CD Projekt RED Addresses Backlash Over First-Person View In Cyberpunk 2077

This camera mode allows for a greater degree of immersion, according to CDPR.

[chrisx]

I trust that CDPR know what their doing. but it still feels like a big missed opportunity taking out 3rd person mode for a game like this. sometimes just walking down the street in 3rd person and admiring the details on your customized character and how they walk, react etc is a truly unique feeling. cyberpunk 2077 would have been a much better game with 3rd person

[-Foxtrot]

" sometimes just walking down the street in 3rd person and admiring the details on your customized character and how they walk, react etc is a truly unique feeling"

Completely get what you mean...the funny thing is they are defending it saying we'll be get a "greater degree of immersion". Sorry but I've played many third person games where I can get just that, it's a poor excuse in my opinion.

The issue for me is how much they've talked up customization and the like where you'll hardly see your character now.

[Dacnn8]

Just think of how detailed individual textures have to be playing in first person.

[Gazondaily]

I get greater immersion in first person over third person.

[-Foxtrot]

@Dacnn8

Yeah I never thought of that, it seems like more hard work on their part.

Don't get me wrong, I trust them in a small way but I don't understand how they can't give us a choice with how we play. Elder Scrolls and Fallout make me feel part of their world even when I have it in third person mode and a game like GTA managed to make a first person mode so it's not impossible to think they could create a third person mode for this.

I know it seems like "bitching" to some but it's better to say something now until after release where we'll have to wait for it to be made if they can.

It's their own fault at the end of the day, they teased this for 5 years and while they didn't say it they did give off the impression that it was gong to be third person, they never corrected us. if they told us straight away then none of this backlash would have happened. I've thought this game up as an amazing third person RPG and the main thing why I think that is because of the wild punk like theme and the huge customization.

[starchild]

@ foxtrot

Why do they need to give us a choice with how we play? It's not common for most games to allow us to choose our perspective. Can we play in first person in Uncharted or Assassin's Creed for example? No, we can't. And while I'm generally in favor of giving gamers the most options possible it isn't always best for a game. I would argue that the more finely tuned the gameplay is in a game the harder it is to make it work well in both first and third person.

If CDPR decide that they can give us the option to change our camera view without compromising their vision for the game then I'm all for it, but if they determine it isn't what's best for their game then I'm confident it was the right call.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

They are right on the overall-immersion, not just how you look. Not saying you are wrong, but I think immersion as a whole is much greater in FP since that is what we know irl. People wanted a FP mode or option in TW3, but CDPR stated the combat just would not work with multiple enemies surrounding you which makes sense.

I do think they should at least add it as an option though, if you play say, PUBG, that game is much more intense and more immersive in FP mode than TP. Many other games follow suit, but I do agree with both sides and I trust CDPR to make the right decision.

[MuddyWaters]

First person is far more immersive and many pc games do this like Fallout. How is it more immersive hiding behind a wall in third person and seeing enemies around the corner?

[TFJWM]

I love how people say let the dev have freedom to do what they want until its something they don't like...

[pinkcrocodile75]

Then don't buy it. Simple

[Lilrizky]

it's not an excuse thats their general opinion. you can disagree if you want but there's a reason most VR games are first person a medium that focuses on immersion

[CorndogBurglar]

I think that's the problem. YOU thought this game up as a 3rd person game.

There are tons of 1st person games with customization options. That should not have been enough to make anyone assume it would be 3rd person. At least not to a degree that you totally convince yourself to the point of being this upset when it turns out different.

At the end of the day, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a developer wanting to try different things. That's what makes a great studio, actually. They've already shown they can make an amazing 3rd person RPG. The Witcher 3 is one of the best games ever made. There's no way they will top that. Also, if this were a 3rd person RPG then it would basically be The Witcher with guns. They could have easily done what other developers do and played it safe by making the same style game with a different coat of paint and story.

Let them show what they can do with 1st person. I understand people complain that 1st person is done too much. But the same argument can be made about 3rd person. Hell, until Wolfenstein 3D came out in the 90's literally ALL video games were 3rd person.

All I'm saying is that CDPR should have earned our trust by now that they can deliver fantastic games. So let's see what they can do with something we haven't seen from them yet. Otherwise they would just be giving us the same old, same old. And that isn't good either. Let The Witcher series be their 3rd person series and Cyberpunk be their 1st person series.

Variety from developers is good. I don't know how this is being viewed as a bad thing. Especially since they never said Cyberpunk would be 3rd person.

[SirCupcakes91]

.... you can inherently get closer to the detail of a game in first person than in third seeing as how you're seeing through the characters eyes...

[jv1991]

U always complain fox. Why u even here if nothing is good enough?

[thisismyaccount]

"....greater immersion" .... with a narrower FOV of typical 60. Make it TPS and you automatically have a bigger FOV ... hence why I played Skyrim in TPS, got a much bigger peripheral picture/vision overall.

If FPS then only with VR support. Not going to stare at a 2D image, pretending that I'm watching thru a window into another dimension.

FPS with shitty FOV is a pain. TPS is a lot more cinematic-actiony, as you are seeing how your char. reacts/behaves to it's surrounding and not just frantically move the camera in FPS mode ..." where did the arrow come" ..."who's shooting me God damn" ...

FPS in VR works perfectly, see RE7. No VR and we're still stuck at Doom 1993 ...the difference being now you can look up and down. But it's still a 2D picture ... in TPS you get that extra depth between char. and objects.

Would you play GTA6 if the games was FPS only? Yeah I thought so ...

[Suave_Langosta]

Don’t rip me to shreds on this one, but wouldn’t First person automatically be more immersive?

I mean in first person you are in the world, it’s eye level, you can see and sense the scale of things, suddenly the “wood” tree has bark and texture to it, the surface textures take on new life, you know the worlds just feel more dynamic to me at least.

Not to say third person games are not as enjoyable or less stunning, I actually enjoy third person games more, but I feel that first person usually leaves me in awe at the games more often than 3rd.

[yeahright2]

@suave not to me. Pulls me right out of the experience. I enjoy it less. I get that many feel immersion. But let me try and explain where I'm coming from. In first person, I don't feel like I'm playing a character, and at this point is where I assume you feel like you're not playing a character, you feel like you are the character hence immersion. But I don't get that either. What I get is the feeling that I'm playing a floating gun with someone making commentary at certain points. Pretty much the only time I get immersion in first person is using VR.
I'm happy that you enjoy first person, just not for people like me.

[0odama]

There are only a few games I can recall that first-person immersion has worked perfectly. That definitely was the BioShock Series. The Original COD4/MW2/WaW/BO1 Campaigns, and that one God Of War Sequence in God Of War 3. There's probably more. Just the first ones that popped into my head.

[joab777]

I trust them 100%, but they had to know that this would be a huge issue for many traditional dog fans. Maybe implementing a camera switch like Skyrim as an option. I’d hate to see so many avoid this game b/c of this. Absurd. Though I think it will be soooooo good that word of mouth will cause most to pick it up eventually.

I have been in Bioshock withdrawal for soooo long and this game seems to be the cure. I love a mix of FPS and rpg, and was hoping Destiny would be that game. I know CP2077 won’t be an mmo, but I’m so excited to play an rpg for hundreds of hours with insane customization and world building, all in first person with driving and great gunplay. It’s like a damn dream come true! Seriously!!!!!

I almost think, and I don’t want to assume that CDPR are too arrogant concerning their talents...but each new game they push the boundaries so far that they may have been bored by the 3rd person view. That and imagine this!

They are sitting in a board room and drawing up plans and someone actually says, I know we’ve never done it, and I know the difficulty and complications of perfecting a FPS RPG, but I think it will give the player more immersion, like they are actually living in this sprawling Metropolis. And without hesitation, everyone says, “hell yeah”!

Because that’s why they did it. So excited! I just want this game now! I hope everyone supports it because it will truly be next gen!!!

[Imalwaysright]

Games with 1st person view tend to be the best sellers on consoles such as Overwatch, CoD, Battlefield/Battlefront or Destiny and on PC I doubt that many have any issues with 1st person view. If CDPR continues on the same path they've been following since TW1 which is to deliver games with excellent quality this one could even surpass TW3 in terms of sales because those that don't like 1st person view are clearly in the minority.

[madworld]

I need an answer to this question,why you people in CD Project show Cyberpunk 2077 for just the Media journalists a demo behind closed doors ,who is gonna buy it, the gamers around the world or these people which is not fair for the players,we deserve more respect?

[Last_Boss]

@IM those are strict Multiplayer kill to kill games. We had enough of that jazz last gen, it ruined so much of gaming. The reason Elder Scrolls & Fallout get passes is because of the pacing. Someone said you're going to be wall hopping and running fast through areas. Maybe they've perfected what Mirrors Edge. Titan Fall & Metroid Prime has done. I'll say this if Uncharted was 1st person, that game would have sold Brink numbers. Lol

TF

[Salooh]

Simple fix, allow to switch to 3rd person when there is no combat.

For me, it doesn't matter, if they think first person is more immersive and it fit more into their vision than i am more than happy to try it and accept it.

[ClanPsi1]

OR you could play the game they're making and not the one you think you want.

[joab777]

@madworld I think they did it because of the FPS issue. If so I’d expect some of the demo to be released at some point soon. Imagine if they had just shown it and all the amazing ness was eclipsed by thousands of idiots tweeting about how stupid it is that it’s an FPS. And then 10 minutes later regretting the tweet because the game is astonishing.

I believe they wanted to control the message through journalists and then show us.

I could be wrong, but if what I am hearing is correct, this game is next level shit!!!

[Mainman]

I'll pass on this if it doesn't have a third person option. I just don't like first person and that's a shame too, because it seems like most games are first person.

[Kavorklestein]

Can you pinpoint why you don't like first person? Is it just like nauseating? Or disorienting? More difficult?
Less view of your character? What makes you not like it?

[Melankolis]

Me too. I have been skipping many great games JUST because of first person camera. It makes me nauseous. I hate it.

[Mainman]

@Kavorklestein
The main reason I'm not a fan of first person because of my tastes and preferences.
Other than that, the view, or area on my screen is constricted compared to 3rd person. I can't pan the camera like I wish in first person, or pan the camera without having to move my character. You can't move the camera without moving your character in over the shoulder third person games either, but even then it still doesn't feel as constricting as first person and gives a bigger view of the area.
Plus I would like to see my character when I play and the gun or weapon in first person just looks like it is just floating in the middle of the screen. It just takes me out of the game and makes me wish there was a third person option throughout my play through of the few FP games I have played.

[GamingInFrames]

I'm a single player gaming fanatic. However, I don't play anything in 3rd person. I simply like the more immersive feel of 1st person games, along with the smoother 1st person controll mechanics.

[TheCommentator]

" I can't pan the camera like I wish in first person, or pan the camera without having to move my character."

Of course you can... use the right analog stick just like any 3rd person game.

[Saigon]

@Mainman

I get what you are saying, it is a personal taste. I rather see my character than a screen of everything else. Additionally, to what you said, I hate being shot and don't know where it is coming from. All the times I played Golden Eye, I loved it, but eventually, got sick of it because I noticed all of its flaws being in FPS. It's a personal taste. Tried others after that and still couldn't get into it. Again, its a personal taste, nothing against the genre, but I do not like FPS games. It is like how some like County Music over Rock music. Nothing wrong with that, its just a personal taste.

[tontontam0]

For me it's the clunky melee combat that puts me off, so I just use magic or bows in skyrim.

[ClanPsi1]

Quit being a f*cking child. Jesus.

[Reefskye]

Motion sickness on games is caused mostly by frame rates unsmooth game play, i use to get it terrible on a certain map on the original CoD, 60+ frames stops most motion sickness, is frame rate dips and 30 fps, also motiin blur can cause it aswell but when you have a console these cant be swicthed off, i turn motion blur off on every single pc game

[milohighclub]

First person just doesn't seem as smooth as third for me. The character height never feels correct, i hate not having the field of view, i like to see cool animations. Stuff like climbing over things, the object becomes your screen. I feel there's less they can do with it because they have to think of the camera more which restricts mechanics.. I feel like third person is more immersive for me because i have so many issues with fp that it pulls me out. I skip most first person games due to this, its a shame cos i loved witcher amd have been hyped for this since that teaser. No hype left anymore and I'll probable skip this one... Pretty gutted tbh.

[Rude-ro]

I personally would not mind the 1st person... if consoles had a field of view slider.
On pc, it will be amazing and that field of view does make a difference because you can feel like you still have the same field of view that you do in reality and not wearing horse blinders staring at a tv taking away the emersion..
something I hope next gen takes into account for consoles.

[Tokasmke]

Well you don't know that for sure because you haven't played the game yet. I also was disappointed about the 3rd person view being taken out but after reading and hearing about the demo, I think the first person view was the best choice.

[DarkVoyager]

I’d rather have 3rd person view myself.

The graphics must be insane. Look what John from Digital Foundry had to say about the game.

https://twitter.com/dark1x/...

[Imalwaysright]

The hype is real.

[frostypants]

@chrisx: "cyberpunk 2077 would have been a much better game with 3rd person"

This is a silly statement. You don't know anything about the gameplay mechanics or how 3rd person might impact them.

[Weeblordbad]

Welcome to the internet, everyone knows better than the ones working on the game.

[Sirk7x]

Yeah, but we have no idea how the game even functions or plays. The ways you play with and interact in either a first or third person environment in games are completely different. It's like how a third person perspective would never work with the exploration in a Deus Ex game, and likewise, the combat and world interactivity would have been incredibly boring and different if Witcher 3 were first person, because these games were designed with different experiences in mind.

[gamer7804]

I'm alot less excited for this now sadly

[TheKingKratos]

I'm sooo done with fps games

[Rachel_Alucard]

I think it has more to do with who you're playing as too. When you play witcher, you aren't playing as yourself but somebody else. With Cyberpunk they designed it to be playing as yourself, so having it in first person was something to design around. At least that's just my belief when they say immersion. Plus most Role-playing shooters use Sci-fi aspects anyway so it fits.

[Ashunderfire86]

It going to be a better Deus Ex game than Deus Ex! Relax stop crying you know you all are going to play it.

[CorndogBurglar]

You know, it's totally possible that CDPR wanted to do something a little different. They already showed that they can make amazing 3rd person RPG's. They did exactly that with The Witcher 3 and delivered one of the best games of all time.

Now they want to do 1st person. I really don't see what the big problem is. If I were a developer I wouldn't want to be known for making the same kind of games over and over.

It sounds like people just wanted The Witcher in a futuristic setting with guns. Let them try something else. You would think CDPR has earned our trust in them to make a fantastic game, whether its 3rd person or not.

[Artemidorus]

You can do exactly the same in 1st person

[IamTylerDurden1]

So CDPR can only muster a cinematic trailer for the public after 6 years, but behind closed doors they offer a polished 1 hour demo for the media? They couldn't piece together 15 seconds of gameplay for the public?

I honestly expected gameplay at E3, it was a disappointment to only get a cinematic trailer. CDPR is a phenomenal developer and 2077 will probably be a great game, but the handling of it has been slightly mismanaged thus far.

[RiverCityBoy]

my thoughts exactly. I just truly hate first person on just about any game

[subtenko]

Why not just include both?! is it really that hard to add in another camera view? GTA V did it, no excuses

[gabzero]

"cyberpunk 2077 would have been a much better game with 3rd person"
the game isn't even released yet....

[Relientk77]

I want to see gameplay before I judge, even though I think for this type of game I might prefer 3rd person. Guess we'll see.

[BiggerBoss]

Exactly. I have to see gameplay to judge.

I prefer 3rd person in some games, but also love 1st person. Knowing that CDPR has only made 3rd person games, I'm skeptical.

But gameplay will be the real judge.

[Link2DaFutcha]

I also wouldn't be surprised if the 1st person decision is just from a map architecture standpoint. How annoying would it be to have a 3rd person game where you're going down tight alleys in an overcrowded city all the time and getting next to no movement or camera, or worse the camera swooping up and down all the time trying to keep vision of your chracter. Witcher makes sense because most of the time you're out in the open, but I bet a lot of this is going to be in much tighter spaces. Once we see gameplay we'll know more, so no use freaking out, but CDPR have given us no reason to doubt their storytelling or game making ability.

[maybelovehate]

I never realized there were so many people who didn't like 1st Person games.. I don't really get it to be honest. 1st person games have always felt more immersive to me.

[DerekTweed]

I know right!! I'm more excited for this now.

[BiggerBoss]

I think the main reason people are pissed, is because the Witcher is 3rd person, and they expect the Witcher in a cyberpunk setting.

That being said, I'll wait until we see gameplay to judge.

[yeahright2]

@ biggerboss, nope. we just don't like first person. I didn't like first person before the witcher 1 came out. still don't like it after the witcher 3.

[OB1Biker]

First person in VR is defo immersive. On a TV screen it always feels unrealistic to me You have to push the stick to see something you should almost instantly see from the corner of your eyes and the field of view is very small
Thats my personal feeling though.
I never liked it since the beginning when it became a thing in video games.

[starchild]

First person has been as common as third person in games. Have these people really missed out on all the great first person games over the past several decades? Seems absurd.

To me immersion in games doesn't depend on camera perspective, but rather on how the devs utilize it and build their game around it. I have no doubt that if CD Projekt RED picked the first person perspective it's because it is truly what works best for their game.

I think Cyberpunk 2077 will join the ranks of other great first person games like Thief, Deus Ex, Alien Isolation, Mirror's Edge, Bioshock and Half Life.

I also think CDPR will likely do a good job with "body awareness" during first person gameplay. So we will probably be able to look down and see the clothing we are wearing and other body details. Not to mention that this will be a story heavy RPG game, so we'll be seeing plenty of our character during conversations and cutscenes.

[maybelovehate]

Yeah, I am not worried about seeing my clothes while playing. Plus 1st Person perspective let's us see our weapons and other items so well. It is a good trade off. I like all kinds of perspectives in games but 1st Person always feels the best to me. Unless the engine is terrible and field of view is so small it makes you sick. But that is rare and I trust CDPR to do this right.

[OB1Biker]

Star
It's definitely too bad for people like me who can't stand it. I respect the devs visions for any game Gamers play whatever they like too
Matter of common interest sometimes is cool though so maybe... Both is good?

[bigmalky]

FPS fatigue more than likely. I'll put my trust in CDPR. I also know that they're good at reacting to fan feedback, and may implement 3rd person before or after release.

They're good that way.

[RememberThe357]

They said it was first person and I said, "okay." I don't see a problem at all, just more backlash sensitivity.

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[Glak18]

@yeahright2

I enjoy 3rd person games as well, but I'm a gamer so I basically love it all. Actually my favorite perspective is isometric, but not liking 1st person really tarnishes so many great gaming experiences. Sadly you don't get to enjoy games like Deus Ex, Bioshock, Dishonored, newer Fallout, Elder Scrolls, so many to list.

Hopefully your gaming experience isn't solely based on playing on a console, if it is think about about playing those games on a PC where you can change the FOV, which makes a huge impact on First-Person games. Unfortunately majority of devs don't include that option and really limits the console gamers experience.

[NXFather]

You would say that xbox boy.

[bunt-custardly]

First person works well in Deus Ex.

[EmperorDalek]

I was just about to bring up that Deus Ex: Human Revolution shows that a first-person RPG can be done well (even if it has some third person aspects.)

[BiggerBoss]

Do you want a Deus Ex clone though?

[ZaWarudo]

So only Deus Ex is allowed to be a FPS Cyberpunk RPG? c'mon man.

[ClanPsi1]

Developers taking aspects of Deus Ex can only result in amazing things.

[DOMination-]

Not just the two recent ones but the original which was fully first person and that's consistently regarded as one of the best games ever made.

[carcarias]

Totally agree, I wrote the same thing on another site where someone said something along the lines of 'there are no good story driven rpg's in 1st person.'

I'd also add System Shock, Arx Fatalis, Bioshock, Ultima Underworld and Vampire Bloodlines to that list.

I think walking through the neon-lit, bustling streets of Nightcity surrounded by towering skyscrapers is going to be great in 1st person and I trust CDPR to be making the right decision here. I'll at least reserve judgement.

[ZaWarudo]

It's a shame people feel that way. I like First Person Shooters, so bring it on!

[BiggerBoss]

I like FPS games, but CDPR made one of the best third person games this gen. That's why people are so skeptical, this is a big departure from their past work.

[Bastrad]

And Guerrilla Games were known for their FPS games, then they made Horizon Zero Dawn, a 3rd person game. I don't see why we should be worried about CDPR doing something different.

[cbuc1125]

I won't be able to play due to first person motion sickness....it's a shame that a large percentage of people will be excluded due to this. But it's their game and I respect their decision.

[Kokyu]

Only on N4g could ypu get down votrs because you cant play FP and point out a large portion of people cant.

[Spurg]

"large percentage of people will be excluded due to this."
Stop playing victim....a miniscule percentage only. Jeez...Talk about over exaggeration

[Weeblordbad]

Some of the most popular games are first person, yet a large percentage get motion sickness? Does anyone think before they speak? It's statistically impossible.

[conanlifts]

Just curious how long it has been since you tried a FP game? I used to get FP motion sickness, now it is rare. Some games like Wolfenstein still do it to me but I find modern games are much better. Also 60fps helps eliminate it so playing on an X or pro if it has a performance mode might work.

[SCW1982]

I am actually really stoked its in First Person. Great that it's a first person RPG with shooting elements not the other way around.

[strayanalog]

I was surprised to hear about First-Person myself, and I'm still kinda bummed about it. I suppose we'll see how it goes later, but for now I'm 50-50.

[Blu3_Berry]

If they feel so confident, then why didn't they show gameplay to the public? Really irks me the wrong way and I would love for them to prove us wrong, but there it just alot of doubt currently.

[Darkwatchman]

It’s releasing next gen and they don’t want the general public to be disappointed by expecting it on current gen consoles after seeing gameplay. They’re holding off likely until Sony and Microsoft both officially unveil their next gen systems. Micorosoft already spoke at their conference that their engineering team is hard at work on the next systems so it’s getting about that time.

[jbull]

Its more than likely a cross gen game as you have to think of the commercial side of the business and you cant ignore the combined user base of PS4 and Xbox.

[EmperorDalek]

They've earned the right to make the game how they want.

Did anyone even see some of the small building interiors? My first thought was that the camera was going to have issues. Now it makes sense.

[lazyboyblue]

It's new ip not cyberWitcherPunk 2077. They want to go a different way. Good for them.

[BiggerBoss]

Yeah but a lot of people wanted the Witcher in a Cyberpunk setting, NOT a Deus Ex clone.

I'll hold off judgment until gameplay is shown, but still.

[Weeblordbad]

What people want doesn't necessarily make for a great game. It's not a Deus Ex clone just because it's first person.

[TheColbertinator]

Would have preferred a third/first person mix

[jbull]

Its a shame given all the potential of upgrading/customizing your character yet you wont be able to see it interact and explore the world most of the time, the trailer looks so good that I was thinking finally a game that can give us GTA a real run for its money now I am not so sure.
Surely they seen this backlash coming? and should have released a 2 minute gameplay footage so we could see their point of view, if they can show journalists 45 minute demo behind closed doors then a small bit of footage for fans is not to big an ask.
I'm hoping that a third person mode gets added later after release in the game as its probably late now.

[ziggurcat]

no it doesn't.

[stevenm281]

Meh, First Person is so overrated, to me at least.

I like watching my characters in action, I like seeing the surroundings, I like knowing if there are incoming enemies, and I don't like getting dizzy due to how zoomed in and fast a FPS game camera move.

[RainbowBrite]

Well you can go and play all the other 3rd person games that are out there. But this one is an FPS. Let's use the EA formula: Deal with it, or don't buy it

[BiggerBoss]

CDPR has a huge fan base that enjoyed the Witcher 3 in 3rd person. They want THAT kind of game, but in a Cyberpunk setting. They DON'T want a Deus Ex clone.

I'm gonna wait to see gameplay, but yeah, if I don't like it then I'm not gonna buy it.

[gangsta_red]

It would have been cool to have the option like Fallout. But not a deal breaker by any means.

[MadLad]

In a press interview, head of PR for CDProjektRed had this to say - "Ahem. Grow up. That is all".

[porkChop]

I'm guessing that after working on The Witcher for so long, they probably wanted to really change things up and do something totally different. I'd prefer 3PP, but I'm fine first FPP. The game will probably be great regardless.

[MorpheusX]

"This camera mode allows for a greater degree of immersion, according to CDPR."

I disagree. And I wonder what the "real" reason behind this design choice is?

Movies are immersive, they allow you to see in 3rd person view & 1st person view. Taking 1 away does not create a more "immersive" experience.

Immersion isn't strictly " interacting" but "field of view", when I can see my character & the "point of view around him/her @the same time, it creates a more immersive experience.

This is simple logic, and it's an RPG @its core, so again I wonder what the "real" reason is?

I'm still interested in playing, I enjoy 1st person games but let's be real here, it's not going to be "more " immersive with this decision.

[Kostche]

we all know why mate, they was going to have Multiplayer, and they still will even if they say the scrapped it, more likely added at later date

[MorpheusX]

@Kostche

Ah ha.

That makes sense mate, I agree.

Thanks for the enlightenment.

[MadLad]

Oh yes. Because 3rd person multiplayer is a non-existent thing.

[yeahright2]

YongYea did a couple videos on cyperpunk and he's shown to have at least one source in CDPR. (he even called the first person perspective back in January before anyone else) According to him, there was plans to switch between first and third but they've been scrapped. That screams to me that either money, time, resources, something became limited and they had to make a choice.
Honestly, I'd bet money on the deciding factor being that they just wanted to spread their wings a bit and dip into a different genre. Which I'm fine with, I'll just be passing on this game but I'll be here waiting when they make another 3rd person RPG.

[carcarias]

I have to respectfully disagree and I suspect so do many others. 1st person is often used when immersion is paramount precisely because it offers more immersion. Horror games, walking simulators etc, even games like Doom, Quake, Thief, Deus Ex, Bioshock. I'm getting the distinct impression people have different definitions of what 'immersion' means.

For me it means, YOU are in the game, not an avatar. VR uses 1st person and its whole claim to fame is based on immersion, that's its primary goal. I'm confident that's what CDPR are referring to also.

As for movies, I sometimes find them engrossing, spectacular, picturesque and/or captivating, sure, but not immersive. I'm a spectator, how can I be immersed? I never feel like I'm actually there or that any of it is happening to me. When I watch a horror film, I'm not on the edge of my seat because I think the monster is chasing ME, I'm simply excited to see if the character in the movie gets caught.

Again, I think this whole debate might well be simply a matter of preference (people preferring 3rd person in general terms) alongside people feeling differently about what the word immersion actually means.

[uncleDAD]

for me this is a big let down. i hate when my character is reduced down to a pair of hands and a weapon. 3rd > 1st

[--bienio--]

No it’s not write decision. Pass.

[MadLad]

Make 17 more posts whining about it.

[jaycptza]

This was not the correct English. Am I RIGHT?

[Furesis]

you'll pass but there are thousands of new people that will come because it's fps. they will not miss you.. trust me. fans come and go such is life

[Mr-Dude]

Bunch of whiners jeez

[Kostche]

now i know why they was going to have MULTIPLAYER, no thanks CDPR, good luck with the game but i want rpg third person not regualr every day shooter, i can get that anywhere

[--bienio--]

Exactly .

[oIITSBIIo]

I guess I'm the only one who prefers the first-person over 3rd, for me it's more immersive and with VR second generation coming this might be on hell of experience, none the less having the option of 3rd person is a good thing to please everyone as long as it doesn't affect the first-person, I don't want another GTA's lame first-person mode .

[ps3rider]

Without seeing a game play .. the setting is perfect for first person view ..
I go with their decision and this game not for kids

[GrizToof]

I would like a 3rd person view myself but I’m confident that cdpr know what they’re doing and will make something special. I complain about too much already to start bitchen about this as well

[Doomster1971]

What a stupid thing for CD Projekt to have to defend. I love the fact that it's going to be a first-person RPG. I love the Elder Scrolls and Fallout 3 and up and Play those games first=person. I know these games have a third-person option but I can't Imagine playing them that way (especially Elder Scrolls).

[Brazz]

I was hyped for this game, know it's a "maybe" cause i'm not big fan of fps. I hope CD projekt RED can make a great game, but FPS realy isn't my thing.

[PhantomS42]

There is backlash? Who the hell cares?

[ComBaTs0uL-79]

It's funny why don't they just show the game to there fans and put there minds at rest instead of hiding the game that all of us are waiting to see and then be fed info like this? I don't get it if the game is amazing what are the afraid off

[Platformgamer]

i don't like FP POW so i think i'll pass to this game now...
thanks anyway

[Sarcasmist1]

I'm not going to pass on it because of the first person view, I would have expected third person, but only because of witcher, but my god it was an awesome game! So yes, I'll play this one.
I don't mind either, but do prefer a third person view in my rpg titles.

[Smokehouse]

Im not worried about it, it’s not what I was expecting but it’s not like I’m unfamiliar with first person rpgs. A Bethesda game in a CDPR world? Sign me up.

[AgeInTheCage]

They saved me 65.00, dont want no 1st person rpg.

[UnHoly_One]

I'm absolutely amazed that there is an uproar over this.

[Vizigoth04]

Hopefully they can add in the option to switch between views to make everyone happy. The unique thing about people is each has their own opinions and views a preferences. To be able to adjust on the fly in the settings menu would get you more consumers overall.

[pinkcrocodile75]

Don't like it? then don't buy it.

[Bobafret]

Some people sound like they just want to play dress up with a virtual dollie, there are tons of games that let you do that.

[smolinsk]

Love first person in games, so I'm fine by that, but maybe make the game with both first and third.

[Markusb33]

You could end this argument so quickly by showing a 4k game play trailer so we can see why fp mode is the best choice. Currently I'm out without 3rd person. It's how I like my rpg games. I tried fallout in fp and it's not doin it for me

[MattE]

I'm absolutely delighted this game will be First Person.. Cannot wait!

[Profchaos]

Just because they previously made a third person shooter does not mean every game needs to be the same.

Personally I welcome the first person look I enjoy playing rpgs like fallout in first person and this game looks perfect for it

[GamingSinceForever]

Sony makes enough 3rd person games very well, not to mention Red Dead is coming soon as well. I think that a good 1st person is welcome. So as long as it’s great that’s all that matters.

[D3athc3ll]

Lol CD PR should make the game they want to. If you don't want to play first person, then go play gears of war or something else. Stop telling developers how they should make their games. If they ask for feedback, sure, but ffs let them be. Witcher 3 was amazing my best RPG game of all time. I'm sure they will make Cyberpunk amazing whatever camera they choose.

[Goldenarmz]

These Devs should do what EA Did, if you dont like it dont buy the game. People getting outraged need to just be ignored.

[Sirk7x]

I'm pretty sure they solidified themselves as some of the greatest game developers in the world after Witcher 3, and also did well by all of us with all the support the game received after. I say we trust their artistic vision. Unless CDPR got lazy or completely sold out, this game is going to be great.

[TheOptimist]

Yep agree. There is a reason Deus Ex was made in FPP, and I totally get it.

[Flewid638]

What if playing as a camera in a wheelchair doesn't immerse me as much as seeing my character do cool things on screen?

[Kokyu]

Man Im so tired of FP its the most over used perspective in gaming.

[Flewid638]

For real. I'm not tryna look at a pair of hands the whole game for 50 hours. lol.

Give me kicks, punches, flips, rolls, shooting and animations. Smartphone on wheels doesn't feel like real life. lol.

[RainbowBrite]

The Internet has become a cesspool of whiners

[Razzer]

First person is best on PC. Third person is best on consoles. Easy....play it on PC.

[on_line_forever]

After all these years ?

First-Person View ?

No buy

[darx]

Annoying crybaby gamers.

[DVAcme]

I trust CD Projekt Red more than pretty much every other developer right now. I'm sure the game will be fantastic. Here's a few points defending the 1st person perspective:
-They wouldn't allow your character to be customized if you can see him/her, so it's obvious cinemas and dialogue scenes at the very least will show your character, along with probably stuff like cinematic kills.
-1st person view allows you to better appreciate the surroundings, and that is something I DEFINITELY wanna be anle to do in this game.
-If the game has a heavy focus on gunplay, 1st person is THE way to go.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

People complain to much lately, not in this game but so many others. BF V another example. Entitled, shit bag gamers lol, should just be happy these awesome games are being made, and just STFU.

[Spurg]

How can people can be so naive...the folks that are disappointed with cyberpunk being an fps hybrid need to try being more open to other genre. I've played enough FPS out there to know that your player is always visible to you in cutscenes. The Witcher 3 character models was much more appealing and shown off in cutscenes than in gameplay.
It's an RPG at it core and not COD game like everyone believes.

I swear if CD project red actually changes their vision for this game just because of some stubborn gamers I will be upset. Cd red have set out a clear vision with this game and it shouldn't be tampered with.

[yeahright2]

They would be changing it back to their original idea. It was originally meant to be switchable but they ended up going with just first person.

[OnDec76]

Skyrim says hello in 2011 giving gamers the choice between FP and 3rdP perspective on the fly , smhh

[m2stech]

Immersion is a matter of personal perspective and feeling, why not give us an optional switchable camera when out of combat? this way it wont have technical issues during combat either.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

The so called "backlash" is from ppl who probably didn't even complete w3. Cdpr know what they are doing, and they are masters of their craft. People who comment on n4g think they know more about games development than actual developers.

[BlaqMagiq1]

I would rather they give gamers the choice of switching between first-person and third-person like other games have, but I will reserve my final judgment until I've seen gameplay.

[carcarias]

When W3 released, I really disliked how far the camera was from Geralt. I liked 3rd person but I wanted it closer. Thanks to CDPR being mod friendly, it only took 2-3 days before a good cam mod came along.

I'm hoping this game will be just as mod friendly, so while having to wait for a mod might be annoying, it'll come. Having said that, they might put it in the options. I think they do try to take the customers requests seriously.

I'm not fussed about the 1st person view myself. If it works, it works. This sounds similar to the recent Deus Ex games in terms of 1st person then switching to 3rd for cutscenes. I had no problem with that.

I'm also gonna assume they've chosen 1st person because they'll be lots of shooting.

[Furesis]

They said they didn't want the shooting to be the main thing since it's an RPG. Just like in witcher it had combat yes but most of the game was RPG stuff, that's what they are going with here too. And on the whole FPS thing i think it's like they said more immersive. I remember in witcher the indoor areas felt very tight and cumbersome to navigate at times. Seeing as the game takes place in a cyberpunk city with tight and cramped areas i can see the perks of fps you'll be able to see more detail on stuff and movement might be more pleasant. In 3rd person that stuff sometimes get lost because the object maybe too small and you're colliding with walls all the time etc.

1st person, 3rd person i don't care i've played them all make it good and the people will come while the complainers complain and nobody cares. Fans come and go all the time

[carcarias]

Thanks for the info, I didn't know they were going to keep the amount of shooting to a moderate level. That's interesting.

I think you're right about the environment. 1st person never bothered me but the more I imagine it, the more I feel that the busy streets lined with skyscrapers and the amount of interior areas we'll presumably explore means 1st person will fit in far better.

[iofhua]

I never imagined it as anything else and it would have turned me off if they had veered from the established formula. Deus Ex and EYE already showed us how cyberpunk video games are done.

Even GitS for the Ps2 was first-person. It only zoomed out to third person during Motoko's dodge animation.

[jc48573]

I guess I will stick with Witcher games.

[franwex]

It’s been years in development guys. You think the developers haven’t experimented with different perspectives? They obviously know the game is better as a 1st person RPG. I trust their judgment over yours. This is not up for debate. If the developers want to make a 1st person game, then they can create one.

[Gwiz]

It's actually pretty brilliant,not just from an aesthetic perspective but also a great way of avoiding this gender BS going on.
Pick your gender without giving ammo to critics (I'm pretty sure that's not their motive,but when it is ..shhhtt)

[Gatsu]

1st person is always more immersive. Just like playing PT for example, it wouldnt be the same in 3rd person.

[yeahright2]

Not at all. it pulls many of us out of the experience. More immersive for some, the opposite for others.

[Gatsu]

I have to disagree with you. Especially horror games are more scarier in 1st person, that's just the way it is. In 3rd person you are more far away from the enemies and it's not the same feeling. Also as Cyberpunk will have lots of guns and shooting, so I believe 1st person will also work way better in this case. With TW3 it was good, because there was melee fighting instead of futuristic guns.

I'd say it is best to wait for the gameplay demo and see how all the gameplay mechanics work, until people criticize their decision so much.

[tontontam0]

The only reason I can think of why they can't make third person work is they wanted it to be playable in vr.

you'll have moments to customize yourself while looking at a mirror while your jaws are detached as shown in the trailer.

[Dirtnapstor]

I totally trust CDPR with their decision. Yes it would have been great in 3rd person, but I’d guarantee they were wanting to avoid the eventual “reskinned Witcher” judgements.
This game looks awesome!

[DivineAssault]

So what if its first person? They can make whatever the F they want. They earned a chance to do something new & the game looks great. I dont even care for shooters but im sure borderlands will have had some type of influence on RPG stuff in it so you dont ONLY shoot people

[DafunkyRebel]

This isn’t Witcher, you aren’t going around hacking and slashing. You have a freaking gun so obviously first person is better for it plus it works for Dey’s Ex so why no cyber punk

[ClanPsi1]

Whiners will be whiners.

Personally I think 1st person is going to be great. Like Deus Ex.

[Lynx0207]

I will just skip it then. It may be a great game, just not for me, I completely cannot immerse myself im first-person games. If I don't see the character I cannot feel it and I am bored after 30 minutes of playing (Bioshock, Dishonored, Wolfenstein, Deus Ex). I'm really sorry, but I understand it is their decision.

[Gatsu]

But you will see the character in cutscenes and inventory screen, maybe in other parts too.

[yeahright2]

Getting to see the character once in a while doesn't quite make up for not playing in third person. Some of us just don't like that style of play. No one's hating on CDPR, we just don't like first person, so we're passing.
Everyone was expecting third person, so we were hyped, then we find out it's first person only. kind of a punch in the gut for those that don't like first person.
It's like an xbox only gamer who wants to play street fighter 5, sure they still can, but they'll have to buy a PS4. In this case, sure we can still play the game, but it'll have to be in first person.

[zodiac909]

They know what they are doing, ppl nee to chill the f out

[kitano1947]

how about you wait to see what the developer has developed before passing judgment

"cyberpunk 2077 would have been a much better game with 3rd person"

Oh so you've played it already?

[bluefox755]

I'm a bit apprehensive, but CDPR haven't let me down yet, so I'll trust them.

[PUBG]

I think this game just looks goofy, kind of like Beyond Good & Evil 2.

[riibhu]

No one had any problems with dishonored or Deus ex...I even played skyrim entirely in 1st person because of the lackluster animations of combat in 3rd person.
Don't know where all the backlash is coming from. I get it that people are disappointed because CDPR previous said so to have 3rd person camera but to say they won't even give it a chance or entirely abandon the game is going a bit over the top reaction.

[shinoff2183]

I thought I read only at certain times it's fps. That truly sucks either way.

[Kaii]

How about people wait to see gameplay before spewing shit, thanks

[Gatsu]

Indeed.

[Dragonscale]

Couldn't care less tbh just glad its not another witcher game.

[2ndhandcorn]

Wow really? love modern complaining.

[KuroMadoshi]

They would be wise to include the option to go third person as well. This news severely hurts my excitement for the game.

[Mr_cheese]

For me personally, it is their decision. Theyre creating their vision which, if we choose, we can buy it and share the experience.

I get the complaints from people but again, it is their game and it is being heavily judged before anybody has even played it or seen it in action (outside of media outlets).

We as a consumer have a choice. We buy or dont buy.

[Sm3000]

"Backlash" lol.....gamers are something else sometime. Just bc witcher is 3rd person doesn't mean everything cdpr makes will be the same......I trust their judgement. After all, they could've went 1st person with the witcher, but they believed 3rd was better. Same thing applies

[LoveSpuds]

It never ceases to amaze me how entitled and dramatic sections of society are. We don't get to dictate how the creators of other media apply their creativity, what the he'll makes these cry babies think they should be able to dictate how this piece of work is formed.

The most disappointing thing for me is the complete lack of respect shown to CD Project, a company who have a proven track record of delivering quality products and moreover, a company that has shown great respect to the community.

I would suggest people grow up, stop being utter arseholes and let CDProject do what they do best, they deserve your love and respect.

[yeahright2]

Where is the disrespect? All I see is a lot of "i'll pass" and "I was hoping for".

[Nicknasty]

I agree, give us third person view dammit or at least give us the option to choose which camera angle we prefer. In this day and age and you can't have both camera angles as an option? Plus what is the point of customizing your character if you can't even see them? Wtf

[ClanPsi1]

The creator of Cyberpunk universe, Mike Pondsmith, said he wanted 1st person. The haters can get f*cked.

[DJ_Professor_K]

I’ve been missing firs person games

[gigoran]

Make the game they wanna make. Simple. If the minority don’t wanna play it, fine. I hope they enjoy not playing one of the most anticipated games of this generation

[milohighclub]

Pretty gutted tbh. Not a fan of first person at all. Neger have been.

[FPS_D3TH]

RIP game dev creativity where no game can be left as is

[beanplant]

When the game comes out and it get infinite praise from everyone people won't care as much.

[PrinceVegeta]

I hope they give us the option to switch perspectives.

[Murph101]

Funny how no-one here has seen the game running and are critiquing the developers choice on how to experience their product. Here's a thought, why not wait to experience Cyberpunk 2077 for yourself, in its complete state before criticising the developers choice.

With so many experts on these threads you should all go work in the industry and stop any other 'bad developer choices.

[j15reed]

Everybody's seen a first person view though so no matter how good the game looks or plays it's still FP.

[yeahright2]

I'm cool with them making the game however they want. I'll just be passing on this one. Not out of spite, I just don't like first person games. CDPR is still my favorite developer, doesn't mean everything they do I have to be 100% behind and never disagree. I hope the game does well. I'll just settle for other titles like death stranding and last of us.

[tulholdren]

Hope this turns out good for them but ill be skipping it. Ill see them on the next game. Hope all who like it enjoy the game.

[Banjorol]

Good for you. You will have a long time to wait for the next game. Btw we will be enjoying Cyberpunk 2077.Thanks

[saminseattle]

Let the damn devs make THEIR game. Judge the end product, not the work-in-progress that you haven't even played.

[kikicub]

I was so looking forward to this, but fixed first person camera is a deal breaker. If they include a way to switch perspectives I'll get it, otherwise it is a no-go for me. Not everyone can play in a first person view without discomfort. Just sayin'

[Da12RespectA]

I've never played CP. I hope it's a great game.

[StarkR3ality]

Think people should just let developers innovate and try new things without being scrutinized.

Trust them to make the right decisions and make a Game of the year contender yet again.

[Scatpants]

I'm still really looking forward to this game but given the choice of whether I want a 1st or 3rd person RPG I'd go with 3rd person every time.

[Banjorol]

Weeeeeeeee! Bunch of cry babies

[glenn1979]

I cant understand why all the hate its freaking CDPR they know what there doing

[yeahright2]

we don't hate cdpr. they're still my favorite developer by a mile. We hate first person, that's all. no one's calling for a boycott of CDPR, just saying we'll pass on this one.

[OnlyThoseOnTheFence]

People cry about it being FPS but nobody said anything about the last trailer having a girl whose skin SHATTERS BULLETS??? Unless that girl is carved out of a solid piece of metal there is no way in science or fiction that could make any sense. Forget "suspension of belief", you have to know absolutely nothing about ballistics to think that makes any sense whatsoever. /rant

[EazyC]

I do understand that skyscrapers' interiors and narrow doorways would be quite awkward, as would extremely dense city areas (if you read the previews, the population density of the city is meant to be breathtaking), so I'm not as sceptical as everyone else appears to be. Deus Ex is probably the easiest to compare it to, and that didn't feel hampered by first-person focus. In fact, an entirely third-person game would have been a little weird.

[Gatsu]

Many others do not understand this.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

CDPR has earned the right .... hell they always had the right to make whatever game they wanted. If you don't like what they are doing ...you can vote with your wallet. But until the game comes out, until anyone can demonstratively say its good or bad.... shut up and let them make the game they want to make.

[Fearmonkey]

Much prefer FP over third person, so I am happy.