PS4 Pro vs. Xbox Scorpio: Which Is Better From What We Know So Far?

The future faces off.

[NickBiazzo1231]

PS4 PRO for the win!!!1

[Overload]

The one with exclusives.

[S2Killinit]

@therookfather
Isnt it funny that you knew "the one with exclusives" refers to the PS4. (;

I guess when you have a console with slightly over 2X the exclusives, it sort of speaks volumes.

[n4rc]

Probably because you guys never shut up about it.. like it really matters to you who can't play a game

[Bansai]

Since I already own PS4 I'll go with Scorpio, PS4 Pro doesn't seem like a significant upgrade for me, it feels more like a PS 4.1.

Maybe if all of the upcoming games would've been affected by the upgrade, but the list is laughably small right now, so no thanks.

And for HDTV owners I also don't think it's a good idea: "Kotaku. A Pro owner who merely has a current-standard 1080p TV may also see marginal improvements to games"

I'd expect more than "marginal", especially that it's not every game, just selected ones.

[Genuine-User]

Depends on what you're looking for but strictly comparing power between the two, Project Scorpio has the advantage, given it's roughly 14 months away.

[Gazondaily]

Power wise, on paper there is no comparison.

Scorpio dominates PS4P.

For everything else, there's Mastercard 💳

[zivtheawesome]

@Overlad why the disagrees? are you guys saying exclusive games don't matter now?!

[OB1Biker]

The one thats already built works better IMO

[VoodooProject]

Microsoft exclusive. The choice that gives true gamers what platform they want to play on.

[vegasgamerdawg]

#GamesMatter

[sammarshall102]

The one with Microsoft exclusives, UHD blu-ray playability, HDR, and some native 4K gaming

Scorpio

[freshslicepizza]

how come i am not reading all those concerns people had about scorpio being able to pull off 4k and those same concerns on the ps4 pro now?

[mikeslemonade]

Pro has exclusives something I can't do on my PC. Scorpio out in 14 months to play lame multiplats at high settings. Guess what.. I've been maxing every PC game for years.

[ONESHOTV2]

Overload---- if that's all you need then pc is the winner with the most exclusives and dont try to counter my argument with well ps4 has the best games no becuase that's all up to your choice. and btw this is coming from a PS console owner

TheRookFather-- wow that one will hurt some people

[Teh_Leviathan]

Like that P.O.S. Knack?? Or No Man's Sky? Or The Order? Or DriveClub?

More exclusives doesn't make your console better.

Games like Uncharted, The Last Of Us etc make a console worth buying. But don't be a pussy and hide behind "my console has twice as many exclusives" because a lot of those exclusives were complete and utter horse shit!

[Skillz1215]

@rookie speaking of exclusives do you have any?

[LastCenturyRob]

Well, only two or three of the exclusives for PS4 are any good the rest are mostly indi junk.

[XanderZane]

Both systems have exclusives that can't be played on the others system. Both will have multiplats as well. Which games will look better and perform better for gamers overall? Which will have the best online service? Which system will be able to evolve into the future?

[Mystogan]

Xbox doesn't have exclusives? lol

[COMMENT-OF-THE-YEAR]

History has always shown the one with better games wins. Hardware specs are great for fidelity, But that doesn't make games more fun or mechanics any better.

[Genuine-User]

If we are strictly comparing the power between a PS4-Pro and the proposed 6TF Scorpio; the latter will always come out on top.

That said, there are a few things one should consider:

Xbox games are no longer exclusive to one hardware platform
You can build a better gaming rig than the Project Scorpio right now
Project Scorpio is roughly 14 months away
Project Scorpio could cost around £500

PlayStation 4 Pro comes out this year
PlayStation 4 exclusives Not available on anything except a Sony device
PlayStation 4 Pro costs £350 with 1TB HDD

@Meche334

It's going to be 3 years in November and you guys still think it was mainly down to the multiplatform games running better. Have you forgotten the price gap of nearly £90 between the two systems at launch?

@PlayableGamez

Can't you read? My very first sentence compares the two console. What the hell? Lol

@Bansai

Calling me a shill further showcases the weakness of your position. Well done you.

[meche334]

But why did ps4 take off in sales anyways. Because multiplats ran better. Exclusives were hardly out when ps4 started taking off. It was just running games better

[PlayableGamez-]

@Genuine-User I like how you compare the Scorpio to PC and not the Pro...

Seems like that's all of you of Sony dudes are going to do from here on out....

[PlayableGamez-]

That's not what you ps dudes have been saying for the past 3 years.... now power resolution and performance doesn't matter again.. lol

Console dudes are gone at this point.

[UltraNova]

Ars:
"None of this is to say that Scorpio won't be an impressive piece of hardware or that it won't do 4K at all, but consumers should have realistic expectations. The hype train is always strong at E3, particularly where hardware is concerned, and I simply wouldn't expect Scorpio to be the all-singing, all-dancing 4K monster machine that console gamers can use to stick it to their PC-gaming friends. From what we know right now, the hardware specs simply don't support that level of performance.

That's not to mention that, if Microsoft is going with Vega, Scorpio is going to be a very expensive machine indeed."

http://arstechnica.com/gami...

[lelo2play]

Xbox Scorpio might be better but the PS4 Pro will sell more consoles, simply because it has more exclusives.
For a PC gamer there is no point waiting for Xbox Scorpio... also the one year advantage PS4 Pro has over Scorpio is a big plus for Sony.

Honestly, I think Xbox Scorpio will be DOA... unless it has a crap load of big exclusives we don't know about.

[VoodooProject]

All Playstation games will be in PSNOW. I can play those games on Samsung TV and Microsoft Windows PC. Sony doesn't have any exclusive anymore.

[BarneyS]

@voodooproject

You can play all PS4 games in PSnow? You must have the executive subscription that no one else has. You're so lucky dude.

[Redemption-64]

@voodoo, PS now does not include PS4 games, but nice try. Care to list all the PS4 games, such as Uncharted 4, infamous, DC, plus ratchet and clank that u can play?

[sammarshall102]

We'll be obviously seeing the next wave of Xbox games at E3 in June

And there's no way Xbox Scorpio will be DOA unless it's priced way too high

[Strikepackage Bravo]

What exclusives? I only know of God of War. The rest are indies, crap, or both. No one cares about the niche "exclusives" on ps4. When ps4 exclusives do eventually hit after being delayed, they tend to suck.

[Shineon]

but what about those who arent into PC
gaming???

[trooper_]

The console with the true exclusives win.

[JamesTramp]

Scorpio is clearly the superior console on specs. The blind loyalty to massive companies on this site is too pathetic to be annoying

[Teh_Leviathan]

I know, right?

[IceKoldKilla]

Specs don't matter unless it's really beyond the competition but even then Nintendo proved that without high specs it can release great games and sell a shit ton of games. They just tend to hit one gen and miss the other. It always comes down to where people's friends are, what exclusives might draw the consumer to the console and the price. Not everyone can afford consoles. Some might have to save up, some might be kids waiting for their parents to buy it for them, etc. For a parent of a 13 year old maybe a PS4 Slim is better because it's the cheapest. Even if you have enough money, hardware specs don't mean everything. PS4 Pro better show games that take full advantage of the system or else it won't have a selling point and Scorpio will get a lot of sales solely based on specs. It happened with PS4. Casual consumers heard PS4 was more powerful and cheaper and went with it. This time around PS4 Pro is cheaper (maybe?), it'll be out way sooner but won't be as powerful. We'll see.

[ZeroX9876]

hardware wise, well the scorpio. It's only coming out late 2017 so it has to be more powerful, hence what the extra waiting time is for.

PS2 came one year before the original Xbox. Even when it was under powered compared to the competition, it still came out on top.

PS3 cost was very high on launch and even later on in the generation, the price was always higher than the 360. The graphics on PS3 exclusives were amazing, but third party games ran better on the 360.And again in the long run, the PS3 was able to catch up to the 360 total sales, with ONE WHOLE YEAR behind.

So having said that, I'm pretty confident for the PS4 Pro.

[DeeBeers]

I'd say its whichever one has the games you want to play. In that respect I predict many opinions.

[glenisahat]

Doesn't matter cause I'll own both :D

[URNightmare]

I don't even know why people compares PS4 PRO with Scorpio. PS4 PRO is to be compared with XBO S, ffs!!!

[daynnight365]

Not on board with any mid-cycle console!

[Rimeskeem]

Everyone is going to say Scorpio simply because of the 6 TF.

[YinYangGaming]

Yeah having the GPU power certainly helps, I'm more interested in the new CPU technology and memory bandwidth, sounds very promising.

[meche334]

12gb and i hope to the lord above they're gonna use the new amd zen cpus that benchmark against the newer i7's

[EpicSandwich]

It's not even a contest the scorpio demolishes it

[SCW1982]

And my PC demolishes both but the problem is it can't play Sony exclusives, thus I still need a Sony console.

[Aenea]

For the Xbox fans that have already been waiting on things like The Cloud, DirectX 12 and other stuff that would make their Xbox more powerful, I really hope the Scorpio will indeed be more powerful than the PS4 Pro!

They deserve it! Then they can finally brag about having the best!

[Lsbb]

Scorpio has no games so it's easily the pro

[COMMENT-OF-THE-YEAR]

6tb isn't going to bring you native 4k, Even PC's with iCore7 and way faster/better gpu's have a hard time reaching this mark. You all will be eating your words next November. We are all getting up scaled games.

[BarneyS]

Xbox fans these days: May talk to you about our lord and savior Scorpio? It's going to have 6 TF and thats all I know about it. Power never mattered to me but now it does. Did I tell you it wil have a 6 TF gpu? With our lord scorpio I can forget about the secret sauce, dx12, cloud power and all that other bs that was going to destroy PlayStation. It's all about the teraflops now guys and there will be six of them. Praise lord scorpio!

(This is meant as a joke, dont take it too serious)

[Skillz1215]

so by your logic the original xbox demolished the ps2? I thought so......

[NXSwitch]

Its like MS taking candy from a baby....Oh wait they did!

[Unspoken]

Ouch, Sony is forcing you to pay more money for their exclusives and Microsoft is giving you a choice to play on console or PC at what ever resolution you desire? Sounds like we have a clear winner.

[S2Killinit]

Scorpio is a number, PS4Pro is a console, with games, im gonna take the console. Have fun playing with your 6teraflops.

Oh and coming up next, when scorpio actually materializes, lets compare it to the specs of PS5. Ok guys? See you in 14 months.

Lol at above "demolishes" it, with "6tfps" written on a piece of paper.

[gangsta_red]

Well considering that is what a lot of folks said for PS4 and X1 based on specs.

It will be interesting to see how good Scorpio games look and run especially since I read it will do native 4k gaming and not upscaled.

[Aenea]

It won't be doing native 4k gaming for most titles tho...

[ger2396]

Scorpio will do native 4k? That will be impressive for a console at a reasonable price.

[Angeljuice]

It won't do native 4k gaming as standard, 6Tflops isn't powerful enough for that. It will have a number of 4k games, but most content will be upscaled, just like the Pro.

Hopefully Microsoft will employ advanced techniques like Sony have to make the machine more powerful than its raw numbers suggest.

[LexHazard79]

@Aenea, it still will play games at 4K native, which was his point.

[Goldby]

@Bakpain.

Halo and Forza and Gears may be 4k native, but it will take a toll on the rest of the game, as for multiplats, defninitly no chance of native 4k gaming.

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

And the 12 gigs of ram.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

And because 12gb of 320+gb/sec GDDR5 vs Pro's 8gb of 270ish gb/sec RAM, Pro still uses the weak Jaguar 8 core CPU that EVERY dev has said is the underpowered part of this console gen if anything and it has only been slightly over clocked, probably 2+ghz per core vs PS4 1.6 and X1 1.75ghz. Scorpio uses an 8 core "Zen" CPU which you cant even buy yet. And then the obvious 6tflop Polaris GPU vs the 4.2tflop GPu in the Pro that uses "Some" Polaris features.

[Angeljuice]

Pro is a real console that you can buy and play games on. Scorpio only exists on paper and the chips don't even exist yet.

That makes the Pro infinitely more powerful at the moment (and for at least a year to come).

[UltraNova]

So basically all you are saying is that the current Xbox one and S that are inferior to even the OG ps4 are utter horse shit because 》Scorpio late 2017? Ok got it!

[t-hall785]

Not because of the 6 tf. but because it's native 4k not upscaled. 4k bluray support as well. (May not be a big deal to the gamers on this site but only 31% of the gaming population have the internet capability to stream in 4k. A lot of casual gamers see this as a big plus...so does mom and dad)

[NXSwitch]

Well isn't that what all 3rd parties brag about on how powerful they want their console to be? Now MS has the power so 3rd partes can't back track or try to fool gamers.

[S2Killinit]

Yeah its really retarded that they are comparing a current console with a theoretical number of 6tfps. Its like we have to take MS's word. We dont even know when the thing will be coming but somehow we are going to compare it to PS4pro. I guess once scorpio eventually comes out we can talk about how its underpowered comparrd to the PS5.

[EpicSandwich]

Scorpio is the clear and easy winner hear. Native 4k gaming will blow minds

[Aenea]

I don't get it, first you say the winner will be the Scorpio, then you mention native 4k gaming which doesn't go with the Scorpio either since it also won't be able to do that. People are delusional if they believe that a 6TFlops console can do native 4k gaming!

[EpicSandwich]

Youre delusional if you think it won't.

[fanboysmackdown]

You are the delusional one.....in time we'll see lots of native 4k games after devs get accustomed to the new hardware. What do you think, we're stuck in a time warp where nothing evolves? What we can't do today means shit to what things will be like in say three years.

[LexHazard79]

I think you're upset that the Scorpio will in fact run some games at native 4K and that the PS4 Pro will only upscale it. Its ok you know just enjoy the PS4 Pro and let the Xbox fans drool rabbid over what the Scorpio could be.

[Aenea]

@bakpain

Nah, I'm not, it's just odd that Xbox fans believe that 6Tflops Scorpio will give them native 4k on ALL games. Some games I'm sure it can, some games on the PS4 Pro do too as well, but neither is fast enough to do it for ALL games, that's my point.

@fanboysmackdown

Developers getting accustomed to developing for the new machines doesn't mean they can suddenly squeeze more out of it without resorting to tricks to reach 4k. That I believe the Scorpio can't do it has nothing whatsoever to do with being stuck in a time warp where nothing evolves, that's a silly notion. The hardware is limited, doesn't mean it can do everything one wants it to do.

I do know that the Scorpio will be capable of showing better images at an upscaled 4k resolution. The PS4 Pro upscales for instance from 1800p/1890p/1980p while the Scorpio can create sharper images by going a bit higher but if a dev wants to keep the same graphics fidelity as for 1080p they won't be able to go native 4k. Look at many games on either console, they can't always handle 1080p well with a steady frame rate, if they go for native 4k the un-steady frame rate will remain so they go sit slightly lower just like the Xbox does now with some games in 900p. It's not as big a deal as some of you might think, it will create stunning results and since it's more powerful than the PS4 Pro it will look better on the Scorpio when it's being examined by a DigitalFoundry for instance.

So don't worry, I'm not trying to bash the Scorpio in any way, it will deliver better visuals than the PS4 Pro, I just highly doubt that 6Tflops will be enough to do so in native 4k for all games.

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@Mystogan

Like how they delivered The Cloud or any of the other secret sauces? Nah, like Sony it's just marketing drivel. Besides, they said they would do 4k but they also mentioned a lot of stupid crap like "highest quality uncompressed pixels", am sure they will deliver on those too :D

Seriously though, 6Tflops is not gonna manage native 4k@60fps. And if you think they are going to put 2 of them in there in a CrossFire setup the console will absolutely not be $399!

[PutridPlop]

Who said that the Scorpio wouldn't be able to do native 4K? All I've seen is salty fanboys saying that kind of crap. I haven't seen any irrefutable factual evidence supported by any credible developer to say otherwise.
Microsoft has said that they asked developers what it would take to do 4K gaming and their answer was 6 teraflops. So instead we're supposed to believe what a bunch of salty fanboys say? lol

[Mystogan]

Microsoft was shitting on sony because the PS4pro wasn't Native 4K 60fps. You better believe they're going to make that happen. Otherwise they wouldn't be boasting about it. My guess is, it will either result in more than 6Tflops. Or the CPU is going to be one hell of a beast. Or maybe they're gonna reveal that its actually 2x 6tflop GPU in SLI(Crossfire). Trust me, when MS is this confident about something. They're definitely going to deliver.

[finbars75]

I actually agree with Aenea. Developers have already come out and said even with 6 tflps it wont be able to do 4k native. I really think you guys need to read more into how 4k native can possibly work. The Scorpio will most likely be a little more powerful but not be able to do 4k native like everyone thinks it will. I think Sony was smart and releasing the PS4 pro 1 year early it will give them a huge advantage. The PS4 pro isnt going up against the Xboxo s since we clearly see that its a step up from that and we have no idea about the Scorpio except that it has 6 tflps which means nothing. I think Sony is batteling themselves right now for the top spot. I have no reason to buy a console when most of there games are on PC now so the Scorpio basically is irrelevant to me.

[Aenea]

Haha, okay, somehow MS can magically squeeze native 4k gaming out of every single (or at least most) games on the Scorpio on hardware which isn't fast enough to do so!

Go look how good PC's with a 6Tflop GPU can handle native 4k, you will know then that it's not possible.

[Movefasta1993]

You have a comment for anyone saying anything positive about the Scorpio ...chill.

[n4rc]

While I'm a bit in the middle on this one, you do realize these consoles aren't PCs? They don't share the same overhead and can be optimized a hell of alot more

But I do agree we aren't seeing battlefield etc at 4k.. but those middle of the road games graphically? I don't see why 6tf can't do 4k/30

[FlyingFoxy]

@n4rc Consoles do have better optimisation, but these days it doesn't make a huge difference.. Digital Foundry showed you could build a cheapish PC with perf very close or basically identical to PS4.

And it doesn't cost a huge amount more to get a much better graphics card that will run circles around it not just match it.. PC's can already do 4K/30fps with med/high settings, it's 4K with solid 60fps that is the problem right now and why most gamers upgrade to 1440p screens instead.

[ghaleon1980]

@Aena: You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Everyone and their mother knows that consoles can do much more performance wise with less due less demands on resources. Just because a PC can't crank out stable 4K gaming with 6Tflops in no way means the Scorpio can't.

[lastking95]

Consoles are optimized better than pc counterparts. You get more meat off the bone for consoles than you would for a pc.

[Aenea]

@n4rc

Exactly, that is my point! The Scorpio will probably have more games in native 4k than the PS4 Pro and it will also have more games that DigitalFoundry will say of that the Scorpio has the higher render resolution (like it is now, but reversed between PS4 and X1), but neither will run the big AAA multiplat games at native 4k @60fps. That's technically not possible.

Sure with tricks and upscaling techniques they can get something on the screen that will look fabulous and better than the PS4 Pro, so Xbox fans don't need to worry about that.

@ghaleon1980

Haha yeah, am a hardware and software noob, I don't know how to optimise code in x86 assembly or know how to code in C or C++ (or a whole slew of other languages), heck what do I know about coding for hardware at a low-level, right?

Anyhoo, it's kinda funny that in some discussions with Xbox fans the Scorpio is just like a PC and in other discussions it suddenly is a real console. I do believe it actually is a real console and not a PC (and won't run Win10/UWP games without having to port it and it most certainly won't run Steam), and yes am sure devs, especially first party ones, will optimise the crap out of it to get the best results possible, but most AAA game devs will not be spending oodles of time endlessly optimising their code.

Heck, this is exactly what I've been telling when the first rumours of the Neo came out, that devs won't like the idea of having to optimise for more than one machine, but plenty of people, fans from both camps when the Scorpio rumours were added, told me that it would be easy as all heck, that it would just be like developing for PC, just another set of optimal settings, like you, told me I didn't know anything, but that means they are not optimising for the specific hardware, if they do they will spend quite a bit of time on that for X1, X1 Scorpio, PS4 and PS4 Pro all needing different things to optimise. That is not going to happen, maybe at first party devs, but not 3rd party ones.

@FlyingFoxy

Yep, and that's what I'm saying, if PC's currently can't even handle 4k@60fps or even 4k@30fps with Ultra settings why on earth would a console with lesser specs be able to do so? Yes, optimisations, not gonna happen as often as people would like, not with 3rd party devs having to crank out PC version with variable settings (which are not optimised for any specific hardware), X1, X1 Scorpio, PS4 and PS4 Pro versions...

[Aenea]

@Movefasta

I have a reply for everyone that is spouting unrealistic expectations for the Scorpio, especially when they are trying to downplay the PS4 Pro in the same comment :)

Again, the Scorpio will probably be the better machine, DigitalFoundry videos will surely show that on a 4k screen games look better on it, but it won't do native 4k for all games with just 6Tflops...

[COMMENT-OF-THE-YEAR]

6tb is not enough push to do native 4k. If you know anything about specs, You would know this. Pc's with iCore7's and way better gpu's.

[ger2396]

But in the real world the ps4 pro is the winner, it ships his year.the Scorpio only exists in theory. By that logic the ps5 will blow Scorpio out of the water.

[sammarshall102]

But we already know it has to be 6 tflops and developers already have the SDK's so it is more than a concept or theory

[Angeljuice]

@EpicSandwich

6Tflops doesn't mean native 4k anything. In fact you could fill those 6Tflops with masses of effects and AA and be unable to render anything above 900p if you so choose.

Native 4k gaming will only be possible on certain games that aren't too graphically advanced.

Native 4k on Scorpio is like 1080p/60 on X1, yes it is possible, yes people believed it would mean 1080p/60 on all X1 games before it launched, yes it failed to deliver on that front.

[Skillz1215]

thats cool and all but as of this moment your console of choice is a 900p-792p nightmare of a machine

[bradleejones]

hear? serious?

[gigoran]

lol @EpicSandwich

microsoft has already admitted it wont be native 4k.but hey, if you wanna argue with a fact from the horses mouth... be my guest

[TranceHop]

The Scorpio is on another level

[Aenea]

Yeah, still on the "looks good on paper" stage!

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@sammarshall102

Which the PS4 currently is and the PS4 Pro will be in two months, yes :)

Sony has the most powerful console for 3 years already, now with the PS4 Pro another year is added to that, then the Scorpio will be the most powerful console. It can enjoy that status for 2 years, but 8 months after it's release the tables will be turned again when Sony at E3 2018 announces the PS5 which will release November 2019.

This whole idea is pointless now, this will keep going on until both decide to stop making consoles, one will hop over the other, then the next, etc., etc.

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@illAmpThunder

Xbox will release a new console the year after the PS5, so both are equally as bad. And 3 or 4 years apart isn't really all that quick in my eyes...

[sammarshall102]

And when it goes into production it'll end up the most powerful gaming console

[SkippyPaccino]

Probably still just scribbled numbers on a cocktail napkin... Lol

[Goldby]

@Skippy

Harry Potter and the Scorpio of Tomorrow

[illAmpThunder]

wtf i thought the ps4 pro is going to be the ps5,, why the fuck would sony do this to its fanbase realease so many consoles so quickly together

[zivtheawesome]

as long as it only has mp games (which i heard even their quality is going down) and bad sp games (QB) scorpio will lose in the long run

[S2Killinit]

Have you heard about the PS5? It will have 12TF. Oh DAAAMN scorpio is so getting destroyed. Thats how you sound.

[TranceHop]

STFU

[Neonridr]

uhhh.. 4.2 vs 6 TFLOPS. and 4K Bluray drive vs none in Pro (assuming the Scorpio has it considering the S has it).

That's about the only comparison we can have. We know very little about the Scorpio so a little early to being any sort of comparison.

[Aenea]

And since both can't do native 4k gaming and both have to rely on tricks and upscaling I doubt many will be able to see the difference just like many people claim to not notice when a game on the X1 renders in 720p/900p instead of 1080p on the PS4...

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@fanboysmackdown

Such a potty mouth! It sounds like you feel bad about having had the lesser of the consoles for 3 years already and now, for the next year, an even more powerful PS4 will take it's predecessors place!

Everyone seems to always assume when you try to correct someone that it always has to be because you're a fan of some other piece of plastic while I always go against people who say silly things, sue me for that, ok?

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@n4rc

Xbox fans have been claiming they can't see the difference while playing for years now, I'm sure Sony fans will say the same damn thing after the Scorpio releases :)

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@aawells07
Yeah, I should post a lot less, I know :)

Making dinner now, good excuse to be sitting here and educate you people while I have to keep running to kitchen a few times anyways :)

[fanboysmackdown]

You're coming across like such a butthurt fanboy because you're favorite console maker will be sucking hind tit in the power department. You fannies need to get over yourselves.

[n4rc]

Haha. So you won't tell the difference but people just claim to not see it now?

Classic :)

[Keltech]

Fanboy, hate to break it to you; you're the on that sounds "butthurt". Arena is telling you to keep dreaming if you think all games will be native 4k and you all get your panties in a bunch. Scorpio just might be able to play Tetris or maybe a small indie game in native 4k. It's also funny how the media is pinning these 2 consoles when one is coming out in November with 4.2tf and the other one is a promise with 6tf. Why doesn't the media compare it to the console that is out now?

Arena, write all these fools names down so you can throw it in their face when the time comes. Hopefully some of these Xbox fanboys will disappear just like the beginning of this generation.

[Neonridr]

not too many games on X1 do only 720p now. Seems like X1 does either 900 or 1080. But yes, your point is valid.

[AAWELLS09]

You're a busy bee following up all these comments about the Scorpio. lmao. You have your work cut out for you for a long time if this sort of thing bothers you.

[lastking95]

You're not tired of being wrong? No one expects halo 6 to be 4k nor do i want it to. (1080p,60fps ultra graphics and fx) but a forza 7 will be, ori on scorpio would be.

[Antnee534]

Xbox Scorpio wins being that's it's a next gen system with full backwards compatibility with the xb1

[Wallstreet37]

Loses by default has none of those awesome Sony exclusves lol sucks to be a non sony gamer :)

[Majister-Ludi]

We have been over this many times but your are a child Wallstreet. As someone who doesn't miss out on anything since I own them all please tell me about all these must have ps exclusives because the last one I played was uncharted and before that was bloodbourne and now waiting on horizon. Yea God knows I couldn't survive without those 3 games. Ps only gamers need to get the fuck over themselves and stop acting like they have all the games. Sorry but best games this gen all multiplat not even up for debate. Keep worshipping your plastic box it's a good look for you.

[Wallstreet37]

Majister....

We been through this before hop off my %uts if you don't like what I got to say dispute it with facts not bs rhetoric. The one worshipping a box is you I'm just stating facts that got you salty and butthurt lol smh FoH just bloodborne and Uncharted huh? Sucks to be you I loved Driveclub, Infamous, loveeee mlb the show, Until Dawn, Resogun, etc.... Get it out your system buddy you'll be ok the tears will dry away. Definitely more games on ps4 to choose from and not just bs sequels lol or the holy four. Constantly new IPS and games fostered get over it. The fact Sony has more variety and higher rated exclusives isn't subjective but of course you'll spin a nice web to try to fut your agenda. This time it was.....only two Sony exclusives you enjoyed lol

[sammarshall102]

Yes backwards compatible, 4K movies without streaming, best online network, best controller, best games (IMO) better tech

[Goldby]

hmmm. 30+ dolalrs for a movie you'll watch once, or 6.99 for 4k streamed movie through PSN. don't even need to wait in line at Best buy for that. let me know how the 4k version of TVshows is working for MS

[Aenea]

PS4 pro:

- plays my PS4 games
- available this year

What else do you want?

[zivtheawesome]

you also forgot amazing exclusives

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

So did Sony.

[zivtheawesome]

@DJustinUNCHAIND
Dude what? ps4 exclusives are pretty awesome. UC4 was a masterpiece, i heard R&C, a lot more other games and their upcoming exclusivies which looks incredible

[Goldby]

4k streaming through Netflix ✔
4k streaming for movies through online store✔
4k streaming for tv channels without the need of a set top box✔
best exclusives✔
free HDR✔

Slim is still smaller than one s and pro is thinner ✔

[aconnellan]

So Sony, with their sometimes-stable-sometimes-que stionable online infrastructure, is going to make you rely on streaming to get the most out of your new console?

How's your internet? Because that's largely going to determine how much you get out of your PS4Pro. Plus, by not including the BluRay UHD, that leaves plenty of room for it to become the 'always online' DRM console that PlayStatiom gamers always supposedly hated

[ninsigma]

Power wise Scorpio is the winner (going by that Ms said it'll be 6tf). For me though ps4 pro is the winner. It'll be out in 2 months giving 4k gaming and has better exclusive experiences so it's the place for me.

[Movefasta1993]

Not native 4K gaming . That's like saying upscaled 1080p gaming no it's either 4K or it's upscaled

[ninsigma]

I know not native. Neither are powerful enough.

[Goldby]

@Movefasta
Scorpio wont do native 4k for every game either. so whats your point?

[Angeljuice]

Neither will be 4k native, what's your point?

[Hliouxas]

From my point of view , there is no need to have a really powerfull console to "extend" a current generation of platform and sony went the right way combining price and perfomance but... .I mean how much lifespan does these things have when PS5 or XboxTwo hit the market? I think people who already own PS4 and Xbox One should stick to their current systems. Anyone who missed out on PS4 and XboxOne maybe should give them a try , although i'd stick to the older models cause of the lower price and slightly better resolutions and some Antialiasing isn't worth 399 or 499 (Scorpio price???) or more....

[PizzaSteve]

PS4 Pro for games
Scorpio for UHD Movies
https://a2ua.com/lol/lol-00...

[Elda]

Yep!

[Wallstreet37]

Ps4 Pro, its tangible and the most powerful console. Scorpio is a lot of hot air as of now with nothing shown just a promise. What we know ? Wtf do we know about Scorpio that it'll be 6tf according to Microsoft and comes out more than a year from now. Sorry we know nothing.

[Majister-Ludi]

No you know nothing but we all knew that.

[Wallstreet37]

Majister....

Take that cornball logic somewhere else your not cool and your comment impressed no one on here lol. When you show me the console than let's talk butthurt fanboy.

[SynestheticRoar]

I'll stick with my original PS4, and my pimp out PC.

[Goldby]

dont forget to call up Xzibit so you can have a fiush tank installed in the middle of you rig

[Somedudeoverhere]

I think PlayStation nailed the balance, because 4k gaming won't be fully ready before the next generation. PS4 Pro doesn't leave PS4 and Slim behind (HDR for all !). PS4 Pro is an alternative for those who wants to stay a little more updated, and it's necessary to push 4k enabled devices on the marked so that 4k tvs becomes the standard. At this price, and scorpio not being out yet, it's gonne be guud.

The PS4 Pro is ugly though

[Somedudeoverhere]

The compitition here is PS4 Pro and the Xbox One S for the time being.
Scorpio will come in late
Probably better to build a pc instead

[MasterCornholio]

I agree that the PS4 Pros competition will be the Xbox One S that costs 399$. The 299$ Xbox One S will compete with the PS4 Slim.

In short the Xbox One S is competition with two Sony consoles.

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

The reason why Andrew House thought that the Scorpio reveal was very interesting was because he knew they were going to get blown out of the water.

[Doabarrelroll]

Let's be honest even if the PS4 pro had the almighty UHD that is EXTREMELY necessary for gaming apparently with everything else not mattering, with a great price point 4K upscale, HDR and everything else, xbox gamers would still just mention Scorpio. I mean have people seem the guys here who have been trashing the PS4 pro. I dare any Xbox gamer to claim this site is only full of Sony fanboys after today.

It's ironic really, Xbox gamers have always joked about Sonys tag "greatness awaits" and claimed PS4 gamers have to wait for everything, yet it seems like they're the ones always waiting do the following phrases sound familiar to anyone:

Wait for titanfall
Wait for DX12
Wait for the cloud
Wait for halo 5
Wait for ESram
Wait for 2015 greatest games line up
Wait for China launch
Wait for Xbox price drop
Wait for Xbox to launch in more countries
Wait for BC
Wait for Phil spencer to finish getting his haircut

Now it's wait for scorpio, really though, they can mock PS4 pro all they want, when it sells well and wins NPD after NPD, they'all go back to damage controlling and claiming media bias and just mention "wait for Scorpio"

[SpaceRanger]

^^^This is what I've been talking about. Thank you!

I could care less about NPD since we know who will be on top. I can't wait to hear Xbox fanboys say "PS4 Pro sales can't compare to Scorpio's...but we'll still compare specs". It's just been promises all gen long, with some actually coming true but falling flatter than a pancake. All I know is...one is coming out in two months and the other is still only on paper.

[sammarshall102]

Wait for The Order
Wait for No Man's Sky
Wait for The Last Guardian
Wait for God of War
Wait for Persona 5
Wait for 1080p 60fps
Wait for GPUGPU

Sales mean nothing

[ger2396]

Hmm, all this time companies have been going about it the wrong way. Instead of making money, they should give their products away.

[Doabarrelroll]

Funny I don't remember any Sony fans praising any of those things as the end of Xbox like Xbox gamers have done the following, sounds to me you just made your comment up to try and retort me but instead you look foolish congrats

[Roronoa0411]

most of those games aren't out yet… reaching much?

[Angeljuice]

Except the boards here are full of the "waits" that Doabarrelroll mentioned, whereas yours represent less than 1% of that total.

Seriously, there are hundreds of pages of Xbox one fans saying "wait for ...", It doesn't work the other way round as the " wait for's" are always about the XBox One suddenly growing in power to match (or beat) the PS4 's performance.

He could have added;

"Wait for the second, secret GPU to be activated"!!!!

Seriously, the number of nutters on thithis site that believed

[Angeljuice]

"Wait for the second, secret, hidden GPU to be switched on"

That's the one that blew me away, just how much of a mental case do you need to be to believe that kind of BS.

[livedeht]

Personally I thought the order was good but short (meh QTE'S but solid TPS with stunning to this day graphics). And I am currently playing through NMS as we speak (repetitive game play loop but the short stories and OMNI cover like graphics are crazy). I will buy a ps4pro for my primary in my game room and put my og ps4 in the living room (I have og xbones in each room already) I will get a gaming pc b4 I get a Scorpio just due to the fact a Nvidia 1070 is 400$ now, not year it will be 200$... with free MP and steam... and win 10 store...and faster then scorpio...today (BTW that is xbones not xboneS lol)

[SweatyFlorida]

I mean spec wise it should be obvious, but at the cost of power it comes out a FULL YEAR later than Pro. This somewhat reminds me of 360 vs PS3 launch, Ps3 aiming to be "premium with lots of power", yet did terribly due to price tag (partly because of blu ray, but scorpio will also include 4k bluray drive, which DOES raise cost), came out a year later, and in the end the power wasn't too much of a game breaker since the differences weren't that far apart (difference in gpu of scorpio and pro is only 1.8 tf, if you thought you barely saw a difference of the games visuals from the pro conference, wait to you see how little difference there will be between pro>scorpio).

The difference here is that Sony's the top dog with the cheaper "premium" console and with a lead head start, while microsoft is playing catch up yet coming out a year later with a more powerful, and presumably expensive console. Idk, things are getting interesting to say the least with these new "mid-gen" iterations.

[Angeljuice]

One is real, exists now and released in a few weeks, the other only exists on paper and the APU it will use hasn't even been finalised yet.

PS4Pro is currently the most powerful, when Scorpio is real it will take its place.

The big question is whether or not there will be a noticeable difference between the two graphically.

[aconnellan]

That's definitely the big question. I'd hazard a guess and say it will, given the power difference (there are already comparison articles between games running on the PS4 and PS4Pro, which has less of a power gap, so it's not a huge leap in logic to make).

What will be interesting to see is how devs make use of the power in both the Pro and Scorpio. I'd much rather 'we used all this extra power to bring you these features in our game, plus a stable frame rate/res' than 'well it's like a last gen game I guess, but at least we hit that resolution sweet spot!'

[senorfartcushion]

Erm.......

...........

........

Shouldn't this be Ps4 Pro VS Xbox One S?

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

ONE S still wins.

[Doabarrelroll]

Please explain how it wins, oh wait your just an Xbox fanboy, YOU CANT.

PS4 pro does everything the XBS can, with more power at an extra 50$. Seeing is how the PS4 has been more expensive than the XBO, for the last two years cause of price drops that shouldn't be a problem. Oh wait I forgot it doesn't have a Ultra blue ray, GASP! man I forgot when Sony announced at E3 that all future PS4 games will require that the console have one to play games man. DARN YOU SONY DARN YOU! Now I won't be able to play games at better Framrates and resolution. OH WAIT

[senorfartcushion]

Doabarrelroll

I'm not a Magpie Gamer i.e. the prettier a game is, the better it is. And as of today, Digital Foundry have found next to no benefit in the Pro's added specs/abilities.

This is the Wii compared to the 360/ps3 here. It is a generation filler, a director's cut of an older console and like it or not but Sony were eseentially duped by Microsoft and you know as well as i do that if they could take the Pro back in exchange for the money and resources to make another, more powerful console they would.

They made an error. They added a sprinkling of cheese to a pizza while Microsoft were baking 3 pizzas behind their back.

[MasterCornholio]

We can compare those two directly at least. And include the PS4 slim into the comparison.

Whats true is that consumers will be able to choose the PS4 Pro, PS4 Slim or the Xbox One S this holiday season.

Scorpio is just a video with a bunch of developers calling it a monster and a 6TF figure at the end of it. We don't know enough to compare the two. Like for example what will Scorpios Lineup be?

[aconnellan]

We definitely don't have enough info to compare them. But Scorpio's lineup will be whatever is on the Xbox One at the time, plus whatever new games are coming out (which you're right, we don't know yet).

Loosely related - people keep making comments as if it's going to have exclusives, like "it won't launch with any games", as if they forgot it's still in the Xbox family. It's the same as the Pro, which doesn't have any exclusives either - it's literally just what's on the PS4 right now, but played with better performance

[sammarshall102]

It's funny how you guys are trying to separate the Pro and Scorpio just because the Scorpio wins the comparisons

@Doabarrelroll No the Pro can't do everything the One S can lol

[senorfartcushion]

Not really. The specs are reportedly too far apart.

People thought of the Wii as a gap in the generation. I didn't but there was 1 Wii and not any other console.

[MasterCornholio]

From what we know so far.

PS4 Pro

399$
4.2 Teraflops GPU
Upgraded CPU
Releases November 10th
Confirmed games that support Pro mode.

Project Scorpio
Price Unknown
Exact Release date unknown
6 Teraflops
Some developers like calling it a monster

With not enough information I can't really compare Scorpio to NEO. Scorpio will be stronger but everything else is unkown.

[EpicSandwich]

Everything else is unknown the scorpio could be even more of a beast then we know

[trouble_bubble]

PSPro4neo is the most powerful console that youll be able to buy this year and for most of next. HankScorpio will be the most powerful after that. It's that simple. The year after that it might be something else.

The Scorpio victory parades are getting a bit silly though. Im seeing a growing "war's over" sentiment that's based on ignoring everything that's already happened this gen or will happen for the next 12+ months. Like suddenly the years of 900p multiplats and lesser frames never happened.

[EpicSandwich]

They happened but a . 5 tf difference between xbox one and ps4 is NOTHING compared to a 2tf and 4gb extra difference between scorpio and pspro

[etownone]

Fact is Scorpio will be, without a doubt, the most powerful console when it's released.

[Angeljuice]

Just as PS4 Pro will be when it releases.

[EpicSandwich]

For a few months

[BigGamersSmallTalk]

Well Xbox Scorpio will be able to do native 4K gaming, and it'll likely have use of Oculus or Vive. Also, Microsoft seems to be able to get their big AAA exclusives out on time. If it has a 4K Blu-ray player it'll be the trifecta win.

[Doabarrelroll]

•Xbox Scorpio haven't been seen running any games yet quit saying it will do native 4K 60 like its factual
•Sony has PSVR which has had positive previews and opinions
•I didn't know fable legends, phantom dust, scalebound, crackdown 3, below cup head, halo wars 2, quarter break, sea of thieves all released as planned or will go to know
•Didn't know 4K blue ray was necessary for gaming.

[zb1ftw777]

Scorpio wins easy.

[thenerdiestcool]

My PC is better than a Scorpio RIGHT NOW. Therefore, I already own a Scorpio and I didn't spend $600 to get it. Nor did I have to wait til Holiday 2017. I'm getting a PS4Pro because I have a 4K TV and a fully paid VR preorder. I fully plan to take my Pro to Thanksgiving with the fam and let everyone try VR. Have fun waiting on Scorpio.

[sammarshall102]

Nobody wants to game on PC

Those that do, don't even have good enough rigs to play most Xbox games

[starrman1985]

The Scorpio without a doubt.. software is a different ball-park but the Scorpio will be the better machine, this is almost a certainty.

[ger2396]

Hypothetically of course.

[starrman1985]

Well, if the Scorpio internals stay as they are it's almost certain... but yes, of course it's hypothetical - the Scorpio isn't out!

[StrangeColors]

I am STILL waiting for Xbox One to add an option to hear IN GAME voice chat via your TV or Home Theater System, while using a headset.

Xbox Scorpio will have the same problem, it's hilarious and sad that Xbox One still lacks that basic feature.

Microsoft should stay in their own lane and stick to only releasing windows operating systems.

[madmonkey01]

the one that exists in physical form.

[sammarshall102]

Scorpio has been confirmed to have a ultra blu-ray drive so that adds way more value and it has way more power for games

[Goldby]

800hp cars are great and all, but when you dont have tires for it, it doesn't get very far

[Angeljuice]

It hasn't been confirmed at all. In fact their latest interview said that it was "targeting" a UHD drive.

They will drop the drive if the format fails (it is selling terribly at the moment).

[343_Guilty_Spark]

I like how Sony fans make it seem like their exclusives are doing gang busters at retail. Aside from Uncharted 4 which had a historic launch, Sony exclusives haven't sold crazy numbers like that.

The three reasons why PS4 sold better were:

1) Price $400 vs $500
2) More powerful and better performance = better multiplats
3) The Xbox Reveal

That's it. The PS4 became the default console for multiplats, because it performs better and it was cheaper (initially).

If the Scorpio is priced reasonably and is viewed as a very premium product it will sell tons. People love next generation consoles.

[ger2396]

What's a reasonable price? $500- $600?
4k isn't even the standard yet, the majority of people are using 1080p televisions. Good luck try to sell it to the masses at that price. Scorpio will be a niche product just like the elite controller.

[aconnellan]

Hit the nail on the head.

People seem to forget just how horrible the Xbox reveal was. I still talk to people today who think that you can't trade in Xbox games, and the reason they bought a ps4 is so they can lend games between their friends.

That, plus people on this site keep talking about "hey remember DRM? That's why PS4 is better" as if it was actually implemented, which of course it wasn't

If both consoles are Olympic runners, and the Xbox tripped at the starting line, you can bet it's going to take a long time to catch up and win the consumer back. Sony had so much momentum from that it's not even funny.

And then people attribute it to other factors like "because of their treatment of indie devs". Yep, I'm sure tens of millions of people bought a big publisher's console because they were friendly to smaller developers.

Every bit helps, but your points are spot on

[LoveSpuds]

Playstation is a far more popular brand worldwide and has 15 months (probably more) before the Scorpio releases to rack up a sales advantage.

I would imagine around launch time for Scorpio, Sony will announce PS5 with a specification that overshadows the MS console....That's what I would anyway.

[tulholdren]

For me the Pro since i like Sony exclusives the other would be a paper weight since i don't like there exclusives. I don't believe in buying something if i have no use for it.

[Elimin8]

WTF twinfinite? 2 lines of text relating to the article then hitting the next button takes you to another 2 lines. with pages loaded with duplicate ads? WTF man WTF!

[airforcex]

Spec wise, no contest, Scorpio.

[THC CELL]

Guys first Xbox was more powerful then ps2 did not stop sony then plus u won't see games use full power of both Consoles showen here today for next 2.5 Years by then ps5 will be drawn up

[Lsbb]

Wait so now power is important? Hypocrites everywhere.

[Elda]

Not if it's only putting out 3 exclusive games per year.

[Elda]

The machine with the variety of original console exclusives of course.

[ziggurcat]

Spec-wise, it's pretty clear Scorpio has the better specs. Game-wise, though, that just comes down to personal preference. I'll definitely be buying Scorpio once it hits the market, so I'll be able to enjoy all games from both systems.

[medman]

I have always preferred Sony consoles, and it has nothing to do with specs, but with exclusives, and in that regard, Sony is still leading the way for me personally. But I cannot deny that the Scorpio appears to be the superior tech, and by quite a good margin. Sony's baffling decision to not include a 4k blu ray player in what is supposed to be a 4k capable console just put the nail in the coffin. Makes no sense at all. Very disappointing to me personally, and while I was absolutely planning on buying the ps4 neo, now I see what the ps4 pro is, and the lack of 4k blu ray makes it a dead console for me. I won't buy it. I cannot fathom Sony's decision on this. It's maddening, really.

[BenRC01]

Scorpio doesn't exist.

[fabiani]

Lol the difference wont be worth it really.games wont look much better for a loong time.if your a pixel counter sure n perhaps more onscreen thats about it

[PunisherRevenge]

Lol...At all this damage controlling in this comment section. ....lol

[DaDrunkenJester]

Hilarious, right?

[GrimmyReaper]

This is not to sound mean or anything but please be honest.

How many here actually have a 4K tv?

No one in my family, my gf's family, my friends, even friends online I know have one.
Is it actually a standard in America?

[DaDrunkenJester]

Not a lot of people have it, just like not a lot of people having gaming PC's even though they claim they do.

[GrimmyReaper]

I dunno. I have a gaming PC.
I bench marked it and it can do 4k but where I live, 4k tv's are just insanely expensive.

I was mostly curious because many people seemed so upset about the ps4 pro not being 4k native and while I understand that isn't future proof, it makes me wonder if 4k was already a standard for so many

[feraldrgn]

People without a 4K tv can benefit too apparently:

press-start.com.au/features/2 016/09/08/exactly-ps4-pro-can-e nhance-gaming-experience/

[DaDrunkenJester]

So Sony Ponies how does it feel that your ultimate console is facing actual competition from the competitors budget console?

[Babadook7]

Going by what we know Scorpio will be 40% more powerful. But will come out a long time later. It will also likely be about $200 more when it finally ships. You are unlikely to notice the extra 40% unless you have giant 4K tv. So it's a toss up as to which is better. Until you factor in exclusives. PS4 family has the advantage all considered.

[kenwonobi]

The one year advantage is huge. I think Scorpio shot itself in the fiit with Sony being first. The foothold might be too big if people buy Pro.

[GribbleGrunger]

Which is better? The console that actually exists.

[OCEANGROWNKUSH]

Scorpio will be more powerful but the price will be higher. If they can get it to even $499 id be surprised. I dont think a $549 or even $599 price point would be out of the question, considering that current market gpu's in similar spec are going to run around $400 alone.

[Kingoftherodeo]

you are playing your self if you think 4pro is better than pre-scorpio release specs. but i doubt sony is gonna let MS have the advantage i feel like they will launch another console to compete with scorpio same year or 2018.

[NXSwitch]

Trending on Reddit, For once Sony has finally done something that tells their image & that they manage to find a word that goes along with Pro. Everyone meet the PS4Tro for the Trolling fans!

[Miraak82]

I'm not ready to catch up to the future , I'll let the future tech catch up to me when it becomes standard and affordable ... but for now I'll pick myself up a new slim in the next couple weeks :p can't wait ...need .... to .... play .... DS3 dlc next month ... I'd rather have a new ps4 (slim) now then wait a couple more months since my last ps4 fried from a lighting strike surge

[Trekster_Gamer]

No contest Scorpio!

Unless you are a blind fanboy!

[DarXyde]

In terms of specs (thus, inevitably, performance), Scorpio. There's a notable performance gap. At 6+ TF to a 4.2. TF machine, at the very least, you're looking at a console that is the power of the PS4 + PS4 Pro. That's not really up for discussion, especially when 6 TF is the minimum of what is expected. This does not include CPU power either and I highly doubt Microsoft will cripple it by giving it the same CPU as a standard Xbox One.

In terms of games, it's a matter of preference. I would definitely say PlayStation. More exclusives and more games I care about. Games with niche followings that I enjoy. Plenty of RPGs, experimental games, artsy games, and Naughty Dog titles.

At the end of the day...who really cares? Buy one, play it, be happy.

[PistolsAtDawn]

Scorpio in every sense. I fail to see a reason to even get a Pro at this point.

[Segata]

Meh power isn't the deciding factor no matter what hype machines say. It's still exclusives and support and PS4 still wins. XBO has practically no Japanese support. Most the games I like come from there so why I still have no interest in XBO outside a single game not out yet. I'm not a Sony or MS fan. Just how I see it. In console wars often consoles with less power than the competition ended up winning,mainly as they just had the games. Also a PC is more powerful than Scorpio and can get all XBO game son PC so eh.

[LastCenturyRob]

Well, lets face facts. Large studios will put their headline, AAA games on the most powerful hardware first or usually with exclusive content and/or early DLC. COD did this on the 360, then on the PS4 and will most likely do the same on the Scorpio when released. Whichever console the most popular third party games favor is usually the one that sells the most.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

The Scorpio probably will win the tech battle this time around because Sony might think they don't need to go all out anymore now that they have the lead but I still stick to the PS as my main console because it just has the games I want to play and I just have a long history with the PS brand. I still remember my time with the PS1 *___*

So yeah, I believe Scorpio will be much more powerful but my heart is still with PS. I hope Sony will concentrate on releasing amazing games to go against the better hardware MS has to offer. Because games are what make a console successful. The hardware is just the bait for consumers as well as developers.

[Midane]

Third party devs will most likely push for console parity, delivering 4k/30 or 1080/60 on both systems. In the end it all comes down to exclusives and I wouldn't be surprised to see console exclusives hit native 4k/30. Yes, we are talking about 4.2 and 6 TFLOPS machines, but we also need to keep in mind that exclusive titles are being developed for a closed system, where developers like Naughty Dog can squeze all the system power. Great times ahead for gaming. I am welcoming the "new" consoles, as PC gaming is also going to benefit from it, due to the eye candy and improved graphics (better 3rd party games ports coming to PC).

[gigoran]

One is current gen and one is next gen. so while one may beat the other, the loser will release a proper next gen system when its ready and blow this one out of the water

[Markusb33]

I'm not sure how you compare a list of words on a bit of paper with no price or software announced to a console out in just over a month with confirmed specs ?

[killcole]

So for the last few E3s where Xbox have shown and released the most triple A console exclusives it didn't matter because the PS4 was more powerful. Now that Sony are releasing two new consoles, both inferior to the Xbox One S in most ways (one completely, the other partially), and both DEFINITELY inferior to the Scorpio, it doesn't matter because Sony has exclusives.

I rarely get involved in this cesspit of a forum but these fanboys are a joke.

[C-H-E-F]

Why are we comparing PS4 Pro to something that doesn't even exist? lOl Specs that aren't set in stone... Microsoft said they are "AIMING" for those specs, now that they see what PS4 Pro is, the can come in at 5TF and still win, cutting cost of the Scorpio... Anyways, PS4 Pro will outsell it because it was the first out the gate, it has better n more exclusive and it's an international sensation... Xbox is an American product and the division is ran like an American company... "Greed". Just look at what the initial product was supposed to be and what it is now because of competition sake... if Sony wasn't here your choice would've been Wiii-U or sell your soul for Xbox.... lOl