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Tomb Raider Dev Calls Last Of Us Part II Gameplay Fake, Apologizes

Last of Us Part II gameplay was shown yesterday at Sony E3 2018 Conference, The Gameplay featured Ellie and it was pretty impressive. In my opinion, it was one of the best gameplay demos sony ever.

The Fans reception was good too…but Tomb Raider Dev on twitter called the gameplay “Fake” in a tweet. The Tweet was deleted but it’s internet and there is nothing that you can hide.

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Blastoise157d ago (Edited 157d ago )

I wouldn't pull at this thread if I were him xD

-Foxtrot157d ago

I mean he could do something more productive and make an actual Tomb Raider game instead of trying to make the franchise like other games. People can say what they want but the new Tomb Raider was heavily inspired by Uncharted and the Shadow of the Tomb Raider seemed it had learnt a thing or two off Last of Us...not saying the things they borrow were NaughtyDog "exclusive" features but it's clear they've been watching them closely while making the new Tomb Raider games

So yeah maybe he should just shut up, stop making bold claims and make an actual Tomb Raider game instead of LARA: First Blood Part III

Spurg157d ago

Oh...There you go with the Tomb raider argument again.
"...make an actual Tomb Raider game instead"
OMG please explain that. Do you want her to go to a tomb and raid it or something, the title isn't reflective of what a game should be.
"Uncharted and the Shadow of the Tomb Raider seemed it had learned a thing or two off Last of Us"
And the amount of times Uncharted copied ideas from tomb raider? I didn't know Last of us invented stealth gameplay.

The last of us 2 gameplay was a tab bit too scripted. The way everything was coming together felt too perfect and cinematic. The actual game isn't going to be as freeflow as this. Naughty dog hasn't been pioneers in gameplay they are actually average at best. Stories are their strong suit and I prefer the opening sequence where Ellie was interacting with the people in the party, that what makes last of us great.

xX-oldboy-Xx157d ago

Spurg - Yes, I want her to do that, like she would in the beginning.

ND are the best at the cinematic freeflow gameplay, remember when TLOU was shown and people said the same thing? Spoiler - they are still wiping egg off their faces.

Ceaser9857361157d ago

"Naughty dog hasn't been pioneers in gameplay they are actually average at best"

The lamest and most stupid comment I ever read..

I only agree with the scripted gameplay..

AspiringProGenji157d ago (Edited 157d ago )

''Naughty dog hasn't been pioneers in gameplay they are actually average at best. Stories are their strong suit and I prefer the opening sequence where Ellie was interacting with the people in the party, that what makes last of us great.''

then explain all the seamless action in gameplay in the Uncharted series and why TR tired to hard to pull that of... Explain TlOU multiplayer... I'll wait

joab777157d ago

Exactly. It’s like some random boxer watching Tyson in his prime and tweeting, “that wouldn’t knock me out!” Lmao!

The genius is this: the gameplay is so damn good that their nearest competitor thought it was fake. That speaks VOLUMES about ND.

-Foxtrot157d ago (Edited 157d ago )

@Spurg

"Do you want her to go to a tomb and raid it or something, the title isn't reflective of what a game should be"

Are you asking if I want Lara Croft to go on a globe trotting adventure to raid Tombs and temples in a Tomb Raider game? Urm...let me think...hmmm....YES

"OMG please explain that"

What I'd want from a Tomb Raider game

Lara Croft to look like Lara Croft...woman can look sexy and be a bad ass
A globe trotting adventure or a variety of locations across the world
Her dual pistols to be back
Enemies are mostly wildlife
Human enemies would crop up but she'd take them out non lethal if she has choice.
Tombs/Temples/Caves full of dangerous hazards
Traps scattered all over
Puzzles which could end your life if you aren't quick enough
Medkits to come back...a survival game with regen health...WHAAAA?
Better voice actresses...sorry but she's not convincing
Secrets to find
Save Crystals or a system like it
Find items across map, they are well hidden
Her acrobats and the like to return. Backflips...jump side to side.
Stop relying on massive set pieces which try too hard to put Uncharted to shame or something

I could go on.

Skull521157d ago

Looked real enough to me but Sony has faked gameplay in the past so it isn’t outside the realm of possibility that some of it is faked. Cocking that gun under the car seems suspicious but I guess we’ll find out.

SolidGear3157d ago

I actually enjoy the new Tomb Raider games.. I don't care for the old ones though

SuperSonic91157d ago (Edited 157d ago )

You know what, Fox... I have been controlling my rage against Tomb Raider since the reboot because it is super obvious they ripped off Uncharted in every possible way but this is it! They have crossed the line and I am crossing too.

They are so ungrateful to Naughty Dog.
I have followed Tomb Raider's history and Square Enix was very suspicious with their release dayes and delays. I have compared their "stolen"product to Naughty Dog's. And belieive you me ND is gonna exposed SE sooner of later for corporate theft.

TR chose to walk under the shadow of ND and now theu mad coz they cant get out of it.

Oh and SOTTR's ultra violent tone... guess where they got it from? This is why they tried to beat ND to it by announcing it before E3. Unfortunately they got exposed still.

I was right to boycott these suckers.

The heat is on!!!!

MuddyWaters157d ago

Not fake, it looked excellent. The only thing fake about it is how scripted and controlled of how it was demo'd.

uRaDecepticon157d ago

It looked average, so I wonder, why would he consider it fake.

Skull521157d ago

@SuperSonic91

You do realize Uncharted is a rip off of the Tomb Raider series don’t you?

It was called Male Tomb Raider for a reason...

-Foxtrot157d ago

@Skull521

Oh please that's what people said just because they were both adventure platforming games where the main character was a treasure hunter.

Tomb Raider was a third person platforming puzzle game with small shooting elements

Uncharted was a over the top third person action shooter platformer with small puzzle elements.

They stole more from Uncharted then Uncharted stole from them.

victorMaje157d ago

“LARA: First Blood Part III” 😂
Though I have nothing against Tomb Raider, it’s undeniable that without ND making Uncharted & The Last of Us Lara would’ve never made it back from her grave.
Anyone that says otherwise hasn’t been paying attention.
As for that TR dev, well...what Foxtrot said.

morganfell157d ago (Edited 157d ago )

"The last of us 2 gameplay was a tab bit too scripted. "

Obvious signs of someone that never played the first game. I had numerous sequences that played out, minus the new mechanics (prone, etc) that worked out in a similar fashion playing the original. And here is what makes it amazing. I could go back through those levels, try the same thing again and everything went slightly different but also beautifully and was able to kill everyone silently. Then the third time through I would go in and everything went to hell and the AI would kill me half way through in a ruthless and particularly personal manner.

TLOU is a beautiful brutal game and the reality you can conduct sequences just like this time and again are a matter of simple fact. Anyone that has ever played TLOU (Obvious you have not) immediately recognized the gameplay and it felt instantly familiar to them. Laughable that someone such as yourself posts such a purposeful and ill informed remark when there are a ton of Survivor Difficulty videos and Speed Runs from TLOU where people pull off great situational combat moments that are not scripted.

wd321157d ago (Edited 157d ago )

You know, I don't understand how this isn't an "actual Tomb Raider game", as people put it, what does that mean, exactly, I'm really curious.

Sevir157d ago

I really wish you'd leave this Make an Actual Tomb Raider game nonesense in 2011... Ok! This Tomb Raider Reboot is heads and shoulders better than that overly sexualized acrobatic nonesense of a game... It was only popular because the men they made the game capitalized on on sex appeal while merging it with pulp fiction... That Lara Croft had zero story or personality other than being a video game vixen. Tomb Raider and the sequel there of has made the franchise relevant... Who cares if it finds it's success in the similar catalogue of Uncharted...?

As for this Developer's comment on TLOU2... Poor taste. Everyone knows that ND games are true to form with their gameplay reveals... And this gameplay Seems iterative on the mechanics they've set up from the first game in the series through Uncharted 4. There's nothing fake about this.

Sevir157d ago

You know people love to levy "scripted" the linear game as if it's some negative... Um this is Naughty Dog we are talking about. This is a Sequel to the greatest Story Driven action game of the PS3/XB360 generation. The first game play reveal for the last of us was met by Xbox fans accusing them of the demo being "scripted" and the extended gameplay and everyone's own gameplay in that exact same section was different.

Since The Last of Us, Naughty Dog's confrontations in combat has always been approachable from multiple ways, and you saw that in every step of the play through, they simple CHOSE to play and confront those scenarios to demonstrate the new additions to the combat.

Ellie is smaller in frame than Joel so naturally she can squeeze through shelves to get the jump on her enemies, the hiding in grass was something they brought over from Uncharted 4. Her being pulled out from under the truck wouldn't have happened if she stayed in the grass. There are so many ways you could see where the player could have chose to attack any given situation... And you wanna come here and call this "scripted".

Fun fact... Games are scripted, every thing in reactions to how it's played, free flow and all is all scripted... There is no game experience that isn't scripted... So pipe down with this. It's not working. The demo is full of choices and I guarantee when they play the game or when you play this sequence again you will choose a different way to survive that section and it still wouldn't negate their original showcase because it will be different

Dirtnapstor157d ago (Edited 157d ago )

@Spurg
“Scripted gameplay”
Of course it was! Guarantee the individual who played that sequence did it over a thousand fold. You really think they would ‘wing’ a gameplay demo for E3?!
Hats off to ND. I’d be willing to bet the game will flow just a fluidly as presented. And no, ND will not be making a Sims game so you can slow dance with your partner.

PrematuaProcrastin8a157d ago

Uncharted borrowed HEAVILY from tomb raider first.

-Foxtrot156d ago (Edited 156d ago )

@Sevir

“I really wish you'd leave this Make an Actual Tomb Raider game nonesense in 2011... Ok! This Tomb Raider Reboot is heads and shoulders better than that overly sexualized acrobatic nonesense of a game... It was only popular because the men they made the game capitalized on on sex appeal while merging it with pulp fiction... That Lara Croft had zero story or personality other than being a video game vixen. Tomb Raider and the sequel there of has made the franchise relevant... Who cares if it finds it's success in the similar catalogue of Uncharted...?”

So basically I should shut up because you, A NON old classic TR fan likes the news ones better which aren’t TR games at heart. I mean your little rant just showed us that you don’t give a shit about the old games so yeah of course you hate me going on about it because I have a point and you wouldn’t want the series to revert into something you’ve never liked.

Drop it...don’t make out I’m in the wrong because you hate the old games

Typical new fans who only love an old franchise because its changed into something else.

badz149156d ago

THIS IS CLASSIC! it's like you're playing so good and dominating in multiplayer, people call you hacking.

Uken12156d ago

It looks like a Tech Demo, this will not be the final build. It won't look better than PC games, it will look good but ps4 can NOT produce better graphics than a high end PC. This is running on PC.

But it doesn't even matter because it will still look f***ing amazing.

Also I love how ya'll insult the developer like you know how to make games better than he does. I'm sure. He's right but it isn't good for him to be public saying it for legal reasons or keeping his job reasons.

@xX-oldboy-Xx
I do remember that, and I also remember that the graphics were downgraded. I also remember ND using Ellen Pages likeness and claiming they had no idea. And then they had to change it. So ND had egg on their face.

TedCruzsTaint156d ago

Oh hush. The Tomb Raider reboots are gems. Uncharted's formula, sure. Just done better in everything from the gunplay, to world traversal, puzzles, and character progression.

Babadook7156d ago (Edited 156d ago )

Yup. The Last of Us 2 is fake as fuck. Until a few years that is when Crystal Dynamics plays it and goes back to the drawing board. ;)

Imalwaysright156d ago (Edited 156d ago )

Here we go. The guy that knows nothing about TR talking about it.

"Tomb Raider was a third person platforming puzzle game with small shooting elements"

Utter bullshit and again proving that you know nothing about TR. TR has always been an action adventure franchise, emphasis on the word action. In fact it was a genre defining game and established many of the things we see in action adventure games today and this "small shooting elements" is hilarious. TR game had different weapons, different types of ammo and you literally finished them with hundreds of kills.

"They stole more from Uncharted then Uncharted stole from them"

LMAO. Lets see the things that TR had before Uncharted ever existing: platforming, climbing, exploration, puzzle solving, swimming, hand to hand combat, stealth, driving vehicles, set pieces, supernatural elements, hidden treasures, shooting enemies in the face and I could go on... Pretty much every core element that we see in Uncharted and it was TR that "stole"more from Uncharted? What a joke!

thisismyaccount156d ago

Wish someone would tweet that, it describes the series/reboot : Lara First Blood Part 3

horndog156d ago

You do know they tomb raider has been around longer than uncharted , right ?

I would say uncharted borrowed more from tomb raider . It goes back to the original PS where it had lots of success.

tontontam0156d ago

You do realize Uncharted is a rip off of the Tomb Raider series don’t you?

It was called Male Tomb Raider for a reason...

-I think you mean INDIANA JONES.

bluefox755156d ago

Would help if they made her a better character as well, she's just so dull and forgettable now. The old Lara was kinda cocky and sarcastic, which I liked.

tontontam0156d ago

You probably played TLOU on easy and ran around like an idiot

At first I thought it's way too scripted, but I remembered playing TLOU at grounded difficulty, I played so carefully perfect camera angles was necessary to make sure I'm not surrounded and I remember having playthroughs which are picture perfect you would think I directed my play through

I think they've done multiple playthroughs and it just turned out that the trailer they showed was the best.

Edito156d ago

I stopped playing Tomb Raider after Anniversary and the new one never got into me... For me it doesn't feel like Tomb Raider anymore.

I miss the loneliness of Tomb Raider The Last Revelation, Tomb Raider 3 in caves of Caliwa, London, Alexandria in Tomb Raider 4...

Those where good times.

UltraNova156d ago (Edited 156d ago )

About the whole "scripted" argument - if you made the game and knew every nook and cranny, enemy placement, environment cues etc etc wouldn't you be able to play any segment as good as we saw in that game play video? If we as the gamers went through the game or even one level multiple times wouldn't we be able to go through it with that ease?

To be frank, what I saw could very well be doable by anyone come release day. ND are that good so that level of cinematic gameplay is a totally reasonable expectation.

Edit: @spurg

Seriously know?

SuperSonic91156d ago

"Fake, eh?" Eidos should be directing that insult to Ubisoft not Naughty Dog.

Realms156d ago

ND got them shooked they better step their game up if they are going to be making stupid comments like that on twitter. Instead of elevating their game nope it's fake because we can't pull it off with Tomb Raider. That is why they are not on ND level they are too busy worrying about the competition to better their own game.

-Foxtrot156d ago (Edited 156d ago )

@Imalwaysright

LOL..."knows nothing about TR"

With 149 Agrees and people agreeing in the comments, I think it shows a little that I know a lot more then you

You know...the same guy who just HAS to reply to my TR posts and says the same thing over and over

"bu bu but Foxtrot the old Tomb Raider games ARE 100% EXACTLY LIKE the new ones, there's been no changes, it's always been like that"

Wrong...wrong...and wrong

Keep telling you this but you obviously just don't get it. As a TR fan, who actually played and like the old games, I know what I'm talking about

Imalwaysright156d ago (Edited 156d ago )

"With 149 Agrees and people agreeing in the comments, I think it shows a little that I know a lot more then you"

LMAO pathetic even more so when you're replying to someone that has been coming to this website for more than 10 years and knows very well how things are around here.

"You know...the same guy who just HAS to reply to my TR posts and says the same thing over and over"

Says the troll that feels the need to spout the same bullshit at every chance he gets.

"Keep telling you this but you obviously just don't get it. As a TR fan, who actually played and like the old games, I know what I'm talking about"

And yet you said that TR games were platformers so who exactly are you trying to fool? Enough with the bullshit. You didn't even know that TR has been an action adventure game from the get go. In fact a pioneer in the genre that dictated many of the things in the action adventure genre today and look, you can't even counter the things I said wich btw happens EVERY single time when I lay down the facts about the franchise because you know nothing about it after the original TR... oh wait not even that and you call yourself a fan? Platformer. What a joke.

The Wood156d ago (Edited 156d ago )

All inspired by Indiana Jones

the reboot is blatantly inspired by naughty dogs games. I have zero issue with that. My only issue is the dev taking shots like the side chick looking at dude with his family in the park. I notice only Sevir addressed both issues here when I skimmed the comments. . The rest of the guys. . . 'Noticeably Xbox owners' focus on what game inspired what but ignore the dumb comments towards a dev that has done very well in the genre. .or am I just imagining things?

Despite that I like the modernisation or Lara. . She's grown up and more fleshed out. . Sometimes things just have to move on or become stale like tr before the reboot. I understand Fox's complaints about the gameplay also as it is becoming more naughty dog than origin so for a dev to say what he said seems sooo butt hurt and ungrateful.

mochachino156d ago

The Tomb Raider origin games have been awesome and are some of the best third person action/story games available.

Think what you want from the devs comment regarding TLOU2; it's in very poor taste to criticize a competitor in a such a manner. But the past two Tomb Raider games have been pretty amazing. I'm very happy the series was resurrected and the origin angle was part of that.

TallonIV156d ago

Yeah how about you stick to the article instead of hating on the person?

The gameplay shown of TLoU2 was fake in a sense because there were parts during the demo that you or I will not be experiencing in the final version of the game. They obviously did it to make it more cinematic looking. If you don't know what I'm talking about watch whenever Ellie interacted with the enemies.

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naruga157d ago (Edited 157d ago )

i m with him tbh ...it had extraordinary AI and gameplay to be true...ND did it again with 1st LoUS

xX-oldboy-Xx157d ago

Get ready to be wrong, ND are the best at these types of games and this is the natural evolution/progression of the genre.

Have some faith - it's ND after all.

Ceaser9857361157d ago

The AI will be extraordinary this time and its confirmed..

SAFYIIR157d ago

Tomb Raiders devs are undercover in this thread lol

Razzer157d ago

The end result was a game too good to be true. Expect more of the same from the best damn developer in gaming.

rainslacker157d ago

I am curious why people keep doubting ND. I can't think of an instance since last gen where they haven't delivered what they showed. UC4 had some changes to the graphics which could be said to be downgraded,but other things were made batter in the process, giving a better overall picture. Other than that, everything that's been shown by them for quite some time has been actual game play demos. I can't see why they'd change that up now. that seemed like an actual level in the game....although I'm sure the staging to get into it is much different than being some flashback while getting it on at a community dance.

SuperSonic91157d ago

To all clueless Uncharted haters before you spew lies about Uncharted copying Tomb Raider on PSOne .... the Jak and Daxter trilogy would luke to have a word with you geniuses. Uncharted DF was basically Jak and Daxter 3 with an actual human insted of cartoon characters.

boing1156d ago

But this exactly it. You saw it and I saw it. What makes you think it is fake? How many times ND lied to us with fake gameplay, hm? How many times ND game didn't look or played as advertised?

Edito156d ago

I think we are all grown ups, we all know that there are small aspects that can differ from the gameplay trailer to the retail version of the game, a gameplay trailer is still a ideal vision, a closer vision to reality of the game it may end up not being exactly like the game play trailer but please don't call it fake because we all know that it will be 90% close to what they showed...

Make sure everyone buy the game and witness the master piece that this game will be.

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super_bruno157d ago (Edited 157d ago )

Demo wasn't fake, it was scripted. He should have used other set of words.

Chevalier157d ago

Or he should be more professional. Language is definitely a barrier, but, tons of people in Montreal know english its pretty easy to talk to someone he works with or translator or heck even use Google to translate. Way to backtrack.

AlphaCentyros157d ago

Is it confirmed that it was scripted though?

Concertoine156d ago (Edited 156d ago )

Knowing ND, the game will look better when it hits shelves than it ever does at E3.

boing1156d ago

People said exactly the same thing when they showed gameplay of first LoU. Scripted!! And it wasn't.

seanpitt23156d ago (Edited 156d ago )

Yes it was scripted but it looked that good and blew people minds you just can't not think it's fake but with naughty dog you just know it's the real deal... Wow they are something else.

TallonIV156d ago

How is scripted not fake? They're implying that is how we will be playing the game when in actual fact it's not.

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GTgamer157d ago

He just mad that last of us 2 made tomb raider look outdated ashell.

Uken12156d ago

No, it's clearly running on PC. Maybe he is salty. But anyone can tell it isn't going to be the final build. Only a fanboy would think so. PS4 is not better than a high end PC. I hate to break it to you. It will still look amazing regardless. Most games on ps4 look great. So who cares.

Jinger156d ago

Tomb raider has the better and more varied gameplay mechanics however.

UCForce156d ago (Edited 156d ago )

@Jinger Oh really ? The story of Tomb Raider reboot wasn’t amazing to be honest. Lara Croft just complaining all days and nights. Even Atreus and Ellie were a child but their development naturally grow and better than Lara Croft.

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Thatguy-310157d ago

I understand his jealousy. Must be hard living under Naughty Dog's shadow. Poor poor man. All Tomb Raider is known for with the recent installments is for being a poor man's Uncharted.

kneon157d ago (Edited 157d ago )

The last TR was rather dull, it was a bit of a slog to get to the end. And then it ends with a terrible boss fight. It seems that they wanted to have a cinematic boss fight with ( i don't remember his name) so they forced you to kill him in exactly the way they wanted. Meanwhile, I'm there repeatedly bashing him in the head for 5 minutes with an ice ax while he just stood there and took it without even firing a shot, finally I figured out what it was they wanted.

Worst boss fight ever.

nix156d ago

I had the 1st reboot game via Plus, I just couldn't get in the game. Then few months later again I gave it a try. Nope just couldn't.

Somehow I think I love the old TR. It was highly sexualized person but it was at least fun to play that game. And nothing wrong in being sexy and bad ass. I would love to love TR again if they bring back the sexiness and the essence from the old game.

rainslacker157d ago

This will be his third statement about other games, and implying that his game is so much better, and somehow revolutionary. Each time, all I can think of is how derivative his own work has been, and how he's trying to make his game seem more progressive because Lara is a woman, and never actually acknowledges that she's not that strong of a character.

-Foxtrot157d ago (Edited 157d ago )

What else has he said about other games ?

HaveAsandwich156d ago

The first trailer for last of us was BS. That's why he's saying this is fake. Watch the first footage shown from the original game. It's absolute BS.