Why I'll Be Using Xbox One Instead Of PS4 For All My Online Gaming Going Forward

by Dave Thier:
"Last week, Sony put its foot in it and has, after some apparent consideration, decided to leave it there. Epic Games released Fortnite: Battle Royale on Switch to expected fanfare, giving people who want to play the game on the go a much more accurate option than the excellent if lacking mobile port. The dream was clear: I could play Fortnite on PS4 at home, and then use my Switch when I was on the road or just out of the house. But that's not how Sony saw its dream, and it's locked my account out of ever playing on Switch."

[Majin-vegeta]

Good for you want a cookie?

[Deep-throat]

Sony is too awesome to be criticized.

The gaming community is full of weird people. People who keep defending companies... you don't see that in other communities.

[Knushwood Butt]

You do a pretty good job of it.

[Kingthrash360]

Where were you when ff14 was denied crossplay by ms? Or when they denied crossplay all last gen? Smh this is just dumb. MS just wants to sell xbl and is trying to get naive gamers to pressure Sony to do so.
When MS denied crossplay for ff14 tou didnt dre Sony talking about it publicly to pressure ms ....so why is ms doing so?
I'll tell ya...they only stand to gain money if Sony were to do so, Sony would stand to lose marketshare. Who helps the competition? When the market share was even ms was like hell no....now its saying they are sad because Sony wont play along? Lol dont speak unless you have all the details bro

[Rimeskeem]

Did you just call them awesome?

Also, Sony wanted Cross play last gen but MS shot them down. So go figure when you have double the opponents base you arent gonna give them the players /shrug

[UCForce]

So you saying that i’m playing games on my PS4 is bad and it make me anti consumer. Is that how you want to say ? And I’m not into online gaming. I used to love play online game, but not anymore.

[gamer7804]

Yup, i support good decisions not companies.

[Kokyu]

Um its everywhere there are people. Dont try to play it like its some kind of Sony cult.

[TheUndertaker85]

@KingThrash360: I actually want to know what your point is.

If Microsoft shutting it down LAST GEN was a bad thing how is Sony doing it NOW better?

Then would that not be admitting that Microsoft for the largest part has new representatives this time around compared to last time that are aiming to change policies for the better while Sony goes the other way?

As I recall also there was a MASSIVE PSN breach last gen where millions of pieces of information were taken from Sony. The result of a backend that wasn’t updated showing effectively PSN was vulnerable due to nothing but laziness and poor upkeep of servers. That in of itself is a reason to stay distanced from PSN at that point in time.

I’m really liking how individuals point to MS for its faults last gen but convieniently leave out Sony when both PSN and PS3 were frankly a disaster.

[Kumakai]

Anyone who pulls an asshole move can be criticized. And Sony is being an asshole. You’ll know the fanboys because they’ll criticize other companies like Apple for doing this “walled garden” strategy but praise Sony or let them off the hook. If you’re doing that, guess what? You’re a fanboy

[-volt-]

Too awesome? Sony has screwed up many times in the last as well. I got a $600 PS3 I can sell you.

[PapaBop]

Awesome enough that lack of crossplay is about the only way MS can realistically throw shade at Sony. They tried it the other day too with VP of Xbox asking if people want crossplay for Destiny 2 with a poll on twitter. I think it's hilarious, MS shown their true colours last gen when they refused it, now they're in second place with everything to gain, are preaching it like it's the holy grail of gaming. It'd be nice for sure but it's no deal breaker.

[notherenotthere]

@papabop

isnt that the normal way for ms throw some low punches on twitter to get there fanbase all fired up. pay off some game (journalists) and point them all towards the competitor that does it better than them. if only they would place the time and effort in their own platform they might have some decent games for a change

[Urzusix]

Apple X3

[Ricegum]

Kumakai & Deep-throat

Oh of course you two think this is awful, two of the biggest Xbox trolls on the site. If you hate Sony so much, why are you even here or care about this for that matter 😂

[firelogic]

Microsoft said no last gen because they were the market-leader.

Sony is saying no now because they're the market leader.

If MS is back on top next gen, they'll say no again because they're the market leader.

MS isn't some altruistic company who's concerned about gamers. They do what they need to in order to make as much money as they can. I guarantee if they're #1 next gen (at least in America), they won't be preaching about cross-platform play.

[notherenotthere]

@SPTMN

so if sony declined crossplay with ffxiv how come xbox doesnt have the game at all and ps has crossplay between them and pc

[ZeroX9876]

@Rimeskeem

How about fortnite with the switch/PS4 then?

[343_Guilty_Spark]

What does last gen have to do with now?

[candystop]

"Where were you when ff14 was denied crossplay by ms? Or when they denied crossplay all last gen? Smh this is just dumb. MS just wants to sell xbl and is trying to get naive gamers to pressure Sony to do so. "

Oh quit whining over the past! Now is not the time to play victims!

[ludicrous]

@deep-throat
There is literally no point in talking to these guys; they will always switch it to some past events, or something else like Xbox instead (ms fault for sony CURRENT decision), ignoring the present entirely. Strangely, this decision isn't good for Sony in the long run either when more 3rd party going cross-play and we all know where people not gonna buy them on.

I'm not sure if they know how to support Sony and maintaining consumers rights at the same time, i guess they will chose Sony if they can't have both.

And yes, i don't see this either on other sites where sony fan are up in arms about it too.

[neutralgamer1992]

Deep

No we just like Sony because they have the games so yes they are awesome

They also have more cross play titles than Xbox one and switch combined

They let us play the free to play games without requiring psn plus

Haters gonna hate

King

How many times do I got to tell yall don't you all dare bring facts up in here. Don't you understand Xbox one can play the awesome presentation on X in 4k while us poor ps4 owners only get high quality exclusives

S/

[spwittbold]

@Knushwood Butt

RIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDGE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACER!!!!

[JaguarEvolved]

Why I'll be using Colgate total toothpaste to brush my teeth instead of crest whitening toothpaste going forward.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Must not deal with other communities much.

[UltraGaming]

The whole ff14 issue was not because MS blocked cross play, it was down to the way Square Enix wanted to apply updates to the game, all updates on xbox live have to go through certification by MS. Square Enix wanted updates to land the same day as PlayStation and Pc updates MS couldnt guarantee that due to certification....

In this article last year the game director basically says Sony is blocking it, http://www.gamerevolution.c...

[Jinger]

@Kingthrash

It isn't about crossplay, its about Sony holding a 3rd party account hostage so you can't transfer your MT's and progress of that game to another platform.

[Dragonscale]

@deep, you just proved your own point seeing as you are part of the 'gaming community' lol.

[getbacktogaming]

I see that in plenty of other communities... Ever approach iPhone fans about their device's shortcomings?? Meanwhile this article is willingly throwing fuel on that 🔥 by making it a console war. No need for another this console is doing better than that one article this is about Sony taking a stupid decision, period.

[xRacer74x]

Sony can do No wrong brother.

[Babadook7]

“Why I'll Be Using Xbox One Instead Of PS4 For All My Online Gaming Going Forward”

So you can play with a smaller base of Fortnite players? Ok then.

[rainslacker]

Seems like something maybe Epic should be criticized for too. Since no one seems to know the reason why this is happening I mean. It's not like Epic is clearing things up, and they obviously know the reason why. I mean, shouldn't this had been announced to people before they went and got a free to play game between two systems? Who exactly is blocking people from accessing their content....because as far as I know, Sony has no control over Epic's servers.

[fiveby9]

Sony has treated gamer's pretty well if you ask me. Don't think we're fooled by XBox fanboys trying to use some contrived problem which impacts nearly nobody as a wedge to prop up their platform of choice. We all know if MS had Sony's numbers they'd be acting similarly. It's so laughable that people think MS is some altruistic gamer champion. MS has no choice but to seek cross-platform as they need a reason for people to stick with Xbox. Most of us are not fooled by MS and their antics. They are not to be trusted.

[Skull521]

Xbox Live is a better network, period. It's a fact, it IS a better place to play.

[pinkcrocodile75]

@Kingthrash

"Where were you when ff14 was denied crossplay by ms?" - This isn't about MS, It's about Sony
"Smh this is just dumb. MS just wants to sell xbl and is trying to get naive gamers to pressure Sony to do so." - Where has MS been shown to do this? Of course MS wan't to sell XBL subs, it's their product like PSN is for Sony, Doh!

[Atanasrikard]

Holy crap Ultragaming just owned all you who are trying to blame MS for FF not being crossplay with consoles.

[Doomster1971]

LOL. Your not wrong there mate. I don't understand it at all. I wonder if you get Shell and BP fanboys?

[nibblo]

Agree but it's also NG4, it has more MS haters and Sony lovers than a Sony board meeting.

[Muzikguy]

Talking about defending companies with a name like “deep throat”? I’m sorry but that’s hilarious

[xfiles2099]

Dont you people get it we dont want to play with Xbox You guys call our games Jap Crap call us pedophiles Why would anyone want to play with the worse in the gaming community. Xbox only wants this cross play thing so they can boast their numbers and make where you play a non Issue, Not to mention Xbox is charging for free games but you guys are to dense to call them out on it

[Aenea]

@ultragaming

No, it was MS, plain and simple, not sure why you can't see that, is he only possible reason why they blocked it, to just be dickish about it...

See, that IS nonsense what I just wrote, you know that, I know that, but it's the same type of stuff that Xbox fans keep saying about Sony now with this cross-play thing. We really, really do not know why Sony is not allowing it, they gave a stupid reason for it, yes, but it could be something technical as well, perhaps even something they don't want to admit to 'cos it might give info on some of their security measures or be a little embarrassing, I dunno, I don't care all that much, fact remains we don't know and can't possibly know why Sony is preventing cross-play with other consoles this time around but no one is entertaining other possible reasons...

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@rainslacker

Yeah, exactly, the uproar we're seeing now is not so much about cross-play but the silly thing that if you even used your Epic account on a PS4 once (and thus linked it) that from then on you can't use that account and anything data saved on it on another console.

Is that a Sony rule? That is very, very unlikely indeed. If I create an Epic account on my PC, buy Save the World there, buy a crapload of vbucks for BattlePass and cosmetics, then use that account on PS4 once Sony does not have any reason whatsoever to want to have it blocked for other consoles. Makes zero sense.
The other way around tho I can somewhat understand. I buy EarlyAccess for Save the World on PS4, buy a bunch of vbucks on PS4, also play on PC and then can not use the account on another console.
The reason why they might disallow that is that one could use the cheapest platform to buy things at any given time which would mean Sony (and Valve, MS, Nintendo) would lose income. None of them are a fan of that idea and there are probably rules in place to prevent that.

Problem is I think that Epic doesn't record where an account was first used/created AND doesn't record where things have been bought and thus they can't do something like:
"oh you bought Save the World on PS4, but bought all vbucks on PC, ok, you can't access Save the World on Switch but have access to all the vbucks!".
It's also kinda impossible to do such a thing since they have vbucks, buy them on PC with real money, but spend them on PS4 on skins, what do you want to do about that even if you have all the data? Buy the BattlePass on PS4 then play on Switch, yeah, well you bought the Pass on PS4 so that is gone on Switch together with your progress, ehhhh, so even if Epic could do such things would they even want to? It's simpler to just prevent it at all and let the public blame Sony.....

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@Skull

Nah, that is not a fact at all, there is no actual evidence to back up that claim, and no, a SURVEY paid for by MS is not actual evidence, actual evidence would be thorough testing of network conditions in many different scenarios and locations which is not what has happened.

[OffRoadKing]

And if the article stated he would be using Playstation instead of xbox going forward you'd have plenty to say about it yourself, hypocrite.

[nowitzki2004]

Weird people like Deep-throat

[Hyperstrada]

I posted something similar on another site. The people in the motorcycle community (one of my other hobbies )are generally nice and helpful to talk with. Dose not matter what brand of bike or gear you have, But on the gaming sites not so much very argumentative both for Sony and MS people . cant put my finger on why such love of a brand.

[HaveSumNuts]

All over a game like Fortnite. Sounds like OP the type of person who still dabs in 2018

[EverydayJoe]

"All over a game like Fortnite?"
Thank you. This very much!

[Perjoss]

Doesn't matter what game it is, Sony are out of line to lock your account without any warning.

[Teflon02]

Steve Sony didn't lock the account. Epic decided to do it this way as it's the easiest way to deal with it all. You can have saved data work and accounts work on both, the problem is that the accounts linking gives access to crossplay. So Epic put a block where PSN accounts can't be linked with Xbox and Switch accounts. So they don't have them cross servers. It's not like Cross Play hasn't been enabled multiple times over the past year or so. It's simply a sony said no. Sucks in a games case like Fortnite but oh well. This is how gaming always was until Sony Pushed cross platform play last gen making console and PC play mainstream, while they were interested in MS also doing the same with XBL and PSN. But MS didn't want anything to do with Crossplay until they've fallen behind

[Sharky231]

If I buy a game on ps4 I can’t take my save to Xbox or vice versa. I’ve never seen any game do that! So why all of a sudden is everybody freaking out because they can’t take their progress across a platform? Seriously tell me what other game does this? I wanna know for my info!

[Muzikguy]

You don’t dab? That was one of the dumbest dance moves I’ve ever seen

@Perjoss

Without warning? Everyone knows, should know, or should at least ask or question it. It’s not like they’re being criminal here. I wouldn’t think that if I was 12 years old and played the game on my PS4 that I’d be complaining I can’t play with all the Xbox crowd.

[Kaiou]

Aha the classic "I don't care until it effect me personally" nice.

[Kumakai]

Guess what? The games run and look better on One X. And I’ve had several cookies now, thank you very much.

How about try to be objective instead of just dismissing any thought you don’t like?

[r2oB]

And they run and look worse on the Xbox One, which is what 95% of Xbox gamers play on. What's your point?

Talk about being objective, yet ignore the overwhelming majority of Xbox gamers that play on the Xbox One just because 5% game on the Xbox One X.

[Bhai]

Hahaha r2oB, you totally pwned Kumakai... the super objective reality... hardly 5% of the XB1 demographic has xb1X... rest of the 95% or more are stuck with 720p-900p sh!te on xb1S, dead framerates and missing FX... hahaha...

While 100% of PS4/PS4PRO demographic enjoy gaming in 1080p or more upto 4K... 100%!

[quenomamen]

Thought it was all about the games not graphics ? Least that every Xbox article on N4G was 9 months ago. Ooh thats right the Xboys forgot all about that.

[Markusb33]

Well because it's quite riddiculas really. MS would not allow cross play with Sony last gen and now Sony are just supposes to help their competitors? Some people live in a dream world. Why would anyone want to play with gamers on another platform they don't own and claim to hate? Seems strange to be outraged by something on a system you dont own. More like trying to take advantage of the situation for gain

[TKCMuzzer]

You are picking and choosing your facts to suit whatever argument you are making.
Most Xbox owners own the Xbox One. Like most things its the minority making the biggest sounds, most people don't give a crap.
I amazed how many people don't see that epic are partly to blame for this farce, of course people see what fits their agenda.

[Muzikguy]

“How about try to be objective instead of just dismissing any thought you don’t like?”

Does that pertain to you as well? Just wondering.

@theArkatek

Ok? You must not be enjoying your games that much to be here “slapping your d!ck on the table”. 🙄. This isn’t a contest about who can build the best PC. I get that people have PCs and all but this has nothing to do with that. And if you don’t like Fortnite why talk crap to the people that do? Typical PC elitist? “You got your little twat wet” over typing some words on a keyboard WHOA!!! See how that works?

[trooper_]

Exactly.

If this guy wants to buy a paperweight, that's fine.

[russo121]

He should be buying 2.
MS is really desperate to force xplay.... anyway, it's amusing.

[Bhai]

"I'll Be Using Xbox One Instead Of PS4 For All My Online Gaming Going Forward"...

Okay.

[Sayai jin]

Site is toxic.

[Aceman18]

This whole situation is one big yawn imo. These MS fannies don't have a clue how to run a business so they should stop talking because if this was the other way around they'd be the first to say oh well deal with it.

I find MS fanboys to big huge hypocrites when it comes to these types of situations. They'll easy find forgetful memories when it's something they try to championing.

I bet if they were running Sony, and one of the company money men told them don't do this because they'd lose money they'd be like ok we won't allow for now.

As for this writer no one cares where you game online seriously.

[Seraphim]

It's an article from Forbes, need I say more?

[Muzikguy]

I was thinking the same thing....

Good for you?

[imtiyaz6]

Talking about ethics while MS is directly collaborating with the ICE to kidnap children.

[gigoran]

Dammit majin you stole my line

[Neonridr]

I just wish the whole Fortnite thing was made clear from the start. People say that this was an agreement that Epic made with Sony regarding the Epic account and PSN. Fine, but they should have told us all that up front, warning us that if we linked our PSN to our Epic account that we would be unable to use that account with any other console version. The fact is they didn't and now some people are screwed out of using that account on their Switch or Xbox. I don't care about the crossplay as a whole (even though it's dumb), but I do care about being able to use my account, that doesn't belong to Sony, on the hardware of my choosing.

[gamer7804]

Yah who wants to play with friends on different platforms /s. kids in newer generations want to play with all friends regardless of where. I see them all the time with Minecraft etc...

[Kokyu]

Considering kids in newer generations are eatting Tide pods and setting themselves on fire as "challenges" I think Im justified in ignoring the children of today and their nonsense.

Also if you dont get the platform your friends are on then you or your friends are pretty poor friends.

[gamer7804]

@Kokyu I'm talking about most kids that like playing Minecraft and other multiplayer games, not the small subset of stupid teens that started eating tide pods.... understandable retort though when there is no logical reason to support Sony's stance.

[SpineSaw]

Ummm not to kick a dead horse but Sony was clear when they said "no cross-play with Xbox or Nintindo". Meaning no gameplay with those platforms and no moving accounts. PC, and phones your good no worries as those are the best platforms to cross-play and move accounts with.

[gamer7804]

so you are saying, partial crossplay is better than full crossplay support with more devices? O.o

[Neonridr]

and that's fine, but why is Sony allowed to lock my Epic account to their hardware? That's not their account to begin with. As a gamer, I should be able to freely play wherever I want. That should be my right, not Sony's to dictate.

[sizeofyou]

Do you think Sony have done this without Epics consent?

[rainslacker]

True. The people now feeling jaded by their purchase over this issue I do wonder why they're jaded. It's not like cross play with other consoles was ever a selling point for Sony. No one brought it expecting such a thing....of if they did, they set expectations which were never promised. It's like the people upset that Sony doesn't offer BC on the PS4. They never promised it, so you didn't buy the system for it.

I understand saying one may want it, or promoting discourse to help maybe sway Sony, but to act all entitled and get up on a high horse because of issues like this seems rather disingenuous....or worse, the author is writing from a viewpoint of suddenly seeing the light after being completely ignorant when they made their purchase.....which in itself isn't worth taking a game writer seriously over as they should be pretty well knowledgeable about this stuff.

Author here is free to go play wherever he wants, but I don't see why his reasoning is worth an article on the issue. For every person that decides to do this, tens of thousands will stay right where they are.

[Teflon02]

Sony Didn't lock no ones account. It's literally how Epic has the damn accounts set up. It's actually annoying to see completely misinformed people cry about something they clearly don't care enough to look into.

[Banjorol]

You didn’t read the fine print. Epic agreed to the conditions and so did you

[Neonridr]

how come Epic doesn't do the same to Xbox or Nintendo when you use your Epic account with those hardwares then?

[alb1899]

They agree because that was the condition sony put....is it so hard?

[thisismyaccount]

While we all agree, that Sony and Epic should have told everyone beforehand ...

.. question here is though, who's gonna swap from 60fps on the PS4 to the switch 25ish ... all under the real message, hidden in disguise aka portability and X-Play.

I bet there is not one on the planet playing fortnite on the switch on the go thru his own hotspot ... emphasis "on the go". Via his smartphone ...

C'MON I get it, what they did is plain and simple dumb but it's not about fortnite really, the game but it has more to do with X-Play than Sony/Epic being arseholes.

[rainslacker]

People say a lot of things. But seems no one is really knowledgeable about what the issue is, or who really shoulders the blame. It's not like Sony or Epic are being transparent about it.

Since this issue is a week old by now, most people consider that its an ongoing problem that's been affecting them this whole decade, because people really seem to lose site of time frames with this stuff.

All I know is I can't see how Sony would have control over Epic's own servers, and isn't it Epics servers which are blocking play on the PS4? If it's sony, then I'd be curious as to the reason why. It's not really cross play, more like cross progression. And Sony doesn't seem to have a problem with cross progression with other games that it allows 3rd party accounts on. IIRC, didn't Mass Effect 3 have it available with an Origin account?

Only thing I could find in the compliance standards was involving purchased content, and without being specific as to not break NDA's, it didn't seem like it would cause a block like this, as it mostly had to do with the way code was signed....and all those MT and server code things have to be signed and meet the compliance standards before they're allowed on the system. Seems like an easy fix, as all Epic would have to do is submit the particular code for compliance testing.

Just my thoughts though...because like everyone else, I don't really know what the issue is.

[Teflon02]

What wasn't clear? This was already put in place from atleast Fortnites Season 3. You couldn't have the same account for PSN and XBL. All of a sudden people weren't aware when it was stated all over and I knew this from going to link my PSN to my Epic account on PC lol. You people want to ignore what's in your face then complain later. It was literally common knowledge by Season 4.

[ClanPsi1]

Did you read the Terms of Service? I'm 99.8% certain it will be in there.

[Neonridr]

why does the account get locked to the PS4 but not the Xbox or Switch though?

[SierraGuy]

Only way to "fix" it is if you re purchase a copy for switch or Xbox then you can transfer or associate your user id on both platforms iiiiiiif Sony allows it.

It won't happen ever.

[Kaiou]

Well said.

[NeoGamer232]

Maybe Epic was trying to negotiate a change to the agreement so it wouldn't be an issue? But, Sony refused. We will never know that and that maybe why Epic did not warn gamers.

Why is being able to game against any gamer on any platform dumb? That is like saying it is dumb to allow tourists to travel anywhere in the country but nowhere else in the world. It is only dumb that some gamers think that opening platforms to cross play is somehow bad. I keep saying as long there is an option for a gamer to only game against gamers on their platform I am fine with it. And that should be the default in every game. Then, there is no harm with it and each gamer gets to choose. And that is what it is all about gamers having the choice to choose not some company telling gamers they can't have the choice.

[AspiringProGenji]

Ahehe good luck transferring all your stuff among consoles. Very few games let you do this and certainly not the mainstream games. You could say that Fortnite may change that, but I don’t think so.
Me and many cried to Blizzard to let us have our purchases and skins transferred on the forums and all fell on deaf ears. If Overwatch didn’t give an F and we all gave up on that, fortnite won’t change a thing

[darthv72]

transfer what exactly? if i was jumping ship from one platform to another, i would be fully aware that doing so meant starting over on the games. Do you think people don't know that? It isnt like moving your phone number from one carrier to another.

[TheUndertaker85]

You can move phones and phone numbers to another carrier without losing a thing. Many games on mobile allow you to connect to services such as Facebook or Google to save progress that can be picked up upon sign in to said service.

Games like Grand Theft Auto on mobile also allow cloud saving where with a Rockstar account you can sign in on another device and continue where you left off.

It’s even completely possible to transfer content from Android to iOS and the other way around. Contacts, pictures, messages, settings, accounts, and in many cases other pieces of data are transferable.

Even Call of Duty fiddled with a system to transfer progress via the Elite program. Minecraft is another title looking to introduce many of the same features this gen.

[rainslacker]

I think that's his point. People seem to expect that this should be possible. Part of that is due to it being possible between other platforms, but historically, this isn't that common among different ecosystems.

I get why people are upset though, but it seems like it's more of an issue than it really is, particularly since a lot of the people I see complaining, are the same people who go on about how they're going to play all their games on X1X because it's so much better.

Honestly, if Sony did allow cross play, and this issue still came up(as it's not actually cross play), then I doubt this would even be an issue at all, because many seem to be conflating the two issues into one topic.

[Pancit_Canton]

Fortnite, PUBG and other Battle Royale would probably fade away in a couple of years. It's just another fad imo.

[Kokyu]

PUBG is already fading away like the culling, miscreated, H1Z1 etc Ive even started to see a narrative on youtube now that Fortnite is starting to decline or people are shifting away from it.

[generic-user-name]

H1Z1 has been revived on PS4. It's a game mode, like death match. Do we call death match a fad? Did it fade away?

[Tobse]

PUBG dead kek lel. Still #1 game on steam:

1. PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS 1,750,216
2. Dota 2 796,886

[Kokyu]

@generic-user-name

um not really. Most people Ive talked to dont really like it and just play fortnite.

@tobse

Thats cute number 1 game on steam with not even half the players it used to have. Even twwitch streams are jumping ship or have to fortnite.

I love how when I make a post that calls out how BR is a flash in the pan ADHD driven game people get pissed off. Hahaha

[alb1899]

Well, which ps4 exclusive has battleground's longevity?

[nowitzki2004]

BR is not fading away. There is just more options for different BR today then there was a year ago. Try it out, I guarantee you change your stance on BR, it is one of the most fun game modes out there for MP gaming.

[rivaldoo777]

Oh please do. Playstation will sell without your support. Spiderman and dragon quest are going move units.

[Kokyu]

Pretty much. They all act like MS or Nintendo havent done similar crap in the past of before. Look at Nintendo they specifically are offering virtual console this gen cause they know Nintendroids will just buy the games for the 9th time from nintendon.

[mrmikew2018]

Exactly, MS did the same thing to Sony last gen, I don't think we even saw one article on that. But now we have all this ruckus over this one particular "free to play" game.

This author as well as many others, need to grow up this is just ridiculous at this point.

[alb1899]

Online games are more relevant now, maybe that's why it concerns more this time.

[aconnellan]

@mrmikew2018

"Exactly, MS did the same thing to Sony last gen, I don't think we even saw one article on that"

I don't know if you browsed this site back when that happened, but there were plenty of articles on it. There were also plenty of people - not just N4G, but all different forums - saying that MS was the worst for not supporting crossplay, calling Sony a trendsetter and saying crossplay was the future ('imagine if all future multiplat games were crossplay, that would be amazing for developers and for friends across console'; 'break down these barriers!', etc.)

MS deserved it then, and Sony deserves it now.

And all the ruckus over this one particular free to play game is that Sony isn't just blocking crossplay with other consoles, but it's stopping you from carrying your Epic account to other platforms if you've used it once on the PlayStation. That's the biggest concern here. It's a third-party account, so why does Sony control where it can and can't be used?

That'd be like having to create a new Spotify account on my Xbox because I signed in once on a PlayStation, and then it was tied to that PS forever. We wouldn't stand for that, so why are we defending the same practice with Fortnite?

[SuperSaiyanGod41]

Why don't u just get on one knee like Kaepernick and protest. I'm sure Sony will listen lol.

[TheGamez100]

Sure ps is delivering on amazing games which is all that matters but damn how I hate theyre being so anticonsumer in some areas like crossplay. Had to tell my buddy that owns a switch the bad news. Not sure why theyre still keeping it up after all the outcries. Business is business I guess.

[Eonjay]

They are about their consumers, not Microsoft's and not Nintendo. They don't owe them shit.

[Bennibop]

Exactly they are not shitting on their own users.

[Bahamut]

@Bennibop

"They are not shitting on their own users"
What about the users that ALSO own other consoles?
You know... people like that exist. I know that seems crazy lol.
Either way though, I don't care. Fuck Fortnite lol.

[admiralvic]

"but damn how I hate theyre being so anticonsumer in some areas like crossplay."

Yeah, but they're pro-consumer in other areas. Sure, cross-play is not ideal, but it's awesome you don't need PlayStation Plus for Fortnite, or any free-to-play game, where as Microsoft has absolutely no issue requiring Gold. If anything this is one of the big problems with this issue. So many people are fixated on cross-play that they're forgetting things like the gold requirement, their games moving towards more of a service model (their last two big releases scored 69s for this and other reasons) and more.

"Not sure why theyre still keeping it up after all the outcries."

Anyway, so many people forget that the outcries really mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. Like it or not, a lot of these people posting against Sony or saying they quit will likely return when Sony releases a huge title like The Last of Us Part 2. And, even if they don't, the average player is not so inconvenienced that it will stop them from supporting them next time.

[lociefer]

Guess what happens next gen if microsoft dominates

[Eonjay]

Guess what happens when they get third place for the third time?

[sazselesbon]

This gen, they are second. Wii U is third. Don't forget that. Switch is 9th gen already.

[Bhai]

@sazselesbon,
Switch is Ninty's 2nd 8th-gen offering, launched earlier due to utter failure of Wii U. It has similar processing specs as Wii U, similar coding schemes, lesser in capability than other 'older' systems of the same gen from competitors i.e. no newer researched technology employed... henceforth with Switch gaining steam, it'll pass by xb1 in no time and that paperweight of a machine will again be in the 3rd place ;)

8th Generation Consoles, sum-up here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

[lociefer]

*sight* do i really need to explain my comment ? , IF microsoft dominates next gen they will do the same crap sony is doing you imbeciles !

[BrettAwesome]

@Sazselesbon

Well...then Nintendo will soon be second and fourth

[manabyte77]

They’ve never won a generation and never will. Listen to Spencer and Booty. Their concern is monetization and engagement. GaaS and services are their future. Their company philosophy is why their recent acquisitions don’t matter. The X360 days are gone. And Xbox has no relevance outside the US.

[rainslacker]

My guess is a lot of people will be shocked. Among those people, most within MS will be shocked, then I guess they'll make a PR statement about how they have always been the best, always dominated, etc. They like to do that with Windows a lot....because they have the dominance, even though most people don't really care for MS that much.

[shinoff2183]

So entitled are we? Don't forget how ms didn't want this when sony approached them last generation and ms said nope. My hiw forgetful some are

[Neonridr]

again, while the topic of crossplay is being discussed, this isn't the main issue being raised here. This is NOT the same as what MS did last gen. I have never seen a 3rd party account get locked to one specific console restricting you from using it elsewhere.

[Eonjay]

Epic is how owns the account. They had to do it because Sony literally can't.

[Silly gameAr]

If crossplay isn't the topic, then why does it constantly get bought up in these articles? You say it's about locking content, but it seems like people are trying to force Sony to do something that they don't want to do, and it has the babies that want everything their way upset.

Not only that, but it's something for the fanboys of other consoles to latch on too. You think they really want this? No. They think that it will make the PlayStation look bad, and their toy of choice look better. That's why they're constantly barking about it. It's pathetic and annoying.

[Neonridr]

@Silly gameAr - I think it's about Sony setting a precedent by being able to lock an account that doesn't belong to them to their own hardware to prevent gamers from being able to use it on competing hardware. That's a slippery slope and something that has never been done before.

I don't care about crossplay between Switch and PS4. If Sony doesn't want to let its own gamers play with other consoles, then fine. MS and Nintendo can play nice with each other and Sony can do their own thing.

But I do care about my Epic account which doesn't belong to Sony.

[rainslacker]

Technically, it's cross progression.

And Sony isn't locking the 3rd party account.

As best I can tell....Sony isn't allowing the play of a 3rd party account if you register said 3rd party account on another platform. This means the player has to decide if they're going to use said content from that account on the PS4, and if they are, then Epic is somehow obligated to lock the account from use on other platforms.

The reasons for this I can't discern. There doesn't seem to be any compliance standard that says this is required, and obviously neither Epic or Sony are telling us what the problem is. I feel if either of them say anything, they're just going to point the finger at one another, and people will use whichever comment from either party which supports their console war bias.

That being said, Epic will probably say something first if the heat starts to be on them. As of right now, seems Sony gets most of the blame, which they may deserve, but again, who knows for sure?

[RabbitFly]

What are you talking about? This is the norm for most games that launch on multiple platforms. The account is tied to the license you purchase, not your person.

[Neonridr]

@RabbitFly - show me another free to play game that required an account to play that is tied to hardware for progression. If that is the case, then why can I use my Epic account between Xbox and Switch freely?

I mean, stop making excuses here for Sony.

[GNCFLYER]

It's because of the XBOX American Girl doll isnt it I knew it.

How come I haven't seen a story on this yet. It is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Please someone do something.

[Atomicjuicer]

Need to google this... sounds like that game developer Barbie a while back

[GNCFLYER]

Yeah Google and enjoy..

[Kokyu]

All what online games?

[notherenotthere]

i think quite a few only with half of the userbase

[Goldenhawk521]

Sony cock blocked you, so you wanna go with Xbox now to prevent that from happening in the future cuz of crossplay and blah blah blah. Ok! I don’t have to click on the article now ;)

[notherenotthere]

the title alone is enough to make me not click the link. i cant have my way while playing with a bigger install base so i go to the platform with only half of it flawless reasoning.

[mrmikew2018]

The media is really blowing this out of proportion and these authors are only making themselves look childish by making statements like the one this guy made, like that's going to do anything.

It's a freaking "free to play" game for God's sake.

[Cohagen420]

Good for you casual, at least the ppl on PS4 don't actually have to pay for online to actually play Fortnite.

[notherenotthere]

i dont understand no one talks about that. the need to pay before you can play a f2p game while ps lets you play without a subscription

[Cohagen420]

Its the minority of ppl that are defending their crappy console of choice, who happens to be 2nd or 3rd this generation, fake outrage pretty much.

[notherenotthere]

with ms actively throwing fuel on the fire for their fanboys. a few days ago the ms vp was asking on twitter if people want destiny 2 crossplay. they are just fuelling the fake outrage

[mrmikew2018]

Well that's easy, that will make MS look bad and Sony look good.

[Goldenhawk521]

I didn’t know that. That’s interesting.

[yomfweeee]

Epic could make this work if they wanted to. They can't force Sony to allow cross-play, but Epic could have a system in place to be able to use your same character on all systems.

1) You have your Epic account.
2) You have your PS4 Fortnite profile tied to your Epic account.
3) You create a Switch Fortnite profile tied to your Epic acocunt.
4) Epic could recognize any items you purchased on your PS4 Profile. It could copy them to Switch profile
5) Same could be done for any character progress.

[Goldby]

Sony's terms of service states if you use a product on psn, it becomes a playstation product so it may not be that simple

[yomfweeee]

Nah I don't believe it. Sony can't control what these companies do on all platforms.

If the user buys a shopping cart on PS4, Epic knows it. Epic can give a free license to the same item on Switch account.

[Goldby]

I'm not saying they can't, just t it might not be as easy as you initially stated.

And it's all in the first paragraph of the terms of service for sony.

[rainslacker]

You may be referring to the clause within PSN that states that any product sold on PSN can only be used on PSN. This means that if someone brought something like DLC on PSN, then it couldn't be used elsewhere. However, there is a way around this by getting permission, which essentially can make it into a cross buy thing. This isn't usually granted unless the data in question is sold through PSN, and say if the company sold it through Steam as well, then the Steam content couldn't be on PSN.

In this case, that means the PSN stuff should be usable elsewhere, but stuff sold(MT) or possibly gained(progression) earned on say Xbox/Switch, wouldn't be available on PS.

So, considering this, maybe Epic hasn't gotten the permission to handle the content independently of Sony, or certain data can be purchased through means outside PSN, in which case, it would indeed not be allowed on PSN. The actual progression stats may have just gotten thrown into the mix, and since the account "locks" are system wide, it is kind of there for the ride.

If that's the case, then all the complaining in the world won't do anything, because it's been like this since the inception of PSN. Epic would have to actively get permission from Sony, and since Sony has given out such permissions before, I don't see why they'd deny Epic if they went through compliance standards and acceptance.

There is no way that Sony can actually control Epic's own servers. Epic is indeed the one doing the blocking. The question is, why are they doing the blocking.

[Skankinruby]

Because Microsoft paid you to write this article?

[TallonIV]

Makes sense, sony doesn't deserve your money.

[Silly gameAr]

Play whatever you want. No one is stopping you. When this fad is over, I wonder what they'll find next to complain about.

[Kumakai]

Well, you’re gonna be pleased if you have a OneX as well cuz not only do you get crossplay, you get better hardware and better performance.

[trooper_]

And no exclusives.

[mrmikew2018]

So this is the new ammunition for the Xbox fanboys, first it was 6 teraflops, then it was UHD blu-ray player, now it's crossplay......

[GNCFLYER]

Its crossplay again. They were beating this horse a while back.
It's funny how transparent it all is though. The outrage is 99% fake and the ones participating are users that dont even own a Sony console.

I check post histories on my favorite forum and it's all MS and Nintendo fans.

[yoshatabi]

No point in having the better hardware and performance if you have no games to show for it. Rather stick to ps4

[rainslacker]

And it only cost him $500. Seems like a good trade off to play fort-nite.....the cartoony game which doesn't really require that much power to begin with.

It seems that power wasn't his issue, so why bring it up? What if he doesn't have an X1X? Like most of the Xbox fan base doesn't.

Seems like a lot of effort to just get cross progression and cross-buy for one game.

[SpineSaw]

I doubt this Forbes dude ever gamed on a PS4. But just in case I'm wrong and this hack moves to Xbox I can't miss the opportunity to say.......GOOD RIDDANCE to you and thanks the PS4 platform just improved. Thank you and now move on.

[Flipgeneral]

Solution: get a PC and PS4

Between PC and PS4 (Sony exclusives) you can put yourself above these petty squabbles and actually, you know, enjoy games

[ILostMyMind]

Because you are dumb.

[2pacalypsenow]

Good for you.

Anyone else? Just get it out now.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Okay 2pac,you had me laughing.

Good show.

[CrystalFantasy]

Cool story kid

[RDOUBLE]

Xbox is a superior online network why would you play any online mulitplat on PS4. Plus PS4 doesn't offer any good online exclusive multiplayer games so it's a moot point.

[s3arch]

Killzone, Uncharted, Driveclub, GT, Wipeout....

[RDOUBLE]

Killzone is not a good online shooter. Uncharted is has average multiplayer at best and drive club is a joke.Wipe out is trash gt sport is ok but still not forza.

[Araragifeels]

If Xbox have a superior online network then why would it be easily down the online network by Script kiddie, hmmm? And Xbone family doesn't offer any great exclusive single player rather the same exclusive every year or two.

[TheUndertaker85]

Why I do wonder are you not including the fact that PSN has been taken down? By the same “script kiddie”? Nintendo was too along with numerous, NUMEROUS other companies? Even at the same time?

[Araragifeels]

@TheUndertaker85
Why do I have to include PS4 since I never mentioned that PlayStation online network is superior (average/good online network) rather I just stating that you cant call something Superior, if the online network can be easily down by a Script Kiddie.

[RDOUBLE]

PSN which I subscribe to is always taken down. Nice try trolling mctrollinstein

[TheUndertaker85]

Considering you’d then be creating a gauge based on said instance of the network going down and insisting their network would be less superior to the competition then other services hacked by the same “script kiddie” would fall into the same box

Amazon was another outlet taken down by the same “script kiddie”.

The point would be you simply cannot drop the quality of Xbox Live because of a “script kiddie” aiming to do damage wile that same “script kiddie” attacked other outlets and networks.

It’s the same tired argument. If you’re attempting to diminish the quality of Xbox Live due to said “script kiddie” then any outlet affected by the same would be in the same boat.

[2pacalypsenow]

Superior how?

[ApocalypseShadow]

It's so superior that more gamers play on psn and it dwarfs Xbox live numbers.

Yeah. Sure.

[RDOUBLE]

Actually captain dildus. There are more Xbox live customer then PSN numbers.

[tontontam0]

Why I'll be using my ps4 for online gaming instead of my xbox one. because I don't have an xbox one.

[firelogic]

I don't know why anyone would automatically assume that you could carry over progress from one platform to another. The default thinking should be that they're two separate systems.

[OpenGL]

Most people aren't going to buy another console to play multiplatform games online.

[outsider1624]

Awesome! Less of you whiners, the better.

[StormLegend]

Lol Sony does one thing and people act like it’s the end of the world for online gaming. People are really overdoing this.

[King_Lothric]

I wish all those crying babies move to Xbox one and leave us in peace. You hear them crying about Sony but you don't here them having a good time on Xbox.

Leave Playstation and leave outr community in peace. We don't need Fortnite crying babies.

[Gaming_Guru]

How can Sony lock a player from using a third party’s game?

My second question is, who expects to keep the same progression buying the same game on multiple platforms?

That should be the default mentality anyways, if I buy Siege on PS4 then buy it on Steam I will have different progressions. On EA’s account it might show that I have two copies though and might get a bonus, but it’s solely on the third party todo so.

[TheUndertaker85]

If Sony, first party, isn’t allowing said third party to run features the way you literally just stated, how is it the third parties fault?

And again, there are numerous instances of games allowing you to transfer progress. Grand Theft Auto San Andreas allows you to via a Rockstar account on mobile. Minecraft allows you to on Xbox, PC, mobile, and Switch. Call of Duty introduced the idea with Call of Duty Elite. Not to mention many games now allow you to do so between Xbox and PC via Xbox Play Anywhere.

And, ironically, Sony gave a giant speel about the same features when introducing PS Vita between PS3 yet we see how much of that turned out.

[bluefox755]

No one cares.

[maybelovehate]

The new excuse is that Sony's security isn't good enough for CrossPlay. Lol. Either way, better off playing on other platforms.

[raWfodog]

What do you think of XB being the only console that puts Fortnite behind the paywall (online subscription required)?

[maybelovehate]

Personally? Don't care.

[Realms]

Then why do you cry babies want cross play with PS so badly? PS gamers don't care because we already have cross play with the two biggest communities PS4 and PC.

[maybelovehate]

The primary reason is that PS4 players aren't as good as PC or Xbox players. Easier wins.

[Tazzy]

I've been using Xbox Live for years and when playing on Xbox One I learned Xbox users that play online are big babies I got a message a few days ago from a guy saying I suck at Call of Duty Black Ops 3 I had 40 kills and 8 deaths that's not sucking. I responded back with a message saying I had 40 kills and 8 deaths saying if you want to go 1 on 1 we can that's all I said the person reported my message and I got suspended for 2 weeks which is bs Xbox Live sucks I've been called the N word on it gamers are sore losers on Xbox.that's a fact. I took pics of how I'm respectful and I took pics of how there's losers on Xbox Live I went on social media and tagged Xbox and Phil Spencer along with the pics. PS4 is more professional nobody messages me unless they upload video clips of the maps on Call of Duty WWII when playing online or whatever I'm done with Microsoft and their enforcement idiots I'll stick with Playstation Plus from now on.

[Iceball2000]

Yet people forget that Micro$oft did the same thing when Sony wanted cross play with PS3. When PS3 was struggling and Xbox was dominating. But yet, PS3 still ended up winning.

[CrimsonWing69]

nobody cares! Yes, Sony's stupid stance on cross play is greedy and disgusting, but that only goes for cross play. I don't mind online games on their system at all. Is it a slow day in the office that this was the only article you could come up with for today?

[Opinionatedlovesme]

Lol this fake outrage over something most people don't even care about is too funny. "But what if you wanna play with your friends??" Why did you buy another console than the ones they have?

[superchiller]

Why no one cares about your biased opinion: it's Forbes, one of the lamest sites for gaming "opinions".

[LandoCalrissiano]

Been doing that since modern warfare. Why stop? All your friends are already there.

[Brave_Losers_Unite]

Go for it Xbox fans. You will be getting rekt against PC players every. single. time

[aConIsDemocracy]

Don't forget to try the fish...

[Lethaltare]

God, these gamers are so bloody fickle. How pathetic.

[jmc8888]

This seems a bit extreme. Also not very thought out. It's a stand, but not a very good one to choose. You have to pick and chose your stands in life, as while any can be morally right, some aren't worth fighting to this extreme.

Sony should allow crossplay, but let's be real, most games don't allow progress tracking between platforms no matter what. Fortnite allows this (that's a plus), which is partially dinged by some people who happen to have a Microsoft or Nintendo device. But still a plus.

Fortnite is one of the few games where you can link accounts, and it is great. But most games don't allow this. If you have two versions of other games, you have two separate accounts and any cosmetics or progress is separate. For example CoD, Battlefield, RB6: Siege, and Overwatch all don't allow any of it. If you have a PS4 or XB1 or PC version they're all separate. This has always been a thing. Always something to consider when you first buy a console or the game itself. Nothing is perfect, so you make decisions on what suits you best and buy it.

Hopefully, in the future, more games will allow progression across devices, and all platforms allow it. But as of now, what Fortnite does is pretty rare. It's not the rule, it's the exception. I don't think it's very smart to outrage over this and only buy on Xbox from now on.

It also probably had legalese in the ToS which most people didn't read. Of course it's not clear, but that's why you don't sign on the line or agree to the ToS without understanding it or the very least understanding you could be giving something up.

But Sony has also been pretty upfront about no crossplay for years. Sucks, but we were informed tangentially about the issue. We did authorize the linking of the account. Our decisions do have consequences and this isn't a major affront. It's cosmetics on a free to play game. Keep perspective. Our reactions should be proportional to the damage inflicted. Switching platforms for online gaming, 95-99 percent of games don't allow any switching seems to be a bit over the top for a response. Like a nuclear bomb to kill a fly, or at least a hand grenade.

Also if you want to blame anyone for not informing people, it actually sides a bit more with Epic, since they are the ones who allowed the linkages of their accounts and didn't make it easy for you to understand. If Epic didn't know, they missed it and were playing fast and loose with allowing such account connections. This is a complicated issue as it can introduce new safety concerns when linking accounts. Someone else's backdoor could become your backdoor.

None of this makes Sony's decision morally right, but it's not Sony's job to be 100 percent morally right. It is also a rare scenario. Even then, you still can link it with PC. Which again, still ranks it ahead of just about every other major online game, despite being scummy about X1 and Switch linkages.

[jmc8888]

There's tons of reasons people choose platforms. Friends, controllers, performance, ease of use, UI, etc. One has to take all this into account, because life isn't perfect. You choose overall what is best for you knowing none of it is going to be perfect. You can strive and fight for something to be better, but you don't want to create 100x more annoyances just because you couldn't deal with no cosmetics from a free game. That would be cutting off your nose to spite your face or shooting yourself in the foot.

We have no reason to believe that most of the other games, especially the most played ones, will change this. While anyone can do what they want, I'd rather keep my flexibility to decide for each game where I want to play. Not take a hard line stance that I won't play any future online games on a Sony platform.

A better stance might be, taking consideration of this potential for any future 3rd party linkages and not linking it. That's better then saying, all online gaming going forward on an Xbox. You live and have been burned, now you'll be careful.

In this case, it's also in effect, all over cosmetics. There is no advantage lost. You're not losing out on the better upgraded gun you have on another system. You just can't dress as a Superhero or Rocketman and can't use any cool sprays or emotes. So you don't actually lose progression. Just access to these things, and no added progression in acquiring new ones while on that device, because you'll be having a separate progression on this other one.

In the end you can create a new Switch account for Fortnite, or play it on the go with your phone. This doesn't limit you from playing the game.

Meanwhile, at any time, Xbox can do something to piss you off too. It's like people forget Don Mattrick. Compared to that this is nothing.

There's no guarantee that Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo won't hire someone and/or put out a policy that is similarly stupid at some point.

[Whitey2k]

Well u can play your fortnite I got other games to think about that's coming up

[OC_MurphysLaw]

So the defense of this practice I see the most seems to be "But MS did it first back on the 360"... And OK, fair enough....but how does that help anyone here and now? Why not say its a bad policy regardless of who is doing it and lets push for opening things up a bit? Is getting this changed going to suddenly make your PS4 a bad choice? I think not... so why are so many afraid to be critical? You can say Sony this sucks and I wish you would change and still enjoy your PS4. Sony police are not suddenly going to come out and take away your PS4... its ok to be critical of your prefered console company.

[saint_seya]

I like how all the time Sony is the "bad" guy in this "opinion articles", and how the ones that always are offended are those who are the well know xbox fans in here.
"Sony doesnt do emulation, MS do", last gen was a niche feature not needed, but now i cant live without playing games from last generation (?).
"Sony doesnt allow crossplay" Sony online userbase is double of Xbox+Switch combined, who is losing if you move for crossplay? the guys who has double of players online?

The only offended are those who have an Xbox with empty mp's that "hate" PS4, but cry for not having them to play online. Is funny isnt it? YOU CRY TO SONY TO LET YOU PLAY IN THEIR HOMECURT WHILE YOU KEEP BADMOUTHING SONY..

Go play in park and badmouth the kid with the ball and see how much you get to play with him, well thats life, if you are an annoying person, chances are that you'll end up having noone to play with!

[Spartacus10]

Sad day for PS4 gamers.
Sony being defended because MS were once just as bad. Never knew the day would come where Sony would be compared to Microsoft's low standards.

Next people will be letting Sony get away with focusing on TV too much for the PS5 because that is a mistake MS once made.

[Speak_da_Truth]

How about you white knights be consistent. You can't attack one company for something and ignore another company doing something on par or even worse. How many articles have these journalist written about Ms charging you to play f2p games? How many comments have you made ridiculing Ms for being the only platform that charges for xbl gold to play f2p games?

[Spartacus10]

Clearly you haven't been into gaming very long if you think MS haven't got their fair share of articles regarding their anti-consumer policies.
MS did stupid stuff, they got criticised and they fixed it.
Is it a really big problem to you if Sony go through the same process? Or would your ego hurt if Sony had to change their anti-consumer policies like MS did?

[ApocalypseShadow]

Sony's not even close to Microsoft's low standards this whole generation.

Ummm Sony makes music, movies,television shows and GAMES. It's part of their DNA. Microsoft doesn't make those things. So why did they concentrate on it? They don't even make enough games.

[Spartacus10]

When I said 'low standards' I wasn't talking about products. I was talking about policies and ethics.

It's shocking to see so many people defend bad practices and ethics by using the argument "another company was once just as bad". That argument would actually make sense if that other company got away with it, but they didn't. They quiet rightly got roasted and had to change. Today are in a better position regarding cross-platform play. That is because of true gamers who criticised a corporation without holding back. Not blind loyalists.

I just don't understand whats in it for people who get triggered when a company gets bad press for anti-consumer policies. Surely Sony doesn't have this many shareholders who are N4G users.

[Realms]

Nah we just see the hypocrisy in a lot of you xbox fanboys. MS always tries underhanded PR stunts like the power of the cloud, or true 4k or how about the best line up in history. Let's pretend that MS genuinely wants cross play for the right reasons which they don't, would MS allow cross play if they where the ones in the lead this gen? No they wouldn't how do I know this because they have said no in the past. What puzzles me is that MS fanboys hate PS so much yet want to play with their user base it makes no sense at all must be lonely playing amongst yourselves.

[jackdaddy]

Why does it even matter? I'm happy for you.

[SarsOxley]

Haha, I'm not even gonna open the article since I have the same choice as the author to either do something or not...and to explain my reasoning after I say that I have all 3 consoles.
I don't think Sony put it's foot in anything...more like IT appeared around Sony's foot and it pissed people off because Sony decided not to move. Good or bad, it is what it is, how many games actually let you freely play on multiple consoles like that anyway? FFXIV let's you migrate for a cost if I remember right? Not just log in on what ever platform you want...are there others that do? (totally honest question because I don't know).
Leading to my biggest issue:
"The dream was clear: I could play Fortnite on PS4 at home, and then use my Switch when I was on the road or just out of the house."!?!?!?!?!
Who's dream is this??? Just yours'? Mine? The world?
Why is it so clear??? Did Epic say you would be able to do that? Was it Nintendo? Was it Big Buck Bunny?
Call it what it is before you spout off at the mouth...you had a vision that you personally created in your head about an announcement and it didn't play out the way you wanted it...that sound more familiar....oh yeah....because we deal with it on a regular basis as a part of this lifestyle!!!
Another game recently deserved the flack it got and struggled to redeem itself because it's developer openly made claims that weren't there on delivery...I must have missed the part of the reveal for Nintendo that said "play on your PS4 before work and jump right back into the lobby on your Switch on the train!"
Man, screw Bethesda if that's the way it works! I should be able to freely hop between all 42.5 versions of Skyrim with the same character.
Can you jump between the mobile app and PS4? If not, a betting person would have realized that you wouldn't be able to do it on Switch either before ever booting it.

*Dear internet, Please grow the hell up! Love, SarsOxley :)

Sorry for the rant...it's been a long day.

[TheDreamCorridor]

The real issue is that people need to shut up about Fortnite and play other games. Seriously, what’re you? 12?

[DafunkyRebel]

Good riddance

[Haki1112]

Just get a PC and enjoy XB1 and ps4 exclusives in one place =D

[RoseSapphire]

Was this article supposed to be persuasive or intriguing?

Not many people game online on multiple platforms and I'm far more likely to play on the system I am most comfortable with and have the most friends on. PS4 is far and away the largest online community this generation for consoles. Why would I want to leave that?

Have fun elsewhere.

[Yetter]

Crossplay is another discussion. Just don't lock people out of their accounts on other platforms, surely this isn't too much to ask

[sazselesbon]

Sony can do no wrong!

[CVTURBO1]

Do all you fortnite players have no lives? Must you be playing 24/7 even when you're out of the house? Shut the fuck up and do something productive with your lives...

[UNCHARTED2FANATIC]

Congratulations now you get to play with switch players and sony is cancer /s

[J-DARKnes]

Good for you buddy, happy gaming

[RyanShutup]

xbox would do the same thing if it was the online player base leader this gen... that being said sony should still open it up. Cross play is pretty badass.

[BLAKHOODe]

Just wake me up to sign on whenever someone files a class action lawsuits against Sony for this. I love free stuff.

[sampsonon]

bye

[fsydow1]

Go ahead mate not like we care where you play your online games on.

[Donjune]

Cesspool

[Realms]

LOL. Do you need to write an article to do that? This fool acting like just because he feels some type of way everyone should feel like he does.

[yoshatabi]

Yeah, no one cares.

[quenomamen]

Stopped reading when I saw Forbes, go back to writing about junk bonds and the tech bubble Hoss. Let me change my gaming choices on what Mr. Forbes says. Let me guess he thinks the New COD is gonna be awesome!

[AmUnRa]

And uet another one: bad Sony Is blocking crosplay "opinionpiece" How many of them are here on N4G the last week? Ten or so?
Yeah whe know it, Sony blocks crossplay just like Microsoft did it with the Xbox360..next🙄

[Smokehouse]

It’ll be interesting to see how fast they cave to the casuals. I couldn’t give a crap less about fortnite or any other battle royale game.

[Jalapeno]

I'm not buying more Playstation games or consoles until Sony changes its stance on this very issue. They might want to do it sooner than later before the PS5 comes out or that is one console I will not be getting either.

[DialgaMarine]

Ok.

[Banjorol]

Cool bro

[AmUnRa]

Thats your decision but you are gonna mis out alot of AAA PS only games, and alot of online games that you can play with the biggest online playerpool on consoles.
And i have played online on XBL. But the XBL community is toxic as hell.

[Tsar4ever01]

As if any 80+ million with PSN online PlayStation gamers gives a F***K!!

[PurpHerbison]

Fortnite got people acting wild. Calm down.

[DialgaMarine]

Ok. I should make an article talking about why I’ll be buying all Xbox “exclusives” on my PC lol

I won’t though, because just like this article, no one will care.

[Markusb33]

Good for you. Thank for writting an article about it. Little bit naracistic though

[corroios]

Why is this even news?

[xRacer74x]

Seems silly to change for one online game if you really like Sony that much.

[OzzY-waZZy]

Cry me a river. As long as PS keeps giving me the games I couldn't care less about xplay and xbone.

Bring on the games!

[cla2]

2 things I don't give a damn about.
"Opinion pieces" & Fortnite

[Biunpe05]

Too bad all your friends won't be!

[Platformgamer]

bye

[CaptainOmega]

This is so petty and hyperbolic.

[killswitch80]

Fortnite stinks...Realm Royalle is where its at

[jznrpg]

More MS advertising

[sin7279]

Lol forbes gtfo!

[cliveo32]

Bye

[Elda]

LMAO!! Bye bye!!

[joab777]

Well, except for the online on all the games I can’t play on X1. I’m not buying a console for $400 to be able to play a game with someone who is not on that console.

While it’s a nice feature for sure, and while I believe Sony shouldn’t close themselves off in this regard, in no way would it make me stop playing on a console I love.

[Spenok]

Whoop dee doo!... Who cares?

[inxine]

you do you mate. im glad you found ur happy place. haha.

[Mylove1516]

Im not sure how it works but map packs for COD don't go to X1 if i buy them on my PS4. Nither does stuff from my ubisoft account or my blizzard account or any other account so why is epic accounts so special? This just seems way overblown to me.

[ShadowWolf712]

OK so here's my thing.

We never got reports about Epic accounts being locked out of other consoles before. Period. Even when Xbox One and PS4 had no cross play, there were no reports on how you couldn't have your account connected to both. It just wasn't a thing.

But now? Now suddenly the Switch version is out and it does. It keeps literally anyone from connecting their account to a Switch, when this was never once and issue before. And then the "Money" bit... even though they do indeed have corss play with PC. On quite a few games. So it's not as if they're somehow completely opposed to the idea.

And finally, and weirdest of all... These are Epic's accounts, on Epic's servers. How can Sony tell them what they can and cannot allow on the server side of account LINKING? And why would they only NOW start?

Something feels really weird about this whole thing, and I can't help but feel there's a ton more to it than we're being told.

[pinkystinkinc]

this is the same kind of blockheadedness that dethroned nintendo

[Dragonscale]

Is this article supposed to increase xbone popularity or something lol. Good luck with that.

[dekke]

i rly dont need xbox teens to play any online games with me, they can yell each other, and cry some rivers =)

[Razuel]

mouse/keyboard disabled?

[PaleMoonDeath]

Filthy Fortnite casual, begone.

[GoodnessGreatness]

People still play Fortnite? It's one of the most boring game ever.

[patterson]

Lol who cares! Omg

[amazinglover]

@UltraGaming @SPTMN that isn't the original reason it was blocked by MS https://kotaku.com/final-fa... this is from 2013 when the game first came out your article is from 2017 after they had a change of policy.

Also MS did allow some games on a case by case basis back then to allow cross-play FFXI being one of them.

[searcam01]

I just wondering why I can't use my EA account on my PC for my Xbox and PS4 so I don't have to buy all my dlc all over again. Oh wait.... So many fanboys just need something to be better than the other. It's business people, get over it.

[ClanPsi1]

I've never read a Forbes article before. Is the site in general just a medium for privileged hipsters to whine and cry, or is OP unique?

As for moving accounts between platforms, do any other games let you do that? People are crying about Fortnite, but surely it's one of the, if not the, first to do it. Will people be crying next because their achievements and trophies don't carry over between platforms?

[Homunculus]

I have a better stop playing generic online games

[tagzskie]

If i want to play online games specially fortnite i rather play it on pc or ps4. Because it's totally free w/out needing psn+ unlike xbox. Yeah it's good option if you can play it portable, but really it's not a big deal like xboys pointed out. Crossplay can became an issue if you dont have player base. Option is good but it's really not a big deal.

steam: tagzskie
xbl: tagz08
psn: tagzMVP

[_LarZen_]

The best is to play ALL games on Xbox One X. It's better with everything over the PS4 and PS4Pro. Play exclusives on Pro and the rest on X for the best gaming experiences on console.

[PFFT]

Thats exactly what i do. PS4 for exclusives Xbox One X for everything else. Since every PS4 exclusive is single player there is no need for me to renew my PS+ subscription.

[dekke]

glad u can play ur games almost true 4K :P

[Thomaticus]

Not many people mention that on Xbox you have to pay for XBL to play Fornite, whereas on the PS4, you don't have to pay for PSN. It's completely free.

On a side note: Maybe the devs should release Fornite on the Vita. That way you can play on the go on a portable console. It's not Sony's job to support the Switch, by providing it with a bigger user base.

[T2X]

Why no one gives a shit. There, I fixed the title for you. Really, who cares about crossplay? I have never heard one person complain about it or a lack thereof.

[Signal13]

I’m pretty sure no one expected this game to come to switch before E3. And no one seemed to care about accounts then. Oh no, you wasted months building an account you can’t transfer to a system you’d rather play it on. Sony just covered their ass.

[PS3_Noob]

crossplay is so overrated.

[Nucler100]

I understand it tbh

[ChristopherJack]

I don't care for xbox but I hope Microsoft plays on Sony's reluctance. Imagine announcing that all future online games will be xplay compatible if developers wish to implement it- with fairness provisions such as xbox only servers to protect people who don't want to play against KB&M.

It won't be a huge dent to Sony right now but it could in the future when the next gen begins; if an indifferent person wants to play between his mates, most owning different consoles, without purchasing one of each device, he'll have to buy the xbox over a ps5.

Frankly, I'm hoping all 3 manufactures jump on board so I can make my decision based on hardware, features, exclusives & price- rather than what my mates purchase. Those ignorants saying that it will kill competition; you're dreaming. It may reduce secondary console purchases but they still have a lot to compete for and anyone who embraces xplay first will gain the most positive PR & if one of them does, the others will either have to as well or constantly defend their position & consumers won't buy that.

[zodiac909]

Fortnite is over-rated.

[mastershredder]

His next artcle will be on a men’s help site explaining why he’ll be using his hand going foreward.

[snoopgg]

Not me, I don't like Fortnite anyway

[conanlifts]

The no 1 reason I game on Xbox is my friends own Xbox consoles. If cross play were an option I wouldn't need an Xbox, especially due to play anywhere. Sony openly stated it was a financial decision to block cross play (plus accounts, like with fortnite), but with the current lack of xbox exclusive games if they allowed it now I personally believe they would benefit the most.

[Vizigoth04]

Well, bye.

[Psychosious]

So fort nite, didn’t, encodes your game gaming future.... nice guidestone u got.

[StormSailor]

Have fun paying live gold for Fortnite on Xbox, while on Playstation 4 it's free without signing plus lol

[ClanPsi1]

What people should really be talking about is why XBone requires an XBL subscription in order to play Fortnite when no other platform requires a subscription to anything.

[Psytrix]

Fortnite sucks.

[BioDead]

Because you are Xbox fan. Thats the answer, plain and simple.

[Lokii]

Who honestly cares? Ms need cross play to pump up their numbers and actually have full lobbies. Sony does not.

[SLiSH83]

It’s nice having my progress carry over from my console to my switch version of fortnite.....said no Sony fan ever ;-)

Anyway it’s a nice feature to have.

Multiplatform games need this. Console manufacturers aren’t gonna lose money.
It will make them focus even more on first party games to sell you a Xbox over a PlayStation if they know they both can play say COD online together.
Plus it would be less financial strain on the devs so run 3-4 separate servers for the same game (PC Xbox PS4 Switch)

Both require a gold account or ps+.

Fortnite has PS+ exclusive skins

I own all 3 consoles Sony is being short sided on the issue just like MS Was on it last gen.

[Melankolis]

And Microsoft is a hypocrite...

[ion666]

Soo salty. Good thing those guys don't get paid in feelings.

[dreue]

This kind of aeticles just show what ms is doing to the gaming in global..... For me it is sad, not good direction because i never see this stuff from sony or nintendo.... But guess what go play forti it with 12 years old kids that only play that and call of duty... By the whay ms this gen did nothing at all to bring the bar up when we talk about games, so what is it that you to defend so bad?

[OffRoadKing]

lol, some more conversion agenda poorly disguised as outrage.

[Sm3000]

Cool story bruh

[zerocarnage]

I do not understand the Sony people defending Sony while saying but MS didn't support it last gen, there is a big bloody difference between now and way back then and cross play while it was there was very limited as well as interest into it was very slim. It took some good years for cross play to have the traction it did do but the fact remains is that Microsoft opened up to it while Sony closed themselves off from it and that is the difference

There is no defendng any company limiting it's users and restricting the freedom of choice all because greed has got the better of Sony.

It's like me owning a sweet shop and all the kids cant buy sweets but adults can, it's really God damn stupid and down the line Sony will set themselves up to look really stupid also, especially if they have no choice in the long run because Microsoft or Nintendo take a huge portion of the console market back from them and before you say it won't happen you mite actually choose those words carefully.

[boing1]

Do you have friends? Will they also switch to play with you? Or is this just a statement for the sake of it? Talk is cheap.

[Father__Merrin]

Switch version is horrible this on the go excuse is getting silly. BR games aren't for commuting I've not seen anyone at work or sat outside shops playing games.

Also just a reminder, 227k PS4 sold last week Inc the pro, where as only 77k Xbox one sold including the X. The X us now dying off

[KuroMadoshi]

Bring on the Sony can do no wrong chatter.

[Bauble]

Get a vita if you want to play on the go, there's no reason to believe when buying a console that you can cross play automatically on every game

[Kaiou]

To those saying ms denied cross-play before, THAT IS NOT the entire issue here, else why didn't mine craft and Rocket League blow up like this when denied by sony? Read to understand instead of jumping on the defenders' train like a fool.

[john of the dead]

OP has to be late teens or early 20s. The things these little kids complain over boggles my mind. You know what didnt have any cross play or dlc or a roadmap? Sonic 2 on Sega Genesis. Be happy you live in a time where you get free games and dlc and can play online

[MIDNIITE_Z3RO]

Sony's been losing me lately, but Microsoft lost me on Xbox a long time ago. They're both greedy, competitive gaming companies that are forcing players to choose between their two consoles. It's stupid and ignorant on both sides.

[stinkytofus]

Ms and nintendo trying to make sony look like the bad guy when it was them that never wanted crossplay in the first place smdh sony did nothing wrong

"Boo hoo cant use fortnite ps4 account on another console" well breaking news !! U have choice of playing it on pc and switch/xbox !!!

[Tonykid]

"Oh no I cant use my skins/emotes on another console boo hoo"

[TheHan]

Xbox is great and all but this is just one persons opinion. Click bait, I hate opinion pieces even though Sony boys tend to make the most opinion pieces.

[OnlyThoseOnTheFence]

This is the dumbest article that's been on here in a long time...

[EpicFruityPie]

lol okay okay enjoy ya Xbox I guess I'll stick to ps4 by far