Kombo writes: Dennis Dyack of Silicon Knights has received a prestigious honor: Being banned from NeoGAF, with whom he's recently had some issues. So, what was the last straw?
I . L O V E . F I N A L . F A N T A S Y . X and Bloodmask tried to get rid of this article. hahahaha
wow , that was pretty straightforward from NeoGaf. I think its obvious they hate Too Human for whatever reason even before the reviews rolled in and now that the reviews are here the just let themselves go.Its obvious now they want this game to flop hard. "so with the majority of reviews condemning your magnum opus to mediocrity" Both are to blame , NeoGAF is as guilty as Dyack but Dyacks personnality doesnt help either.Dyacks got an irratating personnality and is arrogant according to what I saw in the interviews. Anyway looks like the internet, the forums etc is really a very important factor today in the videogame industry.They can pretty much make or break a game. BTW Im not at all familiar with NeoGaf : can somebody quickly tell me a bit about it , and compared to N4G etc.Are they really as bad as Dyack claims ?
Neogaf isn't a terrible place. It's a place where people really want to have video game discussion without childish fanboyism.
He had it coming. I am amazed by people that claim to know all about Too Human and know about gaming yet are apparently unaware of the way he went to that forum and attacked Neogaf and then attacked Neogaf in interviews with other publications and sites. He had it coming a long time ago. How smart can a dev be for attacking his audience. "Hold on there I have my right foot dead in my sights!"
NeoGAF basically = the biggest online gaming community there is...with just shy of 40,000 members...of which some are industry folk including developers (Denis Dyack included...well, not anymore I guess), Ryan Payton has an account, James Stevenson of Insomniac games, writers from gaming sites like 1UP and many others... NeoGAF is also home to many company and retail insiders, employees etc who get invited/access to lots of exclusive events/betas/shows that most people dont. They usually have the most accurate information, before anybody else does and there's none of the console war business (for the most part) due to strict supervision of posts by the mods and things people get away with here on N4G in the open zone (and in the gamer zone sometimes) are easily perma-bannable. Not to mention you can't just create an account. You have to create a request, and be individually approved (which for me took about 3 weeks) before you can post. You can however, view posts without having an account.
wow , I never knew Neogaf was that big... So N4G is a midget compared to NeoGaf. Thanx for the info bubbles
Dyack...when you're being too arrogant, people will not take it very likely. NeoGaf is actually a good forum.
I believe the politically correct term "little person" or "Dwarf". Sorry to get on you but the last time I used midget in public I got an earful. I just wanted to spare you the same fate. But on topic this guy is a douche and he deserves whatever lashings he gets.
Could've been handled better without making a fiasco out of it. Wonder if they make threads for every member they ban, if it was a matter of proving a point, then the thread should've been giving 'n taking between Denny and the Gaffers, but kicking him the hell out and not closing the thread just to add more salt to the wound with over 20 pages of ridicule replies to wipe his dignity infront of the whole community, that is just a low blow and frankly unprofessional. Yes, he had it coming, but how much is that circus of a thread really is proving his point about it being the worst forum?
Merceles, that GIF is so full of win it's about to explode!
Bad enough to prove his point.
That's just too perfect ROFL +1
Ditto Hardmetal, glad to see I'm not the only one on the same page, though he really should learn when to put a sock in it, the way this whole thing's headed ain't for the best of anyone.
All I know about it is that if something is news breaking, well it's usually from someone there or posted there. So I can imagine Dyack isn't the only one who doesn't appreciate the site. Oh well, Majority rules.
Sorry Dennis about your game. See you in another 9 years with Too Human 2...maybe you'll call it, TWO HUMAN! GET IT? Oh it doesn't matter... The game tanked, the defense force is out in record numbers...but it's not helping. Bad times for SK and Dennis Dyack.
the last one in the trilogy will be titled "Three Humans"
he got banned!?!?!wow,the guys game is getting horrible reviews left and right and now he just got the ban hammer XD!!
he was banned from NG for spamming how good Too human was.
generally mixed reviews are not horrible, case in point: http://www.metacritic.com/g... And GAF are mostly pricks who see themselves above it all, from there FAQ For Members that haven't been approved: Q: Why haven't I been approved?!?!?! A: Because we go through every single application by hand, and there is only one person who does it. On top of that, we do them in batches and they aren't dealt with on a regular basis. You may have to wait 2 minutes, you may have to wait 3 months. The only thing you can do is wait. SO WAIT. Do not PM people about why you haven't been approved, we don't care. Q: My E-mail is banned? What did I do??? A: Nothing. We have a f*cking massive list of free e-mail services that are banned from this site. Yours was one of them. Dyack stood up to them, granted in a very immature and stupid way, and they snuffed him.
a dev got banned? Thats new. but NeoGAf is emo central anyways so meh~
Should be Banned from Developing Games Ever again 10 years Down the Toilet
Haikus can be fun But sometimes it's not good to Write comments that way
Humiliating comes to mind here. This is so sad. this guy is a well known name in the dev community and he gets banned from Neogaf hhahahahahaahahahahha. Can you imagine Andy Gavin, Evan Wells, or Ted Price getting banned from a forum ahahahahahahahahahahaahaah!!
wow LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL HHAHAHAHAHAHHAHZHAHAHAHA
The actual post from Evil Lore at Neogaf banning him: As Confucius once said, “the photoshop cat juggles a ball of yarn, and unravels it all over his face.” You are Baldur, Denis. You’re the poorly animated bald Norse technogod, the Übermensch with a thousand pointless book references misunderstood by the dirty proles who aren’t worthy enough to judge you. Your favorite Nietzsche quote, "he who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster," is one you’ve fallen victim to yourself, if your opinion of this site is to be taken to heart. In these pitiable confrontations with us you've proven to be the monster of gaming development, a sore on the industry and a squanderer of your subordinates' time and effort. Through all this, through this self-inflicted PR nightmare, you’ve conquered vast new frontiers of unwarranted hyperbole and desperate pseudo-intellectual grasping. Buy an unaccredited doctorate, change your given name to Derek, and take up the reins; Derek Smart would eagerly defer to the greatness of Dr. Dyack. What is an appropriate action to take in response to the man who continues to post here? I won't be tolerating a second retconned "social experiment," a second call for NeoGAF's closing, or a second "worst forum" insult. You decided to ignore the option for real terms for your pointless tag bet, so with the majority of reviews condemning your magnum opus to mediocrity I'll claim a suitable prize by telling you to get the hell off NeoGAF. ----------------------------- ------------------------------- -- In the actual thread here there are quite a few links for dumb Denis: http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
Thank you Morganfell.Dyack has failed and a good laugh was had by all
...He got ooooooowned. o-o That was the best ownage ever.
Now that this mess is out out of the way,the real games will now arrive
is really starting to get annoying. No offense to xbox fans( that has nothing to do with you anyways unless you are fanboys) but xbox360 devs do SO MUCH TALKING!
Yeah, I've noticed the same thing about Xbox Devs. Itagaki goes around putting down other games like Okami and Devil May Cry, Cliffy B. said he thought that Resistance 2 falls short, and then Cliffy B. calls MGS4 "passive entertainment", Dyack is a one man hype machine, etc... I do agree that Xbox 360 developers do too much talking though... Playstation developers just let their games speak for themselves.
Ever heard of David Jaffe? Better yet, how about those awesome comments from the devs of Lair and Haze berating other rivaling games in their genres and boasting on about how their games would be masterpieces? You're clearing seeing only what you want to.
I don't remember any Lair or haze devs talking (only 360 fanboys) but I do definitely remember itagaki, cliffy B, and others talking smack. PS3 devs definitely do less talking. Ted Price and Kojima are just for starters.
That explains who our newest phantom disagreer is...Hello Dyack! Welcome to N4G! He should head on over to the Gamespot and Gametrailer forums, they're pretty bad too lol
Don't insult me, please. Also, do I make fun of you at YOUR job? No, NO I don't... So stop doing it to me man!
Wrong. I hate Microsoft and all, but SK is a good company and Dyack is getting way too much heat over this Too Human thing. The game isn't that bad, I think expectations were way too high. Oh well, bring it to PS3 with all the issues resolved!
High expectations because Dyack himself hyped it up (on NeoGAF might I add), and the game has been in production for about 10 years.... It should be a unanimous hit, but instead its "meh"
I'd rather "take a bullet to the head" ;)
That would have been a much bigger slap in the face. Provided the game flops, as it's not even released yet. They both have the same problem, neither of them can take criticism well. I wouldn't call dyack arrogant, I'd just say he's overly defensive of something he's made. It's not a phenomenon unique to him. It seems like both of them thrive off riling each other up. In reality, if either of them had originally done the mature thing (dyack just explaining what makes the game good instead of getting aggravated and attacking people, and NeoGaf politely asking dyack to stop or making him live with the bet he made) it probably would have had a bigger impact on the other party.
The title would've been golden. I thought thats what was going to happen.
Isn't Dyack still involved in the case against Epic Games?lol,lets see who Microsoft will back;a company that has made them a GOTY title,or a company led by a man who created what is arguably the biggest disappointment in the Video game industry.
What a sorry state the whole games community is. I would love some of the loud mouthed pre-teens to actually make a game that is better than Too Human. It is so easy to p!ss on someone's hard work but another to create something people appreciate. "...look how most of them are handling it, haha. Did you (GAF) really expect Dyack to just sit there and take the criticism and not be allowed to dish it out himself? It looks like they can dish it out, but they can't take it. -- ReaganYouth, Kombo Forums" Interesting point. Yes, GAF members can critise Too Human all they want but as soon as Dennis critizes GAF he is banned. Lame. @Below: SK is not owned by MS nor is there any allegiance beyond them making Too Human. Heck I bash on games as well but this is going beyond the typical forum troll or singular comment.
M$ Defence Force at work
I think he was talking about YOU, not SK.
I think all this has less to do with the game and more to do with the immature reaction and overall additude of Denis Dyack. I mean if the game is not as good as you thought it would be and is getting bad reviews then just own up to it and learn from the experience. Instead he goes on a the air and starts dissing everyone (the very same people who will and has been reviewing his game0 and all it does is makes him look like a douche. I mean Haze got blasted by the gaming community just as much and to my knowledge the developers took it in stride. I am also quite sure that Free Radical will learn from the experience and step up their game next time.
You wrote: "I would love some of the loud mouthed pre-teens to actually make a game that is better than Too Human." Have you ever critized a game? Ever made one? I guess you liked every movie you watched too? Looking forward to your next masterpiece...
"Well I don't lurk, I post, thanks very much :) And my take on it is: a- I feel bad for the SK team because it sucks to work hard and get poor reviews. b- I feel bad for Dennis- even tho I don't know him beyond a few emails over the years- because clearly he is a passionate man who is having to deal with two tough situations right now (the mediocre reviews of a game he clearly loves, as well as the situation of being made out to be a bad guy amongst the core fans he is- one assumes- trying to please). He may also be dealing with a third tough situation if the sales of his game are poor. All that said, my life experience shows that often times, failure is a great thing because it allows you to either learn from mistakes and recommit to your passions OR it allows you to realize that you are not really on the path you need to be on in the first place. So I think, for Dennis, this will end up being a great situation where he's able to reassess what he wants. But again, I don't know him. That's just how I would deal with it. As for posting here, I still plan on doing it. I still plan on defending myself when someone attacks me without clear reason. But I don't tend to come here to promote our games. I mean, I always answer questions about them and correct people if they have some info on our games that is not correct, but I don't look at Neogaf as a PR tool. I look at it as a place to mingle with fellow fans of games we all love and to meet folks who consider themselves fans of what we do. And I love that. I love neogaf, always have. As for being more influential, well no offense, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. If TOO HUMAN had been getting 97% scores and selling great, even if Dennis had insulted some of you guys 1000 times worse, it would not matter if you not only banned him but changed the name to NEO-F*CK-YOU-DYACK-GAF (dude, f*ck off, I get PAID to be creative, I ain't giving it away for free!!!! :) ...I mean, but if all that had occurred but the game rocked to many people, this would not make a difference. And frankly it still won't, from a nuts and bolts sales standpoint. Too Human will sell how well it sells based on many things. Dennis being a current 'enemy' of Neogaf is not one of them. Not to say sites like this- and this one in particular- can NOT be influential but I tend to think the influence of hard core sites like this help bring a more obscure game up into the more semi-hard core consciousness- which in turn- will help sales. I do not see it working in the opposite direction. But we'll see...just my take. David"
I guess he must be jubilating, "Woa, i've banned Dennis Dyack!". Don't worry Dennis, i will show you how to be pretentious without being insulting. With tact and skill. But sure, if the half of the industry spit on you, it's hard to be tempered.
Hey Itagaki How's that lawsuit going? Did you know Dennis has one too?
No worries, i'll advise him my lawyer. Great minds think alike.
give a pair of sunglass of yours to him also! so his eyes won't give him away as easily, like you!
I actually logged in so I could reply to you EnemyCrab... You are the biggest hipocrit fanboy I have seen on this freakin' site. You go to the point of creating an account mocking a quote from a game dev about his game just because its an exclusive to a console you hate, and then you have the NERVE of acting all innocent and saying ppl shouldn't talk smack about a game which has been getting hammered by reviews from pretty much every major gaming site, when ppl talk smack about a game dev who is nothing more than an arrogant prick who thinks he is above the opinion of the ppl who are the ones who will buy his p.o.s. game, when YOU downplayed the work of credited devs like the ones at Free Radical and Factor 5 when their games bombed, simply because they were, once again, exclusive to a console you hate. Would someone please ban this guy to the open zone? P.S. In your face Dyack, hopefully you'll take this seriously, and rethink some of the things you said.
I approve ... being part of the NeoGAF community, I'm glad he got banned! You don't get publicity and then be disgraceful!
i am tired of Dennis Dyack
So what happend to that "with" or "against" Too Human topic that Dyack created?
I was listening to the latest full moon podcast on insomniac's site and towards the end of the podcast he was asked, "Who would be the one person you would ban from neogaf?" and he said himself. I guess dreams do come true :P
This is the biggest pwnage I've seen in a while..
being banned from an internet forum...omg...the end is near...lmao (and there are far worse fourms than neo..teamxbox is by far the worst)
So what else is new? Killzone 2 Online MP?
Neogaf is a fanboy forum with some great flash mod people!!!
Anyone posting here and criticizing neogaf is only fooling itself . the oxygen is far from pure around here . N4g "pride" itself with a bubble system but how many times havent the biggest fanboys got back all their lost bubbles ? As for Denis , well he was the one in the wrong . He is a professionnal , unlike anyone from gaf . He came there knowing his game was not liked by everyone and made it worse with his silly attitude , stopped to the level of the players , and now that he is proven wrong (with the game hardly well received in reviews) he goes even lower . GAf and any board can get away criticizing the game , they are amateurs , not Denis .
EAT THAT DENNIS DYACK!!!! Ahahahaha, in your face noob. I would have settled for the "Owned by GAF" signature but this is even better, this is golden, this is deluxe!!
"...look how most of them are handling it, haha. Did you (GAF) really expect Dyack to just sit there and take the criticism and not be allowed to dish it out himself? It looks like they can dish it out, but they can't take it." That was the bet, and I agree with exactly what they did, he attacked a forum, he knew the consequences and quite frankly every time this guy has an interview he's taking 10 steps back and flinging a whip to no avail. What a sucker.
It is overrated.