Sony Employees Respond to 'PS4 No DRM' Campaign

High ranking Sony staff reveal that the company is listening to used games and DRM concerns for PS4.

[NatureOfLogic]

Keep it up. They're listening.

#Ps4UsedGames #Ps4NoDRM

[jujubee88]

But that would be creepy. So instead, just keep on using those damn hash tags and keep the Playstation conversation going. ;)

[abzdine]

Sony ftw. This is great for gamers out there.

[piroh]

whatever happens i will continue supporting Sony due to several reasons, although it could be a nice day if we got rid of this DRM rumors once and for all

[Narutone66]

Sony won't tell us now regarding the DRM and Used Games issue. They will announce it on E3 saying out loud that there will be no restrictive DRM (you don't have to be online to play) and you can play used games without paying a fee and it won't be blocked.
*fingers crossed*

[BlmThug]

I had my friend tweet both hashtags because I don't have nor care for twitter but she does so :D I now 'owe her one' -_-

[JoySticksFTW]

MS themselves said that they are watching reactions to the reveal carefully.

And what do some of these people want to do? Have you shut up, calm down, and wait.

Heck no! Gamers need to get LOUDER and them know our concerns. Cause a stink that puts a damper on them promoting this new direction as a good thing.

Just this morning I saw a newspaper front page touting Xbone as the all in one entertainment box we've been waiting for.

What??

Screw all that.

Get on their forums or contact these people directly and let them know how you feel. Just be mature about it (no threats or the like).

[Awesome_Gamer]

Keep it up, real gamers.

#PS4UsedGames , # PS4NoDRM

[chazjamie]

i can assure you they going to be doing the exact same thing that microsoft did with the xbox. This how is the industry decides to move forward, sony will have no choice but to tag along. the fact that microsoft can do stupid crap like emphasize tv over games shows their true dominance. Just because the internet is laughing, doesnt mean the real buyers are.

They might be listening but that does not mean anything at all.

[SolidStoner]

I sure hope PS4 does not have those bad things....
This far sony didnt say nothing about it....

[THE-COMMANDER]

LOL

[Horny]

Great news, keep making noise people. If ms starts listening and takes all the restrictions off they get a sale from me. This way I simply can't support them, don't want it to become an industry Standard. My friends and I like to exchange games or I'll bring fifa over and we play before a night of drinking, this won't be possibly on the XB1.
Sony has my full support.

[BlindGuardian]

HI EVERYONE, I DON'T USE TWITTER, can someone post a quick step by step on how to get that campaign?

PROBABLY A LOT MORE PEOPLE HERE WIL FIND IT USEFUL

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

@chazjamie

"Just because the internet is laughing, doesnt mean the real buyers are."

Oh the irony... You just pointed how the "internet people" have no say on the sales of machine that REQUIRES AN INTERNET CONNECTION to even work? Seriously? Those are your potential buyers right there...

[Boody-Bandit]

I am going to tweet, tweet ane retweet it several times a day and all day June 10th

[MariaHelFutura]

Playstation gamers and gamers in general who don't support this nonsense. Good job!

http://i.minus.com/i87zYV0v...

[MariaHelFutura]

No gif of Kaz is stupid. That's just silly. Don't be so sour that things aren't going the way you imagined it and wanted them to.

http://i.imgur.com/amn36.gi...

[KillrateOmega]

@loulou

Do not insult the great Kaz-sensei.

#Ps4UsedGames
#Ps4NoDRM

[NarooN]

LOL @ butthurt Xbone fanboys. Use some sense and stop white-knighting Microsoft's garbage console.

#PS4UsedGames #PS4noDRM

[Anon1974]

To me, the whole argument about "banning" used game sales is ridiculous. Neither company could actually pull this off under existing laws in the US and EU. The EU goes one step further and has ruled that even licenses for digital content must be transferable to others. Blocking used game sales was never on the table.

Restricting used game sales is another matter entirely and that certainly seems the route Microsoft is going with their announcement to control their own license transfers via their online service. This would effectively allow them to take control of the used game market and profit off it but could be seen as anti-competitive behaviour if there isn't a means to cut in company's like Gamestop, but I could still see Microsoft trying this. If it was challenged they could tie it up in court probably the entire generation, like we've seen with court cases against the 360.

At this point, other than saying Sony would leave DRM up to individual developers and publishers, they've said nothing to indicate that they're looking to limit used game sales. I don't know why it's even being talked about.

Sony has owned various patents on various systems that would prohibit used game sales since before the PS2 was even released and obviously hasn't put any of them into play for decades. As for DRM, after what happened with the rootkit scandal of almost a decade ago, we haven't seen a repeat of that from Sony and I don't think Sony has an appetite for a repeat of that. Besides, they have to know if they play their cards right here they'll walk away the clear victors next gen with all the negative backlash rightly directed at Microsoft.

Still, it's not a bad idea for the fan base to remind Sony where they stand.

[MariaHelFutura]

You should have so many more bubbles. Let me help. +1 Well said. I absolutely love all your comments.

[Bigpappy]

I agree with every thing you said except the assertion that Sony's hands are clean in this. They were working on trying to block used game sales just like M$. They are just being more cautious and was trying to present it in a way that would minimize fallout. But we all know Sony was working on ways to do this for years. Having more studios hakes this an even more attractive objective for them.

The push behind this thought is really coming from EA, Activision, Ubi and publishing houses like that. They lobby hard for console manufactures to find ways to restrict used games. They think that if we are allowed to trade these games, it means less sales for them. It is similar to people copying PC games, but less so. The is why even though there are more PC's than consoles, some of them have pretty much abandon the PC.

The big publishers have this kind of clout because they have control over so much of the content. If they decide not to publish on one of these consoles, it will hurt that console sales in a huge way. So this is why M$ came out so boldly (to win favor with EA and Activision in particular), and why Sony is so ambiguous in their statements while obviously doing things in the background.

[Darrius Cole]

@Bigpappy

Sony hasn't been ambiguous at all. It's just the Microsoft's approach to the way the Xbox One is going to treat used games is so game-changing (in a bad way) that it has changed the context of the questions that Sony was asked back in February. People are not going back and reading the interviews that were given then and trying to read them in the context of the questions about the Xbox One. But when the questions to Sony were asked and answered this new Xbox One paradigm was unknown and therefore unasked about.

Yoshida said that when someone buys a disk based game that it would work on any hardware. Yoshida has said that online registration would be up to the publishers, but that Sony's publishing house was not discussing any such plan. Moroever Michael Denny has said that the PS4 could be used without ever connecting it to the internet.

Microsoft's plan only works if there is online registration. No internet, no online registration. No system for online registration, then no online registration even if you have the internet.

So, no, all the evidence says that Sony is NOT planning to charge used games fees like the new Xbox One is going to do.

[Eyeco]

I don't think people really understand the importance of used games, and how serious of an issue this is. There are many gamers that simply cannot afford to drop 60$ for a game, it hasn't really been a problem for me seeing as I've been employed for about 5 years now and I assume it's not really a problem for many people on this site assuming we can afford to spend that money, but we are a minority.

There are ten's of millions of gamers that rely on used games because they simply cannot afford to drop that 60$ for just one game every 1-2 months, especially kids. When I was kid allot of my games were used, spending £40 for 3-4 games was a viable option rather than spending it on one, reason's being I simply didn't have the money I was raised by a single parent, I didn't have any money I didn't have a job.

Allot of my friends that own 360's the vast majority of their game collection is used, with exception of the day 1 Halo/ Gears and COD, and they feel burned by this decision. This is putting a choke hold on low income/ unemployed gamers, as well as younger gamers, and I hope Sony abandon's this idea.

[MikeMyers]

It would have been a perfect opportunity for Sony to come out looking like saints but instead they don't say much at all. I wonder why?

[andibandit]

If sony isnt deploying drm, why dont they go public and bury M$ before E3 has even started.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

@MikekMyers
@andibandit

Is it really about burying MS or looking like saints? If you think that truly is the case, if there's still a chance that MS could scrap their anti-used game policy out the window, wouldn't it be better to wait until MS explicitly state that they have a used game fee or some sort of restrict and then come out and say "We Are Not Blocking Used Games"? Just a thought.

All I know is that now that several staff at Sony have acknowledged the "No DRM" campaign, Sony coming out saying that they are blocking used games after this acknowledgment would be huge slap in the face to gamers.

[Anon1974]

You hit it right on the nose. Sony's come out again and again saying they're not building in restrictions that would prevent used games. There's no confusion. We've had a lineup of Sony execs who have all confirmed the same thing.

As for general DRM, again...there's no confusion there. That's up to the developers and publishers. If they want to institute some sort of online pass, just like before...that's on them.

I don't understand why people are questioning that like Sony's left some sort of grey area. Sony's already said that, if you want, the PS4 never has to be connected to the internet. They couldn't have been more clear.

Of course, look who's asking the question. If you haven't been around the site long, even a cursory glance a few weeks ago at guy's like MikeMyers, JokesOnYou, EvilDead360's comment history will reveal why they're trying to muddy the waters. Go easy on them. It's probably been a pretty rough week.

[MikeMyers]

"I don't understand why people are questioning that like Sony's left some sort of grey area. Sony's already said that, if you want, the PS4 never has to be connected to the internet. They couldn't have been more clear."

Really? So these people who actually work in the industry that ask these sorts of questions like Adam Sessler and Geoff Keighly are just teasing us, that they really do know? Is that why on the latest Bonus they brought it up, just for the hell of it? Is that why Sessler said it multiple times on his Google chat last week just to generate attention?

Yeah, ok. I hope you're right but it hasn't been finalized. Sony are also working on the details as we speak.

[rainslacker]

That's the thing though. They are not outright removing the 2nd hand sale of games. According to reports they are going to facilitate that sale, which is a secondary problem to this whole thing, because it basically keeps the control with them. Not really sure how the laws in the UK work, but software is sold by license in the US, so it's not illegal to block 2nd hand sale, as the license is always the property of the copyright holder. The copyright holder just grants you the rights to use the content attached to that license. I don't agree with it, but that's how it is. The courts in the US haven't made any real judgements which would have settled this, so now we have to deal with it.

[MikeMyers]

Both Sony and Microsoft have said on record they will support used games. The trouble is we don't know how restrictive those used games will be.

I personally believe a bunch of high profile publishers gathered together to come up with some sort of plan. They have now seen that the online pass hasn't worked as well as had hoped or it was just the beginning of something more.

Piracy played a larger role on the Xbox 360 than the PS3. We have also seen games be released before their due date, both the retail end and on torrent sites. We have also heard the cries from publishers about used games and how they don't receive income from it. So what has to give? How do you correct all those issues while still giving concern to the consumer? Sony adopted online passes, why? Why would Microsoft control used games even though they didn't have online passes but Sony won't? There is definitely something going on behind the scenes which is why we aren't getting all the answers yet. EA is a huge publisher who already forced Microsoft's hand when Xbox Live came out. They wanted control of their own games and ran their own servers. Notice how EA games have their own sign-in process? That way they can take down old servers without MS's involvement.

Sony could be taking every opportunity now to say our own titles will not be restrictive in any way. That would take all the heat off of them and the emphasis would turn to Microsoft and the publishers who adopt controlling used games. Sony isn't doing that. All they are saying is they are listening. Also remember, Gamestop could be involved in this process too.

It is very political because these companies still rely on retailers. So they also don't want to undercut their prices. They also have to take a percentage of revenue from each software sold. Steam has no middleman, it's just them and the publisher isn't it? Consumers also pay a royalty too don't they on console games?

It's a bad business model to begin with the way consoles are now.

[nosferatuzodd]

Darkride66
Zodd the immortal love you man no not in that way but still
You hit the nail on the head.
Well said. Bubble

[CalvinKlein]

Geez, videogames are probably the only industry where 3 other cooperations will get a part of the money if I sell the object I already paid for when they dont do anything to deserve that money. People hate on gamestop but at least they deserve the money as they are actually in the business and put up tons of money to buy games and give credit with no guarantee that those games wont just sit on shelvs and loose value. WHy do people think its such a rip off? Because their prices are what they need to charge to be successful in the used games business on such a level. If its so easy why does every place besides GS fail at it?

NOw console makers, publishers, and developers think they are better than every other industry in the GD world and that they deserve money for used sales without being in the business of buying and selling the used things themselves.

I bought a used honda, honda got no money from me. Buy a used CD and thy record company doesnt get more money. Sell my couch, lay z boy doesnt disable the recliner function until the new owner pays them a recliner action fee.

Pretty clear that MS forgot how hard selling a console can be. Im hoping that sony knows and seizes their chance to dominate again by not having used restrictions.

Publishers can suck it too. Id love for sony not to have a restriction because then PS4 will DOMINATE like PS2 and the sorry publishers will have to flock to the restriction free PS4 if they want their games to sell in the first place. They seem to be ignorant to the fact that gamestop credit or cash from online sales can often go toward alot of new games. And now they are gonna be ignorant and try to front like they wont support the DRM less console. Sorry once DRMBOX flops in sales you wont have a choice.

Publishers dont need to worry about used sales on a flop of a console that cant sell hardware or new software to begin with. Thats what xbox-1 will be is sony has no restrictions on used games(10$ online pass is normal tho).

Honestly xbox-1 will probably fail anyways even if sony does a similar thing with used games because it has alot of worse stuff to like once a day check in, mandatory kinnect, and most importantly for me, weaker hardware.

[Conzul]

Yup. Funny how the masses think they're powerless...until they actually get up and try something.

This here's an example of dat good 'ol affirmative action.

[Robtherobot2013]

I know no one cares but can you please also support #XboxOneusedgames #XboxOneNoDRM

[kneon]

Everyone should care, because if Microsoft do it and are successful in spite of that then there is no reason for other companies not to follow along.

[Martywren]

I agree with u, instead of some people bashing Xboxone they should boycott MS support Xboxone DRM and charge fee for second hand used games

[MakiSaad2]

I left the top comment on the xbox reveal video on youtube stating "no used games fees and DRM thumps up so microsoft can see " and i got around 2k thumps up but guess what they turned off the comment on the video, so yeah microsoft turned a blind eye on their loyal fans

[PiTCHBLaCK]

I'll support #XboxOneusedgames #XboxOneNoDRM.

[irepbtown]

If we can get Sony to announce that used games will be playable on PS4 and no DRM, then Microsoft may follow.

However in the meantime, I too will support #XboxOneUsedGames #XboxOneNoDRM

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

I did my part!!!

This is great!! Now I know how pc gamers feel!

[Omar91]

@Naurotone66

Can you imagine the amount of applause if and when sony does announce this at E3? I'm sure there will be people standing up and cheering. lol

[irepbtown]

I will be standing up and cheering... in my house.

[Omar91]

Do you find yourself clapping every time the audience claps and when you see something you like at the conferences? lol I do that all the time.

[Gardenia]

Why are they all use the word "passion"? Pre-arranged maybe?

[Veneno]

I would rather hear "gamer passion" than " tv tv tv tv tv sportz sportz sportz sportz sportz call of duty call of duty call of duty call of duty call of duty call of duty" repeated.

[Rainstorm81]

Time to get it going through Instagram as well....#PS4noDRM

[ssj27]

what about online pass? PS4 should not have online pass
and release day dlc should be free to all.. if it was ready for day one it should be free..

you guys allow it and it's not right..

if a game is sold, it did its job.. who play it, does not meter.. it was sold at the original retail price and that is what meters.
if you can't understand how creed and evil this it, then you guys do not deserve anything.. and can't complain of #usedgames or any other similar b/s ..

and how about we start having right on returning whatever we buy even if is a dlc or a digital game, or a brand new sealed game?
such a right is in everything, even food could be returned ...
(i will not even mind paying a fee for opening the seal, which should be a $5 or $10 fee.. for taking it value off not been brand new any more, which is a stupid silly value that only nerds care)

and how about instead of wasting time in this bs.. you guys take few seconds and sing in this petition, about the control o our food system that the monsanto has on us, poison in us.. through our food and using vaccines to reduce and kill the population ..

here is the link
please sing, there is already 2millions sings for it and so far is the biggest petition made... be part of it! for a better future..

http://www.avaaz.org/en/mon...

[Narutone66]

That's not up to Sony, EA did that and that's out of Sony's hand. The only thing is to not buy from developers and publishers who make use of draconian DRM. Copy protection for a game disc is also a form of DRM, but that's acceptable.

[irepbtown]

This is a gaming site...

[3-4-5]

Used games are important to me as a gamer. I don't always have the money or time to play every new game out there.

More importantly, I'm not always "into" a certain type of game and maybe 2 years from now I realize I now love a certain genre which I never played before.

Because of used games, I can go pick up 2-4 of those games for a cheaper price and also I know they will be available to me years into the future.

That is why I actually like Gamestop, I wouldn't be able to find all these obscure DS/PSP games anywhere else 6-7 years after release.

Because some of these were only $5-15 I took a chance I might not have otherwise taken and was turned onto some cool games that I'm now a fan of.

Now that I'm a fan, that dev will now have my support in the future because I'm familiar and a fan of their games.

If we don't have used games this gen, then expect to pay $50-60 for games 5-6 years after they are released.

[cedaridge]

PS4 just keep getting better. PSN: cedaridge

[titletownrelo]

this has been a chaotic week for Microsoft, they probably want to disconnect from the media for a day or two...oh wait.

[titletownrelo]

not completely confirmed but still funny as hell.

[farhad2k8]

I'm all FOR this, it's great seeing the community work so close together.
However, the whole online DRM thing.. Sony have already said that you can use the console offline, so as long as you don't have it connected to the internet, doesn't that mean you can play used games? Just a thought, but I think it's not Sony's choice to allow used games, it's the developers. Sadly, if the developers DO use some sort of authentication fee for used games, Sony will probably still get the blame, I just hope that doesn't happen and people can see through it.

#PS4UsedGames #PS4NoDRM

[ijust2good]

Sony already have said that it would be up to the publishers and devs to have DRM and second hand block. Sony will not force it.

I'm more concerned at charging to play online at this point.

[rainslacker]

Even though Sony said nothing about the issue, the fact that they acknowledged it and said they're listening still puts them ahead of MS.

So this may be a dumb question, but why hasn't anyone started one of these for MS as well?

[Ingram]

Because strangely enough, most xbox fans chose to feel grateful and hopeful instead of feeling the urge to fight for their rights.

No, really, they're justifying MS. We should stand our ground united and tell both companies about our stances on DRM and not wanting to use a leash, yet...

[TwistedMetal]

we must all unite under sony to stop the xbox one its our only hope for freeedddddommmmmmmm!!!!!

[showtimefolks]

atleast someone is actually listening to their core fan base

[Ozmoses]

I love his sense of humor!

https://twitter.com/KazHira...

[redcar121]

sony will have drm deal with it

[redcar121]

sony will have drm deal with it fan boys

[negative]

God damn there are a lot of losers on this site.

[RM-TatoTiburon]

at least they love you

[Shadonic]

Sony is awesome if they listen.

[duli14]

Ok I'm off to open a twitter account....

[SniperControl]

Just opened a twitter account for this only.

[Ilovetheps5]

I would open up a Twitter account for this, but I wouldn't know how to use it if I did make one.

[duli14]

just did it https://twitter.com/Dulaj14

[A2X_]

I did, too.

Let your voices be heard!

[ZodTheRipper]

Same here, funny isn't it :D

[DragonKnight]

@Ilovetheps4: Twitter is very simple to use. After making your account, and if you want to only tweet about this topic, at the top right there is a blue button to press to compose a new tweet. Click on that. Then type "@yosp" (that's Shuhei Yoshida's twitter account) without the quotations then type your own, respectful, message asking Sony not to support the blockage of used games or imposing DRM the way Microsoft has, then use the hashtages #PS4NoDRM and #PS4USEDGAMES at the end of the message then click on Tweet.

There is a character limit of 140 characters, so try to make the message brief, respectful, and to the point. You can do eeet.

[FragMnTagM]

Thanks for the information DragonKnight.

I never really knew how to use Twitter and hardly ever logged on because of it. You bet your ass I did it for this and also for the XBOX One. Even though I am probably not going to get the One, it needs help also.

If MS is successful with this BS, it is only a matter of time until more are forced to do what MS is doing.

[Funky Town_TX]

My biggest issue with the DRM is the online connection requirements. If they block used games I hope we get better deals on new games.

[Funky Town_TX]

Okay now Sony needs to let the cat out on this issue.

[MariaHelFutura]

I imagine that will happen shortly.

[duli14]

probably not until E3

[MariaHelFutura]

I hear you, but saying what's what (pending it's positive, which it looks to be) will give them more momentum going into E3 then they already have. We'll see.

[sigfredod]

I like the part where they say that are listening to us, crossfingers guys

[MariaHelFutura]

And there you have it.. and they didn't even shutdown the comment section.

http://i.minus.com/i87zYV0v...

[r21]

With this much attention, Im hoping the big game publishers are listening as well. Power to the gamers!

[Prcko]

Good,as expected

[bub16]

This makes me happy. I've always chose Sony over Microsoft since the original xboxone and will continue to if they listen to their fans and make this happen!

[vigilante_man]

What - there's more than One XboxOne?

[Conzul]

Now now...the original xBox was nothing to make fun of. I had a blast playing Halo:CE and Halo 2 with my cousins. 360 and One are the lesser children of a failing legacy.

[MrDead]

Do you mean the Xbox One or the Xbox One? The Xbox One is the first to be named Xbox One which means it is the original Xbox One the Xbox One wasn't, so the only Xbox One is the Xbox One..... ahhh! , you mean the Xbox One as the Xbox One isn't on sale yet so by my mighty powers of deduction I’ve realise you mean Xbox One not the Xbox One .

Xbox One, not to be confused with the Xbox One.

[MariaHelFutura]

You win. +1

[AyKKon]

The first Xbox was simply called... Xbox. just like the very first PlayStation was only named PlayStation.

[jc48573]

whole different attitude compared to Microsoft's.

[Alos88]

Kinect: Hey, I'm listening too! Even when you don't want me to.
ESPECIALLY when you don't want me to.

[supremacy]

lol and that's an issue.

[Ipunchbabiesforfun]

This is such a touchy subject on so many parts. First, you have the gamers who for 20+ years have lent out games to friends and traded them in when they were done. Then you have the publishers and producers who want to see everyone pay for the property. Finally, you have the console makers who are pushing for a downloadable world similiar to PC and steam.

Microsoft wants to restrict gamers from installing games on multiple machines for free which not a single one of you can argue, that wouldn't be right. But, on the flipside they now want to charge us fees just to lend OUR games out, that's NOT right.

This will be a hot issue until internet is fast enough. The console world is going to the PC architecture and until it fully gets there this won't ever go away. It's kinda funny though we complain about trade-ins and all this DRM. Yet, the vast majority can buy a DL PC title on steam and never give it another thought. At the end of the day, it's never ok for a corporation to put their hands in your pockets. You make enough, don't come asking for more.

[N4Flamers]

I think the main concern is being charged when you have a physical copy of the game. I would also like to point out that sony let you lend downloaded games on the ps3 too. My friend let me download some games off psn so I got to play them for free. I dont think that damaged their company any. I can see why they didnt advertise that feature more, but the option was there.

Microsoft is trying to muscle their way into the used game market, their current negotiations cuts gamestops profit down 90% on used games, then they'd also like to make money off lent games. It's just such and obvious tactic.

[Ilovetheps5]

The reason they didn't advertise it was because it wasn't meant to share with people. When the PS3 first came out, you could download games on up to 5 PS3s, but they lowered it to 2 PS3s when people started abusing the system. It was meant to allow you to download it on multiple PS3s if you personally owned multiple systems.

[N4Flamers]

@ilovetheps4

When they first released the ps3 it was one of its many perks. It was about sharing games with yourself and friends. Heres an old link I found

http://www.scdev.org/forum/...

They even had instructions on the psn forums. After the hacking fiascos im not surprised they changed their tune. I doubt sony originally thought "what if I own 5 ps3's" theyre not as naive as you would have me believe.

[tigertron]

Fingers crossed guys, this looks promising!

<3 Sony.

[Zoomer76]

They are listening but not denying drm rumours

[tetsuhana]

If they were going to implement DRM they probably wouldn't have even responded to the campaign.

[Zoomer76]

If they weren't going to implement drm they would of just said.

[LeRise]

Agree. I guess they also want to create intrigue and make a HUGE reveal then. Crossed my fingers till 10th June too.

[torchic]

Zoomer is right though.

[Gildarts]

actually tetsuhana its the other way around xD.

you lack common sense.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

Sony is holding their cards close to there chest, MS Just blabbed everything everywhere at anytime and we see how that turned out.

[rainslacker]

They also probably wouldn't have seemed pleased that their fans were speaking out on the issue.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

"bu but it's POINTLESS!"- Said the pushover Microsoft occultist. Maybe these Sony execs should have shutdown the comments section LMAO!

[first1NFANTRY]

good job people lets keep expressing our concerns to Sony. They will eventually come through :)

[CaEsAr-]

Just searched for the #PS4NoDRM and there are already 35 tweets within 2-3 mins, crazy stuff! Keep it up guys

[GiantFriendlyCrab]

i do not understand twitter, its confusing

[NumOnePS3FanBoy]

Lol I've had one for a little while like maybe two months. I rarely use it and it does look like a giant shitty confusing mess. But you slowly start to grasp things.

[SprigganN4G]

Keep it on going!

[Bathyj]

I feel all warm and fuzzy

[DEATHSTROKE-cro-]

nice, they are listening !

btw. official reservation ad for PS4 appeared on facebook in Croatia, my country :)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.a...

it say that price of PS4 is 3999KN. which is 682$.
I know you think it's too much but we always get bigger price. PS3 price was like 5500-6000KN.
and the ad says there's 300KN discount.
so, 3699KN is pretty low compared to day 1 PS3 price ;-)

[Hoika]

We did it! Kaz Hirai said there will be NO Dr Mario on PS4! Yesss!!! https://twitter.com/KazHira...

Wait... this was the reason we where posting #PS4NoDRM right? Because I was really jumping on the No Dr. Mario Bandwagon...

(BTW imagine the free publicity of this... MS's posisition just keeps getting worse with all this going on...)

[CaEsAr-]

This is a parody account bud XD
I hope we manage to get our message heard :)

[rainslacker]

LOL. Parody account, but the 2nd message was funny.

"The ending of Curiosity was the second most disappointing video game box reveal this week".

[MikeyDucati1]

Ah, you were right. Quite impressed with their responses.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Thers nothing that those employee can do. Either they get in line and get with the program or be fired if they go on the internet and voice their displeasure against Sony. Like i say there is nothing Sony can do its the third party publishers that wants this to happen.

[Imalwaysright]

Just like Nintendo couldn't do anything?

[mmj]

I would wait until details emerge before getting all excited, telling the public they're listening and praising passionate fans is pretty simple PR.

Sony are pulling all the right strings though, I just hope they walk the walk.

[A2X_]

It's crazy how gamers came out on this.

Approximatively 10 tweets/minute #PS4noDRM #PS4UsedGames

https://twitter.com/search/...

[S2Killinit]

wow and Microsoft went and shut down comments on youtube. Interesting.

[SonyPS4]

I am happy. Buying a PS4 and Wii U on the same day.

[CaptainFaisal]

I tweeted however if sony do have DRM and pay fees for used games their goes the industry! But i dought sony would do such thing! Unlike those Bit**s MicroSh!t. Entertainment My As* i have a laptop and tablet for that, and my phone had mp3 and mp4 player... Idiots -.-

[dethpuck]

I love how Sony is the new superman. Anyone remember the hack job they have done with the vita? Half ass ports and missteps. Don't get your hopes up. Don't forget to tweet when your favorite publisher goes out of business because you didn't give them any money for buying their game used

[SexyGamerDude]

People have been trading games since the invention of home consoles. There has never in the history of video games been a developer or publisher that has gone out of business because of used game sales.

[wishingW3L]

and what makes you think that DRM would increase game sales anyway? Just wait until PS4 launches with no DRM and XBone with DRM to see who sells more software. ;)

[ShwankyShpanky]

Can you explain what makes the video game industry special among all other industries in that they should be entitled to returns from second-hand sales of previously purchased products?

[vigilante_man]

I have bought a few PS3 second-hand games on the cheap. And you know what?

I also went on-line and bought the DLC because I liked the game. This is where they get there money back..

[gamertk421]

Waiting for Sony's version of Adam Orth to appear, lol.

[ziggurcat]

"PS4 will not have used game fees #dealwithit"?

[ginsunuva]

But you gamers have to also agree to not go out of your way to buy a used game and save a measly $5, while giving Sony no money to make more games for you.
Have used games as an option, but buy more new copies of exclusives that you like.

[worldwidegaming]

They all make money! It was added in the whole business model decades ago!
The problem is they want MORE money! Its greed! Seriously,
Gamestop takes a risk everytime they buy a used game! But also made a lot of money!
Most of all no rental games! None zip,zilch! Thats their TRUE target!
I rent before i buy and if I do not like it i just return. Now how am i going to
Try before i buy? Yeah i can hear their answer dealwithit.lmao...
Sony is smart, (i hope so)

[LKHGFDSA]

The way I see it, the more games you trade in, the more new games you buy carelessly.
So it evens out.

[JenovaXD]

I'm opening a twitter account just for the cause!

[worldwidegaming]

They are not going to do it. The used game sector in japan is too big and heads will roll if it happened in Japan.
This just renforces that other countries are not going to stand for it either!

[OSIRUSSS]

I was in Games top just yesterday buying used games! I will say this, those people are scared in there. It also seems that the Anti-MS FUD campaign is getting started cause the store manager said that the XBONE is gonna cost 600. That's straight from MS! I don't buy that for one second! As soon as she said it everyone in the store said they aren't getting it! These are strange times we live in!

[isarai]

Sony response? "We love your passion!"
Microsoft response? "#DealWithIt"

[Neo-Axl]

Something worth fighting for!
#PS4NoDRM #PS4USEDGAMES

[HarvesterOSarow]

I haven't used twitter too much, but I got it to make a statement to Sony about the Vita 6 months ago, so when I saw people were doing this to keep the PS4 a great place for gaming, I had to get back on and tweeeeeeet! haha Good job people!

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Whats truly interesting here is the Publishers ...whom we have not heard ONE peep from. Publishers / Devs have been hammering on used games for years now and went so far as to create systems like Online Passes to combat used game sales and them not getting a cut. Now a system appears to be emerging that is, if we believe their past statements about used games, in line with what they want. What is there stance? Do they support it...are they going to enforce similar on other systems like the PS4?

Sony has played this masterfully, their stance at the reveal "we wont block and will leave it up to publishers" puts them in a total good guy light regardless of how they truly think of used games. Even if Sony allows DRM / Used game blockage its going to be "because the publishers wanted it" and not Sony. Well played Sony....

[GrumpyGamer]

here's the thing though if the deal has been struck on either side of the equation its going to have been struck on the other as well. Can you honestly see the publishers making what they see as an amicable agreement with Microsoft and then not with Sony but just letting that situation roll? I don't if its with one its with the other and all the angry tweeting in the world aint gonna fix it.

[vigilante_man]

MS made sure all multi-platform games were the same so the PS3 version could not have the better graphics it MAY have produced.

Just an example of MS & developers agreement without Sony's consent. So it can happen.

[rainslacker]

Given the arrogance of some publishers...say EA...yes I believe they would be willing to do this on one console, and just drop support of another.

Just two weeks ago, EA dropped support of Wii U. They also happen to drop their online passes. Then they show up at MS event. I wouldn't doubt that EA feels themselves so crucial to the entirety of the gaming market, that they would want to try and force another console makers hand by withholding games.

With dropping the Wii U, the sales weren't there for them, so it wasn't a big loss for them. But if they are trying to force Sony, then Sony may just call their bluff. EA won't be able to use the inferior hardware excuse, and if they try to withdraw support from Sony, their intentions would be clear as day. On top of that, they certainly know that PS4 is going to sell well, and will not want to miss out on that revenue.

The way things are going, I think the online pass will just be renamed something fancy, and be digital on PS4 next gen. I doubt EA is going to want the kind of backlash we're seeing now by blocking an entire game. And I have no doubt that may come. Or possibly a boycott that actually works...for once.

[DigitalAnalog]

Wow, the XB1 reveal caused so much fear to the gamers they now appeal to the alternative not to fall down that route. I really hope SONY listens because I really may skip this gen and convert to the Wii-U club.

[wishingW3L]

I'm on the fence of going Wii U only too if DRM issues are not addressed. ;)

[Blacksand1]

The big man already said they wasn't going to block used games.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[GrumpyGamer]

read this one, specifically what he says about activation codes on the same day

http://uk.gamespot.com/news...

[tiffac008]

The ball is in Sony's court. Hopefully they will listen to the passion of the gaming community.

[dcbronco]

It funny that Sony is listening when up until now most believe that they had never considered it. Hope this makes people realize they need to think for themselves and ignore others that try to manipulate them with their own agendas. But also realize that as the gaming market grows, it will include more and more casual gamers that aren't as vocal as the few on gaming sites. And if the numbers show that only a small percentage really care one way or another, Sony and Microsoft will go with publishers if it's what the publishers want.

So keep the pressure up, but realize that in the end it might not work. Governments go against the will of their people everyday. Because they know it's usually a vocal minority that will eventually go away.

[fardan85]

done with my part

[weekev15]

My WiiU doesn't have any DRM... I've already bought 3 used games for it. I didn't need any Twitter campaign for this to happen. For the love of gaming I hope Nintendo wins this gen.

[MonopolyRSV]

Love our passion but if you take a wrong step you will fear our wrath.

[dcbronco]

Do they really though. Does anyone else find it odd that they all use similar words. Comes off as a PR pat on the head. Which usually comes with a side of stab in the back.

[threefootwang]

Very glad to hear this but the one question I can't seem to find anywhere is, will the PS4 Camera be mandatory like Kinect that it has to be plugged in 24/7?? (I know it's off topic but it's my only other concern besides DRM)

Any insightful responses would be much appreciated!

[dafegamer]

thank you neogaf, and the gamers who fought for the consumer rights

[RogueStatus28]

It's funny how people "fought" AKA begged, this hard for Sony.

[dafegamer]

too bad your god Nintendo wont listen to its fans,
when its needed ;)

[Redempteur]

They made their opinion heard ...
Remember adam orth ? GAf started it and a few month later you all see that GAF was right to
-complain
-raise awareness.

all so that this bullshit doesn't happen for real when the console is released.

[italiangamer]

I've made a twitter account only for this. I'm 100% sure Sony will listen to us...like they always do :)

[Mister_Kingdom]

"might as well die for something, than live for nothing"

as stallone once said.

[uuaschbaer]

More than 15 000 tweets have been sent.( http://www.hashtags.org/ana... ) Keep it up for longer than 1 day and news articles will start to appear on bigger websites all over the world (like golem.de and a japanese one earlier)

MOAR GIF: http://i.minus.com/ib0jwLZQ...

[Ck1x]

What's crazy is that both companies are implementing DRM of some sort into their platforms and yet Microsoft is catching all of the flack for it! No matter how you spin it, if Sony says that it will be up to the publishers on if their games are DRM required then most 3rd party developers will probably choose to use the functions to rake in the extra profits...

[Gr81]

If its wrong when M$ does it its bad when Sony does it.

Heck people have been ignoring the writing on the wall for quite a while. Sony already has policies in place like the one M$ spoke of at the conference. Example; If you buy a a game like Resistance 3 used, Sony charges a fee of $10 to play the online multiplayer...What kind of shit is this? These practices made it obviouse that M$ and third parties would have a field day with policies like that. Hell Sony might charge for online like M$ does with Live.

Lets not forget, Third Parties caused the crash of 83..Yet Atari catches all the flack. History is but a window to the future.

[Iceman_Nightmare]

This is good news, I'm definitely getting a PS4 if it has NO DRM

[AO1JMM]

Dont assume anything until they have actually outright said so.

[wishingW3L]

that's why he says "IF". lol

[BitbyDeath]

And this is why Playstation is the best

[RogueStatus28]

A petition for Sony to not use DRM for PS4?

The hypocrisy is strong. All the sudden the tune has changed. Where are the "die Sony die" chants "it's bad enough what you did to us last generation now you're going to do something else to screw us over?"

Then when the Playstation 4 is getting it's own rumors about DRM management its "oh no lets negotiate with Sony! We need our PS4!"

[badkolo]

bingo you get a bubble

[Veneno]

There is no hypocrisy when one company's response is "we're listening to our passionate fans" and the other 's is "Deal with it".

[badkolo]

so all of you are on the internet complaining about always online yet your online now, i bet you dont mind your pc bveing always on so you can complain about xbox
. oh the irony. and sony didnt confirm or deny yet everyone cuts them slack, give me a break . i wonder if the people using steam cry about not being able to trade in games.

[Veneno]

You just don't get it. And I'm not sure if it's because you don't understand the concern or if you are only hearing what you want to hear and are blocking everything else out like Microsoft wants you to do.

[badkolo]

every thing people are moaning about is being doen in their everyday life as it is, your phone, your browser on your pc, tracking you all day long and so on.

[AO1JMM]

I see no evidense of anything changing though. We will see soon enough though.

[HurstDarkStar]

After reading the tweets my faith in gaming has been seriously moved and almost to the point of choking up ;D

[mrkeith]

Did they all need to say "passion" in their posts? kind of weird

[wishingW3L]

if not "passion" then "demented" would be better? lol

[mrkeith]

lol it seems sketchy that they all used the word "passion". Kind of weird.

[FlyingFoxy]

Xbox One is becoming more like PC, which is pointless because if you already have a good one then it's better than the Xbox - Reason : Games are always cheaper, no monthly sub bs, it can do a ton more than the Xbox.

Sony have a good chance of gaining a lot of ground with the PS4 if they can get around making people pay to play used games. Nintendo will also be selling Wii U's much more, especially once a few great games come out.

The only interest i had for the new Xbox was a possible new Banjo or Conker game, but i can't see that happening.. besides it's likely Wii U will get similar games, especially if a new 3D Donkey Kong comes out. Nothing else on Xbox interests me and you can get the multiplats on the other consoles or PC.

[YodaCracker]

Most of the time I cannot afford to purchase my games new so I rely on GameFly to get my gaming fix. If I can't rent games on the Xbox One because of these used game policies, then I will have no choice but to go with the PS4 this coming gen. If both companies restrict used games then I may be done with gaming altogether.

[Tokyo_reject]

People who talk shit about the PS4 or XBOX One........are just pissed cause they know they wont be able to afford it when it comes out....just saying =P

[Aghashie]

its good to know they are listening!

[RELIGHT]

NeoGaf FTW! Gamers Unite! #Ps4NoDRM

[Sy_Wolf]

Sony hasn't said that they won't use something similar which I find slightly offputting. They just say they love how passionate PlayStation fans are. I guess we will know for sure when E3 hits. I hope they integrate it in to their keynote and say "We know all of you don't want obtrusive DRM, and unlike aw of our competitors we will never implement such a system."

[LKHGFDSA]

Yeah it'd have more of an impact if they said it at E3.

[DivineAssault]

His kind words lead me to believe that sony is going to do what we want with the situation but he just cant confirm it.. Didn't seem to be avoiding the subject or anything either.. They hear us

[Flames76]

No doubt they will block used games and will be a fee

[llMurcielagoll]

I am pretty sure that Sony won't enforce DRM on us, the reason being because they definitely have seen how people lashed out over the Xbox one. If Sony was stupid enough to follow in Microsoft's footsteps, it will hurt their business pretty HARD!

[project_pat36]

Is it weird to anybody besides me that each of the responders from ps3 used the word "passion/passionate" in each response?

damn sorry for reposting this I missed the above comments.

[S2Killinit]

no really

[marchinggamer]

Everyone saying that they couldn't block used games even if they want to they could we are talking about two rich companies with enough power to bulldoze any laws in there way happens all the time already in Europe the EU is full of shit and gos after everybody and they never get them in the end example Google and apple on privacy

[jimbobbeers]

Oh you lot are absolutely going to melt when they announce a fee for used games, it's going to be funny watch you try to defend them afterwards and blame Microsoft.

[S2Killinit]

I already blame Microsoft, they seem to be the leaders when it comes to bending customers over. In my opinion, Sony is waiting on the verdict from MS, reason being they can't afford to let the competition run away with such a huge cash flow. I hope I'm wrong and Sony can find a way to avoid it.

[creepjack]

You people are CRAZY if you think Sony isn't gonna impose restrictions of some kind, but Microsoft is. This is a mutual thing worked out with publishers and retailers. Wait and see.

Either they will both use restrictions, or they both wont.

[hankmoody]

Exactly the same thing I said. Just because Sony hasn't opened their mouths in regards to this matter, it's pretty much unthinkable that they would implement something similar. Right? RIGHT? (smh)

[KontryBoy706]

Thing is its not SONY that all oh his energy should have gone to. It should have been the developers. After all SONY already said they are not blocking used games they are giving the option to the devs. So all of the twitter stuff should have gone to EA, Ubisoft, Activion etc. as well. Good efforts though by the community. Hopefully Sony just singlehandedly takes the option from the devs. Not likely though.

[sagapo]

I dunno what to think. Developers would get money from used games on Xbox One, but not from the same used game on PS4??
If so, GREAT!!! but I have my doubts...

Anyway, no Xbox for me atm, but if there's a price tag on used games in any form on PS4 titles, I'll think twice about buying any console tho.

[VTKC]

Somebody get MS a shovel.

[mrdeli]

This is from the company that uses Cinavia. Sony fans wake up

[Skeith]

If PS4 don't use DRM, PS4 is instant win. But don't worry Xbot, because Xbone at least can become the next watercooler.

[ryanf_279]

I really don't understand why anyone would buy a XBOX ONE instead of PC. Steam on PC is free and is THEE best service offering more features then LIVE and the biggest game library. Of course the initial price of a PC is more but it pays itself when you dont have to pay for LIVE and subscriptions, and games on Steam are always 1/4 of the price vs console.....PS4 on the other hand has good exclusives I really enjoy but MS has 2 exclusives its no contest...I'm new to this site but PC/PS4 is the best combo.

[hankmoody]

Hilarious. Don't any of you people find it strange that Sony has said nothing in regards to whether or not their system will have a similarly implemented DRM on used games on their own machine? What they're basically doing right now is standing back and letting MS take their lumps for something that I can almost guarantee they support themselves. You'd be a fool to think that Sony is not involved in this in some similar way when you consider how much money stands to be made off of this dramatic change in the used games market. And of course, you can bet that the developers themselves are in on this too because THEY ARE BUSINESSES. Why wouldn't they want in on some of that cash that outlets like Gamestop are hoarding all for themselves? Sony is in the same boat with MS, they're just hiding their face in their hands.

[ryanf_279]

Sony isn't always online for one...so in now way shape can enforce a game tied to an account....Sony having a console that works offline can't enforce DRM even if the Blu ray had a serial key it still has to be pinged to a server but like I said ps4 can work offline...If they did have a DRM scheme i don't know what it is..

[Darkshader]

A lot of MS fanboys are angry because xboxone has DRM, so to encourage themselves they will say that Sony is planning to have DRM too. You guys are the same trolls that keep bashing the PS3 that it will have fees just to pay online. It's 7 years now and no fee was implemented to use PS3 online ... haha ... pathetic.

Sony gamers unite and voice out your opinion and tell it to your friends so everyone is aware what microsoft is doing.

MS is the reason why we have DLC and exclusive DLC in the first place, instead of getting a complete version of the game.

[Kujii]

I understand the arguement of used games being cheaper for people and lending games to friends to play. I my self have picked up a few used games a few months after release and also borrow games from a friends.

But what would this mean for mid-sized studios? If Sony or Microsoft did listen and allowed used games for another gen, would alot of these mid-sized studios slowly die?

how much would that effect the quality of games in the future?

Just wondering what everyones thoughts are on this.

[MacDonagh]

There will be DRM on the PS4.

Have you noticed how game publishers have been largely silent on the issue of DRM? Think about it. Why would developers and publishers support a console without the DRM nonsense? Sony didn't patent their RFID model for nothing and I will be most interested to see if there will be the same amount of outrage over Sony doing such a thing compared to what Microsoft has gotten.