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Microsoft’s Albert Penello on Browsing with Xbox One’s UI and Voice: “Fastest Navigation Out There”

Microsoft’s Director of Product Planning Albert Penello wrote about browsing the UI of the Xbox One and about the integration with voice commands, expressing great confidence in how fast it is.

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JunkieJedi4277d ago (Edited 4277d ago )

This all, of course, is acting on the assumption that the Kinect 2 works as well as they say it does - with all languages and accents. Somehow, I'm not entirely convinced it will. But if you're a suit wearing, educated and preferably wealthy North American you should be okay....but as far Micro$oft are concerned, who else matters??

OrangePowerz4277d ago

Or realistic, we all know the claims MS made about the first Kinect on what it can do and how great it can do it and that didn`t really work out.

P0werVR4277d ago

^

But that is the first one. Can you at least not consider the technology in it this time around?...or, your just angry???

OrangePowerz4277d ago

http://www.troll.me/images/...

I`m not saying they didn`t improve on the technology, only that I would take it with a grain of salt on how well it will work. It`s like if Sony would come out with a new version of Home for the PS4 and go on about how great it is. I would look back at the first one, their claims and start laughing at them.

-Foxtrot4277d ago

Thats a new one, anyone who criticizes or shares realistic comments on Microsoft thanks to what they've said in the past are now "Angry"

Well least we've moved on from using the word "troll" for now ¬¬

Haters - Trolls - Angry People

Eonjay4277d ago

Maybe they should just post a demo

Mustang300C20124277d ago

They have posted plenty of demos and I am sure more are on the way. Doesn't matter the same ignorance and people who claim they don't care for MS or anything related to them will still be hollering and wasting their time posting how much they don't believe or want a device more than they spend on what they say they enjoy. Nothing new.

georgeenoob4277d ago

Kinect 2.0 is mind-blowing. Too bad there's all these haters out there to not give it the credit it deserves.

Eonjay4277d ago (Edited 4277d ago )

@Mustang
I haven't seen any voice demos since the reveal. Have you? He is saying that it is smooth and quick, but wouldn't it be easier to just post a demonstration of it being used. Most people realize the presentation wasn't representative of the final product. We get that, things change; the interface is bound to evolve. There is only one month left so people are getting restless to see the voice feature in action.

Eonjay4277d ago

@Mustang

or Maybe Microsoft is waiting for the right time to show it. If I were on the marketing team, I would wait until a week before PlayStation launches, then I would ad bomb like crazy.

OrangePowerz4277d ago

@Mustang300C2012

I can`t speak for the others, but I will buy an Xbone. As soon as I can buy one without Kinect and I don`t care if it is a used console where the seller decided he will sell it cheaper without Kinect or if it is a new one in case MS decides to sell them without Kinect. I couldn`t care less about Kinect and I wouldn`t use it and therefore not willing to pay extra for it. If there are ever a few great games that are really awesome when using Kinect I would consider buying a Kinect as a stand alone device. As long as this is not the case no sale.

That`s not because I`m a Sony fanboy or something like that. That`s because I won`t support MS for forcing a device because they have invested maybe too much money on Kinect and want to get some profit out of it or because they want to get the casual market. They don`t force it because it makes games better. I`m sure I would have fun playing Forza 5 and Dead Rising 3, but not at the cost of paying extra for something that I don`t need for games and that doesn`t make gaming better.

JokesOnYou4277d ago

Why does it matter to folks who don't care about Kinect 2?

OT "Show me the money". I've seen small partial demos of specific Kinect/UI functionality but a hands on Live walkthrough would be welcomed. Understandably they are hard at work finalizing things for launch and of course things will constantly change for the UI so just show us when its ready is the best way to do business, despite my impatience.

UltimateMaster4276d ago

Yeah, both the Xbox One and the PS4 will have voice command, but honestly, I'd rather just use a controller.

nukeitall4276d ago (Edited 4276d ago )

@OrangePowerz:

The first Kinect had fantastic voice control and accuracy was excellent.

That said, instant switchin and voice commands makes ease of use the de-facto standard on Xbox One. Nobody else can touch that right out of the box!

Still really want to look for that controller, flick around with your thumb, then the controller is available and your apps/games are pinned for even faster access.

Kinect One is freakin awesome and I'm glad MS designed their console around it and stuck by their guns.

They did't let the fangirls ruin that part!

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SegaSaturn6694277d ago

Wasn't the kinect voice stuff staged on all the prior presentations?

pogayoga14277d ago

That demonstration at the reveal was all staged.
It was painfully obvious when Yusif Medi was demonstrating Skype, as the conversation was pre-recorded.

I just need to see this in action to believe it.

mhunterjr4277d ago

I've seen plenty of demonstrations with the press present that weren't staged. Members of the press asked to see certain things, and the presenters used Kinect voice features to access them.

Abriael4277d ago (Edited 4277d ago )

I doubt they'll be so crazy to launch with it not working, come on :D

Voice rec has done some pretty big steps lately.

OrangePowerz4277d ago

Sure it will work, question is how well will it work. It might work as well as MS claims or you might need to repeat phrases over and over again until it works.

kenmid4277d ago

Kinect for the 360 voice control works perfect, I don't see why Kinect 2 would be any differnt.

CynicalKelly4277d ago

I can't take anything seriously from a person who uses the dollar sign in Microsoft. I immediately write it off as some dribble from a fanboy.

It's like the people who use horrible uncreative insults like Shitbox and Gaystation. Why anyone takes these people seriously, I will never understand. Unfortunately a lot of people seem to speak this way on this site lately.

JunkieJedi4276d ago

Yes, let's immediately write off somebody's perfectly valid opinion because I don't like something they did - how very grown up and accepting of you.

I don't like it when people confuse your with you're but that doesn't invalidate their opinion to the point of nonsense...or make me assume they're idiots because they don't know the difference!

Additionally, the '$' you refer to was edited in after my comment was posted, originally I had just put a plain old 's' in the middle. But, upon looking at it I felt the '$' actually made a point that was relevant to what I was saying, in the context of the very sentence it is used it - whilst keeping an already lengthy comment from growing much longer.

Your reply added nothing to the discussion and only served to call me a fanboy whilst attempting to invalidate my opinion on the basis of a punctuation mark you disagreed with....a very fanboyish thing to do! ;)

Blaze9294277d ago (Edited 4277d ago )

Voice Commands on Xbox 360 work damn near perfect as it is. So why is anyone expecting less on a majorly improved version and next-gen system?

@JunkieJedi

"with all languages and accents."

how about just worrying about YOUR language and accent. If kinect doesnt nail ever dialect out there what is it a failure to you?

JunkieJedi4276d ago

The only way to ensure that it will respond to my language and my accent at launch - before I drop hundreds on it - is if it responds to all of them!

Additionally, I am not totally selfish and don't think ANYONE in the world should have to pay a premium price for something which won't work for them. Much like the reviled 'always on' feature they backtracked on - why should people pay for a feature they cannot use? Not to mention the cable features will only exist in the US as well at launch...Global users are buying the same kit for a (generally) higher price and not being able to use all these much touted features. I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if there was a possibility that these things wouldn't work/apply to you.

Insomnia_844277d ago

The real question is, even if it works, how many people will actually use it?? How many ppl use the voice commands in phones? Will they force it and try to make you like it or get use to it??

otherZinc4277d ago (Edited 4277d ago )

It's safe to say; Whatever the XBOX ONE Kinect does, it's better than the PS4 Eye.

kenshiro1004276d ago

You don't even have the console yet. Broad assumptions much?

nick3094276d ago

Kinect reads my accent greatly, my ios devices always think i swear at them.

CynicalKelly4276d ago

I don't think you can take the high ground on maturity when you are criticizing a corporation for not being a non profit organisation nor do I think it's comparable to link bad grammar invalidating an opinion to somebody childishly putting dollar signs in the name just because they won't provide a service for free.

Editing in the Dollar sign afterwards does not make it seem less childish, that is like saying "Xbox Done" and "Indiestation" are relevant and makes a point. It doesn't, it's just childish and using terms like that makes you seem like a fanboy, which invalidates your opinion as liking a product/company is not a reason for hating the other. It's rare they say anything with much merit.

I was not calling you a fanboy or even implying it, nor was I trying to invalidate your opinion. I was implying that if you type like a fanboy, then I will interpret you as a fanboy, and won't take you seriously.

And I highly disagree that hating fanboys is "fanboyish" I will be getting both consoles and will continue to pity the fanboys of both sides who say stupid things. If you had come off as an Xbox fanboy, I would still have called you out on it.

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OrangePowerz4277d ago (Edited 4277d ago )

My mouse and keyboards begs to differ, that`s only because I`m not using Window 8 :)

Edit: Since they use the Metro UI I can see why voice control would be faster. I just need to look at the 360 how fast it was to navigate around before they changed to the Metro UI and how slow it was afterwards to get to things.

M-M4277d ago

Awesome, can't wait to pickup my Xbox One on launch day.

B-radical4277d ago

Im with you on that one buddy! I know I wont use kinnect for gaming but ill perhaps use it for navigation.

kenmid4277d ago

lol, all the Disagree, the PS4 haters are in the room

ZHZ904277d ago (Edited 4277d ago )

I don't get it sorry but I am curious about this reading your comments you counter Xbox fanboys and side with PS side especially I read your report today that counters what Ksar has submitted.

http://n4g.com/news/1374264...

I always thought you'll be getting PS4.(Just curious)

Anyways I gave you an agree, we all should repect each other's choice.

corvusmd4277d ago

Why are you getting disagrees just for wanting an XB1? Are people so insecure that they need to try and crush your opinion..."No, you CANNOT be happy with an XB1...Sony said so"

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TechMech24277d ago

Xbox one gonna be great!!!!!!

christocolus4277d ago

i know ill definitly be using the kinect..it sounds very convinient and easy to use.

ape0074277d ago

Great, Xbox one sounds better each day

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Penello Talks PS5; Says He’s Not Disappointed & Believes that Sony Is Making Some Very Smart Moves

Following Sony’s PS5 deep-dive, former Xbox Marketing Director Albert Penello has been talking about Sony’s upcoming next-gen console.

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CaptainHenry9161930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

Price to performance, reputation, and if the Last of us 2 and Ghost of Tuishima reviews well Sony will have the advantage at launch. Not to mention all they need is one big exclusive at launch. Spider-Man 2 or Horizon would be a perfect launch title just saying. If they can sell this thing at $399 or $450 it's a win.

CaptainCook1930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

Meanwhile, Gears of War 5 Multiplayer will be running at 120fps on Xbox Series X. Confirmed by Digital Foundry.

I'd choose Framerate over loading times anyday

dantesparda1930d ago

Yuck, GoW5.
And of course Gow5 can run on sX at 120 frames it was design to run on xb1, a 1.3TF machine. Unimpressed!

CaptainHenry9161930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

Have not been interested in Gears since the early and mid 2000s. It feels stale and old to me now. Good game back in the day though. I could have played Gears 5 in that framerate with my PC so what is your point?

PS. What makes you think the PS5 can't run games in 120fps?

neutralgamer19921930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

captain

i can say for certain both console will be able to do 4k/60FPS or a bit lower res at 120FPS

I just don't want anymore 30FPS games

henry1916

price will be a huge factor especially if one console is $499 and the other is $399. It's about initial momentum and market share. Demon souls remake will launch with ps5

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TOTSUKO1930d ago

SSD is not just for loading times. It is tied to the gpu and has 2 cores (Almost equivalent to Zen 2 cores) in its controller to act as an extra pool of bandwidth. Confirmed by Digital Foundry.

Not to mention developers are more excited about the SSD tech they wanted for decades compared to extra power.

BTW Gears 5 is the worst Gears in the series. Can't believe people using that game as an argument when its even review bombed on the Xbox store itself.

BehindTheRows1930d ago

And I can run it, right now, at 144HZ on a device far better. So, you made absolutely no point at all. This is on top of the fact that, given the chance, the PS5 would be able to run Gears 5 under those same conditions I know some of you see some major "gap" here, but it doesn't exist.

Is the Series X more powerful? Yes. Is it big (like Pro → X big)? No. Not even close.

SyntheticForm1930d ago

I can't fully agree with this just because I personally don't care about Gears 5 at 120. I do agree about load time vs frame rate though.

I'd rather have better frame rates than faster load times, but, that's me.

Hungryalpaca1930d ago

If you’re choosing framerate over load times you should be playing on PC then.

Elda1930d ago

That is no way to sway me to buy an XBSX because of an old game that runs 120fps. Show off some new original must play AAA exclusives running at 120fps that will be impressive.

Exvalos1930d ago

You really going to be impressed at a last gen game, which was built to run on xbox vanilla, running 120 frames on next gen hardware? Must be nice to be an xbox dude as your expectations are so incredibly low.

REALAS1930d ago

And old games over new games, apparently.

S2Killinit1930d ago

Well if you like Gears of War 5 in smooth frames go for it. Im more excited for what Sony delivers generation after generation.

JesusBuiltmyHotrod1930d ago

I'll choose better games of the average gears of war thanks, Gears is exactly whats wrong with Xbox, mediocre and boring.

tay87011930d ago

Great so you get to play an enhanced mediocre game. While we get game of the year contenders with t.l.o.u.2 and g.o.t.

leejohnson2221930d ago

Oh really like all games on the X were said to be 4k and they simply were not?
Or high fidelity vr ? Best to wait and see as execs tend to lie

outsider16241930d ago

Happy for you man. But ill take Spiderman 2, Hzd, gow2 anytime anyday over 250fps gears of war.

Infact ill take GofTsushima and Tlou2 over it anyday.

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TheKingKratos1930d ago

""Meanwhile, Gears of War 5 Multiplayer will be running at 120fps on Xbox Series X. Confirmed by Digital Foundry.""

Wow... that's soo awesome , i am sure people will run like bats from hell to buy xbox now
/s 😒

It's like you guys live in another world.. how is gears 5 sales btw ?

MrVux0001930d ago

That's not much of a braging point considering GOW5 is a current gen game...

dekke1930d ago

im glad u have 120hz TV :P

morganfell1930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

One remark I read quite often on this site is the comment that technical specifications matter to people that visit sites like this because they are of more importance to knowledgeable people with insight as when compared to the average gamer. Then they turn around and make a remark that undercuts their entire claim by blindly focusing on one number.

A Teraflop is a contrived number. It is a technical estimation computed by examining the design of the chip. It is not a guarantee you will get that same number of teraflops on the screen because that silicon can be bottlenecked and/or hamstrung at any point along the way.

There is a reason developers are excited by memory throughput on the new consoles. Comments about this new feature dominate the remarks made by developers since word of this feature was announced by both Microsoft and Sony. Developers were not beaming over the new silicon graphics possibilities, it was the SSD offerings. Not even the possibility of raytracing excited developers as much as the SSD throughput. And in that matter the throughput of the PS5 is twice that of the Xbox series X. Laymen, of which there are more on this site than some think, do not understand how the SSD pipeline affects graphics including frame rate. With a custom flash controller to manage the flow insuring no bottleneck, and CUs operating at a higher clock speed no one downplaying the PS5 should be counting their triangles yet.

moriarty18891930d ago

the same gears 5 that has been abysmal online since the initial surge of players after it debuted?

bouzebbal1930d ago

Haha this clown is still around?let's look at the game and compare what's really appealing. X1x is a proof that games mean everything.

TKCMuzzer1930d ago

Whats your point? It runs at 60FPS on the X, we would be more surprised if it didn't run better on the new console.
But you do back others peoples comments, they are talking about playing games designed with the PS5 in mind, you are talking about an Xbox One game.

Atticus_finch1930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

Not even Xbox fans care about GeoW5. Lol

gravedigger1930d ago

Yeah, but where is Gears 5 now on most play list on Xbox Store US? Even with Game Pass? Yeah, you don't wanna know? But actually, at 39th place.

Edito1929d ago

Who want's to play Gears? lol

Now seriously Xbox as we speak has no games.

RedDevils1929d ago

You mean that turd 5 just get more shiny? Well, good luck with that.

Baza1929d ago

Enjoy your 13 second load times on previous gen games 😂

SpinalRemains1381929d ago

Frames are absolutely important, however not on inferior games.

I'd play Bloodborne over Gears any day, hands down....not even debatable without laughing.

Quality of game is paramount.

C-H-E-F1929d ago

@captaincook
You are also choosing an inferior system architecture, and mediocre exclusive titles that are shared on the PC platform. From the Xbox all the way to the Series X, you've been playing the same AAA exclusive literally beating a dead horse. I don't think people really realize how HUGE of a leap Sony has taken to the architecture of the PS5. Maybe next gen (ps6 / xbox series one X) when Microsoft steals the design for themselves you will see why it is being praised.

For those that don't understand, Sony just did what tesla is doing to the electric car industry. it's truely revolutionary and I just can't wait to see what is going to happen in the 1st and 2nd party market. I don't care for the 3rd party market because I will be buying those on the ps5 & pc so I will have the best of all worlds regardless. This generation is really astounding.

Thundercat771929d ago

You seem to forget that people have chose Playstation and Nintendo over Xbox any day a d it will be the same next gen.

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Christopher1930d ago

***and if the Last of us 2 and Ghost of Tuishima reviews well Sony will have the advantage at launch***

Eh, only if they have games coming for just the PS5 and not games that people already played on the PS4 or are held back by PS4 hardware.

oasdada1930d ago

if this is an excuse u have for lack of xbox one exclusives then it is a really sad one. while you enjoy your wait ps4 owners will be enjoying 2 huge exclusives

CaptainHenry9161930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

It still gives Sony momentum. Most Sony fan expects most of Playstation exclusives to be great and that will make them upgrade and purchase a PS5

Cmv381930d ago

That's not true. Having bc with those games makes gamers more confident in upgrading.

Christopher1930d ago

***if this is an excuse u have for lack of xbox one exclusives then it is a really sad one. while you enjoy your wait ps4 owners will be enjoying 2 huge exclusives***

Let me get this straight:

1. I make a comment about Sony needing games on PS5.

2. You make it about XBO not having games, which has been the reason many people have used for explaining why XBO lost this generation.

3. You don't understand the irony in your statement about Xbox is the one I'm making about PS5 when people make it about PS4 games being on PS5.

4. You think I only own an Xbox, let alone don't realize I owned a PS4 way before an XBO.

SyntheticForm1930d ago

Man, people are really trying to twist you up here.

sampsonon1930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

To me it means Sony is finishing off this gen masterfully. It shows potential ps5 owners that it's a good investment knowing AAA games are their focus. Even in a consoles last yr.

bouzebbal1930d ago

Are you saying that ps5 will be the first console ever to have last gen games only at launch? Lol...

Christopher1930d ago

***Are you saying that ps5 will be the first console ever to have last gen games only at launch? Lol...***

I'm saying the same thing many others have said here, if there are no exclusive games, there's not much reason to pick up new hardware if it only plays current-gen/crossover games. Does this rule not exist for PS5, just XSX?

Lol?

bouzebbal1929d ago

Yes lol, your post makes no sense..
A console never released without an exclusive.. I'm sure even ouya did.

S2Killinit1929d ago

I think Christopher means a console needs its own exclusive games. Which is very true. The PS5 will have exclusive games like every console before it of course but since Xbox SX does not have exclusives, what he says is not a moot point.

So yes, PS5’s PS4 heavyhitters like TLOU2 will be big drivers imo, but PS5’s own exclusives should be the focus going forward.

RedDevils1929d ago

Don't worry about Ps5 exclusives games in it firs 6 months. It will be available alright. But don't get your hope up of PS5 having no exclusive on launch day.

DarXyde1929d ago

I'm actually not against holding off on playing either game until I procure a PS5. I have a base PS4, so the enhancements would be our of this world for me.

Christopher1929d ago (Edited 1929d ago )

***A console never released without an exclusive.. I'm sure even ouya did.***

The XSX will release with no exclusives. Their games will be available on Xbox One as well.

The Ouya didn't release with any exclusives, just FYI.

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darthv721930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

So you are saying everything hinges on LoU2 and GoT reviewing well...?

And about the only thing that disappointed me about the PS5 was the bc. I was under the impression they would (at least) have digital PS1 support like the PS3, PSP, PSV has. Not having PS3 I can understand but even PS2 games have been given PS4 support (games like jedi knight 2 and racers revenge for example).

Otherwise I was very impressed with the PS5 and look forward to having one in my home.

CaptainHenry9161930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

No but it does help and keep that reputation going. Sony has already prove themselves with great first party exclusives year after year and I expect them to continue that trend. It's the reason why I bought a PS4

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SyntheticForm1930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

No, but they help promote the brand overall.

Sony's IPs (TLOU2 and Ghost) reviewing well would be a boon and give them momentum and you could therefore make the case for a PS5 saying "Well check this out, if you get a PS5 you'll get even more games like these!"

I hope that's what people are trying to say because I have to agree.

Kumakai1930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

yeah... complacency breeds a lack of innovation. ms is hungry and bringing it to the table. and they're going to have a lot more exclusives than just gears and halo. they've only slipped one right now: hellblade 2. they have 16 highly rated (now) first party studios all cranking at capacity for gen 9. don't expect xbox to be lacking quality exclusives this time. Couple that with superior hardware, better services like gamepass and xcloud. better support like software returns, free series x enhanced upgrades without the need to re-purchase a game, backwards compatibility across all generations - sorry. xbox actually has something to offer now - and its legit.

xX-oldboy-Xx1930d ago

But Sony has the better games, PS5 will be twice as fast at getting stuff on the screen - that surely makes up for any arbitrary difference in a tflop count.

Most of the decent studios ms acquired had already been making exclusively for xbox. The other are AA at best.

PS5 will have exclusives day 1 from 1st larty studios without it's baby brother screaming me to, me to. ms has crippled any performance gain of xsx by lugging the inferior xone/x into the dev cycle.

The SSD is where the big difference is coming from. Try and think a little outside the box. They're are both going at the same problem a different way.

TheTony3161929d ago

16 highly rated studios? That remains to be seen. Most of them haven't even released a game yet. Sony on the other hand has a proven track record.

RosweeSon1929d ago

You’ll be more likely to get a ridge racer, wipeout or Tekken for launch the real good stuff will be minimum 6 months after just so they can start getting the best out of the console.
Might even get a new Killzone or resistance

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glennhkboy1929d ago

The issue, up to this point, is the absence of a hardware. Show us the look of the hardware, show us some technical demo, show us the technical of that revolutionary sound design. It is strange because by now, the hardware design should be set in stone, and production should be already underway. Not showing any hardware, does this mean that the hardware design is still not ready at this moment?

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CaptainHenry9161930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

So now it's tf vs SSD. Will be a wild battle.

Went from a big smile on the SSD part to huh on the cu, gpu, tf part. Sony always do unique and weird $hit but it always works lmao😁😂

VER1ON1930d ago

It will be an interesting 'battle' indeed. Sony's installed base will play a large part in it.

darthv721930d ago

'secret sauce' argument incoming in 3... 2... oh they already started.

BehindTheRows1930d ago

Being part of the crowd who invented the 'secret sauce', I'm sure you know plenty about it. :)

@CaptainHenry916

The interesting thing is those who argue in favor of the SSD actually have a stronger point. It's an actual part inside the machine and can give you real world results. Floating point operations/second are, yes, a computational potential, but that's the extent. It's only a buzzword now because console gamers latch on to stuff like that without fully understanding what it is (it's the 'BitS" argument all over again).

snoopgg1930d ago

Sony will use the cloud to make ps5 more powerful. Lol!!!!

Atticus_finch1930d ago

Darth is still waiting for the cloud to make Xboxone x4 more powerful.

darthv721930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

@rows and the SX SSD is no slouch and already confirmed it can be utilized in much the same way that Sony is saying. Both are directly connected to the main cpu/gpu. Both have dedicated processors to help move that data along. sony just has an extra one to increase that speed but neither one is riding in the slow lane on the highway.

Cupid_Viper_31930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

It's amazing how you can rightfully perceive that SSD is indeed a very important part of the next-gen experience by the fact that both Sony and MS went to great length to integrate it into their respective consoles. And you again rightfully deduce that even with a 120% disadvantage, the Xbox won't be completely left behind in that department. But how come a 120% difference won't matter much, but a mere 14-17% will?

It's like people who see a supped up Corvette with 760 HP can't fathom that a supped up Mazda Miata weighing only half of what the corvette does would only require 500 hp to match the corvette while probably being more agile as well due to better overall weight distribution.

darthv721930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

@cupid, I prefer to look at them as a cheetah (PS5) vs a lion (SX) one is faster and one is stronger but neither are prey. Both are predators who are very good at what they do.

ElementX1930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

I doubt any game requires more than 2-3GB/Sec transfer rates. Nobody can answer me when I ask how much data is in one game location. I said in another thread that worlds load as you move, so when it takes you 10 seconds to walk across a city plaza, the game is loading in the background. Those 9GB/Sec max transfer rates won't matter because by the time you get to your destination, both consoles will have loaded the necessary data. If you teleport everywhere, like across every screen, then I can see the PS5 IO being helpful, but games don't work that way. You have to take into consideration travel time. No game will let the player travel at mach speed to use a constant 5+GB/sec data transfer. Level streaming will be seamless on both platforms. That's just open world games, games with actual levels don't need those speeds, either. Will a loading time of 3 seconds actually be any better than 5 or 6 seconds? How often do people fast travel? PS5 will maybe save you a couple minutes over the course of a day of gaming.

The-Matrix-has-you1930d ago

@elementx

That’s the point. With the additional speed, customizations and optimizations they have implemented in the SSD, I/O controller developers can change the way games are made. Your argument is based on what you know not what you haven’t seen created yet.

ElementX1930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

Most games will still run on PC so I'm wondering just how many features for velocity processing whatever and 9GB/s IO are going to be utilized.

I don't think games will fundamentally change. It will be an evolution not a huge leap. 9GB is awesome but I'm just wondering the actual benefits when most games will cater to the lowest denominator

Show me what 9gb/s can do that 2.5gb can't as far as level design. You still have to travel and how large are assets? How much data is required for a city in Witcher 3 for instance? I've tried looking online. Nobody can tell me, I've asked in two threads now.

rainslacker1930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

@Element

How much data that is in one location is irrelevant to the speeds by which it can be transferred across storage mediums and the bus. The point is, how much data can be moved within a time frame, and Sony gave a real world example of as quick as you can move the camera. MS dressed it up in PR, and for a group of people saying they want 100fps+, they aren't going to get that with the transfer speeds that MS allows with its design.

As to why no one can answer you, it's probably because you ask the wrong question, and the fact that there is no way to answer the question without knowing the design of the game, because as with many things in programming, the answer is, "it depends".

Toubabo_koomi1929d ago

Oh wow, now I'm imagining a game where you're in a jet travelling at Mach speeds with no texture degradation. It's all just there in perfect clarity no matter how fast you travel...

ElementX1929d ago (Edited 1929d ago )

I was simply trying to get a rough estimate of actual game asset sizes. If you fast travel to a city and the surrounding area is under say, 3GB, both consoles will load in about a second. I guess I want an idea of the amount of data we're talking about here. I'm sure no game will drop you into a location requiring 9GB of data, that just sounds absurdly high, but I dunno so I was asking and looking online.

How much data is streamed during normal travel? Wouldn't it be interesting to know? People are excited about IO but nobody knows what that's actually good for. We just have instant loading PR speak. If game assets don't require all that speed then you're paying more for an add on drive with no benefit other than a few seconds load time. 3rd party games will still run on Series X and PC

rainslacker1929d ago

I'd not look at it from the viewpoint of a full level, but rather, how much data is required to render a frame. That can vary quite a bit, but a 4K scene at 30fps, assuming a modest level of detail and number of objects(might be easier if you pick a few examples of games), would take maybe about 400-500MB of data for textures, and maybe 1/4-1/2 that amount for objects and everything attached to them(like AI or animation routines. There is a lot of shared data, which wouldn't have to keep being pulled in every time it's needed, and it'd make more sense to keep that in resident memory. A full scene in a game, as in keeping everything need that you may encounter between any load sessions will probably run anywhere between 2-4GB, with the rest of memory used for program runtime tasks such as actually running the game loop, or handling the rendering engine.

The application is going to determine the effect and benefit of this feature, and realistically, it wouldn't make sense to always be streaming data in every time you turn a camera, and chances are, scenes aren't going to require a lot of that. But it opens up the potential to have complex objects and high levels of detail on objects streamed in on the fly, instead of requiring some trick to load it in that would distract the user...like a cutscene or maybe an ominous sound that breaks the action until something jumps out at you.

It can allow for much more complex levels of detail which can allow you to zoom in close to objects, and add detail to them without having to keep that loaded in memory or have some delay when examining them.

As to how much data is streamed within normal travel....probably not much with the way things are designed now. Most games use what's called occlusion culling, which only loads things when you pass through certain areas, such as a tunnel or a room between two other rooms. Open world games use LOD streaming, which can load sections that act as a buffer between areas, but general information about the area you can see, but aren't in yet are streamed in on the fly. It's usually why there are such sharp changes when going from one "zone" to another, as opposed to the gradual change that you would normally see.

In the end though, how much is more of an it depends situation. There is no one answer, because there are numerous solutions. There are people who do nothing but think of ways to do things, and all of them get shared and reused, and improved upon over time.

S2Killinit1929d ago

From what is being said by devs, the SSD in PS5 is very much a secret sauce. A real one in this case based on actual hardware. While xbox is using a SSD, it is half (?) as fast as the PS5.

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Imortus_san1929d ago

You mean like the PS3 fuck up?

Hungryalpaca1929d ago

The thing is TF really doesn’t mean that much. It’s a very poor way of calculating power. Lower TF cards frequently outperform higher TF cards.

SwampthingsSon1929d ago

PS3 didn't work for MANY devs. It doesn't always work for them.

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thtruth5741930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

Sony did drop the ball. They solved a problem where one didn't exist with that audio stuff. They could have had a cheaper dedicated hardware solution then given us a better gpu. All the subscriber to df and there patrons is a clue. People want pixels and frame rates. The sad part is they could have had all Thad ssd stuff too. There is no value in spending money on something that 5 out a 100 people will notice. Mark Cearny should have to answer to the board. I'm a PlayStation guy and admit that the system is very dissapointing. No one ever talks about audio with any sort of sophistication. It's kind of a failure. Honestly. Mark Cearny because of the success of the PS4 was left to his own devices. That was a mistake. Like kojima on death stranding. He made a console he wanted, not one the people paying for it wanted. I mean it's Rdna 2 but not really. That was evident when he said the game with that raytracing with very little compromise at the end. It should've been zero if trully dedicated hardware was on the silicon. It's essentially a PS4 pro pro with better audio. Or a movie player with the best audio. That could have been a beast too. They messed up with that audio crap.

Magog1930d ago

The "audio stuff" is clearly part of their PSVR 2 program and VR is the future of gaming.

thtruth5741930d ago

Like Kinect...we will see. I'm a PlayStation guy and I'm the first to admit that I am.more excited for the Xbox. Someone on the board should have told him no with that audio stuff. Mailing photos of your ear and stuff. That cost them more money in the long run. Its a problem that didn't exist. The money would've been better spent on cpu and gpu stuff. Along with the ssd, that would have been a killer.

Cmv381930d ago

They had dedicated audio on the ps4 and went back to that. Series x also has dedicated audio...so I guess they dropped the ball too. Fanboys are weird.

thtruth5741930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

I bet they didn't spend a crap ton like Sony. I'm saying Sony went overboard with it.

ShadowWolf7121930d ago

I love how everyone bagged on Sony for not "innovating" with the PS4, then bag on them for innovating with the PS5.

That "audio crap" has the potential to fundamentally transform the level of immersion we have in gaming,

thtruth5741930d ago

But no one cares about that. Df had never mentioned it. It's frame rates and pixel count. They have millions of subscribers and patreon to watch their videos. People care about frame rates and pixel counts. It makes no business sense. Under pure academic scrutiny Sony missed the mark.

RememberThe3571930d ago

DF makes a point of talking about Sony's approach to audio in their spec breakdown. They're clearly impressed.

"Under pure academic scrutiny" Sony did some interesting and innovative things with the PS5 architecture. They didn't sell it well but the system itself is very interesting.

There's no reason why the PS5 needs to be a more powerful Xbox. If they weren't going to chase raw power with MS this is exactly what they should have done. They just should have sold it better.

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S2Killinit1929d ago

Pretty sure it will be great for VR.

zeuanimals1929d ago (Edited 1929d ago )

@S2Killinit:

It'll be great for everything, but I can especially see it working well for shooters and horror. Imagine being able to hear the exact position of another player in a shooter based on their footsteps. Not the general area like right now, but where they really are. Or having to realistically figure out where you're being shot at as you can hear bullets fly past. With horror, it's obvious.

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CernaML1930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

"They have millions of subscribers and patreon to watch their videos."

Digital Foundry doesnt even have one million subscribers on YouTube and I'll bet their Patreon subs are significally lower than that. All of their videos only get a few hundred thousand views at most.

Face it, PS5 will win the next generation because of Sony's history of strong game line ups like it always has.

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thtruth5741930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

Audio was an invented problem. No one cared. Sony is making people think they care. They had the ssd. They could have used cheaper custom audio and gotten better CPU and GPU tech with saved time and money. My point was when you do comparisons, sound isn't talked about. I stand by my thought. That sound thing is wasted resources.

CernaML1930d ago

My point is that no one cares about small graphical differences like youre trying to make it out to be.

The Digital Foundry audience is niche and the average consumer will go with the system that is priced better.

You people are making it out to be like the PS5 is a weak POS when its not even that far behind the Series X at all. The PS5 will do things better than the Series X just like how the PS2 was able to do things better than the OG Xbox.

TKCMuzzer1930d ago (Edited 1930d ago )

audio crap? So all you want it better graphics. You don't want advancements in immersion to do with gaming. I'm all for this, currently playing COD, surround sound makes anything up or down hard to tell it's location, if this new audio allows for precise location of sound then thats a winner. Also, I think your underestimating the effect this sound could have on the experience, if you understand the tech, its a serious sound upgrade.
You clearly don't realise the potential this could have. Graphics will reach a ceiling, other advancements need to be made to push gaming.
Also if you watch DF video they are clearly very excited for the sound but hey, you cherry pick the bits you want.

Atticus_finch1930d ago

"Audio stuff"
You don't know enough to make such a confident comment.

Chevalier1930d ago

" But no one cares about that. Df had never mentioned it. It's frame rates and pixel count. They have millions of subscribers and patreon to watch their videos. People care about frame rates and pixel counts. It makes no business sense. Under pure academic scrutiny Sony missed the mark."

They do? Weird I could have sworn the Nintendo Switch which have neither of those advantages just blew by 7 years of Xbox sales in under 3 years? Maybe it was my imagination? Oh right that actually did happen. Turns out the general population just wants the better games. Wow the PS1, PS2 and Wii also won by huge margins even though they were significantly underpowered too. Weird it's almost like the power in almost all the major generations didn't matter as much as we thought.

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Lamusiqa1929d ago

I totally understand where you're coming from because I'm a graphics whore (which is why I game on PS4 and PC) but since I play a lot of online multiplayer first person shooters with a surround sound headset, the idea of 3D audio is really exciting to me. It's a much-welcomed innovation particularly for the eSports crowd because it provides another level of immersion where you can tell the location of your enemy vertically as well as compared to right now where it's either left, right, front and back.

And it is indeed RDNA2 GPU. They have confirmed multiple times that the console will have hardware ray-tracing, just like the competition. And if you think having a dedicated RT hardware on the silicon won't have an impact on framerates when RT is turned on, the RTX series graphics card has got some benchmarks for you.

I would be lying to say that the Xbox Series X doesn't seem impressive. It is a beast in its own right but being 15% more powerful is just not enough anymore. PS4 GPU was roughly 50% more powerful than Xbox One when they launched

343_Guilty_Spark1929d ago

There is no dedicated block for ray tracing.

TheTony3161929d ago

Funny how everyone has a PHD in HW engineering as soon as new consoles get revealed. You most likely have no idea what you're talking about. I bet the PS5 will be the more successful console regardless of specs. But let's just wait and see lol.

ABizzel11929d ago

And if they went with a higher priced GPU then it would be a higher priced console. It's practically an RTX 2070s vs an RTX 2080s both of which are great GPUs, but easily $100 apart on the console level.

Hungryalpaca1929d ago

You have 0 idea what you’re talking about.

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MWH1930d ago

Come to think of it, it will be the first generation to move out of the ~30fps curse.

Mr Logic1930d ago

Don't count your chickens yet. Prettier games sell more.

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Albert Penello Leaves Microsoft After 18 Years

Albert Penello was the Senior Director of Marketing for Xbox. He was fairly active during leading to the launch of the Xbox One.

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Gazondaily2625d ago

"He was fairly active during leading to the launch of the Xbox One."

Which wasn't a good thing for Xbox 🤣 To the point where they had to the pretty much gag the fellow.

Christopher2625d ago

The man who created the "highest quality pixels" derision by editing out context from the video.

FITgamer2625d ago

Now they just need to get rid of Greenberg.

dirkdady2625d ago

Wasn't this guy known as the troll of Neogaf?

Gazondaily2625d ago (Edited 2625d ago )

Yeah lol. He had been waiting for Scorpio for ages.

You can't fault his passion but the manner in which that translated in his social media and forum posts and how he got thoroughly shut down on the weakness of those points really made the Xbox brand, in core gaming circles, look worse not better.

Obscure_Observer2624d ago

@FITgamer

"Now they just need to get rid of Greenberg."

Tottaly agreed.

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Obscure_Observer2624d ago

Phil Spencer´s restructure of the Xbox brand is still goin! Since he got promoted we got Booty in his place, Darrell Gallagher is now part of the Xbox Team and now Penello is out!

Future seems exciting! :)

chaos-emeralds2625d ago

Good. Xbox marketing has been awful and probably cost them. Games like sunset overdrive, recore etc should've had a better public perception.

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Wikkid6662625d ago

He had NOTHING to do with game marketing.

maybelovehate2625d ago

Recore was just not a good game. As for Sunset Overdrive, definitely agree. Still one of the best games of this generation.

Concertoine2625d ago

Recore is actually pretty good after a year of patches + some content. Weirdly middle market game that reminds me of the 6th gen.

Its evident that MS rushed the game after throwing a pc port on top, a lot for a small team to handle.

darthv722625d ago

the definitive edition of Recore is a much better game than the initial release.

Lenrulesdaworld2625d ago

good guy, glad to have met and interviewed him

masterfox2625d ago

This is actually a good news for xbox.

SuperSaiyanGod412624d ago

I'm surprised Greenberg is still there. I think he needs to go then we will see Microsoft start fresh.

Obscure_Observer2624d ago

@Auron

"Shannon Loftis??"

Will probably be replaced by Darrell Gallagher

PhoenixUp2625d ago

He was in for the long haul

The Xbox brand hasn’t even been around for 18 years yet

yellowgerbil2625d ago

Do you think the released the system the same day Bill gates said "sure let's get into the gaming business"? It takes years to make a console and was probably started in early 1999

Yohshida2625d ago

First XBOX launched in 2001, they started development before that... so yes he was their

No Way2625d ago

Their "Senior Director of Marketing for Xbox," it's in the article.

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Christopher2625d ago

He was hired because of the work he did at EA before that as well.

2pacalypsenow2625d ago

The Xbox project started in 1998.

PhoenixUp2625d ago

I know Xbox planning started in the late 90s, but the brand itself still hasn’t been around for 18 years

darthv722625d ago (Edited 2625d ago )

The initial reveal of the xbox was in 2000 the release was in 2001 so yes... it has been around for 18 years.

PhoenixUp2625d ago (Edited 2625d ago )

And the Play Station add-on was unveiled in 1991 with planning starting in 1988, that doesn’t mean that the PlayStation brand has been around for 27 years or 30 years respectively.

I count a brand’s existence as the time since it first released, not when it was first unveiled or its planning stages.

darthv722625d ago (Edited 2625d ago )

A brand does not become live when it releases... there has to be a reveal that sets the stage for the marketing and promotional material and release information for stores.

the release date is just that, when you (as a consumer) can buy it. Prior to that is setting up everything else (including the brand). Xbox has existed longer than 18 years (if you add in the planning stage) but it is the public reveal that is when it becomes live. Xbox was revealed at GDC in March of 2000. That is the date the brand was made public.

you really cant use release dates because back then they were usually staggered. PS released in JP in 94 so do you consider that the year the brand started or do you consider it 95 when it released in the RotW? Or perhaps earlier when they first revealed they were going to make their own game console after the break up with Nintendo (which was spelled differently by the way)?

PhoenixUp2624d ago (Edited 2624d ago )

Look at the documentation for any entertainment product or brand and you’ll easily see that the day it gets released is the day it starts actually existing. Everything prior to that is just conceptual that could very well even turn out to be vaporware.

- PSP for example was unveiled at E3 2003, but nobody adds on that year for the time Sony spent in the handheld market.

- Look at the character of Superman for example. He was conceptuallly created in 1933 but he didn’t actually get his publication until 1938 which makes him 80 years old in 2018, not 85 years.

- Deep Down was unveiled to the public five years ago. If that game were to ever come out, those five or more years wouldn’t be counted to the time the brand has been active.

Of course 1994 is the year the PlayStation brand started. Sony themselves recognize this as they started the first PlayStation Experience conference in 2014 to commemorate such a milestone. They even announced the 20th anniversary PS4 special edition the exact day PS1 first released.

https://m.youtube.com/watch...

Nintendo themselves recognize that 1983 was the year Famicom, ie the NES, released as 30 years later they had their own promotion for the anniversary.

https://venturebeat.com/201...

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Microsoft: More Xbox One X Enhanced Backwards Compatibility Games Are Coming Soon

More Xbox One X enhanced games for the Xbox 360 backwards compatibility are coming soon.

Cyborgg2688d ago

At first I thought they meant new exclusives

Obscure_Observer2688d ago

Call it, better support and fan service. ;)

Kingthrash3602687d ago

So resale old games a 3rd time....man. this is just lazy, cheap support.

darthv722687d ago

Is that what you think of SotC then thrash? It's an old game that has been sold 3 times now.

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Wasabi2687d ago

@Kingthrash360

How is it lazy, cheap support when MS is improving games I already bought on my original Xbox and 360 and updating them for My new console, some with 4K Visuals?

I pay nothing more for it ...I'm just able to use my discs or digital on my new console , improved at no extra cost...

Meanwhile Sony are offering backwards compatibility via a streaming service which means to play them on my PS4 I have to purchase them again ?

Or Worse ... Re releasing games over again , every generation .. ie Shadow of the Colossus and Sony fans are singing their praises ?

You've literally bought the same game three times lol !!

Sony removed hardware backwards compatibility from the PS3 , replaced it with software and then removed it completely ..

Now Sony wants to sell you the same games you already bought to play in an inferior manner via PS Now.

Oh yeah "For the Players" ....lol

Obscure_Observer2687d ago (Edited 2687d ago )

@Kingthrash360

We getting better versions of enhanced games on the X than Sony´s remasters on PS4 Pro for FREE! Sony will make us pay for old remastered games every single generation.

Sony is making big money out remasters and that´s why i don´t belive the PS5 to be backwards compatible! Doesn´t matter what you say about old games since is the real gamers that are out there spending their money on them.

According to the latest sales reports, PS4 fans love old games! All i see is games like Crash and SoT on the spootlight making to the Top 20 UK chartz! No signal of new games like Horizon, Uncharted Lost Legacy or Gran Turismo Sport. Facts.

Christopher2687d ago (Edited 2687d ago )

***So resale old games a 3rd time....man. this is just lazy, cheap support.***

Or play old games you already own at better performance and HiRes graphic simulation. At least there's the option to play those games. Or are we going to go with the argument that nobody wants old games likes Shadow of the Colossus?

They're not selling me anything new unless I don't already own the game from my time with my 360. And even then, I can get these games for $5-10, not $40.

Edito2687d ago

@darthv72 can you name a huge hit for Xbox that deserves the shadow of the colossus treatment?

Paid_Vacation2687d ago (Edited 2687d ago )

Who is reselling old games for a 3rd time?

Too funny, let's bang on MS for proving enhancements for older games you might already own.

Meanwhile let's celebrate other companies putting fresh paint over a tired and beaten down Datsun.

PeaSFor2686d ago (Edited 2686d ago )

Call it a blatant crutch because MS obviously has nothing new to offer, they HAVE to rely on BC .

Army_of_Darkness2686d ago

Lots of emphasis and support for backwards compatibility to distract xbox gamers from realizing that they have nothing going forward...

KillBill2686d ago

@Kingthrash360 - BC means you can play the game on Xbox One if you already own it for OG or Xbox 360. Enhancements are free. Maybe knowing just a little bit about what you are talking about before you post might help? You think?

mark_parch2686d ago

all I know is that one of my favourite games of all time kotor looks great on back compat so I'm all for it

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TheCommentator2687d ago

Mind sharing how reading the title led you to that conclusion?

Anyways, it is pretty cool that BC can get upgraded this much though. Seems like devs are able to basically remaster them on 1X if they want:
https://www.windowscentral....

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TheCommentator2686d ago (Edited 2686d ago )

Oh well. I tried. I guess he doesn't want to answer.

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paintedgamer19842687d ago

While this is an amazing feature i wish even sony would adopt, id rather info on new releases in 2018/19. Other game makers choose to remake or remaster older titles instead of the backwards compat route which isnt a big deal to me either as i rent my games through gf or redbox.

mcstorm2687d ago

I get what your saying but I'm there other way. Ide rather know what I'm getting in the next few months rather than what maybe out late on this year maybe next to then find out its been dropped.

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Kingthrash3602687d ago

Free renasters? The upgrades are for Xbox one x....people paid 500 for this

Yohshida2687d ago

yep, they also paid money for the TV, couch they sit on, House they live in etc. do you wanna add all up?

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Kiwi662686d ago (Edited 2686d ago )

No, people paid $500 for the ability to play older games to go with the newer ones just like how people brought the PS4 Pro to play a better looking version of a game compared to the base PS4 , but some people have this illusion that the only games on xbox are the BC games

KillBill2686d ago

Guess what... the Xbox One and Xbox One S versions are improved play over originals too... just the Xbox One X will add even more enhancements for FREE. Too bad PS4 you have to wait for a complete remade game to come and then pay for it again.

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Gaming4Life19812687d ago

Please add and enhance ninja gaiden 2 and dantes inferno please. Also the mass effect trilogy remaster would be insanely great.

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