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Report: DirectX 12 To Be Exclusive To Windows 10, NVIDIA Lists DX12 Compatible GPUs

Since its initial announcement, a lot of PC gamers wondered whether DX12 would be exclusive to Microsoft’s new operating system or not. Well, it seems that this new API will be indeed exclusive to Windows 10.

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Double Toasted1036d ago

W10 is a free upgrade, so........

john21036d ago

free upgrade for the first year (whatever that means. TBH the way the put it seems like Win10 will have a subscription fee)

Pandamobile1036d ago

Your Windows 7 and 8 product keys, if redeemed in the first year of Windows 10 will grant you a full license to Windows 10.

Windows 10 will also not be a subscription service. It's a one-time buy apparently.

http://www.pcgamer.com/micr...

john21036d ago

@Pandamobile: Ah thanks for the link, can't edit the comment. It was really confusing the way they put it. Glad it's not such a thing.

andibandit1035d ago (Edited 1035d ago )

that ROCKS!!

thanks for the info

Wizard_King1035d ago (Edited 1035d ago )

God damn it I hate MS for this BS. There is no other reason not to implement DX12 on Win 7 and 8 other than the dirty money.

Even if they are giving you a free Win 10 licence with you old key they still are only doing it to shove their stupid store right in your face every time you switch on just to get at your wallet again and again. I can see unwanted Office 365 (mail and the Office suite), the app store, Skype, One Drive, Xbox Music/Video, and probably Xbox Live Gold being shoved in my face with no way to rid them.

AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHH HHHH!

At least when they dropped DX10 support for XP it was semi legit with tech issues. But this is just crap.

I don't want your pathetic touch screen BS OS that looks like your tying to copy Apple, Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit is about as good as it gets for a PC gaming OS.

If only we could get a reliable OS that didn't take coding knowledge to use and ran all my current games and programs the same way Win 7 does and I'd jump straight away. Linux is to much effort and Steam OS doesn't support all the programs and games, the other free solutions are not that great either. Pity.

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3-4-51035d ago

"whatever that means" ?

It means from the time it releases you have 365 days to download it for free.

How didn't you "grasp" that ?

falviousuk1034d ago

Surprisingly a lot of people seem not to understand that.

The tin foil hat brigade or the MS haters are just doing their usual BS.

Win 10 will be sub based blah blah.

its fairly easy to understand, you get to upgrade from win7,8,8.1 for free for the first year after release, after that you will have to purchase a license just like normal.

This is just a way for MS to get most people moved over to windows 10 easily and quickly.

And why not. Win 10 runs nicely, I've been running the insider release for a while and it runs very well. The desktop is as the same as in win 7 but the start menu is far better than before.

best of both worlds.

awi59511034d ago

It's not that simple allot of programs, games, antivirus and a whole lot of other crap wont transfer. It will be corrupted because windows suck and you will be stuck redownloading huge files.

crazychris41241036d ago

Free upgrade offer that lasts a year for Win 7, 8, 8.1 users. Its sounds great but how are they going to be making money??

Volkama1035d ago

Office 365 (mail and the Office suite), the app store, Skype, One Drive, Xbox Music/Video, and probably Xbox Live Gold...

ElementX1035d ago

I'm guessing corporate site licenses don't apply for the upgrade.

Testfire1035d ago

Bingo. When support for XP dropped MS must have raked in a butt load. When you're dealing with corporations you must have a secure OS. They'll probably drop support for Vista soon, which will force some to upgrade now, others will follow soon.

But who cares, if its one thing MS knows, its how to make money.

rpgenius4201035d ago

@testfire

They kept the updates for XP going for corporations only so they can still be "secure" so get your facts straight.

Sonital1035d ago

@Testfire and rpgenius

Actually they only keep the updates going for corporations who exclusively pay for custom support.

Likewise "they'll probably drop support for Vista soon", Vista support timelines are well known to expire April 11, 2017 in line with the 10 year lifecycle with most products.

Source: http://windows.microsoft.co...

Madrigal1035d ago

@Crazy
Still at it, I see.

CptVimes1035d ago

They'll make money off every new pc, tablet and mobile sold with Windows 10 integrated.

Gh05t1035d ago

Not to mention the whole point of doing the free upgrade is so they don't spend more money developing windows 7, 8.1, and 10 versions of "every" app.

Of course they will have to for some but this will dramatically reduce development costs.

Its not always about making money... in the long run they are thinking about how much money they will save in development.

No_Limit1035d ago (Edited 1035d ago )

"Its sounds great but how are they going to be making money?? "

Be put on a list of organizations that needed help on the Bill and Melinda Gates Charity foundation. LOL

Seriously, MS is in the same old Razor blade business. give away the Razor and hope to make it back on razor blade sales. Their main goal is to unify and integrate as many devices as possible so apps, services, and other programs will run smoothly between platforms...which means more Office, Skpe, Xbox Live Gold, sales because when the next version of office is out with a bunch of new and cool features like holographic enabled, it will most likely only works with Windows 10; thus, it will sell more copies and drive in more subscribers for the online cloud version that can be use on PCs, tablets, phones, and might even work Xb1 as well due to Windows 10 being unify. More hardware = more adaptation and sales. Business 101.

This is like the 8th time you had asked the question, LOL, what is your motive?

IrishSt0ner1035d ago (Edited 1035d ago )

When everybody moves to WX they'll stop W7 having a XP style longetivity. After the first year everyone will recommend WX, so from that point on it will be seen as the best OS in the market (mobile, tablet & computer). Won't take long for Android and iOS to lose a lot of ground to WX. Unification is here. As for making money, owning all the device OS market equals big cash.

Thehyph1035d ago

I don't think Google or Apple have to worry about losing ground to a new Windows.

You could argue that Windows 8 was supposed to do what you're implying, but not much ever changed in the mobile space.

I'm very certain that Windows 10 will be better than Windows 8, but there will still be a division as long as both ARM and x86 architecture devices exist.

The only way for real unification would be to cut out phones and the RT version of Surface.

Given Google's tendency towards heavy subsidization, Microsoft would have to incur losses on licensing their OS for handsets for a long while to even attempt to take ground away from Google.

Tldr: this won't hurt Apple or Google in any serious means.

Peanuts1101035d ago (Edited 1035d ago )

They are switching to a subscription base system. It's going to be like what they are doing with Microsoft Office. You'll have to pay an annual subscription fee to continue to use OS and receive updates.

sorane1035d ago

That's not true at all. Windows 10 will be fully usable for as long as you own it without any fees.

Death1035d ago

They make money on new PC sales. If the Xbox One ships with a version, it's not free for the division. OS royalties/license fees are included in the manufacturing costs of the console.

BluFish1035d ago

Supporting legacy OS's is actually pretty expensive.

slasaru011035d ago

This is upgrade cost to customers. With new PCs vendors still have to buy windows, i think. And corporations as well.

SJPFTW1035d ago

From PC manufacturers mostly, since they have to buy the license.

Guwapo771034d ago

@ CrazyChris - It's like a drug dealer giving you your first hit for free. They know their product will have you coming back for more. Basically, Microsoft is confident this is the OS to get.

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the_dark_one1036d ago

Is it just me or that pic says 2014? Did we go back a year or something??

nae2shabby1035d ago (Edited 1035d ago )

It's a picture for DX12's introduction at the Games Developers Conference back in March 2014.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen1035d ago (Edited 1035d ago )

Sony uses a modified version of DX11 in it's SDK, so I know the claim that DX12 will be exclusive to Windows is nonsense. It should be a rumor and the title should be formed into a question instead of a statement of affirmation.

http://www.geek.com/games/s...

Dabigsiebowski1035d ago (Edited 1035d ago )

Sony does not use a modified version of DX11. They use their own API partly based off of Mantle from AMD. They've been over this time and time again. Looks like a clickbait article from before the console was actually out!

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen1035d ago (Edited 1035d ago )

It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about since this information is readily available all over the internet and in the link I posted:

1. "The good news doesn’t stop there, though. Developers will be able to take advantage of Microsoft’s latest industry standard DirectX API — DirectX 11.1, but Sony has taken the time to improve upon it, pushing the feature set beyond what is available for PC games development."

"That’s achieved not only through a modified DirectX 11.1 API, but also a secondary low-level API specifically for the PS4 hardware."

http://www.geek.com/games/s...

2. Information Directly from Sony/Playstation:
http://develop.scee.net/fil...

Titled: Unlocking The Potential Of The Playstation 4

On page 32 of the presentation and I quote:

"Low level Graphics API (GNM)
1.Builds directly command buffers to feed to the GPU

2.Resembles DirectX and OpenGL without sacrificing efficiency

3.Pre-build and reuse data structure as much as possible

4.Application is in charge of memory management
Synchronization primitives

5.Enhanced performance by bypassing costly DirectX limitations and bottlenecks"

The Playstation 4 uses a low level API, named GNM, and a high level API named GNMX, in which the low level API(GNM) is based on DirectX11/OpenGL (Open Graphics Library).

Like I said, this story should be a rumor posed in the form of a question not a statement of affirmation. Thanks again for clicking the links and reading the information in them.

Death1035d ago

Sony is using a modified version of DX 11.1. Has anyone confirmed DX 11.2 released for the PS4? Last I seen 11.2 was exclusive to the Xbox One and Windows 8.1. With DX 12 being Windows 10 exclusive, there is the possibility PS4 won't be getting it.

RegorL1035d ago (Edited 1035d ago )

@IGiveHu Do you know why any efficient graphics API have to resemble DirectX and OpenGL?

It is because hardware itself resembles DirectX and OpenGL as hardware developers have tried to improve their performance of programs using those APIs. On PC the most important API has been DirectX...

A low level graphics API that did not reseble DirectX/OpenGL would have done something wrong...

Pogmathoin1035d ago

Regor, hugs has no idea what he is talking about.... Anyone can google and attach links..... I am no expert, and to be honest, as long as something plays good and looks good, I do not care what is under the hood... I am not going to waste your time with other peoples theorys copy and pasted here.

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Ps4andxb11035d ago

Sony uses open cl which can process the same things dx does but in its own way.

Almost a bit like reverse engineering stuff.

ginsunuva1035d ago

OpenCL id for doing mathematical computations on GPUs, not a graphics library.

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GameDev11035d ago (Edited 1035d ago )

Sony uses their own custom made DX11 though in the PS4 which likely means it won't have same api code for an upgrade to DX12

But no there is no way DX12 is coming to anything else except for windows 10, except Sony wants custom it again but it wont be for PS4 definitely

Sony already uses their own custom Open GL api too, so no need for DX12 anyway

@Dabigsiebowski

lol, who told you that? Sony api is nothing based off Mantle, that is exclusive to AMD and PC

@Ps4andXb1

It is nothing at all like reverse engineering, it is their own custom built open gl with completely different api code to DX

ravencry1035d ago (Edited 1035d ago )

PS4 uses OpenGL not DirectX or Mantle

@Ps4andxb1 its OpenGL not OpenCL

OpenCL means gpu is used in renderering instead of cpu ( GPGPU) Its not efficient or nor accurate but faster than cpu rendering

OpenGL is api

strangeaeon1035d ago

I love the smell of salt and desperation in the morning. You are truly the model of a fanboy.Bububut Sony will have it to!

ShottyGibs1034d ago

That's interesting.. You think MS would let Sony use their Direct X code.
sony uses an modified open standard.. OpenGL.. Nothing to do with direct X mate

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iNFAMOUZ11035d ago

Wow phil spencer is taking xbox one and pc back to its throne, phil 4 president????

hasamalaha1035d ago

You think just because Phil presented something it was his idea?