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GOTY Winner 2017: Did Zelda Deserve to Take The Game Awards Title?

David and Rossco look at the GOTY winner 2017 and the nominations from The Game Awards as Game N Respawn debate Zelda taking the title. Did it deserve to win ahead of the competition from the other nominations?

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-Foxtrot2328d ago

Not really. If it had to be a Nintendo game I thought Super Mario Odyssey was beautifully done and way more deserving.

Just felt like it relied on the Zelda name first and then the actual game second.

Neonridr2328d ago

Zelda was more grand at the end of the day. It has a more sweeping story and felt dramatic. Mario is a blast, don't get me wrong and it's how you do platforming. But Zelda was just epic.

my opinion of course, so take it with a grain of salt.

Lightning Mr Bubbles2328d ago (Edited 2328d ago )

Yes, I have to say it did. It was the best game this year. Got to give it it's due. I predicted it would win because it was the best game this year and if it didn't, there would of been something wrong with the awards.

The only argument was maybe Horizon Zero Dawn, I think that game was great also and if Zelda didn't win, then it would of been Horizon, that's the only argument I can see. But in the end, I still give the edge to Zelda.

Neonridr2328d ago (Edited 2328d ago )

@Lightning - it was a fabulous year between Horizon and Uncharted on the PS4 and Zelda and Mario on the Switch. This doesn't exclude all the other amazing games both consoles received as well.

deafdani2328d ago (Edited 2328d ago )

Oh don't worry, Foxtrot has plenty of salt to take your opinion with. XD XD XD

mikeslemonade2327d ago

Zelda wins by default. Yes it's an overrated Nintendo game where you played mini dungeons and ran/climbed most of the time, but there was nothing else better.

NecrumOddBoy2327d ago

Zelda's story was sweeping???

What story? Defeat Ganon? Help... Zelda's trapped in the Castle? Can you recover the lost memories of walking around and listening to your dead friend's bad dialog? The story wasn't good.

120 Puzzle Shrine levels and 900 Hidden Seeds... Sounds like this could have been an iPhone game.

Oh wait the dugeons... Oh there is none.

The bosses? Oh you mean the same shadow Ganon 4 times with no real difference?

Side quests! Or fetch quests which leads to nothing but weak potions or rupees.

I will say the climbing, physics and Shrine side quests are great. The cooking is absolutely awesome but needed a cook book. I will say the SOTC way to get into The Beasts were also pretty epic, but the game is all surface and no real meat.

But that is it. This game was repetitive and lacks the heart of better Zelda games. No worthy weapons, spells, items, or anything memorable. BOTW will never come close to any other Zelda except maybe Z2, SS, or the CD-i games.

This whole game is all about fetch quest in your way to get enough hearts and stamina to complete the one mission that matters...

_-EDMIX-_2327d ago (Edited 2327d ago )

Of course more buzzwords and more immeasurable features.

Be like "I think Ghost Recon deserve to win game of the year because I mean it was more Grand and more Epic"

@nec-exactly my biggest problem is they are absolutely roasted Dragon Age Inquisition for having so much filler Quest yet Zelda has this ridiculous amount of filler content with those stupid seeds

I mean by that logic we should be giving Assassin's Creed game of the year because those dumb Flags or Birds you collect lol

One of the things I find so hilarious is that most Nintendo gamers are scared to specifically say any actual real reason why the game should have been such a prestigious award a lot of it is stupid a measurable features like epic or grand or their emotions while playing the game no one is actually able to say any future inside of the game that is some sort of brand new mechanic.

It's not the first open world game
it's not the first game you could climb in it's not the first time you had a game where you could make food or other elements by this Logic No Man's Sky Minecraft and a whole bunch of games should be winning these Awards.

Ironically enough the majority of the crappy see from breath of the wild has been completely ripped off from the Assassin's Creed series so if they love those games so much I believe Nintendo Gamers should be playing Assassin's Creed lol

But I guess you have to slap Nintendo on there and change the character to link for them to realize it's a good game. Be like "the magical scale and epicness of Link being in Egypt is beyond Epic derrrrrr GOTY"

LOL

At the end of the day Nintendo bought Game of the Year this year they likely have a bunch of backdoor deals with these journalist.

mikeslemonade2327d ago

^Yea it's nintendo fan servicing. A 97 meta on nintendo switch is actually only like a 91 on current gen systems.

And Dragon Age Inquistion won many goty awards over Bayo 2, Mario 3d land, and Smash despite those nintendo games having a higher meta score.

Sono4212327d ago

"It has a more sweeping story and felt dramatic"

What?.... it had no story... simply "Gannon is bad.. Gannon is back... beat him pls." There is almost no context given other than a tiny bit in the memories spread throughout the world. In what way shape or form is that a story? Storytelling is all but absent, you get more context in Super Mario Odyssey and I think we can all agree that isn't a story driven game, but that's okay. That isn't what it's going for, Mario Odyssey is all about the brilliantly layed out levels and player freedom on how to beat them. In essence that is also what breath of the wild tries to do but it doesn't come near the level of perfection of Mario Odyssey. BotW has many flaws, Odyssey does not. Mario Odyssey rewards you for thinking outside the box and doing incredibly tricky jumps to get to places you would think you aren't even meant to be, Breath of the wild slaps you in the face for even just exploring it's world giving you nothing over and over and over again. Anyone saying Zelda deserved it over Mario Odyssey simply didn't play both games, or is such a Zelda fanboy they look over all it's many flaws and just repeat the same nonsense over and over again "Brilliant design" "Reinvents open world games" even though both of those statements are false and Mario Odyssey is light years ahead of BotW in terms of design. That isn't an opinion that's a fact.

Neonridr2326d ago

@EDMIX - please, enlighten us with your Zelda and Mario expertise. Tell me how many hours you logged in either game?

No offense dude, but you having an opinion about whether Zelda or Mario deserved the GOTY more is laughable at best. You don't own a Switch, you didn't play either game. Give it up. Your "opinions" mean absolutely nothing because you have zero experience. I mean how can you say that one game was better or worse than the other when you have no idea yourself?

See I actually own a PS4. I play Horizon and Uncharted.. I can actually make those comparisons because I know what all 4 games played and felt like.

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Neonridr2328d ago

as far as Zelda games go, no Zelda game in recent history was as different or took as many risks as BoTW did either. This game was more like the original on NES. Come out of a cave, opening title. Figure out where to go and what to do.

I mean did you prefer Mario over Zelda because of the gameplay? Both were beautiful in their own right.

Sono4212327d ago (Edited 2327d ago )

I prefer Mario over Zelda because the game has less flaws than BotW. BotW is riddled with flaws from beginning to end, the game was built on flawed design. Mario Odyssey is brilliantly laid out from start to finish. Every inch of every world is thought out with meticulous detail making a very seamless and flawless experience, truly a masterpiece. The same cannot be said for BotW. That game smacks you in the face for exploring, all you ever find is the same exact 3 things, korrok seeds, spirit orbs, and the same random items spread throughout the map... so exciting. Especially when compared to previous Zelda's where you would spend the game building link's arsenal up, getting new (actually useful) abilities. None of that happens in BotW. The game is hollow beginning to end. Then there's always a chance for things to get exciting, like the labyrinths, then what do you find at the middle... JUST ANOTHER SHRINE, i've seen a million of these things already and they are all set to the difficulty level for a 5 year old. Every single time you think you are about to find something interesting and actually be rewarded you are greeted with another shrine, another weapon that will break 3 enemies later, and another orb which you need 3 more of just to increase your hearts by one.... could you put me to sleep any faster? It discourages me from exploring every single time. Same with the divine beasts, only one of the did I actually have to sit and think about it for a bit. But I will say that at least two of the divine beasts were brilliantly laid out, sure still easy, but at least you could tell there was a lot of thought put into the designs. Then all of the "abilities" you get from the divine beasts are simply handicaps that make an already easy game even easier, it's like they were trying to put me to sleep.

Neonridr2326d ago

@Sono - don't get me wrong, I love both games and both have their reasons. I just think Zelda was a little more story driven. I know you don't agree and will go on length talking about the games bugs and flaws. But critics and users seem to agree that it was an amazing game.

Sure the game has areas that can be improved, but that's where a future installment will take what made BoTW great and build on areas that it maybe lacked in. I loved that weapons had durability, but it would have been nice to be able to repair those items instead of losing them forever. The point to exploring was to find the shrines to increase your hearts or agility though. You sort of had to explore the map if you wanted to max out your hearts.

I did miss the conventional dungeons though, and hope they go back to those. I agree that the powers gained from each dungeon just felt sort of thrown in and definitely made it harder to die for example.

TallonIV2328d ago

Super Mario Odyssey while fantastic was kind of more of the same (in a good way.) With BOTW however, Nintendo took huge risks changing the formula and it paid off. Redefining the open world genre is no easy feat and don't be surprised if you see games in the future copying BOTW's formula. That's why I believe the right game won.

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madforaday2328d ago

@Loveable

It didn't redefine open world games at all, it just excelled in everything besides story. The same concept can be said with Horizon Zero Dawn, it didn't redefine the genre, it just excelled in every category including story. If I told you I want a great open world game with a story. You would pick games like Witcher 3 and Horizon, Zelda won't be said at all. The word Zelda and Mario goes a LONG LONG way for their games. I see so many reviewers shit on other games for certain things. When a Nintendo game comes along with one of those words in it, the reviewer forgets about it. Lastly, with all that said, the new Zelda and Mario games are AMAZING, don't want people to think I didn't like them. You talked about risks and I personally believe what GG did was a MUCH bigger risk than what the developers did for Zelda. The word Zelda is in the game, people are going to buy it no matter what compared to a new IP.

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HaveSumNuts2328d ago

Zelda totally deserves it because Nintendo been f'ing up for like a decade since the Wii came out and they finally made a console and game that's decent. Nintendo like the slow kid in class that just picked up his hand and answered the question correct 1st time ever. Teacher and the other students shocked, people start clapping and shit. Well of course Xbox / Playstation have been at the top but heyyyy...... Nintendo actually did something right so let them have it.

balance2theforce2327d ago (Edited 2327d ago )

Hahaha, Nintendo has made more classics than both of those guys combined bruh. And I don't believe they've had a game ever read is Holly at some of Nintendo's. Don't worry though, more and more people are getting tired of the agenda here and becoming more aware of thr fact that if it isn't a certain box round here you guys are always going to hate. And if some of the out-of-the-blue PM's I've gotten are any indication folks are beginning to have a laugh at you boys being bitter and spewing dat sodium every time Zelda or anything not pro you know who is mentioned.

Just look at da whining and excuses here. The media is biased! The awards are rigged! Sounds like another windbag out there. From some of the first posts on down, it's been whining (still), bitterness and ongoing hate. And not going to lie, it's great seeing that much effort. As the more these people post, the more you see that it really has them hurt! 😆🤣🤣

showtimefolks2328d ago

fox couldn't agree more and just look at your disagrees. people can't accept the fact this zelda game that they waited years for wasn't as good as past zelda games

nintendo games are reviewed with a soft spot in reviewers hearts so most of the times they will get better review scores

deafdani2328d ago

So, you and Foxtrot and a few other select privileged individuals are right, while the rest of the gaming population and critics (say, about 95%) are wrong.

Gotcha.

Lovable2328d ago

@deafdani

Man stay true to your name.

Neonridr2328d ago

sales and reviews indicate otherwise showtimefolks.

Lovable2328d ago

Kek @ Sales = Quality argument..

Imalwaysright2328d ago (Edited 2328d ago )

People are allowed to disagree especially when they are disagreeing with a troll. Also no one has to accept how you perceive this game and I have no idea why you think anyone should. The rest of your comment is just more of the unsubstantiated nonsense that I'm used to seeing from ps fanboys that don't like the fact that BOTW outscored every sony game this generation.

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showtimefolks2328d ago

DEAF

like i said in my other comments goty awards are subjective. rest of the gaming or the select few(your words) who actually review it? how many sites are there that actually count with metacritic

one again as someone who didn't like this zelda i am wrong for not liking it but could it be to me atleast it was a great experience, now let me rephrase it it was an above average 8.5 to 9/10 type experience. i guess 9/10 is me hating and i should be called names or worst

when did 9./10 become so bad

neo:

please don't make the sales argument as other games sold much much better

zacfoldor

i don't think reviewers gave a game that deserved 4/10 out of 10 a perfect score because of nintendo. let's say a game made by nintendo is closer to 8.5 to 9/10 they will have no problem pushing it to a perfect score. in no way shape or form is zelda BOTW a bad game it's actually a great game i personally just don't think it's 10/10 type experience. once again just my opinion

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Imalwaysright2328d ago (Edited 2328d ago )

Says the troll that was trolling and downplaying BOTW before its release date. You even got to the point of claiming that the developers that were praising the game were lying (yeah I remember that as well and don't try to deny it) such is the buthurt that the game has caused you. Let the buthurt flow through you.

Neonridr2328d ago

I keep asking Fox how many hours they have logged in both games to understand their point of view but they keep ignoring my questions. Fox, do you even own a Switch and both games?

Imalwaysright2327d ago

His point of view was set in stone well before he played the game if he played it at all.

rainslacker2327d ago

I feel it's about as deserving as any of the other nominated titles.

CaptainObvious8782327d ago

Don't bother anyone trying to point out the obvious flaws and double standards of zelda to ninty fans. You'd have an easier time explaining quantum dynamics to a cow...

Imalwaysright2327d ago

So you're just going to act like a pompous ass? Here was I expecting you to tell people that played the game what they should and shouldn't like about it and what games they thought were better this year.

Segata2327d ago

If Foxtrot can link a screenshot uploaded form his Switch of Link naked in Goron city with four weapons on the ground and using the in system text editing on the pic that says "Foxtrots Zelda pic" and dates it. Only then will I believe he has played the game.

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gangsta_red2328d ago

I haven't played the game but it sure did receive a lot of perfect scores and tons of praise.

Not to mention...some friends I talk with who have played the game have all said they loved it and it's one of the best games they played this year.

It definite must have when I eventually get a Switch.

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sammarshall1022328d ago

From what I hear, it deserved to win

TallonIV2328d ago

The game is a masterpiece, so yes.

Sgt_Slaughter2328d ago

From what I've seen people have been more critical of BotW and not even in a necessary way, only that it's Zelda.

LordoftheCritics2328d ago (Edited 2328d ago )

Every other game of the year nominee had so much generic going for them but yet people here will only nitpick Zelda.

Regardless, it will win everywhere.

OoglyBoogly2327d ago

Every other game? How was BOTW not just as generic if we want to go there? How is Horizon any more or less "generic" than Zelda? All BOTW did was take things other games have been doing for YEARS and applied it to a Zelda game. Cool, totally different and unique from every other open world game except it's not.

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F1 Arcade Opens In Boston

This reminds me of Gameworks and sounds really fun. F1 Arcade (F1Arcade.com/us/), the world’s first premium F1 entertainment experience, today opened its first US location in Boston Seaport.

DefenderOfDoom25h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Cool , only a 20 minute ride for me. I am going to check it out . I hope they have a lot of retro Arcade cabinets. Now that Mary Jane is legal in Massachusetts it would been awesome if they served Edibles at the bar also. I once played music and promoted a EA Madden tournament at a nightclub in Greater Boston in 2003 . Only problem is hardly anybody drank booze because between games most of the crowd would just go out to there car and smoke weed . So it would be awesome if they got a weed license to at least serve Edibles.

Garethvk2h ago

I think they would likely want to stay clear of that until they are more established.

People will tolerate Alcohol but will have a different take on edibles and such as they are trying to push a family friendly atmosphere I am sure.

SonyStyled2h ago

I’m in the metrowest area. I’ll have to check this out too

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The Epic Games Store Has Two More Freebies this Week

It's time to add two more games to your library for free from the Epic Games Store.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv725d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle4d ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18814d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio4d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning774d ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga4d ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv723d ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer19923d ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21834d ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga4d ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan4d ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit3d ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus234d ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv724d ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier3d ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan3d ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple1014d ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos4d ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-4d ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac4d ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1014d ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic4d ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead4d ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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