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Tomb Raider Definitive Edition Runs at 60fps on PS4 and 30fps on Xbox One

Rocket Chainsaw states that while both versions of the Tomb Raider definitive edition have unlocked frame rates with a minimum of 30fps, the PS4 version runs at 60 fps most of the time while the Xbox One version runs at 30 fps most of the time.

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Xsilver  +   750d ago | Funny
Meanwhile at Sony HQ
Hatsune-Miku  +   750d ago | Well said
Superior console superior games. Definitive console definitive games

Ps4 is the future and the future is ps4
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Enemy   750d ago | Trolling | show
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Eonjay  +   749d ago | Well said
What do you expect. This is native 1080p here.

Xbox can't catch a break. I wonder if anyone was gonna feature it on Youtube.

Edit. It was confirmed by the Crystal Dynamics during the twitch video. PS4 is 60 and Xbox One is 30. Both unlocked framerates. Crystal Dynamics praises PS4's ability to handle 60. This isn't a rumor.
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xHeavYx  +   749d ago | Well said
I'm glad developers are using the full power of the PS4 with no restrains
TheRedButterfly  +   749d ago
You're giving Miku a bad name. Please close your leek hole.
NatureOfLogic   749d ago | Trolling | show
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Bathyj  +   749d ago | Well said
Not the point Emma.

Of course both console can do 1080p 60fps. It depends on the game.

Truth be told this game doesnt need 60fps anyway (although it is nice) and most dont even want it until it drops in price.

But if you think this means nothing that the vast majority of multiplat games are coming out significantly better on PS4, especially after last gen when every little advantage (real and imaginary) x360 had was held up on a pedestal, then you cant handle the truth you talk about.

Its certainly very telling that Xbone is so far behind on so many games. And its only going to get worse, not better.

And please, I'll give you that Xbone has Titanfall, its not my type of game, but it does look great and I think it will be very popular, but dont play the cloud like a drawcard. The Cloud is just a big external Harddrive at the moment. The only ones doing anything with the cloud to actually improve gaming is Sony with PSNow. MS is just using cloud as PR speak without really showing anything tangible.
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zeuanimals  +   749d ago
Emma, nobody's doubting the X1's capabilities of outputting games at 1080p native and running them at 60fps, the problem is, the X1 has a hard time of doing so.

Devs have to either cut graphical fidelity to do achieve 1080p 60fps, or cut resolution or performance to keep the flashy graphics. Most devs prefer to cut performance and resolution before ever touching graphics, the great thing is and they didn't have to cut much from the PS4 with TR.
ipach  +   749d ago | Funny
sounds like a pizza ad:
better console. better games. papa johnstation.
GTgamer  +   749d ago | Well said
"dont forget that infamouse second son is running at 30 fps"
Second Son is an open world game with lots going on so what's your point the only open world game on Xone is DR3 that can't even maintain 30fps but you Xbox fans defended that saying it has allot going on so Sony fans can't do the Same :/.

"The amount of hardcore sony fanboys on this site is so funny lol"
Says the Hardcore MS Fanboy -_-

"its still to early to tell witch console is supioror at the moment and has better games."
But its not too early to say which console is stronger and all evidence points to the PS4 :)

" Dont forget. xboxone has cloud computing and titanfall under its belt. and go agead and mark me down for the truth : )"
Yup that Cloud really helped make CoD/BF4/AC4/titanfall 1080p on the Xone oh it didn't and Damn sure isn't helping tombraider to run at 60fps on the Xone and mark that down as the truth :).
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UltraNova  +   749d ago
So a 400 buck pc can handle 1080p at 60fps...good good..

Makes me wonder though, what kind of a tower-spec wise- do i need to game @60fps for my new Samsung 4K tv? Any suggestions? (keep it real guys the tv drained me!)
vishmarx  +   749d ago
so finally 1080p 60fps and gfx that outclass the PC version.
another point that assures my purchase of a PS4 this march instead of xb1(Infamous vs titanall)
the xb may have latent power in EsRAM but i coudnt care less considering devs have already mastered the ps4
Army_of_Darkness  +   749d ago
"The Xbox One build can technically reach around 45 fps, though this performance is generally only achieved during the most empty, simplest environments. For most of your play, and during action scenes, the Xbox One build will sit on around 30 fps. On the other hand, the PlayStation 4 build will attempt to hit 60 fps as often as possible, and does a pretty good job of doing so, but does have slight dips under 60 fps during certain scenarios."

I might reconsider getting it now once its 100% confirmed :-D
n4rc  +   749d ago
So as I'm reading this..

During ideal conditions.. X1 runs at 45 and the ps4 at 60..

Dips under 60 means what? 45 during heavy action and 30 for x1?

Not really specific.. The ways its worded leads to believe a bit of a bias
abzdine  +   749d ago
This is an old gen game for God's sake! how cant it handle a higher frame rate? How will it be in 5 years, games will run 10FPS?
SonofGod  +   749d ago

That is the most arrogant comment I have ever seen.

It's arrogant comments like these that makes me NOT want to buy a PS4.
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Septic  +   749d ago
Not really the definitive version on X1 then is it?

Further cements the fact that third party experiences on PS4 are the way forward. Destiny, The Division and the like all will be played on my PS4.
GarrusVakarian  +   749d ago

And here i was fully willing to buy it at 1080p i get an FPS boost :D
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bobtheimpaler  +   749d ago

Yes, the XBone can do 1080 at 60fps. Just not with this game...or with many other games at the moment.

Please don't compare tomb raider with second son. Tomb Raider isn't anywhere near as open.

Too early to tell which console is superior? Dude, we knew the specs from the leak almost 2 years ago and they haven't changed. PS4 is objectively more powerful.
FamilyGuy  +   749d ago
Oh just F*&%ING GREAT! -_-

As if PS4s weren't hard enough to find already now we've got YET ANOTHER multiplatform title having a PS4 version that out-classes it's X1 counter-part. As if people needed more reason to buy a PS4 instead.

Will this trend ever end?
When will PS4 stock ever catch up to demand with stories like this coming out every time a multiplatform game is released?


So, on another note. I'm very happy to see that some devs are wiping their 4$$e$ with MSs "parity clause". Knowing the PS4 versions of games aren't being held back by the specs of a completing consoles hardware is gratifying.
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angelicsnow  +   749d ago
@ doink

Yea i agree. Their all great consoles.
just depends on what you like.
no need to make hardcore statements like that on a site like this when their all fun consoles to injoy. really is just up to personal preference to decide wheather witch one is more supirior then the other
pyramidshead  +   749d ago
This is what you get when a hardware company designs a gaming console around tips, suggestions and technical needs from the top game developers themselves.

The PS4 is laser focused on one thing, being able to run games extremely well for the consumer.

It's pretty damn obvious, and I bet will continue to show, that it's definitely the definitive gaming machine.

People can talk about exclusives and launch games all they want, when games are running a lot better on one machine than its direct competitor it's continually damning to that box's capabilities; especially for a new, more expensive, next gen system.
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andrewsqual  +   749d ago
@EmmaRio I think you need to open your eyes actually. Killzone and Knack were also reported to run a 30fps but actually turned out to be unlocked running averagely at 40 fps. Read this and check out the videos to educate yourself.
Infamous Second Son will be the exact same and don't forget this is running at 1080p as confirmed on 20th February 2013 at the PS4 console's reveal.
Sucker Punch have had lots of time to optimise and actually use the extra 4gbs of graphics Emmery added to the console since they started development.
Now, how many games on Xbox One since launch run at 1080p and a framerate of over 30fps? Dead Rising is a perfect example of a messy last gen game with unimpressive textures that runs at 720p and still suffers at slowdowns to 20fps. Does that not in itself explain to you the differences in PS4 and Xbox One? Do you need any more proof or does the "let's wait and see" phrase that people like you have been saying since the leaked console specs in Nov 2012 still hold up?
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morganfell  +   749d ago | Helpful
"Both consoles can run at 1080 at 60 fps."

This title was upgraded from last gen and the X1 can't hit 60fps/1080p in static areas.

As I said in the other thread this sort of thing was predicted a year ago by the creator of FXAA:

And again, the hardware differences are not marginal:

Xbone: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
Xbone: 2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games + 56%
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50%
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +400%
dantesparda   749d ago | Trolling | show
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GuruMeditation  +   749d ago
@angelicsnow. Strange that you are eager to defend emmario AND you've misspelled some of the same words. Your writing style is also near identical... you guys must REALLY be on the same wavelength. Hmm.

On topic, Tomb Raider Definitive is shaping up to be great, looking forward to this one :)
mewhy32  +   749d ago
This is a repeating pattern. I'm so relieved that the devs aren't letting the bone hold the PS4 versions of these games back. It's a sigh of relief that both consoles are being pushed to their limits and one not being held back by the other. Let's hope that the devs don't get pressured by ms, forced to try to achieve parity no matter how much sacrifice must be made on the PS4 version to get there.
ThanatosDMC  +   749d ago
But teh cloud powerz will make everything work on magic fairy dust!
dantesparda  +   749d ago
Careful guys, dont say anything to bad about the X1 or be to honest cuz you'll probably get marked for trolling. Facts arent welcomed on this site
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otherZinc  +   749d ago

PS4 is the definitive console for last gen ports.

What frame rate is Killzone:SF running at in single player? What's that shi**y Knack running at?
That's what I thought!

This is next gen, not last gen. Do it with a next gen game!
ramiuk1  +   749d ago
i just devs continue to use the extra power in the ps4,
waht we have to remember here is if 1080p and 60fps was possible on xbone it would be at that.
maybe down line they manage it but by then i expect ps4 to be tweaked even more and be further infront then.

DLNA and usb hardrive for film support
3d bluray support
always mute online/voice of speakers needed badly as fed up with people panting or swearing on games.
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PLASTICA-MAN  +   749d ago
Considering the Tress-FX which puts down most of the high end PCs, the extra added next-gen effects, lighting and physics, running at native 1920 x 1080 at 60 FPS it is a technical avhievements even for high-end machines ( you can bring your Alienware or Origin quad SLI Titan + 64 gigs of RAM which you can only see in your dreams or fairly tales, we are talking mainstream here, check Steam polls, most of users are stuck with GT 9800 which i used to have before my old HDD was fried). Devs who knew what they do weren't lying about the PS4 being high-end.
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vigilante_man  +   749d ago
Good news that PS4 version is NOT being held back graphically. A good game is a good game regardless but it makes sense to push each platform to its limits.

It must be clear to all now that PS4 is more powerful - but both will do an amazing job with next gen games.

I could not tell you what fps or graphical technology my fave games on the PS3 were. I didn't care because they were great games. They were also pushed to their limits at the time.

I think we will get this fuss about games for a while because of all the 360 versions of multi-platform games that were slightly better looking last time around due to it being the lead platform for the developer.

What goes around has come back around. But from a PS4 owner I wish only great times ahead and awesome gaming experiences for ALL new owners of XB1 and PS4. We are gamers first!
Gamer1982  +   749d ago
Hmm wonder what the xbots will say now.. They constantly been saying 1080p not important only 60fps important.. Bet we get a 1080p more important from them now.. How about get both? 1080p and 60fps on PC.. Hell I'll even raise you a 4k :)
morganfell  +   749d ago
"Amazing. Another no name site with no source at all and it's posted here as article like it's news. N4G is just hilarious and so are fanboys. It was confirmed both run at 30 fps."

Source for both at 30? If you are going to attack an idea that has a source at least you could refute it with one of your own.

And if you knew anything about the author you would be aware he is a well known and respected Gaffer.

BTW BallsEye, here:

"The PlayStation 4 version of Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition runs at 60 frames per second, executive producer Scot Amos has confirmed.

The Xbox One version is still believed to run at 30FPS, half the speed of the PS4 version.

"Looking here, this is the PS4 version running at 60FPS, again at 1080p," Amos said during a GamesRadar livestream last night. "That's awesome for that to be able to showcase because when you get your hands on it you can feel it."
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Sarcasm  +   749d ago
The sweet juicy salty tangy tears in here are great.
Prime157  +   749d ago
I love my ps4 and I hate comments like, "Ps4 is the future and the future is ps4."

I also find it ironic that there are more people attacking this "predominately Sony" site than actual Sony lovers commenting. If I went into a ms article I'd get flagged for trolling by saying something anti-ms too.

This site is about not pisiing others off, that's why you lose bubbles. That's why miku and sasuke have 1 bubble to blow on their fanboy jargon.

It's a respect thing, we all have opinions, n4g has been one of the fairest means of expression because you can't just keep spewing arguments back and forth like on kotaku, as you can get bubbled down for not treating someone the way you want to be treated.

Also, the articles here can be submitted by anyone, but apparently some don't get that.
Zancruz  +   749d ago
@Eonjay Wait! Wait! Are they telling us Xbox One can NOT even handle an last gen game? *Points at X1* Lmao
ITPython  +   749d ago
This is why it's important for the PS4 to have solid sales, because if the XB1 was beating the PS4, devs would focus more on the XB1 version and the PS4 version would be gimped and would run well below what it can handle.

Cause while not as extreme as last gen, that was the case with the 360 and PS3. 360 got all the love and the PS3 got the neglected versions of games, even though it was more powerful. But when devs focused on the PS3 version first and foremost and 'ported' to the 360, both consoles got the best quality possible for them.

So if the PS4 keeps getting the sales love, both PS4 and XB1 get the highest quality versions possible. Because devs make the best version on the PS4, then dumb it down however much is required to run on the XB1.

PS4 winning sales and popularity = best for everyone. XB1 winning and taking popularity = only good for XB1.
fr0sty  +   749d ago
You know it's bad when a last gen game with minor improvements struggles to run on the hardware.
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Jughead3416  +   750d ago
Guess this really is the "definitive edition" for PS4.
gamingisnotacrime  +   750d ago
in this case Definitive Edition stands for something

a great game just got better

and yes resolution and fps matter a lot
TheFallenAngel  +   750d ago
Lets wait until the dust settles lololol. Lets be happy developers are not gimping down the PS4 version. Hell even infinity ward din't gimp it.
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Eonjay  +   749d ago
Crystal Dynamics already confirmed it during Twitch 1 hour demo via Q&A
Alexander1Nevermind  +   749d ago

With all of Microsoft's back door shenanigans, I pleasantly surprised they haven't been able to pay off devs to gimp their multiplats.

For the record I've played and conquered on PC so I won't be getting it for the PS4.
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Bathyj  +   749d ago
Exactly, this is the best thing about this. I dont care what the Xbone version is doing, I wont be getting it anyway. I care they made the PS4 version as good as they can make it. It bades well for future releases.
ramiuk1  +   749d ago
im just waiting for a dev to pop up and say clouds crap and aload of fog and mist hahaha
AngelicIceDiamond  +   749d ago
Didn't they announce both consoles were running at 30 fps?

If this is indeed true then I what about this.

"Its ok to be 30 frames for an open world its normal for shooters and racers" etc, etc. Just rational behavior when both are.

Preparing for the hypocrisy and backtracking now.

In fact, let me get it going. "Xbone is weak" " Its under powered" "Inferior" "a joke"

There we go.

Other than that I've already played it so its not a buy for me especially at 60 bucks.
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BitbyDeath  +   749d ago
If you're happy to wait a while I expect it'll end up on PS+ before the year is out.
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Oner  +   749d ago
The problem is YOU ARE NOT RIGHT!

Scot Amos has confirmed he was misquoted in that article. He clarified that it should have been this ~

"There were some misquotes. Our goal was 1080p 30 FPS minimum. And as you can see here, the PS4 version, is clearly running at 60."

Now what's your next excuse gonna be? Because the FACT is that the XB1 is weaker/inferior on a hardware level no matter how you try to rationalize it.

Now what was that about "fanboy hypocrites"?

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Majin-vegeta  +   749d ago
You sound a tad salty Angel.I think you've had enough N4g for one day.

OT:This is good news for PS4 players :).
AngelicIceDiamond  +   749d ago
@Oner "Now what's your next excuse gonna be? Because the FACT is that the XB1 is weaker/inferior on a hardware level no matter how you try to rationalize it. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. I've been here for almost 4 years I've heard it all I'm way pass that.

And part 2 of the act. Lol I got someone mad that was easy.

I'm only gonna explain this one more time. I don't care about frames, that's fine. But I do care about how suddenly the 30 frames is dreadful though 2 weeks ago its fine cool and dandy when it was across both platforms.

If it was a misquote that's fine but it still exposed the fanboys none the less

So what about Infamous 30 frames. Are people gonna bash that? Exactly that's what I thought. I won't further use that as example due to my respects for the devs and I'm a huge fan of Infamous.

Its all just boasting out of no where when clearly it was cool to have 30frames in Tomb Raider BEFORE this announcement. The useless act of downplaying one console to make the other console look better is the usual gist. Got something to say about that? naah probably not.

Probably just more "Xbone" this and "Xbone that."

@Jacked Oh no someone needs to keep the fanboys in check and call out hypocrisy such as my first statement. You guys don't like it but I don't care. Could care less.

Its like fanboys celebrate over the littlest of things. 900p here and 1080P here Omg yes!

Enjoy the celebration though most of you still don't care and won't be picking it up. Your just reassuring the PS4 is better.

And you know that's ok actually.

@Majin No, I'm good. But thanks for checkin though.
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zeuanimals  +   749d ago
Emma, there's too many Sony fanboys everywhere. The PS4 is outselling the X1 and X1's are in stock almost everywhere while the PS4 isn't and whenever there is a new shipment of PS4s, it's gone in less than a day.

Know what this tells me? The PS4 is just more popular than the X1, of course you're going to see more Sony fanboys than X1 fanboys. And many people were soured by the X1 over the previous year that it's hard for many to be neutral.

Even if people have gotten over the X1's horrible lead up to launch, there's still a ton of bad news coming for it almost every week. It's not like people are just going to overlook the fact that one system is inferior to another. I know a number of people who are enjoying the X1's games a lot more than the PS4's, but they won't stop talking crap about the X1's multiplats sucking a lot more and how they're gonna buy them all on the PS4.
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Kayant  +   749d ago

"So what about Infamous 30 frames. Are people gonna bash that? Exactly that's what I thought. I won't further use that as example due to my respects for the devs and I'm a huge fan of Infamous." - Do you know how open it is? Atm it's already doing more technically than DR3 did in terms of resolution, AA etc. But then again it's no easy to do a apples to apples comparison on both.

And from the above the only one to have started the *omg xbone is weak* *hahaha can't even do 1080p 60fps* is you. Not once did anyone say that all they said is that it depends on a title to title basis.
Why o why  +   749d ago
Inner pain masquerading as reactive banter. Deflect all you want but this, for obvious reason pains you and many ms supporters. The passive aggressive nature of comments only hype up the people you're trying to fool. Its all good though right:)
Ares84HU  +   749d ago

You don't own all the consoles. You own an Xbox One or Xbox 360. You don't have a single Sony console. If you did, you would't be talking like that. You make it way too obvious that you are an Xbox fanboy.

People who own all consoles don't pick sides, but you do.

So how about you be quiet?

Thank you!
Angeljuice  +   749d ago
As a Sony fan I can honestly say that the difference between 60fps and 30fps on a game like Tomb Raider won't make a great deal of difference to the end-user experience.

It doesn't mean the PS4 version will be more fun to play, however it does yet again prove that the PS4 is more capable/powerful console.

If you have an XB1, enjoy it. It is by all accounts a very good console, however if you start saying that:

a) The cloud gives XB1 an advantage over PS4

b) The Xbox is more "balanced" making it more powerful than XB1

c) Microsoft's "superior software" makes up for the hardware advantage of PS4

d) There is a hidden secret weapon hidden in the Xbox that is yet to be unlocked

You will be called out for spewing garbage.

The Sony fans on this site do need to calm down a bit, there's nothing more annoying than gangs of people gloating every time a multiplatform game is released and performs better on PS4.

By now everyone that knows anything about hardware knows the PS4 is more powerful. The evidence is overwhelming. However that doesn't mean that it is a better console choice for everyone. If you love Microsoft's exclusive titles, having a more powerful console that can't play any of those exclusives isn't going to make you happier.
Some prefer the Xbox because of Kinect and the voice activation, and although I don't understand that myself, I can respect diversity and individual choice.

Both sides need to calm down. Microsoft fans need to think before they talk utter BS about their system being on par/superior power wise and Sony fans should be more dignified and understanding of others purchasing decisions.

!!! It's not all about power for everyone !!!
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kupomogli  +   749d ago

"The Sony fans on this site do need to calm down a bit, there's nothing more annoying than gangs of people gloating every time a multiplatform game is released and performs better on PS4. "

Nothing against your post really, but last gen 360 fans gloated about games that had no noticeable differences or ever so slight differences, rather than just the few that had very noticeable differences.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but you can imagine how some PS3 owners felt about the constant belittlement. We're two months, going on three right now for the Xbox One. How about seven years?
NeoTribe  +   749d ago
Its been confirmed already dude. There is no "i thought both ran at 30". You thought wrong. Ps4 gets best multiplat. Fact.
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TheTrooper  +   749d ago
@EmmaRio LOL! You're a strange little man.
Joey_Leone  +   749d ago
It shocks me how there's some people who are willing to buy an XboxOne over the PS4, The PS4 is $100 cheaper,DRM free, AD free and it's MORE powerful. It just really shows how much XboxOne consumers care about gaming.
n4rc  +   749d ago
Or shows how arrogant some people are..

How mad does it make you that I'd gladly pay $100 more for my Xbox one?

Here's a quick tip for life.. What you think doesnt mean shit to anyone but yourself..

You like your ps4? I should hope so.. I enjoy my Xbox.. But why can't you accept that?

I've been gaming since the late 80s.. Are you even that old? who the hell are you to decide what gamers should want?
AsimLeonheart  +   749d ago

He is a fellow human being who has the right to guide and advise another person. Man too much liberty is getting to people's heads. Rights and liberty have gotten so out of hand that people do not want to be bothered even when committing suicide. They do not want to be criticized even when making foolish and irrational decisions.
People buy products for the value they offer. Value is judged by evaluating the price one has to pay for the benefits one gets (whether material or sentimental). You get higher value when you get more benefits by paying less. That is common sense and rationality in essence. Paying more for less and being stubborn about it is pure stupidity. You want to be foolish and don't even want others to tell you that. PS4 is clearly the superior and rational choice when considering material benefits. Xbone can only be a better choice if it holds more sentimental benefits for you and you do not care for material benefits. Plato put it very accurately when criticizing democracy and liberty; it is an unmixed wine that makes a person intoxicated and irrational if dispensed in excess.

"Why, when a democratic city athirst for liberty gets bad cupbearers for its leaders and is intoxicated by drinking too deep of that unmixed wine, and then, if its so-called governors are not extremely mild and gentle with it and do not dispense the liberty unstintedly, it chastises them and accuses them of being accursed oligarchs." (Plato on Democracy and Liberty, Plato's Republic)
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DigitalRaptor  +   749d ago
@ Joey

I'm not so surprised. Microsoft has been warping people's perceptions of gaming and this industry for years. You can see it in the boasting of non-gaming features as things that supposedly make the Microsoft console superior this time.

The kind of audience they were going for with the Xbox One is a carefully constructed one. It's the living room, the family, the non-gamer before any other. However, I still don't think the family demographic is tagging along quite so well as when they introduced the Kinect last gen. There are better and less expensive alternatives in a number of different regards.

And it's still going to work to their disadvantage, as they want the whole cake and also think that they get to eat it.

I'm glad Sony yet again, went for the audience this industry and our passion is centred around. "Know your audience" - seems Microsoft does and at the same time... doesn't.
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Prime157  +   749d ago
N4rc, your condescending tone makes you no better than what you are advocating against.

Whereas I agree with the meaning of your words, the words you chose make it hard for me to agree with you.

When an xbox article dominates the n4g meter there are just as many annoying xbox fanboys as Sony fanboys in this one.
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Akuma2K  +   749d ago
Lmaoooooo....that pic of Leonardo Dicaprio dancing is funny as hell.
Shadowolf  +   749d ago
Lol! Yes it is!
Ares90  +   749d ago
It's from 'The Wolf of Wall Street'

Great Movie!
RVanner_  +   749d ago
Banter, bloody awesome film too
come_bom  +   749d ago
If this is true, then this is getting ugly for the X1. It's unacceptable that a new console can't handle games at 1080p/60fps as a norm.

Unless Microsoft releases juggernaut exclusives like GTA/Read Dead or something similar on their console, no way in hell I'm purchasing the X1. Halo is a big game, but I'll never buy a console simply for a FPS. Yes there are few X1 exclusives that i would like to play, but nothing that really justifies the purchase of a 500€ console.

At this moment the X1 has very little value for me. I'm curious to see what X1's sales are going to be a year from now, when the initial hype for a new console fades away
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starchild  +   749d ago
I'm a PC gamer and even I don't see it as that black and white. It's always about trade offs on consoles. If you demand all games be 1080p and 60fps all that means is that the games will have significantly inferior visuals than they would have otherwise.

Most games on the PS4 are 30fps anyway, so I don't know what you are comparing it to. There isn't any console that runs all games at 1080p and 60fps.

Even this game, Tomb Raider, isn't truly 60fps on the PS4. Much like KZSF or Need for Speed Rivals (before the patch), it has a variable, uncapped framerate that swings around and only hits 60fps part of the time. You can see the judder in the gameplay video in the other article.
BelkingOfSony  +   749d ago
Xbox one can't handle a port of a game released on way inferior hardware at 60fps?
Imalwaysright  +   749d ago
This isn't the port of the console versions. Its a port of the PC version.
cell989  +   749d ago
lol at your name #wellplayed
Crazyglues  +   749d ago
@ Xsilver -(the very first post under this story)

bubbles for you making me laugh so hard in the morning.. LMAO.. priceless

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Albie360  +   749d ago
Where are the comments from that Truefan asshole NOW!!!!
Mr-Dude  +   749d ago
I'm happy the PS4 will archieve the 1080p 60fps, but this is something I expect from a next-gen console..

On the other hand, I feel a bit sorry for the owners of the X1, they have a console what has problems archieving this..
I hope for their spended money, this will get sorted
bryam1982  +   749d ago
we all know which console is running a graphics in every game just the xbox720 fanboys won't agree
neogeo  +   749d ago
bubs up for that epic link
assdan  +   749d ago
In shocking news, a console twice as powerful gets twice the performance. I don't see how this is a surprise to anyone at this point except for the most extreme xbots.
Sci0n  +   749d ago
In before the xbots says higher locked framrates don't matter. Suddenly this gen nothing superior matters and according to them everything inferior matters and is good.
xTheMercenary_  +   749d ago
first time i hace seen this gif and i love it LOL.
ethomaz  +   750d ago
Expected... that is a power difference between the two.
ic3fir3  +   750d ago
the info not confirmed, its rumour for now, link is broken dont prove nothing
ethomaz  +   750d ago
Xsilver   750d ago | Spam
Riderz1337  +   749d ago
It's confirmed lol. Scot Amos said he was misquoted when sites were reporting 30 FPS. He said when they began creating the definitive edition, he wanted MINIMUM 1080P 30 FPS. The PS4 version runs at 60 FPS.
jessupj  +   750d ago
It's funny you getting disagrees for stating the truth.

I don't know why MS fanboys have such a hard time with this simple fact. You can still have a great time with your X1, just stop with the denial because you're running your whole group further into the groud.

It's good to see developers are taking advantage of the PS4 hardware instead of holding it back.
DigitalRaptor  +   749d ago
I was saying this earlier.

Xbox fanboys can't handle established facts, and trying and downplay anything and everything by calling out out those people using facts, as fanboys, rather than dealing with them. Instead, denial is a place they prefer to dwell.

They also can't handle the fact that Sony is in a better place this generation. They have a more powerful, more future-proofed, cheaper console with better and fairer services, more games in development from a wider, more diverse array of genres, and are getting better feedback from developers - with examples like this showing that no amount of pressure for parity from Microsoft can hold back developers working on superior hardware any more.

They also can't handle the fact that more people are proving they want PS4 over the Xbox One, and that is it simply a better gaming console built for gamers, gaming and everything else that benefits this industry. The tables turning have really affected a great many emotionally.
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SpideySpeakz  +   749d ago
I thought this was known for months? DF did comparisons between the two spec system, and confirming the PS4 gets twice the frame rate than Xbone at max settings.
Of course, they did it on PCs, but the specification was the same.
MorePowerOfGreen  +   750d ago
OK. Fair enough.

Where does XB1's info come from?
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ethomaz  +   750d ago
It is true.

The guys said that the 30fps talk was a misquote.


Scot Amos (Tomb Raider executive producer): "They were some misquotes. Our goal was 1080p 30 FPS minimum. And as you can see here, the PS4 version, is clearly running at 60."
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ic3fir3  +   750d ago
say ps4, because play on ps4, dont say xbox one run only 30fps -_-
ethomaz  +   750d ago
@ic3fir3 I agree... I was just replying to the guys saying it was fake because it was confirmed 30fps before but we know now the PS4 version runs at 60fps... Xbox One is unknown yet.

BTW you are reporting fake with a old news saying 30fps for both... it is not true.
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ThatCanadianGuy514  +   750d ago | Well said
"OK.Fair enough"

That is the most i've ever seen POG acknowledge Xbones shortcomings.

That's how you KNOW this is megaton.
ape007  +   750d ago
well, u can celebrate now xD
MightyNoX  +   749d ago
It's been a rough week. :)
pyramidshead  +   749d ago
Lol same. I had to read it three times at least to check if he wasn't being sarcastic :P
jessupj  +   749d ago
I apologise if this comes off as patronising, but I think Green deserves a huge round of applause from all of us for acknowledging the issue and not trying to down play it like so many others do.

I hope the usual suspects can follow your example.

Well done sir. Well done.
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FlunkinMonkey  +   749d ago
The usual suspects? You mean his multiple accounts (many of them anyway)? One would hope that now the master brain has given in to just one of the multiple examples XBone's shortcomings, the rest would follow.

Somehow I doubt it.
pyramidshead  +   749d ago
Bubble up for accepting the situation.
DanielGearSolid  +   750d ago
Dude, this a pretty big deal

They couldn't get to 60Fps on x1?

I need to know
staticdash22  +   750d ago
Expected. Mark Cerny is probably like
coldfoot  +   750d ago
Here is the info:
The site opens up for me after a few tries:
DCfan  +   749d ago
One mirrion twoops.
ThatCanadianGuy514   750d ago | Trolling | show
Bathyj  +   750d ago
Oh Geeze
ape007  +   750d ago
XiSasukeUchiha  +   750d ago
Damn 1080p 60fps only on PS4
wtopez  +   749d ago
Yes! I mean it's not like it's possible on PC.
Doink  +   749d ago
B.itch please 2160p 24xaa 60fps only on PC !
Angeljuice  +   749d ago

The PC version is graphically inferior though and misses out on all the bells and whistles added to the next gen versions. It's not a direct comparison.
I'm not saying a powerful PC couldn't run this version with faster framerates, just that you will never get to try it out.
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Doink  +   749d ago
Yes the console versions looks better but is not because better textures, well only in Lara's face, but mostly it does have better lighting, not a big upgrade
Sarobi  +   750d ago
Oh boy. I best get out of here before the fire picks up.
wenaldy  +   750d ago
PersonMan  +   750d ago
That kinda sucks! I wanted a CONSISTENT experience. Say all you want about frame rates, but the best kind of frame rate is a constant frame rate that doesn't go up or down.

I want 30 or 60, but nothing in between. It makes for juddery stuttery game play when you get duplicate frames added into the mix. It doesn't make the game fun anymore.

This news may just turn me away from picking up the PS4 version.
gamingisnotacrime  +   750d ago
u better turn away from PS4

i dont understand the logic but i support u

Clarence  +   750d ago
Yeah ok
Kivespussi  +   750d ago
I'd also rather have a stable 30 fps than jumping between 55-60 fps. I mean that'd just ruin the experience.
PersonMan  +   749d ago
Do you know what judder is?
PersonMan  +   749d ago
I guess people don't know what judder is, so I'll explain it.

If the frames per second does not divide evenly into the refresh of the monitor, it has to make up for those missing frames by duplicating some of them which will make the image appear jumpy or stuttery.

For example. If you have a 60Hz monitor (most people do), you'll see 1 frame per screen refresh at a time. That would be 60fps. In a 30fps game, you'll see each frame twice, which will still result in smooth motion.

However, when the framerate doesn't divide evenly into the refresh rate, you'll get a duplicate frames sometimes and unique frames other times which can look like your game has small pauses each time you see 2 duplicate frames in a row.
r2oB  +   749d ago
@ PersonMan

Why would this news turn you away from the PS4 version, and not the game entirely?

According to the article the Xbox One version does not have a consistent frame rate either.

Stealth trolling?

Also, I doubt the inconsistent frame rate is due to duplicate frames as opposed to dropped frames.
Kavorklestein  +   749d ago
So Kive says the same thing as Personman, and Kive gets thumbs up, and Personman get thumbs down? LOL WTF is that crap? Person and kive you are BOTH Correct tho, consistent framerate with no judder is by far more enjoyable to me, anyway...I play resident evil 5 and 6 on my pc, and I prefer to have it on 30 fps, because even though the game runs smoother, for some random reason, my character jiggles around when he walk and runs and it totally ruins the immersion and looks stupid. Bubbles for both of you!
PersonMan  +   749d ago
@R2oB: I'm turning away from the PS4 version specifically because I have a PS4 and not an XBox One.

Also, I already have the game on PS3 and it looks and plays fantastic on it.
coldfoot  +   750d ago
None of the COD games hit a consistent 60fps on consoles, yet people still buy them by the millions, just saying...
PersonMan  +   749d ago
That's great. People buy a 60fps shooting game.

If a game runs at a flat 60fps (no dipping below) then it's fine, but if it runs at 60fps in some areas and 30fps in others, the inconsistency bothers me.

Also, couldn't they make the game look even better if they shot for a stable 30fps? At 30fps, the developer has TWICE the amount of time to render each frame.
PS4isKing_82  +   749d ago
You want a consistent experience? Xbox one will give you a consistently negative experience with last gen performance. You might as well stick with xbox 360 if a brand new system can't or struggles to achieve 1080p and 60fps in most games.
Metallox  +   750d ago
Popoffboy187718   750d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(3)
Jughead3416  +   750d ago
If this is true, then can you really call the XBOX ONE's version the definitive edition? Seems PC and PS4 would be right?
BG11579  +   750d ago
This is not news.
It's just the realization of what many already known.
Jughead3416  +   749d ago
I'd say it's news because so many were disappointed thinking the PS4 and XBOX versions would be only 30FPS, and not worth the price tag.

It's not news that the PS4 is more powerful though. Glad to see that the less powerful system isn't holding back the PS4.
Joey_Leone  +   749d ago
LOL some people disagree with you.
kneon  +   749d ago
I guess those disagrees come from people that wish the less powerful system was holding back the ps4 ;)
Kivespussi  +   750d ago
I expect this comment section to be nothing but sivilized conversation. Maybe we'll figure out meaning of life, maybe solve an impossible math problem.
jmac53  +   750d ago
Maybe learn some spelling.
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Gridloc  +   750d ago
I would suggest an english lesson first, then try your hand at math...
Heisenburger  +   749d ago
Kivespussi  +   749d ago
Aww. Sorry about my not-so-perfect english skills. Not a native speaker. English is actually my 3rd language so there'll be misspellings here and there. I can't really see what did I screw u on my previous comment? Help would be appreciated instead of criticizing.
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Aleithian  +   749d ago
Nice response. You misspelled *civilized.
ic3fir3  +   750d ago
Verified sources close to Rocket Chainsaw
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ have detailed performance and rendering quality of both the Xbox One and PlayStation builds of Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition. And for that we’re thankful. So here it is!

^^rumour for now, and devs, say, ps4 run 60fps because play on ps4 on stream, not play xbox one version
The_Infected  +   749d ago
Xbox One is much weaker than PS4. Quit trying to tell yourself different you're wasting your time. Read the title of this article and you should understand what I'm saying:)
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76erz24  +   750d ago
The more powerful and better console are two very different things.
coldfoot  +   749d ago
True, "better" console is subjective, most powerful is not.
urwifeminder  +   749d ago
Wont rebuy have it on pc with a better head frame rate is solid as well.
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Mikey94  +   749d ago
This is dumb it was already confirmed to be 1080p 30fps on both systems.
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BX81  +   749d ago
If true this is what I'm taking from it.
1. Ps4 is easier to dev for, but some devs already said that.
2. Xbox one can do 1080p contrary to what some have said.
3. Some have said the Xbox one is harder to dev for and this is the beginning of the life cycle, so 45-30 fps 1080p is a start. It's not 60fps 1080p but it's a start. I know nba 2k14 is 60fps1080p so it can be done. I also understand nba 2k has different things on screen than other games.
4. Is a question because I'm no tech guru. There was talk of MS releasing 10% more of something to be used. Does anyone know if that would help in this area? Also would a driver update help?
The_Infected  +   749d ago

#4 Sony will also release better drivers etc. so no it want really help. Also Xbox One already has a weaker GPU than PS4 and on top of that 10% is reserved for Kinect then last but not least you have Windows to code on which is horrible.

With PS4 you can code to the metal. See below link.
BX81  +   749d ago
Someone helpful respond. Thanks. I didn't ask what Sony has planned next.
imt558  +   749d ago
Quote :

3. Some have said the Xbox one is harder to dev for and this is the beginning of the life cycle, so 45-30 fps 1080p is a start. It's not 60fps 1080p but it's a start. I know nba 2k14 is 60fps1080p so it can be done. I also understand nba 2k has different things on screen than other games.

NBA2K14 is just a simple basketball playfield and of course, you can get 1080/60 fps.

But Xbone version has worse AA than PS4 version.
Eonjay  +   749d ago
The 10% boost is to get it up to 1.31Tflops of gpu performance. So there is still gonna be a 50% deficit on the Xbox One. Anything is better than nothing but even if the boost was completely correlated to frames, that would only give you 3 more frames. The PS4 would still be demonstrably better performance wise. There is no way for the xbox to make up for the 500 Gflop performance advantage the PS4 has without massive overclocking. And even then the xbox still be at a disadvantage. Its got as much to do with physics as it does math.

People like to rep the PS4 as the more powerful system... it just so happens that they are correct. Games will lokk great on Xbox... bu5 every multiplat should look better on PS4 because of the priorities Sony set when designing their machine.
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BX81  +   749d ago
Thanks for responding and including the ps4 for some reason. You answered half the question about the Xbox one and included more information about the ps4. For the love of god can some one answer if a driver upgrade would help in this area without being droid enough to bring up the ps4 or say the gap is only going to increase? All these meat heads act like this tech won't be outdated in a year. I'm not asking about the ps4 I want to know if a driver update will make 60fps and 1080p easier to hit with the XBOX ONE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PS4.

Fanboys/trolls need not respond.
Eonjay   749d ago | Personal attack | show
LoveOfTheGame  +   749d ago
Hmmm mark down for personal attack or bad language? You fanboys always make these decisions so hard.

He simply wanted a question answered about the X1 and you felt it necessary to bring in the PS4 to the topic. He also stated early to someone else that he just wanted info on X1.
Eonjay   749d ago | Bad language | show
BX81  +   749d ago
Grow up gents. Why is everyone so mad? Unless I missed something here no one mentioned the driver update. I don't want a comparison as to what Sony is doing. Obviously the ps4 is stronger and going to improve more over time. Is this how you conversate as adults or does maturity go out the window when were clacking away on our key boards? @ eonjay no I haven't tried to educate my self on MS driver updates and what they mean tech wise, other than ask fellow gamers. It's a form of research is it not? No need to get Johnny upset over it.
Angeljuice  +   749d ago

I won't mention the competition whilst answering your question as best I can.

Yes, of course a 10% improvement would help. You don't have to be a tech-guru to know that a 10% improvement will improve things. At my best guess, it would improve things by approximately 10%. You haven't specified exactly what you have have heard is receiving a 10% improvement, so whether or not it will improve things in the way you want it to is completely unknown, however, whatever does receive the 10% improvement will likely be slightly better at doing its job.

I can see that you are no tech-guru (logic-guru or intelligence-guru for that matter), by the fact that you posted one of the stupidest questions I have ever read.
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BX81  +   749d ago
I'll make the question easier for you then. Some times when we type we assume that others know what we mean. I wanted to know what this 10% was used for and if that 10% could improve graphics or fps.... Basically what it could be used for. Also obviously about the driver update. But thanks for your response up until the end then you just became a meat head.
ironmonkey   749d ago | Trolling | show
silkrevolver  +   749d ago
Ooooooooooof course it does.
jon1234  +   749d ago
as much as a sony lover as i am, i find it very annoying that people are gloating about this -_- just be happy you can play the god damn game
Necro_559  +   749d ago
Yeah but no where in the video does he say the XBox ONE doesnt as well. But typical reaction. I mean great, i will be playing the PS4 version. But i just think its funny. The
BanginBiscuitz  +   749d ago
I am just alittle confused because, YES he says "as you can see here on the PS4 its running at 60". He does not mention what the X1 runs at why is it that everyone must go and post that its at 30 when it was not stated in any part of the video? This is exactly how rumors are started stop making stuff up its not shown nor said from the people who MADE THE GAME.
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