Sony hints at the future with a Gran Turismo tech demo in Japan.
Hopefully someone records it and uploads it.
But without a 4K monitor to view it wouldn't that be kind of pointless. Like watching an hd feed on a standard def TV.
Even if someone records and tube it, we'd see crap of difference, quality is ripped off when you upload a vid on the net :P O-T Would be glorious to see this going into GT6 for PS4 *drool*
Maybe the PS4 4K rumors are true. The games would look crazy. I've seen a 4K tv in action and it's a nice surprise. Too bad they will cost too much but maybe by the time PS4 drops they will be reasonable.
Polyphony did the same thing with PS3, when the PS2 started to reach the end of its life polyphony fiddled with GT4 in HD- HD concept. Personally I think that 4k is not really required for most people in the home. If you are talking about a 40 foot cinema screen, or PC, or a PC monitor where you can play games from literally 2 feet away, you can tell the difference. But at 8 feet or more like an average living room then you need 60 inch screens and more to even much improvement over 1080p. http://lowtek.ca/roo/wp-con... Considering this generation which was supposed to be 720p didn't actually turn out that way with countless games under that resolution and lacking anti aliasing, I'll happily settle for mandatory 1080p and at least equivalent of 4 x MSAA for next gen. I think this is realisitcally what would work and deliver that leap in visuals we should expect, aka samaritan demo.
'Maybe the PS4 4K rumors are true.' It makes sense, Sony will be pushing 4K TV's and there is no better way to push them than with bringing it to consoles. Same tactic was used for pushing both DVD and Blu-ray sales.
@Vulcanproject - Remember they said 1080p wasn't required for anything under 40". Cellphones now have 1080p screens. You can tell the difference and don't let those naysayers tell you otherwise.
well most of the quality would be wasted watching on anything lower then a 4k monitor, but thats not to say it wouldnt look better then what we currently have at in gt5 now @ 1080p, at 4k there would be no jaggys, and more detailed textures watching it on a 1080p display
@BuLLDoG909 Not only will we not get jaggies but we'll get it without using anti-aliasing since the pixels are too small to see at any reasonable distance.
Guwapo77 "Remember they said 1080p wasn't required for anything under 40". Cellphones now have 1080p screens" You are missing the rest of the argument though. From a normal viewing distance for a TV, your eyes have been scientifically proven to not be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 720p on anything under about a 46" television. Mobile phones are vastly different, since you generally view them from about a foot from your face, meaning you can easily discern a higher resolution. With phones we have hit the ceiling in terms of resolution needed though. The iPhone 5 for example doesnt even use a 720p resolution, yet has the undisputed best screen on a mobile phone so far. Its resolution is 1136×640. The human eye is basically unable to notice anything higher than that from a regular viewing angle on a screen that size. This has been confirmed and backed up by scientists. To see any difference between 4K and 1080p from a regular viewing distance for a TV, you very much do need to have a TV that is 60+ inches.
I think more like everyone is missing the point. The factors are screen size, resolution, and distance. 1080p on a small phone screen is ok, mainly because you tend to hold the thing about 12 inches from your face! 4K on a cinema screen is noticeable even from a decent distance(but not too far), mainly because the screen is 40+ feet wide! However 4k on a 46 inch screen 8 feet away is different. You will probably struggle to glean a great deal more detail and you would probably be better off using that performance on the assets of the game. Think about the setting consoles are usually played in. Not a phone screen 12 inches away, not a 40 foot cinema screen, usually a HDTV, usually 50 inches tops for probably like 90 percent of people, and probably not much closer than 8 feet. But anyway, i highly doubt we will be seeing native 4k games next gen just as we have hardly seen any true native 1080p games this gen. As I pointed out, we haven't even managed every game native 720p this gen! So aim for a solid 1080p, and a bunch of AA, and I think most people will be very happy...
Its just a demo. Thats it. but There is no denying 4K & 8K is already here. And it took only a few 5-7 years for HD to take over SD. not even a decade. Apple's Ultra HD Retina Display screens for 56 Mega pixel DSLR cameras will be available this year. If the Sony will make 8 release a 10 year life cycle PS4 in 2014 it only make sense to furure proof it by supporting 4K resolution. Cloud gaming like Gaikai will not be limited by CPU GPUs strength by that time.
@vulcanproject Did you even notice how huge the margin of error is on that chart you posted. I know plenty of people who sit less than 8 feet from their TV (or monitor)...especially when gaming. Also, if your running a game in a higher rez there will be less need for AA, allowing a portion of those resources to be reallocated when we reach that point. Finally, 4k could also mean support for 2 1080p TVs, maybe 4 at 720p. Local multiplayer with today's graphics FTW!
actually youtube supports higher resolutions than 1080- but its so unstable unless you have fast tier internet and 2 gpus its going to lag really bad http://www.youtube.com/watc... just one example. http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... but our curent technology sucks, for one to record a 4k res video would take terabytes and at least 5 hours of rendering and another 5 to upload to youtube.
They originally did this back in 2008 (the article mentions this): http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gt5+21... Here's some newer GT5 2160p pics: http://farm9.staticflickr.c... http://farm9.staticflickr.c... http://farm9.staticflickr.c... Source: http://www.flickr.com/photo...
@sikbeta when you go to the store, do you still buy standard def tv's from the 90's, probably not, so in 5-10yrs, most people will be getting tv's that will be 4k res, because the industry updates and forces the consumer to buy the most up to date technology.
Even if in 2 years 4K tv's dropped by 80% in price it would still be like 4000$..... It would make no sense to cater to the 10% of gamers who could actually afford it.
without a 4k device to display this game there will be NO tangible benefit to gamers. This sounds like the 3d bull that Sony pushed in 2011. That didn't hit mass appeal either.
ZoyosJD yes I did notice the margin for error, which any way you look at it isn't remotely close to 4k being noticeable. 1440p isn't even close to 4k and you struggle to see 1440p at a mere 5 feet on a 40 inch tv....Let alone anything further away! Do your maths, 2560 x 1440 isn't even half 4k. 4k as in 4 times 1080p which is UHD- 3840 x 2160. So the graph is even more skewed towards my point, it is even harder to discern at 5 feet. But then for every one person you know games on a console at less than 8 feet or on a monitor, I know five people that don't. It is called catering for the majority, and 4k is not a very good answer to that. The argument that higher resolution means less AA is also kinda pointless when you talk specifically about 1080p and 4k, because good MSAA is vastly less demanding to enable than 4k rez with no anti aliasing! The whole point of high quality FXAA is to make the performance cost of AA reduced even further. Anyone who really thinks that next gen consoles will do 4k native games needs their heads checking. If PC doesn't do it commonly now, console won't be doing it in a year. Its just a fact of life. PC was doing 1024 x 768 commonly 7 or 8 years before 360 turned up, there is no way a console will do 4k games before it becomes more common on PC. I'll give each of you a million pounds if next gen consoles run their games natively at over 8 megapixels :D
@vulcanproject Man, you are defensive. I go to PM you that your charts are actually way out of date and you've already blocked me. Don't believe me here is the new chart from the same site you referenced. http://s3.carltonbale.com/r... This one is far more accurate and includes 4k over 1440p since 1440p is nonstandard and includes a fairly small sliver of the spectrum. Also don't say you'll give me money you don't have.
more like ps3 quad sli hehehe
lol you're right.. I'll be happy if next gen we can just have 1080p 60fps at standard, sure 4k would moisten my carpet with the drool from my saliva glands. But let's be realistic....
No matter how "good" it looks or what resolution it can run at, it still won't outweigh the boring game that the GT series has always been.
It only boring for people who are crappy drivers.
"It looks good but I'll always find GT boring" There, see it's easy to not sound like a troll.
Looks like those PS4 rumors were true!
Idk, computers can barely do it unless you spend more than a thousand dollars on it. Its most likely running off a computer with sli or crossfire. If they had games running at a res like that on a console, they'd need a really big box for ventilation lol.
Im glad sales equals quality now like you said with gt series. Now thats settled lets go play some wi fit.
If a PS3 can render GT5 at 1080p then four PS3s should be able to render at 4K with horsepower to spare. Remember it's only the graphics that change in going from 1080p to 4k, the rest of the code doesn't get any more demanding. I expect a PS4 to be 5-10 times more powerful than a PS3 so there will be games that run at 4k natively. Just don't expect all games to support 4K though, just like all games can't do 1080p this generation.
kneon only thing wrong with you analysis is one gt5 isnt full 1080p on ps3 and two GT5 graphics arent true 4K off the 4 ps3's I mean is DMC collection Graphic level really HD compared to DMC4 the answer is no. All their doing is using 4 systems to project a game in 4k not the same as 4k content
wouldnt 4k recorded and displayed on a 1080p moniter be well pointless
Sorry Chunky but 4K TVs are already under the 20K mark. That means in 2 years they will be easily affordable by plenty of us. Like every piece of tech they rapidly become consumer friendly as regards price - Bluray, HDTV, 3DTV, all dropped rapidly in price and became a standard feature. 4K will be no different particularly when one considers how long that resolution has been a cinema standard. Many Bluray restorations of older films were taken from 4K prints.
Right now its $25,000+ They have one up and running at the Sony Store at the Eaton Centre in Downtown Toronto. It's $25,000+ the manager told My wife and I. I have no idea where you are getting its under $20,000 unless some cheap Chinese knock off is hiding in the shadows. And for gamers on this site thinking these upcoming consoles will run games at that NATIVE resolution? I won't ev