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If Video Game Violence Doesn’t Affect Us, Why Should Hatred Be Condemned?

"Should Hatred be condemned because for being honest?"

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TekoIie3907d ago

Call the fake outrage police!

NukaCola3907d ago (Edited 3907d ago )

Got to prep that one targeted excuse when someone does make the news for violence.

First incident of a teen hurting someone after this releases, the media will be all over it, ready to submit their already well prepared reports.

Either way, if you wanted this game condemned, don't even mention it. I personally never even heard of it until the media started talking about it so much. Now look at all the free advertising this game is getting.

3-4-53907d ago

People who are Offended at things, attempt to grant themselves some kind of authority over everyone else because of _______________Reason.

* Maybe we could try being offended at crappy journalism and it's effect on people's opinions on things.

denawayne3907d ago

I support their right to make the game. Do I find it disturbing? A little. I'll just vote with my wallet. I find Taylor Swift music appaling and disturbing as well

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Naga3907d ago (Edited 3907d ago )

Nobody said video game violence doesn't affect us. They said video game violence doesn't make us violent.

But good job kicking things off with a straw man argument there, chief.

kingdip903907d ago

https://ksj.mit.edu/tracker...

I know tv and video games are not the same bit as entertainment media I think they are comparable.

No effect at all.

Spotie3907d ago

That's kinda understood here.

thorstein3907d ago

Actually, we have. And, since we have been studying violent media for over 2 decades, the conclusion has been just that. Violent video games, books, movies do not make individuals violent.

It isn't straw man at all. Especially when it is backed up with decades of research.

In this case, I will stick with the experts. There are no peer reviewed, scientific studies that show a connection between violence and video games.

However, there are many that show there is no correlation. And that isn't stacking the deck fallacy either. There just aren't any studies that have stood up to peer review that connect violence and video games.

http://www.digitaljournal.c...

Naga3907d ago (Edited 3907d ago )

I think you misread my comment.

I criticized the author's choice to frame the argument as "if video game violence doesn't affect us..." because nobody is saying that it doesn't affect us AT ALL - nobody is denying that there can be an emotional reaction, such as being offended, outraged, or otherwise upset by the media. That counts as being affected. The argument being misrepresented is the one that both of us stated: That video games do not make us violent.

It's a straw man argument in that 1) the title misrepresents the opposing argument and 2) there are other reasons for someone to condemn a game like Hatred outside of the proven-false assertion that it makes us violent. People can condemn the content for being generally reprehensible, offensive, or morally inappropriate. I'm not necessarily saying they are right, but the author makes no attempt to address these reasons and instead relies on misrepresenting the opposition.

Hopefully that made sense and clarified the misunderstanding.

kingdip903907d ago

@ naga

Don't you see that the research that went into finding out if video game violence makes people more violent applies to other behaviors also?

Research shows that as you say a game can affect someone emotionally but those effects are short term video games cannot make you more violent, angry, sexual, hateful, kind, misogynistic or any other descriptor people may want to throw around.

That means there is no genuine argument against such a game being made, sure it's gross and offensive but without it causing any real world changes it effects no one outside of its audience which no one is forcing anyone to be a part of.

I won't be a part of the audience either as I require a little more sophistication in the art and entertainment but I wont demand someone censor their art because it offends my sensibilities.

The issue here is the idea that some feel that this medium needs to be censored and this article is part of the push back of people who believe in creative freedom, although possibly poorly worded the assertion in the article that there are no real world consequences of consuming such media is very valid and is in no way straw man.

However I do have to question your motives as to you trying to downplay this point, I have to ask do you support censorship?

DiscoKid3907d ago

The game at best would be a scapegoat regarding the silly debate. I don't condemn the game or its developers, but I believe this game would simply cause more controversy.

hulk_bash19873907d ago (Edited 3907d ago )

Yup this game will definitely be used as ammo against the gaming community in the debate on videogame violence. With that being said, I personally don't care. I just won't give them any of my money because the game's premise is stupid.

polow got sol3907d ago

Don't see how video game violence affects anyone really. But man anyone seen how he had that one guy floating in mid air in the trailer then blasted em lol i wanna try that one day.

jholden32493907d ago (Edited 3907d ago )

That's a good question, and one that has made me really think my stance on video game violence. I now see the error of my thinking. Whereas I used to strongly believe video game violence does not affect anyone, I confess I was wrong. It's not so much the violence as it is the reasoning behind it. Glorifying hatred is disgusting, and I don't care if I'm the only gamer in the world willing to say something about it, I'm going to stand up for what I believe. Too long have I justified wrong in the interest of protecting what I enjoy.

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Controversial "Adults Only" Murder Simulator Hatred Is Coming To Nintendo Switch

A game about killing people.

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NecrumOddBoy1904d ago (Edited 1904d ago )

This game was just gratuitous violence. I don't know why it was rated AO. It's no worse than a GTA killing spree, Hotline Miami, or even the 'No Russian' COD mission. Reminded my of a weaker Dead Nation except no zombies.

FlyingFoxy1904d ago

And we have highly sexualised Japanese games like Senran Kagura which are often either borderline, or practically straight up soft core.. and not even rated AO, some even rated lower age than GTA!

Makes you wonder what's wrong with the ratings systems overall tbh, potentially exposing kids to all kinds of nasty stuff.. but then that's more the parents fault anyways, and the upper age ratings are definitely nowhere near kid friendly, yet you still get little kids playing certain things they shouldn't be.

StormSnooper1903d ago (Edited 1903d ago )

Sex should not even be an issue. Violence, on the other hand, should have restricted access. I don’t know anything about this particular game, but sounds like the difference between this and GTA is that GTA is a game about mafia, so violence itself isn’t the lure of the game. It’s telling a story. But a game about murder, is a game centered on murder as the selling point. I Don’t know, I see a difference here.

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StormSnooper1902d ago (Edited 1902d ago )

@genericgamer01
We are confusing a number of issues here:

1) I think we all agree that any outright censorship is bad.
2) violence does in fact have negative impact on young kids.
3) as a matter of public welfare, some things are not better left to the unchecked discretion of people, in this case parents. This is why we all obey traffic laws.
4) while the right to raise your children how you see fit is a fundamental right, not all parents know how/are able to raise their children in a proper way, and the rights of the child and society should also be considered. Unfortunately, while we get a manual with everything, and attend classes for things like driving, a child does not come with a manual and no classes are offered to parents about how to raise a child.
5) there is a strong interest in protecting those in our society who do not have a means of protecting themselves. This includes children who cannot protect themselves from bad parenting.
6) we do in fact have experts in every field, both inside and outside government, who have dedicated their lives to specific fields, and DO know more in that subject than the general public. (To argue otherwise is called anti-intellectualism, which is a major problem in our society today, i.e. flat earthers)

Therefore, we should have regulations that guide parents, and also prohibit them from allowing their young to engage in activities that are either damaging, or have the propensity to derail their development into functioning positive members of society.

Lastly, the issue of politicians using video games as a means to seem tough, is an altogether separate problem as these individuals should not be allowed to take the reigns from experts on matters of public policy without scientific support.

PurpHerbison1903d ago

I guess the biggest difference here is the goal of Hatred is to murder where as GTA isn't all about killing sprees, Hotline Miami is too cute to be taken seriously, and COD isn't all about wiping out Russians. Best comparison is probably Dead by Daylight where 50% of the game is being a serial killer trying to kill survivors in gruesome ways and it is only rated M.

Kostche1903d ago

shooting and killing people is shooting and killing... dont matter what form it is

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CptDville1903d ago

Have you ever tried Manhunt? It was quite disturbing when launched.

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Tetsujin1904d ago

I'm surprised Switch is getting this and PlayStation/Xbox isn't. The game was basically Postal with better graphics and more realism.

LOGICWINS1903d ago

I'm not. Sonys the one that's been caught censoring anime bikini girls. Nintendo has been vocal about being against censorship.

https://www.google.com/amp/...

https://www.exclusivelygame...

REALAS1903d ago

Haha. Only with the switch, because money. Nintendo has censored more games than anyone.

Segata1903d ago

Nintendo will censor their games but not 3rd parties. That's what tey said since few will click any links.

MadLad1903d ago

@reals

So only with either company's most recent consoles? The ones most relevant here in 2020?

REALAS1902d ago

@ Ted
I just find it funny that people make it seem like Nintendo has always championed non censorship. They have only relaxed their stance to deliver to their shareholders. Good for them, I guess.

MadLad1902d ago

@reals

What I think you're noticing is people going at Sony, because they have been the censorship kings of this generation.

I've never seen people voicing Nintendo's anti-censorship stance, because they've obviously been bad with that in the past. But we're talking about now, and Sony is the one always seen censoring content nowadays.

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Activemessiah1904d ago

Brace yourselves for the incoming bitching about this by journalists.

NecrumOddBoy1903d ago (Edited 1903d ago )

Or more likely: "Best on Switch - 10/10"

QuePasa871903d ago

Hmm I wonder if some retail outlets will refuse to sell it

Kabaneri1903d ago

Every open world sandbox game is Hatred for me.

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5 Titles That Critics Hated but Gamers Loved

A look at five games that gamers loved but most critics hated.

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iofhua2750d ago

Advent Rising is another good example. It got panned by critics but it has a good story and I enjoyed playing it. The graphics are dated, the enemies all look the same, but it was made in 2005 so what do you expect? I wish they made the sequel so I could finish the story but I think the critics killed it off.

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Aaroncls72750d ago

I don't trust critics.
I'd value more the feedback from a random user.

nommers2749d ago

I seldom trust gamers or critics anymore. A lot of times high scores just mean how likely you are to enjoy something from the game, but rarely anything about how much you would enjoy said things, or whether the highly preferred type of qualities in a game you’re looking for are even in it. My initial gut feeling of the premise of a game is usually all I need.

quent2750d ago

Silent Hill: downpour another example

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Shock Value Alone Won't Sell Sh*tty Games

Joanna Mueller writes: "Since the 1980's, video game advocates have been arguing for the protection of games as a medium of free speech. Frankly, I consider myself in that camp, but just because a game can push against the boundaries of common decency doesn't mean it should. Especially if the developer is just hoping to ride the wave of pearl clutching controversy to the bank."

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garyanderson3219d ago

Nothing wrong with pushing for controversy, but the game still has to be worthwhile. Lots of games in the 90s showed that.

ShaunCameron3219d ago

Because the novelty will eventually wear off and the audience will eventually wise up.

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Cy3219d ago

So what? If there's a market for something then why should anyone care if it gets filled, as long as it's not something illegal? You can dislike so-called "edge lord" games all you want (in fact, you can like or dislike whatever you want, full stop) but even if games like Hatred are just trying to take advantage of anti-SJW backlash to make a quick buck, the fact that they exist at all is important in a culture that's becoming increasingly puritan and censorship orientated. Art is supposed to push the envelope. It's supposed to make you think. And even if all a game makes you do is think about why certain people are so desperate to ban it.

Enigma_20993218d ago

Yeah, it makes me think WTF is this s***?

Skankinruby3219d ago

Sure seems to be working for gta

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