.3%
DVD sales in the US: 57.9%

https://i.pinimg.com/origin...

Razzer1808d ago

Correction:

"4K Blu-ray sales in the US: 5.3%
DVD sales in the US: 57.9% "

I see no mention of non-4K bluray but one would assume it would be in the 30% range.

https://www.forbes.com/site...

TekoIie1808d ago

@Razzer

"I see no mention of non-4K bluray but one would assume it would be in the 30% range."

I'm sure it's higher and I should've specified in my comment the 5% was for 4k so thank you for the correction. However, my overall point still stands that Blu-ray attained a victory in a shrinking market but that overall it's inclusion in the PS3 does not in anyway change the fact that it had issues early in it's lifespan. If anything I'd argue it's removal would've made things easier because it would've been cheaper.

At the end of the day Netflix and digital is taking over with TV and movies. Blu-ray fought a battle and it's barely won it and it's potential market is shrinking further.

Hardiman1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

@Tekolie I was an Xbox fan from day one and bought an Xbox day one and a 360 day one. Now I didn't just wake up one day and say "today's the day I start hating on M$!" But I shat on the one because of the terrible policies M$ tried to roll out! That's a misstepand it got shit for price because it was a $100 more than the PS4 which was more powerful. Context is very important and those bad policies weren't the first issue for me, hell they weren't the fifth but after going through 4 RRD's one brick and their exclusives not being what they used to be, those terrible policies were the nail for a lot of fans.

rainslacker1808d ago

When he says "weak doesn't come to mind", he means that the exclusives show that the system itself wasn't underpowered. It was under utilized by many devs, particularly early in the gen, because they were all enamored with the higher level and more traditional DirectX that MS had which allowed for easier porting of PC games at the time. But, as time went on, and devs got their heads out of their asses and learned the new tech like they had done for every generation prior where technologies were usually different, the system was just as comparable as the 360, or better in the cases of games where devs took the time to properly optimize. Since devs had to learn how to use SPE style programming for GPU compute anyways, all that fuss was really over nothing, and it was a lame excuse to be lazy on PS3 ports, because it was easier to blame Sony than take responsibility. A notion that was also supported in the console war through the whole generation, despite not being relevant after the 2nd year.

Wolffenblitz1808d ago

Are you having a stroke? Because it bloody seems like it.

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sampsonon1808d ago

they had to drop the price of the ps3.

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DillyDilly1808d ago

The PS3 did not start selling until Sony was forced to LOWER THE PRICE

Moe-Gunz1808d ago

You’re wrong. America does not equal the world.

JackBNimble1808d ago

Bullshit, the ps3 was out selling the 360 pretty much every single month , and that's exactly how the ps3 caught the 360's 8million lead .

rainslacker1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

PS3 was usually sold out pretty damn quick for the first 6 months. Before the price drops. Sourcing issues. yet, it still outsold the 360 if you look at the launches on a month by month bases. It wasn't easy to find a PS3 the first couple months, and the next 3-4 you could find them, but they would often not be there very long.

There was a supply shortage, but given that they made more units to be able to outsell, I wonder why you feel they had to lower the price to make it sell? They redesigned the system before they lowered the price, in order to increase profit....or rather reduce the loss on each unit sold. They reduced the price because people wouldn't stop badgering them and saying that apparently all they had was a $600 unit, even though they also had a $500 unit, which was still more feature rich than the $400 360 at the time....which itself launched at $500. The price reduction was only on the existing units, and they did away with the $600 unit altogether and made it into a single SKU, which eventually got two SKU's with no PS2 BC(instead of limited), removal of the media ports, and then a slightly larger hard drive.

I know it's been a while, but all these facts are available, so I wonder why revisionist history of these facts is still so common place today. I mean....so many things that are patently false still get talked about as if they happened despite countless times they've been clarified. Like the statement about the 2nd job. It's like people are willing to allow themselves to appear like complete idiots unable to learn or comprehend anything new, just for the sake of the console war.

v_eno_m1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

articles like these and the argument that the price was what failed the ps3 doesn't understand the situation at the time.

Simply put, the PS3's price range was set because of the Blu-Ray disc drive. It was the cheapest BD player during launch. you're alternative was a $800+ standalone unit. The PS3 not only play BD discs, but also played games. The 360 only had DVD drives

I've got my money's worth by using the PS3 as my media player that played games. No regrets.

TheTony3161807d ago

Maybe in the US. The ps3 was selling at a faster rate in europe and surpassed 360 sales by mid 2008. Mind you the ps3 launched in march 2007 here and was ~200€ more expensive.

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sprinterboy1808d ago

Agree, tbh I can see a £429 option if Sony don't mind making a small loss on each one or if they want to make a small profit it will be £449 or £479.
Depends on what xbox does tbh, if xbox goes with taking a small loss on each console Sony will be forced to follow suit.

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I_am_Batman1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

Releasing a $500 console in 2020 isn't even comparable to releasing a $600 console in 2006/2007. Adjusted for inflation the PS3 would cost $750/720€ today. Not to mention that it was a combination of different factors that lead to Sony losing market share in the 7th gen including: The high price, releasing 1 year late, difficulty in developing and optimising games for the PS3 and the inferior network & implementation of network features compared to the Xbox 360 especially early on in the gen.

Shawn Layden recently adressed those points and called them Sony's "Icarus Moment". Sony are clearly aware of the mistakes they've made during that time so I doubt that they'll repeat any of them with the PS5. They also seem to understand that what helped the PS3 to come back despite these setbacks was a strong lineup of exclusive games. If mistakes will be made, they are more likely to happen around the relatively new markets like VR and game-streaming.

Thundercat771808d ago

You should have wrote that article. Clearly you took more time to research the facts than the writer which clearly know very little about the matter.

WickedLester1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

You're actually a little low in your calculation. 699.99 in 2006 would be about 875.00 in today's dollars (USD).

Nitrowolf21808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

But it was 600 msrp not 700

Maybe a bundle out there was, but the original entry point was $599

WickedLester1808d ago

@Nitrowolf2

You're right! PS3 was 599.99. I'm not sure how I came up with that 699.99 price.

thexmanone1808d ago

That's why the PS5 will be $599. How people keep coming up with $499 is beyond me.

I_am_Batman1808d ago

If you did the research and calculations based on expected pricetrends for the known components and speculated a bit (within a reasonable range) on APU die-sizes, yields and amount of RAM it wouldn't be beyond you anymore. $499 is not only possible but it's by far the most reasonable educated guess one can make at the moment.

Razzer1808d ago

If true then you can expect the next Xbox to clock in around $699 if Spencer still plans to ensure Xbox is more powerful. Either way, the question is what are the cost of the components, not how much PS3 would cost if released today. Based on your logic, Xbox One X shouldn't have released at $499 in 2017 and yet it was a MS made a small profit on each one sold.

rainslacker1808d ago

If that's why the PS5 will be $599, wouldnt that have applied to the PS4 as well?

In any case, we don't know the full specs yet. Plus, Sony has invested in a lot of manufacturing facilities which can make a lot of the parts, so they can source cheaper than MS does, which doesn't have the same luxury.

Plus, it's at least a year away, and I'd imagine Sony would have a price point in mind, and know what they could achieve at that price point when the time comes to actually source these materials. Those kinds of trends are pretty easy to predict with established technologies, with some variances in things like memory that can fluctuate wildly due to many factors.

Cobra9511808d ago

Inflation doesn't matter. What the market will bear does. Most people have less disposable income now than they did 12 years ago. Price a console at $700, or games at $100, because inflation, and see what happens.

I_am_Batman1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

I'd really like to read an in-depth explanation of your revolutionary economic theory where inflation somehow doesn't effect console prices, because it clearly effects prices everywhere else. I also never suggested that they should release a $700 console but if you expect console prices to stay at a stable $400 til the end of time you'd have to get used to less and less impressive tech being included from gen to gen because TSMC, AMD, Samsung and Co. aren't going to cut their margins just out of altruism for the people that have less disposable income.

Razzer1808d ago

@I_am_Batman

Technology prices fluctuate. In 2006, 1GB of DDR2 RAM would cost you $150. Today, you can get 32GB DDR4 for the same amount. Dell computer used to sell their standard PCs for over $2000. Today you can buy standard PCs for well under $1000. It is all about how much it costs to produce the components that make up the technology. In three years time, Sony released the PS4 Pro at the same launch price of PS4. So you can't use inflation to predict what the cost of items will be in the future.

Rhythmattic1808d ago

" releasing 1 year late"
It did, In the US, UK and Japan 1 year after the 360, But was still another 4 months after that until it was available in sonys strongest territories.
Thats pretty impressive that from a launch date , with 3 territories it was out selling the 360 from its launch date.

But Numbers ,Smumbers.....

I vote Kevin Butler for the worlds gaming president !

rainslacker1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

While true, $600 has a different psychological effect on the consumer when they see the price. It's why many things are priced at $x.99. People see the X, and don't associate it with X+1. Nice round numbers would be great, and some automatically add in the penny or whatever, but when you really think about it, $399, or $499, feels more like a bargain, because it's not on the other side of rounding up to a whole grand.

It's still a lot of money either way, even if you make decent money. It's not really a price which is a casual purchase, but at $399, it can be something that will get more impulse buys....like in those months where people get three pay checks and feel they have all that extra money.

Generally though, the costs of consumer products is affected by inflation, but actual price focus testing isn't considered by the consumer. The consumer doesn't think....well that's cheaper than it was 20 years ago when you adjust for inflation. They just know they're spending a set sum, based on an amount they have to spend. Plus, I think you'd be hard pressed to find people who know what inflations rates have been in that time frame, or know what the differences in the cost of living are from back then.

I don't personally complain too much either way. I manage my money wisely and buy what I want. And I was an early adopter into CD based systems back in the day, and the original TurboCD was a $499 peripheral attachment, and the SegaCD was a $399 peripheral attachment.:) Got one as a gift, brought the other. Loved it, and now gaming is cheaper, and I have more money, so it works out well for me.

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Soybetaboy1808d ago

Game over Sony if you do this, xbox your time is now!

jaycptza1808d ago

The Next XB is suppose to be more powerful than PS5 so there is no way in hell it will cost less

PowerOfTheCloud1808d ago

This + xbox will have a hard time gaining back trust from former xbox fans, who jumped ship during the mess that is xbox1.
Not to mention how difficult it will be to catch the interest of those who were never interested in xbox to begin with. Thanks to microsofts fk ups during this gen, sony should be sailing in calm waters next gen.

TacoTaco1808d ago

The next Xbox will be interesting when unveiled because MS has hinted at and rumors consistently point to two SKUs right out the gate with one being especially powerful.

RizBiz1807d ago

@TacoTaco Knowing M$, the two skus will be a normal model, and secondary disc-less model for $50 more.

sampsonon1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

If the next box is as powerful and is cheaper i will buy it instead of the ps5.
i have a perfectly fine ps4 for their exclusives and i will wait for the ps5 to drop in price or buy a used one after a few yrs.

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supes_241808d ago

Lmao!!!!! Nope, not from me. I’ve owned every Xbox per generation and I will no longer support them. I will not buy the next x box. Imo, Xbox doesn’t make games good enough for me to buy one of their consoles. Stinky on the other hand is constantly pushing out new IPs and support the already stellar exclusives they have now. Yea, I see no reason at all to buy an Xbox

Silly gameAr1808d ago

Stinky. I don't know why that made me laugh so hard.

Hardiman1808d ago

Yeah I get tired of the "fanboy" label because I just love good games and once upon a time I was a big Xbox fan. Hell I brought a few coworkers to Xbox because they only new PS2. I loved my PS2 but M$ had some amazing exclusives and it was easy.

Now the 360 started great! But my first RRD hit within that first year and after three more and s brick and games like Alan Wake becoming few and far between I checked out and I stopped supporting M$.

The One was their opportunity to win me back and that was a cluster. It wasn't the price but the terrible policies and that's when I knew I was done until something drastic happens. They've only proven my decision this gen with the decisions they've made.

supes_241808d ago

@Hardiman
I was pretty much exactly as you were with MS and the original Xbox. I loved it and I bought the 360 before I purchased my PS3, I wouldn't have purchased it at all actually but my girlfriend at the time bought it for me as a Bday gift. 360 crashed so many times, after my 3rd one I said screw it, my money went to Sony. I bought Uncharted and God of War, end of story. I was hooked and stayed with Sony since without disappointment. My One, well it started to collect dust so I sold it.

chiefJohn1171808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

3 seem to be the magic number on this site when it comes to rrod. I must be the only one to never get the rrod let alone the magically 3. 4 rrods and a bricked S? You're the problem not the console.

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WickedLester1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

Does the author not understand inflation adjustment? In 2020 dollars, 499.99 is considered a relatively affordable sticker price for a new console. It's literally what 399.99 was in 2006 almost to the penny. 699.99 in 2006 would be the equivalent of about 875.00 today.

sampsonon1808d ago

not for 95 % of the world it's not. so sony would be at a disadvantage if MS sells their console for less.
it's that simple. people will just keep their ps4 for exclusives.

WickedLester1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

What are you talking about? Inflation affects everyone who participates in a modernized economy. I'm not talking about primitives who deal in livestock currency.

ShadowWolf7121808d ago

...you do know that PS5 games won't be playable on the PS4, yes?

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lio_convoy1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

Agree to disagree. $500 is a lot of money for most people. You can use the "inflation" argument, but to counter you, paychecks haven't gone up as fast as the cost of goods, so relatively speaking people can afford these high prices even less than they could have in 2006.

Even for me, with disposable income, I'm not so sure I can, or want to, justify paying that kind of money for a console.

WickedLester1808d ago (Edited 1808d ago )

LOL what exactly are you arguing here? Sony isn't a non-profit organization. They can't give these systems away. At the same time, they have to find the right balance between price and a providing a console with a large enough jump in performance to justify to people that they should upgrade. Sure, they can put out a new console at 300.00 but it's going to be disappointing compared to what the PS4 can already do. I've always said that people can afford what they want to afford. Want to buy a console but don't have the money? Ok so maybe you don't eat out for a few weeks, put that money back little by little and bingo! You now have the cash to buy the system. Premier videogaming is an expensive hobby and videogame consoles are a luxury item. It's always been this way and it always will be. The onus is on YOU to find a way to afford it. Besides, where was all this outcry back when with Xbox One X came out at 499.99?

RizBiz1807d ago

$699.99? Where did you get that figure? The 60GB PS3 launched at $599.99, which would be $759.67 today.

WickedLester1807d ago

Yes I realized I had that wrong but I couldnt go back and edit my original post. You're right, 599.99 was the MSRP ifor the Deluxe PS3 n the US.. They did offer a 499.99 model as well but nobody wanted that one.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 9h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle20h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188117h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio17h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning7712h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga19h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv725h ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer199244m ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff218318h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga17h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan13h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit6h ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus2312h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv7212h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier50m ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

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purple10122h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos21h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-11h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac21h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10120h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic18h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead11h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Razer Kishi Ultra Review - Remote Play and Mobile Gaming Goes XL

PSLS writes: I have traveled across the country using the Razer Kishi Ultra in airports and hotels for both PlayStation Remote Play and mobile gaming in general, and I am thoroughly impressed.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 18h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos1d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken1d 5h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 14h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 14h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 14h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d 10h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 13h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 13h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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