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Microsoft Game Studios Head Reacts to D.I.C.E. Awards: Praises The Last of Us and Forza

Microsoft Game Studios Honcho Phil Spencer has always been quite fair when talking about the competition, and he shown the same attitude yesterday, when he commented on the results of the D.I.C.E. Awards, from which Naughty Dog's The Last of Us came out with a landslide victory made of ten top honors including Game of the Year, while sparing a word of praise for Forza 5 as well.

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Angels37853742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

But the last of us is highly overrated guys!!!!!!

Just because critics....developers...
and the heads of the company that I devote my life to say its a masterpiece doesn't mean its good!!!! im not crazy!!! It sucks!!!

The last of us sucks!!!!!

PLEASE!!!!! BEEEEELIIIEEEEVVVEEE MEEEEE!!!!

OT: the last of us is truly a masterpiece and I enjoyed every minute of it

For those who don't get the sarcasm......its pointing at those who discredit the last of us' s accomplishments (usually from the Microsoft side) with literally nothing to back it up. Its acclaim is universal and they should be commended.

hankmoody3742d ago

I'm borderline curious as to what the point of your point is.

darthv723742d ago

His point is to point out that there is no point in making points about anything.

Angels37853742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

You must not be familiar with n4g antics.......or sarcasm for that matter

Edit: Couldn't agree more dboy

And people read the first sentence and missed the sarcasm unlike you

Thatguy-3103742d ago

People say that the game is overrated and that only sony "drones" praise it like no tomorrow. The game is loved by both gamers and developers.

GribbleGrunger3742d ago

Yes but there's no need to draw attention to it. It's one thing 'responding' to people you disagree with, it's another bating comments you disagree with.

creatchee3742d ago

@dboyc310

"People say that the game is overrated and that only sony "drones" praise it like no tomorrow."

The thing is, nobody says that. The game has universal acclaim with critics and gamers alike. Angels is stirring a pot that doesn't exist.

Outside_ofthe_Box3742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

***"The thing is, nobody says that"***

Define "nobody." I do recall, during VGX especially, a lot of people saying TLOU was overrated and doesn't deserve GOTY and that GTAV was much more deserving of the honor.

MysticStrummer3742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

@creatchee - This is at least the second time you've said something that made me wonder if you even read what people say here. Yes, there are XB and Nintendo fanboys on here who do not fall into the "universal acclaim" category when talking about TLoU. They say it is overrated.

Edit - That's fine, by the way, but don't pretend it doesn't happen.

creatchee3742d ago

Okay fine, maybe some idiots call TLOU of us overrated or just a game for "drones", but is it really that prevalent to post as Angels did?

Skizelli3742d ago

Opinions do vary. My brother and I personally loved the game. The gameplay itself wasn't anything to write home about, but the character performances, the environments, and the story were all pretty great.

A friend of mine disagrees, however.

PudgeySan3741d ago

This comment made my morning haha, You my fellow friend are awesome.

PeaSFor3741d ago (Edited 3741d ago )

haters can hate all day long and whine about how Ellie dont go all "leeroy jenkins" when you play stealthy, it will never change the fact that i enjoyed the HELL out of the game.

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erathaol3742d ago

Wonder what Naughty Dogs trophy room looks like.

Uncharted 2 and Last of Us awards everywhere.

lol

Angels37853742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

They probably have a few rooms by now....and are getting a new one for their future projects :)

Don't forget uncharted 3 awards too!! Heck I think even the first won some.....

PoSTedUP3742d ago

*goes to open door*... ... ... "the door wont open, something is blocking it from the other side".

its not a room anymore, its a solid square block of trophys once considered to be a "room" or "space". XD

psman0123742d ago

@Angels - the first one was actually my favorite of the three! I think I beat that damn game at least 6 times...

SteamPowered3742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

Ok Angel,
Cant get the lid off your new meds?

dasbeer883742d ago

I'm still hesitant whether one should cuss the hell out of Phil Spencer or actually give him a pat on the back for saying something generous to his competitors.

Spurg3742d ago

He always say good thing about the competition...
People tend to think he is one of those Ms douche bags when he's not...you're highly mistaken.
People think he a douche since he announced the price for the console at E3...he wasn't the one responsible for the pricing....the higher up were.

He is gonna be one of the reason why Ms will pump out more exclusives.

B-radical3742d ago

Phil really is the best guy at MS he listen and talks to peeps on twitter and hes bringing some games along and giving updates

Syntax-Error3741d ago (Edited 3741d ago )

He didnt announce the price at E3, Mattrick did. Phil Harrison and Phil Spencer have always been the head honchos over there. He IS the higher up. Not only is he responsible for the pricing, he's also the one that defended it. With that being said, he's also a good guy. He has no problem giving credit where its due. He was the one that congratulated Sony on it's launch. He likes games...period. You're right, he will be the sole reason MS will make sure their exclusives are top notch.

Angeljuice3741d ago (Edited 3741d ago )

@dasbeer88
" give him a pat on the back for saying something generous to his competitors."

It's not like he could be very positive about anything Microsoft released for the 360 in 2013, so it's a case of "say something positive about Sony's titles and 3rd parties or say nothing at all."

Microsoft took another gap-year in terms of 360 development last year.

Spurg3741d ago

@Syntax-Error
Wrong...it was Phil Spencer that was on the stage when the price was announced.
http://www.gametrailers.com...

Phil is head of Ms game studios....the console price, specs and all that should be in other peoples hands....(I might be wrong)

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hankmoody3742d ago

I mean, it's just an opinion that people have. If they come on here crying that it's overrated, it's just that. An opinion. If it wins GOTY at DICE, does that necessarily mean that anyone who disagrees is wrong? No, not at all.

Now, if people are saying the game is overrated without playing it, then that's just ridiculous. Not to mention stupid.

I did get the sarcasm in your remark but why waste your time with all that? To rub it in the faces of those who aren't crazy about the game? I just think that in order to make N4G a better site as far as forums and comments go, this kind of response is what we need to cut back on and we can all just go the decent, mature route and not feed the trolls while acting like one ourselves.

Me? I think the game is great and worthy of contention for GOTY status but I find that it lacks any kind of replay value personally. Like I've said before, you give me a choice between GTA V and The Last of Us to take to a desert island and GTA V will win that decision out. The Last of Us might have the better story but as an overall package, GTA V wins out.

Then again, that's just my opinion.

shinrock3742d ago

I like how you think. Bub up 2 u.

thegreatklemba3742d ago

Well i personal think gta 5 sucked and that ending made me never want to touch the game again in my life and had such a bad time with the online i wanted to burn the game on a very large stick. The last of us i played at least 5 times over and still play the online from time time to time. I returned gta 5 after the 5th time my character got erased online.Trevor was the only saving grace for gta 5 that made it remotely interesting. I also think the sandbox game play is the freaking boring and the same since vice city and I've been playing gta games since the very first one. Vice city was the last very good gta game I could actually go back to and replay
then again, this is just my opinion

ThePope3742d ago

Im an Xbox fanboy and The Last of Us is the best game I've ever played.

cell9893742d ago

I know for a fact you are an xbox fan, so the honesty is well appreciated

ThePope3742d ago

I was at my buddies the other day and he has a PS4, and we were playing Madden. I have to be honest while the new controller is awesome, its too wide. it felt really funny in my hands, especially coming from the Xbox One controller which is like holding a scale model of a controller, its just a lot smaller (which I like)

Eonjay3742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

It was actually an xbox fanboy that told me about TLOU.

trywizardo3742d ago

angel3785 used confuse ray , critical hit

Sevir3742d ago

LMAOOOOOO!!!!! WIN COMMENT OF THE DAY!!!!

Pogmathoin3742d ago

Angel looking for attention and a bubble? A lot of things are said on this site, but most of us agree Tlou was awesome..... Idiots from both sides attack great games because its on the other system, but Tlou stood above this.... I think your just being insecure and are being a bad losing fanboy..... Move on....

Aghashie3742d ago

Is truly frustrating to notice that most people replaying to ur comment didn't actually read it.

Point and click generation :/

MikeGdaGod3742d ago

please believe me!!!

TLOU was great!!!

Vames3741d ago

Good game, and I have played. Still curious why fanboys rate it so highly, yet it only sold over 4 million copies. Every Sony exclusive is the same thing. It's like everyone be waiting on the game to hit PS+

brich2333741d ago

Internet sarcasm doesnt work.

Perjoss3741d ago

Sarcasm, the poor man's humour, I'll have nothing to do with this foolishness.

kopicha3741d ago

well all they like to make up is that just because they think simply because their game sold more = being a better than then the counterpart's camp. But the fact is Sony has more exclusives to offer and gamers have a choice when come down to exclusives. But on the other hand you really dont have much choice when come down to 360 exclusives. There are some exclusives I didnt buy on PS3 does not mean they are bad game in anyway. It is just simply because I do not fancy the game. Eg, I didnt get resistance 3, simply because I not a huge FPS fan. But I bought Halo not because I love FPS, but I have no other choice on the 360 than that. You simply have limited selection each year to choose from. And besides that it is all 3rd parties which is on both platform. It just cannot justify owning a 360. Does that make Halo a better game to me? No... neither it is a bad game but definitely it does not mean better than other games.

I think end of the day true gamers should try to accept things with open heart. That way you can truly enjoy more good games. Than fanboying which bring hate in you towards games that should not be overlook.

deafdani3741d ago (Edited 3741d ago )

I'm one of these people that thinks TLOU is overrated. That doesn't make me a Microsoft fanboy, it just makes me someone with an opinion. (I don't even have a Xbox anymore, whereas I'm on my third PS3 now, and I hope to be able to buy a PS4 sometime this year).

Also, me thinking it's overrated does not equate to me thinking it sucks. Far from it. TLOU is a damn good game, I just don't think it's the timeless masterpiece almost everybody make it out to be.

PudgeySan3741d ago

I think your dead wrong, and should be stoned for not knowing a great game when you see and that doesn't make an asshole, It's just my opinion.

deafdani3741d ago (Edited 3741d ago )

@PudgeySan: well, that escalated quickly.

Really now, are you serious? I already said in my post that TLOU is a "damn good game". I just don't think it will stand the test of time well, gameplay-wise.

Everything that the game did amazingly, it did it to serve the narrative. That is where it shines. But the gameplay, albeit well-polished, is absolutely nothing to write home about, and is, in fact, extremely limited and repetitive. There's very, very little depth to it.

On the other hand, I have a couple of people tell me that the experience changes a lot when you play in the harder difficulties, and admittedly, I played it only on normal mode. Maybe I should give it another go in the hardest difficulty. Yet I'm pretty sure that 99% of game critics out there that are lauding it as the best game ever made, only played it on normal.

xxShadow-Shockxx3741d ago

Halo is overrated, the last of us is a masterpiece. You must have not played it

deafdani3741d ago (Edited 3741d ago )

Funny how opinion works, doesn't it? You call Halo overrated, yet call Last of Us a masterpiece, as a matter of fact.

Yet both games have had stupidly high critical acclaim. So, what makes you the bearer of the absolute truth to agree with the consensus in one game, and dismiss the consensus on another?

You are completely within your rights to feel like Halo is overrated. But then again, so do I on thinking TLOU is overrated, as well.

The fact I don't think as fondly of one game as you do, doesn't mean I haven't played it. Trust me, I have, and I actually loved the narrative, and most of all, the ending.

But I have just as much right to have an opinion of something as you do.

xxShadow-Shockxx3741d ago

The fact that there's not 30 games for the last of us, along with movies, tv shows and every thing else. The only reason halo is talked about so much is because that's their flagship title, sony has a bunch of flagship titles

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GUTZnPAPERCUTZ3742d ago

Im want to say this real quick to all the Forza 5 haters. Does Forza 5 look bad? I have the game and I think it looks wonderful! I don't care if they dumbed down the lighting and crowd from the E3 model, as the game still looks great and runs perfect on my Xbox and never dips below 60fps. I know the PS4 is more powerful (Duh) but Im tired of people acting like the X1 can't run games at 1080p 60fps, hell, even the WiiU has games at those specs, it just the X1 can't handle the same graphics of PS4 games at the same specs so please... stop saying the X1 CAN'T do 1080p and 60fps, because it can and we all know it can. :)

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ3742d ago

I do, as an open minded Xbox Owner (soon to be PS4 as well) it's hard to have the will power to be on this site most of the time :/ But I like it because of the quick news.

-Foxtrot3742d ago

Forza 5 dosen't look bad, it's just a major downgrade from Forza 4 and I'm stumped to why it's getting so much praise.

It's showing me as a gamer that reviewers seem to either be oblivious to this or they are unfairly letting it slide for just this game.

The cars are always an improvement but everything else just seems...meh

MightyNoX3742d ago

You hit the nail on the head. Why do you think we see all these 'acceptable' jokes? When you have no other bullets in the chamber, you'll hype acceptable till the cows come home. We'll be heating about Forza 5 all up to 2017.

Back on topic: congrats, Naughty Dog.

DragonKnight3742d ago

As usual, Jim Sterling has the answer to your question.

http://www.escapistmagazine...

Which also ties nicely into his rhymedown about the Xbox One here.

http://www.escapistmagazine...

Skip to 2:30 and just laugh.

cell9893742d ago

sure it can, if youre porting last gen graphic techniques.

denero13742d ago

it's okay the only console i've ever owned is a ps2,ps3 and soon ps4 and the fanboyism here from sony fans gets me facepalming sometimes

I didn't forget last gen when xbox 360 users would rag on ps3 users about resolution or framerates it's just to repeatly have to hear about one consoles lack of something is sooo tiresome

it's like me getting a extra cookie and constantly harassing the other kid for only getting one

XanderZane3741d ago

Forza 5 is just awesome. I have the Drivatar features. True, the game is lacking in features do to the game being rushed out as a launch title, but what's here is still very good. I can only image what Forza 6 & Forza Horizons 2 is going to like. Pretty much all the games coming out after the E3 will be 1080p native 30fps/60fps.

xxShadow-Shockxx3741d ago

It's not that the xbox can't, it can on the less resourced games like racers, fighters, but when it comes to the bigger games it can't like tomb raider, and cod. The ps4 can run 98% of games at it. Btw I have both systems and they are both awesome, the ps4 performs and looks better but that's obvious with the power difference. If your getting both then that's awesome.

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iceman13463742d ago

you know what i just realized ?! TLOU is officially the most well recieved game of all time by critics

XanderZane3741d ago

That would probably be Mario Galaxy & Mario Galaxy 2.

PrinceOfAllSaiyans3742d ago

Yep TLOU is the most awarded game in video gaming history. I really hope ND releases a The Last of Us GOTY edition for PS4 with Left Behind dlc.

isa_scout3742d ago

You just made my mouth water...
That's the only regret I have about selling my PS3 to buy my PS4. Don't get me wrong I LOVE MY PS4, but there's a sad feeling of dread knowing that the 14th is inching closer and I am going to be "Left Behind".

deadfrag3742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

Dont sell the ps3!Problem solve!

LKHGFDSA3742d ago

yeah I think it'd be great to have a Tomb Raider style port (less the price tag) with Dualshock 4 features.

Alot of people say it was good enough on PS3, but I think it deserves an enhanced version with no jaggies etc.

Gore-Content3742d ago

What else are they gonna do? Their reputation has been down the toilet recently. This is a great opportunity to gain back some respect.

DragonKnight3742d ago

Not really. People will still see MS as scummy and only giving praise because it's proper not because they mean it.

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It's Time To Stop Giving Xbox Boss Phil Spencer A Pass

Under his leadership, many have lost their jobs and fewer games have made it out the door.

purple1014h ago

people should call for his resignation, he has literally flushed xbox down the toilet.
another 3 studios closed today, thats it now, get out

Tody_ZA3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Well purple101 you'd have to convince Observer and the other Xbox faithful that these studio closures and the fallout from the acquisitions is a bad thing and a sign of what's to come, and I don't think you're going to do that.

Nobody has managed that feat.

Redgrave2h ago

Obscure and Zeref have been summoned to the floor to give their account of these proceedings.

VenomUK2h ago

I 100% blame 'nice guy Phil' for the death of Xbox. The thing to realise is the Xbox Series S & X are performing WORST in console sales and game sales than the much criticised Xbox One - how can this be?

His two big mistakes were 1-not developing enough exclusives and 2 - always trying to beat PlayStation. If he made more exclusives over his decade reign and not tried to 'win' then classic Xbox would still be here in a profitable third place. Instead he tried a series of different projects to win and he ended up ultimately destroying Xbox by changing its relationship with its most loyal customers. What did he do?

* Phil spent a decade only release new iterations of Halo, Forza and Gears and not investing in creating new first party studios and IP. He mishandled Scalebound and shutdown Lionhead Studios.

* Phil tried Mixer, a streaming channel that could be used to promote Xbox dominance with free giveaways...

* Phil tried to create a streaming service that he regarded as too superior to consider PlayStation and Nintendo as competitors! But would instead compete with Netflix and Google...

* But his worst mistake was Xbox Game Pass - a multi billion dollar investment that could only work if completely dominated the worldwide gaming market - but it didn't. Instead it changed the culture of Xbox gamers so they resented spending on third party games as they were now trained to expect everything for free. Now all the games Microsoft had invested so much in were not only NOT making money from other platforms, as ever, but they were now NOT EVEN making money from Xbox customers.

If Phil Spencer had just concentrated on making new games and not non-stop gimmicks to beat PlayStation, I genuinely believe the Xbox would be an attractive platform with regular exclusives like Halo but with others too that would give it its distinct identity and maintain a profitable existence. Phil's been in charge for over a decade, the blame lays at his feet.

amazinglover1h ago

Last MS financial results for FY24 Q2 which is the company's sales data through Dec. 31, 2023. According to the earnings, gaming revenue is up 49% year-over-year.

That doesn't sound like he flushing it down the toilet and that also makes very unlikely he loses his job any time soon.

crazyCoconuts50m ago

Revenue up due to acquisition... Spending 10s of billions for new companies of course revenue is up. They don't tell us profits but they wouldn't be shutting down these divisions if they were in the black. Pretty sure they're shifting so radically because their current state has been an abject failure

Scissorman26m ago

This is 100% due to Activision Blizzard. If that deal had not gone through, Xbox revenue would be flat, which means a game like Starfield failed to move the needle.

Tacoboto4h ago

Phil needs to go. His time is over. When you oversee layoff after layoff after studio closure after studio closure, it's impossible to keep going forward and have people - employees and fans alike - trust you in any way.

Especially after HiFi Rush hit their metrics. I guess we know what to expect for Ninja Theory next once Hellblade is out, and Machine Games once Indiana's out & Todd Howard focuses back on ES6.

mastershredder3h ago

It's not just Phil (Phil is just the dumb kid taking the money) and Kotaku is NOT the voice to listen to as shi7 sites like Kotaku helped contribute to modern gaming toxicity and disinformation. Kotaku staff = Much like Phil, and yes need to go.

Moegooner3h ago

MS has been posting record profits, you think they give a crap about games and gamers? Think again.

DOMination-3h ago

What a prat.

People gave him and Matt Booty the benefit of the doubt for a few years due to the mess they inherited but a decade on and all they've done is ruin gaming for everyone.

The only success they've had is MS Flight Simulator which was developed by a third party anyway - and Forza Horizon which by pure coincidence went downhill in quality the second Playground were acquired (imo) and that's all I can think of. Everything else they've touched has been ruined.

It's genuinely staggering how either of these two guys are still there.

Hofstaderman3h ago

Phil didnt even inherit a mess, he was equally responsible for it because he sat on the executive so the kinect and XBONE roadmap vision was also on him. Mattrick was the convenient public scapegoat back then but now theres no one to place the blame on.

Tacoboto3h ago

If they're to keep anyone, I'd hope it would be Sarah Bond. She's at least consistent, constantly doing quick tweets with green emojis where she can, repping the brand, saying the next hardware will be the biggest leap ever (whatever that means).

Phil Spencer openly minimizes Xbox by going out of his way to congratulate competitors and talking about how great playing non-Xbox devices are; if only Xbox had someone that could even pretend to like Xbox for being Xbox.

LoveSpuds3h ago

This is the point I always found frustrating, the whitewashing of Spencers reputation when he got promoted. He was involved in the slide into mediocrity of the 360 generation!

Aloymetal2h ago

The worse is yet to come and their fanbase don't know it yet, someone at MS posted and deleted a tweet saying all their main ''exclusives'' Halo, Forza, Gears etc will be heading to PS soon so grab a front seat ticket and some popcorn and enjoy the show;) The crying will be hilarious.

Notellin2h ago

Yeah he is absolutely responsible for the abysmal state of Xbox. I can't tell Mattrick and Spencer apart at this point. Both have been horrible executives for the Xbox brand.

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2024 Is A Chance At Redemption For Xbox & Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer

Xbox has been lagging behind PlayStation in terms of 1st party content, but 2024 offers the platform and Phil Spencer a chance at redemption.

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isarai32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

Nah, that time has passed for many, and with their words on future plans, i really don't see it ever happening.

shinoff218332d ago

It's a wrap. Now is the time they are slowly going to move on as to not to kill the base as is. Titles will slowly drip onto ps and Nintendo consoles, etc. Those 4 already had to of been in development for awhile already cause two of them released really soon after the announcement

VenomUK32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

There is no ‘last chance redemption’ for Phil Spencer - he’s going straight to hell for tanking the Xbox console platform.

_SilverHawk_32d ago

"2024 Is A Chance At Redemption For Xbox & Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer"

I thought that was supposed to be a decade ago

Ironmike31d ago

U do rel7se ps5 is at thr moment only getting g those titles that were mentioned nothing else as of yet

Obscure_Observer32d ago

"Nah, that time has passed for many, and with their words on future plans, i really don't see it ever happening."

Xbox has PLENTY of first party games this year while Playstation has none!

There´s more first party games from Xbox Games Studios on PS5 this year than Playstation Studios own games.

Those are the *facts* and if those facts is not something to Sony be ashamed of, they can´t feel shame at all.

VersusDMC32d ago

Granblue Fantasy versus, FF7REBIRTH, Helldivers 2, Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade will have launched on PS5 and not on Xbox by the time Hellblade 2 launches.

This only first party games count is cope.

And as a bonus meme...Microsoft will have published 3 first party games on PS5 (Hifi rush, Grounded and sea of thieves) before their first for the year on Xbox(hellblade 2). Glad they have their priorities straight...

lodossrage32d ago

It's funny when people like to say xbox has more games coming to playstation this year than sony does.

YET, they leave out the context that Microsoft literally bought the biggest (Activision) third party publisher and Bethesday (another big one). So congrats on having to buy giants in order to compete?

On topic, wasn't Starfield the "last chance" for redemption?

Am I to assume that if the games they have coming this year don't get positive, feedback then 2025 will be the year of redemption?

Obscure_Observer32d ago

@VersusDMC

"Granblue Fantasy versus, FF7REBIRTH, Helldivers 2, Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade will have launched on PS5 and not on Xbox by the time Hellblade 2 launches."

None of the games you mentioned are first party. None. There´re more Xbox first party games on PS5 this year then Playstation´s own first party games, undeniable fact!

The real bonus meme is Sea of Thieves a game which PS fanboys used to sh!t on

"And as a bonus meme...Microsoft will have published 3 first party games on PS5 (Hifi rush, Grounded and sea of thieves) before their first for the year on Xbox(hellblade 2). Glad they have their priorities straight..."

Imo, the real meme is Sea of Thieves, a 6 year Xbox first party game which diehard fanboys used to mock and sh!t on, making to the top of the most pre-ordered game at PS Store in a year where Playstation has zero first party games.

https://twitter.com/BenjiSa...

Markusb3332d ago

and all will end up on playstation, and nintendo, if xbox was doing amazing they would not need ps or nintendo, if gp was amazing they wouldnt need pc. PS has multiple first party games in development that we dont know about. Look at how halo was treated, look at redfall, and look at starfield. Its fine to be loyal and prefer one platoform but to be wilfully ignorant about it just ridiculas.

badz14932d ago

LOL se we are moving from "exclusives" to "console exclusives" to now only "1st party exclusives" matters just after MS has bought 2 publishers for $77B??

Moving goalpost to always favor MS i. Your argument is getting tiring! Exclusives are exclusives! 1st or 3rd party, they are still exclusives. You do remember the PS2 literally killed the Dreamcast, Gamecube and the first xbox due to mostly 3rd party exclusives, right?

InUrFoxHole32d ago

Observe is actually correct. Sony paid to play. But we don't mention when they do it. When they do it we're totally cool with it. N4G 4lyfe!

Skuletor32d ago

Are they still counted as first party though?

fr0sty32d ago

“This notion that Xbox can only be this one device that plugs into a television isn’t something we see in the Gen Z research. Because nothing else is like that for them.

Some of them will have an iPhone, some will have an Android, but all the games and everything is the same. I can still get to TikTok on both of them, at least for now." - Phil Spencer

Read it and weep... all Xbox games are coming to as many platforms as they can put them on, and this is the first step towards them getting out of hardware entirely, just like Sega did.

Xbox has been Dreamcast out of the industry. You can deny it all you like, but it's happening.

northpaws32d ago

@Obscure_Observer

You certainly have more faith in Xbox than Phil Spencer does, I will give you that.

rpvenom32d ago

It's actually quite impressive watching you defend xbox. I respect the loyalty

wiz719132d ago

@VersusDMC here yall Sony fans go moving the goalpost again lol now this only first party things is a cope when yall was the one who started that crap in the first place. When Sony had all the first party games and Xbox was relying on third party , yall was shouting they had no first party games. Now the tables turn and suddenly it’s a cope. lol

wiz719132d ago

@lodossrage and so it’s also funny that the majority of Xbox first party games this year aren’t coming from any of those big studios lol except for Indy .. the biggest one this year is coming from a studio that Sony left and almost let that studio die after releasing two big exclusives on their console first. Now MS swoop in and saved them , then here they are with the best looking game this generation. Now that’s ironic , but you mention buying studios like Sony biggest studios weren’t BOUGHT my brother.

Yall need to be more worried about Sony closing studio after studio , the PSVR 2 dying , Sony losing billions , and the fact that yall biggest game this year as in Stellar Blade was once being developed as a multi platform game until Sony paid for them to be a second party studio. lol but you want to mention things being bought , your delusional

Crows9031d ago

Shame in the competitor buying up tons of dev teams in order to make that a reality? Yeah...there's no shame in that on the PlayStation side....

andy8531d ago

So now you're shifting the goal posts so only first party exclusives count. Amazing 😂

Profchaos31d ago

There's probably tons of games exclusive to Xbox that won't be on PS because of their early access clause.

However list the games that count helldivers 2 I'd argue has done more for gaming this year than any other title will.
It could be their only game and it would still be a great year because it was that unexpectedly good even haters of love service games are playing it

TheTony31631d ago

Still at it? Doesn't matter at this point. The games will eventually launch on PS5.

mkis00731d ago (Edited 31d ago )

I see you ignored his" only first party games count" line as if preordained. Is it on xbox? No...then it is ammunition. Meanwhile sony gets to passively soak up 30% of all ms game studios sales.

1Victor31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

@obscured: “There´s more first party games from Xbox Games Studios on PS5 this year than Playstation Studios own games.

Those are the *facts* and if those facts is not something to Sony be ashamed of, they can´t feel shame at all.”
That says more about Xbox than PlayStation that they have to release games on rival consoles to stay afloat, Microsoft and YOU SHOULD NOT BE ASHAMED OF THAT FACT.

Edit After thought: it took Microsoft 6 years to finally fix their sea of bugs just in time to release it on PlayStation 🤷🏿

S2Killinit31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

On topic:
MS’s last chance was Starfield…
How many last chances are there?

@Osbscure
You’re moving the goal posts into places that have no basis in reality anymore.

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darthv7232d ago

Life is too short to hold onto grudges. Grudges against a console, game or company is just petty.

isarai32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

Has nothing to do with a grudge. Ive been waiting 12yrs for them to get back to their greatness, im done waiting and have moved onto just watching that ship sink as i play on literally every other platform

darthv7232d ago

^^... I still play on it, as well as the other platforms. Which is why I am not someone who dwells on the negativity like others do. there is always something for me to enjoy in this hobby.

isarai32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

@darth

Again, not dwelling on negativity, they legit haven't made anything i want to play since like gears 3 and halo reach. I did play Crackdown 3 and gears 5 cause i had hope given i was a huge fan of the older games, but that was a dud on both cases.

You're thinking it's way deeper than it is 🤣 make something worth playing and ill play it, i was hoping starfield would be that but again, dud.

darthv7232d ago

^^...I never said YOU were doing that... but its obvious others (here) do. Its all they seem to do is dwell on negativity, especially if its XB related. all im saying is there is more to enjoy than there is to complain about. And this is exactly why I play all the platforms instead of just one. You say you do the same... so just enjoy it.

neomahi31d ago

It's fanbots making their last stand in an attempt to save the Xbox, what more can one expect that the most optimism they've ever had. Xbox can't get a lock in Japan, still, and Europe is about to abandon it as well. What're you gonna do? And what happens IF Japanese generates interest? They'll see Europe losing interest and decide it's not worth it either. And it's not just Xbox, Microsoft as a whole is losing their footing. They've backed on subscriptions with everything they have to offer and it's tanking. Xbox needs to port to PlayStation and Nintendo while they can stay relevant and try to stay relevant, the longer they delay, we could see a complete Microsoft nose dive

S2Killinit31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

And you think MS fans are just dandy? Besides, is it a grudge if MS continues to give reasons for people to despise them?

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Markusb3332d ago

when you cant make enough from your own platform and pc and you have to go to ps and nintendo you know its a slow transition to 3rd party publishing, and that is fine. Xb never had the thurst or ambition after the 360

JackBNimble31d ago

The second they decided to put exclusives on the ps5 they blew any chance of redemption

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-Foxtrot32d ago

Even if they managed to get a win this year it dosent overthrow 10 years of mostly disappointments from Phil’s leadership.

RaidenBlack32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

Then this way, no company can redeem themselves. The very concept of redemption arc becomes impossible if the past is refused to be forgiven, even if the company manages to better themselves.
Then the now popular redemption arc of No Mans Sky or Phantom Liberty wouldn't exist in the gaming community if the same logic is also applied there.
Not defending anyone here but I want gaming to improve, companies to better themselves and most importantly competition to exist so that we get offered the best products to enjoy.
(I know in typical N4G fashion, this comment will be downvoted to oblivion, but I want good games offered from every studios irrespective of publishers.)

staticall32d ago

@RaidenBlack
IMO, what @-Foxtrot means, one years doesn't mean much. It's a start, yes, but they need more, much more.

Look at your own example, No Mans Sky - they didn't just release one patch and everyone started praising them, no. They've been doing this consistently. If Microsoft will start releasing good games consistently, that'll be great, no ifs and/or buts! But hyping them up in advance (no worthy releases yet is what i mean) - dunno, i might be wrong, but i don't think it's healthy or helps anyone.

rippermcrip32d ago

Your analogies are terrible. A company releasing a single game that failed to meet expectations.

Isn't the same as Phil Spencer making mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake, telling lie after lie after lie after lie for 10+ years.

isarai32d ago

Your whole comparison makes no sense. It literally took years for both of those to "redeem" themselves in the container of a single game. MS has been lacking for 12yrs starting with the halo/gears/forza criticism begining in the latter half of the 360. So even by YOUR logic, he's right, it's gonna take a lot more than one game to be redeemed ESPECIALLY after fumbling what many were already holding as their chance at redemption with starfield

Chevalier31d ago

It's not Playstation or Nintendos fault that Xbox poses no competition. They've had more support and more money behind them than Playstation and Nintendo combined!

You say you aren't defending Xbox, but, you kind of are. Xbox has been completely mediocre for decades. The last time Xbox was competitive was the 360 era. My 360 collection absolutely demolishes my Xbox One collection and so far Series X hasn't had much reason for me to jump to a purchase.

Can you honestly say Xbox is 'competitive'?! I would say not even close.

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Silly Mammo32d ago

With the gaming media, Xbox is always just one game away from redemption and success. It's willful ignorance that they think there's a 'magic bullet' that will somehow erase all the moves by Phil & the gang of the last 2 console generations.

"Well there's always next year!" Should be the official Xbox slogan

Chocoburger31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

100% this Mammo!

They've been screwing up for over a decade! Even if they release a game that's of the highest quality, that's nothing in the grand scheme things.

It also doesn't un-do Kinect (with lies based advertising).

Or Kinect 2 (forcing people to spend $100 extra for something they didn't even want!).

Or releasing two consoles with nothing noteworthy twice in a row (One X, Series S|X).

Or releasing unpolished games such as Re:Core, Sea of Thieves, Halo: MCC, Halo Infinite, Redfall, and Starfield.

Let's not forget canceling games as well such as Scalebound,Project Spark, and the Phantom Dust remake.

Finally let's remember the broken promises of vaporware games, languishing in development Hell, such as Perfect Dark, Fable, Everwild, what else am I forgetting?

Redemption is far far FAR AWAY for Microsoft. It'll take a full decade of only making smart pro-consumer decisions and releasing plenty of amazing games in order to make up for it all.

2024? It ain't gonna do squat on its own.

Rols32d ago

It was the same old story in 2020, 2021,2022 and 2023. XBox has never delivered this gen.

Brazz32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

Xbox360, the last time they delivered the goods, over 10 years Ago.

Skuletor32d ago

This headline just reminds me of the "wait 'til E3" comments we'd hear every year, before it was cancelled.

LG_Fox_Brazil32d ago

I wonder if the 2025's version of this article is already written, probably I would say

lodossrage32d ago

That's the same point I was trying to convey when I replied to Obscure

Hofstaderman32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

#wait till e3 2024

Aloymetal32d ago

''2024 Is A Chance At Redemption For Xbox & Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer''
We've been hearing and reading the same crap since the xbone launch, these shills/journos need to come up with something new. Good thing is most gamers know this is all BS, they all read ''"Step right up folks and hold out your money or sub to our service. You don't know what you are going to get, but like always, take our word for it" Signed Lord Phil.

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Phil Spencer blames capitalism for games industry woes.

Spencer said publicly traded companies have to show constant growth or else nobody will give them money. "I don't get [the] luxury of not having to run a profitable growing business"

LG_Fox_Brazil37d ago

I don't know Phil... You've being running, and some will say ruining, the Xbox brand for 10 years now, you know?

Profchaos36d ago

I'd say he'sade the best out of a tremendous cluster fk of a situation he was thrown into after Don tanked the Xbox brand from Kinect to the launch of the X1.

The only reason Xbox isn't in the Ms graveyard right now is because of Phil.

So I don't agree with everything he's done but I can see why these drastic pivots and moves have been made

VenomUK36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

You don’t hear Nintendo CEO Shuntaro Furukawa blame capitalism for the phenomenal success of the Switch.

You don’t hear now-departed PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan blame capitalism for the roaring success of the PS5.

Cockney36d ago

He was head of games back in don mattricks day so he should be held accountable for his involvement, the back half of the 360 gen and start of xbone lack of games was all him

Rynxie36d ago

The reason Xbox is not in the Ms graveyard is because of the money they are throwing around to keep the brand alive. Don was just a yes man, the stupidity of the Xbox one was MS doing.

romulus2336d ago

We are well past Don Mattrick at this point, people need to stop using that tired excsue. The issues with xbox for nearly the last ten years have been solely on Phil.

Plague-Doctor2736d ago

The PS3 tanked Sony and they recovered during the same generation. The Wii U tanked Nintendo and they delivered a record setting console only a few years later. At the launch of X1 it was keeping pace with the PS4 and in the US was occasionally beating it.

jwillj2k436d ago (Edited 36d ago )

All he had to do was say “the way forward is to make great games.”, drop the mic and make it happen by any means necessary. If you listen to the interview he gave after redfall came out, you’ll hear him say he thought the game was good to go and the internal team rated the game 85 out of 100. 85!! This shows how out of touch he is. He’s literally an empty vessel just collecting his check, running the division off of data-driven analytics, he doesn’t care about xbox and now pulls a Trump, blaming the clouds for his failures.

Cacabunga36d ago

Says the biggest capitalist company.. this moron should stop talking

sinspirit36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

No.. Phil was in charge of European studios and Kinect implementation since 2008. Those European studios he was in charge of were then full time Kinect developers as he was now in charge of all XBox game studios in 2010. This is why game quality has sucked ever since he was in charge and directly why the legendary Lionhead and the actual Rare devs are not there anymore. Phil is actually more to blame than anyone for the bad game quality and the Kinect push. And especially for the terrible XBox One launch.

He was the spearhead implemented employee for Kinect and Microsoft's new vision. The others were the talking heads appointed by XBox. And, honestly watching some of those old interviews it seemed like those XBox employees were possibly maliciously complient by telling exactly what Microsoft's new agenda was with Kinect and always online without dressing it up.

And directly on topic. No, Phil. Capitalism is voting with your wallet. XBox doing bad financially is in fact because of bad products, disappointments, failed deadlines, and especially lying, misleading, and broken promises for products. If you just released really good games and tried to innovate then you'd had a lot of sales.. oh and GamePass is losing out on a ton of sales which can not be recovered from a few microtransaction purchases, monthly sub costs, or even whales. The math is simple when you could have sold a $70 game 5 million times but instead maybe sold 1 million tops and now have to recoup a quarter billion of revenue from lost sales potential of the one title alone. But now you also don't want to release a lot of first party titles because of the direct loss in sales revenue from day 1 GamePass, and you don't want them to release really good games that take a little more time and money to make because you want them to be cost effective for GamePass release. So you intentionally plan to release a lot of AAA shortcomings at this point because the AAA badge is needed but you can't do it too well or GamePass will never actually profit. Even though they had said GamePass is profitable, it is absolutely not by much and never will be. And, they said that Zune was profitable a long time ago but they combined it with an entire category of products when Zune itself was bleeding money. They lose far too many direct sales that even the most generous math can not see how they could be making much money if any at all to make up for this business practice. This is what happens when marketing and trend chasing fool a business into pursuing the wrong thing to stay relevant when the clear answer all along was that they always did good when they just supported developers making genuinely full and good games.

Babadook736d ago (Edited 36d ago )

I kind of agree with you, but Phil is partly to blame.

I blame Peter Moore (for leaving). Everything went to pot soon after.

PapaBop35d ago

How many years ago was this now? I'll give him some credit for what he inherited but lets be honest, he hasn't exactly done anything praise worthy and has done a terrible job managing the studios Microsoft owns.

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Eonjay36d ago

I thought he said it was Gen Z. I can't keep up.

Hofstaderman36d ago

Its Gen Z who are extremely capitilist. Lol, Phil is a clown of note.

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fr0sty36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

He's kinda right, shareholders expect constant growth, which is unsustainable, but it is what they expect nonetheless. That's why, even though the games industry is healthy as it has ever been, because it isn't growing, everyone in the industry is panicking. Even though we're still selling just as many consoles as ever, they expect each generation to just keep on growing and growing, and when that doesn't happen, they start to freak out.

This is true of any industry, and it's why anytime a company goes public, their products usually end up going to shit. The shareholders expect more and more and more growth, cuz they want that stock price to keep climbing, and so eventually corners start getting cut, wages start getting cut, employees start getting cut, they start cutting away everywhere they can to try to squeeze a little bit more money out of the product, until they ruin it, and then they move on to the next product.

buffig36d ago

Yeah, but everyone knows how capitalism works. This part didn't need explaining. The problem is that they bought massive plublishers for a gazillion dollars, to the detriment of the industry and now he's acting like he has no choice but to fire thousands of people because he just found out about nasty capitalism

TheEnigma31336d ago

Why I'm glad companies like Valve stayed private.

SyntheticForm36d ago

He'd never blame himself, so he's trying to score points with the kids by blaming capitalism. One of the biggest capitalists is blaming capitalism for his and Xbox's failure.

fr0sty35d ago

I agree with you, which is why I said he's "kinda" right... he's right in the fact that capitalism is behind a lot of investors freaking out that the games industry, while still healthy, is not continually growing unsustainably, but he's also being hypocritical in the same breath after buying half the industry and then laying off thousands of them, and using his own business practices as an excuse to cover for his failures.

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mandf37d ago

It won't be until halo and gears are on playstation that xbox fans see phil for who he is. A snake fighting only for himself. The video game industry means nothing to him just his paycheck to those who believe phil is passionate and loves video games you are part of the problem. You never hold ms accountable.

Minute Man 72137d ago

Halo and Gears only when Microsoft drops outta the console market

-Foxtrot37d ago

They don't need to drop out of the market for that to happen

They will always have some kind of console going forward but Halo and Gears could only be a few years away at this rate.

Next gen might look completely different

Tacoboto36d ago

I'd actually hope for Halo to come to PS and Nintendo at this point.

The community rejected a mictotransaction option so MCC is no longer maintained - no new revenue streams and Microsoft listened. Infinite is on Content Updates now instead of Seasons - dwindling playerbase and less excitement. If MS wants the franchise to thrive, that's free money and the same could essentially be said for Gears bringing them abroad.

FinalFantasyFanatic36d ago

@Tacoboto,
To be fair, Halo Infinite had a rocky start to begin with, I think they improved for a while, but fell behind again.

shinoff218336d ago

The writings on the all in huge fking letters. Just read it.

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phoenixwing37d ago

I don't blame Phil for that in the slightest. If you were offered to be an executive of a company 9 out of 10 ppl would take the job for the salary and give little crap about how they feel about any given product they sell. He's not wrong that capitalism drives greedy companies but you have to take the good with the bad.

staticall36d ago

@phoenixwing
But the person is doing a bad job and the company (including customers) are suffering because of that, how can you not blame him? The reason for high paying is the decisions you make and the responsibility you take for your actions steering the company in the right direction (if company is doing bad, it's your fault; if company is doing good, it's because of your decisions).

It reminds me of that South Park Bill Owens parody ("Follow that egg" episode), a governor who wants all the money and recognition/respect, but doesn't want to take any responsibility, how backwards is that?!

Petebloodyonion36d ago

@Staticall
Agree but what are your metrics for doing a bad job?
Is Microsoft's share value tanking due to its decision?
Is brand awareness worse than in 2016?

As someone who works in investment, this is how I see it and why Spencer's still around.
1) Grow the Xbox brand awareness by including PC and Gamepass making it a stronger brand by name versus 2015.
2) Showed a plan to evolve profitability by having multiple sources of recurrent income with Gamepass, PC gaming, streaming, and now other platforms
3) made new market integration possible via PC and cloud.
4) Can make hard decisions for the good of the company like cutting jobs.

staticall35d ago

@Petebloodyonion
I would say, we shouldn't look at Microsoft themselves, they have a ton of revenue streams - Windows sales, hardware sales, Office sales, Azure, government contracts, certification programs, etc. We need to look at Xbox - hardware sales are in decline (Xbox 360 > Xbox One > Xbox Series S + X combined). GamePass subscribers aren't growing enough and, according to the Microsoft docs, are at plateau. Games sales are abysmal (both physical and digital, thanks to "Day one on GamePass"). Xbox exclusives doesn't exist anymore (every game is coming to PC). And it didn't start yesterday, this was happening for a long-long time.

In my eyes, brand recognition doesn't mean much, if it doesn't translate to console sales, because Phil took away every reason to buy Xbox console for a regular customer (i used to own Xbox 360 and saw 0 reasons to own Xbox One or Xbox Series).

I would also argue that he didn't make any hard decisions, at least when it comes to games: Crackdown 3, Redfall, Halo Infinite - he was saying that those games are looking fine only to be laughed at on presentation/release. But i would consider that a low blow, because he did cut some jobs. But not from top management (who are responsible for the decisions).

In my eyes, as a console owner/gamer, doing good job as a platform holder = supporting your console with high quality exclusive games (like Nintendo and Sony are doing). I'm fine with releasing the games afterwards on PC, but not right away (otherwise, what's the point of a console?!). Extra services are fine (like PS+ or GamePass, or cloud stuff), but they wouldn't be a reason to buy a console for me. Phil is overfocusing on extra services, not on games. And it doesn't work out and haven't worked out for what, 10 years already? Sorry, i feel like i'm rambling at this point.

Nooderus36d ago

He's a Microsoft executive. Duh

S2Killinit36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

Agree except I think the real snake is MS itself. They are a terrible company. This clown is just the hired man for the job.

phoenixwing36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

Thats basically what I'm trying to say and if you really want to get down to it. It's the board of directors for the company who makes this stuff happen.

jznrpg36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

@Phoenixeing it’s his job as the head of the division to tell those people I think you are wrong and for success we need to this - that’s literally his job. MS motto is a big problem and Phil going a long with it is also his fault. He’s the one guy who can say something.

Abear2136d ago

Agreed they are the problem.

M$ doesn’t care about the quality of the game, they care about the profitability of the game.

When you work for a Co. like M$ you know this. It’s all about money—not the “art” or what’s healthy in the industry for devs and/or the consumers.

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M3talDiamond37d ago

First its Gen Z now its capitalism but we can all agree that it definitely isn't Phil

JackBNimble36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

If it wasn't for capitalism there would be no xbox or Microsoft for that matter. But as the head of xbox division it is his responsibility no matter good or bad .... that's what it means to be the boss. If that's to much for him, then he needs to resign.

-Foxtrot37d ago

Kind of funny because when it comes to capitalism Microsoft is one of those great big American companies that just screams it.

They spent billions on Minecraft, Zenimax and Activision yet couldn't afford to save all those jobs they cut. With the money they make within a year they could have, someway.

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FinalFantasyFanatic36d ago

They've been swallowing up a lot of AI companies too and spending big on that area.

S2Killinit36d ago

If MS gets into AI they will cause the end of humanity the way they are causing the end of console gaming.

FinalFantasyFanatic35d ago

@S2Killinit,

It's between Microsoft and Google, the chances are one of those two will take the AI crown considering the amount of cash they're throwing at that sector. I suppose Microsoft might be the worst out of the two, but Google hasn't been exactly great compared to the old days when they threw around their old adage of "do no evil".

Silly Mammo36d ago

MS is making millions of dollars annually with the Xbox brand. Unfortunately, they're spending billions on acquisitions too

8bitAssassin36d ago

Game Pass games are not free.

Christopher36d ago

He also blames his bank account balance on capitalism.

PhillyDonJawn36d ago

I don't think it work like that. MS is the parent company. The branch has its own budget to maintain.

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thorstein37d ago

Making millions, taking million dollar salaries and bonuses but it's the dev in the chair that's preventing profit?

Yeah okay, Phil.

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