GT Admit They Don't Turn On Full RGB On The PS3 For Comparisons

GT Admit They Don't Turn On Full RGB On The PS3 For Comparisons

[paul_war]

I assume they would want to make the games look the best they possibly could on their respecitve consoles. Using the best cables, settings etc.

How is this be sacrificing their integrity?

Edit: If this forum post is even true

[JsonHenry]

Under what conditions is "Full" supposed to be turned on anyway? How should you know to turn on "full" and not leave it set to normal? Do they turn on the "expanded" option for the 360 when they do these tests?

[pswi60]

Originally Posted by DeusAmbrose
I'm curious about the Copy-Protected HD deal. If its true that the signal is blocked then I can understand at least to an extent. If it is the case they have no place doing these comparisons at all. Comparisons are intended generally to show something at its greatest potential. In a race, a runner doesn't jog more slowly because the other competition isn't capable. Thats complete bullshit.

If this whole HD signal blocked thing ends up being inconsequential to video games, and only applies to movies (which would make sense) then they need to answer for this outrage. I hate seeing injustice. The 360 was created with SD in mind, HD was an aftethought in response to the Playstation. Its design lends itself better to Standard Definition.

If the Playstation is capable of better visuals, but is hindered by puroseful handicap, then the comparison is unfair and void of credibility. Fanboyism aside, which I hope I am free of by saying I'm concerned mostly for the journalistic integrity here and not the Playstation in particular, I think this is outrageous and the equivalent of some carnival/tabloid ranting lie and is nothing but a medium to increase ratings and forum posts.

The fact that they've taken notice isn't enough penance. Either make the comparisons faithful to full potential, or don't make them at all. For christ sake.

[MasterChief2829]

No they use the standard setting because it looks fine through component, the expanded setting is pretty much for VGA people.

[HowarthsNJ]

Most of these sites have debug units to run review code so that excuse is not valid.

Not sure what options 360 debug units have. They may not have HDMI at all unless they were changed out for newer versions.

[BrianC6234]

This is really stupid. Maybe they should do a little work and show gamers how to best set up all three consoles. I'm sure all of them have some settings that might help things look or sound better. Or just run better. Instead they're taking the lazy way out. I'd like to see someone do a report on what a lot of the settings mean and if they help. And if they help on old standard TVs.

Who is the idiot who disagreed with me? How can anyone disagree? All I said was they should do some research and tell us how to optimize all three consoles. Anyone who clicked disagree on that is a moron.

[s1lens3]

They should say what tv are they using, cables, and settings. That should be a real comparison.

[Howler9443]

Actually, I understand where this guy from GT is coming from. I mean, "Joe User" isn't necessarily going to be tweaking his console's settings. I know thats pretty general and a lot of us do tweak. But the common user doesn't really know or care that much. They just want to play the game and therefore "out of the box" is probably the best way to do the comparison for all consoles.

WE know how to get the best picture out our respective consoles. But most do not

With that said, perhaps they should take the time to do a second comparison that shows what the games look like when the settings are tweaked. I would go so far as to create a FAQ explaining what is happening and refer to that FAQ from the comparisons.

Just my two cents, which over the course of time has deflated, to a whopping $0.00002 and is therefore worthless! LOL!

[TANOD]

X360's default setting is FULL RGB

PS3's default setting is PARTIAL RGB

This is why PS3 games AT DEFAULT settings look washed out when compared to x360's ones

well Darkness,Oblivion looked better on PS3 even at PARTIAL setttings

X360 doesnt allow you to change from FULL ---PARTIAL / VICE VERSA

X360 doesnt even have HDMI 1.3.

On the other BARELY any ps3 owner uses RGB rather than an HDMI cable(1.3 supported).

ANY MULTIPLAT games looks better on PS3 because of HDMI 1.3 support

What a shame for GT?

another MS moneyhats like 1up and Gamespot

@jason henry BELOW

there is nothing to do with the WHITE setting

On ps3 just change your setting of VIDEO INPUT ---> RGB ----> change from PARTIAL to FULL RGB

On X360 there is nothing like that

*************************Howe ver ALL MULTIPLAT games LOOK BETTER ON PS3 since PS3 supports HDMI 1.3

a PS3 game on HDMI 1.3 looks much better than any x360 game on HDMI 1.2

JUST to let you know that there are a few X360 models (including elite and the new premiums) that actually has an HDMI port

what is the point of having HDMI port if it doesnt support HDMI 1.3

no x360 cannot change from FULL to PARTIAL and vice versa

there is just a single setting on X360.

X360 doesnt support HDMI 1.3 . Any GAME MULTIPLAT on PS3 looks wayyyyyyyyyyyy better than the x360 counterpart on ANY SETTING feturing HDMI/COMPONENT/RGB

jason henry aka jason 360

just stop with your WHITE/BLACK bullcrap

x360 is an inferior console and hence all multi games look inferior on it

GAMESRADAR agrees with us on this. GT is irrelevant cuz they are BUSTED

@the BOT below

all HD TVs support RGB FULL

I repeat

all HD TVs support RGB FULL (RGB is not used to output 1080p. It is confined to 1080i/720p ONLY) RGB doesnt support 1080p for GAMES as WELL AS MOVIES

some SD TVs support RGB full

X360's default setting :- RGB full . downscales automatically to PARTIAL on SD TV

PS3's default setting :- RGB pARTIAL . cannot automatically upscale to FULL and has to be done manually

HWOEVER all PS3 models support HDMI 1.3

no x360 model support HDMI 1.3

ANY MULTI GAME on HDMI 1.3 looooks milessssss better than the x360 counterpart.

MEANING ----ALL MULTI GAMES at optimal settings look better on PS3

[JsonHenry]

Yes you can change your reference level on the 360. I have to do it when I use a computer monitor as my screen because the Monitor has a different white default reference level than my LCD TV.

You should not have to change it (on either console) unless you need to change the reference level because of the TV/monitor you are using has as its default white reference level.

[joevfx]

your TV supports RGB Full. not all TVs do.

[SlappyMcTaint]

What bafoon buys a PS3 or 360 and doesn't optimize the settings for his own personal setup? Fcking morons!

GT: "we just leave the resolution at 480, HD is for pu$$ies."

[Xbox is the BEST]

360 has RGB?
STFU
PLAY B3HIND

[The Killer]

that GT dont uses good settings for ps3 when comparing it with 360!

[FamilyGuy]

LIES!

That's a lie, neither system starts in HD so it has to be changed from "default" for the start. They're changing settings just to play on the "same cabling". -_- L

[TheSadTruth]

Tanod obviously doesn't get out much.

[sloth4urluv]

Owning niether system the only thing these comparisons have showed me is that both versions of the games previewed were usually identical. I always knew that the washed out could be either be compinsated for on the PS3 or on the tv itself. Only thing I looked for in the comparisons were missing details (like trees and stuff in the background) and dips in frame rate. Shaders may sometimes look slightly different because during porting they had to be re optimized to work for the specific hardware, but really thats the only differences your going to see in multiplats.
Even without optimization unless you are playing the games side by side your not going to notice or be dissapointed.

No point at trying to find differances in geometry or textures, no point in any developer changing an asset for a already completed game, only thing that needs to change is the engine that runs the game.

Onto the HDMI 1.3 rants.
even if you recorded the 360 using component and the PS3 using HDMI 1.3 your not going to see a differance on a GT HD 480P compressed comparison video.
While obviously a pure digital signal has its benifits, just like the comparisons your only really going to notice the differances if you have two tvs side by side.
For example at work I have two 19" LCDs one is connected to vga and the other DVI (same exact thing as HDMI) and honestly I can barely tell the differance, the vga is slightly fuzzier, but is only relly noticable at text, looking at a picture or something like that its extremly difficult to tell them apart.

Bottomline no real reason to be mad at game trailers, its not like they are claiming that a certian version looks better.

Fanboys are gay and will always see extra detail on their system that really isnt there.

BTW decided to say something before some uninformed fanboy decided to argue with me about DVI and HDMI. Remove the audio layer from HDMI and you have the same exact thing, while the protocols may vary its like sending a BMP in a RAR or a ZIP file the end result is the same exact thing. Analog methods like component or VGA would be comparable to send the image as a jpeg instead.

[Blackfrican]

By this logic they would also film PS3 with default composite cables.

I do not understand Sony. When i bought my PS3 off a guy, i thought he screwed me over and kept the HDMI cable. Then to find out that it comes with composite I realized who truly screwed me over. HDMI cables are not expensive.

The instructions for optimizing your screen are horrible in box and online.

For a system with an HD format, and supposedly the best High def graphics in games is it not a bit insulting to un-box your composite cable?

[Tru_Blu]

Buried but I have tried full off and full on. Full on is way better, at least for me. I've read some say it's better to turn it off on blu-ray.com, It depends on the TV. The colors 'POP' much better for me with it on.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

Fools.

There you go 360ers, read it for your self.

now run along kiddies and continue on w/ your horrible week.

[rofldings]

rofl, some guy on the GT forums posted this picture:

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

I take original Doom over COD4!

Also nice avatar :P I see you changed it. Is it same person?

Asain Women FTW!

[bababrooks]

great pics rofldings..........looks like a cod4(360) v resistance fall of man(ps3) comparison. j/k

[TANOD]

well even on a FULL RANGE RGB the comparison is still not VALID.

All PS3 models support HDMI 1.3

a few X360 models support BUT ONLY and TILL HDMI 1.2

so any multiplat game would look better on PS3

GT----shame on you. MS moneyhats

[Michael Jackson]

hahaha! lol at that pic. seriously that made me life. nice find rofldings

[InYourMom]

That was the funniest thing I've read all day. It does look like COD4 vs Resistance..

Go on and keep making excuses for your console Sony cry babies. Despite what the wacko group on here thinks, GT is respected as the most reliable game comparisons on the net.

[wallace1000]

@rofldings That picture is sweet, i laughed my ass off. TANOD we don't need the microsoft conspiracy theories, they aren't paying people off to give bad reviews or make sure settings are tweaked!

[Pain]

Busted like this guy!

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

everyone.

[CrazzyMan]

http://super.gameshot.net/p...
http://super.gameshot.net/p...

GT did LAME thing, instead of showing BEST image they could get from BOTH systems, they just show default.

This good for CASUALs, but NOT for GAMERs.

[kornbeaner]

bubbles for u!!

[dantesparda]

Hey can someone do a "Super-white" comparsion? cuz i cant see any difference between the 2 settings on it. Maybe its my TV cant do it (I have a Samsung LN-T3753H)

[Neurotoxin]

Why not put the most optimal settings on for BOTH systems and see how the comparisons come out? That would sort out most of the arguments in the comments of GT.

It seems to me they like to create a fanboy battleground when there is a compromise which would not undermine either system.

:EDIT: Who is approving this rubbish, it might not even be true.....

[titntin]

Surely the whole point of a comparison video is to show how good each game can look? The forum also sheds light on the fact that videos from the different formats are compresed seperately - with what looks like different settings, before they are then editted together and recompressed for the web.
This clearly means that when you are watching a split screen, you can have more video artifacts on one side of the comaparison than on the other.
Whichever machine this favours, it clearly shows thas such comparison videos are not worth the time it takes to watch them.
If you really want to know what the games look like on their respective formats, the best way is to go to atrusted retailer to view a demo..

[Howler9443]

@LJWooly

LJWooly, he didn't quite catch you on your grammer. While it does appear that starting a sentence with a conjunction is an American idiosyncrasy, that doesn't mean that its totally incorrect either.

Please refer to the following link.
http://dictionary.reference...

Basically, it appears that while not the best solution, it is acceptable for "informal" writing, while formal documents should avoid the practice of starting a sentence with a conjunction at all times.

I hope this helps. I only mention this because I was curious on the correctness of the usage as well.

[mighty_douche]

This comes from the forum? im not sure if this can really be trusted.

EDIT @ maka, yeah just read more, seems pretty legit.

[makatak]

Slowly but surely all this PS3 bashing is gonna have to come to and end. All these 'unbias' media sites would have to stop running on train they all ran on in '07. It was easy to do dirt on the ps3 last year even if it was a lie, or in this case bs settings. I just hope this year everyone realizes that all the lame excuses about the ps3 have dried up

edit\ por que douche??? it sounds legit to me

[InYourMom]

Soon the PS3 droids are going to have to stop making excuses and accusations. The crap that everyone is paid off to hate Sony, dev's haven't learned The Cell, etc. Everyone is at fault here but Sony.

From someone who owns both systems(and really if you don't own both you should really STFU about comparisons) I see the problems between mutliplatform games on the PS3 vs. 360; this stuff isn't made up.

[bootsielon]

That would completely defeat the purpose of making money on fools

[eyeballpauluk]

default settings? thats a bit strange...jsut like with the PC they will let you know how it runs on an optimum system...the only reason they let you know how a lower spec PC runs games is due to the fact many folk will have low spec PC's! But with a 360 and ps3, every1 has the same hardware, so therefore they should set the 360 and ps3 settings to optimum!

Else, their comparisons are basically useless...where the game may look better on the 360 or the ps3, when actually it isnt!

[redmamoth]

... if/when a game comes out that runs at 1080p native on the PS3, but only 720p on the 360, they will completely discount the 1080p option on the PS3 for a "fair" comparison.... Man they talk out their @rses!!!

[JBaby343]

That's about what they are saying. Set all the machines to optimal settings and show the videos. If it does truly run better on one versus the other (whether 360 or PS3) then so be it. But I want it the best it can be.

[nanometric]

I smell a strong scent of PWNED!

[mighty_douche]

ah my personal favourite fragrance!!

[urban bohemian]

Try SEX PANTHER!

[PS360WII]

Omg they don't turn on an optional setting. The end is near!! First off comparison videos are silly and are only around to start a fight not to compare so... oh well. It would be better if they used a HDTV for one and a standard for the other. I'd be more inclined to see that one. My bets on the standard tv lookin better ;)

[eyeballpauluk]

I personally like to see these videos...not for the fanboi side in me..but for the reason I actually have a ps3/360/PC so if one looks better, or controls better, or has less lag etc etc then I will get that version...

[PS360WII]

While true you cannot see if one controls better by a video and lag is an issue on many factors. You can certainly tell if it looks better thru a website that has gone thru multiple compressions to get it on the website in the first place as well.

Ah well I know my voice is the minority hense the 3 disagrees ^^

[eyeballpauluk]

yeah sorry, forgot to say, i dont just rely on a video comparison, I always go onto sites like metacritic to see what the general consensus is with review scores...and then go into a specific review like IGN or something to see what they say.

as for lag, its even more annoying that if you chose to get one game which say for example didnt look quite as good on one system, but had no lag, that then later the lag issue might be fixed with a patch, but the gfx on other system were still bad!

not that has ever happened to me, but it will one day haha

[prunchess]

Should this turn out to be true, how lazy is this? We are talking about the changing of two settings, all of about ten seconds work!

Could someone explain to me how this would "be sacrificing the integrity of the video"?

[ehandlr]

Its not that they won't...its that they can't. They stated they can not capture video via HDMI due to the handshaking problem. The only way they could do this if they have a dev kit basically.

[ar]

Strange. It seams to me the one most exited over these comparisons videos are fanboys. No other cares about it.

[ban fans]

This is exactly why you can't trust this type of stuff. Can you imagine if a reputable company like "Consumer Reports" did this sort of thing? "Well, this Bose stereo with a full spectrum graphic equalizer doesn't sound as good as the JVC single speaker boom box we got from Walmart because we aren't allowed to adjust the sound settings on either unit . That wouldn't be FAIR to compare the systems that way."
Give me a break!
And the sad thing, we on this forum get this sort of information. Other people are looking at those videos and taking them as fact. Very lame, guys. Very lame.

[Jandre02]

If people are complaining that the PS3 version is "washed out" and full-rgb fixes that, turn it on.

Hell might as well run them on a black and white TV if your not going to optimize settings. If the 360 cant do it, thats the WHOLE POINT OF COMPARISON. You see which version can get the best graphics, not tweak the settings to reach the point of your satisfaction

[Meus Renaissance]

I said they do this a few months ago. It's nonsense in all honesty. There is a feature there that improves the video quality of the PS3, I don't know why Sony made it optional, but it just goes to show you GT have the most unprofessional and stupid viewpoint.

They create COMPARISONS yet admit that its not actually representative of a real comparison. What nonsense is that? If both consoles had an option where it boosted the output, then do that, and compare it. Just because the 360 doesn't make it an option, it does it straight away, doesn't mean if you select the option for the PS3 that you are mis-balancing the comparison; you are actually making it more fair. And to make it more fair, they don't state this little fact in the video comparisons! What the...

Because people will watch this videos, and assume the 360 has better visuals for these games. What do GT expect to achieve from this? It's pathetic.

So GameSpot influencing their reviews to keep the money rolling in, and now GT intentionally leave PS3 videos to look worst than 360 counterparts. What next..honestly, there is no credibility left in this industry any longer.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

Sony should have a firmware update that turns on Full RGB and that other setting by default IMO

[Meus Renaissance]

I agree. That would force GT to re-do all their PS3 comparison videos as well.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

thats the best idea i`ve heard in a while.

seriously they need to turn it on by default.

bubble.

@meus

it`s very pathetic,
but the GOOD NEW is, it`s all coming to a end.

[MrSwede]

I've heard some HDTV's can't handle Full RGB.

Edit: They created an "Unofficial RBG Full Range compatible tv list" thread over @ Playstation forums about it.

[Maddens Raiders]

afterall, we know which console is the most powerful, so why not "dumb it down" to meet the breakbox standards? SICKENING. We should've been looking at 360/Wii comparisons all along (if the Wii had any nex-gen games w/o stolen technology).

This is even further evidence corellating that fact.

[SL1M DADDY]

Now to put that GT link in the same folder as the Gamespot link... This folder is getting pretty hefty these days, what with all of the sites getting called to the carpet for months of BS articles and unwarranted Sony bashing.

Oh, the folder name... Recycle Bin.

[Blackmoses]

So I guess when they go and review a game on PC they will always use the minimum requirements for the said game in order to do their comparison!

No!!! They will have the computer fully tricked out in order for the game to look it's best, max settings all the way!
That's BS!!! They know it and now everybody else knows it.

That is just ridiculous they would do this. If both systems are set so that an optimal experience is enjoyed then an accurate comparison can be made. Simple!!!

Damn!!! Now freakin' Gamtrailers is on my Sh@% list.

[Meus Renaissance]

"We refused to press the "Racing Mode button" on our BMW and tested it at the default setting so we will be fair at the comparison, and yes the Toyota performed better as you can see.. "

This makes every video comparison from GT now invalid, irrelevant, or if anything, we should consider before viewing that the PS3's output would look better on our screens than it does on the monitor.

To me, this is a worst scandal than the GameSpot affair.

[xg-ei8ht]

I Totally agree, and will be contacting sony this week. So in a future firmware update it will be the default setting.

But guess what, GT probably won't upgrade.

Come on GT just admit, your 360 fangirls.

[Wicked Sick]

http://www.gametrailers.com...

lol @ the fanboys commenting teh video on that site.

[BWS1982]

I just started to watch the vid and just had to stop it 20 seconds in because it's just rediculous as you can see the PS3 version APPEARS inferior--but now with this admission of ignorance we know it's propaganda at best.

How blatantly ignorant is the logic that they dumb down one version so it fits more with the way the casual gamer will view it. Um, hey stupid, guess who views these comparisons- hardcore gamers. The dumbest part of this all is that the people they gear this crap tactic towards (casual joe schmoe's) won't even be looking up a comparison video, they buy the game as is and never think twice about it. The irony....

[Genki]

Yeah you do, otherwise you wouldn't use and abuse them as often as you have been.

You know what version owners of both will most likely choose? Their console of choice. Why? Familiarity with the controller, the OS, online capabilities, etc.

Anyone with half a brain does not need some lame comparison video to tell them what to buy. There were some pretty major discrepancies in the beginning, and even then it was only for a handful of titles. There's nary a difference between two games on the consoles now, so nitpicking about a slight difference in graphics won't matter much.

Fanboys generate hits. Fanboys stir things up so the normal folk wanna see what all the ruckus is about. That is exactly why they do it.

I support their reasoning behind the lack of RGB, as that makes sense, but regardless, I do think that their reason for the comparisons themselves are contrived.

[blacsheep]

nothin but conspiracy against ps3

EDIT: guess the disagrees from 360 fans how can you disagree when the evidence is in front of you? as a ps3 owner this is just further proof theres a conspiracy against ps3 but we ps3 owners are united and 2008 is going to be one helluva year

[diatom]

I had always wondered why the vids were always so washed out...

Pretty Lame; getting punished for ensuring compatability w/older TV's.

[Doctor Strange]

Well GT has just lost all credit for any future comparison videos. I didn't know handicapping one side was a fair way to do a comparison, I guess I learned something new today.

[Genki]

but did you read the reasoning behind it? Default settings for both systems. In theory, changing any sort of video or sound setting beyond the default would yield some sort of unfair advantage.

I still think they're full of crap, have contrived reasoning and more, but this is actually on the up and up.

Besides that, you shouldn't need GT to tell you which version of a game to get. Personally I'll go with whatever controller I'm more comfortable with. The disparity between games has nearly been eradicated as of late.

[millerlite]

Both systems should be optimized with the highest quality settings. That way, you can see what the limits of the system are. Let's face it, if someone's going to GT to see a comparison video, he/she would know how to optimize their settings.

[OmegaKulu]

The thing is... we are talking about high end tech here (as far as consoles go anyway), if you were given an advance options, you'll use it when you can.

Think about it this way: why would you run stereo sound when your TV got 5.1? But both PS3/360 have the default is set a stereo because maker want to fit the lower end of the user spectrum.

Comparing default settings might sounds just, but the 2 have clear different mindset on their video "default", while one provides advance setting, one don't. How can anyone say it is fair??

Best thing for them is to NOT make anymore of these stupid things and just enjoy the game.

[name]

I actually respect gametrailers for their..trailers(obviously), and their indivisual game reviews. Regardless, PS3 owners have long suspected them of doing this, only to be called fanboys making up excuses. And now they just admitted it. I swear, next time a PS3 owners says a site is bias you better believe 'em. They're probably right.

[Meus Renaissance]

Their motives are just, however, when these methods result in the PS3 versions looking noticeably worst, then obviously these methods need to be re-evaluated as the whole purpose of this is to give a "fair" impression of both platforms.

[Genki]

revealed this info in the first place. Much like how you would outline all of the finer details in a double blind test of WHATEVER, this should have been noted too.

I still think it's technically fair, but regardless...whoever picks a game based upon a difference that you would NEED a literal side by side comparison to BARELY notice is out of their mind...or a fanboy.

Anyway, they should have stated this when they started these. Now they've got egg on their face.

[Korosuke]

Are there HDTVs which don't support RGB full range.
IF there are, what happens when you output by full range on non-support full range.

[pwnsause]

you have a blank screen for a while, then it reverts back to its defult settings

[Korosuke]

Thanks, PWNSAUSE.
So some guys above say, sony should do this default by firmware update.
But it never happens?

bubble for you.

[name]

I don't think they did it just to make the PS3 version look worst. The problem is their logic is flawed. PS3 games are native HD. 360 games are upscaled. Obviously 360 games will look better in default settings than PS3. They BOTH should be shown in the settings they're SUPPOSED to be played in.

[Genki]

I like your point, but there isn't really a right and wrong on this issue.

It's a good idea to leave both systems at their default settings, but like you say it's also a good idea to view things as optimally as possible.

Either way, both outlooks provide a fair way of going about things.

Here's the best solution though: Have a poll.

They should poll their site visitors for a full week on whether to leave them at their default settings or have both consoles utilize their optimal settings.

[eyeballpauluk]

i actually dont think ive seen this rgb option, think Ill check tonight...

im running it with HDMI, so do i still need this turned on?

[Korosuke]

This option is for HDMI connection.

[khellendros1]

If they're doing this to inform people wouldn't they want to inform them that the PS3 version would look better with the RGB setting to full. By the way, that setting is set to limited for LCDs with contrasts lower than a 1000:1 ratio. Any TV with a contrast lower than that can't show various ranges of black. The full setting shows the full range of contrast which is why it looks better.

[eyeballpauluk]

ah, thanks...im sure mines is way higher than that, its a new samsung 1080p one...

so ill check the settings in ps3 tonight

[MikeGdaGod]

i know i did

[GodsHand]

Well they could have two comparisons, one with the Super white, and full rgb on, with all settings on the xbox version as well. Then another with default settings. But i guess they are to busy counting hits from the website.

[solar]

ok...ps3 and 360 owners are hardcore gamers correct? what hardcore gamer isnt gonna max the system settings to get the most outta their consoles graphically? what bs man. a slap in the face.

[Regret]

Sony's fault it's not default option.

[socsca]

Well, for anyone that's not a fanboy that actually makes sense (ffs, think people). But to abide the fanboys who I suspect are the majority of people crying about this crap... they could make TWO comparisons, one with default everything same cables bla bla bla and one with optimal settings so as to see which one looks better using everything available.
Its not like its hard work.

[solar]

GT has released a bunch of these "comparison" videos and have made no mention of system settings. one would assume it would be both consoles at max. well, after someone called GT out and made a stink, they are coming out with this crap? why didnt they inform us from the very first video? why dont they do 2 video comparisons with the ps3 maxed? its sh1ty journalism that appears to have some sorta hidden agenda...if this story is true....

[cosmos]

To not put both systems at their optimal performance level is the dumbest thing I've heard. As a guy who owns both systems I want to know first hand which system to buy for; by not having both systems at their best they essentially provide nothing to their viewers except videos that will always favor one system. Its irresponsible "journalism?".

[DeZimatoR]

"If we were to adjust the settings on the PS3 to make it look better then we'd be sacrificing the integrity of the video. It's not the other way around"

So if the PS3's 'default' settings made the games look better it would be fair?

What the hell?! The PS3 isn't a goodamn computer which requires you to buy new stuff to make it run better. Those 'improved settings' they talk about can be used by any PS3 owner.

This is BS, GT, you fail!

[Azurite]

Make only SD comparisons, it'd only be fair to all the SDTV and composite/rgb cable users.

[raerae28]

all ps3 owners keep your eyes open for the crap like this....

These are not the droids you are looking for!

[zonetrooper5]

Who cares really, just play your games people and stop worrying about crap like this.

[Vip3r]

*peter griffen*

Uhh Ohhhhh.

[VigorousApathy]

We already knew they were liars. Now thanks to their admission we also know they are bad at making excuses. It's a good thing they don't work for a shoe magazine, sandals would always score higher since they don't need to be laced up. They wouldn't be able to tie the laces since sandals don't have laces and that would be unfair.

[Expy]

GT is making up excuses to save themselves. Yes HDMI has copy protection, however you do NOT NEED TO CAPTURE THE MAIN SOURCE. They only need a pass-through or HDMI>Component converter box. Almost all HDMI input boxes can also output through other mediums such as component cabling and component cabling is not protected. So that's one way to capture two component signals even with FULL RBG turned on.

Set up the Playstation 3 HDMI output through a pass-through box or converter box and output from that box with component and then capture your video through the television's output medium. The copy-protection is a sad excuse it is easily bypassed.

Not using HDMI RBG Full Range because it is HDMI is a sad PR response. Just because the other system doesn't output HDMI by default that's no reason not to output HDMI on Playstation 3 which is it's main HD output . If that were the case and they didn't show/capture anything that didn't come default with the systems then they shouldn't capture XBOX 360 online multiplayer footage since GOLD service (online play) is not DEFAULT with the system, you have to buy membership.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Now on to the next thing to cry about Droids, just close your eyes and throw a dart.

"If you turn the PS3 slightly to the left and put a toothpick under the right side it makes the PS3 have more color on that rock, so this isn't a fair comparison." <--I'm sorry but that is whay they sound like to me when they cry and whine and they do more crying and whining than all the other fanboys combined.

[blacsheep]

your avatar says gamer you for dang sure AINT ONE SON!

read what this articles about and read your retarded reply,if this was the other way around and 360 wasnt being maximised in comparisons to ps3 your g-string (yes we all know you swing that way) would be in a twist

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

See what I mean about the crying :)

[LJWooly]

No, Jason 360, and your smug demeanour's p1ssing me off. couple that with the fact that you do, in fact, sound like a retard, you've gone and proven the "Droids" (btw, that's a very clever name, congrats) right.

I have a picture for you, I got it off the guy with two eggs on his face.
You'll laugh at it, i promise :)

[pswi60]

Jason, if it were the other way around you would be crying like a little b1tch all over the internet. You are in every ps3 thread saying something negative, and it would be nice if you would have an open mind instead of being brainwashed by ms and its conglomerate websites. i own a 360 and a ps3 and the GT comparison videos are just wrong, plain and simple. they took a setting and exploited it for the betterment of 360 fans, and now they are admitting they are biased, just like you, and you are just being a jerk about it

[khellendros1]

The setting doesn't make it look better it makes it look the way it's supposed to look. They just set it to the lowest common setting. They probably thought that most people that owned a HDTV at the time didn't have a high contrast ratio. That would be like them setting it to 1080p and making people reset to a lower resolution. I think it's great that they gave the option but they probably should have documented it better to let people know what it was.

[Escamotage]

I knew it.

My PS3 games never look that bad on my HDTV.

[hardcorehippiez]

...and ps3 fans have been saying this for a long time only to have screenshots pulled apart by 360fanatics saying that 360 has better graphics and calling ps3 owners cry babies etc. i've had a 360 and i have my ps3 at max settings and the ps3 easily beats the 360 on visuals.This now proves without doubt that what the ps3 fans have been saying all along is true.

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

BaLogna baloney,Once again the incompetent Gametrailer geeks strike again.

More like they are to lazy or ignorant to learn how to adjust their PS3 setting!
THis Machine is a full functional Home theater/gaming machine..thats why it has Bluray and all these amazing features.It cost me $600
Learn it NUFF SAID!!!
JUST BECAUSE the Fat aszs losers get free game systems and free games to review doesn't leave them to sit there and be lazy.
IF i worked my azs off for a 600 dollar PS3 DAmn sure im gonna learn how to set it up right!!!with full range RGB on!
I didn't get mine for free to review and act snobby and lazy about how to set it up while im looking at my 360 and pc at the same time my wii Flippin lazy social retarded geeks.

[Rice]

So GT isnt bias...

[Daz]

Yes it does make it look better, i just tryed everything when i first got my ps3 lol, playing with all the options it has.

But what people got to remeber it only changes colours not other things like textures e.t.c .
No more whased out games thought peopel have been saying.

[ravinash]

It won't improve the slow load times in Half life 2.

[ravinash]

Well the comparisons don't mean anything now.
The idea of these videos is to show what each console can do.
If you don't turn both machines up to their full potential then its an uneven fight.
Its a bit like a sword fight where one person has had one hand tied behind their back.

And if anyone on the site thinks that this is not effecting anything, I suggest they look at the comments people are making on their site. This is turning people away from the game/console....the way they are doing things is having a real effect on the sales of the games and the consoles.
If you want it balanced, make sure the games are playing to everything they can be or not at all.

[Myth]

"We create them so that people who own both systems can be a little more informed on which version to buy."

Then your not doing your job!

[CrazzyMan]

Here take a look.
http://super.gameshot.net/p...
http://super.gameshot.net/p...
Now, as you can see, DMC4 don`t have more bump and better textures, it`s just PS3 settings were OFF.

GT did LAME excuses.

[MetalProxy]

HUGE difference!!!

[emaddox84]

Technically, out the box the PS3's default output is 480i and stereo sound through the av cables. By their logic, maybe they should just go ahead and use that setting too.

[piter_neo]

Here you have images from GT comparison of DMC4:
http://i3.tinypic.com/7yqc5...
As you can easily see, video taken from PS3 has far worse quality, exactly compression is much bigger than x360 video.

[Leathersoup]

I have a question though... if they don't switch on the "advanced settings" for the PS3 why would they for the PC?

I'm pretty sure that most 3D PC games, when launched for the first time have a default resolution of 800x600 and the other settings are set to puke blurry. If they have no problems upping the detail etc on a PC game, why would they be adverse to changing the settings on a PS3?

Just a wee bit of hypocrisy running in the trenches of GT.

[bigshynepo]

So the PS3 can play better looking games but they dumb down the settings so it looks as bad as a 360?

[Wicked Sick]

It would have been OK if they had mentioned it in the video that the

PS3 version didnt run on maximum settings for best picture quality.

BUT they chose not to... so there is absolutely no excuse for this

so called "comparison".

Note that this video is on youtube and the likes. Those people who are going to watch it WILL think that the xbox 360 version looks better then the playstation 3 one.

"Seeing is believing"

Maybe they should check what the word "comparison" really means:

com·par·i·son
Pronunciation: kəm-'per-ə-sən, -'pa-rə-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French comparison, from Latin comparation-, comparatio, from comparare
Date: 14th century

1 : the act or process of comparing: as a : the representing of one thing or person as similar to or like another b : an examination of two or more items to establish similarities and dissimilarities <his faults seem minor by comparison>
2 : identity of features : SIMILARITY <several points of comparison between the two>
3 : the modification of an adjective or adverb to denote different levels of quality, quantity, or relation

[rushbd]

Wtf are they talking about?!?!? THey should create 480i videos for PS3 than

[Meus Renaissance]

The Administrator of the forums has provided a discussion thread. I've responded.

http://forums.gametrailers....

[ravinash]

Nice one, looks like you represented us well.

[soccerluv]

Nobody knows what they are talking about.

1. RGB Full should only be used if your TV supports it.(How many of you know if it supports it or not?)

2. After calibrating your settings, both RGB and Limited should look the same.

Try this: With your PS3 set to limited and Automatic, use AVIA or DVE and calibrate your brightness and contrast settings. After that, turn on RGB full. Yes, your picture to your eye may look better. Now force RGB in your DVD and Blue Ray video output settings and put your AVIA or DVE DVD back in your PS3 and run the same tests. You will see that your brightness setting are incorrect and that you are causing banding and crushing blacks. In other words, your brightness settings will be too low and you are losing shadow detail.

Now lets say your TV does support RGB, just do the same as above except
force your TV to output RGB Full and the PS3 to output RGB Full and you will see that your picture really has not changed after calibrating for both.

It is the same with the 360, Extended will cause banding and the crushing of blacks if your TV does not support the Full color spectrum. I have both systems and have calibrated them both on a TV that does support these modes and for ones that don't.

If some of you complain that I used a SD DVD for calibration, I have also used SONY Blue Ray tests and have come up with the same results.

You may use them too by pressing 7669 with your six axis controller on the menu screen of any Sony Pictures Blue Ray. Casino Royale or Spiderman 3 should work. Now you just have to figure out how to read the calibration tests.

These comparisons should be done with calibrated sets on both systems. Optimal settings mean jack unless they are both run on the same tv with calibrated settings.

[soccerluv]

Interesting how people disagree but have no reply as to why they disagree.

Please prove me wrong. I'm begging you.

[Martini]

Nice write up, too bad it won't penetrate the thick skulls of insecure fanboys who come on here to cry, b*tch and moan refusing any dose of a common sense. :)

[Jamaicangmr]

What a load of crap. If they had come out and said that they didnt know that they could've adjusted the RGB then fine accepted. However this didnt want to sacrafice there integrity crap is bull. How the hell do you think this looks on your integrity now that people know you purposly didnt do it?

[LJWooly]

Basically, the moral of the story is that there is still, despite the PS3 being out for over a year now, no-one who seems to be able to do a subjective comparison.

Personally, I find that sad.

Why don't we just settle for this:
PS3 fanboys can just have confidence in the fact that they can't trust any multiplatform game comparison anymore.
360 fanboys can continue to masturbate wildly over the fact that the PS3 version is washed out, unlike the far superior 360 version.

Then, everyone'll be happy, especially the 360 owners :)

[Marceles]

Originally Posted by GTRich
Hey guys, for the record, the RGB settings only matter if you are using HDMI.

"Our comparisons are NOT HDMI. HDMI signals cannot be recorded due to the copy-protection handshake."

...ok I don't get it. Are they not recording because copyright reasons or because they want to make it "fair"? This was like Sony's excuse of why they couldnt include rumble: Because it messes up the motion sensing or because of the lawsuit? lol...

[Bullseye]

know which version to buy? That's a no brainer.If it's multiplatform,then 360 version for sure,because it's usually as good as PS3 version,but more importantly, it's usually CHEAPER.

[SoulReaper]

Assassin Creed and Call of Duty 4 play wonderful on the PS3..I cant say the same about other ports like the Orange Box because it have a lot of problems..I am not surprise that it is not selling on the PS3 because no one wants a crap port..

Games on the 360 is not cheaper it cost the same.. Unless it been out for awhile..

[EasilyTheBest]

Your completely buggered now!
Ever time we see a comparison video or even picture the Sony fanboys are going to repeat this over and over and over.
The settings are wrong!
That means all those great multi platform games we have seen in the last year wasn't better on the Xbox360 after all.
This is amazing, the Sony fanboy protection force have really come up with a great well put together excuse. Well done guys.
It will still be RROD in almost every post but you will have this to deal with now aswell, "Where the hells The Mart!"
Oh and does anybody read anyone elses comments???
The same thing is said over and over again. Perhaps one or two words rearranged here and there.
Anyhows if it really does make you all feel better that your console of choice looks better so be it.. What happened to gameplay?
I've had a PS3 and a 360 at my house together and I really have to say theres just no difference. Graphically they are identical.
Put it this way, the PS3 in no way makes the 360 look like an Xbox 1.5.
And please no "WAIT till" come backs!!

[LJWooly]

Just remember, framerates still play an important factor in comparisons.

[SoulReaper]

I think that is the most stupidest reason..They need to show games in full RGB because all PS3 owners will use it..

They wanted to be fair?? They need to show both console to its fullest potential..

[NarsilianShard]

What if GT said they wanted default settings for PC games? Hmm let's play at 800x600 resolution with no AA or AF....

With the exception of little kids whose parents bought them consoles (and even then some of them are pretty smart) Gamers aren't stupid.

[solidt12]

I really think that they should have both of the consoles set to there best settings and cables so US the consumers can really see what these two consoles are capable of.

[timmyp53]

Putting the same settings on for both consoles. The default settings aren't the same. Fix this GT or do we have to go elsewhere for comparisons?

[gunnar2906]

Microsoft has the unexclusive advertisment agreement with Viacom& According to it MS going to pay $500 million in next 5 years and use MTV tv and online resources as a part of Viacom conglomerate.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...

MTV owns gametrailers.com
http://www.prnewswire.com/c...

So gt comparison videos has nothing about reality. it is a bargain for Viacom - guaranteed half billion in a nearest future is good for everyone. So MS must be pleased not to run away from viacom.

[Eamon]

Well then,

To avoid this issue:

SONY should do a firmware update to make full RGB at default.

Then fangirls will stop crying and everyone would be happy.

[soccerluv]

Some TVs do not support RGB and plus Blue Ray uses a different colorspace.

[The Wood]

thx 4 the fud bust and bubbles for Meus Renaissance also for the top gear bmw M5 analogy. Hit the nail on the head.

the tables have turned charlie murphAY

[brocool]

Blasssphemmmmmy!

[WilliamRLBaker]

But the game doesn't look like that see if you turn off option A, and Turn on option B then toggle Option C, then wiggle option D, then Fiddle with option E then you get the desired result!!!!!

lol why didn't sony and the devs just make it that way to begin with? oh because i know the ps3's supposed ""future proof"" makes it so 99% of the users dont have equipment that even supports these settings and they have to go in and find these secret options just to get games to work half the time.

lol

[timmyp53]

GT knows that the default setting bettween the two consoles are different. Its not an advantage to any console to place them both on the same settings. So stop making it seem otherwise.

[Gina-get-u]

This is for those above who don't seem to understand how these comparison videos are created. GT does not film the screen of a TV with a camera while the console is playing. Instead, the video stream from each console is output directly into the video authoring hardware and saved to a harddrive for editing. When you watch the video on your PC monitor or TV, your are watching the same raw video feed that the capture card received directly from the console. If any adjustment to the picture settings need to be done, they would have to be done at the console output level, not on a tv screen being filmed by a camera.

Even if they are able to tweak the PS3's video so that it looks perfect on GT's office monitors as they capture and edit the video, that still won't guarantee that a uniformly optimum picture will be displayed across all TV's and monitors when viewers play the video at home because different displays will require different levels of adjustment of the same signal to achieve the best picture. That means there will always be somebody complaining that the settings don't look right on his TV.

[m9105826]

That's like saying "Well, Joe can run faster than Billy, but for the sake of the competition, we'll have Joe running alongside Billy so that he doesn't feel bad..."

Seriously, if the PS3 HAS the capability to pump out a nicer picture, why not use it? It's comparing the best the 360 has to the sup-par of PS3 settings.

BTW, Full RGB makes a HUGE difference on my TV.

[Jordahn]

Exactly. When I demo my A/V set up to guests, I don't say...

"Oh, wait. You have a 480i television. Let me dumb things down for you because this is what you'll be experiencing at your own home."

Instead, I show them what my equipment can do because that is what they are wanting to see what it can do. If you want to see what the PS3 can do, then it must be shown what the PS3 can do. It cannot be anymore truthful than that.

[InYourMom]

the Sony fanboys are good at is making excuses!

From someone who owns both systems, the comparisons online are usually true to fact.. Cry about it all you want PS3 babies, the multiplatform games with the exception of a couple look and play worse on the PS3(washed out, framerates, etc)

Go b!tch at Sony for making the default configuration what it is. I'm still unsure why they did that in the first place but there must be a good reason.

Wait beyond on the Excusestation!

@82.1 - What's that I hear?? Yup, more excuses.. Guess what, I've never had to wait on my 360 it has never had a problem.

[SoulReaper]

I have both system, but I'm going to keep it real and be stright forward, and get my honest opinion out there....The 360 suffer from reliability issues..A lot of people jump in from the start will have some sort of problems with the 360, and having it replaced 10 times in one year..Who do you think is doing the most waiting?? PS3 have the games this year and devlopers is getting used to programming the hardware..Last year the PS3 suffer from poor ports..but why bring up the past?? you know its going to change..

The RROD news will always be there because its still killing a lot of 360 till this day..It wont go away until microsoft fix the problem..

[tk]

They don't turn off the RRoD setting on the XB360 either. So the comparisons never shows the end - only the first two chapters - because by then the XB360 would have gone into RRoD.

Seriously...

Busted. No excuse. They were dishonest... They were caught out... And now... they will play the price. Their reputation is down the tubes. GT... your dishonesty caught up with you. Own up. Fix it. Or better still. Just get out.

[Eamon]

I think the GT staff have enough of a life to not care about what people think. As long as you click the link to their site or you visit their site they get the hits so they win.

Simple.

[Jordahn]

...when you use two different HDTV's of different resolutions to compare the graphical outputs of the two different consoles. As a gamer, one of the reason why I'd buy a specific console is for its features. So since the PS3 has certain features that can be exploited for the sake the of the gamer, YOU EXPLOITED it because that's part of what you are paying for when you buy that console. If a console can do it, why hide it from the public? That's dishonesty, that's "sacrificing the integrity of the video" when comparing the graphical outputs of the two different consoles.

[JBaby343]

So this really shouldn't even matter except as "yep I thought so." For comparisons I really only trust people who have played it because the sites just seem to biased. I would like to think it went both ways but seriously we all know it always went against the PS3 and they seriously downplayed some great games. On the other side I played several 360 games where I thought "well that definitely wasn't 9.3/10." Not that it was bad but just too often didn't justify the scores it got. It's sad and just dishonest and this just proves it more. Stay away from these sites and just go by the players.

[PSWe60]

The plot thickens...

[Eamon]

The problem is

Whether or not you trust these sites WILL NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF YOU STILL VISIT THEM.

PEOPLE! Please get this message in your heads.

If you really want to go along with your feelings then don't go on their site.

Remember, if you visit their site, they get the hits SO THEY WIN.

[SoulReaper]

Its funny though all this time the PS3 probably looked better..

[Eamon]

Actually, no but it would improve a lot.

Most of the times it would look the same as the 360 version but other times it would look a tiny bit worse or a tiny bit better.

Edit: @PoetTree (the comment under this post): Um, I think people wouldn't be bothered to read that 700 word essay of yours. Not that I am insulting you but... lol

[PoetTree]

.... is that these comparisons are made to show how *most* people, out of the box, are going to be able to play the game(s). If these specialized settings that the PS3 can be altered to are only applicable through HDMI and a limited number of HDTVs, which are not yet nearly the standard in households, then it would actually show a Sony bias to demonstrate the game in a way that only some small (minority) fraction of PS3 owners have the ability to see -- and which has more to do with the "extra" equipment you may have purchased than how the game itself natively looks.

The thing about the XBox version is that it will look that good on ANY television, period, in terms of the color/shading quality. That's just the way the game looks on XBox at its native level. To achieve a similar quality on the PS3 at this point, though I do believe that'll change down the road, you've got to have a special cable with a select type of HDTV -- and even then, with the altered hardware settings of the system itself & the specialized equipment needed to take advantage of it, you're only getting a color depth & quality that appears to be "as good" (not better) as the XBox 360 version displays natively on even a standard television.

Again, we're not talking about resolution here or framerate or texture quality or "jaggies" (which most multi-platform PS3 games have to a far greater degree, due to the lack of native anti-aliasing in the RSX graphics chip). We're simply talking about color depth & richness, and settings which do or do not alter *that* aspect of the imagery. And I think the point here is that these comparisons show that, at this point in each system's evolution, unless you are one of the comparative few who have HDMI *and* the kind of HDTV that can support the PS3's full-RGB settings... you're not going to be getting the same level of color depth & richness as you will on a game's XBox 360 counterpart -- regardless of the kind of television you're playing on.

I believe that's why GameTrailers, and rightfully so, in my opinion, leaves the settings unaltered. Because changing them for the PS3 would actually skew the equality of the comparison. For instance, I play my games on an EDTV (Enhanced Definition Television). My maximum resolution on this TV is 1080i. But the problem with that is that the set is only a 4:3 ratio, which makes 1080i looked stretched & weird. So, 480p is what I play all my games at. And frankly, they look great at that definition!

But if I were to plug a PS3 and an XBox 360 side-by-side into this TV & play the same game, what the GameTrailers comparison videos are showing me... is that the XBox 360 version WILL look superior on *my* television. Period. End of story. Because I don't have the "expensive" specialized equipment to take advantage of the PS3's full-range RGB settings -- which, even still, would only bring the color quality up to the level that the 360's is *already* at.

And so, how are they biased???

But of course, buying the right equipment and changing the PS3's hardware settings to match the native color quality of the current 360 generation of games doesn't address the almost unilateral superiority in framerate, texture quality, anti-aliasing and screen-tearing that muli-platform games currently exhibit on Microsoft's machine.

People, Sony has been VERY good to the gaming industry & will continue to be so. There is no bias against them. There is no conspiracy. Microsoft is not bribing publication-after-publication to skew the results of their comparisons. The XBox 360 is just a very good, very powerful gaming machine that is more adept at taking advantage of "today's" technology than the PS3 will ever be.

Now, "tomorrow's" technology? That's another story.

But the fact remains that Microsoft rushed the next generation to arrive, and Sony wasn't ready. In fact, had MS not made the jump & forced the issue, I bet we wouldn't have seen the PS3 released until November of *this* year. 'Cause let's remember, the PS2 is still going strong! If Microsoft hadn't pushed the envelope and paid ATI a BUNCH of money to create a specialized graphics card that was well ahead of its time, then in terms of console gaming, "last-gen" would still be the dominant platform.

But they did, and it isn't. And despite all the hoopla, what we have are two fairly equivalent machines (with the PS3 having a higher ceiling, which we likely won't see it starting to scratch for the next 2-3 years, at least); only, the XBox is easier to program for, has superior "on-tap" power and is ready-made for the current technology standard.

And so, I don't buy the bull that GameTrailers is being biased by demonstrating a comparison between how the two systems natively run the same game. Because this isn't about how good you can make a game possibly look through the purchase of additional equipment. I want to know how good it's going to look on *my* television. And right now, games look better on *my* (and most people's) television... on an XBox 360....

-- because the PS3's internal hardware settings for color aren't even applicable to the technology at hand.

So, I appreciate them for showing "unbiased" comparisons of these games.

Now, carry on with what you were doing.

[shysun]

Thats just BS, so from now on they should show off all games on SDTVs, because HDTVs aren't common in house holds yet? Is that what you're saying? If they are going to use HDTVs to show off the game then optimize it. I bet you the Crysis videos aren't on default. Most PCgamers(including me) can't run Crysis like that, but they show us the High end optimized Videos anyway...you know, how the game was meant to look. They should do the same for PS3.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

on that.

"to show how *most* people, out of the box"

ps3 does full RGB out of the box(if you wanta get technical).

and

also if you believe that, they should do them on SDTVs then, cause thats what most people play ps3/360 on.

[The Wood]

what a waste of typing. You just sound like the mart et el. GT got found out thats it, just leave it at that. No need to write a thesis on it. the damage has been done. Lastly FYI GT is not for casual gamers noob. Check out its forums.

[andron]

I have played both, and these "comparisons" are more misleading than true.

But if you want to believe GT rather than finding out for yourself...

[shysun]

I've been saying that my HDTV and PS3 games look better than their comparisons since day one, and now I know why! Shame one them! :(

There's no excuse for not making EVERY console game look it's best. They didn't use the lowest end PC to show off Crysis, so why show off the "low end" PS3 or 360 ? WEAKSUACE

[PoetTree]

There is no low-end or high-end PS3. There's simply *the* PS3, and what it does or doesn't do. The difference between this and Crysis is that on PC you can actually upgrade your hardware to meet a game's requirements. Your hardware for PC gaming is a fluid situation. That's just not the case on a console gaming system, with the lone exception of Nintendo's "Ram Chip" for the N64 several years back.

GameTrailers is demonstrating how the PS3 natively runs the game WITHOUT additional hardware purchases that have nothing to do with the system itself. Yeah, there's an internal setting to make the color-depth look "as good" as the XBox 360 version -- but *only* with an additionally purchased HDMI cable AND a specialized HDTV that has the option for it. And both of those things have nothing to do with how the PS3 'itself' actually runs the game.

(Which is why your comparison between it and a hardware-upgradable PC is moot.)

The point is, on the PS3, in order to get the same level of color quality that you'll get on ANY television from the XBox 360 version of the game, you must purchase an extra cable AND a whole other friggin' television to accommodate it. And that's only to get the color-depth to look "as good" as the XBox version looks on ANY television right out of the box.

Do you really think it's biased for GameTrailers to simply compare the "systems", rather than the equipment the systems are connected to? Because that's what they're doing. They are comparing the XBox 360 with the PS3. They are *not* comparing the output devices through which those systems are being displayed.

They're saying:

"If you connect these systems up side-by-side, this is how the games look in comparison."

It's not their job to say:

"If you connect these systems up side-by-side, this is how the games look in comparison. BUT... if you were to purchase several thousands of dollars worth of additional equipment, then there's a setting inside the PS3 which will make the color (and the color alone) look 'as good' as the XBox version does on ANY television. Enjoy!"

(And really, would that make the PS3 sound more impressive... or not?)

(I'm thinking, "not".)

[shysun]

There is a difference when you turn the settings on or off. On my TV it's definitely for the better. You can talk untill you face is as blue as a damn smurf, but I own a PS3 and if you turn off the settings it doesn't show the true potential of the game.

from now on when they review a 360 game they better continue to use the old 360, no HDMI, or any of the new live updates! "rolls eyes"

It's BS you can spin it how ever you want, My PS3 games look better than their videos and they just admitted to it.

[DaEnforcer]

LOL they just admitted they make unfair comparisons

[darkside]

if they are not going to do it right why trust them!!!

[GITPWNED]

"If we were to adjust the settings on the PS3 to make it look better then we'd be sacrificing the integrity of the video. It's not the other way around."

----OWNED.

[kornbeaner]

you need to learn how to read between the lines better.

Now tell Bill to relax on you a little your eyes are about to pop out your head.

[The_Engineer]

we won't take our Dodge Viper past 5th gear because our competitor only has 5 gears. Shifting into 6th would sacrifice the integrity of the race.

that sounds almost as stupid as GT and you for agreeing with them.

[kornbeaner]

1. Announce all the cables and setting used for the compression.

Ex. PS3 HDMI, Default settings @ resolution. X360 HDMI, Default settings @ resolution. OR PS3 Component cables @ resolution. X360 Component cables @ Resolution.

Better yet they claim that it's not for the fanboys, then just label the videos A. and B.

And as far as doing an out the box test which is complete BS, last time I checked both the 360 and PS3 shipped with a composite cable, if your really gonna do an out the box test with the lowest common factor just do comparisons with the lonely yellow plug. Then nobody can complain.

Stupid excuse.

[Xanatos]

What are these settings? I had no idea they improve the colors or what not.

[Xbox is the BEST]

my room mate turns on the RGB on his POS#3 and the 360 still looks better. He uses my HDMI cable and I use the Component guess what the 360 still looks better. Anyone who has both and is not a fanboy will tell you 360 has better graphics period.
PLAY B3HIND

Cloverfield 1/18/08

[kornbeaner]

your "UNBIAS" comment says it all.

[undacovabrothe]

I find it hard to believe that the ps3 and the 360 use the same cables also I only way your 360 has a hdmi output if it is an elite so ur most likely lying.

[BestGamerAlive]

stop lying i put uncharted up against ur gaers of war and uncharted blew it out the water i mean it destroyed 360 is dead so just stop hating on my sh^t its the best by the way look on the back of any hd dvd and show me where it say uncompessed sound since u know so much it cant be done hd sucks and 360 sucks thats why there both dead R.I.P 2005-2008 PLAY BEYOND and stop addind on BEYOND ha ha ha ha

[anonymous]

If a video review site didn't calibrate their displays for *EACH* source before reviewing DVDs, HD-DVDs, Blurays, etc they would be laughed out of town.

Hey maybe they dont change the settings on the TVs they buy from the store too... cause Joe six pack would *NEVER* adjust the settings on his TV!

[Keyser]

I notice when I read reviews on Cnet they max out the settings to see how it performs. Default and out the box is great but you tweak it to fit your needs. If you're going to do a comparison you want each source to be running at full speed. You also want to say that the settings are maxed out.

They do not do these comparisons for little Johnny asking his mom to by him Parappa the Rappa. They do it for people scouring the web looking to see which platform they should buy the game on or which system is playing the game the best.

Gametrailers is now taken with a grain of salt like everything on the net.

[DJ]

With both consoles outputting in RGB Full, almost every multiplatform title looks identical. Gametrailers tries to prove otherwise.

[aiphanes]

You have to set up the PS3 to it optimal settings on the TV and sound system you are using for the best comparison. The PS3 is Tweakable in video and sound settings...much more than the Xbox 360.

Can we say 24 fps, deepcolor, Full RGB support...

[The_Engineer]

and this proves it, is this the SD or HD generation?? It's the HD console generation so why would they test in last gen conditions??

idiots

[Jrome]

1) They should put both systems at the best settings for the best quality.

2) The casual gamer thing doesn't really apply...because how many casual gamers do you know that actually go onto game sites to watch a comparison? ZERO

3) I have both systems..and I want to see the games AT THEIR BEST on each system...so I know which one is REALLLY BETTER...running at standard settings shows me nothing. (once again the casual gamer doesn't apply here...because they are not searching the net...they are just buying the game for whichever they want)

[HarryEtTubMan]

Its pretty obvious from the Assassins Creed review. The game DEFINATELY doesnt look like that washed out JOKE they showed. Its Hilarious.

[TheMART]

More Sony Defence Force junk? JEES

[ErcsYou]

whatever... go back to sitting in the corner crying about the @ss whoopin your beloved 3fixme is going to get in 2008.. as ive always said " GT is crap" and most of their comparisons are lies because when i get home and compare them myself..the PS3 usually wins(except for fear) .. everything looks much sharper with a better draw distance.... its time for gamers to start making decisions for themselves

[hotshot127]

sony defense force? gametrailers said this.lol. were just proving that were right.
you're pathectic and now you're post arent even stupid, there just post that try to annoy people but they have no merit. you are a complete idiot.

along with bladestar and most the of the other 360 fanboys on this site that seem to be proven wrong all the time.

and the funny thing that im starting to notice about you 360 fanboys is that you guys have some serious insecurities........lol.

remember that pm you sent me mart?lol and how you TRIED to get personal with me? lol hahaha, some other 360 fanboy did the same and sometimes i wonder about you guys well being. you'll need help.....lol. im really laughing pretty hard right now thinking about it.

[Bastard 360]

Your a fukin clown d!ckface hey how long have u played your 360 for recently any games out how about no there's not and yea you can't play your 360 because it's been at MS repaor shop for 3 weeks because it's the 7 time you've had it replaced lol and you don't want to admit it, also the 360 install base is really something like 10M as they usually just give a new console out when one brakes rather thann fix it ; and they count that as another unit sold, dirty bast!rds

[TwissT]

Wow... just wow, I am totally speechless, well I still trust GT's reviews they do seem straight forward.

[Lucreto]

They are going to have to put a disclaimer on it now saying they are both on component.

Anyway do you think they will change reviews after when Home is released? My reasoning is they added points for achievements and took the PS3 for not having any at the moment so they should change it for the trophies

[wangdiddy82]

and when i put my ps3 on full RGB every thing looked more colorful.. Darker colors and more contrast.. GT sounds like a bunch of morons for not adjusting there system settings to the best for both console. I think everyone in hear would go injust there system to make there game look better on there tv if they can...

To some of the dumb a$$es above.. Resistance has a way better single player campiagne than cod4. But cod4 owns anything online in the fps catorgory. Both great games.. Dont hate because you have halo 3 which sucks monster balls compared to any fps game out there except solider of futune.. lol.. Halo 3 is a prime example of a game that stole from you.. Best selling game of 2007 and one of the crappiest games of 2007..

[Xbox is the BEST]

Come on Sony fanboys Believe. Suckers

[mullet]

That I don't even understand what it is you're trying to say anymore. The only solution I could think of right now is reading your laughable user name before I read your posts and then it all starts to make sense.

[MetalProxy]

Agreed Mullet!! That guy is worthless. Have fun choke'n on your box.

[Xbox is the BEST]

at these 2 Sony fanboys resorting to kiddie tatics. Reality is even with the RGB on, the 360 still looks better than POS3. Believe in the HYPE Liar, R&C, Lesbian Sword, Unwanted, Warduck wack games. All your best games I can play on my system.
PLAY B3HIND

[ben806]

i think GT has a point if you are going to be doing a fair test between two units and you are testing for everyday users then the default settings for both consoles should be used.
what people should not use the results for is shouting that the ps3 is broken because yes it can do better with a custom set up.

[kevin1122]

my only complaint with this is that my picture never looks as bad as gametrailers and im running my ps3 thru component. Also, ive said this from the beginning. These comparisons dont do the 360 or the ps3 justice, they both look like crap on these comparisons.

[Eric1970]

this is a bad position to take. They should look to leverage the power of each console and have each device set to the best configuration.

As they state "We create them so that people who own both systems can be a little more informed on which version to buy" Well, if I have the 360 or PS3, wouldn't I want to set it for the ebst possible output. hello!

[power of Green]

LOL Sony fanboys trying to convince everybody that the 360 wins in multi platform battles are based from GT lol.

What about the reviewers and all the other comparison sources. lol Nice try not fooling reviewers or anybody else other than Sony fanboys for that matter.

What exactly is the Sony defence force trying to prove, that Game Trailers video's cause less texture, dull colors, poor bump mapping and frame rate problems? and that reviwers use GT video's to make comparisons and score games?.

[Lifendz]

to show that it's not so far fetched to assume something weird is going on. Just take your Xbox love googles off for a second at look at this from a gamers perspective: they don't run the PS3 on optimal settings when I'm sure they have a TV to do so. Yes the feature is default to limited but should that be a strike against Sony? If you're knowledgable enough to opt for an HDtv and an HDMI cord, then surely you're going to know to turn this setting to full.

On the otherhand, if you own an older TV and don't know what HDMI is, then you're probably not going to know about this feature at all and if it were set to FUll as the default you'd hook up your PS3 to your tv and wonder why it looks so crappy.

As far as reviewers, well don't get me started. Gamespot has lost all credibility with their recent controversies and the fact that they are the only major site to not have a single AAA exclusive game for PS3.

[Hapimeses]

I was always unimpressed with the GT comparison videos because they looked nothing like the images I enjoyed at home, but I sometimes assumed the 360 images were equally craply reproduced. I've read seemingly countless posts claiming 'PS3 is washed out and colourless!', and always thought they were wrong from my own experiences, even through the video evidence seemed to suggest otherwise. Now I know for certain why the videos were so bad (although I always suspected it, but couldn't believe a site such as GT could have so little professionalism).

Quite frankly, I'm a little stunned.

[wallace1000]

I love how many people in here are getting all worked up and getting very defensive, it is hilarious. Lots of you guys are funny without even knowing it :-P
Plus, at least if someone is getting worked up about stuff like this it shows that they don't have anything important in their life to worry about. Always a good thing :-)

[mustash2003]

really got me thinking. Why the hate? What did the Playstation 3 ever do wrong?
I am sick of gaming journalism in general now. I had always gone to Gamespot, IGN and Gametrailers, occasionally 1up and last year flipped it all on its head. The absolutly incredbile media bias against the Playstation 3 has cleary peaked its ugly head. What gives? Gamespot was very harsh when it came to reviews, even as going as far as saying things like "This game has too much variety". And then of course there was the Jeff Gerstman firing. It has now surfaced that Gametrailers, a site that I have visted for a very long time is not even doing the video comaprisons properly. It would appear that the people across last year and this calling these comparisons fake, not true and doctored is true

[wallace1000]

You also have to remember with any review no matter where it comes from you should take it with a pinch of salt because a lot of it can be personal opinion.

[Omicronn]

Wow, they are getting huge slack for this, and well deserved.

[mintaro]

heh, always knew something about those comparisons werent right.
they looked nothing caompared to what i've seen in person

[Whoooop]

so THAT'S why comparisons looked better in the power brick.. Guess it was just fraud..

poor bots

:)

[dfcm2003]

I don't own an 360 so I do not know. but if not, and its a factory setting to have it on, then Yes they are not comparing the two correct. If you have to turn on the 360's full RGB then its a fair comparison.

[Xbox is the BEST]

does not have RBG settings

[soccerluv]

Yes it does it's called Expanded or Extended.

[BloodySinner]

"As for using RGB or adjusting the white levels on the PS3, that completely defeats the point of these videos. We play both systems on default settings with the same cabling. If we were to adjust the settings on the PS3 to make it look better then we'd be sacrificing the integrity of the video. It's not the other way around."

That was EXACTLY what I mentioned not long ago when there was a YouTube video that got approved on this site claiming that the Xbox 360 and PS3 multiplatform games were on par when the video settings was adjusted. I was flamed and called an "idiot" (naturally, from the PS3 fanboys). You do NOT adjust the video settings or cabling when you are comparing a video which is running on different platforms. So everything is kept authentic.

Jesus Christ, even GameTrailers believes in this method. And some of you baboons are STILL in DENIAL.

EDIT: I found the video that was used for the story and was approved on this site. http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

[pswi60]

sinner,

how is changing a setting changing authenticity? one side of the video comes from the ps3, the other from the 360. all a gamer needs to see is the end result, what each system is capable of, plain and simple.

your bias has become more apparent as of late, my friend.

[THUNDERMARE]

If one day Sony decide to change RBG to full as default then, the whole argument about adjusting to make PS3 looks better will be void right? since another adjustment will make the picture looks worst....

[Hapimeses]

The more I thought on this, the more I found it to be a ridiculous situation, and a perfect example of poor journalism. So, feeling in an uncharacteristic verbose mood, I registered at GT and made my opinion known:

http://forums.gametrailers....

[Antiomo]

But quite honestly most of the multiplatform games do look more vibrant on the xbox 360.

I dont own a xbox but I do own a ps3, and I have plugged up a friends xbox to my projector vs the ps3 at optimal settings on the same projector.

I.e.
Games like stranglehold ( game sucks btw), Dirt, and r6v look more vibrant color wise. Even unreal tournament 3 does not look as vibrant as the pc version.

But I think it is the developers fault, because games like motorstorm, drakes fortune, and ratchet demonstrate that ps3 can be just as vibrant if not more than the xbox games i've seen.

Point is forget about all this mumbo jumbo comparisons because the core game is essnetially the same in multiplatform games.

Xbox fans can have their moment in saying their multplatform games are supurior, but the ps3 shows a brighter future in TRUE exclusive games.

[Antiomo]

xbox fans your precious halo 3 has such a bland color palate for a top tier title. Not only did the resolution hurt, but the colors just felt bland.

[PoetTree]

Just Bravo....

[Figboy]

when i got my HDTV, the *FIRST FRICKING THING I DID, was spend about 30 minutes or so *TWEAKING the goddamn settings on the thing so my Playstation 3 would look it's best.

before that, i tweaked the hell out of the Playstation 3 *ITSELF, for the same reasons.

no wonder my version of games like Assassin's Creed didn't look like the video comparison these retards made. i actually *WANT my Playstation 3 games to look their best. unlike the idiots at game trailers.

their reasoning is flawed beyond meaning, and i'm never downloading any videos from their site again. period.

they claim they are trying to be *FAIR?? how the hell is handi-capping the Playstation 3's abilities being *FAIR??

in fact, how are comparison videos *NOT for the fanboys?

chances are, a Playstation 3 owner will buy the Playstation 3 version of the game. an X Box 360 owner will buy the X Box 360 version of the game.

a user who owns both will buy the version of the game that feels the most comfortable to them.

i think *BOTH versions of the games should be tweaked to present them at their best.

you've got to be a *FOOL if you think that default settings will work for *EVERY GAME.

i was playing Unreal Tournament 3 on default settings for about two weeks, until i adjusted the brightness settings (i now have the brightness set to 4, from the default of 7), the change in color, and picture quality was *DRASTIC, and the game looked so much *BETTER at the lower brightness setting (for my particular TV, and the way the settings were adjusted).

even Uncharted, which looked fantastic before, looked even *BETTER when i started playing around with the settings.

these "news outlets" need to finally let go of the past. the days of one stop, default is best for all days is over. sure, back in the NES, SNES, Genesis, and Playstation 1 and 2 era, it didn't matter what kind of TV you had, as they all did the same thing.

nowadays, however, with the many different brands of HDTVs, and their various capabilities, it's a *GIVEN that consumers will have to adjust their settings at *SOME point.

these guys at GT need to take off their *OWN fanboy tinted goggles, and represent the Playstation 3 *FULLY. instead of just *ASSUMING that every Playstation 3 owner out there has a 360 as well, they should take into the consideration the *FACT that there are some gamers that own just *ONE of the two next gen consoles, and with these half-@ssed video comparisons, i'm sure there are a lot of Playstation 3 fans that were feeling like they were getting short-changed on PS3 versions of games, when, if GT had actually, you know, *EDUCATED their readers on *ANY tip that could make their PS3 games look good, there'd be a lot of happy PS3 owners out there.

just a little blurb: "For Playstation 3 gamers looking to get the most out of their gaming experience on >insert PS3 title here<, turning on the Super White and RGB settings in the system menu nullifies any visual differences between the PS3 and 360 versions."

simple and to the point.

instead, they say, "well, *CLEARLY the 360 version looks better than the PS3," when the real difference is only a button press away, not a weakness in the hardware, which most folks assume when they see these videos.

game trailers is a joke, and is being removed from my bookmarks as i speak. they've lost all credibility with me over this stupidity.

[Foliage]

Sony was right all along. These clown reviewers do need manuals to do their jobs properly. In fact there are no requirements to become a game "reviewer".

Who claims to make a fair comparison between two versions, when they deliberately affect the results of their comparisons so they aren't a fair comparison? At least they get a lot of hits out of this.

[Bathyj]

Good point.

Review guides for all and maybe a quick lesson on why its good to adjust settings on audio/visual equiptment instead of goint with the factory defaults.

Who here has all their colour, contrast, brightness etc settings for their TV on 50. No one. Point proven.

[xenovis]

I would like for GT to address the attached zoomed image from the DMC4 comparison. If the textures are the same there shouldn't be more (video/possibly mpeg)compression artifacts period in this realtime engine rendered FMV between the two consoles. Secondly texture artifacts look completely different than the artifacts contained in the PS3 side of the image, it is obvious that the PS3 video was compressed higher on top of being captured without RGB=Full.

[aaron5829]

I doubt they even know there was such option. Once they found out, they refuse to change it. Ego anyone ? But anyway, who cares, I only have a PS3. I'll be getting the games i want on my ps3. Those comparisons wont affect me at all.

[Bathyj]

If you're going to compare two systems shouldn't both be at their BEST settings with the best cables not their default?

If the picture can be improved but you're not doing it then you're not giving a real comparison. Hell they probably use the Yellow, red, white RCA cables for the PS3 since they come DEFAULT out of the box. What a load of crap. Is there anyone in the games media that M$ influence doesn't extend to?

[CrizzleC24]

Way I see it is keep it even. If the settings are low on 360 then why give special treatment for the ps3? I thought Ps3 had amazing graphics anyway? If ps3 is supposedly such a power house then why is it so close to looking like what you call "toy story" graphics on the Xbox 360.

Those kids crying about Ps3 need to calm down and learn to play fair.
If you ps3 kids wanna get taken seriously, then they need to make sense.

"thats not fair! Give the ps3 more features than 360!! Sure, modify the video to make it look better on ps3. Hell, why not just play some cgi for ps3 while the ol' 360 actually does what it promises"

Yeah, that makes perfect sense...

Is there anybody out there? Idiots....

Just match settings high or low doesn't matter

The screens are identical no matter what.

Oh and please dont bring up killzone, thats just gay. I could do the same with about 4 games for the 360.

But hey this is just some "Xbot" right? What would I know about games?

http://www.n4g.com/gaming/N...

[Fux4Bux]

That's just as stupid as comparing them in 480i because that's the basic settings.

[FirstknighT]

So you have to tweak the settings on a ps3 to make it look as good as a 360??? HAHA, what a burn. I'm pretty sure a high percentage of ps3 owners don't even know how to do that.

[pswi60]

actually, us ps3 owners know enough to see what the various settings do. i suppose the computer you are using firstknight is the same as it was when it left the factory, and you have not tweaked it at all?

just a guess as you seem mystified by the concept of options/settings because the xbox only has 1 option, and thats to die "under warranty"...

[hadouken007]

they wanna see the PS3 fail so this is what they do, plain and simple! say what u want they handicaped us.

[hadouken007]

but i bet they upped the 3sh!tty setting.

[andron]

I never saw the point of these comparisons. There will always be differences since the hardware is different. And it it's nothing like seeing it live...

[leon76]

This GT site is only the point of the iceberg of the bashing campaign of the PS3... this is not a surprise for me!!! that's because NOW I WILL NEVER believe in this comparasion videos, because after buying the games the graphics didn't match with these stupid videos...one of the most scandalous was the orange box...I, like a stupid, believed in all these sh?ty sites (almost all were american sites) that talk about terrible framerate issues...and i saw a comparasion video in the level Water Hazard, that the sequence whith the hovercraft-like boat was terrible...but then I gave it an oppurtunity, like I did whith assassin's creed game (I must say to you I never have any freezing screen whith this game, contrary at what you all said about that), bought the game, and when i was playing water hazard, surprise, the game run perfectly not only here but in all parts of the game i've allready played, the graphics are awesome and i almost miss a spectacular game because of asshole people!!!
Screw you assholes!!!!!!F*ck you and your biased, paid of sites!!!!

[victorMaje]

What is the point of comparisons if you're not going to show the best settings available for both consoles, and how can you ever think of not mentioning they were in default settings? moreover, what is the point of having a better setting if you're not going to use it!!!

This is really unprofessional, and this is what GT should do with at least 1 or 2 games:

1 - Do a comparison with default settings (like they already do).

2 - Do another comparison with best settings selected.

3 - If need be, do 1 & 2 on both SD & HD TVs.

Yes, we'll end up with a lot of comparisons, but maybe necessary ones.

[moujahed]

Sony didnt make full RGB available because it only works if you have an HD television. Aswell as the Sniper White setting. The default settings are for people who have a reguale tube set, or just an LCD-TV.

There's no point in having the settings higher, causing your PS3 to use up more watts, and over exert itself, if your television doesnt support full RGB, or SniperWhite.

360 has it as default, including alot of things, which may contribute in the RROD.

Just my speculation..

OH KNOW I DIDNT SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT SONY, NOW IM A FANBOY!!!

GASP!

[THUNDERMARE]

So is that mean if next PS3 firmware update set RBG at full, then GT will turn in to limit just for integrity sake??

[Bullseye]

that both consoles should be set to the their best settings.Not being able to connect a PS3 via HDMI sort of defeats the whole comparison thing, doesn't it? I mean, many people believe HDMI gives a superior output compared to component, so it's only fair you should use HDMI for the PS3. If they can't use the best setting, then it's a pointless exercise IMO.

[mmj]

Gametrailers are correct to do their comparison in Limited RGB.

"So is that mean if next PS3 firmware update set RBG at full, then GT will turn in to limit just for integrity sake??"

This will never happen, because only a handful of TV's out there currently support Full RGB (it requires HDMI 1.3 compliant TV), setting Full RGB on a non compliant TV will result in black crush (loss of detail in dark areas).

If you have a TV which doesn't support HDMI1.3/Full RGB and you still think Full looks better than Limited, then what you need to do is go back to Limited and configure your TV's brightness/contrast correctly.

[Suki03]

I wonder how many gamers out there plays their PS3 with old style CRT.

[gambare]

I stopped to see any comments, forums, points of view or even comparisons from GT since some time ago, I mentioned that GT was biased but well... no one listening, GT is still good in their videos and just that.

and yes, they do this :

http://i242.photobucket.com...

[SlyGuy]

While they might be biased (esp with the GRID scandal - lol), RGB Limited actually looks a lot better on HDTVs.

I did some (read: too much) research and apparently RGB Full Crushes blacks (badly) on most HDTV's. While turning up the brightness might help, it makes the blacks look more grey.

I compared games such as uncharted, warhawk, ratchet and they all looked way better on my Bravia when RGB is set to Limited. Apparently RGB:Full is more for monitors.