"There's been a lot of talk over the past few days about the PlayStation 4's RAM, with rumours from The Digital Foundry stating that developers will only have access for up 5.5 GB of the 8 GB DDR5 RAM. Development studios like Young Horses Inc. have said it's nothing to worry about (without confirming the truth of the rumours) while Vblank calls the rumour false."
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ACTUALLY the opposite
because the power available is much more than needed for current conventional games design, in the future developers should be able to express themselves better after coming to terms with the powerful PS4 TECH.
* love how you and others try to make the "4.5" false rumor stick, you cant blame MariaHelFutara for repeatedly reminding you of the facts.
PS4 games use 6G of RAM so far with more to be used in the future,
“I cannot comment on how much memory the consoles use for their Operating Systems etc and how much is available for us developers, though the numbers are out there so…”
“Really, the more memory we have, the better. It’s as simple as that. Right now, as most developers are porting their current systems and engines to next-generation platforms, the engine pipelines cannot even take advantage of the PS4’s 8 gigs of super-fast RAM as we simply cannot push data fast enough into memory right now. "“So really at this point, everybody’s just really taking advantage of the memory to make life easier on making the first next-gen games, and then a few years down the the line you will see really memory, CPU optimized games just as in this generation. Right now on PS3 and Xbox 360 Umbra 3 data for a level can be between a 1-3 megabytes and on current gen every byte of memory counts.
“On next-gen, devs tell us right now it doesn’t matter if we take 30 or 80 megabytes, there’s plenty of RAM to spare. I’m pretty sure in a few years, memory will again be at a premium!
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so he say that it will take time to take Full Advantage of the RAM
i can understand that
Whatever makes you sleep at night, buddy. lol But even if the 'rumor' was true, GDDR5 still outperforms the Xbox One's DDR3. It's two times better at transferring large amounts of data which developers will be mostly using after a few years when coding becomes more complex on the next gen consoles. Why do you think there isn't a difference right now? The coming games currently use small amounts of data. Remember, we're just coming out of a generation with 512MB of RAM, that's a small amount.
Can we all agree that no matter the amount of available memory, the devs will still be able to make some really next gen games.
And as for everyone chirping Xbox one with its ddr3 memory, you obviously don't know much about computers. High end gaming pcs use ddr3 without a problem so the whole gimmick about gddr5 system memory is really not that special. Plus everyone forgets to mention the esram... I wonder why.
Both are great consoles and we have seen through every generation that there is never really a significant advantage of one system over another. There are only differences that make each one distinct and tasteful.
The PS3's RAM was always scary low and the top devs made very efficient software for it (ND).
Being cautious with memory can lead to better games even if it is more work.
GDDR5 really isn't a gimmick. It does have significant bandwidth advantages over DDR3. However, it also has higher latency.
Sony has taken some measures to mitigate any latency, while Microsoft has added eSRAM to bring the bandwidth up.
I tend to agree with anandtech.com when they say that the effective bandwidth between PS4 and XB1 may end up being essentially on par.
"Depending on how the eSRAM is managed, it’s very possible that the Xbox One could have comparable effective memory bandwidth to the PlayStation 4."
http://www.anandtech.com/sh...
What's nearly certain, though, is that the PS4's memory setup should be more efficient and easier to achieve good performance with. This, of course, will also depend on Microsoft and Sony's tools.
Both consoles should have plenty of memory for amazing next gen visuals.
http://gematsu.com/2013/07/...
I'm mucho excitedo
The GTX 680 graphics card has only slightly more memory bandwidth (192gb/s) than the PS4 yet it pushes 3689gflops (2.5x) and 3x the texture fill rate. Memory bandwidth for the 680 is not a limiting factor unless you run triple screen @ 1080p. That being the case, the PS4 only uses a fraction of the memory bandwidth it has... and yes... i understand that this memory is shared between the CPU and GPU, but that actually confirms my assertion that i've always made of how the PS4's advantage regarding memory is small at best.
A much more important factor affecting performance is going to be the operating system. If microsoft does what it does best (make OS's), then chances are the Xbone will perform on par or possibly better than the PS4.
And don't get me wrong... i'm still buying a PS4 later this year. I just like to look at things objectively and factor in as many aspects of these consoles, and NOT do so while wearing glasses with sony colored lenses. Many people on this site are so blinded by fanboyism that perhaps they should get some mental help.
Now watch... because I said something about Sony some people may not like, the usual suspects will come out of the woodwork all pi$$ed off as if I just backhanded their mother.
...sad.
Don;t reply to freaking hypocrites.
They said te same about the Xbox One and got well said and thousands of agrees.
At the end of the day it's the games and how good they look graphically,we can talk specs all day long,if we can't see games that look like movies the jump isnt huge,just wait for the big games,wiiu has in 2014 Zelda,Bayonetta2,Smash,X,Mario kart8,Project CARS,ect this year wiiu has Watchdogs,Splintercell,Batman, COD Ghosts,Mario 3d land,Wonderful 101,Donkeykong,Assasins creed 4 ect,it's the games that matter ?
There are still people that think 3 consoles with dx11 capable gpu's will all have different graphics is beyond me,you heard microsoft say if they used edram they could of hit the terra bites of bandwidth RAM,wiiu uses tons of it on everything cache on cpu cores,on the MCM shared with cpu and gpgpu,trust me it's why Deux ex DC on wiiu is more expensive it's sharper than the pc version....due to edram ?
Wrong people buy gaming consoles to play games, "Services" are a secondary reason for buying a console excluding XBL & PSN+, and if that's the case they're neck and neck (XBL more servers thus stable connections, PSN+ free games with your subscription and PSN connection has been good enough for years now). And on top of that Sony is a Entertainment media corporation and one of the biggest in the industry. They have Sony music, Sony Picture (Movies & TV), so they have the advantage there as well vs. M$ who's just now entering the space and more than likely will need 3rd party support for Entertainment (which is going to cost them more money, on top of paying for 3rd party exclusives, on top of paying for Blu Ray in XB1, you get what I'm saying). M$ has borderline infinite money, but how are they going to make a profit with all these fees, worst of all if some of these risk don't pan out for them (taking risk are what leads to success, but if not planned out well then it's basically a losing battle, and M$ doesn't have ANYTHING finalized yet).
So if that's the case gaming wise the PlayStation Brand is still ahead of the Xbox. PS3 proved Sony is more focused on all things gaming with a diverse and arguably better line-up of exclusives, seasonal PSN game sales with 25% - 75% off games (Spring, Summer, Fall, Holiday, and smaller scale sales in-between), and Sony will back their console from birth until death proven with the PS1, PS2, and now PS3. M$ on the other hand dropped Xbox original dead, Xbox 360 first party exclusives dwindled to the same 3 franchises (plus Gears) over the pass 3 years & timed exclusive DLC.
Going into the next generation M$ is working harder at getting exclusives, but that's the same thing they did with the Xbox 360 before dropping off.
I enjoy the Xbox brand (don't like M$ business practices), but if you want a diverse a long lasting gaming experience then it's only on PS. If you like "Pop Games" (COD + clones, EA Sports, and other annual releases), great 3rd party support, and the occasional exclusive then the Xbox should be good enough for you. There's nothing wrong with that, but the problem I see is $399 (PS4) vs. $499 (XB1). That's M$ greatest challenge to overcome because last gen it was $299 - $399 (360 + 1 year head-start) vs. $499 - $599 (PS3 priced higher the entire generation).
M$ has their work cut out for them, and not having to press input on the remote isn't going to help them.
I do agree completely on the other comment about how these systems are primarily for games. Even though my PS3 has a great blu-ray player, i bought it to play games and the fact that it did have a blu-ray that was awesome. Plus the whole system cost as much as the cheap blu-ray players available at the time... a secondary but very nice bonus.
Companies can be so shady... 8GB Ram in big bold letters but in real life you can only use blah, blah, blah. Look at all the cool stuff you can do with control/camera. Heck control even has a light built into it. Buuuut, need camera which wass never stated at time of presentation. Doesn't sound like the camera was supposed to be optional.
However presentation just showed features and not once mentioned that you had to by accessories for it to work the way they showed it. Smoke and mirrors... If you have nothing to hide then come out and debunk rumors. Otherwise they are true.
Consumer goes to store, says I saw them do this. Store employee says oh but you need this for that to work... mixed message imo.
People assumed it was fake because it worked so well. Dont get it twisted, im not agreeing with your comment because it was stated that was real time.
Take it from me bro, I used the kinect daily and knows how it works. Double/triple horsepower and there is no reason it wont be that smooth.
Check this out.real time
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
The PS4 has 8GB of fast GDDR5, that hasn't changed.
A console ALWAYS needs to use some RAM to run the OS and services.
PS4 devs have confirmed games are in development using 6GB's of RAM, but most games, particularly 3rd party will use little more than 4GB's.
The 2GB partitioned off for OS and services is not neccessarily all being used, some is being held back for future services, while more RAM will be freed up for games as the OS is streamlined. This was the case with the PS3 and a major reason the last gen of PS3 games have been so graphically impressive.
As for the PS4 camera, Sony made a wise choice to ditch this unwanted device, I'm quite sure if Microsoft could go back in time they wouldn't have bothered with Kinect, it's becomes an albatros around their consoles neck.
A cheap Wii like controller would have done the job for mediocre motion control games
"PS4 devs have confirmed games are in development using 6GB's of RAM, "
Could you please post a link confirming this statement.
check this out...real time
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
The great majority of PC games are console ports, designed for 512MB RAM, and CPU/GPU technology from 7-8 years ago.
This allows high-end PC's to ramp up the resolution and have better framerates, but the nuts and bolts of the game design, the polygons used to create worlds, advanced graphical effects etc. aren't incorporated into the game engine.
High end PC's will only start to be stretched when next gen games, designed from the ground up, come to PC. The overheads a PC has, and the inability to code to the metal, means a PC's spec will have to be far superior to a next-gen console to run equivalent games.
It's not different to this gen where the 7-8 year old PS3 hardware can run games like GT6, The Last of US, GoW and Uncharted 3, a PC of this vintage wouldn't even be able to run the game, nevermind at an acceptable rate.
The likes of Killzone: Shadowfall give a hint of what is in store, but these are still first gen game, future titles will be far more ambitious, and likely take very hefty PC's to run.
Skyrim can easily take over 4+gb of RAM and 1,5 GB of VRAM, so you're looking at 5,5gb, at least on paper. If you got mods especially.
Skyrim alone only uses 2 gigs max of Vram. I had to install a mod that allowed for the game to recognize 4 gig so I could install that super high res mod pack. And the only reason more ram is being used is because things are usually always running in the background like your OS for starters. The actual game doesn't need that much.
Max they have NOW is 512 Mb.
both systems will have shortcomings
all the fanboys are having fun with my system has faster ram or more ram but bottom line is this:
we went from 512MB to let's say ps4 has 5 GB for games
we went from 1GB to 5 GB for xbox one too
so now developers don't have to be so limited when it comes to not having enough ram space, going from 512-1GB to now 5-6 GB ram is a huge step forward
also wasn't it rumored that both xbox one and ps4 were originally planned for 4GB ram total? if that was the case and with 2-3 for OS we would have been left with 1.5GB ram, but now we have actually 5 plus so stop complaining
Carry on..
So it was "lazy developers" fault the PS3 architecture was way over complicated and it wasn't financially viable to spend all that extra time with the PS3 version. I know this is N4G and Sony does no wrong....ever, but to me it was a bad move by Sony to tell every developer our there they are going to have to learn a whole new way to code games just because we say so. Those stupid lazy ass developers.
Three words : cost, competition, customers. Sony (Ken) seemed to forget that.
I agree with that, blame could be placed on both parties depending on how you look at it, but I just hate when the people on here put all the blame on the developer like Sony can do no wrong. The PS3 was a great piece of tech no doubt, and it had some great looking and playing games, but Sony was nowhere near as dominate this gen as people make it out to be on this site.
Remember that the ps4 is like a super charged pc . We will get amazing games in the end ps4 life cycle like the last of us to the ps3..
To think what could be made with only 1GB of GDDR5 ram is amazing...
@ justastranger10
You are very wrong, Sony has the best talent in the industry working for them, just look at st the PS3 exclusives.
The PS3 and 360 both have 512MB if ram. The difference was that xbox was unified and PS3 was split in 2 and Sony had half and developers had half. hence the reason PS3 had ram issues and no cross game chat.
And yet the PS3 still had the best, most impressive games in the industry. Not to mention PS3 has officially outsold 360 this gen.
PS4 is going to outdo X1 just like every gen before has.
I know when you up resolution more VRAM is needed.
@justastranger10
So what Xbox one games are using all the 5GB of ram for games?
Like the article said it won't be a problem for either console until about 3-4+ years.
Suspicious. O_o
I hope Sony really proves how well the new psn will stack
Up to xbl
Come back when you've tried the new psn store
An as for the disagrees in my first post wtf is there to disagree with I was asking a question. Some people on here really need to learn how to use the agree/disagree system instead of just out right abusing it like ignorant button mashers.
@dcj0524 the os is not Xbox live an I will admit it loads a bit slow while in game sometimes. Again though not a feature of Xbox live and the few times I do it while in game not really crying over it. I must be one of the few people who actually plays games when I turn on my system.
http://www.giantbomb.com/fo...
Now developers need time to fully understand how it works. Got it.
Stop making stupid comments. Its obvious that you don't got it.
I see that you make new accounts to troll articles.
Hasn't the big deal from devs and everyone here is that the PS4 is basically a high end PC now? That it is easy to develop for?
Please explain the new tech that is being introduced first in the PS4 since I don't get it.
Know any PC's running an 8 core Jaguar CPU, a AMD GPU with Sony specific customization, and an 8GB unified pool of GDDR5???...
No? That's because it doesn't exist...there is your new tech...
Yes, the PS4 uses x86 architecture so it is much more like a PC to develop for...but there is A LOT of customization to the hardware that developers will need yo learn the ins and outs of in order to push the limits...
This also goes for the Xbone...
Only thing thats a sure thing is an MRE during a zombie invasion.
How about 2gb?
Lets double it to 4gb...what do i get?
Lets ask the simple but unanswered questions from the horses mouth.
Sony did talk about flexible memory which was interesting. The way I see flexible memory from how they described it...its memory that will can be accessed by the game if its available and improve performance but its not something the developer can program for and count on being there. I could be totally wrong mind you but that was how I read their synopsis.
I nearly missed the words
"devs-cant-take-full-adv antage-of-it-right-now"
There! "Right now"
So what's the issue then.
/Moving along to read real news.
It means that in the later half of the PS4's life developers will have more memory to play with, Xbone will always have only 5GB or so.
Like a quick rundown in a couple of power point sessions... The ins and outs of everything and the most effective ways to use your time while making a gam. As well as ways to optimize the best out of the system and its specifications..
I just remember my classes when I was in the military... It was real drawn out and boring... But, they happened so much they are forever instilled in my brain.. Like how to check for different bodily injuries, how to put on a tourniquet. Stuff like that..
Sony should invite a person or a few people from all their development teams for like a 1 week session on how the PS4 works... inside and out...
Sony has let this 1GB OS thing float for a long time, they need to put out answers without trying to redefine what an OS is.
Games!!!
MS has should a pattern of neglect after 6+ years in their console life cycle. Having quality games 6 plus years into a console's lifetime is important to me. I have a PC currently connected to my HDTV and I use that for my TV needs and work of course. PC's are best made for productivity and consoles for games.
Who said that the xbox one is profitable day one?No one. (I think it is though.)
Who says the Ps4 is being sold at a loss?? No one. In fact didn't sony come out and say they will not be taking a loss with the Ps4? I believe that this is not going to be Sony's last console.
And the playstation brand is the most profitable department of Sony.
Try doing research before talking of things you know nothing about.
Where do you get ANY of your information from? Not just in this supposition-laden post, but in ALL your comments. Not a lick of truth or even intelligent guessing. I just don't get it.
This is supposed to be a Sony fanboy site, right? So how is it there are so many accounts like his that are just so wrong, and yet they can spread as much FUD as they want?