Tomb Raider Dev Calls Last Of Us Part II Gameplay Fake, Apologizes

Last of Us Part II gameplay was shown yesterday at Sony E3 2018 Conference, The Gameplay featured Ellie and it was pretty impressive. In my opinion, it was one of the best gameplay demos sony ever.

The Fans reception was good too…but Tomb Raider Dev on twitter called the gameplay “Fake” in a tweet. The Tweet was deleted but it’s internet and there is nothing that you can hide.

[Blastoise]

I wouldn't pull at this thread if I were him xD

[-Foxtrot]

I mean he could do something more productive and make an actual Tomb Raider game instead of trying to make the franchise like other games. People can say what they want but the new Tomb Raider was heavily inspired by Uncharted and the Shadow of the Tomb Raider seemed it had learnt a thing or two off Last of Us...not saying the things they borrow were NaughtyDog "exclusive" features but it's clear they've been watching them closely while making the new Tomb Raider games

So yeah maybe he should just shut up, stop making bold claims and make an actual Tomb Raider game instead of LARA: First Blood Part III

[Spurg]

Oh...There you go with the Tomb raider argument again.
"...make an actual Tomb Raider game instead"
OMG please explain that. Do you want her to go to a tomb and raid it or something, the title isn't reflective of what a game should be.
"Uncharted and the Shadow of the Tomb Raider seemed it had learned a thing or two off Last of Us"
And the amount of times Uncharted copied ideas from tomb raider? I didn't know Last of us invented stealth gameplay.

The last of us 2 gameplay was a tab bit too scripted. The way everything was coming together felt too perfect and cinematic. The actual game isn't going to be as freeflow as this. Naughty dog hasn't been pioneers in gameplay they are actually average at best. Stories are their strong suit and I prefer the opening sequence where Ellie was interacting with the people in the party, that what makes last of us great.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Spurg - Yes, I want her to do that, like she would in the beginning.

ND are the best at the cinematic freeflow gameplay, remember when TLOU was shown and people said the same thing? Spoiler - they are still wiping egg off their faces.

[Ceaser9857361]

"Naughty dog hasn't been pioneers in gameplay they are actually average at best"

The lamest and most stupid comment I ever read..

I only agree with the scripted gameplay..

[AspiringProGenji]

''Naughty dog hasn't been pioneers in gameplay they are actually average at best. Stories are their strong suit and I prefer the opening sequence where Ellie was interacting with the people in the party, that what makes last of us great.''

then explain all the seamless action in gameplay in the Uncharted series and why TR tired to hard to pull that of... Explain TlOU multiplayer... I'll wait

[joab777]

Exactly. It’s like some random boxer watching Tyson in his prime and tweeting, “that wouldn’t knock me out!” Lmao!

The genius is this: the gameplay is so damn good that their nearest competitor thought it was fake. That speaks VOLUMES about ND.

[-Foxtrot]

@Spurg

"Do you want her to go to a tomb and raid it or something, the title isn't reflective of what a game should be"

Are you asking if I want Lara Croft to go on a globe trotting adventure to raid Tombs and temples in a Tomb Raider game? Urm...let me think...hmmm....YES

"OMG please explain that"

What I'd want from a Tomb Raider game

Lara Croft to look like Lara Croft...woman can look sexy and be a bad ass
A globe trotting adventure or a variety of locations across the world
Her dual pistols to be back
Enemies are mostly wildlife
Human enemies would crop up but she'd take them out non lethal if she has choice.
Tombs/Temples/Caves full of dangerous hazards
Traps scattered all over
Puzzles which could end your life if you aren't quick enough
Medkits to come back...a survival game with regen health...WHAAAA?
Better voice actresses...sorry but she's not convincing
Secrets to find
Save Crystals or a system like it
Find items across map, they are well hidden
Her acrobats and the like to return. Backflips...jump side to side.
Stop relying on massive set pieces which try too hard to put Uncharted to shame or something

I could go on.

[Skull521]

Looked real enough to me but Sony has faked gameplay in the past so it isn’t outside the realm of possibility that some of it is faked. Cocking that gun under the car seems suspicious but I guess we’ll find out.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

I actually enjoy the new Tomb Raider games.. I don't care for the old ones though

[SuperSonic91]

You know what, Fox... I have been controlling my rage against Tomb Raider since the reboot because it is super obvious they ripped off Uncharted in every possible way but this is it! They have crossed the line and I am crossing too.

They are so ungrateful to Naughty Dog.
I have followed Tomb Raider's history and Square Enix was very suspicious with their release dayes and delays. I have compared their "stolen"product to Naughty Dog's. And belieive you me ND is gonna exposed SE sooner of later for corporate theft.

TR chose to walk under the shadow of ND and now theu mad coz they cant get out of it.

Oh and SOTTR's ultra violent tone... guess where they got it from? This is why they tried to beat ND to it by announcing it before E3. Unfortunately they got exposed still.

I was right to boycott these suckers.

The heat is on!!!!

[MuddyWaters]

Not fake, it looked excellent. The only thing fake about it is how scripted and controlled of how it was demo'd.

[Skull521]

@SuperSonic91

You do realize Uncharted is a rip off of the Tomb Raider series don’t you?

It was called Male Tomb Raider for a reason...

[-Foxtrot]

@Skull521

Oh please that's what people said just because they were both adventure platforming games where the main character was a treasure hunter.

Tomb Raider was a third person platforming puzzle game with small shooting elements

Uncharted was a over the top third person action shooter platformer with small puzzle elements.

They stole more from Uncharted then Uncharted stole from them.

[victorMaje]

“LARA: First Blood Part III” 😂
Though I have nothing against Tomb Raider, it’s undeniable that without ND making Uncharted & The Last of Us Lara would’ve never made it back from her grave.
Anyone that says otherwise hasn’t been paying attention.
As for that TR dev, well...what Foxtrot said.

[Da12RespectA]

You high

[morganfell]

"The last of us 2 gameplay was a tab bit too scripted. "

Obvious signs of someone that never played the first game. I had numerous sequences that played out, minus the new mechanics (prone, etc) that worked out in a similar fashion playing the original. And here is what makes it amazing. I could go back through those levels, try the same thing again and everything went slightly different but also beautifully and was able to kill everyone silently. Then the third time through I would go in and everything went to hell and the AI would kill me half way through in a ruthless and particularly personal manner.

TLOU is a beautiful brutal game and the reality you can conduct sequences just like this time and again are a matter of simple fact. Anyone that has ever played TLOU (Obvious you have not) immediately recognized the gameplay and it felt instantly familiar to them. Laughable that someone such as yourself posts such a purposeful and ill informed remark when there are a ton of Survivor Difficulty videos and Speed Runs from TLOU where people pull off great situational combat moments that are not scripted.

[wd321]

You know, I don't understand how this isn't an "actual Tomb Raider game", as people put it, what does that mean, exactly, I'm really curious.

[Sevir]

I really wish you'd leave this Make an Actual Tomb Raider game nonesense in 2011... Ok! This Tomb Raider Reboot is heads and shoulders better than that overly sexualized acrobatic nonesense of a game... It was only popular because the men they made the game capitalized on on sex appeal while merging it with pulp fiction... That Lara Croft had zero story or personality other than being a video game vixen. Tomb Raider and the sequel there of has made the franchise relevant... Who cares if it finds it's success in the similar catalogue of Uncharted...?

As for this Developer's comment on TLOU2... Poor taste. Everyone knows that ND games are true to form with their gameplay reveals... And this gameplay Seems iterative on the mechanics they've set up from the first game in the series through Uncharted 4. There's nothing fake about this.

[Sevir]

You know people love to levy "scripted" the linear game as if it's some negative... Um this is Naughty Dog we are talking about. This is a Sequel to the greatest Story Driven action game of the PS3/XB360 generation. The first game play reveal for the last of us was met by Xbox fans accusing them of the demo being "scripted" and the extended gameplay and everyone's own gameplay in that exact same section was different.

Since The Last of Us, Naughty Dog's confrontations in combat has always been approachable from multiple ways, and you saw that in every step of the play through, they simple CHOSE to play and confront those scenarios to demonstrate the new additions to the combat.

Ellie is smaller in frame than Joel so naturally she can squeeze through shelves to get the jump on her enemies, the hiding in grass was something they brought over from Uncharted 4. Her being pulled out from under the truck wouldn't have happened if she stayed in the grass. There are so many ways you could see where the player could have chose to attack any given situation... And you wanna come here and call this "scripted".

Fun fact... Games are scripted, every thing in reactions to how it's played, free flow and all is all scripted... There is no game experience that isn't scripted... So pipe down with this. It's not working. The demo is full of choices and I guarantee when they play the game or when you play this sequence again you will choose a different way to survive that section and it still wouldn't negate their original showcase because it will be different

[Dirtnapstor]

@Spurg
“Scripted gameplay”
Of course it was! Guarantee the individual who played that sequence did it over a thousand fold. You really think they would ‘wing’ a gameplay demo for E3?!
Hats off to ND. I’d be willing to bet the game will flow just a fluidly as presented. And no, ND will not be making a Sims game so you can slow dance with your partner.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

Uncharted borrowed HEAVILY from tomb raider first.

[-Foxtrot]

@Sevir

“I really wish you'd leave this Make an Actual Tomb Raider game nonesense in 2011... Ok! This Tomb Raider Reboot is heads and shoulders better than that overly sexualized acrobatic nonesense of a game... It was only popular because the men they made the game capitalized on on sex appeal while merging it with pulp fiction... That Lara Croft had zero story or personality other than being a video game vixen. Tomb Raider and the sequel there of has made the franchise relevant... Who cares if it finds it's success in the similar catalogue of Uncharted...?”

So basically I should shut up because you, A NON old classic TR fan likes the news ones better which aren’t TR games at heart. I mean your little rant just showed us that you don’t give a shit about the old games so yeah of course you hate me going on about it because I have a point and you wouldn’t want the series to revert into something you’ve never liked.

Drop it...don’t make out I’m in the wrong because you hate the old games

Typical new fans who only love an old franchise because its changed into something else.

[badz149]

THIS IS CLASSIC! it's like you're playing so good and dominating in multiplayer, people call you hacking.

[Uken12]

It looks like a Tech Demo, this will not be the final build. It won't look better than PC games, it will look good but ps4 can NOT produce better graphics than a high end PC. This is running on PC.

But it doesn't even matter because it will still look f***ing amazing.

Also I love how ya'll insult the developer like you know how to make games better than he does. I'm sure. He's right but it isn't good for him to be public saying it for legal reasons or keeping his job reasons.

@xX-oldboy-Xx
I do remember that, and I also remember that the graphics were downgraded. I also remember ND using Ellen Pages likeness and claiming they had no idea. And then they had to change it. So ND had egg on their face.

[MadLad]

Oh hush. The Tomb Raider reboots are gems. Uncharted's formula, sure. Just done better in everything from the gunplay, to world traversal, puzzles, and character progression.

[Babadook7]

Yup. The Last of Us 2 is fake as fuck. Until a few years that is when Crystal Dynamics plays it and goes back to the drawing board. ;)

[Imalwaysright]

Here we go. The guy that knows nothing about TR talking about it.

"Tomb Raider was a third person platforming puzzle game with small shooting elements"

Utter bullshit and again proving that you know nothing about TR. TR has always been an action adventure franchise, emphasis on the word action. In fact it was a genre defining game and established many of the things we see in action adventure games today and this "small shooting elements" is hilarious. TR game had different weapons, different types of ammo and you literally finished them with hundreds of kills.

"They stole more from Uncharted then Uncharted stole from them"

LMAO. Lets see the things that TR had before Uncharted ever existing: platforming, climbing, exploration, puzzle solving, swimming, hand to hand combat, stealth, driving vehicles, set pieces, supernatural elements, hidden treasures, shooting enemies in the face and I could go on... Pretty much every core element that we see in Uncharted and it was TR that "stole"more from Uncharted? What a joke!

[thisismyaccount]

Wish someone would tweet that, it describes the series/reboot : Lara First Blood Part 3

[horndog]

You do know they tomb raider has been around longer than uncharted , right ?

I would say uncharted borrowed more from tomb raider . It goes back to the original PS where it had lots of success.

[tontontam0]

You do realize Uncharted is a rip off of the Tomb Raider series don’t you?

It was called Male Tomb Raider for a reason...

-I think you mean INDIANA JONES.

[bluefox755]

Would help if they made her a better character as well, she's just so dull and forgettable now. The old Lara was kinda cocky and sarcastic, which I liked.

[tontontam0]

You probably played TLOU on easy and ran around like an idiot

At first I thought it's way too scripted, but I remembered playing TLOU at grounded difficulty, I played so carefully perfect camera angles was necessary to make sure I'm not surrounded and I remember having playthroughs which are picture perfect you would think I directed my play through

I think they've done multiple playthroughs and it just turned out that the trailer they showed was the best.

[Edito]

I stopped playing Tomb Raider after Anniversary and the new one never got into me... For me it doesn't feel like Tomb Raider anymore.

I miss the loneliness of Tomb Raider The Last Revelation, Tomb Raider 3 in caves of Caliwa, London, Alexandria in Tomb Raider 4...

Those where good times.

[UltraNova]

About the whole "scripted" argument - if you made the game and knew every nook and cranny, enemy placement, environment cues etc etc wouldn't you be able to play any segment as good as we saw in that game play video? If we as the gamers went through the game or even one level multiple times wouldn't we be able to go through it with that ease?

To be frank, what I saw could very well be doable by anyone come release day. ND are that good so that level of cinematic gameplay is a totally reasonable expectation.

Edit: @spurg

Seriously know?

[SuperSonic91]

"Fake, eh?" Eidos should be directing that insult to Ubisoft not Naughty Dog.

[Realms]

ND got them shooked they better step their game up if they are going to be making stupid comments like that on twitter. Instead of elevating their game nope it's fake because we can't pull it off with Tomb Raider. That is why they are not on ND level they are too busy worrying about the competition to better their own game.

[-Foxtrot]

@Imalwaysright

LOL..."knows nothing about TR"

With 149 Agrees and people agreeing in the comments, I think it shows a little that I know a lot more then you

You know...the same guy who just HAS to reply to my TR posts and says the same thing over and over

"bu bu but Foxtrot the old Tomb Raider games ARE 100% EXACTLY LIKE the new ones, there's been no changes, it's always been like that"

Wrong...wrong...and wrong

Keep telling you this but you obviously just don't get it. As a TR fan, who actually played and like the old games, I know what I'm talking about

[Imalwaysright]

"With 149 Agrees and people agreeing in the comments, I think it shows a little that I know a lot more then you"

LMAO pathetic even more so when you're replying to someone that has been coming to this website for more than 10 years and knows very well how things are around here.

"You know...the same guy who just HAS to reply to my TR posts and says the same thing over and over"

Says the troll that feels the need to spout the same bullshit at every chance he gets.

"Keep telling you this but you obviously just don't get it. As a TR fan, who actually played and like the old games, I know what I'm talking about"

And yet you said that TR games were platformers so who exactly are you trying to fool? Enough with the bullshit. You didn't even know that TR has been an action adventure game from the get go. In fact a pioneer in the genre that dictated many of the things in the action adventure genre today and look, you can't even counter the things I said wich btw happens EVERY single time when I lay down the facts about the franchise because you know nothing about it after the original TR... oh wait not even that and you call yourself a fan? Platformer. What a joke.

[The Wood]

All inspired by Indiana Jones

the reboot is blatantly inspired by naughty dogs games. I have zero issue with that. My only issue is the dev taking shots like the side chick looking at dude with his family in the park. I notice only Sevir addressed both issues here when I skimmed the comments. . The rest of the guys. . . 'Noticeably Xbox owners' focus on what game inspired what but ignore the dumb comments towards a dev that has done very well in the genre. .or am I just imagining things?

Despite that I like the modernisation or Lara. . She's grown up and more fleshed out. . Sometimes things just have to move on or become stale like tr before the reboot. I understand Fox's complaints about the gameplay also as it is becoming more naughty dog than origin so for a dev to say what he said seems sooo butt hurt and ungrateful.

[mochachino]

The Tomb Raider origin games have been awesome and are some of the best third person action/story games available.

Think what you want from the devs comment regarding TLOU2; it's in very poor taste to criticize a competitor in a such a manner. But the past two Tomb Raider games have been pretty amazing. I'm very happy the series was resurrected and the origin angle was part of that.

[TallonIV]

Yeah how about you stick to the article instead of hating on the person?

The gameplay shown of TLoU2 was fake in a sense because there were parts during the demo that you or I will not be experiencing in the final version of the game. They obviously did it to make it more cinematic looking. If you don't know what I'm talking about watch whenever Ellie interacted with the enemies.

[naruga]

i m with him tbh ...it had extraordinary AI and gameplay to be true...ND did it again with 1st LoUS

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Get ready to be wrong, ND are the best at these types of games and this is the natural evolution/progression of the genre.

Have some faith - it's ND after all.

[Ceaser9857361]

The AI will be extraordinary this time and its confirmed..

[SAFYIIR]

Tomb Raiders devs are undercover in this thread lol

[Razzer]

The end result was a game too good to be true. Expect more of the same from the best damn developer in gaming.

[rainslacker]

I am curious why people keep doubting ND. I can't think of an instance since last gen where they haven't delivered what they showed. UC4 had some changes to the graphics which could be said to be downgraded,but other things were made batter in the process, giving a better overall picture. Other than that, everything that's been shown by them for quite some time has been actual game play demos. I can't see why they'd change that up now. that seemed like an actual level in the game....although I'm sure the staging to get into it is much different than being some flashback while getting it on at a community dance.

[SuperSonic91]

To all clueless Uncharted haters before you spew lies about Uncharted copying Tomb Raider on PSOne .... the Jak and Daxter trilogy would luke to have a word with you geniuses. Uncharted DF was basically Jak and Daxter 3 with an actual human insted of cartoon characters.

[boing1]

But this exactly it. You saw it and I saw it. What makes you think it is fake? How many times ND lied to us with fake gameplay, hm? How many times ND game didn't look or played as advertised?

[Edito]

I think we are all grown ups, we all know that there are small aspects that can differ from the gameplay trailer to the retail version of the game, a gameplay trailer is still a ideal vision, a closer vision to reality of the game it may end up not being exactly like the game play trailer but please don't call it fake because we all know that it will be 90% close to what they showed...

Make sure everyone buy the game and witness the master piece that this game will be.

[super_bruno]

Demo wasn't fake, it was scripted. He should have used other set of words.

[Chevalier]

Or he should be more professional. Language is definitely a barrier, but, tons of people in Montreal know english its pretty easy to talk to someone he works with or translator or heck even use Google to translate. Way to backtrack.

[AlphaCentyros]

Is it confirmed that it was scripted though?

[Concertoine]

Knowing ND, the game will look better when it hits shelves than it ever does at E3.

[boing1]

People said exactly the same thing when they showed gameplay of first LoU. Scripted!! And it wasn't.

[seanpitt23]

Yes it was scripted but it looked that good and blew people minds you just can't not think it's fake but with naughty dog you just know it's the real deal... Wow they are something else.

[TallonIV]

How is scripted not fake? They're implying that is how we will be playing the game when in actual fact it's not.

[GTgamer]

He just mad that last of us 2 made tomb raider look outdated ashell.

[rivaldoo777]

FACTS!!! LMAO

[Uken12]

No, it's clearly running on PC. Maybe he is salty. But anyone can tell it isn't going to be the final build. Only a fanboy would think so. PS4 is not better than a high end PC. I hate to break it to you. It will still look amazing regardless. Most games on ps4 look great. So who cares.

[Jinger]

Tomb raider has the better and more varied gameplay mechanics however.

[UCForce]

@Jinger Oh really ? The story of Tomb Raider reboot wasn’t amazing to be honest. Lara Croft just complaining all days and nights. Even Atreus and Ellie were a child but their development naturally grow and better than Lara Croft.

[Thatguy-310]

I understand his jealousy. Must be hard living under Naughty Dog's shadow. Poor poor man. All Tomb Raider is known for with the recent installments is for being a poor man's Uncharted.

[kneon]

The last TR was rather dull, it was a bit of a slog to get to the end. And then it ends with a terrible boss fight. It seems that they wanted to have a cinematic boss fight with ( i don't remember his name) so they forced you to kill him in exactly the way they wanted. Meanwhile, I'm there repeatedly bashing him in the head for 5 minutes with an ice ax while he just stood there and took it without even firing a shot, finally I figured out what it was they wanted.

Worst boss fight ever.

[nix]

I had the 1st reboot game via Plus, I just couldn't get in the game. Then few months later again I gave it a try. Nope just couldn't.

Somehow I think I love the old TR. It was highly sexualized person but it was at least fun to play that game. And nothing wrong in being sexy and bad ass. I would love to love TR again if they bring back the sexiness and the essence from the old game.

[rainslacker]

This will be his third statement about other games, and implying that his game is so much better, and somehow revolutionary. Each time, all I can think of is how derivative his own work has been, and how he's trying to make his game seem more progressive because Lara is a woman, and never actually acknowledges that she's not that strong of a character.

[-Foxtrot]

What else has he said about other games ?

[Crazyglues]

You must be doing something right when other studios are jealous of your game... Tomb Dev's Why so Jelly...? ....LoL

All jokes aside, my mouth was on the floor watching Last of Us II, it looked amazing, I can't wait for this game, Naughty Dog what you have done here..... Wow, once again amazing..

[Nyxus]

Fake? Has he never seen a Naughty Dog game before?

[CaptainOmega]

Well.. To be fair.. the intial gameplay reveal for The Last of Us 1 was not what we got in the final game. I can see some skepticism whether or not the combat will actually be that fluid and engaging.

[-Foxtrot]

True but it's not like the final product was down graded or dumbed the actual experience down. You didn't think "Oh man, in the trailers they had X, Y and Z features what the hell".

What we got in the Last of Us was on par or better then what we were shown. Only time I thought something like that about what we saw or were told about a game compared to what we got was Elder Scrolls Oblivion.

[AspiringProGenji]

The AI got downgraded for some reason but the same gameplay and features still remained, unless I am missing something here.

Also Uncharted 4's melee featured similar of those camera pans and animations. For Naughty Doge it wouldn't be impossible to make it even better than that or like we saw in the gameplay reveal. God of War a lots of seamless animations too

[BehindTheRows]

Um, we got the same game as revealed. Not sure what you played.

[CaptainOmega]

@Behind

Definately not.

One of the marks on the game was the AI wasn’t that great compared to the gamepaly reveal trailer.

[bolimekurac]

foxtrot not the point, people got pissed when division didnt look anything like what they showed and rightfully so, same for last of us , same for killzone and other games. showing people the best it can possibly look then downgrading it , is just tricking people, thats dishonest

[AspiringProGenji]

The Last of US was not downgraded graphically unlike The division. What people pointed out with TLoU was the AI was not the same. ND themselves said they changed it because it made the game too difficult but I never bought that excuse. With the power of the PS4 I hope they deliver this time with the AI, and the AI in TLoU was not that horrible in the end anyways

[morganfell]

@BehindThe Rows,

Hey you and I played the same game :) The same as everyone else. Not sure what they think happened.

As for this developer, he meant what he said. Just look at his reply or other tweets. He does not have an issue with a command of the English language. Now he not only jealous but now he is also a liar. While I do not think he should be fired, he should be forced to close his twitter account then Eidos should fly him to Naughty Dog's HQ in Santa Monica with a fairly ostentatious gift.

I am planning on purchasing SOTTR. His remark doesn't change that but he is bitter and jealous person and now the world is rightly pointing a finger in his face. I can only imagine what is happening at his job.

[-Foxtrot]

@bolimekurac

The Division is a shallow game though and being the kind of game it is it will always be that kind of franchise. I mean it was sad to see them create these great looking trailers at E3, like it's some massive single player story game but it's not.

The Division was called out because it had nothing else behind it, one thing gets cut from a ND game and it's usually balanced out with something else or the fact the entire game is really good.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

tbf E3 isn't exactly the show that shows 100% finished games that can be bought after it was shown 99% of the time. But when a game comes close to what it had shown and is simply amazing even after some changes then that is all a gamer needs at the end of the day.

[porkChop]

To his defense, the gameplay reveal for the first game featured a bunch of stuff that didn't actually exist when the game came out. The game was still amazing, but the gameplay wasn't accurate. Maybe that's what he meant with this comment. TLOU 2 does look fantastic, but everyone can see that gameplay demo was clearly scripted.

[mkis007]

I hope they just release another video of a new play-through of the same area to shut people up.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

It was clearly staged... Any experienced gamer could easily tell, came down to moving or hitting the right button at the right time. The final game will play like the 1st one, or at least I hope so. A lot of developers do this to show off their game though

[AspiringProGenji]

Because any experienced gamer like you said can't press the buttons at the right time, especially the developers? Man all fighting games must be fake now

[uncharted56]

uhhh it was literally confirmed that u can dodge, jump, go prone, hide under cars, run through tight spaces as a game mechanic. You do know that they are playing their own game, they have probably tested and polished this level multiple times to be as smooth as possible hence why it looked scripted to u. I don't think you know much about game development.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

So "I" say it's scripted and agrees that a lot of devs have been doing this and get downvoted but the other "Die hard Sony Fans" say it's scripted and its ok? Yeah... I give up lmao.

@ AspiringProGenji, that is not what I was saying, Im saying the demo looks more like a QTE fest (with no hud or prompts for the demo, immersion) than the first TLOU did and that the gameplay will probably be fine and play out like the 1st game. But everyone on here wants to get defensive about it... Geez

[rainslacker]

What was so different that it couldn't be real?

Lets look at the run down.

She stealthed her way through the first bit. I assume she could have killed off some bad guys.

The next scene of the guy being gutted, was a scripted event, and not part of game play. That was in the first game, and UC.

Then the game forced you into the parking garage for the next stage. Again, nothing out of the ordinary. The roaming enemies that could see you were part of the first game.

The next part she was stalking to kill the guy at the top, she was spotted. At this point, you'd have different ways to approach how you played. In this case, she killed the guy that spotted her first, and disarmed her and immediately used her weapon to finish off the character. This was a new mechanic, although UC4 had disarming if you killed a character and didn't have a weapon.

Then she was being shot at. She choose to run away, and I assume she could have handled the bad guys there. In the end, she went back into stealth mode, and they showed a new mechanic where you could crawl under objects. It's not much of a stretch to believe that the AI would look under stuff instead of just wondering around. Two new mechanics were shown here, shooting while lying down, and a new way to stealth under stuff.

She was spotted after shooting the person looking under the car. She ran away.

Then she picked up a bottle and threw it to stun an enemy. This was possible in the first game, and I used that tactic often. In this case, she grabbed the enemy, and used him as a bullet shield. Again, this was in the first game, although as I recall, the enemies wouldn't shoot their comrade.

Then she ran into the building, and was followed by several enemies. Again, this was done in the first game. She stealthed her away around, as enemies looked around for her. Behind stuff, and what not. They did this to some degree in the first game, it was more advanced this time.

Then they showed her stealthing around, and given the last game, there are probably different ways to approach the situation. I do think they chose the way they did it to highlight the brutality, and to show a semi-boss fight kind of deal, which showed off a much more advanced combat system.

So, the course of events may not be exact, and they probably were planned to play out in that manner for maximum effect, but to call it fake or not possible is just wrong at this junction.

[AspiringProGenji]

Ah please save the namecalling. Scripted or not, which it probably is, what you are trying to say is that those seamless movements are not gameplay but a cutscene. No one was actually playing it on stage, but that doesn’t mean it is fake gameplay

Besides who doesn’t know whenbto press the buttons correctly with time, especially “experienced gamers?”

[Timesplitter14]

well to be fair, it felt undoubtedly fake to me too. I'm sure this was actual recorded gameplay played by a real person, but it was fake in the sense that every second of that segment was intensely choregraphed, scripted and pre-arranged. It is not representative of the experience players will have with the final product

There is no way in hell a real game will play out this cinematically and dramatically in real life. Enemies will not react, talk and move like that in the final product. The action will not be prefectly paced like that. This sort of gameplay is logically impossible to accomplish... unless ND made some incredible breakthrough in AI

This was basically the single-player equivalent of those cringy multiplayer The Division demos where Ubisoft likes to pretend people online really talk like that in game. Nearly every AAA game has been guilty of doing that for years, though

[uncharted56]

the difference is that they are playing their own game so they can play out the level more smoother then us since they know how enemies will react and what steps to take and what not to do.

[rainslacker]

Can you be more specific and say what wouldn't be possible to do in the game?

What in the game play wouldn't be possible? If it's like the first game, it can obviously play out in different ways, and I doubt most players are going to be able to rush through it as fast as you saw here, and will spend more time looking around(something I noticed the player never really looked around much). But nothing in it seemed like it would be impossible.

[Imalwaysright]

With the crappy cpus in these consoles? Doubt that ND or any studio could do any relevant improvement with A.I this gen and for all the people that are seemingly outraged, this is not the 1st time that ND did this and they did it with this very same franchise https://www.youtube.com/wat...

I still remember how everyone was in awe with the AI in that demo. The game was released and the disappointment was real. In fact many consider the AI the weakest part of the game.

[UCForce]

@imalwaysright It’s still unprofessional from him.

[Imalwaysright]

UCForce

I'll take his unprofessionalism over ND misleading.

[Baza]

Jealousy. Trying to make himself feel better and elevate his game cause it looks preschool compared to Last of Us. There is nothing fake about Naughty Dog.

[SuperSonic91]

For the record

Uncharted and TLOU arw evolution of Jak and Daxter not the PSOne Tomb Raider.

These haters are so blinded.

[DivineAssault]

What a hater. Thats why these chumps were so nervous after GoW released. I know TLOU2 will smoke Tomb Raider shadows or whatever its called.

[81BX]

I find it odd you would then hate on tomb raider??? Oh sweet irony.

[RememberThe357]

I thought we just went through this with POTUS. That's not how irony works.

[81BX]

Lol

[Monkeysmoke]

The game so real the dude couldn't believe it is real lol.

Can't blame the poor dude, TLOU2 made Shadow of Tomb Raider look outdated already.

Sony development team are on another level!

[MadLad]

Two very different titles, but of course the immature have to bicker betweenst one another, and turn everything into an idiotic fanboy tantrum.

[UCForce]

Nope. It’s called unprofessional and immature from him. So yeah, he deserves to get caught for it.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Lol Fake you guys need a meme named after you guys tbh.

[AspiringProGenji]

The apology itself is fake

[blackblades]

Can't wait for them to eat those words, and a dev should never say someone else work is fake. He also sound mad that his game won't be like that it's just sad really. Surprise he didn't get a huge backlash from others in the industry.

[SuperSonic91]

I see a massive Tomb Raider boycott just like PS3 gamer boycott Ninja Theory's Enslaved.

This ain't gonna do well for TR.

[ILostMyMind]

And I still keep mine. Since the Tomb Raider fiasco I do not buy any games that are first released on XBox.

[rivaldoo777]

Wait they boycott enslaved? Why? I thought the game was really good but didn't get the attention it deserved.

[bujasem_89]

Who boycotted enslaved? I don't remember anything bad surrounding that game. It had so many memorable moments. It is also the game that let HZD come out on ps4 instead. Which i think worked great for everyone. I only played sunset OD on my OG xbox i'll be playing ninja theories future projects on there now. Or my PC. I just really wish this entire community can see eye to eye, respect one another, and appreciate the beauty of all the differences each Dev and company has to offer.

[SkippyPaccino]

The hate doesn't even make sense...lol! Your game is coming out in 3 months and we know nothing of The Last of Us release date

[Krangs_Uncle]

Says the guys who carbon copied the style of Uncharted's action sequences, with The Last of Us's crafting system.

Poor man's Naughty Dog.

[SAFYIIR]

OUCH.. that hurts

[porkChop]

The Tomb Raider reboot released before The Last of Us though, so I don't see how they ripped that off? It's a crafting system, many games have had them for the last 15 years.

[SuperSonic91]

You dont know how many and how long TR reboot was delayed, bro?

[porkChop]

@SuperSonic

What do delays have to do with it? The game came out before TLOU, so I don't see how anyone can say it copied the crafting system. That just doesn't make any sense.

[UCForce]

The Last of Us isn’t like Tomb Raider. And Tomb Raider reboot change for the worst,

[porkChop]

@UCForce

Right, they're different games. I agree, but I'm not the one that brought them up. And we're not talking about which game is better. Krangs said that TR copied TLOU crafting system. But that doesn't make sense to me because TR released first. How can a game copy another game that comes out later?

[Jaypi03]

But Tomb Raider the series, before the reboot came out before Uncharted, so technically Uncharted was inspired by classic Tomb Raider.

[Indigon]

Some jealousy there.

[AdonisIsBeast]

WOW

[StifflerK]

Well to be fair

TLOU E3 2012 demo - remember the balance of power AI they showcased at E3?
https://youtu.be/kbLOokeC3V...

Notice how Ellie is perfectly placed throughout - doesn't run around randomly in front of bad guys etc
And how the enemy AI is flawless.
Yeah, the final game was not like that - don't get me wrong - there are cool things that can happen on occasion, but also lots of crazy weird stuff.

https://youtu.be/BF0EaH73ee...
https://youtu.be/CxnYTh-43M...

Before you 'disagree' me to death for criticising ND - I'm not saying the game is bad, or that the demo is fake.
I am saying that a lot of E3 stage demos in general are probably scripted, with ND being no exception.

[Nyxus]

That doesn't make it fake. Fake would be a CGI video posing as gameplay, or something like that.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

Fake can mean a lot of things... Yes, Im over-analyzing since you all want to over-analyze his statement!

[Nyxus]

@ Gutz: I guess I have a different definition of fake then. Every E3 demo is rehearsed to hell before it's being put on stage. It's standard practice.

[Imalwaysright]

Yes it does because its misleading and nowhere to be found in the game. I consider the game to be a masterpiece but that was not the game that I played.

[StifflerK]

I didn't say it was fake, I do think it was scripted - but I do think that scripted demos are something we see a lot of at E3.

[Christopher]

The exact same thing can be said of Tomb Raider, though. Things change, AI is adjusted for better gameplay, etc.

It's really bad form to call out something done normally in the industry by a fellow person of the industry.

Especially when the conversation he started was about animations, and it then becomes an attack about the animations, not gameplay.

[rainslacker]

I remember the last Horizon Zero Dawn game play showing before launch, when they fought the T-Rex, and while that scene before it, and the T-Rex charging in out of nowhere was nowhere to be seen in the game, it still didn't show anything in actual game play that wasn't possible within the game.

And that's what trailers are for. To show what is possible in the game, and give a good feeling of what to expect.

Everything i saw in TLOU2 trailer seemed more than possible with current technology, and most was just an extension of what ND has done in the past. ND is known to improve on their game play with each release, and I don't see why this would be any different.

[Salooh]

I agree but in the sense, he did apologies , it's not our business to go into his intention. He corrected his mistake and that all it matter...

but also we have the right to discuss what he mean by his tweet..

[TallonIV]

The way the enemies acted and knew exactly where Ellie, there is no way that will be in the final game. Therefore the footage was fake.

[Christopher]

***The way the enemies acted and knew exactly where Ellie, there is no way that will be in the final game. Therefore the footage was fake.***

You mean how they followed where she went and searched under cars and behind multiple areas and how they grouped up once she was found?

I'm skeptical as to what will be in the final game, but none of that didn't make sense at all. They even showed you how they had AI to whistle to tell others in their group where that were.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

Don't even try man, a fan or not, these guys will not take any opinion unless praise :/ I said the same thing, which is true and at the end of the day who cares what any one thinks, the game will be amazing and so will the next TR, I think the devs just used the wrong term "Fake" instead of "Scripted", but people lack common sense and think that everyone has perfect grammar in describing something.

[Christopher]

Scripted would have been a much better term and would be correct. They had someone play through that hundreds of times in order to get that one playthrough alone, maybe even sliced together two or three via cutscenes. It was gameplay, but it was a heavily marketed playthrough and not live.

[rainslacker]

Maybe if you can cite specific examples of what is fake in the video your opinion would hold more weight. Saying it's a scripted and fake is just a general statement without anything to discuss. I already replied to another one of your comments which cited what I saw. I do believe the set up was in such a way to have it go that way, and it likely wouldn't be that smooth for the average player, because if they're like me, they don't not look around before moving out of stealth, and they don't always just run to the exact place they need to be, or may miss the bottle at one point, or might decide to crawl out from udner the car instead of getting seen by the lady....so on and so forth.

[Chevalier]

Why is he posting without checking first? He's a professional in his field and represents the face of his company at all times. Its also common sense if you're not a native speaker. Also as other people have pointed out already if you look at other posts by the same person that are also in English there are no problems with either language or grammer. Now all of a sudden his excuse is his English isn't good? Okay maybe if none of your other post made sense then sure. Isn't it now a convenient excuse? He might want to go back and delete all those other post he has made in perfect English and grammer if thats the case. Does he think no one can go back and read his other English posts?

[Imalwaysright]

@ Christopher

But for that to happen the AI would have to react the same way every single time. Enemies would have to be in the right place and at the right time for someone to practice over and over the gameplay that was shown to us and I don't see how that is possible unless it was scripted.

[Thatguy-310]

Enemy AI is dumbed down if you're playing on easy like that video clearly was doing.
I do agree that the Ally AI was dumbed down but as far as enemies go in the harder difficulty level they delivered.

[Tobse]

E3 Demos are scripted and are made to make the game look as fluid as possible, this is nothing new and everyone does it. So he is Kinda right.

[Blu3_Berry]

Careful dev, you are treading on some mighty thin ice.

[FullmetalRoyale]

You sure as hell ain’t my daughter!

[Yui_Suzumiya]

...and I sure as hell ain't your father

[Bathyj]

I just got goosebumps

[aConIsDemocracy]

mmm. what should i buy. lou2 or uncharted raider? Think I'll go for the former.

[ziggurcat]

I'll be buying both.

[Lon3wolf]

Indeed, they said something they shouldn't have about the TLoU 2 showing, no need to miss out on a game over that tbh.

[Blu3_Berry]

Why not both, they are releasing very far away from eachother after all.

[aConIsDemocracy]

Yeah maybe your right. I'll delete my comment then apologize. :)

[Bathyj]

BOOM!

[Tobse]

Why not both? Play one this year and one in 2020, you get enough time.

[aConIsDemocracy]

i'm sure i will. Im just having a laugh. I love all games if they're good.

[rivaldoo777]

Lol I hope its 2019. But don't mind 2020 as long as it looks and plays like the phenomenal demo we have seen as well as exceptional tale to be told.

[XxSPIDEYxX]

I predicted this would happen, but not by another game developer. That's just sad.

[killswitch80]

This wasn't a mistake with him trying to speak English...he knew what his intent was.

[Chaosdreams]

So sour lol

[ocelot07]

Says the dev that gives Lara x-ray vision.

[Hakoom]

LOL
he cant believe its gameplay
its naughtydogs you are dealing with here dont forget xD

[firelogic]

Shadow of the Tomb Raider's stealth/melee demo might as well have been QTEs. Button icons everywhere. Press Y to go into stealth. Enemy walks toward Lara and a button prompt lights up above his head. Hit Y and she does a canned animation and moves to the next guy. Yeah, that's really awesome Crystal Dynamics.

TLoU2's combat is visceral and has weight to each swing and each hit. CD should be taking notes, not talking out of their asses.

[bolimekurac]

i think it was fake too, the way it all played out felt way to scripted and im talking about the elements that seemed to be gameplay. no one was shown playing the game . Thats not saying its fake but it reminds me of killzone at e3 when they staged that lie. now dont hate on me, i hope it plays just like that and if so i will be here to tell everyone how amazing it is, if both the last of us and ghost play exactly like what we where shown, animations and gameplay , graphic fidelity ,all of it, then im amazed and will be in joy when they release on the ps4pro . im just skeptical because they have lied before and fooled us with cgi they claimed was gameplay

[Nyxus]

Killzone 2 was a target render, a very different situation. Sony doesn't do that anymore, they have learned their lesson ten years ago.

[SCW1982]

When have they claimed CGI was gameplay? (Source)

[The_Sage]

I don't remember anyone claiming that the Killzone trailer was gameplay.

[BlaqMagiq1]

Sony never claimed the original Killzone 2 trailer was gameplay. Only what was possible with PS3 at the time.

[masterfox]

Message to that Tomb Raider Dev: Now you know the difference of talent(ND) and no talent (TombRaider Dev). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[doggo84]

Burn! #truth

[RainbowBrite]

He apologized "just bad wording from a french speaking person". You are making a big deal of this. English being not mynative language, I make mistakes myself many many times.

[RandoCommenter]

Interesting. According to one of the commenters on the site he might have been referring to the realistic enemy reactions. We'll see if it plays the same when it comes out. Otherwise it looks amazing.

[-Gespenst-]

That gameplay was very obviously staged. Fake isn't the right word, but nevertheless, this footage could be misleading to people who aren't used to videogames. Don't expect something that fluid from the final game.

[rainslacker]

I think choreographed is a better term than fake. I can see everything in that demo being possible in the game. The only thing that may not be part of the game was the execution at the end. That could very well be there for the dramatic effect of the trailer.

[PixelOmen]

The general idea of how it played out, sure, but not the fluidity of the animations. A ton of that scenario was very clearly scripted.

[bolimekurac]

yeah but nd says its not scripted in the way we think, its all streaming and playable in realitime using their new tech, so lets see.
if it is, then im really impressed

[rainslacker]

ND is top of the game when it comes to animations, and attention to detail in said animations. I don't see that being different in the final product. Again, there was nothing in the demo that seemed impossible.

[Italiano1234567]

Jealous u stupid fuck...Guess what i wont be buying Tomb Raider now...Haha

[doggo84]

Lmao exactly. Tomb raider looks like a piece of shit compared to TLOU 2.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

LMAO...TR devs upset ND makes a mockery of their games.

[Italiano1234567]

Asshole can u say super jealous ur game cant compare

[maybelovehate]

Fake is the wrong word, but heavily scripted for sure. Although Last of Us is also pretty scripted in as far as what animations play when. Sometimes it feels like we are just there for the programmers to play the game while we watch haha.

[PixelOmen]

A lot of it was very obviously scripted. It's pretty sad how many people here think the dynamic animations will look exactly like that. Naughty dog does some amazing animation work, but nobody does dynamic contextual animations that well, period.

[maybelovehate]

They can look like that but it does involve some heavy scripting. I am fine with it in a story based game, but it does take away from the gameplay quite a bit.

[PixelOmen]

Right, what I'm saying is *dynamic* animations can't really look like that. They can't look like that and be triggered dynamically and blended together from random player input.

[InKnight7s]

Says co-SE Tomb Raider lost developer, who have been heavily inspired(legal way to copycat and clone) by Uncharterd.

[YEP414]

True statement! Clearly it was not near real footage!! Maybe a movie 🎥!truth hurts

[BehindTheRows]

If he believed, he wouldn’t have apologized.

[Italiano1234567]

What was it fake take ur piece of shit xbox and shove it up ur ass...I know it hurts thats sony pretty much dominated since they been in the console business

[InKnight7s]

I would pick fake gameplay demo for a ND game over Uncharted: Tomb Raider mod and over Fake Lara Croft that never meant to be without two pistols for this long, anyday.

[S2Killinit]

Based on how amazing it was i can see why he thought it was fake. But people should think more before they talk

[antikbaka]

Actually I agree. It was all the script. Look at any game now or any presented at E3. No AI movements are as smooth as in LoU 2. It's unnaturally ideal. Especially the moment when Ellie is hit with an arrow.

[BehindTheRows]

No. That is simply how good Naughty Dog’s animations are.

[antikbaka]

nope, they weren't this way in uncharted.

[BehindTheRows]

Uncharted is an older franchise and they always vastly improve animations with each new release. Just look at the differences implemented between Uncharted 2 and 3 - and that was last gen.

Last thing one should do is doubt Naughty Dog's capabilities regarding animations.

[SAFYIIR]

Tomb Raider could've been this good. Just give the franchise to ND lol

[Razzer]

Uh.....here is an idea. Why don't you try rising to ND's level instead of trying to bring ND down to yours?

[frostlatch]

lol jealous much? True drama in Last of Us II vs the forced drama or their Tomb Raider series maybe? Or was it the graphics?

[StormSailor]

All I want is a sexy and hot Lara Croft back, technically Tomb Raider studio is a late generation with Naughty Dog

Could they have the differential and make a sensual character without fear of criticism would be an advantage over ND

[PaleMoonDeath]

Envy be damned son.

[theshredded]

He's being real guys, remember that demo when The Last of Us was announced? Heavily scripted and not all of it was reflected in the final release.

[xenz]

AI got dumbed down, yes, but every game mechanic in the original Last of Us was there. Ellie created oppurtunities for an attack, enemies flanked you.. even if you aim at an enemy that you beat to the ground, they would beg you to let them live.

This narrative that Naughty Dog removed so "many" features from their first reveal is factually wrong.

[PixelOmen]

I'm not sure you understand what the topic is here. It's not about mechanics. It's simply that it was heavily scripted, aka the way Ellie and the enemies moved around the environment and their animations. Almost none of it was dynamic, both in terms of pathing and the animations themselves.

[CrystalFantasy]

Hater

[King_Lothric]

That's what The Last of Us cause in other developers... ENVY.

They work so hard on their games and when they see what Playstation first party games can achieve, they get full of envy and discouragement.

Naughty Dog is a top legendary developer and their reputation is proven with their work and not with blah blah blah.

[chiefJohn117]

It did look highly scripted

[DialgaMarine]

In what way? There were at least a dozen other ways that whole segment could’ve played out.

[monochromer]

Sounds like a salty dev upset because his game looks so rough around the edges. The new Tomb Raider gameplay somehow managed to look worse than the two previous and admittedly solid games. It looked janky and poorly-made. I guess I'd be salty too.

[CP_Company]

you can dodge, prone, jump and go in tight spaces, so gameplay was not so scripted as someone said.

[DialgaMarine]

It’s okay to be jealous. Bore Raider is simply inferior to both Uncharted and TLoU.

[Gunstar75]

It did look scripted

[Wallstreet37]

Lol oh the salt!!! And jealousy. I remember when ppl thought Tlou 1 footage was fake and oh boy were thy eating tons of crow.

[Nacho_Z]

To be fair after seeing the initial amazing looking gameplay in the original TLOU footage I felt mislead when I was actually playing the game and it was a poor imitation of it. Watching the footage of the sequel gave me a strong sense of deja vu that they're pulling the same trick.

[Ninver]

Why are people always in such denial when the truth is clearly present? How many times must sony devs prove their teir?

Naughty dog has proven countless times they are magicians when it comes to game development.

It really comes down to jelousy and disbelief that a game can be this polished.

[GrimDragon]

Concerned devs should never tweet their feelings. Dumb, very dumb.

[JKSimmons]

Wow...

[Silly gameAr]

Sour grapes.

[PCgamer98]

Probably scripted gameplay but I doubt it was fake.

[MehmetAlperTR]

you cant do the same... so dont call it fake..

[sampsonon]

jealous much? lol

[fatbastard11]

The video did look heavily censored.The gameplay was TOO realistic to be true.Ellie seemed to take random paths yet the animations looked scripted me nevertheless.For example, in that abandoned store she hid in, she shifted through a crack.That was a random occurrence yet the animation looked scripted.

[Christopher]

Well, that's not scripted so much as a detected animation for squeezing between those sort of spaces. Same with hiding under the car. It seems they are pushing the limits of what were before just progression animations that took control away from the player and blending them into actual gameplay by giving the player the choice to utilize more but make it still seem cinematic.

I'm not sure if it will carry over fully, but the question is what would the AI have done if she hadn't crawled under the car or if she had taken a completely different route in the destroyed bridge area?

[fatbastard11]

Yes that's another good point.Video games haven't been this advanced yet.

[wd321]

Honestly, I just roll my eyes at this whole thing, it's ridiculous. Who knows if he was just hating on the game or if he was just joking. Two sides to everything, and all that. If he was hating, that's all on him. If he feels the need to bash on a game, then he, obviously, is just being a sore loser. If he isn't bashing, then it's all a misunderstanding. Meanwhile, while this is all going down, I'm enjoying what both games are bringing to the table. Can't wait to play both and enjoy them both, along with all the other games that were announced during E3.

[Mylove1516]

I'm not going to debate over it being real or not but people need to realize that Sony own alot of mo cap tech that is used for the films they make, which is also used in every 1st party game they're studios make. So if an animation looks unnaturally good, it could be because they have tons of mo cap tech at hand.

[Xx_Pistol_xX]

If he was being real this is salty and so epic at the same time. When a game is so good looking that a dev can't tell the difference that's talent.

[DrumBeat]

The visuals and gameplay in TLOU Part II look a hell of a lot better than this Tomb Raider game. I'm assuming he's jealous his team can't pull off the same amazing visuals as Naughty Dog.

[SouljAx360]

It did look fake. Fake probably not being the right word for some of you though, more like "scripted". A lot of the e3 demos were like that not just LoU2. Gotta put on a show and wow the crowd, no more of that controller isn't working stuff like what happened with UC4. It's not a terrible thing we still get a really good idea of what we already know, which is how the combat will work in LoU2. One thing it definitely looked was good. SotTR wasn't scripted at all, you can tell from the way the AI acted in their playthrough lol.

[UCForce]

Shadow of Tomb Raider is still have the same old QTE and animation is maybe improvements but still clunky. The story of Tomb Raider is so goddamn generic to be honest. The first one is how to be Tomb Raider and the second one still about how to be Tomb Raider and third one will be like that. Lara Croft is still whining.

[OpenGL]

I can understand why he would think that. When you look at the visuals, physics and animations of Uncharted 4 next to Rise of the Tomb Raider, it's hard to believe Uncharted 4 is real.

[TheOttomatic91]

*facepalm*

[corroios]

Tomb what? Tlou2 trailer was next gen quality. Nd are the kings.

[47]

It was fake. It was entirely scripted, which isn’t uncommon for a presentation like this. Not sure why so many nit wits got their panties in a bunch over that entirely accurate comment.

[DialgaMarine]

That whole segment could’ve gone entirely different. For example, they could’ve avoided alerting that one enemy, and killed everyone there in stealth, or they could’ve gone without killing anyone. They could’ve also taken a different path from climbing up and over the wall on that AC unit. How this scripted? Same applies to the original TLoU footage. Did you even play the game?

[AgeInTheCage]

The last of us 2 makes this new tomb raider game look a gen behind, no wonder they're jealous.

[Tankbusta40]

Maybe it was fake? We didn't get a release date and E3 has had plenty of cases where their E3 showing ended up being vastly different than the game that was released

[DialgaMarine]

Sony doesn’t announce release dates until they’re close so that they can be sure. They’re tired of giving windows and then people crying when it gets delayed by a few months.

[Tankbusta40]

Okay I can see by my 6 downvotes that the Sony defense brigade is living hard in this thread. So many games are different from their E3 trailers...you guys live in the clouds anymore with your fanboyism. By not giving a time line it means the game isn't coming out for a year. I also love how you DialgaMarine acts like you are a spokesman for Sony and know their inner workings and thoughts.

[DialgaMarine]

Nope. I just have common sense. You’re just bitching about something for the sake of bitching.

[PiNkFaIrYbOi]

He was so jelly of Last Of Us Part II.

[KickSpinFilter]

Face it... The TLOU2 is miles and miles and miles ahead of really anything out there. Even Ghost, Spider-Man, GOW, developer game feel like what TLOU did 6 years ago. I have been playing games for a very long time and TLOU2 is just light years ahead of everything I have seen this year. That gameplay was godlike.

[dRanzer]

don't be mad, ND are better devs

[videogamereporter]

What a horrible writing.

[paintedgamer1984]

This is just amazing. Can we make a meme of this guy saying this with a face like nd owes him child support 😂😂🙄

[ceballos77mx]

Hes just sour that TloU2 with just a video of girls kissing and dancing and a couple of minutes of gameplay overshadowed his game, and no one is talking about it.

[Persian_Immortal]

I take it he's seen all the Game Of The Year Awards Naughty Dog has won, Uncharted 2(200) gotys and Uncharted 4 won 165 gotys aswell as 250 gotys With The Last Of US, Games scoring 96, 95 and 93 on Metacritic, While Rise and Reboot score 86 and 87 and win less then 20 gotys

[Persian_Immortal]

For the Disagrees forgot to mention that in 2013 Tomb Raider reboot only won 7 Goty awards, and The Last OF US won 250, and GTA V won 156 Gotys that same year, in 2015 Rise Of The Tomb Raider won 5 while the holy grail Witcher 3 won 257, a year later 2016 Uncharted 4 won 165 Gotys and gave Naughty Dog their 3rd overall Goty, tieing them up with Bethesda Softworks for most critically acclaimed games. Crystal Dynamics is the better Tomb Raider devs in my opinion Eidos Montreal played in role in originally destroying the Tomb Raider franchise and getting rid of the Original Tr devs(Core Interactive) so they have no leg to stand on.

TR devs (mainline only no DLC or expansion games)
Angel of Darkness 49 Metacritic PC
Tomb Raider Chronicles 57 Metacritic PC
Tomb Raider Anniversary 71 Metacritic Wii
Tomb Raider III 76 Metacritic
Tomb Raider Underworld 75/76 Metacritic PS3 and 360
Tomb Raider II 85 Metacritic
Tomb Raider Reboot 86 Metacritic
Rise Of The Tomb Raider 87 metacritic
Tomb Raider 1 PS1 91 Metacitic

Highest rated 91
Lowest Rated 49

compare that to this
Naughty Dog developed games (main no DLC expansions)

JAK III 84 Metacritic
JAK II 87 Metacritic
Crash Team Racing 88 Metacritic
Uncharted 1 88 Metacritic
Jak and Daxter Precursor Legacy 90 Metacritic
Crash Bandicoot 3 Warped 91 Metacritic
Uncharted 3 Drakes Decption 93 Metacritic
The Last Of US 95 Metacritic
Uncharted 2 Among Thieves 96 Metacritic

Highest Rated 96
Lowest Rated 84

[ibrake4naps]

so it's TOO good to be real. Quite the compliment!

[DJ_Professor_K]

Wow he said that what a complement it’s just so unbelievable they can’t believe it lol

[clouds5]

In my book, everything I see from a game until I actually play it myself is completely fake. They only show you what they want you to see...

[doggo84]

Naughty dog to Eidos Montreal:

https://tenor.com/view/kean...

[dreue]

How cares about tomb raider? Those guys just to even say that, for me means a lot of fear o their own product... Well i never saw nd or other from sony to say what this dude did.... So ya for me thei just show bow bitt hurt thei are since they need to work a lot more to compete with the last of us....

[Sm3000]

That doesn't come off salty and jealous, nope, not at all

[BondJames]

It was scripted gameplay so it was fake

[Elda]

Sounds like envy & jealousy,guessing that's a good thing. WerQ Naughty Dog!!

[pinkcrocodile75]

Hang on is this basically a "He said something silly and then said he was sorry" story?

If so, why are we moaning about it.

[CanadianTurtle]

People easily dismiss the fact that TLOU1's gameplay demo had a false representation as well, and the end product was much different than advertised. There were lots of elements to the game's AI that were teased in the gameplay trailers, but they didn't make it into the final product. As much as I love TLOU, I still have to accept that the final product had downgraded gameplay. It's still a 9.5/10 game for me though

[UCForce]

I can say the same thing with Tomb Raider.

[Xavi4K]

Well it was clearly that its scripted bow ay ps4 or even pro can manage such smooth animation unless the game is planned for ps5

[mkis007]

check it when it releases. Naughty Dog are graphics pioneers.

[dreue]

Ok, i see so much stupid shit in he comments, this dev from the new tomb should have say nothing at all, if he does not want to give props to naughty dog, then at least dont say what you dont know.... Iven if this was fake, you have no deal to say it.... Because naughty dog already show what their are capable off, they have no need to prove to no one.... And sony people that also play on ps4 have full confidence on the devs, like me.... So this just show that they are more scared of this game than foxus on tgeir one.... For me it shows that they are tremble, i can be wrong... But because of it i will not get that tomb raider.... It is bad, i dont see this shit from sony devs at all.... They are 100% on the games their are working on.... It is sad that other devs is actually trying hard to donwplay another fellow developer....

[Tzuno]

Oh deer, the envy is real.

[Akarogg]

He is clearly Jelly. The new Tomb Raiders are weak Naughty Dog wannabe's

[D3athc3ll]

I don't know why people complain with the gameplay. I think is was real, but was practiced and probably played over and over in order to show the best immersive gameplay. Just look at this dude playing Last of Us Part 1 and how good he is
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[JMyers]

If you can't make it, call it fake I guess

[fluxmulder]

Well he's a credible source. Being the head of Eidos Montreal, he probably knows a thing or two about scripted demos. And those combat sequences did look suspiciously smooth. Normally you'd expect some transition pops between non-combat to combat animations, but there were absolutely none. Either ND have gotten that good at blending animations, or ND used some scripted mocap animations.

[mkis007]

Naughty dog was doing things with animation no one else did as early as Uncharted 1. Example: For just being in cover while crouching they many animations. All will be available to scrutinize when the game releases.

[inxine]

woow what a dick move. no one ever said anything about the redundancy that tomb raider is at this point, but u dont trash talk other hard working people. especially, especially after u work in the same kinda field. theres enough space for everyone.

[cellfluid]

The hate is real lol

[EricHonolulu]

Sour grapes. LOU2 is 2 good!

[ybadr]

he's Just used to Tomb Raider gameplay.

[GrizToof]

For all that make the argument that tomb raider is copying uncharted just remember that uncharted and lots of other games are copying the original tomb raider, and if you look deeper it probably copied another game. the guy who made the comment is French, he might have meant to say something else and wrote it wrong. If that comment is what he meant then it’s pretty unprofessional but he has the right to his opinion.

[Dirtnapstor]

Realistically, it was probably an off-the-cuff remark. He knows better. The TR series has nothing to be ashamed of. It’s fantastic regardless of the similar genre.
And for all of the nay-sayers, TR has been around much, much longer than UC. If I had to pick between these two children, it would be UC. However, the core ideas of what makes BOTH series great is not because of the advent of UC.

[Thomaticus]

Tomb Raider franchise was all but dead until the devs began using the blueprint from ND's Uncharted series. I hate to see one professional be rude to another in that manner. It's Twitter, that's what you do. Tweet an Delete.

[strayanalog]

Uncharted was influenced by many things, as are all video games, and in this case early movie serials (movies from the '30s and the '50s), Tintin, Cary Grant, Johnny Knoxville, Indiana Jones, and yes, Lara Croft.
And now it has come full circle, and Tomb Raider borrows from Uncharted. Why is that such a bad thing? Happens. Just makes developers strive to do better.‎

Back on topic. Could this have been a joke? You better believe it. And we all have seen faked game trailers and footage, so even if it's not a joke then that's his opinion. Should he had been more professional on Twitter? Yes, without a doubt. Save jokes and unsure opinions for your phones and conversations, because overblown nonsense happens a lot over the net.‎

But you know what's without a doubt true? David Anfossi and Johnathan Cooper aren't fighting about their games.
‎
I personally don't believe anything I see at E3, good footage or not, until I actually get to play it. The Expo is all just a preview and should be treated as such, so in my personal opinion, every trailer and piece of footage is a facade.

[SuperbVillain]

Hes maaad

[ufo8mycat]

Instead of being jealous about a far superior game like TLOU/2, how about the dev actually use that as motivation to make a Tomb Raider game close to the level of TLOU 2 both in gameplay, characters, graphics and story?

[ComBaTs0uL-79]

Uncharted and the last of us are good games but to call tombraider a poor man's uncharted just proves your a Sony drone.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Umm thats what they are though, with an awful story and limited combat encounters.

[ComBaTs0uL-79]

And from what I seen of last of us 2 the game play is exactly like tombraider which isn't a bad thing because I like the stealth gameplay, i am currently playing rise of the tombraider.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

LOL WHAT? TLOU plays nothing like TR, good lord what are you on?

[ComBaTs0uL-79]

Jesus look at the clip they share a lot of similar game play and I meen a lot.
https://youtu.be/e6mDcCX693...
Your in denial

[BehindTheRows]

Exactly like Tomb Raider? Definitely not. And you can't expect to be taken seriously when you insult people by calling them "Sony drones". Try to have a mature discussion.

[ComBaTs0uL-79]

Sorry does fanboy suit you better?

[Dirtnapstor]

Agreed ComBatsS0uL. We should give credit where credit is due. The neo-Tomb Raider series is excellent!

[BehindTheRows]

No point in discussing things with you, since you can't without the insults. Speaks volumes about the validity of other opinions, I say, versus the lack of such from yours.

[fluxmulder]

Agreed. Though weaker in story, the TR reboots for me have been superior to Uncharted gameplay-wise.

[Kyizen]

While some encounters were scripted. Alot of it showed off the new AI and is in the game. For example. Hiding under cars, being seen in grass if it is not tall enough. AI looking for you under cars, calling each other by name, running away or flanking. All that is going to make very tense great experiences. Just dont pick up arrows with a hammer swinging dude behind you!

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Jealous much lol. ND make way better games, they should look in the mirror before throwing shade. They already tried to rip off Uncharted with the new Tomb Raiders, they can't write for crap though.

[AmUnRa]

And i tough that developers have respect for other developers work.

How wrong i was, but this guy, sorry i have zero respect for the guy, don't cry about other games, (witch are better than yours), no try to do better.
Have respect for one of the best developers out in the wild. Grow up.

[Hugodastrevas]

Apology accepted

[GNCFLYER]

How stupid of this guy to burn bridges in his industry. So after he gets laid off and ND is hiring, that is a job he cant apply for.

Also since ND is strong first party for Sony it looks like there is a lot of jobs he won't be able to get.

[Asuka]

Yikes

[S2Killinit]

the nerves of this developer to downplay Naughty Dog when they literally picked up Tomb Raider again in order to copy Uncharted's success formula is cringeworthy. Instead of having respect for the pioneers, they wanted to say "me too, me too".

smh

[bluefox755]

If an actual gameplay mechanic "seems scripted", I'm thinking that means they're doing their job right.

[Bleucrunch]

That kind of tweet comes across as emotional and the apology afterwards comes across as weak stating "don't be tough on me just bad wording from a french speaking person." I am not even sure what that means.

[Antifan]

Well, it was scripted. Anyone that says it's not seriously needs to check their expectations at the door because you won't see those animations at launch.