Is The Xbox One Irrelevant?

Alex S. from Link-Cable writes: "These days it seems like gamers everywhere are either talking about the PlayStation 4 and its great lineup of upcoming games or the Nintendo Switch, and how it’s going to pull Nintendo out of the dark days of the Wii U-era.Both these systems are dominating game-related headlines and are definitely occupying that so very important ‘top of mind’ spot in gaming circles."

[masterfox]

That question should be pointed to MS itself.

[Overload]

The Xbox One isn't irrelevant, but Xbox is not as relevant as they could have been once upon a time.

But it is all their own fault, they have made terrible choices all generation and the end of last generation.

[kenwonobi]

They could be more relevant if they didn't just rely on only their same exclusives. Gears, Halo, Forza, Dead Rising. They could change it up and release those plus gain one or two exclusives. That would put them in a better place. However it was also early release mistakes like Kinect and pricing.

[RosweeSon]

Coasting and cruise control will do this why do they need to bother when people will pay them money each year to get online regardless.

[yeahright2]

Thing is xbox brought us Halo, 360 brought us Gears and solidified forza, X1 should have brought us an action adventure game to compete with uncharted but instead they tried to buy tomb raider.
Granted with the likes of quantum break and recore and such, they've been trying, But I think there's a two fold problem there, one those games just plain aren't as good as Sony's offerings (based on commercial and critical reception) and compounded by xbox gamers being a little lukewarm on titles outside of the halo/gears/forza formula

[stuna1]

My take is the Xbox 1 is not as relevant as it should be and that is due to Microsoft's inability to micromanage their consoles.

What I mean in "Micro Managing" their consoles, take the Original Xbox for example; Sure it came into an era where Sony was the dominant console, and Nintendo had a sizable fanbase, but when Microsoft saw the obstacles in front of them they elected to instead drop a fanbase of millions to try to reset the generation! Even though they had been out the shortest period of time of the three.

Microsoft launches the Xbox 360 almost a year and a half earlier in parts of the world ahead of Sony, and what many fail to mention also the WII. As long as Microsoft felt that they had the edge over Sony there was very little talk of a next generation console. Even though the WII left both Sony and Microsoft in the dust as far as console sales were concerned, the WII was considered a non-issue. As soon as Sony started gaining momentum in Worldwide sales, and slimming down the lead drastically, then this is when we started hearing rumors of Microsoft's next generation console, but what Microsoft didn't even expect was Sony was ready this time! Contrary to what many were trying to say "Sony can't afford to come out with a powerful and competent console! They're broke!"

So of course that helped to proliferate the ideal that Microsoft's Xbox 1 was going to be noticeably more powerful than Sony could even hope to offer. There were even some stating the WII U was even going to be more powerful than the PS4. How did that turn out? Lol

Now after Microsoft launches the Xbox S to compete with the Original PS4, they've completely abandoned the Original Xbox to pursue their endeavors with Scorpio, but in the face of all this, people that are looking should be able to see the exact scenario that took place with the Original Xbox unfolding now.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Agreed. Xbox certainly isn't irrelevant, but it is becoming less and less relevant with the poor leadership and lack of quality exclusives.

[Tumaras]

What few exclusives Xbox has have been greatly disappointing this gen. Gears, Halo, Dead Rising have all been underwhelming both in gameplay and sales. Recore was awful. Halo Wars 2 looks ok, but it's more of a B title and not a real Halo fps release. And Forza Horizon 3 was good, but it's popularity fizzled pretty quickly. More importantly, Halo Wars 2 and Forza Horizon 3 you can play on PC (in higher res too) and don't even need an XB1 for. I don't really count timed exclusives either like Tomb Raider. There are so many games out today that it was easy enough to wait and play other games until it was out on PS4 and PC. Microsoft tried hard with Quantum Break at least, but it was really more of an interactive movie than game. It also showed where MSFT is off-base, more worried about marketing and a game looking nice in an E3 presentation than fun gameplay. They have to get back to focusing on good exclusives with real gameplay. Hire some gamers, pull back some people that worked on earlier Xboxes, maybe find people that worked on older consoles like Dreamcast. A nice E3 presentation or picture on a box that's a snoozefest to play doesn't fool gamers anymore.

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

Still, the answer would be YES!

[butchertroll]

Well, the Xbox brand is already irrelevant outside of US/UK/Latin America.

Dude, MS sold 35 Xbones last week in Japan compared to 35k PS4s

[conanlifts]

I do not live in any of those countries and it is not irrelevant here.

[Bathyj]

The article makes a lot of good points . sadly everyone will only react to the title.

[Major_Glitch]

Dear MS,
So...what happened to all that "cloud Powerz" talk? What happened with Kinect? How many units did Tomb Raider move? And you wonder why the Xbone is irrelevant?

[IamTylerDurden1]

It's a VERY valid point. What happened to all the power of the cloud and Dx12 talk? It's funny bc now is exactly when it SHOULD be bearing fruit, but instead Microsoft has gone radio silent bc in actuality it turned out to be just a bunch of empty hype. Wasn't esram supposed to be a secret sauce? Now it appears that Scorpio will not even have esram. It's things like this that have turned gamers off to Microsoft and hurt their relevancy.

[sourcewop]

lol :p

[joab777]

Good point actually! And they have made themselves irrelevant. And it comes down to new IPs. Last gen they won everyone over with GoW and Mass Effect and Summer Arcade, Xbox Live etc. They were where shooters were played!

Now, you can play their sequels on PC, and everything else on Sony and PC. I wonder is this Play Anywhere thing is the beginning to their stake in PC gaming for the future. Because it hurts Xbox. They could have been Steam had they the foresight. Hell, they coulda been Sony this gen with foresight.

Again, it comes down to games. And PC and the PS4 have them in spades this year. If the Scorpio is gonna sell at all, MS will need something to push it.

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

And the answer would still be no.

[butchertroll]

LOL at disagree votes where i mentioned that Xbone is dead in Europe outside UK . Some people should go back to reality.

[CocoaBrother]

Not to my friends or me since we play almost daily together.

Multiplayer gaming is strong on Xbox just like single-player games are strong on PS4. The Wii U has/had local multiplayer games.
Those are my opinions on the consoles' strengths since those are how I use each system personally.

[Kingthrash360]

You dont own a ps4 do you.
MP is just as lively as SP. There are more online players on the ps4 that there is on xbo. Playstation is more diverse so naturally it's has both. If you are talking about exclusives mp vs sp well then then the ps4 has more mp games in that regard too. Uncharted, killzone, SFV, driveclub, MLB the show, Paragon,planet side 2, king of fighters, guilty gear, the last of us, marvel vs Sf 3....are just a few that have populated MP experiences.
MS is forcing games to be mp...like they did scalebound which led to its cancellation. Gotta keep your subscription going so they are forcing games to have MP.

[CocoaBrother]

Seriously? Look at my past comments on how excited I have been waiting for Gravity Rush 2 or how proud I am for getting platinum in various games with Bloodborne, Velocity 2x, and Digimon being my proudest, or how my friend and I downloaded the NiOh demo and passed the controller back and forth to play. Hell, I'm currently going through World of Final Fantasy, Gravity Rush 2, and Uncharted 4 with God Eater 1&2 on my backlog while waiting for Digimon: Next Order to ship to my house in a few days.

Why would I care if there are more online players on PS4 if my friends play on Xbox One? I would rather play with my friends than random people; personal preference.

Don't pull your fanboy crap on me. I own all systems and have my own personal preference on which system I play certain games on.

[Kingthrash360]

Wasn't fanboy crap...I corrected your incorrect statement. The way you talk it's like you don't own a ps4. You spoke on a universal question and answered according to what you think in your gaming space. It's like you said about the wiiu...if the question was 'is the wiiu irrelevant ' would you have said no because it has a local mp strength? If so then you didn't answer the question.
Fact of the matter is the wiiu is irrelevant now because of the switch and the fact that zelda is its last game.
As far as xbox goes it's not irrelevant because games will still be made for it. The scorpio is supposed to be just an upgrade....that's me answering the question. ...not putting my own opinion to answer the question.
Wasn't fanboy sh** at all bro slice. Relax.
I was just saying you must not own a ps4 to know about its strength in mp. If you only use if for sp then do so...but it has nothing to do with the question.
Stay on topic and you won't get corrected.
Not everything is fanboy hooplaa

And I also own all consoles all handhelds. I ain't no fanboy. I could care less about how you game.

[jmetalhead77812]

It's so irrelevant that dozens of haters come on practically every Xbox article to post negative comments. Yes, it's "losing" the console war(whatever the hell that means), but 10's of millions people game on Xbox. So, to answer a stupid question? Yes, it's relevant

[Yohshida]

Of COURSE their are more ppl playing online. It sold twice as much.... If the numbers would be even, trust me PS4 would be behind big time. Yet you only get 3. Party MP games and not the best of the best in Racing, FPS and 3. Person shooters. If you are fine with that, go ahead and have fun.

[Kingthrash360]

Kingthrash-PSN
Kingthrash360-XBL
Kingthrash-nintendo
Feel free to look Me up.
I even got a steam account with a few games...but I'm no pc gamer. Not yet anyway

[Kingthrash360]

Lol exposed? I bought xbo for qb...how long did I play it? How long did I play ori?.. in fact on of my youtube vid I show the wiiu and xbo.
I can't help that I'm no halo fan. I've said this time and time again. Yeah I barley play the xbox all of my friends are on ps4....yet I STILL said it wasn't irrelevant.
The xbox needs new ips to interest me...period. I have all consoles so if the other consoles have more new compelling games that I like they get more time.
...exposed? Lol feel free to expose me I said I'm no halo fan and still bought the game. That's how much I wanted to dust off the xbox and play it.

[kenwonobi]

PS4 has the largest online gaming community. I'm pretty sure that's true by just the sheer size of the community alone.

[IamTylerDurden1]

It's not a hard concept. Mp is bigger on PS4 bc PS4 is trouncing xbone in sales. If xbone was selling better then mp would be bigger on xbox.

[DashArrivals]

OMG. Where do you get this crap. Multiplayer is friggin' REALLY STRONG on PS4.

You xbox fans seem to think that multiplayer on PS4 is bad or does not exist. IT'S A FALLACY. It's bloody really really strong and works well. Take your head out of your A...s

[CocoaBrother]

I never said it was bad, where did you even get that from? I do play games online with the PS4, I simply said I play Xbox One online more cause my friends do; that's it. Never once did I say it wasn't strong or have less players; you guys took my opinion as some sort of insult against the PS4 when it wasn't in the slightest.

@GTgamer
If you play PC or PS4 online more, power to you. I used to game a lot of PC years ago but stopped cause none of my friends played anymore. I continue to play online with Xbox One and PS4 cause that's where my friends are. Hell, I even played Wii U online with Monster Hunter 3 for a long time cause my friends played.

Once again, personally speaking, I like to play with my friends than with randoms online; that's it. .

[GTgamer]

"I simply said I play Xbox One online more cause my friends do" are you serious right I could say the same thing in terms of the Ps4 or Pc I play online almost everyday on PS4 and I do Love SP games when I owned a Xbox 360 nothing was different my level of online play didn't change So I will never understand why you guys think theirs some difference, it's idiotic.

[xMANB3ARP1G]

they cant bro its firmly planted. also, live is all they have left anymore they have to cling to something. that said Xbox freebies mostly destroy ps plus games.i had a Xbox one for a year or 2 for halo mcc 5 and waiting for crackdown as less got said about crack down I sold my Xbox but the games I got in that year and never played meant when I got my one s I had an instant library of games without paying for live again. honestly, the worse part still has to be scalebound I was looking forward to that and 2 days after I picked up my one s it got canceled
bg116 whatever bro ill just go back to playing my games and there was no lie in my statement learn to read idiot not once did I say I was playing Xbox one or Xbox 360 games I got from gold again Xbox tools like to make shit up.

[InTheLab]

That's a last gen way of thinking and it was wrong last gen on ps3 as well

[kenwonobi]

It was free. That's what made PS3 so awesome. It's so easy to just not pay. Then insert games and start playing.

[DragonDDark]

Then why Does the PS4 have bigger numbers of active players in multiplats like BF1/CoD/R6S?

[korgun]

Get Ballmer back

[kstuffs]

Yet they spent show much money developing BC and constantly making updates to the software. They spent all that money to put Windows 10 on it so that it can run UWP games and apps. And then spend all that money putting in HDMI in, IR out, 4K UHD BR...apparently that Indian guy doesn't give a shit about Xbox. BTW Ballmer was the CEO when Xbox One was revealed in November 2013. Guess who was CEO in February 2014? I guess Ballmer gave a shit about Xbox One release.

[aconnellan]

Are you kidding? You're actually criticising MS for:

- Adding highly requested features to the console

- Listening to and implementing community feedback

- Making meaningful and consistent updates to the console itself to offer a better user experience

Literally everything you just criticised them for doing, they do them because the community wants them. What a stupid sentiment

[kenwonobi]

They concentrate on software so much it's ridiculous. Concentrate on games. Nobody gives a sh"# that its a Windows type software or interfaces.

[yeahright2]

umm, games are software. I guess you meant the OS? the UI?

[kstuffs]

Games and OS software are not mutually exclusive.

[yeahright2]

I know that. I was saying maybe he meant to say they were focusing on the OS so much it's ridiculous.
Kinda like saying they focus on christians so much it's ridiculous, concentrate on catholics!

[Obscure_Observer]

PS4Pro is avaliable. Switch is upon us. Scorpio´s almost a year from release.

Still, which platform articles manages to be on top spot around here? Yeah. You guessed right! Pretty relevant Imo. Love it or hate it. You WILL talk about it. ;)

[Godmars290]

But the point is will people buy it :p

[Lennoxb63]

Reconfirms the saying: No such thing as bad press.

[kenwonobi]

The PS4 articles.

[Obscure_Observer]

Only this week, there´s 3 Xbox related articles with 1000+ fahrenheit degrees while Sony only has one. And thats because the topic in question is a controversial one. Horizon Zero Dawn´s supposed downgrade.

[Kingthrash360]

Well xbox has had alot of stuff happen this week.
The fact that the scorpio isn't 'true 4k' and will be using checkerboarding is enough for 5 1000 degree articles I'm surprised at only 3. Plus I remember when the pro was first leaked before the scorpio was heard of and we went months with nothing but 1000+ articles saying it was a mistake. Hell it didn't calm down until MS leak hit. Then it was ok lol.
If MS continues to lie and mess up every week then get used to it. The day that a MS exclusives isn't a native 4k game is when you'll see a ton of articles asking why even buy a scorpio.
I swear E3 is gunna be something else this year. As soon as trailers for games on the scorpio land and digital foundry get a hold of them is when we'll see what's really going on. You can't trust what MS says anymore.

@below
When did they say only MS games will be 'true 4k'
What they said is
" project scorpio will be THE ONLY TRUE 4K CONSOLE" .....umm so what do they mean by this? The ps4 pro has native 4k games and checkerboarding. ...so for the scorpio to be THE ONLY true 4k console....what are they saying then? What are they implying? You know why you can't answer it.....because you don't like the taste if crow.
They lied...stop doing PR for them.
Anyone need links? I got multiple links of them saying the scorpio is tge ONLY true 4k console.
Seeing that it too will have checkerboarding it's the same as a pro...just less games.

[Chris12]

@kingthrash there you go again, talking about MS lies and having no clear idea what is going. MS said their own games will be true 4K. Checkerboard rendering is nothing but a tool for developers to use if they wish. MS can only control their own output, dev's are free to use whatever they like for their own games. It's not that hard, despite all your negative comments on every Xbox article.

[ItMatters]

@kingthrash that is not a fact. Phil spencer never said that and you are using the euro gamers video as proof. That's not how it works.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Kingthrash360

What "facts" and what "lies" are you referring to?

-"As soon as trailers for games on the scorpio land and digital foundry get a hold of them is when we'll see what's really going on. You can't trust what MS says anymore."

See what´s really going on? You´re contradicting yourself! Do you trust DF´s analisys of the white paper which dates from June´s 2016 to be the blueprint of the Scorpio? Yes or Not? Do you confirm Polaris? Do you confirm Jaguar? Do you belive the Scorpio will just a little bit more powerful than the PS4Pro?

No offence but, the only "lies" i see are the ones fabricated by you ferphaps?

By Kingtrash360 - "And who says this is a xbox one upgrade? I remember phil saying it wouldn't be an upgrade but a new gen."

YOU called it a next gen back then and NOW you calling it an upgraded Xbox One? Make up your mind, bro. :)

-"The day that a MS exclusives isn't a native 4k game is when you'll see a ton of articles asking why even buy a scorpio."

When MS said ALL GAMES (exclusives or not) would be native 4K?

[IamTylerDurden1]

Why do u think Scorpio articles dominate N4G? Remember when cloud and DX12 articles dominated N4G? They did, and look how cloud and DX12 turned out... Microsoft goes to great lengths to over promote their products and it has no bearing on whether it will actually be good. But the same theme is always prevalent, "just wait guys, down the road xbox will be amazing".

Chris

Exactly, cloud tech is in its infancy yet Microsoft touted it as if it would dramatically change games right now. They discussed shaders being offloaded to the cloud, enemy ai etcetera. They hyped it as something that was extremely viable at this very moment. Why may i ask has Microsoft gone so quiet about cloud tech nowadays? They used it to promote Titanfall. They used it to make ppl believe that the xbone had some secret sauce that would increase its power when ppl were freaking about xbone being underpowered. But what changed? Why isn't cloud tech at the tip of Phil and Aaron's tongue anymore?

As for DX12, they exaggerated and made ppl believe it would dramatically improve the games on xbone. It was just a graphics api, the next iteration after DirectX 11, it was never going to be a game changer for xbone, yet it was talked about at nauseum. It was blatantly overhyped, and it wasn't until the very end that Phil attempted to dial back the hype, but by that time many ppl believed it would improve games in ridiculous ways. Ppl were putting out crazy numbers. I was there, it happened. But i find it interesting that at a time when DX12 should be showing its mettle Microsoft and the many devs who touted it are silent.

Trolls

Are you kidding? You think Microsoft gets trolled but not Sony? Do you know Rookie? Or the notorious ppl who are first in every PlayStation article? Did you miss the No Man's Sky situation? Do you remember the likes of Aussie? Moldy, Neon, Gangsta... To act like one side has trolls but not the other is either fanboyish or just naive.

Obscure_Observer

And if power IS so important to you then why did you downplay it for the past four years? But now that a powerful xbox console is on the horizon it's suddenly important? Check that, it will be important when holiday 2017 hits, but not until then... but when PS5 hits suddenly power won't matter again..

So if one game comes out and actually uses cloud tech in some capacity that Microsoft hyped it should signify that cloud is an absolutely legit game changer that will dramatically affect numerous games this gen? One example means ppl should eat crow? Ppl criticised PS4 Pro and said it couldn't run current AAAs at native 4K. Then numerous games like Battleborn, NBA 2K, Nioh ect proved them wrong yet ppl still continue with the same rhetoric about PS4 Pro. Ppl said PSVR could not run a current AAA, but then Resident Evil 7 came out. Do all doubts get put to rest now? Highly unlikely. If you are looking solely at Crackdown 3 as your absolute, unequivocal cloud redemption then you are slightly disillusioned.

[Chris12]

How did DX12 and cloud turn out? Cloud technology is still in it's infancy and DX12 is just a tool for developers to use. Look at any Xbox article and it's the usual trolls that dominate with their negativity, not the other way around. The same is happening now on Scorpio articles because the full spec hasn't been released. All we know right now is that it will be the most powerful console and will be backwards compatible. Doesn't stop the trolls wading in knee deep on every article though.

[Obscure_Observer]

@IamTylerDurden1

"Why do u think Scorpio articles dominate N4G? Remember when cloud and DX12 articles dominated N4G? They did, and look how cloud and DX12 turned out"

You know why. Power! The same power that make some people happy, excited, proud, angry, jealous and insecure. All of your post above correlate with the answer you seek. You talk about DX12, Cloud... all power related. So first, i think you should ask yourself this: "If power really don´t matter to me, why the f$%@ should i care about the Scorpio or MS at all?" ;)

Btw, the Cloud saga is not over yet. If Cloud really works as intented (Crackdown 3´s Multiplayer), get ready for a sh!tstorm of articles about it. And then, mark my words: Some people will choke with crow and their fallacies and hypocrisy will be exposed trough their idiotic and arrogant statements in articles like this one. ;)

[Chris12]

@tyler - Titanfall did use the cloud. It provided dedicated servers and the calculations for various things such as AI. So what's your point?

Can you also show me where MS exaggerated what DX12 is, I don't remember seeing anything from them at the time

[PhoenixUp]

Of course not

[81BX]

Agreed!

[RAM0N]

No

[skydragoonityx]

I hope not, competition is good

[ApocalypseShadow]

I wouldn't say irrelevant. But they sure are not trying to make it better and grow the console industry.

Everyone knows Nintendo for 2 things:(1)They make quality games.(2)They try to get everyone to play together.

You can disagree with them for using the same characters for all their games, or trying something new that may seem like the next gimmick. But you can't say they follow their competitors. They do their own thing. When Nintendo drops a game like Mario or Zelda, gamers stop and take notice. Making themselves relevant. And they have 3 wins on their belt.

Sony is known for 2 things (1) build quality of hardware. (2) variety of software.

Sony entered the industry and brought gaming to the grown ups. And with that, raising the bar on what is considered a game. They take risks. Some don't pan out as well as others, but you can't fault them for trying. When a convention comes around, all eyes are typically on what Sony might do next and what they will announce. Sony also has 2 wins on their belt. Possibly 3.

Leading to what Microsoft is known for (1) misleading and money hatting.(2) entering the industry to counter whatever Sony is doing.

It's a known fact that Microsoft entered the game industry to thwart Sony from controlling the living room. But to do that, you need games and studios to make those games. They have billions. More than Sony and Nintendo combined. 15 years in the industry. Tech experts and software experts. The results?

A more powerful system that didn't change PS2's ascension. A more capable system rushed to market that broke more than the industry standards. A paid online service, pay walls to use simple services like Netflix. A camera to watch you for advertising. Actors miming on stage. An HD DVD player to slow bluray adoption. And policies to strip gamers of their game ownership rights while monitoring you ever 24 hours. They relented luckily. But damage was done. And now you can play their games sans an Xbox with a PC.Result? No wins in the game industry.

They have fans. And there are some games worth playing. But for a large corporation, you would think there would be more effort, more games, more studios, more risks, more conventions like PSX, more worldwide support of other languages and genres of games, more announcements. That's not the case. Investment is low or just enough to get by. Agenda being the gatekeeper of services and the proliferation of windows.

Disagree if you like. But again, Nintendo's motivation is getting people together to play. Sony's is to improve the quality and grow the industry. But ask yourself, what is Microsoft's motivation based on past actions and what you see? Ask yourself where is mech assault, perfect dark,conker, rally sport, flight simulator, age of empires, crimson skies, kameo, brute force, or anything like it as new IPs?

[Obscure_Observer]

@Apocalypse Shadow

So you choose to selectively point out Sony and Nintendo positives while balancing with MS negatives? I see...

Such an unbiased and clever opnion :p

[ApocalypseShadow]

Isn't it interesting though obscure?

They have more money than Sony and Nintendo combined. They have software expertise. Even hardware expertise. And 15 years on the market.

But their game output is hinged on 3 franchises that are on round robin rotation. Not expanding their portfolio which also would expand the console game industry.

You don't find that peculiar? If they're not bringing the games, why be in the game industry? If they have a back catalog of good games, why not update them? With the money they have, their output should match and even dwarf Sony's and Nintendo's.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Apocalypse Shadow

You made some valid points. Still, keep in mind that Xbox One is still recovering from a major fiasco caused by Mattrick. In case you forget, Xbox almost sunk! I belive Spencer is doing his best to ster the ship in the right direction.

But it takes time. Many of his boses, investors and shareholders are still skeptical about the Xbox future. Wasn´t for Nadella, Xbox should be good as dead right about now.

Spencer and Xbox team has been delivering great content, games, features and services for Xbox One owners and Windows 10 PC gamers in less than three years.

They need more and better exclusives? Yes. More new IPs? Sure. More first party studios? Definely!

But to think Xbox should or will have the same amount of exclusives as the PS4 wich mainly relies on Japanese dev support is just not realistic.

Xbox One has a strong third party support from NA and European studios while just a few (the big ones) in Japan.

Could you honestly say MS didn´t tried? Japan simply don´t care about Xbox not matter what and lets be honest here: nowdays japanese gamers don´t care about PS4 that much either. Three years later and only 4 millions units sold out 50 million plus worldwide.

Spencer is trying to bring back Phantom Dust and already give hints about a new Mechassault. So wait for E3. You might be surprised. ;)

[ApocalypseShadow]

Understood. But i will say this...

It's not Sony's Japanese side that has been pumping out games. It's been their UK and american studios that have been producing the games for PS4. Only the last guardian and bloodborne were the ones coming from Japan.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Apocalypse Shadow

I wasn´t talking about japanese first party (or second in Bloodborne´s case) studios. I´m talking about japanese third party studios support.

Take a look at the comming exclusives for PS4 2017 and beyond:

(Credit goes to Overload)

http://gematsu.com/exclusiv...

That is the kind of support Xbox One doesn´t have and apparently, never will.

[ItMatters]

Yikes. How about
Xbox 1. Stable first party base with Halo, Forza, gear of war, Fable as highly recognizable quality IP's.
You guys say they have no other games, But when someone points out that they do you say they either suck or they're not exclusive. It seems there's no winning with you guys.

[Phill-Spencer]

there are no exclusive ip's anymore. Why are you guys mentioning games that are also available on other devices to point out that x1 is still relevant? Makes no sense. Stop it now!

[XanderZane]

@U_R_Weirdos
Halo 5, Forza Horizon 2, Crimson Dragon, Sunset Overdrive are not on other devices. Stop embarrassing yourself with trolling biased comments.

[daBUSHwhaka]

I don't and never will own a gaming pc so the answer is nope..

[Allsystemgamer]

Enjoy over spending

[XanderZane]

There's no need for one if you already own a PS4 and XB1. I have a laptop that can play a few PC games, but I do most of my gaming on game consoles. PC gaming is irrelevant for me right now, unless I start playing MMO's again that are PC exclusive.

[nowitzki2004]

I dont need an X1 and based off of MS actions most likely will never need a Scorpio. There is far more games on PC that you cannot play on Xbox One.

[Lennoxb63]

To those who don't like Xbox, absolutely. But for me its my primary console. Nothing anybody on N4G or any where else in the world can do or say anything to change that. At the same time, me liking Xbox doesn't correlate to me hating PlayStation or anyone who likes it.

[CocoaBrother]

Thank you for having such a rational response to the topic at hand. It's easily possible to enjoy one system and not hate another; or enjoy all systems available. People take their console preferences way too seriously

[ClickbaitAF]

"People take their console preferences way too seriously"

It's actually kinda pathetic when you think about it. Fanboys treat this "console war" like it is a Civil War. At the end of the day, we're just gamers trying to have some fun.

[XanderZane]

Completely agree. I enjoy my XB1 games, but still play PS4 & Wii U games as well. True gamers usually don't focus on just one platform.

[slavish0]

It out sells Nintendo so what does that make them?

[Obscure_Observer]

Well said! ;)

[Segata]

3ds is at 61 million sold. Pre order for Switch are very good. Doesn't outsell Nintendo..just outsold Wii U. Howver Nintendo handheld systems always do well. So very likely Switch will outsell XBO lifetime sales within 3-4 years easily.

[IIFloodyII]

It outsells the Wii U, not Nintendo. The Wii U is a textbook example of irrelevant hardware too, so XB1 being able to outsell it doesn't really say anything about the XB1.

[XanderZane]

True. The Wii U would be considered more irrelevant. The Switch starts a whole new generation (Gen 9) and no one know what that console will do.

[sk8ofmnd]

I wish we could have sales data month to month or like a quarterly report. It seems they only talk sales when they win a month or 4 like they did last year in july, aug, sept, oct... Ms fangirls where in full steam ahead until... The ps4pro launched and now they are quieter than a mouse queef.

I know people hate the sales card but it is a direct measure to how well a product is doing compared to another. 30 million xb1's vs 60 million ps4's is a total co*k slap to any person spouting bullshit when the truth doesnt lie. I hate to drag nintendo into this but 12 million consoles sold in over 4 years is like telling everyone you have a 3 inch pen!s (hard) theres just some things you dont announce to the public but they did it anyways because they stand by their manhood... Ermm product where ms was like... We have a 5 inch pen!s vs sonys 8... Shut it downnnnn!!!

Im willing to bet after the holidays xb1 sales plumeted. Are we finally seeing ppl holding off buying an xb1 for the scropio orr are those gamers seeing the 1st party lineup on sonys machine to amazing to ignore? Its starts with nioh and hzd and then the onslaught of games is almost devastating to watch. Not to mention how much better games like re7 look on my ps4pro. Every year before 2017 i considered a weak offering for ps4 but going into year 4 the future is so bright i need shades 😎

The reality of the situation is that the xb1 actually had a pretty decent year in 2016 compared to sony (arguably) and they still got f'ed in the A with no lube 😒😪

Edit:

People need to learn the difference between irrelevant and relevant 🙈

[sin7279]

26 milion not 30!

[sk8ofmnd]

Its evident i was rounding 👆... The ps4 isnt 60 either...

[butchertroll]

Xbone is not at 30 mil., dude! It's even lower. PS4 is not at 60 mil. too.

quote :

Its evident i was rounding 👆... The ps4 isnt 60 either...

.....

Hahaha. How you can round 53.4 mil into 60 mil. or 26 mil. to 30 mil.?That's hilarious.

[kenwonobi]

Yes. PSVR is more relevant. Lmao!

[AcidDvl]

At least it has exclusives. Lmao!

[DashArrivals]

The only people it's still relevant for are people that just do not game on PC in any way shape or form and that really really like Halo, Gears and Forza.

If you can game on PC at all, you would never buy the Xbox One. It's pointless now. Most people who do that would be PC and PS4, it covers all your bases.

Switch is a novelty and an outlier.

[Vasto]

Project Scorpio is the one that is dominating headlines.

E3 2017 here we come!

[riibhu]

70 to 80 % of games released on console are multi platform rest are exclusive. So I don't think Xbox is going to be irrelevant. And scorpio is going to perform better on third party games than ps4 pro.
However those who think that console should only be purchased for exclusive might think otherwise now.
P.S. What's this about with people these days who say Xbox exclusive are on PC so it's better to play on PC . I thought console people hated the complexity of PC's and preferred console because of how "simple and cheap" it is to use. And now suddenly they think everyone should get PC because no exclusive? Seriously? Talk about hypocrisy.

[Lennoxb63]

Before the Xbox Play Anywhere program, everyone shunned PC elitists about how "complicated" or "expensive" PC gaming is. After the program was announced, everyone on N4G has a PC.

[riibhu]

Exactly.

[Phill-Spencer]

Pc gaming is a hassle. Tweaking, crashes, digital only etc. But still i would prefer pc over x1. Why buy the console and more important, have to pay for online when pc gets all the games x1 gets but with free mp?

[riibhu]

If you are that guy who buys console just to play exclusive and then play all muti plats on PC then yes Xbox does seem less desirable.
But if you are just a console player who don't even want their hands on PC gaming as most of console players are then no, Xbox or even even Scorpio is very well relevant.

[starchild]

PC gaming is not a hassle. Consoles are definitely easier and more straight forward, but PC gaming nowadays is not very hard or complicated.

[tyasia0]

Well 80% might be the ratio on Xbox because it has no exclusives. But on PS4 there is as many exclusives as 3'rd party probably more.

[riibhu]

Like tales of berseria,nier and upcoming ni no kuni 2 yeah ps4 has more exclusive that "aren't" coming to PC.

[starchild]

That's not true at all. Even on PS4 multiplatform games greatly outnumber exclusives.

[Gwynbleidd]

26+ million Xbox Ones out there say otherwise. With the majority of games being 3rd party and also having many exclusives (not as much as PS but enough AAA) I think Xbox One is hardly irrelevant.

[BigGamersSmallTalk]

I play 99% of the time on my Xbox One, so I'm gonna say no it's not.

[fromchildren]

It is mostly irrelevant in East Asia.
Pretty relevant in the West especially in US.

[AmUnRa]

No it is not so relevant in Europe as you think. The PS4 is outselling the Xbox One even in Xbox360 country the UK. They are outselling the Xbox One three yes even in some countries four to one. So yes it is a bit irrelevant

[butchertroll]

Beside UK, the rest of Europe is dead for Xbone.

[Muigi]

What games make the xbox relevent lol? Gears, Halo,Forza?

[Yohshida]

The ones you have to downplay over and over again

[kenwonobi]

You know those games are losing steam themselves.

[King_Lothric]

Xbox is not as successful as the Playstation but I think it has its own little market compared to the worldwide market domination of PS4.

Microsoft wanted to dominated the console market and they couldn't. They must now focus on attend its little piece of the market.

[3-4-5]

* No. Just bought NHL 17 on it yesterday and it plays awesome. XB1 is my go to for sports & FPS games and some 3rd parties because I love the controller.

* I own a PS4 as well as a Wii U and already payed off the Switch. I love video games. All consoles are worth owning.

Longer play sessions are easier on my hands/elbows/wrists with the XB1 than the PS4 controller I've noticed.

XB1 still has value but it just doesn't have many exclusives that I care about.

343 basically ruined Halo.....don't care about that anymore. They catered the game to 10,000 pro players and the other 5+ million players are forced to play by their rule set......= pathetic.

* Forza & especially Forza Horizon are the best racing games out now....nothing is a more complete well made package so that franchise has value but only so much because only so many people are into racing games at an above casual level.

* Switch is going to dominate the XB1 in first party exclusives though....which is a huge reason I want the Switch....for the Nintendo games.

I can play the 3rd party games that don't make it to Switch on my PS4 or Xb1.

[Donnie81]

No its a solid option. In the real world not the one n4g depicts, the average console gamer doesnt own a high end pc and could care less that you can buy xbox exclusives on win 10. They just want to play games and relax. Plus you have the added value of a uhd player in the x1 s. Its never gonna catch up to the ps4 but that's ok as long as it still has a healthy user base and gets multiplats. Also games with gold is almost always the better than plus. The absolute best thing about xbox is being able to play with crapgamer, rackem up guys!

[medman]

I wouldn't say the xbox one is irrelevant...it does have tens of millions of customers, but I think based on the 360, Microsoft should have been more relevant than they have been this gen. They dropped the ball, big time. The focus was on entertainment, instead of what gamers really want, which is great games.

[discobastard]

It's a shame that it feels this way unfortunately. I've still not bought one and normally have both systems. Very excited for Scorpio and how it could shake things up again for the industry. This is their last chance to unscrew everything they screwed up on. The entire team should have been fired. That launch was a cataclysmic disaster. They're completely irrelevant in Japan. I think they sold 35 consoles the other week in comparison to over 20k ps4s. Even the 2ds out sells it over there!? It's very strong in the US and only so so in Europe. Everyone I knew that bought this gen on day 1 went to PS4. It's a shame as competition is important but Sony appear to be very intune with their customer base. They nailed it this time

[Yohshida]

So irrelevant they bring out the next gen console this year and already plan on future consoles.

[Poseph]

Let's kill Xbox One and Switch and let Sony have a monopoly. This will end well :)

[MasterCornholio]

If you don't want Sony to have a Monopoly you have to ask the competition to perform better. It's not like Sony is applying barriers of entry into the market.

[Nodoze]

All hope rests with Scorpio. I somehow think it will not be the savior that everyone thinks it to be. It will be a high priced offering for the hardcore only, and will give a little kick in sell through...but will dwindle after that. I was eyeing a XBO, but am waiting for the Scorpio to see what is like. No real reason to rush in and buy today. Plus i cannot stand white consoles.

[DashArrivals]

I don't think any rational person thinks Scorpio is going to save anything. It's just going to be a cool premium console to own for hardcore Xbox fans. That is the truth and my honest opinion.

[PlatinumGX]

Irrelevant as irrelevant can be.

[Bronxs15]

"These days it seems like gamers everywhere are either talking about the PlayStation 4 & its great lineup of upcoming games or the Nintendo Switch,”

Yet here is your XB1 article, in the long list of other articles discussing XB1, it’s line up, the Scorpio hype train what MS is doing right, what MS is doing wrong… I guess no one cares about MS & Xbox right?

As a gamer, XB1 isn’t irrelevant. There are many games & reason to consider XB1, especially if you didn’t own a 360.

This comment is for gamers who never owned an xbox/considering buying an XB1. Fanboys move on.

Here are some games I’ve played because of xbox & why as gamers it isn’t irrelevant. Some games are multiplats & I’ll say why I choose the xbox version. Some games are 360 because XB1 plays them. In addition to 2 free XB1 games you get 2 free 360 games every month & the games are yours forever. You “buy” them for $0 so you can play them anytime even if you don’t renew your xbox live subscription.

Allan wake
Splosion man
Halo: The MCC
*halo 1, halo 2, halo 3, & halo 4 – one of IF not the best story driven first person shooters with amazing graphics, sound & gameplay.

Halo 3 ODST
Halo Reach
Halo 5 Guardians
Splinter cell conviction
Rise of Tomb Raider
* playable 1 year before ps4

Gear or war Ultimate edition
*comes with gears 2, gears 3, gears of war judgement – again one of the best cover based 3rd person shooters with great graphics & solid cover & shooting mechanics gameplay

Gear of War 4
NBA 2k17
*Came bundled with Xbox one s

Killer Instinct
Recore
Crackdown 3
Dead Rising 4
INSIDE
Quantum Break
Rare Replay
*I never played such classics before like: Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooi Series, Viva Piñata, Conkurs bad fur day & Kameo

Mass Effect
* if you never played ME before XB1 is an amazing way to get into the series. On XB1 there is a service not available on Sony or Nintendo platforms called EA Access (EAA). You can subscribe to EAA, it’s one of the best values in gaming. EAA gives free EA games, early access, free 10 hour trials of new games. Mass Effect 1, 2, & 3 are available for free with EAA.

I originally bought an xbox 360 for ME, at the time it was exclusive to 360. You’d have to wait much longer to play it on ps3. Not to mention the games were not released in order on ps3, so ps3 gamers were not able to carry over their save file from the first game like 360 gamers were.

Forza
* I haven’t really gotten into the series, but it’s a highly-regarded series among racing game enthusiasts. & just look at Forza horizon 3, looks like a blast, I’m getting it soon.

Shadow Complex
Red Dead Redemption* 360 version is superior to ps3.
The Orange Box* great on 360 not great on ps3
Ilomilo
Bayonetta
*great on 360, not good on ps3. Wii u has definitive version tho.

Sunset Overdrive
Wolfenstein : the new order
*Got for xbox because of an very cheap xbox live sale

WWE 2K16
*free game with gold

Ori & the Blind Forest
* Possibly my favorite game of the generation so far. So good. Beat the original game 3 times & then bought the definitive edition to beat it again with the new area & new powers.

[dRanzer]

There are LOTS of Halo there

[Bronxs15]

These games I wouldn’t buy, but got to play for free with EA Access & enjoyed them:
EA sports UFC2
Dragon Age Inquisition
Battlefield 4
Battlefield Hardline
Need for speed rivals
Need for speed 2015

These games I woun’t buy, but to got play for free because of backwards compatibility:
Foraza horizon
Super Meat Boy
Assassins creed IV black flag
Beyond good & evil HD
Borderlands
Burnout paradise
Deus ex
Far cry 3 blood dragon
Mirrors Edge
Peggle
Spelunky
Lost odyssey
XCOM enemy unknown

With all that listed above that I as a gamer have been able to play in a very good, conveniently & affordable manner cus of xbox. I guess I should throw it all out the window cus xbox is irrelevant & has no scalebound.

[jznrpg]

Not irrelevant, but leaning towards that way a bit

[iliimaster]

i havnt had a reason to turn on my ps4 other than when i have ps vue
the only game i want is god of war 4 everything else i might buy used... all my friends that ive made playing since 2006 are on xbox... im sure im not the only one.. people like kenwonobi talk about how they rely on gears forza halo etc.... well my friend wake up uncharted is on part 4 and god of war (even though my GT is kratos on xbox is on part 4 aswell also has some psp games to its franchise ?

[XXanderXX]

The Xbox is relevant in my house , have Xbox one in the living room have Xbox S in the bed room and waiting on Scorpio so he can be the basements Xbox Scorpio.

[synistatha1]

Why

[XXanderXX]

Cause it's the hardware I prefer and rather have , that's why .

[synistatha1]

But why what makes it so appealing to u

[XXanderXX]

The games it offers me , the features it provides , incentives but ultimately it's
The Red, White & Blue is what truly makes it appealing to me .

[RedPill86]

Is this a crap article with no point to make? It's peddling software out at an equivalent rate to the PS4. It's doing better than the 360 hardware wise. First party sucks but it's surviving anyways (this entire generation sucked for first party). It's feature set is nothing to be mad about. Irrelevant? No. Not even a little bit. Right now we're waiting on this industry to get the software going again. Who's doing well console wise at that point could be anybody.

Gotta love journalists that don't know how the industry functions. They just make crap headlines and hope for clicks.

[TheColbertinator]

The Xbox 360 around this same timeframe as the Xbox One had a more lucrative standing with gamers.

Back then 360 had barrages of great games released throughout the year,new Xbox live features and had its own unique presence.

360 had JRPGs and back then Halo was still a force to be reckoned with Bungie at the helm. It was selling very highly too second only to the Wii domination.

Now the glory days of Xbox haven't been seen in a while. Someday if Microsoft decides to build more first party studios again I'd be interested in new Xbox experiences.

[Brazz]

USA, UK,and 1-3 other countrys: yeah sure, Xbox is something big.
Rest of the world: no...just no...

[IamTylerDurden1]

The Xbox division needs to invest in more first party studios so they can produce a wider variety of quality exclusives like their competitors.

[Tross]

It means something to some people. It's only less relevant when compared side by side with the PS4, but really that's the nature of all cult systems when compared with their more successful counterparts. The Vita is very much relevant to me as fan of Japanese and indie IPs, but the 3DS greatly eclipsed it in sales. The XB1 is very much relevant to FPS and racing fans. In both cases it's a matter of certain system's offerings being tailored to certain genres and types of gamers whereas a system like the PS4 offers a greater variety that works for all kinds of gamers, hence why it has been the most successful console this gen.

[Mrveryodd]

About the exclusive thing ... Where the hell is all the PlayStation driving exclusives??? I cant find them ... Are Sony hiding them from me or what ???

Not one answer ... Just disagrees .... Still doesn't change there are a big fat 0 .... Well there's drive club ... Which is to arcadey for me.

[zb1ftw777]

No.

The ps4pro is though.

[aaronaton]

Yes,
Next question please.

[Petebloodyonion]

This article is as valid as trying to say wich one of Apple or Android is irrelevant!
IF Xbox is irrelevant what about all retro console, Nvidia Shield, Steam box?
Does your brand of Blu-ray player is irrelevant because it's not 1st brand?
your car?

[Spenok]

This is a ridiculous question. I don't own an Xbone, although I want one, I just don't have enough reason to buy it just yet with a PS4. Of course it's relevant. Competition breeds excellence, and dissuades complacency. Just look at the PS3 when it first came out, and the XBone when it was first announced. Both made HUGE strides to fix their missteps and be more about the consumer. Which is EXACTLY what it's about, and how you sell your product.

Sure, they need to sell the customer on the product in the first place, but either way, even though the PS4 has a HUGE advantage on the Xbone with it's set of exclusive titles and 3rd party support and more powerful hardware (at least until Scorpio comes out). That doesn't make the Xbone irrelevant in any way.

It's still selling, it's still popular, some people still prefer it over the competition, and MS just announced that they are making a killing in the software department of Xbone, as well as very strong Xbox Live active members (55 million if my memory serves me correctly). So no... no it is in no way irrelevant.

Make a more compelling argument next time.

[richyque]

New ip's and exclusives will bring xbooxe back into the mainstream conversation, not shitty old backwards compatible 360 games.

[ElementX]

Xbox isn't irrelevant. I'm mainly a PC gamer but I like Xbox for online games like COD because I like to use a controller usually. People who say "I can just buy the game on PC" may not understand that not everybody has money for a PC. If you're an Xbox owner and purchase a cross-buy game, it'll be available to download on PC once you get a gaming rig if you don't have one already.

[CP_Company]

if we are talking about console it self,yes,it is irrelevant.but if we are talking like about competitor,so yeah it is relevant and very important,because they are pushing sony to do more better.

[Gr8saiyaman88]

No

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Typical front page of N4G article. There's one like it every single day.

[hiawa23]

I game on all the consoles, not into PC at all, so don't care about that platform, so X1 is not irrelevant to me. I absolutely love my X1S, actually prefer it's setup, os, controller, Live, apps, achievements, updates, photo, video capture, to Sony's setup. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my PS exclusives on the PRO, but Xbox is my main console, has always been since the orig, and I am certainly looking forward to the Scorpio, so in my house X1 is not irrelevant, and it gets the most play, especially my many back compat titles.

MS has made some missteps this gen, which has allowed Sony to just run away this gen, but they have corrected the ship, the X1S, is one my alltime favorite slim model, MS has the ship turned around, yeah they won't pass or catch Sony this gen, they are at least on par with what they did with the the 360 at the same stage last gen, so that is something to be proud of.

I don't rank my consoles on who sells the most consoles, so for me, MS just needs to keep doing what they have been doing. I am very happy with the console and the changes they have made this gen. For me the answer is no, Xbox is not irrelevant, and won't be. XBOX4LIFE

[DEATHxTHExKIDx]

Doesnt seem like it my friends who bought X1s around launch have either moved to PC or bought PS4s.

[yay111]

No, question closed. Stop being clickbaity dumb opinion pieces.

[WeAreLegion]

Well, yeah. Sort of. There's no reason to buy an Xbox One right now.

[Mrveryodd]

Unless you want to play your new movies in ultra hd.... There is no cheaper option

So sorry captinexplosion

[captainexplosion]

WTF? How do you figure that? Are you talking about Ultra HD? Yeah, that's one of the cheaper options, but its also inferior to stand alone UHD players and people who care about quality aren't going to use it as such. I won't even use my XB1 as a bluray player. I would go with my PS3, stand alone, or PS4 first.

[trooper_]

Its still relevant but Microsoft needs to step their game up.

[memots]

i play all those on Pc and a few on Ps4. so ... yeah

[Mrveryodd]

Some people just don't get ... If there is no Microsoft .... Do you not realise that if they go ...your ps5 is going to cost .... What ever Sony wants to charge you .... Nintendo are doing there own thing , so not much competition there .... That leaves Sony to do what they want ... And they will .
So to all the microsoft/xbox haters be careful what you wish for .... As I don't want to see my hobby with one main player and no real competition and I don't want to see Sony drop the ball . And they surely will with no body to keep them honest

[DashArrivals]

That's pure speculation. PS2 had no competition and was awesome. The people at Sony aren't stupid.

[Mrveryodd]

They had Nintendo and Xbox hot on its heels, so sorry BS again ... Google it

[IIFloodyII]

How was the Gamecube and Xbox hot on the PS2's heels? The PS2 outsold both combined and multiplied a few times. Google it yourself.

Gamecube: 21.7m sold
Xbox: 24m sold
PS2: 155m sold.

@Starchild
True, but you'd have to be the blindest of fanboy to try and argue either was hot on the PS2's heels, it's a fact neither was and there's no argument that will change that. Both were complete and utter flops by comparison, the Iphones on the other hand comfortably outsell pretty much every Android phone individualy, it's just massively outnumbered, awful comparison.

@Starchild

I didn't say it had no competition, just that nothing was hot on the PS2's heels. As for you IOS stuff, like I said the difference is the IOS devices all sell extremely well and individualy comfortably outsell most, if not all Android devices, making the comparison not really applicable. A better comparison would be last gen, the Wii dominated for most of it, but the PS3 and 360 were still a great competition for it.

Anyone who think 2 platforms that you can combine and multiply 3.5 times is hot on it's heels is just straight up stupid. It'd be way more silly than saying something like the VITA and Wii U are hot on the Xbox One's heels.

[starchild]

They had plenty of competition. Just because they sold a lot more consoles doesn't mean they didn't have competition. That would be like saying iOS isn't competition for Android simply because Android has around 80% market share. Sony's market share that generation wasn't even as large as that.

[starchild]

@llFloodyll

No, the comparison is just fine. The platform is based on the operating system and software the phones run not the individual hardware. Just as PS4 and PS4 Pro run on the same OS and run the same software and are not considered separate platforms.

The fact is, iOS only has around 15% market share and Android has most of the rest. But nobody with any sense would claim iOS isn't providing competition for Android. And the same thing applies for the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube generation. Sony had the dominant share of the market, but they knew that if they rested on their laurels they would have been giving up market share to their competitors.

Anybody who thinks competition only exists when the competitors are neck and neck is completely ignorant of economics.

[butchertroll]

Competition during PS2 was irrelevant. PS2 has the best and most diverse gaming library in console history. EOD.

[MagicBeanz]

Oh man this feels so much like ban bait, I'll just leave it alone I think its too dangerous to share an opinion on this one.

[captainexplosion]

I wouldn't say irrelevant but it is somewhat of a broken console imo. It was supposed to be an all in one entertainment hub and have Kinect 2.0. But the Kinect sucked and got unbundled after they promised it would always be included and the entertainment hub is broken. It degrades pic quality when used as a pass through for satellite. 7.1 is STILL broken on XB1 and S. The bluray player and streaming media is inferior to PS4 and PS3. On top of that multiplat games are weaker so it isnt really used as a primary console. It was actually an amazing concept to have an always on console with satellite/video games/streaming apps/blurays instantly accessible from one screen. But it failed and is nothing more than a secondary console. All I have used XB1 for over the last year is Gears 4 and a bit of Forza Horizon. I bought probably 20 PS4 games in the same period and also use PS4 for Blurays and streaming.

[Mrveryodd]

Dude I own both and that is pure BS.... There is no competition at what the Xbox can do with multi media v ps4

[captainexplosion]

PS3 and PS4 are better media players than the XB1. That is a fact.

[Mrveryodd]

Least they had a driving game in your shitty list ... ?

[Mrveryodd]

Hay captain wrong...
I just plugged a drive into my ps4 that has a boot load of movies on it ..Do you know what happened ... Bloody nothing . .. Same drive into my Xbox .... Do you know what happened ....
The Xbox plays every bloody thing on it.
So please tell me how its better please.
You cant because you are wrong.

[captainexplosion]

It's kind of telling when you click on video games on the metacritic home page and the 5 games that pop up are all PS4 games with four of them being exclusives and the fifth being Resident Evil which has exclusive stuff for the PS4.

[abra511]

afraid so

[Sm3000]

Of course! It's the only system to play scalebound on!

[NotanotherReboot]

Yep. It will easily catch up (maybe surpass?) with the PS4, just ike the PS3 did.

[Segata]

I mean yeah. It's a 3rd wheel. It basically only sells in the US. It offers pretty much nothing you can't get on PS4 and/or PC. MS seems to only want to use Gears,Forza,Halo and they still believe Halo is the killer app it was in 2007...it's not. Nintendo and Sony seem to offer whatever anyone wants. Portable gaming at it's finest with solid Nintendo IPs and Sony offering just about everything else. What market does Xbox serve?

[Villain528]

I have Xbox One. I have PS4. I play both a lot but I will say. PS4 just kills it with the variety of games you can only play on PS4. Most of my best friends have PS4. I have friends on Xbox One as well but who can really pass up playing with ur Best Friends?

[Villain528]

No. Xbox isn't irrelevant.

[Firebird360]

This all comes down to the fact that Ms wants Xbox to eventually be known as a service not a console. Xbox live games n service everywhere is what they want to sell you. That's the only reason the Xbox console still exists, because it's too early to fully implement their vision of games in the future. At some point if you want to play on Xbox live you'll be paying $99 a year to do so and all your game purchases will be digital and scaled in quality to run on anything that runs a ms os. Parts on that sound very cool but others dont. I'm still half concerned strict drm will pop up again. Also another thing that bothers me, these mid Gen updates, ps4 pro and Scorpio, in the long run, I feal, will only hurt the industry do to over saturation. Too many choices can be bad, at what point does the average consumer feel that it's all to much headache. Not only do they gotta weigh the pros n cons of ps4 vs x1, but now ps4 vs pro vs x1 vs scorpio... and at what point does ps4 and x1 fall to far behind pro and scorpio and get left with half assed games, even though technically the base console still runs the games but far inferior in quality.

[MatureGamer1000]

Very irrelevant

[dmetripaulpavlin]

No, but in a sea of opinion pieces this one is.

[Takwin]

No exclusives. Any gamer with even a midrange PC should get a PS4 Pro and a Nintendo Switch. You'll have almost every great game covered every year.

[SynestheticRoar]

Irrelevant sadly yes. Microsoft doing. They rather sell you a service than make the console relevant.Their dwindling fan base has kept them responsive this long.

[bunfighterii]

Globally it might be being outsold by 2:1 by the PS4 but it's nowhere near irrelevant. It still has a fairly decent install base. Wii U was the definition of an irrelevant console.

[jasonpugh]

This article is irrelevant.

[cabinotier]

Xbox has become cheaper gaming PC which is restricted to MS Store since E3 2016.
there are no "gaming console" for MS anymore.

[Mr-Writer]

I don't own one, and don't want one, but it's very relevant, maybe not in sales, or even exclusives.

But to be competitive against Sony, I'm a Sony fan, but it's like ying and yang, they give us gamers a choice.

Sony can't please everyone, but having MS means that Sony won't risk pissing off gamers like they did in the past.

Look at that Sony, how many people from that era can you name as still being there? People like Shu, or Cerny have replaced the old guard and become more gamer focused.

Same with MS, because Sony got their act together we gave MS a huge Fuck You. And what did that do? It made MS shake things up.

Just like Sony had to last gen.

So yes, the X1 is some what relevant, it's MS's PS3, a reminder that gamers vote with their wallets.

It's means going forward the compition on both sides will benefit us, gamers.

[Vknsnoob]

Yes it is, next month i am buying Ps4 just because of Horizon Zero Dawn, God of War 4 and Red Dead Redemption 2. All other games are coming to pc, sooo yes XBO is Irrelevant...

[Mrveryodd]

I don't know how any of these consoles are irrelevant.
They have been out for 3+ years.
I would have spent more than that upgrading my video card in that time for a pc.
A lot more.

[Einhander1971]

Agree completely irrelevant to ps4, switch, with all exclusive games both platforms have.
Already have ps4, switch on preorder will be more than happy with both systems:)

[ILikeGamesYeah]

'These days it seems like gamers everywhere are either talking about the PlayStation 4 and its great lineup of upcoming games or the Nintendo Switch'
15 million people are still on xbox live which already makes this question pretty dumb to the point that it has to be trolling. Also there are still mager exclusives coming up such as Halo wars 2, crackdown 3, state of decay 2 and Sea of theives. Reading this article while literally playing xbox in a chat with 4 of my friends made me laugh out loud. Are people still writing these bitter immature articles?

[Lulz_Boat]

deal with it

[SR388]

How come over the years I've seen so much nintendoom and Xbox hate but never anything bad and PlayStation? Lol

[IIFloodyII]

Selective reading most probably.

[Razzer]

your web browser must be broken

[Cohagen420]

Because PlayStation has never had an issue bringing the software everyone wants.

[SR388]

Hmmm don't know about the the ps3/4 have been pretty lame

[angelusbrz]

it's still popular in the US because its a "us product", it's totally dead everywhere else.

[Spartacus10]

Since I got an X1 I play it more than the PS4. Theres more games I like from games with gold and EA access.
The PS+ offerings dont appeal to me anymore to the extent that I've stopped bothering to add them to my account incase I want to play them in the future.
Imo, X1 the best value games console at the moment.

I'll still buy the odd PS exclusive that comes out and a game that performs a lot better on the PS4, but Sony have no where near as many new highly rated IP's as they did last gen, which made the decision to get a second console this gen easier for me.

If I had to choose to sell one of the consoles, it would be the PS4. Only thing I would really miss is the symmetrical analogue sticks and the softer shoulder buttons on the dualshock.

[jokerisalive]

No its not. Its plenty relevant until MS pulls the plug on it.

[wutang4ever]

I just hope Sony doesn't get Lazy now cuz MS is in the gutter.

[Leemundo]

I have an Xbox because all my friends do.
I used to be a PS guy, but man the Xbox controller is way better.
That's my reason. There are too many games to worry about exclusives, I have 83 installed right now.

[jc12]

I wouldn't say irrelevant. I would simply say both systems, meaning the PS4 and One, have been under powered from the start. The Scorpio should be Microsoft's successor to the the Xbox One, rather than an "iterative update."

[Vanfernal]

If you have any questions decent gaming PC then pretty much. Xbox no longer has exclusives so if you have a PC and want a console for gaming then the PS4 seems like a good better choice. You'll get pretty much all of the Xbox, Pc and PS4 exclusives that way. If you're strictly the console gamer and you're a fan of Halo / Gears / Forza then the Xbox might still hold some value.

[Bronxs15]

Guys says halo gears forza. Meanwhile I just finished quantum break and loved it. Looking forward to try crackdown 3 (never played the series in 360) and am currently enjoy banjo kazooie from rare replay on Xb1.

Ur comments doesn't match reality. It's like if someone said get a PlayStation if u like kill zone/ uncharted / gran turismo. ... you'd be like "WTF?" And that's what I said when I read ur comment.

[Vanfernal]

You didn't quite understand the point. If you have a pc you can play Quantum Break. As well as most Xbox exclusives going forward. Hence, the only reason to get an Xbox One at this point is if you are strictly a console gamer and a want to play the exclusives.

[Bronxs15]

@Vanfernal
You also didn't get the point of my comment. It's not wether quantum break is on pc or not. You're completely ignoring different and new franchises. Your comment is saying that Xbox only has gears halo and forza which is clearly wrong.

[Bronxs15]

@Vanfernal
Wow that's quite a caveat.

You didn't get the point of my post. Again your comment does not match reality. You said if you have a PC you can play Xbox one exclusives. Well guess what I have a PC, and can't play Xbox one exclusives.

As millions of people probably know, not sure why I need to explaint to you... having a PC and having a pc capable of running gears of war 4 or forza Horizon are two different things. Millions have pcs and the most popular u buy from stores are laptops at Best Buy for 3/400 and they won't be playing Xbox quality games. Solitaire, sure.

Further ur ridiculous scenario would work both ways so don't see why your trying to use it as an argument against one console maker. It would be the same for the other.

"IF you have a gaming rig capable of playing multiplats better than consoles the only reason you'd get a PlayStation is if your interested in their exclusives. "

That paragraph above is your reasoning not mine. I'd think their are lots of other reasons to get a console. If u like playing on a big screen, in a living room; couch co op, online with friends etc. Etc. Etc.

[Vanfernal]

That's why the very first comment I said if you have a "decent gaming pc". As for the big screen.... I have my pc hooked up to a 60 inch TV. Most pc's are hdmi nowadays you can hook them up anywhere. Anyways, you're obviously a fanboy and feel the need to "defend" your console. No point in trying to have an objective conversation with a fanatic. Have a nice day sir.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

I love my Xbox 1 but not having any exclusives to look forward to has made me appreciate my Pro even more. I went from buying single player titles only on PS to buying single and multiplayer titles on my Pro. I'm a hardcore gamer and a die hard Xbox fan so for me to suddenly start playing and buying games on my Pro over my Xbox is very telling. MS doesn't want to lose fans like me to Sony because if they do the Xbox brand will be done for. So to answer the question no it's not yet irrelevant but it's not as relevant as the 360 was.

[Bronxs15]

I don't think it's telling if any industry trends, just your preference. I've recently switched from PS4 as my main console to xb1s. I get all games there except PS4 exclusives. Is that telling? No. Just means I prefer the system. Why? I only want one gaming subscription and Xbox live gives better games that ps plus. Also the controller is great. Also easier to expand the storage so less time waisted for me deleting and redownloading and reinstalling games

[GoodnessGreatness]

Yes.

[feedthereaper]

People who make a big thing out of exclusives...... most exclusives are a load of crap. For every Uncharted game, you get 5 x No Mans Sky's!
Not everyone cares about resolution or exclusives. Sometimes people just want to play good games with their mates who are all playing on a particular console, and just sometimes, that isn't always a PS4.

As for the Switch...... it will die a death within 6 months of launch when people realise its just sub-par on virtually every aspect of gaming except the premium price-tag!

[AuToFiRE]

The Xbox One was irrelevant the day it was announced. While it is struggling to hit 30fps, the PC I built around the same time is still in the top 5% most powerful gaming PCs (Proof: http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1... )

[Mrveryodd]

Massive difference in price ...
@AuToFIRE
I have bought 6 full price games ... I have over 200 games ... I just wait 6 months and there a lot cheaper ... I get 4 a month ... That's 48 a year .... There is no way I have even spent $1200 au .... You cant buy a great gaming machine for that in au dollars .... Not with 3 x 48 games
Nearly all the games I had for my 360 work on the Xbox one ... So it can play most of my games from up to 10 years ago .... So no I don't have to re buy anything.
Not saying the pc is a bad option... My first was a 386sx that I paid almost $3000 dollars for ... Before that and also at the same time I had Amiga's 500,600,1200,4000 ... As I am a old bastard☺

[AuToFiRE]

Not when you factor in other costs like games, subscriptions, peripherals, half-gen consoles, etc. Over the life of the PC, it'll cost less than a console. And I don't have to rebuy my game library every generation, which in itself costs more than the PC

[TheGamingArt]

Yes it is

[RosweeSon]

Who?