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Sony Patents tech that Tracks Load Times to detect Pirated Software

Sony has filed a new patent which may be useful in combating piracy. (Industry, PS3, PS4, Sony)

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nrvalleytime  +   1085d ago
If this actually works, it would be incredible for Sony. I would hate the idea of my game unintentionally being read as illegal, but since I don't download illegally, as long as it doesn't affect me, more power to them.
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Smurf1  +   1085d ago
This is a bad idea because of hardware wear and tear.
nrvalleytime  +   1085d ago
There are a number of ways it could go wrong, but hardware slowdown is one I'm sure they'll be able to address. Like I mentioned, if it works well, okay then. However, if they can't successfully implement it on the PS4, then it's a problem.
JoGam  +   1085d ago
Wait what?
B1663r  +   1085d ago
Moving parts wear out in very predictable ways. All they have to do is track for the age of the blu-ray drive, and they can probably develop some function of legitimate slowdown, vs the slowdown caused by pirated disks.

@r21 below...

Welcome to the x86 world, where every caveat and detail about the cpu is known by hackers around the world. Now that the PS4 is based on that, I expect it to have a piracy problem comparable to what the xbox 360 has...
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Ashlen  +   1085d ago
No, guys, I want to explain what the article creator didn't understand. It's looking for load times faster than they should be. For example Ni No Kuni had a bunch of people complain it crashed. But it was revealed that only downloaded copies of the disk version loaded a certain element too fast causing a memory conflict and crash. The Digital Download version was altered to not do this. So again there not looking for files that load too slow, there looking for files that load too fast.
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MikeMyers  +   1085d ago
It's sad that so much time and resources are needed to try and combat piracy. Not sad that they are doing it but sad that they pretty much have to.

With the internet being such a public place and a wealth of information it's easy to see why they have to try and take drastic measures to stop piracy. Once the key is out there it becomes very hard to lock the door again.
TheGamerDood  +   1085d ago
Just imagine it's your game, that you've spent 2-3 years of your life working on and some snot nosed little punk is enjoying the f-out-of-it and you get nothing for it. Used games is one thing but on this issue Sony should do everything in their power to prevent.
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brich233  +   1085d ago
31 people + dont know what wear and tear would do.
Peppino7  +   1085d ago
bangshi  +   1085d ago
Except the 360 already does it and it doesn't work because they (c4eva) found ways to combat it.
ZombieNinjaPanda  +   1085d ago
Instead of searching for ways to stop piracy, they should be giving people incentives to not pirate. As Gabe Newell said, you need to offer people something that is better than free. That's how you stop piracy.
r21  +   1085d ago
It does sound like a good attempt at fighting back piracy but I dont think piracy is that rampant on blu ray games.
deep_fried_bum_cake  +   1085d ago
Yeah, I can't imagine it would be. It's always good to have a safeguard though.

I'm not entirely sure this will be implemented though. Unless of course they're able to sort out any issue it may have in wrongly identifying games as pirated.
Kratoscar2008  +   1085d ago
You dont need a BluRay copy to pirate PS3 games, there are other methods resorting to the console HDDs.

I dont think this will work out, Pirates always find ways to conutermeasure these anti-piracy things.
violents  +   1085d ago
I think the point is that with BD games when people would pirate them, at least with ps3, most people would run custom firmware that would allow them to store the entire game on the HD, which case in point allows for faster loading times. this new software would allow the hardware to detect a program loading too fast thereby distigiushing it as a pirated program.

The only problem I have with fighting piracy is that the ones that are actually paying for everything are the ones that really pay the price for a few douchebags that want to play for free.

And don't forget that just because a company patents something doesnt mean it will ever see the light of day.
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Dark_Overlord  +   1085d ago
It won't work, this has been utilised (in some form) before on PC games, didn't stop them games being pirated.
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princejb134  +   1085d ago
Cool tech but Sony hasn't needed it this gen on ps3
I still haven't heard of anyone pirating games on the ps3 even though it has been cracked
Let alone not many people going to go out of their way to download 25+ of gigs to play a game
Rainstorm81  +   1085d ago
On top of that you need ancient PS3 firmware that does not go online....too much hassle...iMO
EbeneezerGoode  +   1085d ago
Oh you haven't heard of it so it can't be true then?

PS3 is cracked wide open now. Any game is playable and while it's not as rampant as 360 piracy that's only because it took longer to do it properly.

And no you don't need an ancient FW at all, not anymore! And as for online, that is obviously a choice pirates don't mind making (same as multiplayer PC games).

As someone said above, with the new architecture, hacking should be technically simpler but Sony may have some "imaginative" safeguards in place that could be tricky to bypass.

So long as they allow used games/sale of used games they shouldn't suffer from piracy in any meaningful financial way (none of the consoles do, even with Piracy the games industry makes a massive amount of cash thanks to high prices - but sales are high partly because people feel they are buying a game that they own, they can sell on half price, or more, towards their next game, I have always done this as it funds my 'habit' but if they stamp out used games, then I can't justify the high prices of games anymore and nor can they.

If there is no piracy and no used games then game prices MUST be halved, as those things were always used as 'excuses' for the ridiculously high prices of videogames.

Like the music industry, their greed will bite them in the ass if they push their luck next gen.
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-Superman-  +   1085d ago
Buy, sell and trade with friends - allowed.
Pirate game without paying anything - BAN(and should be).
Gamias580  +   1085d ago
I think the best solution for them is to reduce the price of video games especially the ones downloaded digitally. I don't understand why a lot of games are marked at 60$ to 65$ with tax. I dont see anyone trying to pirate angry birds! Yea sure they work 2 to 3 years to make a video game but what about movies that come out they take about the same amount of time to make too and they go for about 20 to 30 dollars. I could name loads of video games this past generation that were not worth 60 dollars
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humbleopinion  +   1084d ago
The chances of this thing working as expected (ie: not blocking legitimate users) are about the same as the infamous Sony BMG Rootkit malware working without locking up users drives:

I really hoped they learn from past lessons.
ritsuka666  +   1084d ago
Sony Patents tech that Tracks Load Times to detect Pirated Software''''

Stop this BS, Sony..

No matter what company or how big that company is, there is always someone out there smarter than them who will come up with a hack. Just saying..
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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   1085d ago
cool. to bad for pirates.
IcicleTrepan  +   1085d ago
it is an interesting idea, but I think there are too many factors at play to be able to do this reliably. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
cleverusername  +   1085d ago
Good, hope it works!
TemplarDante  +   1085d ago
*reads title*
suck on that, pirate scum :)
delboy  +   1085d ago
The best thing about ps4 is x86 architecture.
This thing will be cracked soon enough, and all the great emulators from pc will be ported.
Qrphe  +   1085d ago
Idk man, the Xbox was also x86 architecture and it hasn't even been emulated yet after almost a decade.
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delboy  +   1085d ago
I was thinking about ps4 running emulators that already exists on x86/pc, like Dolphin,Mame,PS1,PS2...
That would be a true PlayStation.
Only hope for Sony boys to play a N game on Sony hardware ;-)
elmaton98  +   1085d ago
Oh man that would be great since i enjoy playing snes and n64 games a lot on my pc and then i could on my ps4 but then again i would be happier if the thing isnt hack at all just like how my ps3 is and im sure sony has something up their sleeve to prevent this from happening
tachy0n  +   1084d ago
lol like if this is enough to stop them....

you can always fool a system, no matter what.

what sony is doing is asking hackers to actually hack the PS4 since most of hackers always seek a challenge to build up their name, like YinFanLu did with the PSVita.

and now with the PS4 having a PC-like structure it will be even easier, have you noticed how many times DRM has failed on the PC? it always does.


emulation is not easy at all, and demands lots of coding and power, example of this is PCSX2, you need a pretty decent computer to be able to play some games from the PS2 at full speed. another example would be the N64 emulator on the PSP after for like 5 years it is still in development!!!

what sony should had done if they really wanted to stop piracy a bit, would be for them to make a completely proprietary struture.....
stage88  +   1085d ago
Great idea but I thought with the PS3, hackers burn the games to the HDD so they don't play them off a disc. Won't this be the same it PS4 gets hacked? (I really don't want that happening.)
Squall5005  +   1085d ago
Just because a company Patents a product doesn't mean they'll use it.

We saw the Patents for the Playstation controller that splits into two. And we've all seen the new Dualshock 4.

And not forgetting the 'Used game blocking' Patent. Sony has already confirmed that the PS4 WON'T block used games.

Personally, I've not nothing against tech that will block pirated games as long as it doesn't have any negative or noticeable impact on my console.
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Killzoner99  +   1085d ago
This is why I love Sony , they are always innovating and looking for the tech edge. Genius idea.
BaconBits  +   1085d ago
If they altered the digital version of Ni No Kuni to overcome this too fast load time then what is to stop a pirate from applying a similar patch to a pirated game to achieve the proper load time?
solid_warlord  +   1085d ago
Don't mess with c4eva...he will F*** up Sony. Its a mission for him as well as a hobby. LT is coming to a PS4 near u.
kingPoS  +   1085d ago
Do you REALLY want for that to happen.
Certain economies are hinged on this joint venture you know.

Is it now ok to not help those selling the genuine?
Would you like for your hard work given away too?
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solid_warlord  +   1085d ago
i buy the games i like. Micro$oft should be thanking C4eve for helping them sell there system.
kingPoS  +   1085d ago
I'd rather piracy to stay far far away from the PS4 as long as possible.
Preferably for six years or more.

Hmmm... if rfid chips aren't for used software then what could they be for?
Could it be that BC's presence would casts unknown vulnerabilities if included?
Did Sony start over with a clean slate on the PS4?

Hopefully those jangly "keys" are buried in the earth's core this time around. lol
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LKHGFDSA  +   1085d ago
What if you use an SSD or other different type of internal HDD?
uuaschbaer  +   1085d ago
Sounds like a good way for Sony to sell more blu-ray burners and empty discs.
Jake_the_Dog  +   1085d ago
This makes sense because the ps4 is so similar to PC architecture, it may be cracked relatively easy compared to the cell. One patent I hope they never use is blocking used games. If they implement it, Microsoft may be quick to announce they won't carry the feature and divert sales from Sony. That may be a positive however, as it would force Sony to drop the terrible feature.
ironfist92  +   1085d ago
I dont get it, so theyre saying if the game loads any faster than what is expected, you'll get blocked/banned?

What happens if it just loads quicker for no reason, or when a developer releases a patch to make the game load quicker?
Gamias580  +   1085d ago
Maybe they should make games cheaper so people wouldnt have to want to pirate games... I don't see people pirating angry birds
N0S3LFESTEEM  +   1085d ago
Angry birds isn't exactly on the top of the list there guy...
PersonMan  +   1085d ago
So if I want to put an SSD in my PS4, it's going to tell me I pirated the game because it loads too fast?
kingPoS  +   1084d ago
Check it folks!

Think back a couple years ago... April 2011 to be exact, that ring a bell. Following that, a patent was filed in August 2011. When someone busts your house down sometimes irrational is all you can think. "Sigh"... hindsight is 20/20.

Now fast forward to to 2013

Either Sony has those discs/lasers/disks rendered bulletproof or they may as well go about strangling themselves. I'd like to think Sony has thoroughly tested this patent in everyday, random and even interrupted use. Hopefully Sony sees reason and decides to have it heavily amended.

If not, gun meet... foot... repeatedly.

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jacksheen0000  +   1084d ago
Sony Idea won't work. A dirty laser can in fact affect the loading time.
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konohashin  +   1084d ago
Good So I will do something to slow down my load times and when sony blocks my system I will sue them.

Easy money!

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